People with learning difficulties are judged on their mental capacity not their mental age. Mental capacity is determined by a multitude of different factors regarding their ability process and retain information.
The MPH question reminds me of this time where I'm trying to explain alcohol % to my wife. I had a large twisted tea 24oz at 4% alcohol and she had a beer 12oz at 4% and she thought we were drinking the same amount of alcohol since it's both 4%. I tried explaining the volume size determines the amount of alcohol but she was not getting it. It was hilarious I eventually started to doubt myself.
If you only drank half the twisted tea she'd be correct. Or if she drank 2 beers. Or if you drank half of the tea, then you each shared the remaining 12oz. Or if she poured the tea into the beer And you guys both drank 18oz of the beer tea mix.
All you’d have to do is like draw lines on the sides of the cans Like no shade on your wife, but how hard is it to understand “half of a big thing is bigger than half of a small thing”
Honestly, I don't think that's as bad as the person who's above 21 and is still out here datin 16 year olds and lyin to them about his age. Destiny keeps sayin shit like "if we're operating in reality" when he should know damn well that this trans age shit is just pedos trying to see if they can self ID to see if they can get away with doing the shit that they wanna do to minors and or straight up children. I'm sorry if this is a slippery slope phalacy, but at certain point U do gotta agree with the rightoids when they say "wut about the children" or "don't you think that this person is lying so that they can get away with doing shitty things". If you wanna identify as an apache attack helicopter, I'd say that's fine, but just don't go around killing muslim children cuz then you'll unironically ruin the fun of that meme for everyone.
You're trying to dodge the issue. We may treat mentally disabled people in some ways similar to children, but not ALL ways because we recognize they AREN'T children. Like, we don't let disabled 30 year-old men attend normal grade/high school. No one chants "Disabled adults ARE children!" And no one chants "Trans women are like women in some ways!"
But those ways in which we don't treat them like adults are meaningless, they have to be under supervision, you cannot talk to them like you would another adult and you certainly cannot engage in sexual activity with them. We can't really send them to school but we do send to special centres with other children like them basically a kindergarten.
@@lampad4549 They're NOT meaningless, they're very similar to how we treat males differently from females. Mentally disabled people may be childLIKE in certain ways, but we absolutely recognize they aren't children.
@@lampad4549 These mfs (you and destiny) are simply incapable of distinguishing between something being treated a certain way and something being a certain thing
Age denotes how long someone has been alive. We generally classify people based on that because that’s typically the case. However, just because you may not mentally align with that age doesn’t make you “trans age”
@@Grumpini Sure it is. Hell, you can alter "time's" effect on you by moving faster. We did that experiment with the atomic clocks and the jet decades ago.
@@The2012Aceman It isn't. Just because a ball is thrown by a person doesn't mean the ball's trajectory is socially constructed. Something is socially constructed if it exists because of people's beliefs and perceptions. Trade and money for instance. The amount of time that physically passes for an individual is not determined by society or personal beliefs.
@@The2012Aceman TIME IS A FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICAL PROPERTY OF THE UNVIERSE IT'S NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT YOU DUMMY. OUR RELATIONSHIP TO TIME IS THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, ITS EXISTENCE IS NOT.
Man I'm used to agreeing with him, but Destiny's trans-age take is so fucking stupid. If someone has a mental disability that doesn't change anything about how old they are. Age doesn't indicate maturity necessarily either. There are not any standard changes that happen at exactly the same time for each person. We do assign responsibility based on how old you are and mentality handicapped people can be exempt but that doesn't change their age. We are saying that even though their age is 18, they still do not have the mental capacity. Like gender, destiny is placing too much meaning on age. This is why the left position on these issues are so off-putting. It just makes no fucking sense. Imagine trying to explain this to most of America, you will just seem insane.
It’s because he believes gender is how you present and how people treat you, not something biological, so he would view age through this social lens as well.
@@AkaiKnight I guess that's where I would disagree. I don't think Destiny even believes that. If a 22 year old was throwing a tantrum he wouldn't say they become 4 years old and then change back, he would say they are "acting" like a 4 year old.
@@xaece0174and what if a persons brain genuinely hasnt aged past 4 years old? Destiny believes there needs to be a fact of the matter behind these things. You can't just identify as something or switch or do whatever.
@@TunaIRL no, age is a measure of the time that has elapsed since an individual's birth, Destiny is refuting this by saying it is malleable and can change based on how you act. Hasbulla is 20 years old, but has the appearance of a 4 year old, this does not make him 4 years old. 20 years havd elapsed since his birth. If you would like another example of this, Lenny from of Mice and Men was a fully grown man with a mental disability. He had the mental capacity of a child even though 25+ years had passed since his birth. He is not 3 years old even though he acted like it.
If I’m trying to steelman destiny I’d probably say mental age // or maturity doesn’t exclusive fluctuate based on mental illness. The term IQ, stands for Intelligence Quotient, and initially used to be calculated as the ratio between a persons mental age and their chronological age. Obviously disabilities heavily impact IQ but there are fluctuations even amongst those without neurodevelopmental disorders. Basically a 200 iq meant you had double the ‘mental age’ and 10 iq meant you made 10 % of the progress that’s expected of your age. Obviously some people are born smarter and dumber, but there are cases of people achieving intellectual levels they weren’t born with/losing the ones they had (bolstering plasticity argument). The conclusive point is that, though it might be a shitty framework to view people, it explains how fundamental traits are shaped by both experience and genetics.
Destiny always goes full ret4rd mode on this trans topic for some reason, it’s infuriating. Around 9:20 his response to “why can’t you be 60” is “because there is an underlying fact of the matter in age, as there is in sexed brains” despite the fact that he himself, earlier in the video, said more research needed to be done and that we hardly know at all really. And yet a couple minutes later he describes it as a “fact” of the matter. For somebody who is so consistent on so many things, his ignorance on this topic is ridiculous.
Nobody thinks about disabled people when you say "tr@ns age" the immediate thought is an otherwise normal person identifying as the other. Destiny is stretching hard here.
its pretty telling that when your inbred conservative brain is confronted with an argument, your immediate reaction is to focus on the strawman of that argument. do you actually want to talk about what you disagree with destiny on or do you just want to hyperfocus on the surface level semantics of how “trans age” sounds stupid because of twitter dumbfucks?
Now Destiny's argument is Trans people have a different brain? He really has little consistency on this topic So we are back to XX chromosomes. A woman is of the sex capable of producing offspring,......or has the brain that is "sexed" like one 🤔
7:29 chatter says "how does this man not understand how embarrassing it is to be proud of a dunk on a college kid"- coming from a guy who is part of a community that venerates college-aged pseudo intellectual Twitch debaters
Not just that but at least Ben and the others don’t curate who opposes them or asks them questions. Destiny literally has a list of orbiters and whose allowed to come in and not and what they can talk about and then actively avoids people like Ryan Dawson, with copes such as “he’s a conspiracy theorist”. He really has zero room to ever talk.
@@zenleeparadise You do realize most of his orbiters are young to mid twenties? That a lot of the Twitch debate community are younger than 30? Or are you just being purposefully stupid?
That was probably one of Destinys dumbest takes. Quite rare for him to have a bad take at all so I'm surprised. Age is not equivalent to mental capacity. We do not all "believe in trans-agism". This is a reactionary take.
This is one of the rare times when destiny not only got something wrong, but then talked himself into sounding even more wrong. his argument was not compelling let alone answering a question.
Yes... just because we equivocate a mentally deficient individual to a 6 year old, doesn't mean we think they are ACTUALLY 6 years old. This argument is insane. So now we can't even draw comparisons in human society without the risk of the left thinking it actually is the thing...
Like the way you passed off "brain is sexed differently" as a scientific fact in order to treat it differently to any other identity disorder. without that sneaky slight of hand, the whole argument falls apart
He specifically said that more research was still needed, but that yeah, the brains of trans women are noticeably closer to the brains of cis women than of cis men in existing research.
@@lukeivan1 it’s definitely not proven that a man can have a “female brain” which is the implication here. It’s never been fully established what constitutes a “female brain”, much less showing that a man can have such a brain.
@@lukeivan1 Gender dysphoria isn't your brain being sexed differently. It is dysphoria around your real sex. Saying your brain is "sexed differently" isn't correct. Are there biological markers which distinguish between male and female brains? Do gender dysphoric people have the opposite sexes brain? If no, then they are not sexed differently.
Destiny gave the same argument for the original trans problem and can’t see the forest for the sake of the trees. “Age is a fact of the matter, you can’t just identify that away” “You have literal sex organs, you can’t just identify those away” “Trans people have a disconnect between their physical and mental sex” “Trans-age people have a disconnect between their physical and mental age” See how easy it is to justify literally anything you want once you accept that people can “identify” in any way that is not in line with reality.
i literally couldn’t believe my ears when i heard him make the “underlying fact of the matter” argument and not even realize that he’s contradicting his own idea
Having a disconnect between your physical and mental age is perfectly valid. As Destiny stated, it's called maturity. The only difference is that we as a society don't have any research into the consequences of identifying as a different age - people tend to grow out of their discomfort with aging or it simply doesn't have a big importance in their lives as a whole. The same can't be said about gender, which has medically studied effects on mental health when they aren't granted access to gender affirming care and transitional medication/surgery.
