19:21 i mean... considering how they interacted with eachother in frontiers and how sonic literally opened up to her and worried about her well-being I wouldn't be surprised if sonic is extra careful and protective with amy or in your terms extra grabby with her he just care way too much about amy now like this is another case of idw's characterization for the game cast is affecting the games IDW well mostly ian flynn and evan Stanley did a complete 180 with their relationship for whatever reason.
IDW Takes place before Frontiers, so that wouldn't even make sense. The game also wouldn't have even released until a year after these issues. Sonic has never been this grabby with Amy ever. You said it best here - this is a 180 on their dynamic.
23:00 THANK YOU! It drives me up the wall how many upskirt shots we get of Amy in this comic, especially since I don't remember Archie having that problem. It's like they just took one of her in-game models (probably SA1) and slapped it into their art program when doing roughs for the panels. NEWSFLASH: This is a comic! You can just cheat the angle of the dress or do what Prime did. If anything, giving her a void for a crotch just makes it more noticeable.
Lmaooo, even if Archie doesn't have direct drawings of views from up Amy's skirt, I'm sure that I can find multiple pictures like the one I found at 23:14 where a character, would in reality, be looking directly at her exposed butt from the way Amy's positioned. It's a bigger problem than just removing those angles, the dress has gotta go.
The only person who disagreed with sonic(espio) didn't make a very obvious and clear argument as to why eggman shouldn't be let go because idw doesn't want to meaningfully challenge sonics ideals in the comics
@darwinspain4931 It's just applying superhero writing to Sonic. Flynn was transparently trying to make a situation like in Injustice (debating over whether superheroes should kill supervillains especially the mega monsterous ones like Joker) and it just doesn't fit Game Sonic. Archie Sonic under Flynn also had Sonic insist on not killing Eggman and being debated about it by other heroes.
I don't think IDW knows how to give those meaningful challenges to a character. They even have their own characters who WOULD be able to directly contradict the cast, but they don't even use them. Sonic letting Eggman go would have been a great time for Whisper to step in and start disliking Sonic, Eggman is her public enemy no.2 right next to Mimic.
I agree with this honestly. If they really want to make some sort of moral conflict or whatever then there's a lot of ways to at least make it interesting. Instead, Sonic felt briefly bad for the metal virus, Tangle reassured him, and so far nothing else has happened, despite the 'germ of doubt'. If anything, he thought he did a good thing since Metal helped against Zavok... when he literally caused the whole mess in the first place lmao.
Belle feels like the second attempt to give Eggman a daughter, like what happened in Archie sonic with M but fails because they went with a completely different angle with it. It's good to try something different but the whole "I wish my dad wasn't the world's biggest super villain" doesn't really work here given as you said she's mostly a crybot and who we have known for 2 issues. So there's not only no time to explore the angle but it's also just more Inherently serious then just making her like Bowser Jr, Nina Cortex or Eggman's later other Sage where they like working with there Parental figures.
I haven't read Archie so I'm not sure what the reference is there yet. I don't have a problem with Eggman's creations seeing him as their father, I'd only have a problem with Eggman reciprocating that. In that context Belle would be done properly. I do agree though, Belle is more like an NPC you find on a side quest that you have to help, and then in the end you leave them. The quest may have a sad context, but at the end of the day I just want my 600 gold and 5000xp, I don't care about the questgiver.
@kotytang It doesn't work. What they try in Frontiers is forced for one. In stuff like in IDW comics I can blame how writers like Flynn don't really get Game Eggman as a character (they see him as either his DiC shows to Archie/Fleetway broad characterization or Dr. Drakken/Dr. Nefarious/Megamind crossed with Bowser).
@@galten7361 They’ve been humanizing him since at least SA2 and at most SA1. He’s no longer just an idea, he’s an entire character with emotions, ambitions, and reasoning.
1) 7:05- Its not convenient that Tangle being there was not convenient, the boat fell because Tangle was in the area, so she could stop it from falling and get a dramatic character entrance. This is a common writing technique in anime, manga and comics where something bad will happen to facilitate the introduction of a character. Tangle though, is a character that has already been introduced, but Belle hasn't met her yet. The two could have met in a more ordinary or even natural way but then that wouldn't be as interesting. This scene also works to show how the Sonic cast appear to ordinary people. Belle, despite what we saw in "Chao Races and Badnick Bases", is not a strong character and cannot do the things the other heroes can so here she acts as our audience surrogate character. 2) 16:11- Those are not puffs of smoke, they're obviously robots that Sonic destroys via homing attack. Only so much can be shown in a panel. 3) 18:03- Orbot and Cubot, like the other robots, can tell that she's egg tech but they don't recognize her personally and so are confused. 4) Belle being able to cry is more of an artistic choice, yes, it would be more realistic to have her just look sad but you wouldn't get the same emotional catharsis. This is something artists do from time to time where they know something doesn't work from a logical sense but do it anyway because it looks good artistically. There are countless works that do this same exact thing. -This arc was incredibly boring. The story is divided into an A and B plot but there was not really a whole lot going on in the A plot, so it was left to Belle and Tangle to carry the narrative, with Belle being the point of view character. Problem is that Belle is a reactionary character mainly, she can't do a whole lot and the story mainly just happens to her. Aside from a few instances she doesn't really push the story forward but she's the heart of the story. Most characters in fiction tend to start off as reactionary characters, but the important bit is that they eventually become active characters that drive the story. Belle being almost purely a reactionary character isn't bad on its own but the problem is that she's also the heart of the story and so the whole arc falls flat because of it.
