THE DAY BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER DIED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Buffy The Vampire Slayer brought new life to the undead. Making vampires the topic of conversation in the 90s. It was less Dracula and more The Lost Boys meets Degrassi.
The series gave us characters we loved in Buffy , Angel , Spike , and Willow ---
But it also killed off series favorites.
Gave us unimpressive newer replacements.
Turned good guys into big bads.
While there was a prolonged rise, there was a swift fall.
Tara's Death.
Dark Willow.
Spike " seeing red "
There were a lot of contributing factors to the downfall of the Slayer.
That's why today we're going to look back at the day Buffy died.
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Season 6 is my favorite season. I felt like it did an amazing job depicting depression. It helped me get through my first bout of depression when I was told I was too young to know what depression was. As someone who has had psychotic breaks and having a hard time figuring out what’s reality and what’s not I actually really loved it being depicted in the mental hospital episode. It’s easy to see it as unrealistic if you’ve never dealt with that… especially when reality is the worst option in your mind… I think these mental health struggles need to be shared and I admire BTVS for doing a concept season while still keeping overall series continuity. I love season 6 forever. I don’t think I would he alive without it to be honest.
hated 6 with a passion
@@StewNWT Season 7 is much worse with all the annoying potentials especially Rhona and Kennedy.
Once More With Feeling FTW!
I like season 6
As an avid Buffy fan who rewatched all seasons many times... yeah! Season 6 for the win :) I'm annoyed by all the people hating season 6 and acting as if it was clearly the worst season or something... man, like or dislike what you want, but don't tell me you know how "bad" a season or episode was because by now Buffy is literally a science and there will never be consensus about anything among us fans :D and that's how I like it :) just as long as we agree that there are always other opinions among us and they are just as valid :)
We all experience this show so differently. To me, things don’t start getting interesting until after high school is over.
Same. I love the high school years, but the real show starts at season 5
Same
Absolutely
4-6 are my favorite part of the series. Season 2 is also pretty great. Honestly, don't like 7 very much.
yeah season 6 is top 2 for me
Homie completely misunderstood literally every aspect of season 6
Exactly!
Season 6 was fuckin shit
@@flowerchild8450 I am sorry for you and anyone else who feels that way. Some people aren't cut out for shows that go deeper than "kill monster"
@@nickmandl my problem with it wasn’t that it was going deeper than “kill monster” lol it was that the writing was atrocious.
@@flowerchild8450 as has everything been since season 7, thats when Buffy the story died. when the show did. we should be happy we got that far, considering not even an audiobook can last a season, or just be buffy without some hidden agenda.
Hey Wesley might’ve only been on Buffy for a few episodes but bringing him on for Angel created the greatest character arc I’ve seen on TV. His character out grew so many.
Wesley and Cordelia had the best character development once they left Buffy.
Agreed! Wesley had one of the greatest character developments I've ever seen. When I occasionally rewatch Buffy, I'm always surprised at how goofy a character Wesley was. His character arc throughout Angel was incredibly well done.
I would urge people to watch the entirety of Angel just for Wesley’s character development.
I rewatch Buffy for various reasons, depending on my mood - but when I rewatch Angel, it’s for Wesley.
Even though it’s extremely depressing. It’s very well done.
I'm thinking of doing an experiment where I first show someone a scene of Wesley from Buffy Season 3, then show that person the scene of Wesley having Justine in his closet, and then tell them this is the exact same character, just to get the reaction.
A couple of counters:
While there were characters who came and went with the seasons, the core group remained stable through the entire run: Buffy, Willow, Xander, and Giles, who did leave the series for most of Season Six, due the preferences of Anthony Stewart Head.
The Season Four finale did have links to both the past season(s) and the season following. (On a personal note, I enjoy Season Four - none of the seasons was perfect - nothing is - but each of the seasons, even the weaker ones, had some excellent episodes, and each of them also had episodes that experimented and/or played with concepts).
Tara did not spend most of Season Five in a magic-induced daze. In a season of 22 episodes, her daze lasted from the last section of Episode 19 to around end of midpoint of Episode 22.
I would disagree with your argument about the lowering of stakes and disregard as well as repeated tropes in resurrecting Buffy, as the dangers are specifically noted and ignored by Willow especially, and 99% of the season deals with Buffy's reaction to being pulled back into the living world. Far from ignoring and disregarding, Season Six explores and questions the consequences and stakes. Do they do it perfectly? No, of course not. Do they pull away from the questions, though? Again, no. We've already seen an attempt to resurrect Joyce and why it was a nightmarish idea. We see that resurrecting Buffy was also a bad idea, at least all the way to the very last moments of the season, and this is why so many of the characters are portrayed "negatively".
I do agree about the "Seeing Red" moment: if they wanted to show what Spike still was, there could have been other ways to do so.
She says specifically that there was no pain, and no sense of anything except peace. She never says anything about having spent time with lost loved ones.
The actor is Anthony Stewart Head, not Anthony Rupert Hall. Rupert is the first name of the character Giles.
I am disagreement about "the Buffy you knew and the Buffy you didn't want to know": I personally found the Season Six Buffy intriguing and complicated; the Buffy of previous seasons could also have traits that made her less than perfect and sometimes a cause of impatience (for me). It contributed to her humanity in this eccentric environment, and for me Season Six was really no different in that regard. That goes for Willow and the other characters.
I agree with the handling of Dawn in Season Six, and Season Seven.
The moment between Anya and Spike is not planned or deliberate on the part of either character: both are frustrated, feeling deserted and unloved. It's a desperate reaching out for connection on the part of both.