'' See how easy it is to justify literally anything you want once you accept that people can “identify” in any way that is not in line with reality '', his point was the opposite, that you can't just arbitrarily ascribe an identity to yourself without an underlying fact of the matter. The fact of the matter in question what causes the disconnection, in his arguments, in one case it is mental development/maturity and in the other it is the sexed inclination of the brain
@@MaskOfCinder First, I don't understand why you are debating ME when the argument is from Destiny. In any case, I think you should question his argument (or even to him directly, I think he would reply to your email if your argument is rigorous and interesting). Second, and this is about just one adjacent point that you mentioned, about the case of having distress from having two arms. If it is known that there is no therapy that is anything close to reducing this distress somewhat, but there is medication or even surgery, which could guarantee a notable increase in your quality of life, it obviously sounds reasonable to opt for that second option rather than the first. I think
@@MaskOfCinder There is actually a way to tell two people who think they're trans that one is right and the other is wrong, and doctors do it all the time. They use the criteria for diagnosing gender dysphoria.
I worked in a centre for people with disabilities. We were made very clear that they are adults with equal rights and not to be treated like children. For example voting was always a big thing because they have a voice and deserve to have it expressed and represent their interests, some smoked etc. They are adults of varying abilities not children
Destiny and the left will throw mentally challenged people under the bus to have the optics of owning Ben Shapiro and supporting trans ideology. They don't have values, just sacred cows
but the issue is that many people treat them as they were children because some cases present brain functions of that of a child. This is why we have consent forms for people with severe down syndrome for example, with them having to take tests once every decade or something that has questions like "sally gives you a cookie, do you have to have sex with them in return?". In cases where the person fails the test is it not natural to treat tham as a child?
@@williamparodygaming1545 Treating someone in a child like manner is possible while acknowledging they are an adult. A lot of physical disabled people need care comparable to an infant but they are not at all a child
@William Parody gaming we treat them as childlike, not as children. We don't allow them to simply be in the spaces as children, and we don't expect others to believe they are children. Just like a feminine man in a dress shouldn't be treated as a woman or be sinply allowed in women's spaces, however ladylike they are
Opening bit doesn't make sense imho. We don't see those people as having a different age; we treat people of some age as if they don't have adequate mental faculties & people with some disabilities as if they don't have adequate mental faculties. Part of treating them like that is absolving them of some responsibilities & privileges. I give money to vendors & beggars both. I am, contrary to what that reasoning would suggest, not treating any of the two as if they are the other one instead.
Wow the more I watch this video the more I think Destiny severely lacks understanding of Ben's position. Ben does believe it is a mental illness/disease and thinks that treatment is necessary; however, he doesn't think transition is the best treatment. He is either trying to misunderstand Ben or is approaching intentional ignorance of his positions.
@@xaece0174 Yes, if dysphoria exists in trans people because internally they are a different gender compared to their physical body, then some sort of transition towards the gender they are internally is required to alleviate or eliminate gender dysphoria in trans people.
Every psychologist and doctor has different opinion anyway about if it works or not. But evidence has shown this to be the best treatment overall. Some Cancer treatment can also not be the best treatment but is still necessary or treatment of choice over others at least. I think with the trans it’s also treatment of choice. Does Ben say what would be a better treatment for it? Because talk therapy etc. hasn’t been found to work well. Like therapy to accept the gender for example.
In my mid 20s I was going through a period of stagnation and wasn’t going anywhere in life and it caused a disaffect between i how I felt about myself and my physical age, I was a college drop out job hopping between shitty retail spots still living with my parents. I was 26 but I felt like I was 21 or 22, it wasn’t until I went back to school and got on with my life did the age I felt more or less caught up with my physical age
@@fifiadan that dovetails into the gender thing because a lot of gender based clothing/actions are based on what society expects. That's what I took away from this point at least.
bro is literally suggesting pseudoscientifically that trans people have a body of sex and the brain of the other. Then goes on to say that transgender research is new and we don't know much... which validates the concerns of the conservatives he vehemently insists are in the wrong
That part where he equated treating mentally disadvantaged as if they're of lesser age was the most spectacular piece of mental gymnastics I've ever seen anyone perform
Yeah..... First of all, these people don't "transition". Second of all, they have objectively existed for x amount of years, even if they have no brain at all.
It's not though. Anyone who's been a caretaker for someone with dementia will know; one of the tests they do gives an estimated age range that gives you an idea of their cognitive and maturity level.
Destiny has been taking a concerning amount of Ls lately, started with still being buddy buddy with sneako after the dude lied about Melina wanting to sleep with him and now this horrid take...
AOC has the brain capacity to make arguments? Thats a first ive heard about lmao. The only videos i can find are people doing google searches to factually corner AOC's talking points in 5 minutes.
I feel like trans people is one of the few topics where Destiny just completely loses the ability to argue in good faith and just goes off the rails making extreme examples nearly every time I hear him talk about it.
The argument is that the brain is sexed differently… isn’t the research super recent and suggestive rather than conclusive? I mean if we can conclusively determine the brain of someone then would we be like nah, your brain is male so you’re not a trans woman sorry?
6:53 'you cant identify as 9ft tall' ... EXACTLY you can't identify as something you simply are not.. so men cant identify as a woman.. LMAOO contradicting ur whole argument again 😂😂😂😂 pahahaha
8:06 Wait hold on a second Destiny, why are the only 2 logical responses to the illness claim either a) support the brain's sex and change the body or b) do nothing? If the brain has some sort of abnormality as you called it, wouldn't the most logical response be to try and correct the mental dysphoria? The abnormality isn't in the body. Would a clinical psychiatrist treat schizophrenia by supporting the patient's delusions and asking their friends/family to make them comfortable and seen in their delusion? Wouldn't treatment with a combination of talk therapy and medicine be more standard practice (for good reason I would argue)? Why wouldn't it be the same with gender dysphoria? Resorting to HRT and other physical remedies as a first option could be dangerous, as some who transition find their brain chemistry is not set in stone and no longer identify the same way later.
Having a preferential tendency for performative traits atypical of your sex is not a delusion, only if ones extends this as to actually claim that this makes them the opposite sex (different gonads/chromosomes then they really have) can you claim is it a "delusion". Schizophrenic delusions involve beliefs amd attitudes towards propositions, preferential tendencies for an alternate set of bodily traits doesn't. Are adults to get plastic surgery, tatoos, organ donations, etc all *inherently* delusional now? Well, if they claimed that getting a tatoo dragon made them a real dragon, then sure, but only then can we say are they stating a falsehood. I'd recommend you actually look into the empirics before making sweeping generalizations regarding conversion therapy outcomes for gender dysphoric patients and mental health outcomes of adult usage of hrt.
Destiny: "literally everyone believes in trans-age." Also Destiny: "you can't identify as a different age than you actually are." To repeat Ben's first question, do you hear yourself?
Cant help but feel as though you either didnt watch the full video or completely misunderstood what he was saying. To put it simply self identification of age is stupid and invalid however when we refer to trans ageism were not referring to ones physical age but more so their mental maturity and capabilities. For example someone with down syndrome may only have the maturity of an early teen or the iq of a child. Not many people on the left believe you can go around identifying yourself as whatever age you want
He’s separating the idea around emotional and intellectual maturity from physical age (the reference to how long someone’s been on the planet). In this country some people are subject to their rights being limited due to physical age “aka children” and we also limit rights to people with mental/emotional disabilities with some people being appointed guardians or institutionalizations. So like he wasn’t wrong he just didn’t explain the nuance correctly
Also he’s not supporting self id in any circumstance. It’s the state that determines age based and mental faculty based discrimination what is allowed and whose rights should be limited on a case by case scenario. Like we as a society already identify people whose physical age and mental faculties don’t align as “trans age” in a conceptual way.
@@alecmccay7548 it's the same tactic used in the transgender debate. Introducing concepts that have nothing to do with the core claim in order to muddy the waters, therefore make things that are common knowledge seem more ambiguous than they actually are. If you are 20, you are 20. Doesn't matter if someone acts like a 5 year old for whatever reason. If you are a man, you are a man. Doesn't matter if someone acts like a woman for whatever reason. The main distinction here being that unlike gender, age actually is on a spectrum. Making the transage claim more reasonable than transgender
@@jesserichards729 "Introducing concepts that have nothing to do with the core claim in order to muddy the waters" Or you could just, I don't know, actually engage with the concepts intellectually instead of being willfully obtuse and acting like you're 10 years old (not like your actual age, if you can try to understand the concept of acting a certain age). What about the age thing Destiny talked about did you not understand? Was it hard to grasp the difference between the number of years that has passed since you were born, and your mental ability/social maturity? Are you saying you can't tell the difference, or did you feel like Destiny wasn't clear enough on it? If so, I can pretty clearly see why you're having trouble keeping up with the trans debate, since that is a bit more complicated.
10:09 destiny is so bad faith in any video with Shapiro. Ben is an ultra smart lawyer. Yet destiny acts like he talking to sneako. Destiny finds it extremely hard to deal with good conservative ideas. He is more like a mid tier wrestler that only beats lower opponents. 10:12 lol he admitted he was doing it like 3 seconds later. Wow i just got baited so hard....
"everyone believes in transage" i mean, the way you explained it yes, kinda, but also age is a function of time passing (and all the aspects that come with it in terms of changes to your body). I think the point Benny Dawg was trying to say was people who are already grown up and choose to change age throughout their life. This is a semantics argument. I would love to chat about this but not in live x'D i dont want to lose my job to some of these trolls trying to dox me. . . uh.. ignore my username tho LOL
every video now a days... start video within 2 seconds "pauses video throws hands up grabs his face ' "HOLD ON!" dudes so tweeked on every videos seemed more stressed out now a days or somthing...
@@tcritt Not what he said. No one is making the argument for the state to force people to stay together. Back in the old days, you had to prove to a judge that marriage was over and that all aveunes to was reckon with i.e. family counselling.
20:00 Although this 80mph thing is quite funny, you guys should really hard think about a way to improve your school system. I feel like this is a question a 10 years old kid should get...