Oh of course! Thank you, I never knew what a character entrance was, this is my first time reading something! in fact, I’ve never watched anything before! This makes it no longer a convenient thing that Tangle was told to stay out of the room and being there despite that by describing what a character entrance was. Just by using a writing tool a scene is absolved of any reason or logical consistency or being joked about! Thank you for enlightening me! My response to the IDW team would be to draw it to convey that idea better. Add robots parts, anything at all. Not just literal puffs of smoke and nothing else. Yes, this is more of a question of just how locked in they are vs the Egg Pawns who won’t even question to not attack her. It’s likely if she attacked then they wouldn’t even respond. Obviously it’s an artistic choice, it’s called making fun, joking, haha, teehee, not everything I say is 100% “serious minute detail wtf is happening where is my logical consistency”. I’m literally asking if she has mold inside her and if she’s breaking down from the inside, do you think that’s a serious question? I’ll add a /j tag on everything just for you in the future sweetheart. Belles doesn’t really have to be proactive as she’s not the main character. While she is the perspective character she can remain as a mostly reactionary character. She’s very proactive in her role in this saga as she’s the reason she even got to Egg tower, she actively went searching for Eggman, etc. so she’s definitely not reactive, she’s responding to situations, but she’s also actively contributing. The problem now is that she has no goal or purpose.
@@kotytang 1) No, its still not convenient she was there, the boat fell so she could make her entrance, not the other way around. Yes, Tangle was told not to come there but Tangle is also not the type to do as she's told. If Tangle being here is convenient then what about other character dramatic entrances where the character just happened to be in the area at the time to save the day? What about issue 1 where Tails just happened to be in the area to save Sonic from getting crushed? Was that convenient? Is anytime anything happens coincidentally convenient? How far does it go? 2) All Belle really did was get us here, trip over stuff and fall. She didn't really contribute to the climax of this arc which is a problem because it's her story. Tangle is the real hero of this storyline as she does all the heavy lifting, she saves Belle, multiple times, gives her a chance, figures out where Sonic and the others were and rescues them. Belle should have done something at the climax to make her journey feel complete and like she wasn't just a spectator. It wouldn't have been that hard. They could have made it where Orbot and Cubot shut down the portals and Belle is the one to reactivate them in the nick of time and then when the heroes are saved she activates a self destruct sequence. Just spit-balling. As is, it feels like she's just along for the ride.
@franklycentral48 Tangle’s is indeed the type to not do what she’s told, nobody is disputing that at any point. Yes all of those would be convenient absolutely. As long as there is no actual reason for a character to be there it’s convenient. Whether it’s a detractor for the story is up to you. In issue 1 with Tails, it absolutely was, in issue 2 with Amy, it wasn’t. 2) I’ll break it down for you. First Belle is a noncombatant, if Tangle fighting means she’s automatically taking everything, that’s a very unfair standard. You can only work with what Belle can do. Belle is looking for Eggman, she chooses to go to his base. Belle saved Tails Belle follows Sonic and his friends and saves the Chao Belle makes the plan to go to egg tower and is the reason they even get there Belle is the reason egg pawns didn’t descend on them Belle in the reason Tangle can find Sonic She contributes in her own way, if your only standard is combat, you missed the entire story. Sure what you said is fine, it doesn’t mean she’s NEVER been proactive, that’s just more proactive bits.
@kotytang Tangle tricked Orbot and Cubot into revealing which gate was correct. And this is still Belle's story. She should be responsible for the climax.
@franklycentral48 You’re incorrect Tangle joined the alternate story by going into the portal, which I involved Sonic, Tails, and Amy. Belle’s story was finding Eggman, and get answers, you’re combining the two stories together. Belle was alone for her finale.
This is another problem I have with the comics...These characters ( or OCs, let's be honest ) add nothing to this comic. Their powers are nothing special, and the main cast doesn't need them. All of these OCs have been given unnecessary sad backstories in an attempt to force the audience to empathize with them, despite their lack of likability. I'm sorry, but these OCs are not particularly special; and if I can be completely honest right now, I hate all of them. Tangle is a high-on-everything-dipshit who is incompetent at everything. Whisper is the walking sob story who never evolves from her past, Starline is an idiot who just exists to prove that Eggman is the smartest scientist in the world ( despite the comic failing to show that Eggman is smart, because why the hell did they write the Doctor like this, ugh ) and Jewel along with Belle are the pinnacle of pointless. What exactly is the role of Belle in the story? Is it to make us sympathize with a character who is incompetent and has no significant impact on the story or franchise? People will defend these OCs by saying that their trauma is relatable and that they're cute UWU babies. But that's not how you write good characters or a good story. And yes, this version of Sonic is going to make your blood boil. But that made me wonder...did he also act like this in Archie? Can anyone clarify this since I've only read 2% of Archie?