The Big Bad for Season Six, as Whedon suggested, is life itself. In terms of a tangible Big Bad, it's Willow, who starts her path to that title in Episode 1 of the season. Willow is not, and never had been only light hearted. From our first moment meeting her, she presents a core of insecurity, and a tendency to dislike herself. We note that she depends deeply on the very few people who are friends with her. We learn that her mother is distant and lacks empathy for her daughter. Far from being a cheat, Dark Willow is an organic outcome of the previous seasons, hinted at even in the fun and excellent "Doppelgangland".
I do not say Season Six was bad. I say it was difficult, but purposefully so. I agree portions of the development of character and plot were rushed; that the impetus for Spike to leave town was not managed well, and that the character of Dawn lost focus. I do not agree that the various targets for each main character development was wrong, off-track or unreasonable, or that Season Six was a failure. For me, the only season that approaches "failure" was Seven.
I do not agree that there is nothing in "Buffy" worth watching after Season Five. Therefore I disagree with your premise.
Buffy is a dumb teen drama. Angel has so much more depth.
@@ktowniecity7269 That may be true, and it probably is. But it was a well-written and well-acted dumb teen drama with some very good, strong moments. By the same token, "Angel" was a noir rip-off with a standard-issue broody hero, but it was also well-written and well-acted.
Great comment. Totally agree.
I wish that they had built the Dark Willow storyline better. The narcissistic drug addict who loses control after the loss of a loved one, only to return to their former self and 😂 sensibilities, 😂 all because of a crayon, didn’t really work for me. It felt cheap. I was hoping for a well crafted story that built on all the groundwork that was already present for Willow. Shy, insecure, often bullied Willow became more confident in the later seasons but she still had scars and self doubt.
Excessive use of magic as a metaphor for drug abuse was cheesy. Addiction is an illness, and grief can push someone into a downward spiral. It’s not a free pass for Willow to skate the same way Angel did as Angelus. He wasn’t really the one doing the evil, it was just a demon wearing his face. How the writers approached Willow using magic in the later seasons was very disappointing. After they created Dark Willow it was like they had written her into a corner and had no idea what to do with her character, so she became a pale imitation of who she once had been. I just wish that they had let her own her actions, and created a complex character who was capable of many things and struggled to find balance.
@@MusicRainfield I'd argue that the crayon isn't the thing that brings her back. Xander chose that story to recall former child Willow out any number from their shared life in Sunnydale. What brings her back is Xander's refusing to back down when she attacks him, and keeps repeating that he loves her. That's what does it.
I agree that the addiction analogy is not well handled, but Willow's descent into what she becomes at the end of Season Six can easily be traced from Season One, where we see the core insecurity in her; the often-blind approach to that insecurity from her friends; the reliance on magic that begins to rear its head as early as Season Three; and the essential loneliness Willow experiences in her life, which means that people leaving her is more frightening and heart wrenching than it is for other people.
It's different from Angel/Angelus, and I don't think you can draw as many parallels between him/them and Willow/Dark Willow as you might think you could.
I do agree with you that Season Seven Willow, after her return to Sunnydale, is not developed well, but that's a consequence of the decision to bring in the Potentials, which caused a lag in the development of most of the core characters. We do see that Willow is afraid of herself ... true to form, actually, though for different reasons now, and she needs to overcome them for the big showdown finale. I agree it wasn't elegantly handled in Season Seven, but the outline of what should have been an organic end arc is there.
13:48 Anya sleeping with Spike had nothing to do with Xander and was in no way an attempt to hurt him. Anya herself states “that wasn’t vengeance, it was solace”. She never even knew he would find out. Xander of course made it all about him because he’s an ass.
I won't deny that Xander is a Bunghole, but even though it was solice, would you expect Spike to keep that to himself and not rub it in Xander's face?
@@a-man2530I seriously doubt Spike would’ve ever mentioned it to Xander. Simply because it would hurt Anya..
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 And he wouldn't have wanted Buffy to know.
He really got that wrong. Anya was broken and reached out to someone for comfort. She wasn't trying to hurt Xander.
I always forget that buffy has the most cucks per capita than any other fan bases
It's been stated multiple times that characters cannot return because you cannot tamper with the laws of nature. Giles literally said this at the beginning of the season, and even Buffy’s response to returning was that of pain because she was peacefully in heaven but has now returned to hell feeling the sorrow, which connects to Angel S2, which confirms why Buffy was feeling as such.
There's also the bit in Villains where Willow tries to bring Tara back. She doesn't have the urn and it's mentioned that it only worked for Buffy because she died through mystical means.
When he mentioned that I couldn't help but wonder if he'd actually watched the show. He even asked the question why did they not bring back Joyce - an entire episode was devoted to that very topic!
i mean i don't know what the spin is, because i'm not paying to listen to it, but around the time of your comment, there was an audiobook season released containing at least 3 dead buffy members, and the demo you can listen to sets it in current times so i don't know what any of them would be voicing.
Spike's trademark coat cost $2,000 from a top fashion store. It was then run over repeatedly by a truck to give it that distressed look.
James Marsters only read the scripts for his own scenes, as he was a fan of the show and didn't want to have the rest of the episode spoiled for him.
Series creator Joss Whedon has said that the idea for Buffy came from all the horror movies he had seen featuring a helpless young blonde who would almost always be the first to die. He felt she needed a better image.
Angel was originally conceived as nothing more than a weird guy who occasionally showed up to give Buffy vague advice. There were several ideas for his true identity tossed around, including that he was an actual angel who needed to complete a certain number of good deeds before being allowed back into Heaven, before his being a vampire was decided on literally while writing the episode with the reveal.
Seth Green disliked being underutilized in season three, as he hated having to show up for work when he'd only have one or two lines the whole time. This is why Oz is absent midway through season four.