Wow this opening "actually people do believe in trans age because disability" take is comically atrocious. There isnt a single person on earth that looks at an 18 year old with severe downs syndrome and say "yeah that person is really 6." Destiny is so debate brained he will take objectively indefensable positions.
I suspect someone like Destiny has always very consistently criticized a state like Florida. There’s almost certainly an extremely specific reason why he moved there, unrelated to all of the bad shit.
@@reddillon8425 yeah less taxes. He’s said this before. That’s what infuriates me about progressives. They are all very much “do as I say not as I do” type people and I hate people like that.
Destiny seems to not understand that the Trans Age Ben is talking about is the extreme version of it aka. a 30 year old unironically believing theyre still a toddler
Destiny you are traversing into Vaush territory with your over confidence in being able to defend and explain transness or gender philosophically or some shit. Not AQUA levels bad, but still, not helping.
Destiny basically proves Shapiro's point here: Age identity actually is in many ways *more* valid than sex/gender identity because unlike sex, age is actually a spectrum and people do age at different rates, etc. So trans-ageism is actually more valid. Also, biological sex can be determined with at least the same degree of precision as we can with age. The idea of brain-body dualism is literally a religious concept that has nothing to do with science. The brain is part of the body, obviously. Destiny is correct to say that "age identity" would more accurately described as maturity, but the exact same thing is true of "gender identity": When a male says he feels like a female inside he's not saying he's *literally* a female. He's saying he's a feminine man. So the concept of "maturity" in this context is directly analogous to "masculinity" and "femininity" in the context of transgenderism. Using the analogy of age, the TRAs are basically arguing that a super immature 50-year-old man should be able to identify as, transition into, and be socially accepted as a 10-year-old boy, including-but-not-limited to playing children's sports and sharing spaces specifically designed for children.
7:36 I feel like Destiny really is misconstruing the conservative argument here. Conservatives aren't saying that it's a disease, they're saying that it's a mental illness. Therefore, according to them, it should not be treated as a disease (like cancer might be treated), but it should be treated like we treat other mental illnesses. When someone has depression we don't tell them to off themselves, we try to solve it by helping them accept themselves, work on themselves, and by psychiatrically medicating them. When a schizophrenic is convinced they need to cut off their arm we help that person fight the mental illness, but when a transgendered person says they need to cut off their dick we do not see any issue with it. Now I don't personally agree with what I just wrote, but I feel like that is a much stronger argument, and one that conservatives actually use so I would much rather see that argument being responded to.
I believe that gender dysmorphia is a real thing that is pretty rare. But I also think the current state of the trans experience is based on narcissism and a desperate need to be interesting
To be fair, Ben has talked about gender dysphoria being a real thing so i don't think he would disagree with Destiny on how trans people need healthcare. I think when he criticizes transgenderism he is just talking about the ideological aspect of it that the left has embraced. Even when the children are involved, he is talking about kids that are influenced into thinking they're trans when they actually aren't because of their parents, places like tik-tok and certain schools pushing this ideology.
Correct. Most conservatives acknowledge gender dysphoria. The left has ran with the ideology (because leftists always need a new civil rights fight) to obscure the meaning completely. It was the perfect vessel for people yearning to be victims to jump on board. Now "transgenderism" is spiking as this is clearly a social contagion. 99% of these people are not Trans, just narcissists
@@Blueline3691 to him it's mental disorder similar to people who really believe they are Napoleon, which is similar to how Trans people where treated up till like ten years ago, then smartphones connected a ton of people with autism who all got together and now there's a ideological movement...
Yeah, it's pretty sick that's some of these people who are trans or not are teaching gender dysphoria in schools, and I think it's happening with the little kids, I think. I don't hate trans people, but for the same reasons religion isn't in public schools, keep your trans religion to yourself.
Wow. Destiny proves that he's become completely incapable of good faith disagreement, while making one of the most legitimately dumb arguments he's ever made at the same time. Imagine trying to claim that huge statistical outliers like mentally stunted people is the same thing as "identifying as trans age". One one hand you have " a trans woman is actually a woman" , and on the other hand you have " this person has the mental capability relative to a person of this age". Destiny isn't a dumb guy... this is just pure bad faith rhetoric. It's really sad to see this guy transition from an intelligent, good faith actor seeking truth... into a bad faith establishment shill entirely focused on rhetoric
“ for trans people ‘the argument‘ Is that the brain is sex’d differently” That’s the “argument” & its nonsensical. No one “sex’d” differently. Every individual remains the same sex all their life. A male neurophysiology may be feminized, and a females neurophysiology may be masculinized in the womb, depending on the womb’s toxicity & their environment after birth. Sex is NOT a construct.
Wouldn't you just say the chemistry in someone's brain who's trans-age would just be different as well, like normal trans. That makes them believe their age younger than their physiological body.
@@MSilva-rq8vnI don’t think it would taken as seriously because it’d be all nurture vs transgenderism which has been pushed as being fully natural, although there is no conclusive evidence
No, because there aren’t those observable differences. When we say a trans person’s brain is sexed differently, that’s not some ambiguous maybe statement. Brains between men and women are observably different, what with the size of various parts like the amygdala being different. The only way someone’s brain could be younger than them is to be under developed, which is just having a mental disability.
Is there any persuasive evidence that brains could actually be sexed differently? Because so far for me it seems the person’s gender is mostly a social product, and the idea of transgender people actually having the brain of the opposite sex is a wishful thinking of sorts, proof for which we don’t have, but actually hope to find in the future.
@@TheEagleChristian Where they explain the difference then fail to give the slightest bit of evidence that men/women can have the others brain. Pseudo science.
>Is there any persuasive evidence that brains could actually be sexed differently? Assuming you mean brains being sexed differently than the rest of their body, no. Male brains and female brains are somewhat different, but we aren't sure how much of that is nature vs nurture because the brain is high in plasticity.
Because being trans is about gender identity. Identifying as an object, someone with 7 legs is not a valid form of gender identity. Gender identity is deeply rooted in a person's psychological, social, and biological makeup and identifying as a helicopter for example is a fantastical notion that is not grounded in reality. Gender identity is also a well established concept that is recognized by the medical and scientific community, and it is supported by extensive research and evidence. identifying as an object or an having 7 legs for example is is not a genuine form of identity. It’s not supported by any scientific evidence, and it is not a recognized concept in the medical or psychological fields. Its a fantastical notion that does not align with the reality of human biology and psychology.
@Cindyyyyyyyy it is a dysphoria and the're other froms of dysphoria. You can not support trans and then disqualify other dysphorias like age identity or color if you agree with gender identity. And once those other forms of dysphoria pick up pace, you will be labeled a phobic something, just like it's like fatphobic to call someone fat. So, rather choose your words carefully
@@kipapula6838 Would it be a logical contradiction for society to 'arbitrarily' decide, merely for utility, to designate some material referents as "currency" (i.e. copper, silver, etc.), while excluding others? No, because definitional claims are neither truth-apt nor stance-independent and thus not pigeonholed to this "universalizability" that you fallaciously assume.
Destiny is crazy dumb on most his arguments but this takes the cake. Any reasonable person -- whose not pandering to their left audience -- understands that a person's sex is WAY more baseline determinative (medically, sexually, socially, etc.) than someone's age. Not even close.
As a conservative, I acknowledge destiny as an intelligent and extremely well spoken person. Who is adept at responding and conveying his viewpoint. I don’t think he had the juice at all on this topic.
Its understandable to not get it the first or second time like lil pump did, sometimes you're just on autopilot. However not thinking it through when it's being broken down is kinda crazy. I wouldn't post this of my gf.
I'm sorry Destiny, but the argument you present at the start isn't good. Trans-Age is not a thing and we don't "sort of" trans-age people. When we use age in sentences like "Billy, despite 35 years old has the mental capacity of a 6 year old." or "You look like you're 20 years old!" we're using it not as a quality of the person, but a descriptor. Age is used as a crude benchmark for things like rights because you cannot individually assess every person in a society. It's a general rule of thumb, which is why courts do assign guardians, etc. So, no, trans age isn't a thing. It's mental health issues.
How could you ever know whether your male brain was in a female body? It is impossible to know because you can't actually experience the world as another person and compare. You can only know the world as you through your experience and your body is the only way through which you experience the world.
Really ironic Destinys chat even remotely talks about Ben dunking on college kids.. literally what they watch Destiny for at any given moment is for him to intellectually dunk on people.
@@ThePainkiller9995 I mean many who are intellectually 18, sure. His argument and comments on being "young and dumb" really seem to be more a reflection of his own experience. The problem with intellectual dunking isn't the age or experience of the dunked on party, its the fact that the audience craves the dunking in the first place. It's close mindedness before an argument even begins.
A better way to argue the transgender trans age thing is that older people cosmetically alter themselves to look younger befause they want to be attractive and to be perceived a certain way. Transgender girls want to be attractive seen a certain way, i.e looking like a girl so they cosmetically alter themselves to look that way. And because transgirls who successfully cosmetically slter themselves will be seen as female, or in other words sexually attractive to men, they become functionally indistinguishable from biological women in how society views them. With that said, there is no such thing as changing your sex, there are only two genders, and "sex reassignment surgery" is a barbaric practice.
22:05 - it is true though just fyi - nieces and nephews are collectively 'niblings', like how brothers and sisters are collectively 'siblings'. it's a fun little kinship term not many people know about
This is such a horrible take. If mentally challenged people can be "aged down", you could say that kids who are much smarter than average could be "aged up." That's the kind of argument a "MAP" would use. "Oh, sure, she's 12, but she's SUPER mature for her age, you just don't understand!" Disgusting.
Destiny doesn't think at all anymore since he can post himself saying any dumb shit and he'll make money and have a ton of young, ignorant, sycophants of himself and trans hysteria hype him uo for it. Too much success is an e-intellectual's(LMAO) bane
That's already true, to a degree. Growing up, I knew a kid who got emancipated at 17 and he was able to get himself an apartment. I'm a fan of your videos, but you're reaching here.
