Right before the Gavin McInnes debate ( th-cam.com/video/blcwLQ38mlU/w-d-xo.html ) Destiny defends his Positions against Leftist who wanted to make things personal Destiny watches the video making claims about his personal life ►th-cam.com/video/acXtRx3iJL0/w-d-xo.html
You can't call it "making things personal" when he *streamed his behavior to the public.* Apparently Destiny's editors are just as dumb as Destiny himself, just not as well compensated.
@@GreyKnight7777 Bro, maybe English isn’t your first language but making things personal in this context means “making personal attacks” not “talking in private”
The clip was Destiny tricking his son to Alt+F4 after his son tried to trick Destiny into doing it, not Destiny pushing his son off a videogame cliff. However, Destiny has tricked Mouton into jumping off a videogame cliff before, meaning there's a chance this guy confused MrMouton with, as he said, a ten year old child, making him automatically based.
There’s also another clip from that same stream where Destiny gets Nathan to stand on the edge of that building, hold f, and then hold D so he just walks directly off the edge lmao
@@ThyCorruptor I mean if we’re being charitable I think the guys take was that it’s abusive to bring your kid on stream and purposely upset him for content. (Which I would probably agree with) The thing is that nothing remotely close to that has ever happened even once on Destiny’s stream lol
holy shit the dude's chat was coping so hard. I also love how he accused Destiny of being Ben Shapiro and then proceeds to interrupt, argue semantics, throw personal insults, and basically act like a 7-eleven version of Ben Shapiro. Hilarious.
Welcome to the slippery far leftist Englishman. Everyone is abusive, or abused. Everyone is a perpetrator or a victim. Claims to be a feminist….only to use it to try to get into womens pants. Condescending, sarcastic, and passive aggressive. I’m English, as a qualifier lol.
If my dad had played video games and clowned around like this with me when I was 9, i'd have been happy af. Damn those people that gate keep parenting to their own exact idea of how they would do it.
Playing Zelda with my mom is A: my most cherished memory with her and B: the reason I still play games passionately today. For better or worse I'm incredibly thankful.
The smug on this guy was unbearable. He starts off by pretending like he doesn't know anything about Destiny, and then goes on to talk about how Destiny debates. "Child abuse"? Really? Another struggle streamer looking for clout.
Destiny was seeing if the guy can have an actual conversation abt something which isn't personal, but the guy couldn't even do that, so there's no way the guy would have been able to make it not personal when talking abt Destiny's personal life
Am I an abuser for not holding back when playing Mario Kart with my child and firing turtle shells at her and don't roam away all the bots to let her win...or maybe I just don't want her to be a spoiled brat that doesn't know "how to loose" since she's a single child.
That’s Duncan for ya. I used to watch his content when he was a PokéTuber and loved it. He and his friends were hilarious. He decided to broaden his content and made some stuff on Monster Hunter which I wasn’t too interested in, but then he decided to make political content and me being right leaning, I obviously disagreed with his leftist ideas, but that’s not what bothered me. What pissed me off is on his vaccine video, I just said my take on the vaccine is that you should get it if you want to. If you don’t then that’s fine too and he decided to call me anti-vax and then a coward for not “admitting” that I am one. I’m not vaccinated for COVID-19, but I’m pro-vax in general. I think everyone is allowed to make their own conscience decision. It just sucks to see a guy who you supported and respected have such a downfall.
44:59 "It might be that you're watching my chat when I'm debating somebody expectionally stupid. That might be happening right now." Destiny, that was savage, jesus
I'm so glad this guy pointed out the horrible abusive behaviour by Destiny, I now feel comfortable telling my story. One day coming back from school my dad was off sick and I saw him playing my gameboy and when he gave it back he had overwritten my save in pokemon blue and I had lost all my pokemon that I had caught and had to start again. I've never had the courage to tell this story out of fear of backlash, I'm literally crying and shaking thinking about it. RIP my Blastoise
@@richardhands904 You're free to have the wrong opinion. I mean come on what is charizard even at his best against? Bug types and grass types? Wow your dragon can beat some small insects and a plant. Meanwhile the Chad thicc boi blastoise can beat fire breathing dragons with water and learns ice moves to beat other dragons. Plus he has tank turrets on his back, so all other arguments are invalid.
@@RealFreedomMG too bad all venusaur has to do is make blastoise go night night and wrap him up with his vines and have his way with the poor little turtle
@@prestoiidx What even is Venusaur? He's an ugly chubby looking dinosaur with a plant on his back. What is Blastoise? A super bulky turtle with tank turrets. Also we have to admit, Venusaur is the rapey pokemon. You use sleep powder or stun spore then use leech seed the whole time. Only the worst humans choose Venusaur. At least Charizard is the 2nd best starter. There's some honor in 2nd place.