I think the powers are fine. Tangle has the stretchy Tail, Mimic has the shapeshifting, Whisper has her variable Wispon, Starline with the Warp Topaz, and now the Tri-Core. I'd actually prefer that IDW focused on them more. The only reason they feel pointless is because they don't do anything. Most of the new characters don't have sad Backstories. Both Jewel and Tangle are fine, Mimic is Evil, Starline is an Eggman Fanboy- doesn't seem bothered by anything else, Rough and Tumble are bad guys, Clutch is also a bad guy. It's really just Whisper and Tangle as the only ones with a sad backstory so far. Seems like Belle is just a loose-end for Mr Tinker. Her being removed from the story would be fine as far as I can tell. From what I've heard about Archie, Sonic is a pretty mean guy for a lot of it. Some people also just say he's the best Sonic so, you'll get a mixed response.
@@kotytang ( forgot to add nearly all, oops ) To me, they're nothing special. From what I've heard and seen so far, Archie Sonic was pretty much ridiculously overpowered, which isn't good. If you're basically a God, then you don't need others. I understand it was more Westernized for the target audience, but I just don't like that interpretation of Sonic. Being mean isn't cool. I can't recall a moment when Sonic was mean towards someone in the games. I guess it would be interesting if you could analyze the two different versions. I don't know how much Flynn wrote for Archie, nor how he interpreted Sonic. I know I've only seen scraps of Archie, but if you compare the two, you start to see something that makes you wonder why Flynn "fell from grace," as others have stated. This genuinely intrigues me because I would think that a man in his 40s who is a fan of this franchise would know how the character is supposed to be by now.
To me, that really is the death knell of this comic. It's not just that there's barely any focus on the characters most readers/fans would buy these books for, but that the characters they do focus on just plain suck. They're a bunch of listless, uninteresting, melodramatic incompetents and they didn't have to be.
Ngl I completely forgot what happened in this arc lol And my god, I hate the void panties so much. Not because of the whole "it'll turn children into perverts!" or whatever (I grew up with the old 2000s games and Sonic X with Amy's shamelessness intact and I turned out fine lol) but because it's so damn lazy. If they're that concerned, can't they just, I don't know... DRAW her damn dress in a way that doesn't make us think of Aqua from Konosuba? The fact that it's a void just makes it worse because we don't even know if she's wearing anything under there or not lol
@@kotytang I could see that happening one day. Fleetway made a design change for her before Adventure, and they stuck with it with the only change being her hair after it was out. Now that I think of it, they could use her outfit from the Olympic games and no one would mind much.
@@MetalWeebChaos For sure, the Olympic games is a great example. I dunno if it will ever happen tbh. I think that fans in general are less welcoming to outfit changes, and SEGA just doesn't want to take the time to redesign all/some of the characters.
@@kotytang I wouldn't lie if I said I'd have a problem with newer designs in the games since I'm too familiar with the ones we've had for so long. If Sega made new ones for both the games and comics though, they'd have to make the characters look just as good if not better for people to accept them. If it's just the comics, I wouldn't care as much since there's a chance of a different run or a different company making them sometime in the future.
Hm, fair enough, to be honest I had a feeling this Arc might end up not being your cup of tea, but it was interesting to hear what you thought regardless, Although, i feel like you might’ve been overthinking and overlooking certain things in this Arc, Also, I am starting to feel like you jump to conclusions too quickly as well. Like why was a Eggbot having Chalk, to mark the way with during some sort of testing process obviously, well it was obvious to me anyway. About the Belle situation, I don’t think it really were supposed to be a mystery to us specifically, but rather was just solely meant for her Character Arc more than anything, Speaking of which, i felt like you were pretty insensitive towards her entire situation during this Arc, Also, about the whole her being recognized as a Badnik thing, i think them recognizing WHAT she is doesn’t necessarily also mean they would know WHO she is. Regardless of that, I can understand what you’re coming from, i and some others just never really cared about those certain details, Anyway, I have to say, I am looking forward to find out what you think of the Next Arc.
"overthinking and overlooking." You'd have to explain what you mean by that. If you feel like I'm jumping to conclusions I'd like if you pointed those out as well. I comment on the chalk in the video of why it makes no sense for the robot to need Chalk at all - Eggman is tracking the entire layout of this base. He doesn't actually need a robot who has a piece of chalk. We can even tell that Eggman is able to see where Sonic and his friends are the entire time as they go further inside. The chalk is literally just there so Tails can learn how the maze works. --------- "About the Belle situation, I don’t think it really were supposed to be a mystery to us specifically, but rather was just solely meant for her Character Arc more than anything, " This is an example of a failed arc. Visually we can tell that she's Mr. Tinker's and the writers made it blatantly obvious every step of the way, in order for this arc to land for readers we need to be along for the ride. They didn't just hint at Belle being Mr. Tinker, it was impossible for just about every single character to ever believe she wasn't made by Eggman. Every single person in our main cast new that she was a badnik, and every badnik is made by Eggman. I am absolutely being insesitive to Belle becauase that's actually how I feel about her. She's a failed character right down to her inception as I say in the video. I have no reason to care about a single thing she's doing as I have literally just met her. While it's common for regular people to be caught up in emotional scenes like these - I require a connection to the character before you attempt to tell me how tragic their entire lives have been. It's what I call tear-bait. The character is purely made to make you feel sad, and the only thing that ever happens to the character is bad things. I explained in another comment, and I think it perfectly captures why I will never care about a character in a story purely designed to try and make me sad, so I'll repeat it here ; "....Belle is more like an NPC you find on a side quest that you have to help, and then in the end you leave them. The quest may have a sad context, but at the end of the day I just want my 600 gold and 5000xp, I don't care about the questgiver."