No because intelligence and maturity are two different things. 18 is also an artificial limit were we deem most people to be competent enough to consent. If we wanted to go biology 25 may be a more scientific age as that's when most brains are done developing their frontal cortex. A 13 year old could be as matures as an 18 year old but there's no reliable way to test that. If a 7 year old is as intelligent as a 16 year old then they will take higher level courses that challenge them.
We don't "age people down", but we do treat them differently. My grandma had dementia and we definitely couldn't treat her like her old self. If we didn't people would get hurt. If we treat a man that wants to be a woman, as a woman, who's getting hurt?
So if you have the brain of the opposite sex, wouldn’t that brain also produce the hormones of the opposite sex? You can’t really disconnect the brain from the body - that is the basis of physiology. Genuinely interested in the argument you are posing, and I love the content
I can understand the "riddle" being confusing at first even if you completely understand how speed works. Its kinda like the "yes/eyes" spelling riddle. But this lady was on a whole new level lmao she was making a whole bunch of solutions and even argued against the answer when it was straight up given to her.
Age is number associated with the number of revolutions around the sun the earth has taken since some arbitrary point of dilineation in your development. It is used as a short hand for the social aspects of maturity. It can be used as a predictor of the individuals physical condition. People can act more mature or less mature than expected and have a body in worse or better condition than expected.
So the example on treating adults who aren’t mentally matched to their age, that’s not trans age, nor do people even refer that condition to that word. Trans means to transition. No one’s transitioning from 30 to 6. Trans people make an active decision to transition from one thing to the next. Be it gender, sex, etc.
Worst take. Treating someone differently because their intellectual or rational capacity is impaired is not the same as believing that the person with the impaired faculty is 6 years old. This is nearly the exact same thing Kelly did in the grape debate "oh look at this edge case of a person in a wheel chair, your position is invalid"
Yes and treating a trans woman differently because of their gender identity is not the same as believing they have female sex organs. Thats kinda the point, in both scenarios you are treating them according to their mental state instead of their biology. Seems like a pretty good analogy to me.
7:23 "how does Ben not realize how embarassing it is to bring a dunk on a college kid" -Implying 80% of Destiny's career isn't debating 23-year-olds online on this exact topic.
You're saying age is based on the repetition of the earth go around the Sun but Ben could say the same thing about sex that it is a repeating biological process and gender is the best predictions of behavior that we try to make based on that repeating binary process.
I believe that if we had a sudden worldwide catastrophe like a comet hitting the planet that the survivors would suddenly stop caring about transvestites overnight. I kind of think that's what we need at this point in order to restore sanity.
I'm so glad Ben (my wife is a doctor) Shapiro keeps using age as an example , it is a wonderful way to explain sex vs gender. Numeric age is immutable. Time is fixed. Demographics are fluid. they change from culture to culture, state to state. IE the parameters around "adult", "child", "minor", "senior" etc are inconsistent. 16 year old is a minor in the USA, in other countries they are adults. a 17 year old can give consent in ny state, in other states they cant. Age:Demographic - Sex:Gender. One is fixed, the other is fluid. Thanks Ben!! dope.
It’s weird, it feels like Destiny is getting bogged down in his positions in a way that I didn’t think he used to. Suing Disney is weird because it’s a historically significant company? What kind of argument is that?
The point of that argument is that the arrangement has been going on for decades, it's obvious that republicans don't give a shit about most of the things they're virtue signaling about re "Disney shouldn't play by its own rules". They're assmad about Disney going against their "Cultural Norms", which is the start and end of their true principle based grievances. Destiny is saying it's "weird" that they're doing this only now, if they genuinely believed the things they purport to while making a stand against Disney for here.
Even if I grant "trans age is a thing", still.. nobody get upset if you refer to a special needs person as their BIOLOGICAL age. Nobody calls it violence to do so. Nobody suggests we give special needs people surgery to look like a 10 year old. Nobody is enforcing that we have to see them as a child. Treating two things similarly does not make those things the same. A special needs person has situations in which they are treated SIMILARLY to a child, but we don't say they are a child. If that's the argument, the actual discussion is how do we treat them socially and medically. God forbid some of us be a bit concerned about sketchy permanent medical procedures...
Believing you are in the wrong body is definitionally a mental illness. Much like a paranoid person, we need to treat them with love, and part of loving them is being real with them about their condition.
If your brain is sexed differently to your body, why would you change your brain? Your brain is who you are. Your body can't change in a million ways and you'll still be you.
Imagine having sex with someone, and after you finish, they tell you that they identify as a minor
Could be worse. You could finish and they say they identify as older and they are actually a minor
Better get their ID before and take a picture of it
Well people are calling themselves a "21 year old baby" now so it wouldn't surprise me
@@Cindyy646 Next thing people will say is their ID is micro aggressing them by saying what their real age is ahahaha
@@frankmarano1118 crazy thing is that in 5 years someone will say this unironically
did you really put the start of the video as the intro so we watch it twice within a minute?
Mans August dont know what he doing
Hahaha I noticed that but doesn’t he have an editor ?
Right lmfao😂
@@NaughtyLittleGemhe's talking bout the editor hun
@@AppalachianLumberjack oh ok
That slurp after saying "age is a number "was ludicrous 😂
His true self came out
he's a clown
he forgot jail is just a place :)
Caught MY attention 🤨
He got some extra saliva output and intake
wow, Destiny comment section is based for once
more based than the one in jordan peterson
People with learning difficulties are judged on their mental capacity not their mental age. Mental capacity is determined by a multitude of different factors regarding their ability process and retain information.
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
Mental capacity and mental age are virtually defined as the same thing in this context
"Age is just a number." So is a prison sentence.
@@gleebybooeroh, got em bro!!!!!!!’ 😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤
Prison is just a building. A cell is just a room.
@@skud9999 A shank a shank.
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
I believe that far leftists will use something like this argument to justify pedophilia.
The MPH question reminds me of this time where I'm trying to explain alcohol % to my wife.
I had a large twisted tea 24oz at 4% alcohol and she had a beer 12oz at 4% and she thought we were drinking the same amount of alcohol since it's both 4%.
I tried explaining the volume size determines the amount of alcohol but she was not getting it.
It was hilarious I eventually started to doubt myself.
Hopefully you recorded that, it would be funny to show her that once she got it right
If you only drank half the twisted tea she'd be correct.
Or if she drank 2 beers.
Or if you drank half of the tea, then you each shared the remaining 12oz.
Or if she poured the tea into the beer
And you guys both drank 18oz of the beer tea mix.
I'm guessing she already drank a few by the time you started having the conversation
All you’d have to do is like draw lines on the sides of the cans
Like no shade on your wife, but how hard is it to understand “half of a big thing is bigger than half of a small thing”
you drank 0.96 ounces of alcohol and she drank 0.48 punces of alcohol end of story
I was 21 years old when I was 16. I even had a fake driver's license that told bouncers at the bars that I was 21.
Did that make you 21?
Congrats on passing and being socially recognized as a 21 year old i guess 😂
yea ask Akon about that....
Honestly, I don't think that's as bad as the person who's above 21 and is still out here datin 16 year olds and lyin to them about his age. Destiny keeps sayin shit like "if we're operating in reality" when he should know damn well that this trans age shit is just pedos trying to see if they can self ID to see if they can get away with doing the shit that they wanna do to minors and or straight up children. I'm sorry if this is a slippery slope phalacy, but at certain point U do gotta agree with the rightoids when they say "wut about the children" or "don't you think that this person is lying so that they can get away with doing shitty things". If you wanna identify as an apache attack helicopter, I'd say that's fine, but just don't go around killing muslim children cuz then you'll unironically ruin the fun of that meme for everyone.
but you werent actually a 21 year old person
You're trying to dodge the issue. We may treat mentally disabled people in some ways similar to children, but not ALL ways because we recognize they AREN'T children. Like, we don't let disabled 30 year-old men attend normal grade/high school. No one chants "Disabled adults ARE children!" And no one chants "Trans women are like women in some ways!"
a 30 year old man attending high school carries a lot of problems, you addressing a trans woman as a woman does not. You're just being pedantic
But those ways in which we don't treat them like adults are meaningless, they have to be under supervision, you cannot talk to them like you would another adult and you certainly cannot engage in sexual activity with them. We can't really send them to school but we do send to special centres with other children like them basically a kindergarten.
@@lampad4549 They're NOT meaningless, they're very similar to how we treat males differently from females.
Mentally disabled people may be childLIKE in certain ways, but we absolutely recognize they aren't children.
@@lampad4549 These mfs (you and destiny) are simply incapable of distinguishing between something being treated a certain way and something being a certain thing
destiny has never heard the terms "IQ level" and "Cognition level". "just treat em all like they are 6!" fuckin bizarre ass take
Age denotes how long someone has been alive. We generally classify people based on that because that’s typically the case. However, just because you may not mentally align with that age doesn’t make you “trans age”
But what if they've lived their whole life on somewhere other than Earth. Does that alter their age? Time is a social construct.
@@The2012Aceman TIME IS NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT LMFAO
@@Grumpini Sure it is. Hell, you can alter "time's" effect on you by moving faster. We did that experiment with the atomic clocks and the jet decades ago.
@@The2012Aceman It isn't. Just because a ball is thrown by a person doesn't mean the ball's trajectory is socially constructed. Something is socially constructed if it exists because of people's beliefs and perceptions. Trade and money for instance. The amount of time that physically passes for an individual is not determined by society or personal beliefs.
@@The2012Aceman TIME IS A FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICAL PROPERTY OF THE UNVIERSE IT'S NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT YOU DUMMY.