I'm a very logical, empathic person and feel like I can usually understand the two sides of any argument but when it comes to people that Destiny debate, I can NEVER understand how they can't understand Destiny's point of view, like AT ALL. How can they be so ignorant?
And more often than not they end up having the same arguments as Destiny but they don't want to admit to it because they don't wanna look bad in front of their audience, it's all about arrogance
Because either they are being very disingenuous or simply don't see him at all. Since he kept interrupting destiny at every turn to argue with something Destiny didn't say, I might say the second.
He got incredibly defensive and tried to make himself appear small while simultanously throwing personal insults towards D. He REALLY wanted no repercussions for saying shit and owning up to it and then be afraid of the backlash. literally no spine
Dude stop disability shaming him, he's just a small poor small-time streamer from a poor immigrant family who's malnourished from the famine that struck his tiny village. He never got the nutrients to grow a spine as a child :(
No ur wrong, he is fully prepared to take what he gives, see even he said it: 1:03:28 (This is complete sarcasm, this man is a joke almost lolcow level)
So he reverse trolled his son, who was in the process of trolling him, and this is abuse? As a father, I thought this was a pretty wholesome moment. Something they will both look back on later in life and say "remember that time that I did XYZ?"
Yeah, to me that was such a wholesome cute moment. I can just imagine that kid thinking how fun it would be that get one in over his dad, and that reversal was so funny and just what Destiny would do. Reading an interaction like that as child abuse has to be 100% disingenuous, the person watching has no concept of reading social cues.
So this guy watched destiny "abusing his child" and didn't immediately contact the police or child protective services? He must be okay with child abuse then.
@Shawn Allen for sure, BUT let's remember that IF a parent trolls like that many times, it can lead to trust issues and weird lifetime psychological shit, but I'm sure Destiny knows this
Isnt it crazy how hes saying "you shouldnt tell a man stealthing you no because hes already raping you and is gonna get violent because hes already in the middle of committing a crime" but then goes "we should instead be telling men that rape is bad" like youve already created this image of the rapist that knows hes doing rape out of the evilness of his being and you think telling him its bad is gonna change something?
@Blake Bortles Outside of the way he originally phrased his tweets, nothing about the clarifications he gave during this conversation was outrageous. This chat couldn't even entertain the idea that asserting boundaries during sex is something that should be encouraged without assuming Destiny was blaming the stealthing victim for being stealthed - something he clarified he wasn't doing, multiple times. They just reflexively went into outrage mode no matter what was being said.
Imagine stating all men are bad faith actors and then also stating that women should engage in casual sex regardless of their ability to be vocal on boundaries, all within 30 minutes. His chat either has a large overlap with TwoXChromosomes or they all collectively share a single brain cell. (In many cases, the or is inclusive.)
they weren't even listening to what he was saying, just how he was coming off. actually scratch that, i think they legit couldn't comprehend anything he was saying.
The one thing Destiny has over literally any other person in Twitch politics is being succinct and to the point. Also, if we grant him that Destiny "speaks a lot but says nothing" - than in that case I actually prefer that he speaks quickly. Imagine listening to someone who not only "speaks a lot and says nothing", but also does it incredibly slowly. That sounds like literal torture.
Yup. They'll lace every sentence with condescension, smarminess, and passive aggressive barbs, all the while maintaining a "calm" exterior, but then the moment that you point it out or criticise it, they clutch their pearls as though you're attacking them "out of the nowhere".
@@amuro9624 the cherry on the icecream sundae of this guys insecurity was when he said he did martial arts to increase his confidence. what confidence lmao
It was cute when he was using the “youre upset” line because that’s an easy layup. But once the argument finally started he realized his childish angle didn’t work. He needs to understand nuance instead of trying to be a SJW.
Should be a new mini-series called "clout chasers" where insignificant "content creators" try to farm drama. This guy would be front and center in Destiny's series
Make it a thing on the reddit and hope that other people start linking them to Destiny. I am talking directly to you and only you. You have much more agency than you think. This all started from some random chatter posting the link in Destiny's chat.
You only make Destiny look bad by posting these braindead takes. I agree with Destiny on this video but the defense that anyone smaller than you is clout chasing is so fucking annoying. Even if you are correct about him clout chasing, it is the easiest take to dunk on and serves nothing to the conversation. You are just making the argument that viewership somehow adds value to what is said or that this person only made these arguments in bad faith because of their lack of clout, which is just unprovable and very assumptive.
It was fascinating wasnt it. It's truly eye opening. When you hear about some crazy cancellation in progress, it's places like Duncan's chat where the bots breed that do it
Duncan's chat was a hypocritical cesspool. Literally flopping on a whim to whatever Duncan was agreeing on and nitpicking "OMG HE SAID THE R WORD EVIL DESTINY" and when Duncan said it like 10 minutes later nobody said SHIT about it. On God his chat has me livid I can just drown like a whole monastery of nuns.