@@kotytang fair enough, i can’t think of anything in particular, so i guess it was just vibe. Anyway, a Failed Arc, huh? That’s assuming it’s over, Well, of course, it would be understandable why you would think that, But no, this is just a step in where her Character goes from here.
@@johanstenfelt1206 This Arc for Belle was "who is my creator" it ends once we get confirmed who that creator is. There is a moment in Zeti Hunt that you could call the aftermatth of her arc as we get revealed what she went through after Eggman got his memory back, and she learns that Starline is the one who gave his memory back. However the arc itself was completed here, as she found out the truth of her creation as a badnik, and what happened to Mr. Tinker, even getting to speak directly to Eggman. Any arc that comes afterward would now be brand new arc for her character. Not a part of the same arc, unless they plan to retread Belle no longer knowing what happened to Mr. Tinker. This is why I keep asking "what is she going to do now"
@@johanstenfelt1206 Not really, as long as you don't say what's going to happen, lol. I imagine there will be more, otherwise I can't imagine why she's still around.
Robotnik being able to create a realm that grows and Folds back in on itself ad infinitum, while also being able to warp it and take away its gravity, is a great Display of his intellect. The only reason this Labyrinth even exists is because robotnik got bored of his designs being constrained by the laws of physics. Not only can he create higher dimensional realms, but also Labyrinths that defy the very laws of the universe.
I think it is definely an interesting display of what Eggman's capable of creating. A few more towers like that and he could likely transform an entire region of the planet into a reality bending zone. It's always cool to see what Eggman can come up with...whenever the writers remember he's suppose to have 300 IQ.
To make a long story short; PootieTang is an absolutely ridiculous movie from the early 00s with Lance Crouther, Chris Rock and a variety of other stars. In the movie the character PootieTang is one of the coolest most influential people in the world, and he’s incredible at everything he does. Even when he doesn’t speak the world listens. An online friend of mine would call me KotyTang all the time after we realized we had both seen the movie. That’s been my online nickname ever since. This channel made it an official name I use.
That was pointed out to me by somebody else, so my response is the same as that - they should have drawn that better to convey they were robots. Just add something like some bolts, robot pieces, anything.
We actually discussed that exact thing in the Discord. The majority of Sonic's fun would be coming from Eggman, so would he suddenly lose out on that? What evil would replace Eggman? What would Sonic do with his free-time? So many things to explore.
The thing with Tangle is she's an adrenaline junkie, anything with her tail she sees as an opportunity to catapult herself (or somebody else) for a thrill, whether its something on a need to basis or just for the ride. Which suits her pretty well. Personally I liked Belle and was a nicely done play on Pinocchio. I think they wanted her in the comic to kind of represent the baggage Eggman has given to people, even though she's not evil, people still look at her with suspicion, even the heroes, because shes a product of Eggman. In a way I think its also a nod to the SATAM/Archie thing that also went over discriminating against robots/ai/robians, as much as they could do without straight up doing it. I also will say the thing with Amy feels like a weird nitpick and also Amy is not a flyer like Tails nor is she any good at rebounding off surfaces like Sonic can, so her needing to be carried around those void spaces makes sense. It's a digital space so there is some leeway for how Tails can use his tails for lift. This arc is more of a preamble to the Eggperial City/Imposter Syndrome arc which I think was really good. I think it will address some complaints you have about the comic so far. Though, I cannot disagree about the Restoration, the Restoration is probably the worst part of the comic imo. They just needed to tweak it a bit differently and give a better explanation, its being used as a easy to write convienance malt shop trope for the heroes and not much regard is given to how it actually works, even later on, they TRY to, but it's all window dressing.
I disagree with both points about Amy and Tails. Amy has been shown to be a very capable fighter, and especially during her fight with Zomom. Amy was using her hammer to reach heights that most characters couldn’t reach without heavy effort or flat out flying, just to get away from the Zombots and Zomom. Amy has grown to be a heavy asset to the team, she’s not an incapable person. As for Tails, the void alone is powerful enough to drag Sonic and Amy upwards, that is an incredible display of strength to just be stationary, and flying. Flying in places where gravity is wonky would be near impossible to navigate, he’d be flying upside, sideways, and even backwards. - I am excited to check out the mini series though! Surge is one of the characters I’ve been waiting for a long time to see, so I’m ready to see how they write her character.
19:21 i mean... considering how they interacted with eachother in frontiers and how sonic literally opened up to her and worried about her well-being I wouldn't be surprised if sonic is extra careful and protective with amy or in your terms extra grabby with her he just care way too much about amy now like this is another case of idw's characterization for the game cast is affecting the games IDW well mostly ian flynn and evan Stanley did a complete 180 with their relationship for whatever reason.
IDW Takes place before Frontiers, so that wouldn't even make sense. The game also wouldn't have even released until a year after these issues.
Sonic has never been this grabby with Amy ever. You said it best here - this is a 180 on their dynamic.
23:00 THANK YOU! It drives me up the wall how many upskirt shots we get of Amy in this comic, especially since I don't remember Archie having that problem. It's like they just took one of her in-game models (probably SA1) and slapped it into their art program when doing roughs for the panels. NEWSFLASH: This is a comic! You can just cheat the angle of the dress or do what Prime did. If anything, giving her a void for a crotch just makes it more noticeable.