Joss Whedon wanted to increase paranoia by making the vampires look like normal humans until it's time to feed and they transform into monsters. He wanted them to very clearly look like monsters though to ensure a certain level of fantasy on the show. It took 1 hour and 20 minutes to apply the facial prosthetic and just as long to remove it after filming.
Alyson Hannigan is very good friends with singer Pink whose daughter is named Willow. After her birth, Hannigan praised her name choice on Twitter.
The cast hated the library scenes, since they were full of exposition and took forever to film. They all celebrated when it blew up.
Ranked #10 on Entertainment Weekly's list of the "100 Greatest Shows of All Time."
Sarah Michelle Gellar's favorite episodes were The Prom (1999), Hush (1999), and The Body (2001).
Sarah Michelle Gellar was unable to attend the wrap party, as she was busy filming Scooby-Doo (2002).
There are just seven episodes in which no vampire appears. They are Witch (1997), The Pack (1997), I, Robot... You, Jane (1997), The Puppet Show (1997), Inca Mummy Girl (1997), Living Conditions (1999), and Fear Itself (1999). In the other ones, even when there are no vampire foes, there's always Angel, or Spike. Or both.
The series is not based on the feature film Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992), but Joss Whedon's original screenplay, which had been heavily re-written to be more comedic. The Buffy comic book series adapted the screenplay, bringing the events of the movie in-line with the television show's continuity.
Sarah Michelle Gellar disliked season six, because of the dark tone of the storylines. She also wasn't a fan of the extensive preparation that had to be done for Once More, with Feeling (2001).
Spike's birth name William Pratt is also the birth name of iconic horror actor Boris Karloff.
In Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992), Buffy says that her only life goals are to "graduate, go to Europe, marry Christian Slater, and die." Although Joss Whedon has repeatedly stressed that the movie should not be considered "canon" for the television show, by the end of it, Buffy actually accomplishes three of these goals, graduate, go to Europe, and die, although, not in that order.
Buffy's full name is "Buffy Anne Summers". This was explained in Anne (1998), where Buffy said Anne is her middle name.
Before he was turned into a vampire, Spike's name was William. Angel's real name was Liam.
I agree that the potential Slayers was probably a misused plotline I really like the whole concept of Spike getting his soul back in the consequences of that for him
No, Angel was a good series. Buffy was a GREAT series. You started off with a misstep. Dying? S1/E12 was the first time. S5/E22 the second time. After that, still alive, although there was one brief drowning. Season 4 was a mess, but it was NOT a retelling of Frankenstein's Monster. You are missing the issue that happened with the "big bad" villain bowing out, requiring major rewrites.
Season 5 ended as it did because it closed a major arc. I have the tee shirt! But the final two seasons were still very good. We got a Musical! And it provided a great episode.
Also, Joyce did come back, briefly, before Dawn tore up the picture. Spike did come back in "Angel". Angel came back in Buffy S3. You strike me as a casual viewer.
@@tvguy61 Professor Walsh was the big bad originally, but the actress quit mid season.
@@tvguy61 - As well as Professor Walsh leaving, Seth Green (Oz) asked to be let out of contract as well. So they had two major characters abruptly leave the show in season 4 and had to scramble to do rewrites.
I agree that the writer of this video seemed like a casual viewer. He made multiple errors throughout the video, and didn't seem to understand any of the themes of the show. He even disliked it' humour! (I must admit, I LOVED the humour in Buffy!)
Every season has its flaws, and I respect that every fan has seasons they prefer. But to write off Seasons 4-7 unequivocally is so narrow-minded. Buffy's death in Season 5 is far from "breezed past." It literally takes a whole season for to get over it. Most of your criticism of Season 6 is just "It's different than the high school seasons." Shows can and should change. That's the show's greatest strength. In another world, Buffy would have stayed in high school for 7 years, with the same characters, fighting the same villains, and having the same problems. There are hundreds of shows like that - take any procedural or old sitcom. If that's what you want, put on one of those. But don't box a TV show into the corner because you want it to be unchanging. Truly one of the worst takes I've ever heard about this show.
I absolutely loved vampire Willow in "The Wish"!
I have to disagree with the read of Anya vis a vis her hookup with Spike. It didn't come off like her seeking revenge, it was two brokenhearted people commiserating over their wounds and then seeking comfort and distraction physically. Plus, Anya was single at the time. Recently dumped. By Xander. She did nothing wrong here; Xander is the schmuck in this scenario (and most scenarios, if we're being honest). He left her at the altar, blew up their relationship, and then had the nerve to act like HE was the aggrieved party, throwing a viscious verbal tantrum. I will admit that Xander is my least favorite character, but I never hated him more than I did in that moment.
Also, Buffy had no reason to be mad either. She'd ended things with Spike.
Accusing Anya of sleeping with Spike only to hurt Xander is the wrong take and kind of a gross perspective to have? Didn't hear anything about Spike doing anything wrong there, or Xander going way too far in his verbal assault on her. Hmmm I wonder why that could be... 🙄
It's strange that this review is saying that season 5 was intended as a series finale, when so many people from the show have said that every single season was viewed as the last season, as they were never sure if they'd get another one. And that continued right up until after Angel, season 5, when they got... oh... yeah... right... sorry.
@@tvguy61 I'd agree with that, but Buffy also forgave Angel pretty quickly after he killed Jenny Calendar. And dear god yes, Kennedy was too soon. I actually liked Kennedy, I just didn't like her and Willow becoming an item after five minutes. The potentials were sadly a mistake. They wanted a big battle at the end and needed soldiers, when, something more akin to the student body against the Mayor could have worked, just the town against the First Evil. But hindsight...