The way this guy danced around at the beginning in bad faith, and so transparently, accusing you of what he was doing was maddening. You handle that stuff so well destiny.
He also kept running back to the word 'rape', which says a lot. If you have a really specific term for what actually happened, which is 'stealthing', why would you retreat to a more general term? The only reason you'd want to do this, is because the more general word 'rape' includes a whole spectrum of different specific acts with different intensities. Stealthing is probably way at the bottom there. So when you use the more general word 'rape', you suddenly make the thing that actually happened way worse than it actually was. That's gaslighting at its worst and it's a classic example of acting in bad faith.
The amount of DEATH THREATS from that guy's chat towards destiny was INSANE towards the end, they were straight up saying he should be killed. How very peaceful of that guy's chat.
@@TheDudeSama while this does show duncan in a poor light. it wont change anything his posture right now will not shift whatsoever he will hide in his corner of the internet and cope while he trys to be the thing he hates the most. A Bigot, and worst part is? he will not admit to it so he will continue to live in his echo chamber until either he fails as a content creator or until he loses his platform to speak to others. both which is possible but at the same time he is very very dangerous so long as he has a platform. cause its not only him that is the problem its his followers that would die on a cross for him. Only time will tell how this all ends to be honest and hopefully it just doesn't end in a blood bath.
I admit it. When I was very young me and my younger brother would play halo reach 1v1 and I would screen peek him constantly and win. He didn’t realize I was cheating. I abused my younger brother. Forgive me, lord.
If you're embarrassing your kids publicly for clicks and views, yeah that's pretty much what it is. Love to hear how it's not, but something tells me that I shouldn't hold my breath waiting!
No it makes me mad seeing so many people not be able to grasp the conversation even though hes talking through it several times and a easy way. Some even extrapolated on some shitty takes.
The word "awkward" was actually the entire problem. If someone's feels "awkward" about not asserting boundaries during sex, then maybe they shouldn't be having casual sex. But if someone's feels like they're in DANGER, that's VERY DIFFERENT than feeling AWKWARD.
people who call destiny's audience circle jerky are kinda showing their hand in a lot of ways. he does a reall good job of explaining everything explicitly and yet everyone he debates assumes he's trying to trap them and bait them into saying shit....when in reality they've been saying shit the whole time
That's not why destiny fans are a circle jerk, they're a circle jerk because they agree with the party position no matter what. It's not that they're circle jerking destiny, it's that they circle jerk their political orthodoxy. Destiny simply aligns with that orthodoxy a lot of the time, regardless of how poorly he actually argues it, thus he gets their support. It's why destiny fans to this day still say destiny beat naked ape on their debate, when any third party could clearly see that destiny was out of his depth. It has nothing to do with it being destiny making the shit argument, and everything to do with the shit argument aligning with their political bias. It's also why them turn on him in a second if he disagrees with the party's orthodoxy. That's where the circle jerking, sycophantic aspect comes from. It's a circle jerk of intersectionalism, not a circle jerk of destiny. Destiny is the vehicle, not the road. Destiny is a shit debater, though. He gish gallops like a mother fucker, he also moves the goal post constantly if he feels he's losing at all on a point. Though his worst crime when it comes to debate is his obsession with appealing to authority. Every time he encounters someone who knows more than him he falls back to appeals to authority and consensus.
pushing a co-op partner off a cliff is such a DAD thing to do, it's actually hilarious, hell if my dad knew how to play video games, I bet he would have done all the dad trolls he could possibly do in a virtual world and even 4 year old me would have known it's all done with humor and good faith. it's absurd how this guy get's upset about this interaction and it makes me wonder how down at the bottom of the barrell he had to scrap that this is "abuse".
i alkso remember when he was playing StarCraft 2 with Nathan and Nathan wanted to do VS and destiny said "no" because he didnt want to beat his son nor let him win so he made him play co-op. Then while playing, Nathan kept messing with him and Destiny threatened to blow up his base if he didnt stop "Nathan dont attack me or im gonna nuke you Base! Ooookaaay, here i go!" Nathan laughed and told him he was just trolling him. All this to say, Steven is a good dad, just unconventional since he isnt around his son all the time.
Love this, at 35:38 Destiny makes probably the most to-the-point summary and statement about his position that is probably the most important thing said here, the other person reacts with maybe the worst misinterpretation possible of the statement, and his chat has a fit about Destiny using the dreaded R-word which was referring to a hypothetical woman, not any actual person, and doesn't even take in the statement. Truly incredible.
The point Destiny was trying to push was that if you’re not comfortable setting boundaries mid sex, you shouldn’t be having casual sex in the first place. It seems like a simple solution to help decrease the amount of rapes. However, I saw nobody in Duncan’s chat who understood what was being said. They were just busy being appalled at arguments Destiny was no where close to saying.