Yeah just give her shorts or something it's odd or I dunno change the outfit?
@mr.unsmiley8656 It's done on purpose. Adam Bryce Thomas at the least draws lewd/porny art of the Sonic cast.
Lmaooo, even if Archie doesn't have direct drawings of views from up Amy's skirt, I'm sure that I can find multiple pictures like the one I found at 23:14 where a character, would in reality, be looking directly at her exposed butt from the way Amy's positioned. It's a bigger problem than just removing those angles, the dress has gotta go.
Ianwaffles described Belle the best: "Her entire character arc is waiting for the moment when she will be sad."
Hey, it sells. A ✨ quirky ✨ girl failure with dad trauma? Instant fandom popularity.
Yeah sounds about right
Interested to see if that's remains true as her character continues to appear.
Perhaps that’s true for this Arc, but what about beyond it?
The only person who disagreed with sonic(espio) didn't make a very obvious and clear argument as to why eggman shouldn't be let go because idw doesn't want to meaningfully challenge sonics ideals in the comics
@darwinspain4931 It's just applying superhero writing to Sonic. Flynn was transparently trying to make a situation like in Injustice (debating over whether superheroes should kill supervillains especially the mega monsterous ones like Joker) and it just doesn't fit Game Sonic.
Archie Sonic under Flynn also had Sonic insist on not killing Eggman and being debated about it by other heroes.
I don't think IDW knows how to give those meaningful challenges to a character. They even have their own characters who WOULD be able to directly contradict the cast, but they don't even use them. Sonic letting Eggman go would have been a great time for Whisper to step in and start disliking Sonic, Eggman is her public enemy no.2 right next to Mimic.
I agree with this honestly. If they really want to make some sort of moral conflict or whatever then there's a lot of ways to at least make it interesting. Instead, Sonic felt briefly bad for the metal virus, Tangle reassured him, and so far nothing else has happened, despite the 'germ of doubt'. If anything, he thought he did a good thing since Metal helped against Zavok... when he literally caused the whole mess in the first place lmao.
Belle feels like the second attempt to give Eggman a daughter, like what happened in Archie sonic with M but fails because they went with a completely different angle with it. It's good to try something different but the whole "I wish my dad wasn't the world's biggest super villain" doesn't really work here given as you said she's mostly a crybot and who we have known for 2 issues. So there's not only no time to explore the angle but it's also just more Inherently serious then just making her like Bowser Jr, Nina Cortex or Eggman's later other Sage where they like working with there Parental figures.
@rossruss6901 Eggman in game canon is not a character who works with having a Bowser Jr. since he's supposed to be a metaphor.
I haven't read Archie so I'm not sure what the reference is there yet. I don't have a problem with Eggman's creations seeing him as their father, I'd only have a problem with Eggman reciprocating that. In that context Belle would be done properly.
I do agree though, Belle is more like an NPC you find on a side quest that you have to help, and then in the end you leave them. The quest may have a sad context, but at the end of the day I just want my 600 gold and 5000xp, I don't care about the questgiver.
@@galten7361 In the classic era I can agree Eggman was a metaphor, I wouldn't say that's as true anymore. They've majorly humanized him since then.
@kotytang It doesn't work. What they try in Frontiers is forced for one. In stuff like in IDW comics I can blame how writers like Flynn don't really get Game Eggman as a character (they see him as either his DiC shows to Archie/Fleetway broad characterization or Dr. Drakken/Dr. Nefarious/Megamind crossed with Bowser).
@@galten7361 They’ve been humanizing him since at least SA2 and at most SA1. He’s no longer just an idea, he’s an entire character with emotions, ambitions, and reasoning.
1) 7:05- Its not convenient that Tangle being there was not convenient, the boat fell because Tangle was in the area, so she could stop it from falling and get a dramatic character entrance. This is a common writing technique in anime, manga and comics where something bad will happen to facilitate the introduction of a character. Tangle though, is a character that has already been introduced, but Belle hasn't met her yet. The two could have met in a more ordinary or even natural way but then that wouldn't be as interesting. This scene also works to show how the Sonic cast appear to ordinary people. Belle, despite what we saw in "Chao Races and Badnick Bases", is not a strong character and cannot do the things the other heroes can so here she acts as our audience surrogate character.
2) 16:11- Those are not puffs of smoke, they're obviously robots that Sonic destroys via homing attack. Only so much can be shown in a panel.
3) 18:03- Orbot and Cubot, like the other robots, can tell that she's egg tech but they don't recognize her personally and so are confused.
4) Belle being able to cry is more of an artistic choice, yes, it would be more realistic to have her just look sad but you wouldn't get the same emotional catharsis. This is something artists do from time to time where they know something doesn't work from a logical sense but do it anyway because it looks good artistically. There are countless works that do this same exact thing.
-This arc was incredibly boring. The story is divided into an A and B plot but there was not really a whole lot going on in the A plot, so it was left to Belle and Tangle to carry the narrative, with Belle being the point of view character. Problem is that Belle is a reactionary character mainly, she can't do a whole lot and the story mainly just happens to her. Aside from a few instances she doesn't really push the story forward but she's the heart of the story. Most characters in fiction tend to start off as reactionary characters, but the important bit is that they eventually become active characters that drive the story. Belle being almost purely a reactionary character isn't bad on its own but the problem is that she's also the heart of the story and so the whole arc falls flat because of it.