@@Christopher_Vose
Kennedy just came across as a "Queen bee" character. Her character was a horrible person that never becomes a better/redeemable person and actually likes how horrible she is. She never redeems herself and is the biggest example of what happens when you give the powers of a Slayer to the WRONG type of person. She even instigated the mutiny against Buffy and turned Buffy's friends/family against her and kicked her out of her own house in the midst of an apocalypse.
@@Christopher_Vose
They don't even use Kennedy as a foil to Buffy or Faith. Kennedy was also responsible for one of the potentials killing themselves due to her brutal militaristic attitude.
This happened twice as a girl from Kennedy's previous school also killed herself because of Kennedy's mistreatment of her.
@@Christopher_Vose
The worst thing about Kennedy is that no one calls her out on her behavior.
@@Christopher_Vose The whole town coming together to stop the first after all the years of family and friends being killed or going missing would have been great. And the only seasons that seem like they were written to be series finals to me are the odd seasons. Seasons 2,4,and 6 feel more like season finals.
Heartily disagree. Season 6 was one of the best. It is definitely a tonal shift from earlier seasons, but that is intentional and indeed expected. The earlier seasons were metaphors for trials and problems faced by teenagers still in the process of growing up, but season 6 was all about the problems of trying to be an adult. There were deep issues that were well addressed and amazingly well acted. Buffy's funk that lasted through much of the beginning of the season is one of the best on-screen depictions of clinical depression I have ever seen, and even as she comes out of it many of her challenges were just trying to deal with the mundane realities of adult life. It is so well done. I get it that it is your opinion, but it seems you completely missed the point. Season 6 is where the show grew up.
I kinda liked not so much season 4 as a whole but Spike explaining Yoko Ono and the Beatles to Adam. It's a memorable telling for me personally.
I never knew willow and Wesley were married in real life
Love how Their initials connected
Willow-welsey
Allison-Alexis
What’s even weirder is Tara & Warren dated irl
The Trio were good, they were human monsters. Also the episode with Riley returning helped to get Buffy back on track, the Scooby Gang weren't kids anymore, the Hellmouth is corrupting for adults. You have to learn to live with failure and bad choices
I honestly really love season 6 because of the whole Dark!Willow plot
Season 6 is my favourite season
I love season 6 but I agree with Vee that Dark!Willow is a let down. I feel like she’s too quippy for the grief she’s experiencing.
@@folkloreuh - I always felt that the quippyness was because Willow couldn't stand the extreme pain she was feeling. So she allowed the darkness to swallow her, and that stifled her emotions. She couldn't feel the emotions that make us human, such as love and empathy - she was all about vengeance. And quipping to others was like a cat playing with a mouse before she eat it. Just my humble opinion! :)
I'm sure someone has mentioned this, but just in case, Rupert Giles was played by Anthony Stewart Head, often known as Tony Head, and not 'Anthony Rupert Hall' as stated in the video.
I was about to say this. A little less politely, haha.
That was one of very many errors in this video!
Season 6 is my favorite! I love the dark direction, Dark Willow is my favorite big bad, and the trio are both fun and frightening. My only issue was the Buffy/Spike relationship which I never liked or bought.
Eh I never thought of it as a real relationship, it was just an extremely toxic temporary thing.
@@minuette1752 She was cutting herself and Spike was the knife.
@@Argonnosi - Well put!
I wished they had given Spike and Buffy a chance to be together outside of sex but that bathroom scene really made me realize that the writers were done trying to make it a thing. It felt out of character even with him being evil. Him trying to kill her and her friends, yeah I can see that but the assault??? They should have done something else if they wanted to destroy relationship potential and remind us that he's evil.
Why is it out of character? It wasn't about the sex itself (as rape often isn't) but is about trying to prove to Buffy that she loves him. This is very much in line with his behaviour in Crush.
Does anyone remember people can change that spike the whole thing? He saved the world
Think about it like a BDSM relationship. How many times did those 2 have sex / make out, whatever that started with Buffy saying "eww, NO"? Spike was simply too twisted up to recognize that THIS "No" was sincere.
Buffy is still my fav show of all time
It's really hard to say a show "died" when they, then follow it up with one of the best seaons of the show.
Season 6, although very sad and difficult to watch at times, was my favourite. I was surprised to hear him tear it apart so much.
Honestly I think season 6 is one of the better seasons; and the whole season is largely about why both bringing people back from death AND using the powerful magics involved is NOT a good idea.
I do think “Seeing Red” handled a lot wrong; and while we needed to get both Spike and Willow where they ended up at the episode end; the writers didn’t understand the gravity of what they were playing with. That episode needed work.
Watching the team of potential slayers and the original gang kick Buffy out reminded me of when they did it in The Arrow. It felt so out of place, it didn't feel justified and it was frustrating to see an opinion I disagreed with being supported by the majority of the characters. I didn't like those scenes in both shows, but then again, I never liked the newer Arrow team members, so I might have been a bit biased there.
This feels like it was made by someone who binged the show one time in order to make a youtube video about it. Lots of factual errors and a very surface-level "was also playing with my phone at the same time I was watching" sort of read on season 6 and the characters.
That train wreck of a season 7 is purportedly better than season 6? 😂 Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
I think 7 is better for sure.