Additionally, Destiny is saying that not all agency should be placed on the man during a sexual encounter. The woman does have some power to control the sexual encounter whether that be before or during it. Destiny thinks it sucks that social media writes off any attempts at giving the woman pointers for better utilizing their agency (they write it off as victim blaming). There is a difference between victim blaming and victim criticism. The former is only meant to hurt and push blame upon the victim. The latter is meant to help the victim and those reading to better prepare/prevent becoming a victim.
A good example is of this is if a girl asks you to eat her out and you don't want. If you cannot tell her "No, I do not want ti" bc you're afraid of how awkward the situation will be, then do noy engage in sexual activity with stangers. If she forces your head into her coochie even after you state no, then thats OBVIOUSLY a completetly different situation.
this guys mad that a father and son are playing games together and get along so well that they can mess with each other and the kid just laughs? what a miserable dude
My impression was that destiny got interrupted a lot towards the beginning, but as the conversation progressed it evened out in terms of interruptions.
@@mechamechV2I agree. Destiny got interrupted constantly in the beginning but was interrupting the other guy more at the end. I think he also eeked out more speaking time eventually.
Duncan's chat was mind-numbing. An hour into the conversation and there are still comments implying that Destiny approves of rape, or proposes that rapists shouldn't be punished. And predictably, the "car theft" analogy provoked angered comments suggesting that Destiny is saying cars are basically women.
Ikr. The point Destiny was trying to push was that if you’re not comfortable setting boundaries mid sex, you shouldn’t be having casual sex in the first place. It seems like a simple solution to help decrease the amount of rapes. However I saw nobody in Duncan’s chat who understood what was being said. They were just busy being appalled at arguments Destiny was no where close to saying.
@@mazdaroadster-mx5 It's funny because retard is not an actual slur... it's a condition. And he never called the specific woman or rape victims retarded children, he said people like Duncan pretend they are with the advice they are giving them that removes their agency from a situation where they very much still have it.
Off the bat you can tell this dude loves that Destiny wants to talk to him about what he said, and he feels like there's no way Destiny will be right or convince him about anything
If you're an Uber driver and you're unable to confront a passenger who won't wear a seat belt then you shouldn't be an uber driver. If the passenger takes off the seat belt half way through the ride and you are unable to tell them to put it back on then you shouldn't be driving uber. If the passenger is very aggressive or angry and you feel unsafe confronting them then its reasonable to say nothing. However, anyone who's worked in customer service knows that most people are scared of being reprimanded. None of these examples put any blame on the driver for the actions of the passenger.
Wow. I have never seen a better example of if you don’t say something EXACTLY how I want you to, then I can’t agree with you even though you are demonstrating that I agree with you. And I have to say this is one of the best examples I have seen of Destiny holding back when he is clearly talking to someone who doesn’t understand what he’s saying. Also a pretty good example of patiently dealing with a passive aggressive person who feels they are morally superior.
“Passive aggressive person who feels they are morally superior” is the PERFECT description of this dude in this conversation. I hate when ppl act like this; It feels like a constant optics battle. Almost like high school. It’s sad that ppl still feel the need to act this way.
It’s wild to me that any advice aimed at women to reduce sexual assault is automatically turned into victim blaming. When I think of ways to minimize and mitigate the risks of myself being physically assaulted am I victim blaming? Is the only fair way to discuss those matters solely directed at those who might physically assault me? Given the reality that individuals exists that would cross personal boundaries and assault a person without provocation, why does the cohort shouting “victim blaming” look to only address aggressors that obviously almost exclusively exist outside the realm of their influence.
@@rogerbriggs8102 Since you also can't seem to understand, I'll restate this nice and slow for you. "If you cannot state your boundaries during a sexual encounter, you should not be having casual sex." This has nothing to do with "can defend themselves" as much as you want to agree with that strawman.
@@kyle8971 whatever charitable reading you want to give to the phrasing has nothing to do with my point, which was that Destiny’s response is scummy. Retort that premise.
It may be that this isn't the full clip, but to me it seemed like they were trying to prank each other and that Nathan laughed by end of it. What am I missing?
@@bennymountain1 Frankly, I actually believed that hearing him, he wants women to sit back and take it, why would ANYONE want that aside from having an easier time doing that shit themselves?
1:07:34 This guy is a smug, performative hypocrite giving '''advice''' that's dangerous to women, gives them a false sense of security and has no understanding of the reality of casual sex
Tbf, i don't know if that's the clip he was referring to. I think he was referring from some time ago when destiny was messing with Nathan on Mirror's Edge, like he tricked him into falling off or something like that -- he did seem pretty upset that one time. Idk if I'd classify that as child abuse, though.