Oh of course! Thank you, I never knew what a character entrance was, this is my first time reading something! in fact, I’ve never watched anything before! This makes it no longer a convenient thing that Tangle was told to stay out of the room and being there despite that by describing what a character entrance was. Just by using a writing tool a scene is absolved of any reason or logical consistency or being joked about! Thank you for enlightening me!
My response to the IDW team would be to draw it to convey that idea better. Add robots parts, anything at all. Not just literal puffs of smoke and nothing else.
Yes, this is more of a question of just how locked in they are vs the Egg Pawns who won’t even question to not attack her. It’s likely if she attacked then they wouldn’t even respond.
Obviously it’s an artistic choice, it’s called making fun, joking, haha, teehee, not everything I say is 100% “serious minute detail wtf is happening where is my logical consistency”. I’m literally asking if she has mold inside her and if she’s breaking down from the inside, do you think that’s a serious question? I’ll add a /j tag on everything just for you in the future sweetheart.
Belles doesn’t really have to be proactive as she’s not the main character. While she is the perspective character she can remain as a mostly reactionary character. She’s very proactive in her role in this saga as she’s the reason she even got to Egg tower, she actively went searching for Eggman, etc. so she’s definitely not reactive, she’s responding to situations, but she’s also actively contributing. The problem now is that she has no goal or purpose.
@@kotytang 1) No, its still not convenient she was there, the boat fell so she could make her entrance, not the other way around. Yes, Tangle was told not to come there but Tangle is also not the type to do as she's told. If Tangle being here is convenient then what about other character dramatic entrances where the character just happened to be in the area at the time to save the day? What about issue 1 where Tails just happened to be in the area to save Sonic from getting crushed? Was that convenient? Is anytime anything happens coincidentally convenient? How far does it go?
2) All Belle really did was get us here, trip over stuff and fall. She didn't really contribute to the climax of this arc which is a problem because it's her story. Tangle is the real hero of this storyline as she does all the heavy lifting, she saves Belle, multiple times, gives her a chance, figures out where Sonic and the others were and rescues them. Belle should have done something at the climax to make her journey feel complete and like she wasn't just a spectator. It wouldn't have been that hard. They could have made it where Orbot and Cubot shut down the portals and Belle is the one to reactivate them in the nick of time and then when the heroes are saved she activates a self destruct sequence. Just spit-balling. As is, it feels like she's just along for the ride.
@franklycentral48 Tangle’s is indeed the type to not do what she’s told, nobody is disputing that at any point.
Yes all of those would be convenient absolutely. As long as there is no actual reason for a character to be there it’s convenient. Whether it’s a detractor for the story is up to you. In issue 1 with Tails, it absolutely was, in issue 2 with Amy, it wasn’t.
2) I’ll break it down for you. First Belle is a noncombatant, if Tangle fighting means she’s automatically taking everything, that’s a very unfair standard. You can only work with what Belle can do.
Belle is looking for Eggman, she chooses to go to his base.
Belle saved Tails
Belle follows Sonic and his friends and saves the Chao
Belle makes the plan to go to egg tower and is the reason they even get there
Belle is the reason egg pawns didn’t descend on them
Belle in the reason Tangle can find Sonic
She contributes in her own way, if your only standard is combat, you missed the entire story. Sure what you said is fine, it doesn’t mean she’s NEVER been proactive, that’s just more proactive bits.
@kotytang Tangle tricked Orbot and Cubot into revealing which gate was correct. And this is still Belle's story. She should be responsible for the climax.
@franklycentral48 You’re incorrect Tangle joined the alternate story by going into the portal, which I involved Sonic, Tails, and Amy.
Belle’s story was finding Eggman, and get answers, you’re combining the two stories together. Belle was alone for her finale.
This is another problem I have with the comics...These characters ( or OCs, let's be honest ) add nothing to this comic. Their powers are nothing special, and the main cast doesn't need them.
All of these OCs have been given unnecessary sad backstories in an attempt to force the audience to empathize with them, despite their lack of likability. I'm sorry, but these OCs are not particularly special; and if I can be completely honest right now, I hate all of them.
Tangle is a high-on-everything-dipshit who is incompetent at everything. Whisper is the walking sob story who never evolves from her past, Starline is an idiot who just exists to prove that Eggman is the smartest scientist in the world ( despite the comic failing to show that Eggman is smart, because why the hell did they write the Doctor like this, ugh ) and Jewel along with Belle are the pinnacle of pointless.
What exactly is the role of Belle in the story? Is it to make us sympathize with a character who is incompetent and has no significant impact on the story or franchise?
People will defend these OCs by saying that their trauma is relatable and that they're cute UWU babies. But that's not how you write good characters or a good story.
And yes, this version of Sonic is going to make your blood boil. But that made me wonder...did he also act like this in Archie? Can anyone clarify this since I've only read 2% of Archie?
All the OCs were given sad backstories? No. Whisper has a sad backstory and Belle is a tragic creation.
I think the powers are fine. Tangle has the stretchy Tail, Mimic has the shapeshifting, Whisper has her variable Wispon, Starline with the Warp Topaz, and now the Tri-Core. I'd actually prefer that IDW focused on them more. The only reason they feel pointless is because they don't do anything.