7 isn’t a train wreck but yea
Season 3 was my favorite and was when i felt it was at it's peak. I struggled through season 4 and 5 and was completely offput by season 6 it was middlingly better for 7 but like you stated i think it should have ended with season 5.....so please do give us your take on it's finale.
season 6 is actually great, same with season 7. Who cares what the majority thinks, season 6 was wonderfully dark and different and the first evil and season 7's finale was badass.
garbage opinion of garbage show
while I can get behind many of these points, S6 never had a "big bad". Not even Spike going to his absolute worst for a single episode. Not Dark Willow. Not even Warren. S6 is about dealing with death, loss, the pains of growing up. The gang was not ready to live without Buffy. Spike was not ready to be full on good. The Trio were nerds who were unable to let the highschool days pass and their cosplaying turned out super wrong because they were lead by the pervert mess called Warren. Willow basically became cool through "drug" abuse from S4 and let magic consume her because it was a way to leave her nerdy side. She falls down and then goes on a complete rampage without a beloved person to help and contain her. Which turns out to be Xander in the end after Giles let her basically absorb a counterspell to her own powers
The big bad is real life! I love this season and all it stands for.
In the final seasons there are lots of amazing memorable scenes in otherwise dodgy forgettable episodes. There are too many episodes set mostly in Buffy's house, including one where they cannot leave the house. It gets rather repetitive, especially for binge watching.
Budget limitations probably.
Seriously? Imo Buffy never died. It has fans to this day and students still write essays about it. Season 4 had a superb selection of top notch stories in it. Man, did you even watch this show properly? lol
I don't think he did. He made multiple mistake in the video (wrong names, wrong facts, incorrect statements about the show, etc.). If he did actually watch it, it doesn't seem like he really paid attention.
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697 Agreed.
So, after listening to this I remember some of the last few seasons and....what I don't understand is why they didn't bring in the Principle/Son of the Slayer character to be a main part of Season 6. That story would have had soooo much more symbolic meaning following the death and resurrection of Buffy and the departure of Giles...it would have made soo much sense for that Character to play a pivitol role, especially given Spike's behavior in 6 compared to 7. What a missed oppurtunity.
Season 6 was essential because it showed that every single one of us is flawed, even heroes and demons. Every other show would just end on Buffy's sacrifice and not dare to think about the consequences or the grief that was left afterwards. I think it was a very bold and brave season. We all suffer and deal with grief, depression, rejection (and even finances) in such different ways that I think it's actually amazing that they we're able to express that in a fantasy/sci-fi tv show in such diverse and amazing ways. This season made me understand my feelings like any other piece of media could and I am forever grateful that I was lucky enough to experience it. Buffy will never die.
Got a lot to unpick from this vid, but one I haven't seen others mention is about the Initiative. I think its mentioned that it kind of comes out of nowhere and I would disagree. Back on S2 its shown that there's a conspiracy element in how the authorities approach the supernatural when Snyder and a detective agree to cover up magical events surrounding the Sadie Hawkins dance with the "usual story, drugs" and actual acknowledgement of a hellmouth. This is expanded obviously with the mayor so if stands to reason that if local authorities know about it, the larger government sure do and will try to weponise it. Although it is perhaps a bit heavyhanded when it does appear.
Season 6 is not the worst season and virtually no one thinks it is -- Season 7 exists, so it can't possibly be.
Season 6 has good plots and good episodes, but yes, Season 5 would have been a better ending.
Season 6 is definitely the worst for me. I find it unwatchable.
I think Chosen is a better ending, she changes the paradigm she was forced to suffer under the past 7 seasons rather than committing su*cide so she doesn’t have to deal with the hard choices life throws our way anymore.
@@folkloreuh I think the series finale only cements her character as the worst developed in the whole series. She spend the entire show complaining about being the Slayer. So, the show ends with her giving up her responsibilities as the Slayer to the Potentials? Meh.
@@x-man9473 I mean you can be wrong, that’s fine. Slayer = adult responsibility. As a kid she often tries to shirk it but she grows to embrace it more and more. What becomes the problem is being the only one & being cut off from others. In the finale she shares the power & connects with the world she had become isolated from due to needing to protect herself against losses as well resentment for the burden she bared alone.
A good way they show the complicated Buffy in Season 6 is her singing "I was always brave and kind of righteous. Now I find I'm wavering. Crawl out of your grave you'll find this fight just doesn't mean a thing."
The whole spike "assaulting" Buffy thing was to show that he thought he understood what love was but his baseline was Drusilla. She knew he didn't love her and couldn't but he didn't understand. The scene in question made him realize he couldn't truly love her without a soul. They were treating him like he wasn't evil and he was even starting to believe it. Him being the Dr showed that he was still doing evil stuff, just not directly to his new "friends". He had to have a moment to show it so obviously that it couldn't be excused.
You can't make the claim that Buffy "died." At its heart, as Joss Whedon stated, was a coming of age story and meant to reflect the issues we face with aging and various growing pains. I didn't much care for seasons 4 or 5, but I thought BVS made a return to form with season 6 as stakes were raised as each member was dealing with maturity and the pitfalls that come along with it. Season 7 was like the now mature BVS team imparting their knowledge on a new generation of slayers so they don't make the same mistakes they did. No, Buffy never died, and despite all of the backstage turmoil, I hold out that we get to see a reunion season/movie to see where the characters wound up, like I thought it would be cool if Xander would assist Giles and reforming The Watchers Council as Buffy and Dawn run an academy training the newly empowered slayers with Willow as the "headmaster" or maybe principal of a new Sunnydale High.
Restless was the one part of season 4 that fans remember fondly??? Come on, season 4 has some of the best and funniest episodes in the whole show... Pangs, Something Blue, Hush, A New Man, Who Are You?