1:07:30 Holy shit this guy pivoted so hard I'm worried he might sue for damages to his ankles. Yes, lets all take martial arts classes specifically to be able to remain calm under stress. Definitely not a skill you can learn independently. I love how by the end here he's literally agreeing with Destiny but still trying to find small straw men to disagree on.
Destiny confronting his critics like this is a smart move. 1. He showed how weaselly this guy is. It started with "you are mad thats why you wanted to talk to me" or I'm so small uwu, why pick on me for trashing you?". 2. When confronted, the more weaslly people will attempt to talk over him and pivot whenever they are cornered or know a question isn't going their way. 3. How hard they'll misrepresent his argument in order for their argument to be correct.
The second he tried to claim that what Destiny is saying is basically saying "look at what she's wearing? She deserved it." Was the point for me. It's clear the guy is trying to fight a dragon that isn't there. He wants that pat on the back and good boi points so badly that he's willing to make an extreme jump into territory that wasn't even close.
What?! That was adorable and endearing! I have daughters 6 years old and an 11 year old and each of them would’ve laughed so hard at that joke. As long as you stay in good faith and are able to actively assess your child’s capacity for more complex humor, an attentive parent is totally within their right to JOKE AROUND with their kids! It’s healthy. Note: I’m only a few minutes in and only saw the first clip of game play when Steven’s son said, “you make me laugh.”
The most frustrating part about this is the other guys chat being visible. I can deal with 1 guy lazily making non-points, but knowing that there's 200 odd people following him spouting off that shit, WHILE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, really is too much.
I don't mind the chats usually because it's like that in most chats (inc Destiny's chat). The thing that bothered me, is that guy saying Destiny's chat is proof of echo chamber, while his chat was exactly the same.
Some of his points were read from chat 1:1. And he admitted at one point "I can see your chat right now". So yeah, he lets twitch chat do his thinking..
It was actually really impressive seeing him start the conversation by saying Destiny was a fast talking, interrupting debate bro that says so much but nothing at all... And then commences doing exactly that throughout the entire conversation.
Putting the chat on screen was diabolical. An hour of "So basically this guy is saying don't have sex if you don't like getting raped??!" has me malding pretty bad.
It's funny to see the contrast between the chats, it's like a group of people supporting their favorite team and hating on the opposite team for absolutely anything.
The fact that Destiny could say “men who stealth/date rape will push for as much as they can but they don’t want confrontation so if you assert your boundaries they’ll probably stop” and this dude’s chat immediately starts spamming “OMG HES MAKING A BOYS WILL BE BOYS ARGUMENT I HATE HIM” tells me everything I need to know about his community
That mod at 29:53 who’s like “it’s fine when he cuts Duncan off but if Duncan wants to finish a thought it’s not” has me wheezing Destiny was being kid gloves with this dude and let him run the entire conversation up to like 5 minutes before this point. That mod is fucking crazy if he thinks Destiny is trying to overpower here
I don't think they were discussing the same thing. They should have agreed on the premise before even starting the discussion. It seemed like they were discussing 'what was said when' vs 'the validity of what was said'. I don't think he disagrees with destiny's advice. I think he disagrees with the timing of it, because (according the leftist) it seemed a bit harsh.
I'm sorry, but I haven't made it past the first minute, but did this fool just use a clip of Destiny making his son audibly laugh as evidence that is abusing him? Like wtf
I'm a therapist who works with teens. When we talk about rape and trauma the primary thing is to validate the trauma but also to give power back to them. This constant validation strips their power away and agency an doesn't help people who are victimized They need to move on by finding ways they can feel safe and yes that includes giving them agency In fact the primarily relies on agency on their end.
A person shares a traumatic experience on Twitter about a gunman who entered the same restaurant they were at, the gunman kills eight people, injures four, and police capture this person. This person survived the experience and shares about it on Twitter. People see this public post and begin to share and one person decides to share some tips to avoid being in this position, or, to give yourself the upper hand in this kind of position. This person states, when you first enter a public venue, take note of the entrances / exits and try to place yourself near a lesser used exit, for example, near the back door of a restaurant, or, if this is not possible, near an exit that will give you access into the kitchen where exits out of the building may exist. Also, consider getting a conceal carry license. Is this person "victim shaming?" If you say yes, you are full of shit. Why are we not allowed to talk about mitigation strategies and steps people can take to protect themselves? Like, in this weird, utopian world, by the mere fact of believing that people should never be forced to do something they don't want to do sexually, this leads to people ARE NEVER forced to do something they don't want to do sexually. This is a "if I close my eyes, no one will see me" argument. Protect yourself. If you are starting to feel uncomfortable during a sexual encounter, it is time to stop, regardless of whether the situation is over something specific or not. If you find yourself more often than not uncomfortable, you should reconsider your decision to have casual sex on such a frequent basis (or at all). News flash, casual sex, especially with people you don't know is significantly more risky (for a variety of reasons and situations that may arise) than sex with someone you know well and have had previous sexual experiences with. This is not "victim blaming," this is common sense advice. No one is blaming victims, we are trying to tell you and others how to reduce the risks in the future.