OUR RELATIONSHIP TO TIME IS THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, ITS EXISTENCE IS NOT.
Man I'm used to agreeing with him, but Destiny's trans-age take is so fucking stupid. If someone has a mental disability that doesn't change anything about how old they are. Age doesn't indicate maturity necessarily either. There are not any standard changes that happen at exactly the same time for each person. We do assign responsibility based on how old you are and mentality handicapped people can be exempt but that doesn't change their age. We are saying that even though their age is 18, they still do not have the mental capacity. Like gender, destiny is placing too much meaning on age. This is why the left position on these issues are so off-putting. It just makes no fucking sense. Imagine trying to explain this to most of America, you will just seem insane.
It’s because he believes gender is how you present and how people treat you, not something biological, so he would view age through this social lens as well.
@@AkaiKnight I guess that's where I would disagree. I don't think Destiny even believes that. If a 22 year old was throwing a tantrum he wouldn't say they become 4 years old and then change back, he would say they are "acting" like a 4 year old.
@@xaece0174and what if a persons brain genuinely hasnt aged past 4 years old? Destiny believes there needs to be a fact of the matter behind these things. You can't just identify as something or switch or do whatever.
@@TunaIRL no, age is a measure of the time that has elapsed since an individual's birth, Destiny is refuting this by saying it is malleable and can change based on how you act. Hasbulla is 20 years old, but has the appearance of a 4 year old, this does not make him 4 years old. 20 years havd elapsed since his birth. If you would like another example of this, Lenny from of Mice and Men was a fully grown man with a mental disability. He had the mental capacity of a child even though 25+ years had passed since his birth. He is not 3 years old even though he acted like it.
If I’m trying to steelman destiny I’d probably say mental age // or maturity doesn’t exclusive fluctuate based on mental illness. The term IQ, stands for Intelligence Quotient, and initially used to be calculated as the ratio between a persons mental age and their chronological age. Obviously disabilities heavily impact IQ but there are fluctuations even amongst those without neurodevelopmental disorders. Basically a 200 iq meant you had double the ‘mental age’ and 10 iq meant you made 10 % of the progress that’s expected of your age. Obviously some people are born smarter and dumber, but there are cases of people achieving intellectual levels they weren’t born with/losing the ones they had (bolstering plasticity argument). The conclusive point is that, though it might be a shitty framework to view people, it explains how fundamental traits are shaped by both experience and genetics.
False. We treat adults with disabilities like adults with disabilities. Their adult rights are codified by law.
The amount of "okay" per minute is an indicative that Destiny isnt very well prepared to a subject
Gottem
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
Interesting how much you comment on Destiny videos though. Thanks for the algorithm boosts
This is a fucking sick world. Theres no where to escape . Theres a social contagion going on
There will be a mass exodus from the west should this continue
Destiny always goes full ret4rd mode on this trans topic for some reason, it’s infuriating.
Around 9:20 his response to “why can’t you be 60” is “because there is an underlying fact of the matter in age, as there is in sexed brains” despite the fact that he himself, earlier in the video, said more research needed to be done and that we hardly know at all really. And yet a couple minutes later he describes it as a “fact” of the matter. For somebody who is so consistent on so many things, his ignorance on this topic is ridiculous.
Yeah it's frustrating. He's already walked a lot of the crazy shit from the past back but he still has work to do.
Nobody thinks about disabled people when you say "tr@ns age" the immediate thought is an otherwise normal person identifying as the other. Destiny is stretching hard here.
No he's not
no shit bro that's why he's saying it. he's saying that the term is absurd but we already accept some version of it comparable to trans-gender
@@61pokepi It's not "trans age" it's mental retardation that we accept. Destiny has conflated the two, perhaps wisely
its pretty telling that when your inbred conservative brain is confronted with an argument, your immediate reaction is to focus on the strawman of that argument. do you actually want to talk about what you disagree with destiny on or do you just want to hyperfocus on the surface level semantics of how “trans age” sounds stupid because of twitter dumbfucks?
@@DavisJ-ln6fw DDGer detected
Now Destiny's argument is Trans people have a different brain? He really has little consistency on this topic
So we are back to XX chromosomes. A woman is of the sex capable of producing offspring,......or has the brain that is "sexed" like one 🤔
7:29 chatter says "how does this man not understand how embarrassing it is to be proud of a dunk on a college kid"- coming from a guy who is part of a community that venerates college-aged pseudo intellectual Twitch debaters
Destiny isn't college aged lmao
Not just that but at least Ben and the others don’t curate who opposes them or asks them questions. Destiny literally has a list of orbiters and whose allowed to come in and not and what they can talk about and then actively avoids people like Ryan Dawson, with copes such as “he’s a conspiracy theorist”. He really has zero room to ever talk.
@@zenleeparadise You do realize most of his orbiters are young to mid twenties? That a lot of the Twitch debate community are younger than 30?
Or are you just being purposefully stupid?
That was probably one of Destinys dumbest takes. Quite rare for him to have a bad take at all so I'm surprised.
Age is not equivalent to mental capacity. We do not all "believe in trans-agism".
This is a reactionary take.
Literally not what he said, he even said it makes no sense to claim to be a different age
@@hrs9018 You need to listen to the clip again.
“All of us beieve trans age is real”
Me: nah dawg… that’s a “y’all thang”
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans……
@@SuperiorRobyn 😂😂😂
“Age is just a number”
-R. Kelly
-Destiny
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans…..
It really is a just a number maturity isn't
I thought R Kelly’s argument was “I thought they were all 18!”
This is one of the rare times when destiny not only got something wrong, but then talked himself into sounding even more wrong. his argument was not compelling let alone answering a question.
Yes... just because we equivocate a mentally deficient individual to a 6 year old, doesn't mean we think they are ACTUALLY 6 years old. This argument is insane. So now we can't even draw comparisons in human society without the risk of the left thinking it actually is the thing...
for what
@@onlyeveryone2253 probably the trans age thing
@@tvnggg probably
@@tvnggg for sure. This was a sh7t take. Trans everything is basically what these folks are saying now. What could go wrong
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Like the way you passed off "brain is sexed differently" as a scientific fact in order to treat it differently to any other identity disorder. without that sneaky slight of hand, the whole argument falls apart
Maybe I don't understand your point but is it really 'sleight oh hand' to acknowledge gender dysphoria as a generally agreed upon condition?
@luke ivan there's not broad agreement that it's because the brain is sexxed differently, I'm pretty sure
He specifically said that more research was still needed, but that yeah, the brains of trans women are noticeably closer to the brains of cis women than of cis men in existing research.
@@lukeivan1 it’s definitely not proven that a man can have a “female brain” which is the implication here. It’s never been fully established what constitutes a “female brain”, much less showing that a man can have such a brain.
@@lukeivan1 Gender dysphoria isn't your brain being sexed differently. It is dysphoria around your real sex. Saying your brain is "sexed differently" isn't correct. Are there biological markers which distinguish between male and female brains? Do gender dysphoric people have the opposite sexes brain? If no, then they are not sexed differently.
Destiny gave the same argument for the original trans problem and can’t see the forest for the sake of the trees. “Age is a fact of the matter, you can’t just identify that away”
“You have literal sex organs, you can’t just identify those away”
“Trans people have a disconnect between their physical and mental sex”
“Trans-age people have a disconnect between their physical and mental age”
See how easy it is to justify literally anything you want once you accept that people can “identify” in any way that is not in line with reality.
i literally couldn’t believe my ears when i heard him make the “underlying fact of the matter” argument and not even realize that he’s contradicting his own idea
Having a disconnect between your physical and mental age is perfectly valid. As Destiny stated, it's called maturity. The only difference is that we as a society don't have any research into the consequences of identifying as a different age - people tend to grow out of their discomfort with aging or it simply doesn't have a big importance in their lives as a whole. The same can't be said about gender, which has medically studied effects on mental health when they aren't granted access to gender affirming care and transitional medication/surgery.
'' See how easy it is to justify literally anything you want once you accept that people can “identify” in any way that is not in line with reality '', his point was the opposite, that you can't just arbitrarily ascribe an identity to yourself without an underlying fact of the matter. The fact of the matter in question what causes the disconnection, in his arguments, in one case it is mental development/maturity and in the other it is the sexed inclination of the brain
@@MaskOfCinder First, I don't understand why you are debating ME when the argument is from Destiny. In any case, I think you should question his argument (or even to him directly, I think he would reply to your email if your argument is rigorous and interesting).
Second, and this is about just one adjacent point that you mentioned, about the case of having distress from having two arms. If it is known that there is no therapy that is anything close to reducing this distress somewhat, but there is medication or even surgery, which could guarantee a notable increase in your quality of life, it obviously sounds reasonable to opt for that second option rather than the first. I think
@@MaskOfCinder There is actually a way to tell two people who think they're trans that one is right and the other is wrong, and doctors do it all the time. They use the criteria for diagnosing gender dysphoria.
I worked in a centre for people with disabilities. We were made very clear that they are adults with equal rights and not to be treated like children. For example voting was always a big thing because they have a voice and deserve to have it expressed and represent their interests, some smoked etc. They are adults of varying abilities not children
Thank you for saying this!
Destiny and the left will throw mentally challenged people under the bus to have the optics of owning Ben Shapiro and supporting trans ideology. They don't have values, just sacred cows
but the issue is that many people treat them as they were children because some cases present brain functions of that of a child. This is why we have consent forms for people with severe down syndrome for example, with them having to take tests once every decade or something that has questions like "sally gives you a cookie, do you have to have sex with them in return?". In cases where the person fails the test is it not natural to treat tham as a child?
@@williamparodygaming1545 Treating someone in a child like manner is possible while acknowledging they are an adult.