Season six was perfection
The series stayed pretty great after S3, but it certainly became more of "Buffy the Everything Slayer" and "Buffy Goes Charmed." An argument could be made that vampires can only be the focal point of the slaying for so long, but the series kind of diminished Buffy's power by making "the magics" such a major part of the series in later seasons. By S7, Buffy isn't even the most capable character any longer -- or even that special (the numerous "Potentials" kind of made Buffy seem less "called," leading to a heavy-handed and predictable message about every girl having it within her to be a "Slayer"). I mean, why not just have Willow and the Coven kill all of the demons? I recently rewatched the series and it occurred to me that it may have been a good creative decision to make Buffy immune to spells and most other "magics." I suppose there's some metaphorical depth to Willow's "addiction to the magics," but it's a metaphor that just ended up being way too on the nose. I still love every season, but I think it's easy to argue that S3 was the height of the series, even without the series-best later episodes such as "The Body" and "Once More, with Feeling."
Glory as a villain it's mixed baggage
Glory was one of those villains who could have been brought back if she hadn't disappeared.
It was a shame that Giles killed Ben at the end.
I am of a different opinion about season six, it is one of my personal favorites. For me it is a representation of when you hit rock bottom, or grave, there is only pull yourself up and just try. It's ok not to be ok and then it is great to be ok. Also You can't train a person to be better, they have to choose it. I love season six.
The Big Bad of season 6 was depression. Everyone was depressed. Buffy because she was pulled out of heaven. Willow because she was a junkie. Tara because she couldn't help Willow. Xander because he left Anya at the altar. Anya because Xander left her at the altar. Dawn because everybody else was depressed and nobody seemed to care about her.
they technically did bring back buffys but dawn ended up ripping the photo before buffy could answer the door.
Personally, I don’t hate season 6. It’s main villain is often overlooked: depression and the real world, not the Trio. Buffy had to deal with her depression after coming back from Heaven while also dealing with being an adult without any parental figures in her life to help her, just like her friends and Willows addiction to magic. She went to Spike because it was a way for her to truly feel alive while being able to pretend it’s not “real”, because to her Spike is dead, so sleeping with him is something she can pretend isn’t real, and that relationship was very toxic and abusive and they both said no alot but kept getting in that bed willingly every single time. It’s why Spike forced himself on Buffy, because he genuinely believed she was just playing hard to get and didn’t actually mean no, because she never meant no before. When she pushed him off, he realized she actually meant it and realized he actually tried to R her, immediately being disgusted with himself and conflicted, because he doesn’t understand why he tried to do it or why he couldn’t go through with it. It’s the catalyst that he needed to finally decide to seek out a way to be what Buffy deserved, to get his soul back, because he loves too much to be a monster and is too much of a monster to be a man. For a while, this was ok for him, because at least Buffy somewhat liked him, but he couldn’t bear it anymore, he had to choose, and he chose to try, even if it killed him, to be a man, even if he’s a monster. The chip didn’t change him, the soul didn’t instantly purge him of his sins, but he put in the work and risked everything to be a better man, which is exactly why Buffy started to believe in him and forgive him. That doesn’t mean everything is fine and forgotten, in the comics, Buffy had a scene where she’s showering and Spike, who was her boyfriend at the time, went to see how the water was so he could shower after, and Buffy kicked him across the room out of instinct because she flashed back to when he tried to R her, and Spike understood and apologized for making her relive that, even if it was just a flashback. As for Willow, it was building all season to Dark Willow. The season is overlooked, and season 4 is the worst season
Season 6 is my favorite season, thank you. 😅
But I respect Vee Infuso enough so that I can still watch this whole video. 👍
you don't get to ask who asked for this when you're gonna spend 30 minutes talking about a show that, as far as the comments are concerned, you know nothing about. And not only that, you're not going to say a single new thing unless it's tonedeaf because of that lack of familiarity, everything that can be said about this show, has either been said, or will be put better by TPN when he completes his reviews.
No one asked for THIS.
Awesome video - and FYI Giles is played by Anthony Stewart Head, sorry to be that guy!! Seriously amazing video and an easy fix🙏🏻✌🏻🧛🏻
It jump the shark after The Devil makes them sing.
Idk.. i guess we all experienced things differently.. tbh, I remember really enjoying the later seasons. I especially enjoyed the way Buffy and Angel were interwoven together.. totally interesting creatively and worth a watch through as a combined experience (alternate 1 episode of Buffy and one episode of Angel when it gets to the point they were airing concurrently because they aired back to back on the same night and were intended to be viewed that way).
It feels like a lot of your criticism has to do with not wanting to see the main characters and the ones who had become fan favorites have flaws and falls from grace written into their story arcs. Personally, i think those stories are interesting and make for characters that are more complex than a lot of what we see on tv shows, because it’s more realistic that good people sometimes do bad things and bad people sometimes do good things and I felt the show did a really interesting job of exploring the why of all of that. For any flaws the later seasons may have had (and to be clear, i am much less critical of them than you are) I would totally take late season Buffy over like 99% of the tv that is being made by major networks and streaming services today.
Sorry Vee I don't agree with much of this and you're wrong about the misconceptions of death in thr show. They state why Joyce couldn't be revived in the episode after the body.
I have to look up where it was but one episode hints that it was not Dawn's fault but her presence might have to do with Joyce's aneurysm. Hope I just deeply misunderstood because that would be hyper messed up
@@FinngrinderThere was nothing mystical about Joyce's death.
Did you call Anthony Stewart head Anthony Rupert hall… on purpose?
I agree Spike was pretty much. The only reason why I watched the show in the first place and when they did that, they ruined everything for me.
Season 1-3 is the real Buffy, it had the 80s horror feel about it and was just fun. The Magic died after they left high school.
@robthevampireslayer3211 In episode 18 of season 3, Buffy gained telepathy, which was the aspect of the demon, because what aspect means part or feature of something?
I agree with Spike. That's a deal-breaker for me. That's not entertainment.
Yet killing is entertainment?
One thing I always defend: spike assaulting buffy. Now while I hate watching that scene, it actually made sense with spike's character.