Theres a concept in social psychology called Ambivalent Sexism. It basically states that sexism in society can be sub divided into hostile sexism and benevolent sexism. Hostile sexism is what we all know as negative views of women and the negative treatment of them that usually follows. Benevolent sexism however, views women as inherently more pure, virtuous and cultured than men and views them as needing protection and special treatment. I'd love to see people who argue like duncan to take the test associated with the concept, because their advice leads me to believe they likely hold a lot of benevolently sexist beliefs. It's either that, or a weird form of masochism, where they get a thrill out of flagellating themselves as members of the group 'men' to collect brownie points.
Geez, I used to like Duncan for his Pokemon videos, sad to see how far he and his community has fallen. I suppose thats what happens when someone hard switches into politics without the right mindset. (Also love how Duncan says Destiny's community circle-jerks him, while his chat is a mixture of either Destiny is brainlet or Duncan opinion good.)
Destiny’s sub absolutely went mental on Destiny over this twitter mini arc. The entire day every other post was roasting him for being way too inflammatory. Say what you will but Dgg does not circlejerk him.
@@abednegokurio9244 Yeah, I'll fully admit I'm not a big of how inflammatory Destiny was in his initial tweet (though it it twitter so what do you expect), but even outside of this situation, Destiny's community clowns on him more than any other community I've ever seen or been a part of.
His use of the word echo chamber doesn't even make sense. Destiny's whole brand is talking to people he disagrees with. Of course his community will largely agree with his takes, but as long as he isn't adjusting his opinions to what we want to hear and talks to people he disagrees with more than he talks to his community, he can't in good faith be accused of fostering an echo chamber.
Imagine watching a horror movie and yelling "no you idiot what are you doing!" and then the person next to you goes "omg are you saying it's their fault for being murdered??"
49:48 someone in Duncan's chat unironically saying that they "leave their car unlocked because they would rather replace a cup than a window" smartest duncan chatter
I think it is very interesting to read both chats during these arguments and watch how people absorb the same dialog and information in completely different ways without any form of acknowledgment for the other side...
56:06 - my heart sunk, holy shit I cannot believe what this guy just said that. I was on the fence with Destiny, I understood where his point was coming from, but still thought it was a bit wild to play the "blame the victim" card. However, after the guy on the right starting saying that women should just basically "lay there at take it", was the nail in the coffin for me and his arguments. As a guy, the level of fear that I felt when he said that was horrible. NO ONE should lay there and be traumatized, hence why I understood where Destiny was coming from at first. That is absolutely terrifying that dude on the right would even say that casually. It is simply anti-progressive and takes away all the power from women to tell them to simply become victims of SA (let alone r*pe). I am terrified, disgusted and appalled. Destiny is being critical, but he is right. Women need to be be stern with their boundaries and be careful with who they hook up with, as well as men.
Seriously, look in his chat and you can see someone saying "Sometimes it's easier to just take the d and leave after". The fact that this could, even only theoretically, be a rapist tacitly encouraging this, means your stance is not a good one. "Yeah girls, guys are scary, if you speak up you might get killed, huh? ;)" - Is this a progressive worried about women or a rapist?
I do not see it as "Blame the victim". Destiny, I am guessing here, would be for the man getting in trouble for stealthing. He is not saying they should be able to stealth. He is, however, saying the woman should try to avoid BECOMING the victim by not being able to do the basic act of speaking up.
@@claytoncourtney1309 He explicitly stated "If someone stealths you, they're a fucking asshole, leave them". The other guy can't deal with two different things being true at once. He's got a binary mind. It's either _this_ or, _that._ Nuance is beyond his capacities.
It's so fun to see how guys like this start the conversation thinking they're winning and they have control of the conversation but then they become smaller and smaller until they see how Destiny just took over and they look stupid so they just attack his personal life choices
Dude’s chat is wild. Destiny: I’ve never said it’s the person’s fault for being raped. Obviously rape is bad. Chat: Is this guy unironically saying that rape should be the fucking standard?
The sequel! Duncan: says something about putting drugs in the girls drink to rape them Destiny: You don’t have to roofie a girl to date rape her and that’s not even how date rape usually happens. Duncan’s chat: Roofies were never brought up lol.
I'm so, so glad you include the other guy's chat in these so that at times like 44:47 when they accuse Destiny's chat of circle jerking, the irony is right next to (or under) them
Destiny: *provides of an example of being robbed, another thing that makes people feel violated, being something that is not your fault but there are ways to minimize the risk of that happening* An actual person in this dude's chat right after: "is it your responsibility to not get raped???"