A lot of physical disabled people need care comparable to an infant but they are not at all a child
@William Parody gaming we treat them as childlike, not as children. We don't allow them to simply be in the spaces as children, and we don't expect others to believe they are children. Just like a feminine man in a dress shouldn't be treated as a woman or be sinply allowed in women's spaces, however ladylike they are
Riiiight in my FEEEED
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans……
Opening bit doesn't make sense imho. We don't see those people as having a different age; we treat people of some age as if they don't have adequate mental faculties & people with some disabilities as if they don't have adequate mental faculties. Part of treating them like that is absolving them of some responsibilities & privileges.
I give money to vendors & beggars both. I am, contrary to what that reasoning would suggest, not treating any of the two as if they are the other one instead.
Wow the more I watch this video the more I think Destiny severely lacks understanding of Ben's position. Ben does believe it is a mental illness/disease and thinks that treatment is necessary; however, he doesn't think transition is the best treatment. He is either trying to misunderstand Ben or is approaching intentional ignorance of his positions.
Then ben needs to show the alternative treatment.
Spoiler alert: it does not exist.
@@aaahelpaaa9664 do you think that transition is the only response to gender dysphoria?
@@xaece0174 Yes, if dysphoria exists in trans people because internally they are a different gender compared to their physical body, then some sort of transition towards the gender they are internally is required to alleviate or eliminate gender dysphoria in trans people.
@@fiftytwo8182 would you feel the same for other types of dysphoria
Every psychologist and doctor has different opinion anyway about if it works or not. But evidence has shown this to be the best treatment overall. Some Cancer treatment can also not be the best treatment but is still necessary or treatment of choice over others at least. I think with the trans it’s also treatment of choice. Does Ben say what would be a better treatment for it? Because talk therapy etc. hasn’t been found to work well. Like therapy to accept the gender for example.
I've never heard someone's level of maturity described as "trans age", but I guess it kinda fits if I squint my eyes and tilt my head.
It is the same thing, but it isn't sensationalized so we use different words for it.
13:30 I love this idea. Also as soon as any guest says they have a high IQ have the "stop the cap" siren go off regardless of their actual IQ .
I mean if you had a high IQ you wouldn't go on the show
He should seriously do it.
It's funny to imply that this would be anywhere near the same since women are more privileged.
We can pretend like it's the same though.
The frat bro F&F bit is fucking hilarious
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
In my mid 20s I was going through a period of stagnation and wasn’t going anywhere in life and it caused a disaffect between i how I felt about myself and my physical age, I was a college drop out job hopping between shitty retail spots still living with my parents. I was 26 but I felt like I was 21 or 22, it wasn’t until I went back to school and got on with my life did the age I felt more or less caught up with my physical age
i know the feeling, but it’s more about progress and the age associated with that rather than age itself.
Imagine if you felt that way at 12 and you thought it means you're a girl so they out you on puberty blockers and sterilize you
I'm glad getting scammed helped you get over your age dysphoria
@@zenleeparadise haha gottem!
@@fifiadan that dovetails into the gender thing because a lot of gender based clothing/actions are based on what society expects. That's what I took away from this point at least.
This take is laughably bad. Also, “trans peoples brains are different cause ummm I just feel like they are ok”
bro is literally suggesting pseudoscientifically that trans people have a body of sex and the brain of the other. Then goes on to say that transgender research is new and we don't know much... which validates the concerns of the conservatives he vehemently insists are in the wrong
Brain sex? 🤣🤣🤣 PLEASE provide scientific evidence of this I’ll be waiting.
That part where he equated treating mentally disadvantaged as if they're of lesser age was the most spectacular piece of mental gymnastics I've ever seen anyone perform
True, doesn't make sense
It's fair since trans people are so mentally disadvantaged
You're perfoming mental gymnastics.
Yeah..... First of all, these people don't "transition". Second of all, they have objectively existed for x amount of years, even if they have no brain at all.
It's not though. Anyone who's been a caretaker for someone with dementia will know; one of the tests they do gives an estimated age range that gives you an idea of their cognitive and maturity level.
Destiny has been taking a concerning amount of Ls lately, started with still being buddy buddy with sneako after the dude lied about Melina wanting to sleep with him and now this horrid take...
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
I clicked off of “Ben Shapiro gets reamed by AOC” so fast for this video it’s unreal
Ben Shapiro gets rimmed by AOC
@@rocknrolan7371 what's rimming? 🤨
@@danielsurvivor1372 its where you put salt around the rim of glass of alchohol, aoc used to be a bartender.
AOC has the brain capacity to make arguments? Thats a first ive heard about lmao. The only videos i can find are people doing google searches to factually corner AOC's talking points in 5 minutes.
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans……
I feel like trans people is one of the few topics where Destiny just completely loses the ability to argue in good faith and just goes off the rails making extreme examples nearly every time I hear him talk about it.
how did he show off bad faith in this video?
I agree Davin. I thought this tendency was especially pronounced when he called Abigail Thorn a transtrender just because she had a different opinion.
The argument is that the brain is sexed differently… isn’t the research super recent and suggestive rather than conclusive? I mean if we can conclusively determine the brain of someone then would we be like nah, your brain is male so you’re not a trans woman sorry?
6:53 'you cant identify as 9ft tall' ... EXACTLY you can't identify as something you simply are not.. so men cant identify as a woman.. LMAOO contradicting ur whole argument again 😂😂😂😂 pahahaha
I don't believe in trans age.
8:06 Wait hold on a second Destiny, why are the only 2 logical responses to the illness claim either a) support the brain's sex and change the body or b) do nothing? If the brain has some sort of abnormality as you called it, wouldn't the most logical response be to try and correct the mental dysphoria? The abnormality isn't in the body. Would a clinical psychiatrist treat schizophrenia by supporting the patient's delusions and asking their friends/family to make them comfortable and seen in their delusion? Wouldn't treatment with a combination of talk therapy and medicine be more standard practice (for good reason I would argue)? Why wouldn't it be the same with gender dysphoria? Resorting to HRT and other physical remedies as a first option could be dangerous, as some who transition find their brain chemistry is not set in stone and no longer identify the same way later.
Exactly, especially for kids and teens.
Having a preferential tendency for performative traits atypical of your sex is not a delusion, only if ones extends this as to actually claim that this makes them the opposite sex (different gonads/chromosomes then they really have) can you claim is it a "delusion". Schizophrenic delusions involve beliefs amd attitudes towards propositions, preferential tendencies for an alternate set of bodily traits doesn't. Are adults to get plastic surgery, tatoos, organ donations, etc all *inherently* delusional now? Well, if they claimed that getting a tatoo dragon made them a real dragon, then sure, but only then can we say are they stating a falsehood. I'd recommend you actually look into the empirics before making sweeping generalizations regarding conversion therapy outcomes for gender dysphoric patients and mental health outcomes of adult usage of hrt.
Destiny: "literally everyone believes in trans-age."
Also Destiny: "you can't identify as a different age than you actually are."
To repeat Ben's first question, do you hear yourself?
Cant help but feel as though you either didnt watch the full video or completely misunderstood what he was saying. To put it simply self identification of age is stupid and invalid however when we refer to trans ageism were not referring to ones physical age but more so their mental maturity and capabilities. For example someone with down syndrome may only have the maturity of an early teen or the iq of a child. Not many people on the left believe you can go around identifying yourself as whatever age you want
He’s separating the idea around emotional and intellectual maturity from physical age (the reference to how long someone’s been on the planet). In this country some people are subject to their rights being limited due to physical age “aka children” and we also limit rights to people with mental/emotional disabilities with some people being appointed guardians or institutionalizations. So like he wasn’t wrong he just didn’t explain the nuance correctly
Also he’s not supporting self id in any circumstance. It’s the state that determines age based and mental faculty based discrimination what is allowed and whose rights should be limited on a case by case scenario. Like we as a society already identify people whose physical age and mental faculties don’t align as “trans age” in a conceptual way.
@@alecmccay7548 it's the same tactic used in the transgender debate. Introducing concepts that have nothing to do with the core claim in order to muddy the waters, therefore make things that are common knowledge seem more ambiguous than they actually are. If you are 20, you are 20. Doesn't matter if someone acts like a 5 year old for whatever reason. If you are a man, you are a man. Doesn't matter if someone acts like a woman for whatever reason. The main distinction here being that unlike gender, age actually is on a spectrum. Making the transage claim more reasonable than transgender
@@jesserichards729 "Introducing concepts that have nothing to do with the core claim in order to muddy the waters"
Or you could just, I don't know, actually engage with the concepts intellectually instead of being willfully obtuse and acting like you're 10 years old (not like your actual age, if you can try to understand the concept of acting a certain age).
What about the age thing Destiny talked about did you not understand? Was it hard to grasp the difference between the number of years that has passed since you were born, and your mental ability/social maturity? Are you saying you can't tell the difference, or did you feel like Destiny wasn't clear enough on it?
If so, I can pretty clearly see why you're having trouble keeping up with the trans debate, since that is a bit more complicated.
destiny is stuck in 2016 well meaning liberal talking points without realizing his side has completely changed 🤣
10:09 destiny is so bad faith in any video with Shapiro. Ben is an ultra smart lawyer. Yet destiny acts like he talking to sneako. Destiny finds it extremely hard to deal with good conservative ideas. He is more like a mid tier wrestler that only beats lower opponents.
10:12 lol he admitted he was doing it like 3 seconds later. Wow i just got baited so hard....
August being Australian suits my schedule just fine
I’m just up at 4 am 😅
Yeah works for me
As a European it fits my night shift schedule perfectly lol
Greetings from the literal opposite end of the world.