Remember the episode Lovers Walk? While it's written as a joke, Spike says "if I want dru back, I need to be the man she loved. I'll find her wherever she is, tie her up, torture her until she likes me again"
Spike has always associated love with pain. He doesn't realize how wrong what he is doing to Buffy until he sees her shaking and tears in her eyes. That's when he realizes this isnt love, it's an unhealthy obsession. It's key to his character arch.
Like I said, terrible to watch, but not out of character and is essential to him getting his soul back.
I actually quite enjoyed season 4. Does it seem a bit messy at times? Yes. However, I feel like that's how life feels once you've graduated high school and you enter college. You're more on your own, trying to sort out your life, and things change. People change. We see this in the way the friend group has a major falling out over the stupidest stuff. And you can argue Spike played a hand, but they were all having issues long before he interfered. We literally see Willow and Oz break up, and then Willow ends up with Tara. Giles doesn't know where he quite fits in the group no longer being a Watcher, but still being their mentor of sorts. However, he doesn't feel as needed. Xander is trying to figure out his life because he doesn't go to college. I think season 4 sums up how awkward it is once you've reached the age people consider to be adulthood.
Also, I'm pretty certain season 5 wasn't intended to be the finale. The WB cancelled the show, so they killed Buffy off, only for it to be picked up by UPN. When I first watched the show, season 6 was actually my favorite of the series. It was dark and we had some fantastic episodes along with Evil Willow. While I think season 7 had some decent stand alone episodes, I personally consider it the worst season of the series with the exception of the finale. That's also how I felt about Charmed season 8. The final season is terrible, but the finale is good. I honestly can't name many shows that have a really good final season.
During rewatches, I think I like season 2 a lot more because it's quite dark, as well. And as much as I love Angelus, I don't think that level of evil is ever matched in any additional Angelus arcs. And as much as I love Buffy, I do have to agree that there are times when I ended up loving Angel more because it felt more grown up.
I really like Season 6 but went into this video with an open mind. Some bits of it do suck, Giles leaving, the two relationships ending, Spike's "moment" and Buffy's character did suffer. But I liked Dark Willow and (unpopular opinion) I liked the 3 nerds. They felt like the perfect villains to show Buffy was not running at 100% any more. Willow's turn was a genuine "Oh shit" moment and the drug parallels felt earned. My opinion is Season 7 was the worst as they seemed to lose all the soul of the previous 6. It was nowhere near as funny, the characters have nothing interesting to say beyond "The First is Coming" or "From Beneath You It Devours". And then there were all the new annoying Potentials too. No, 6 was far better than 7 in my opinion.
I never got past season 4 but I'm currently searching for the dvds. Favorite episode is Becoming 1 and 2.
Buffy still lives on today. Look at how many people still react and make video essays about. Honestly I like the second half of Buffy better than most of the first half. Season 4 long term arc was weird but episodically… one of the best but def not in my top 3 or anything. 5 is def one of the highest rated seasons because of the long term arc. Dawn is not so bad when you really pay attention. She is one of the most realistic characters as a little sister who finds out she’s “adopted” but worse. Btw Tara was in a magic induced catatonia for like 3 episodes if that. 6 is one of the most controversial seasons but thats people who aren’t paying enough attention. There is a reason the main villains are just a bunch of nerds (the original incels on cable that are actually called out for the wrong they do). Giles is gone, she’s depressed, Willow is getting high on the magic after bringing Buffy back and getting very powerful. Buffy came back because she was a supernatural death but she did not come back wo HUGE consequences like her depression from being in heaven and Willows addiction plus they brought back a demon hitchhiker that terrorized the scoobies and almost killed Buffy again. As controversial as it was especially back then when most people watching were high schoolers, now with Buffy lovers grown, it’s more understood and finally getting the love it deserves. Gen z also seems to be more aware of mental illness problems and seems to relate to the show as well even at younger ages. Anya was looking for comfort, she never wanted to physically or emotionally hurt him but just wanted closure and was unaware because human emotions sometimes confuse her. While I agree it did feel like a set back at first, they really show why she needed to go through that in order to grow into a person who understands her purpose. I agree they went TOO far w Spike but he also did manage to come back from it by getting his soul even if he didn’t know what he was getting into. Tara should have never died though!!!! Ugh awful lol huge mistake but I do love dark Willow so ugh idk. Willow always had it in her and they sprinkled it in as early as season 2. Yes it stained her character. Everyone’s character this season was stained. Its the whole (well not whole) point. As we grow up…. We do awful things sometimes we can’t take back and we have to learn to keep growing and get past it. S6 is better than 7 but still good.
Sorry I wrote this out so quickly, probably so many spelling mistakes and grammar mistakes but I gotta go to bed. Anyone who didn’t like it in highscool but hasn’t seen it since should rewatch through adult lenses and see how they feel. It’s a beautiful story drenched in darkness and depth if you pay attention. Give it a chance, If you want ❤
Faith may have been rushed into s7 but glad she was. I love her. She’s so… perfect. I wish her and Willow would have kiss and made up rather than Kennedy (worst character) but then again wasn’t crazy about Willow moving on so quickly either.
Ok ok I’m going. Thanks for the video. Any Buffy video is better than none cause at least it’s keeping the memory alive 😊🫶
I normally like your videos, but it's a little difficult to take this one seriously when you mess up the actors' names. 😂
I liked most of season 6. Season 4 was the worst overall IMO.
Decline?
We are two very different people.
Vee:*finally uploads a Buffy vid*
*Immediately clicks on it*
11:30 Who the hell is "Anthony Rupert Hall"?? Hard to take you seriously, especially when speaking on what fans thought at the time, when you so completely mangle one of the main actor's names so badly...