Most of the new characters don't have sad Backstories. Both Jewel and Tangle are fine, Mimic is Evil, Starline is an Eggman Fanboy- doesn't seem bothered by anything else, Rough and Tumble are bad guys, Clutch is also a bad guy. It's really just Whisper and Tangle as the only ones with a sad backstory so far.
Seems like Belle is just a loose-end for Mr Tinker. Her being removed from the story would be fine as far as I can tell.
From what I've heard about Archie, Sonic is a pretty mean guy for a lot of it. Some people also just say he's the best Sonic so, you'll get a mixed response.
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To me, they're nothing special.
From what I've heard and seen so far, Archie Sonic was pretty much ridiculously overpowered, which isn't good. If you're basically a God, then you don't need others. I understand it was more Westernized for the target audience, but I just don't like that interpretation of Sonic.
Being mean isn't cool. I can't recall a moment when Sonic was mean towards someone in the games.
I guess it would be interesting if you could analyze the two different versions. I don't know how much Flynn wrote for Archie, nor how he interpreted Sonic. I know I've only seen scraps of Archie, but if you compare the two, you start to see something that makes you wonder why Flynn "fell from grace," as others have stated.
This genuinely intrigues me because I would think that a man in his 40s who is a fan of this franchise would know how the character is supposed to be by now.
To me, that really is the death knell of this comic. It's not just that there's barely any focus on the characters most readers/fans would buy these books for, but that the characters they do focus on just plain suck. They're a bunch of listless, uninteresting, melodramatic incompetents and they didn't have to be.
@@Zavraan he does, he just aren’t able to express it as much as he probably would like.
Silver's Garden NOOO
Robbed of all its love, nobody to take care of it.
Ngl I completely forgot what happened in this arc lol
And my god, I hate the void panties so much. Not because of the whole "it'll turn children into perverts!" or whatever (I grew up with the old 2000s games and Sonic X with Amy's shamelessness intact and I turned out fine lol) but because it's so damn lazy. If they're that concerned, can't they just, I don't know... DRAW her damn dress in a way that doesn't make us think of Aqua from Konosuba? The fact that it's a void just makes it worse because we don't even know if she's wearing anything under there or not lol
True. For all we know, it could be like Sonic Boom and there actually isn't anything under there.
You could definitely get a worse implication from the void. My suggestions is to just throw away the umbrella dress and give her clothing a redesign.
@@kotytang I could see that happening one day. Fleetway made a design change for her before Adventure, and they stuck with it with the only change being her hair after it was out.
Now that I think of it, they could use her outfit from the Olympic games and no one would mind much.
@@MetalWeebChaos For sure, the Olympic games is a great example.
I dunno if it will ever happen tbh. I think that fans in general are less welcoming to outfit changes, and SEGA just doesn't want to take the time to redesign all/some of the characters.
@@kotytang I wouldn't lie if I said I'd have a problem with newer designs in the games since I'm too familiar with the ones we've had for so long. If Sega made new ones for both the games and comics though, they'd have to make the characters look just as good if not better for people to accept them.
If it's just the comics, I wouldn't care as much since there's a chance of a different run or a different company making them sometime in the future.
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Hm, fair enough, to be honest I had a feeling this Arc might end up not being your cup of tea, but it was interesting to hear what you thought regardless,
Although, i feel like you might’ve been overthinking and overlooking certain things in this Arc,
Also, I am starting to feel like you jump to conclusions too quickly as well.
Like why was a Eggbot having Chalk, to mark the way with during some sort of testing process obviously, well it was obvious to me anyway.
About the Belle situation, I don’t think it really were supposed to be a mystery to us specifically, but rather was just solely meant for her Character Arc more than anything,
Speaking of which, i felt like you were pretty insensitive towards her entire situation during this Arc,
Also, about the whole her being recognized as a Badnik thing, i think them recognizing WHAT she is doesn’t necessarily also mean they would know WHO she is.
Regardless of that, I can understand what you’re coming from, i and some others just never really cared about those certain details,
Anyway, I have to say, I am looking forward to find out what you think of the Next Arc.
"overthinking and overlooking." You'd have to explain what you mean by that.
If you feel like I'm jumping to conclusions I'd like if you pointed those out as well.
I comment on the chalk in the video of why it makes no sense for the robot to need Chalk at all - Eggman is tracking the entire layout of this base. He doesn't actually need a robot who has a piece of chalk. We can even tell that Eggman is able to see where Sonic and his friends are the entire time as they go further inside. The chalk is literally just there so Tails can learn how the maze works.
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"About the Belle situation, I don’t think it really were supposed to be a mystery to us specifically, but rather was just solely meant for her Character Arc more than anything, "
This is an example of a failed arc. Visually we can tell that she's Mr. Tinker's and the writers made it blatantly obvious every step of the way, in order for this arc to land for readers we need to be along for the ride. They didn't just hint at Belle being Mr. Tinker, it was impossible for just about every single character to ever believe she wasn't made by Eggman. Every single person in our main cast new that she was a badnik, and every badnik is made by Eggman.
I am absolutely being insesitive to Belle becauase that's actually how I feel about her. She's a failed character right down to her inception as I say in the video. I have no reason to care about a single thing she's doing as I have literally just met her. While it's common for regular people to be caught up in emotional scenes like these - I require a connection to the character before you attempt to tell me how tragic their entire lives have been. It's what I call tear-bait. The character is purely made to make you feel sad, and the only thing that ever happens to the character is bad things.