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
@@SuperiorRobynscrew you hater
I’m glad the teaser was the first moment of the video XD
"everyone believes in transage" i mean, the way you explained it yes, kinda, but also age is a function of time passing (and all the aspects that come with it in terms of changes to your body). I think the point Benny Dawg was trying to say was people who are already grown up and choose to change age throughout their life. This is a semantics argument. I would love to chat about this but not in live x'D i dont want to lose my job to some of these trolls trying to dox me. . . uh.. ignore my username tho LOL
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
But that's what destiny also ment a technicality
Politics content, mashallah 🙏🙏🙏
>one question
>54 minute video
the memes write themselves really
We are all trans age, a few weeks ago I transitioned from being 31 to being 32, I am 2/5 of the way through my 5 year plan to transition to being 35.
😂😂😂
Mad funny
I am definitely trans age
Im so sick of hearing the words trans and and pronouns, makes me sick to my stomach.
every video now a days... start video within 2 seconds "pauses video throws hands up grabs his face ' "HOLD ON!" dudes so tweeked on every videos seemed more stressed out now a days or somthing...
I actually agree with Crowder, if you have kids no fault divorces should not be option you have.
You think the state should force a woman to stay married to you? Lol.
@@tcritt Not what he said. No one is making the argument for the state to force people to stay together. Back in the old days, you had to prove to a judge that marriage was over and that all aveunes to was reckon with i.e. family counselling.
Sanest August edit
20:00 Although this 80mph thing is quite funny, you guys should really hard think about a way to improve your school system. I feel like this is a question a 10 years old kid should get...
19:18 greatest segment in the whole video. This dude has the patience of a saint🤣
But it’s all worth it to exploit his gf 🤷♀️
@@SoftChroma This is last thing we need to be complaining about, these stupid questions are always around.
I'm breaking up with you.
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
@Josh R The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
This comment section is proof that Destiny community has become significantly more right ring lol.
Yep
Just because someone doesn't agree with the trans agenda doesn't make them right wing, you weirdo.
Thankfully
so based
“Your brain has a sex” bro science. Destiny usually looks things up but I guess he doesn’t feel like he has to here?
It’s called a biased blind spot bc he knows he can’t argue the point.
Wow this opening "actually people do believe in trans age because disability" take is comically atrocious. There isnt a single person on earth that looks at an 18 year old with severe downs syndrome and say "yeah that person is really 6." Destiny is so debate brained he will take objectively indefensable positions.
Imagine moving to Florida and then having to criticize the state weeks later when it becomes politically inconvenient.
I suspect someone like Destiny has always very consistently criticized a state like Florida. There’s almost certainly an extremely specific reason why he moved there, unrelated to all of the bad shit.
@@reddillon8425 yeah less taxes. He’s said this before. That’s what infuriates me about progressives. They are all very much “do as I say not as I do” type people and I hate people like that.
Destiny's cognitive dissonance is hilarious
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
well spoken, he really is smart, so when you combine it with cognitive dissonance, it indeed is hilarious !!!
this is one of his few areas of cognitive dissonance bc he doesn’t want to offend trans women in his audience
Destiny seems to not understand that the Trans Age Ben is talking about is the extreme version of it
aka. a 30 year old unironically believing theyre still a toddler
You could argue it has always existed, its called ageplay fetish, and it basically is a mental illness
The problem is that ideology is so extreme that most trans people wouldn’t even defend it. It’s like the definition of a straw man argument.
Destiny you are traversing into Vaush territory with your over confidence in being able to defend and explain transness or gender philosophically or some shit. Not AQUA levels bad, but still, not helping.
Destiny basically proves Shapiro's point here: Age identity actually is in many ways *more* valid than sex/gender identity because unlike sex, age is actually a spectrum and people do age at different rates, etc. So trans-ageism is actually more valid.
Also, biological sex can be determined with at least the same degree of precision as we can with age. The idea of brain-body dualism is literally a religious concept that has nothing to do with science. The brain is part of the body, obviously.
Destiny is correct to say that "age identity" would more accurately described as maturity, but the exact same thing is true of "gender identity": When a male says he feels like a female inside he's not saying he's *literally* a female. He's saying he's a feminine man.
So the concept of "maturity" in this context is directly analogous to "masculinity" and "femininity" in the context of transgenderism.
Using the analogy of age, the TRAs are basically arguing that a super immature 50-year-old man should be able to identify as, transition into, and be socially accepted as a 10-year-old boy, including-but-not-limited to playing children's sports and sharing spaces specifically designed for children.
7:36 I feel like Destiny really is misconstruing the conservative argument here. Conservatives aren't saying that it's a disease, they're saying that it's a mental illness. Therefore, according to them, it should not be treated as a disease (like cancer might be treated), but it should be treated like we treat other mental illnesses. When someone has depression we don't tell them to off themselves, we try to solve it by helping them accept themselves, work on themselves, and by psychiatrically medicating them. When a schizophrenic is convinced they need to cut off their arm we help that person fight the mental illness, but when a transgendered person says they need to cut off their dick we do not see any issue with it.
Now I don't personally agree with what I just wrote, but I feel like that is a much stronger argument, and one that conservatives actually use so I would much rather see that argument being responded to.
I believe that gender dysmorphia is a real thing that is pretty rare. But I also think the current state of the trans experience is based on narcissism and a desperate need to be interesting
so brave
To be fair, Ben has talked about gender dysphoria being a real thing so i don't think he would disagree with Destiny on how trans people need healthcare. I think when he criticizes transgenderism he is just talking about the ideological aspect of it that the left has embraced. Even when the children are involved, he is talking about kids that are influenced into thinking they're trans when they actually aren't because of their parents, places like tik-tok and certain schools pushing this ideology.
Correct. Most conservatives acknowledge gender dysphoria. The left has ran with the ideology (because leftists always need a new civil rights fight) to obscure the meaning completely. It was the perfect vessel for people yearning to be victims to jump on board. Now "transgenderism" is spiking as this is clearly a social contagion. 99% of these people are not Trans, just narcissists
They all aren't trans
"When they aren't", does he believe that there are people who are trans?
@@Blueline3691 to him it's mental disorder similar to people who really believe they are Napoleon, which is similar to how Trans people where treated up till like ten years ago, then smartphones connected a ton of people with autism who all got together and now there's a ideological movement...
Yeah, it's pretty sick that's some of these people who are trans or not are teaching gender dysphoria in schools, and I think it's happening with the little kids, I think. I don't hate trans people, but for the same reasons religion isn't in public schools, keep your trans religion to yourself.
Wow. Destiny proves that he's become completely incapable of good faith disagreement, while making one of the most legitimately dumb arguments he's ever made at the same time.
Imagine trying to claim that huge statistical outliers like mentally stunted people is the same thing as "identifying as trans age".
One one hand you have " a trans woman is actually a woman" , and on the other hand you have " this person has the mental capability relative to a person of this age".
Destiny isn't a dumb guy... this is just pure bad faith rhetoric.
It's really sad to see this guy transition from an intelligent, good faith actor seeking truth... into a bad faith establishment shill entirely focused on rhetoric
“ for trans people ‘the argument‘ Is that the brain is sex’d differently”
That’s the “argument” & its nonsensical. No one “sex’d” differently. Every individual remains the same sex all their life.
A male neurophysiology may be feminized, and a females neurophysiology may be masculinized in the womb, depending on the womb’s toxicity & their environment after birth.
Sex is NOT a construct.
Wouldn't you just say the chemistry in someone's brain who's trans-age would just be different as well, like normal trans. That makes them believe their age younger than their physiological body.
what about transrace?
I suppose that's where the argument about disabled people being treated as trans aged comes in.
@@MSilva-rq8vnI don’t think it would taken as seriously because it’d be all nurture vs transgenderism which has been pushed as being fully natural, although there is no conclusive evidence
No, because there aren’t those observable differences.
When we say a trans person’s brain is sexed differently, that’s not some ambiguous maybe statement. Brains between men and women are observably different, what with the size of various parts like the amygdala being different.
The only way someone’s brain could be younger than them is to be under developed, which is just having a mental disability.
The difference is we never feel like a certain age unlike our gender
Is there any persuasive evidence that brains could actually be sexed differently? Because so far for me it seems the person’s gender is mostly a social product, and the idea of transgender people actually having the brain of the opposite sex is a wishful thinking of sorts, proof for which we don’t have, but actually hope to find in the future.
ASAPscience did a video on the science of being trans gender and included studies on the differences between male and female brains
im pretty sure i heard male brains have faster reaction time than women's brains on average.
@@TheEagleChristian Where they explain the difference then fail to give the slightest bit of evidence that men/women can have the others brain. Pseudo science.
>Is there any persuasive evidence that brains could actually be sexed differently?
Assuming you mean brains being sexed differently than the rest of their body, no. Male brains and female brains are somewhat different, but we aren't sure how much of that is nature vs nurture because the brain is high in plasticity.
@@TheEagleChristian thx for the recommendation. That was an interesting video.
So Destiny says you can not identify as someone with 7legs but in the same sentence can identify as one with a Uterus?
Because being trans is about gender identity. Identifying as an object, someone with 7 legs is not a valid form of gender identity. Gender identity is deeply rooted in a person's psychological, social, and biological makeup and identifying as a helicopter for example is a fantastical notion that is not grounded in reality. Gender identity is also a well established concept that is recognized by the medical and scientific community, and it is supported by extensive research and evidence. identifying as an object or an having 7 legs for example is is not a genuine form of identity. It’s not supported by any scientific evidence, and it is not a recognized concept in the medical or psychological fields. Its a fantastical notion that does not align with the reality of human biology and psychology.