This guy is one of the most dishonest, disingenuous, bad faith interlocutors I’ve ever seen. He keeps committing Strawman after Strawman. His levels of projection are off the charts as well.
😂😂😂😂brooo you just gave me flashbacks with this comment I grew up in a Hispanic household and beatings would occur when I did something bad I’m kinda glad I used to get hit because if not I would of grown up to be a idiot.
Wow idk how destiny doesn't lose his mind on guys like this lol the smug half smiles while talking with a full mouth. This is this dude's Superbowl and he's trying so hard to pretend he's not nervous it's genuinely hilarious
this was wonderful. this guy tells you that you interrupted him twice as much and then later when you press him on it, he suddenly does not know and cant even guess as to who did it more. not to mention this guy is on a list of probably hundreds of people that destiny debated where they cant answer a simple question because they know that the question is presented so that their views can be set in stone and destiny can move on but they want to make him look bad on the point so they refuse to answer. Im a new viewer so i just unloaded alot lol. Thanks for the content Destiny.
PS, just got to the end and now this guy is saying that destiny was the one that led the debate back to the specific person even though I remember multiple times where he was the one that led the topic back to that and throughout the entire argument destiny for the most part i think is talking about society and then he only switches the topic when the other guy was. sorry if I state the obvious, i just need to get my energy out lol.
I didn’t feel like Destiny was criticizing her or saying it was her fault. I thought it was just good advice for the future. For whatever reason, she keeps running into creeps & she’s been taken advantage of multiple times. If she can’t stand up for her boundaries, which is really important when engaging in casual sex, she should perhaps take a step back from that activity until she can handle those situations. We all should mitigate risk & harm to ourselves as much as we can. It’s not going to guarantee you’ll always be safe, but it cuts the chances down of getting hurt. I live in the sticks, we’ve got coyotes. They are pretty nocturnal around here so because I don’t want to get attacked, I don’t go walking out in the woods at night. If I went out in the woods 3 times and each time I was attacked and didn’t do anything to defend myself, I would expect someone to say don’t go in the woods at night. 🤷🏼♀️
As an MMA student I can attest to destiny saying that bit about BJJ. I used to train with my coaches daughter who was amazing at BJJ gold metal at most tournaments she went to. My coach would always have her roll with me when I had white belt and the difference in size frame and weight were super apparent. Stay safe out there and honestly to both men and woman the best thing to do if there’s a fight is just to run violence is a wild thing
Right before the Gavin McInnes debate ( th-cam.com/video/blcwLQ38mlU/w-d-xo.html ) Destiny defends his Positions against Leftist who wanted to make things personal
Destiny watches the video making claims about his personal life ►th-cam.com/video/acXtRx3iJL0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for including the other guys chat as well, I like that
You can't call it "making things personal" when he *streamed his behavior to the public.* Apparently Destiny's editors are just as dumb as Destiny himself, just not as well compensated.
@@GreyKnight7777 Bro, maybe English isn’t your first language but making things personal in this context means “making personal attacks” not “talking in private”
@@abednegokurio9244 English is my first language, and I am correct. Feel free to seethe, tho.
@@GreyKnight7777 English and words seem hard for you, you should go back to pre-school before jumping on youtube to comment.
The clip was Destiny tricking his son to Alt+F4 after his son tried to trick Destiny into doing it, not Destiny pushing his son off a videogame cliff. However, Destiny has tricked Mouton into jumping off a videogame cliff before, meaning there's a chance this guy confused MrMouton with, as he said, a ten year old child, making him automatically based.
New lore just dropped Mr moot is destiny's son
@@SephirothASTAROTH What you mean new? It's pretty old, he is his third son, he also groomed him
There’s also another clip from that same stream where Destiny gets Nathan to stand on the edge of that building, hold f, and then hold D so he just walks directly off the edge lmao
@@thealamo8308 HOW ABUSEIVE OMG YOU PLAYED A VIDEO GAME WITH YOUR KID AND MADE HIM HAVE TO RESPAWN
@@ThyCorruptor I mean if we’re being charitable I think the guys take was that it’s abusive to bring your kid on stream and purposely upset him for content. (Which I would probably agree with) The thing is that nothing remotely close to that has ever happened even once on Destiny’s stream lol
A Father and Son playing a game, and trying to prank each other. Is the most wholesome thing I've ever seen!
yeah that shit literally make me like destiny more lmao it was adorable.
wholesome? that's literally child abuse
Bruh this guy said telling your son to alt f4 to hack the game is child abuse LMAO
@@sorcererofsalt5786 After the kid tried to get you to ALT-F4 the game. Kid literally saying "You make me laugh" showing he was enjoying himself.