I explained in another comment, and I think it perfectly captures why I will never care about a character in a story purely designed to try and make me sad, so I'll repeat it here ; "....Belle is more like an NPC you find on a side quest that you have to help, and then in the end you leave them. The quest may have a sad context, but at the end of the day I just want my 600 gold and 5000xp, I don't care about the questgiver."
@@kotytang fair enough, i can’t think of anything in particular, so i guess it was just vibe.
Anyway, a Failed Arc, huh? That’s assuming it’s over,
Well, of course, it would be understandable why you would think that,
But no, this is just a step in where her Character goes from here.
@@johanstenfelt1206 This Arc for Belle was "who is my creator" it ends once we get confirmed who that creator is. There is a moment in Zeti Hunt that you could call the aftermatth of her arc as we get revealed what she went through after Eggman got his memory back, and she learns that Starline is the one who gave his memory back. However the arc itself was completed here, as she found out the truth of her creation as a badnik, and what happened to Mr. Tinker, even getting to speak directly to Eggman.
Any arc that comes afterward would now be brand new arc for her character. Not a part of the same arc, unless they plan to retread Belle no longer knowing what happened to Mr. Tinker. This is why I keep asking "what is she going to do now"
@@kotytang hehe, precisely, what is she going to do now? That’s the next step of her Personal Character Arc.
…wait, does that count as a Spoiler?
@@johanstenfelt1206 Not really, as long as you don't say what's going to happen, lol.
I imagine there will be more, otherwise I can't imagine why she's still around.
Robotnik being able to create a realm that grows and Folds back in on itself ad infinitum, while also being able to warp it and take away its gravity, is a great Display of his intellect. The only reason this Labyrinth even exists is because robotnik got bored of his designs being constrained by the laws of physics. Not only can he create higher dimensional realms, but also Labyrinths that defy the very laws of the universe.
I think it is definely an interesting display of what Eggman's capable of creating. A few more towers like that and he could likely transform an entire region of the planet into a reality bending zone. It's always cool to see what Eggman can come up with...whenever the writers remember he's suppose to have 300 IQ.
I've always wondered. where did the name KotyTang come from?
Maybe he really likes the drink named Tang.
To make a long story short;
PootieTang is an absolutely ridiculous movie from the early 00s with Lance Crouther, Chris Rock and a variety of other stars. In the movie the character PootieTang is one of the coolest most influential people in the world, and he’s incredible at everything he does. Even when he doesn’t speak the world listens.
An online friend of mine would call me KotyTang all the time after we realized we had both seen the movie. That’s been my online nickname ever since. This channel made it an official name I use.
Just to let you know after the puffs of smoke are destroyed robot like how he destroyed them in sonic 06 carrying Elise missions.
That was pointed out to me by somebody else, so my response is the same as that - they should have drawn that better to convey they were robots. Just add something like some bolts, robot pieces, anything.
Imagine this sonics reaction if someone were kill eggman hypothetically bruh.
We actually discussed that exact thing in the Discord. The majority of Sonic's fun would be coming from Eggman, so would he suddenly lose out on that? What evil would replace Eggman? What would Sonic do with his free-time? So many things to explore.
The thing with Tangle is she's an adrenaline junkie, anything with her tail she sees as an opportunity to catapult herself (or somebody else) for a thrill, whether its something on a need to basis or just for the ride. Which suits her pretty well.
Personally I liked Belle and was a nicely done play on Pinocchio. I think they wanted her in the comic to kind of represent the baggage Eggman has given to people, even though she's not evil, people still look at her with suspicion, even the heroes, because shes a product of Eggman. In a way I think its also a nod to the SATAM/Archie thing that also went over discriminating against robots/ai/robians, as much as they could do without straight up doing it.
I also will say the thing with Amy feels like a weird nitpick and also Amy is not a flyer like Tails nor is she any good at rebounding off surfaces like Sonic can, so her needing to be carried around those void spaces makes sense. It's a digital space so there is some leeway for how Tails can use his tails for lift.
This arc is more of a preamble to the Eggperial City/Imposter Syndrome arc which I think was really good. I think it will address some complaints you have about the comic so far. Though, I cannot disagree about the Restoration, the Restoration is probably the worst part of the comic imo. They just needed to tweak it a bit differently and give a better explanation, its being used as a easy to write convienance malt shop trope for the heroes and not much regard is given to how it actually works, even later on, they TRY to, but it's all window dressing.
I disagree with both points about Amy and Tails.
Amy has been shown to be a very capable fighter, and especially during her fight with Zomom. Amy was using her hammer to reach heights that most characters couldn’t reach without heavy effort or flat out flying, just to get away from the Zombots and Zomom. Amy has grown to be a heavy asset to the team, she’s not an incapable person.
As for Tails, the void alone is powerful enough to drag Sonic and Amy upwards, that is an incredible display of strength to just be stationary, and flying. Flying in places where gravity is wonky would be near impossible to navigate, he’d be flying upside, sideways, and even backwards.
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I am excited to check out the mini series though! Surge is one of the characters I’ve been waiting for a long time to see, so I’m ready to see how they write her character.
@ORLY911 The point of the Restoration is to be a Freedom Fighters analogue and also a heroic military faction.
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