I love love love this series, and world, even despite more recent revelations about the creator…. Great video V!
Thank you kindly!
season 6 is my favorite season, besides a few unnecessary plot lines 😂 i love the darker themes.
Why is season 7 epsiode 22 the last episode it doesn't feel like an ending
I love season 6 idk
My friends and I still argue over season 6 because Buffy Should’ve Stayed Dead. Please do the finale!
Oh lord, pleeeeeease do Angel.
Do you do comics? ... ... 😁😁
Season 6 is my favorite season and imo the BEST!!! All of them changed drastically this season. I loved all of it. It’s my go to season. Tabula Rasa ❤
6:30 Explain please! WHY does her being resurrected NEGLECT the weight and importance of the season 5 finale? I don't understand this argument. It makes no sense. Of course her sacrifice was important. How does her coming back to life nullify her sacrifice from the past? The sacrifice was necessary at the time and the only saving grace. But why can't she be brought back to life again then later because of that? I'm really struggling with this logic?
‘Anthony Rupert Hall’ is a genius joke 🤌🏻🤌🏻
i wish Johnathan would've lived instead of Andrew
her second death was mystical that's why they could bring her back
Nah I’m not having it. I love all buffy!
Sry I can’t fully agree. You bring up some good points but it’s in the context of after years of rewatching and analysis. I watched this series live. It was a literal ritual for me. I remember it so fondly and still love it. I cried when Joyce died and even more when Buffy died. That season also coincided with the series finale of another show I loved and that characters death in 2001! Xena warrior princess. I hated Angel got a spin off, and I only watched the crossover episodes with Buffy and faith. And the last two seasons. Angel was too boring the first 2-3 season. It started to pick up in The third with the resurrection of Darla and birth of Connor. But the best was the last two seasons. But I will always defend Buffy. It defined my Teenage into young adult years.
While you make a compelling case about how the show should have ended at the end of the 5th season, I don't completely agree with you. At its core Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a coming of age story. The 6th season is about navigating life in adult hood and how the scariest things we face in our lives are our inner demons. The 7th season is about finding your self again after becoming someone you didn't recognize. Maybe not everyone has gone through that, but as someone who has they do a good job at. While not executed perfectly the 6th & 7th seasons do something most series that were originally targeted at a Teenage audience do transitioning the characters into adult hood and transition the story telling in that direction as well.
the lost slayer and the gate keeper trilogy books are worth a read if you've not read
There is a buffy the vampire slayer, Easter egg in Max Payne 1
What is it?
Do tell please.
I’m sorry but all the criticisims you’ve levelled at the show…did we even watch the same show?
Yes. You watched the same show. But he actually analyzed the show. He's not a fanboy/fangirl who swallows whatever quality the show throws at you, like most of its fanbase.
@@x-man9473 But no one asked you? I’m asking the creator a question..
@@2010hassi Sure. But this is TH-cam. When you respond in a public chat, others will respond.
@@x-man9473 …to statements, yes. Not to a question that wasn’t even addressed to you. But thanks for your input 😁
It died when angel left.. his show was way better. The end
Darling, the Big Bad of season 6 is Dark Willow. The Trio was functional to the storyline to get there and don’t spoil the arc.
Yes, season season five should’ve been the finale that UPN seasons were crazy. Stupid crazy stupid at all times. I like the finale of it look crazy stupid
Eh Warren was pure evil in my eyes. Human evil is the worst.
We got body positive slayer in season 7 finale
Sorry bud but season 6 big bad was "life" itself. The fact buffy had to comeback, they say the quote twice "hardest thing in this world is to live in it" and marti noxon executive producer said herself that's why they had benile villains like Andrew Jonathan and Warren because life was the true big bad. Sometimes some people should check what other people have said and studied the show and then give them their opinion but what I love about buffy is everyone has their own favs, I love season 6, 3 and 5 but just love it , and mate it feels like ya dint know that it was suppose to end in season 5 but studio kept it going , like the guy talks without knowing history of the show
Maybe due to budget, or some other reason. Buffy's dad never made another cameo. So I guess he didn't know his ex wife and older daughter died?
They do address it, and I think just summed up to her dad being a bit of a knob. Buffy tried to call him when Joyce died, and he was off on his jollies with his secretary. And the Buffy-bot was used as a means for diverting attention away from the real Buffy being dead.
Season 4 high was hush
Season 5 was supposed to be end
To me, season six is the best season. Also, season five’s finale was to act as a series finale, because The WB wasn’t going to renew. It was then picked up by UPN, which we all know merged with The WB to become The CW.
Dude did we watch the same show? Season 6 was dope. Its not for the weak its for the freaks
That question was always my issue with resurrection in Buffy and Angel. Why does Buffy always get to come back but everyone else has to stay dead? Doesn't seem fair but it would be even more boring if everyone else could do it too.
spike came back too
Angel is in no way better than Buffy. Not even close.
People that say that are delusional fanboys.
Have to disagree. Season 6 was great, and Dark Willow is actually one of my top favorite characters in the entire show!
About the "if Buffy can come back, why not..." - it was actually answered very specifically after Tara's death - "You may not voilate the laws of natural passing ... This is not the same".
I'm sorry but Angel is not better than Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm a fan of both but the Slayer is number one ❤😊
In episode 18 of season 3, Buffy gained telepathy, which was the aspect of the demon, because what aspect means part or feature of something?
I love buffy, watch it yearly, but it really should have ended at season 5 lol. Season 6 felt like they were trying to go for awards, with how much dour drama there was in it. I still enjoyed season 6 and 7, as i love the characters and there’s still some really good parts in there, but it didn’t hold the magic of the first 5 seasons