@Cindyyyyyyyy it is a dysphoria and the're other froms of dysphoria. You can not support trans and then disqualify other dysphorias like age identity or color if you agree with gender identity. And once those other forms of dysphoria pick up pace, you will be labeled a phobic something, just like it's like fatphobic to call someone fat. So, rather choose your words carefully
@@Cindyy646Look up species dysphoria.
@@kipapula6838 Would it be a logical contradiction for society to 'arbitrarily' decide, merely for utility, to designate some material referents as "currency" (i.e. copper, silver, etc.), while excluding others? No, because definitional claims are neither truth-apt nor stance-independent and thus not pigeonholed to this "universalizability" that you fallaciously assume.
Destiny is crazy dumb on most his arguments but this takes the cake.
Any reasonable person -- whose not pandering to their left audience -- understands that a person's sex is WAY more baseline determinative (medically, sexually, socially, etc.) than someone's age. Not even close.
What’s more important your age or your gender? Idk what’s more important to your survival, your liver or your kidneys?
As a conservative, I acknowledge destiny as an intelligent and extremely well spoken person. Who is adept at responding and conveying his viewpoint.
I don’t think he had the juice at all on this topic.
Thank you for that gem of a math question. I feel like I've just been exposed to a classic for the first time.
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
17:56 I don’t know if I would publicly advertise my GF being this silly no mater how hilarious it is 😂😂
He's kinda humiliating her without her knowing and sharing it publicly lol
GF? I assume he is her caretaker
@@AcrossTheSea12 he said she's his wife
Its understandable to not get it the first or second time like lil pump did, sometimes you're just on autopilot. However not thinking it through when it's being broken down is kinda crazy. I wouldn't post this of my gf.
He doesn't give a fuck about her. The type of guy to berate his wife to be funny with the boys
I'm sorry Destiny, but the argument you present at the start isn't good. Trans-Age is not a thing and we don't "sort of" trans-age people.
When we use age in sentences like "Billy, despite 35 years old has the mental capacity of a 6 year old." or "You look like you're 20 years old!" we're using it not as a quality of the person, but a descriptor. Age is used as a crude benchmark for things like rights because you cannot individually assess every person in a society. It's a general rule of thumb, which is why courts do assign guardians, etc.
So, no, trans age isn't a thing. It's mental health issues.
How could you ever know whether your male brain was in a female body? It is impossible to know because you can't actually experience the world as another person and compare. You can only know the world as you through your experience and your body is the only way through which you experience the world.
Classic example of Destiny coming off confident but being wrong.
Really ironic Destinys chat even remotely talks about Ben dunking on college kids.. literally what they watch Destiny for at any given moment is for him to intellectually dunk on people.
Foreal, the hypocrisy
how often does destin debate 18 year olds?
@@ThePainkiller9995 I mean many who are intellectually 18, sure. His argument and comments on being "young and dumb" really seem to be more a reflection of his own experience. The problem with intellectual dunking isn't the age or experience of the dunked on party, its the fact that the audience craves the dunking in the first place. It's close mindedness before an argument even begins.
Destiny your digging these people into deeper waters . This is the most reach ever and insanity
A better way to argue the transgender trans age thing is that older people cosmetically alter themselves to look younger befause they want to be attractive and to be perceived a certain way. Transgender girls want to be attractive seen a certain way, i.e looking like a girl so they cosmetically alter themselves to look that way. And because transgirls who successfully cosmetically slter themselves will be seen as female, or in other words sexually attractive to men, they become functionally indistinguishable from biological women in how society views them.
With that said, there is no such thing as changing your sex, there are only two genders, and "sex reassignment surgery" is a barbaric practice.
22:05 - it is true though just fyi - nieces and nephews are collectively 'niblings', like how brothers and sisters are collectively 'siblings'. it's a fun little kinship term not many people know about
This is such a horrible take. If mentally challenged people can be "aged down", you could say that kids who are much smarter than average could be "aged up." That's the kind of argument a "MAP" would use. "Oh, sure, she's 12, but she's SUPER mature for her age, you just don't understand!" Disgusting.
Destiny doesn't think at all anymore since he can post himself saying any dumb shit and he'll make money and have a ton of young, ignorant, sycophants of himself and trans hysteria hype him uo for it. Too much success is an e-intellectual's(LMAO) bane
That's already true, to a degree. Growing up, I knew a kid who got emancipated at 17 and he was able to get himself an apartment. I'm a fan of your videos, but you're reaching here.
No because intelligence and maturity are two different things. 18 is also an artificial limit were we deem most people to be competent enough to consent. If we wanted to go biology 25 may be a more scientific age as that's when most brains are done developing their frontal cortex. A 13 year old could be as matures as an 18 year old but there's no reliable way to test that. If a 7 year old is as intelligent as a 16 year old then they will take higher level courses that challenge them.
@@nf4866 I would argue that Destiny is reaching by saying "everyone already believes in trans-age." btw thanks, big ups 🙏🦅
We don't "age people down", but we do treat them differently. My grandma had dementia and we definitely couldn't treat her like her old self. If we didn't people would get hurt. If we treat a man that wants to be a woman, as a woman, who's getting hurt?
So if you have the brain of the opposite sex, wouldn’t that brain also produce the hormones of the opposite sex? You can’t really disconnect the brain from the body - that is the basis of physiology. Genuinely interested in the argument you are posing, and I love the content
Sex hormones don't come from the brain. That's why when a man or women gets their parts taken out they have to go on hormone replacement therapy.
I can understand the "riddle" being confusing at first even if you completely understand how speed works. Its kinda like the "yes/eyes" spelling riddle. But this lady was on a whole new level lmao she was making a whole bunch of solutions and even argued against the answer when it was straight up given to her.
honestly I think i really just shows how much people can coast through high school without learning anything.
The funny thing is that both Shapiro and destiny are trans….
@@SuperiorRobyn TRUE
@@JohnDoe-kn7ex John Doe, John Doe, tell me what you know. Cause obviously you know something!!! My man! You are a smart one.
She was absolutely galaxy-brained. I don't have the patience for an entire marriage of that, but in small doses, it's not so bad
Age is number associated with the number of revolutions around the sun the earth has taken since some arbitrary point of dilineation in your development. It is used as a short hand for the social aspects of maturity. It can be used as a predictor of the individuals physical condition. People can act more mature or less mature than expected and have a body in worse or better condition than expected.
So the example on treating adults who aren’t mentally matched to their age, that’s not trans age, nor do people even refer that condition to that word. Trans means to transition. No one’s transitioning from 30 to 6. Trans people make an active decision to transition from one thing to the next. Be it gender, sex, etc.
Worst take. Treating someone differently because their intellectual or rational capacity is impaired is not the same as believing that the person with the impaired faculty is 6 years old.
This is nearly the exact same thing Kelly did in the grape debate "oh look at this edge case of a person in a wheel chair, your position is invalid"
Yes and treating a trans woman differently because of their gender identity is not the same as believing they have female sex organs. Thats kinda the point, in both scenarios you are treating them according to their mental state instead of their biology. Seems like a pretty good analogy to me.
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7:23 "how does Ben not realize how embarassing it is to bring a dunk on a college kid"
-Implying 80% of Destiny's career isn't debating 23-year-olds online on this exact topic.
Can you link a time dude has stopped the stream to show a 6 year old video of himself being mean to someone really good lol
You're saying age is based on the repetition of the earth go around the Sun but Ben could say the same thing about sex that it is a repeating biological process and gender is the best predictions of behavior that we try to make based on that repeating binary process.
I believe that if we had a sudden worldwide catastrophe like a comet hitting the planet that the survivors would suddenly stop caring about transvestites overnight. I kind of think that's what we need at this point in order to restore sanity.
I'm so glad Ben (my wife is a doctor) Shapiro keeps using age as an example , it is a wonderful way to explain sex vs gender. Numeric age is immutable. Time is fixed. Demographics are fluid. they change from culture to culture, state to state. IE the parameters around "adult", "child", "minor", "senior" etc are inconsistent. 16 year old is a minor in the USA, in other countries they are adults. a 17 year old can give consent in ny state, in other states they cant. Age:Demographic - Sex:Gender. One is fixed, the other is fluid. Thanks Ben!! dope.
How many cultures in the last 2000 years didn’t have a fixed two gender system?
Ooooh the technicality argument.
It’s weird, it feels like Destiny is getting bogged down in his positions in a way that I didn’t think he used to.
Suing Disney is weird because it’s a historically significant company? What kind of argument is that?
Yeah it fees like he is making a contrary argument just for the sake of it now.
He is a lib
Trying to not come off as rightwing to his unhinged old leftwing audience
The point of that argument is that the arrangement has been going on for decades, it's obvious that republicans don't give a shit about most of the things they're virtue signaling about re "Disney shouldn't play by its own rules". They're assmad about Disney going against their "Cultural Norms", which is the start and end of their true principle based grievances. Destiny is saying it's "weird" that they're doing this only now, if they genuinely believed the things they purport to while making a stand against Disney for here.
Even if I grant "trans age is a thing", still.. nobody get upset if you refer to a special needs person as their BIOLOGICAL age. Nobody calls it violence to do so. Nobody suggests we give special needs people surgery to look like a 10 year old. Nobody is enforcing that we have to see them as a child. Treating two things similarly does not make those things the same. A special needs person has situations in which they are treated SIMILARLY to a child, but we don't say they are a child.
If that's the argument, the actual discussion is how do we treat them socially and medically. God forbid some of us be a bit concerned about sketchy permanent medical procedures...
Believing you are in the wrong body is definitionally a mental illness. Much like a paranoid person, we need to treat them with love, and part of loving them is being real with them about their condition.
If your brain is sexed differently to your body, why would you change your brain? Your brain is who you are. Your body can't change in a million ways and you'll still be you.
You tell people with mental disabilities that they have mental disinclined until your younger turns blue?