Sounds like the kid was laughing and found It hilarious
holy shit the dude's chat was coping so hard. I also love how he accused Destiny of being Ben Shapiro and then proceeds to interrupt, argue semantics, throw personal insults, and basically act like a 7-eleven version of Ben Shapiro. Hilarious.
Hope you’re doing better Hunter!
hard coping. love that he shows chat bc it goes to show that people can really brainwash the fuck out of their community
Welcome to the slippery far leftist Englishman. Everyone is abusive, or abused. Everyone is a perpetrator or a victim. Claims to be a feminist….only to use it to try to get into womens pants. Condescending, sarcastic, and passive aggressive. I’m English, as a qualifier lol.
Ben Hacky-ro
Chat wasn't doing that they were telling him to get on with it.
If my dad had played video games and clowned around like this with me when I was 9, i'd have been happy af.
Damn those people that gate keep parenting to their own exact idea of how they would do it.
and so many of these aren't actual parents lol i don't get it.
@@wren4077 absolutely true lel
Playing Zelda with my mom is A: my most cherished memory with her and B: the reason I still play games passionately today. For better or worse I'm incredibly thankful.
@Daddy Dark Lord Might be the same for me. Having her watch 'and help' while playing the Sega Genesis and PS1 is some of my fondest memories.
I was just thinking this I wish to god I had interactions like that with my dad
The smug on this guy was unbearable.
He starts off by pretending like he doesn't know anything about Destiny, and then goes on to talk about how Destiny debates.
"Child abuse"? Really?
Another struggle streamer looking for clout.
some people really are just unbearable to be around, this guy is one of those.
Funny thing is he used to be poketuber
he keeps making baseless assumptions about him too. video today hurt to watch
Yeah he ended up knowing a lot about destiny for only seeing bits and pieces
Kinda got some lefty Sargon vibes
Wow that guy had such a hard time engaging logically with Destiny’s arguments.
Destiny was incredibly patient omg
lol i would have left after 8 mins
i just can't do that, i don't know how he does it....
opposite, i am shocked how he didnt hang up the call after destiny started stalling for 30 minutes before addressing what he wants to talk about
@@PrendeII destiny is the one that asked him to talk? and also they engaging in discussion from the very beginning. did we watch the same video?
Destiny was seeing if the guy can have an actual conversation abt something which isn't personal, but the guy couldn't even do that, so there's no way the guy would have been able to make it not personal when talking abt Destiny's personal life
“Child abuse because he pushes his son off cliffs video games” Yep, this is gonna be a a good one.
This is classic Destiny abusive behavior.
We all watched as he abused Mouton in the same way. Disgraceful.
Found the simp
@@Ematched you are correct disgusting behavior
@@GreyKnight7777 Yes
True his son only laughed because he didn't have a twitter feed to tell him he was being abused.
“He would abuse his son by tricking him into falling off cliffs in video games.” Clearly a proud graduate of The Ana Frills School of Psychology.
That’s abuse bro !!!
YOU'RE GASLIGHTING US, STOP SAYING THAT! 😭
Am I an abuser for not holding back when playing Mario Kart with my child and firing turtle shells at her and don't roam away all the bots to let her win...or maybe I just don't want her to be a spoiled brat that doesn't know "how to loose" since she's a single child.
You better not stonewall me after this. That would be abuse! That is so horrible!
You haven't responded to any of our replies. STOP STONEWALLING US 😭
You can tell this guy doesn't actually disagree he just doesn't want to concede the argument infront of his audience
The absolute number of people Destiny has talked to over the years that this applies to is amazin'
No, it's just an idiot. I've argued with him over twitter and even after I proved the study he posted was bullshit, he continued to act superior.
Pretty much
That’s Duncan for ya. I used to watch his content when he was a PokéTuber and loved it. He and his friends were hilarious. He decided to broaden his content and made some stuff on Monster Hunter which I wasn’t too interested in, but then he decided to make political content and me being right leaning, I obviously disagreed with his leftist ideas, but that’s not what bothered me. What pissed me off is on his vaccine video, I just said my take on the vaccine is that you should get it if you want to. If you don’t then that’s fine too and he decided to call me anti-vax and then a coward for not “admitting” that I am one. I’m not vaccinated for COVID-19, but I’m pro-vax in general. I think everyone is allowed to make their own conscience decision. It just sucks to see a guy who you supported and respected have such a downfall.
Yeah he's ego can't take it xD i need to maintain my smugness ooohh eehhh
44:59 "It might be that you're watching my chat when I'm debating somebody expectionally stupid. That might be happening right now."
Destiny, that was savage, jesus
This dude reeks of insecurity and defensiveness
Yea that constant fucking smirk he does to try to hide his insecurities LOLLL
I think it's cat piss.
I'm so glad this guy pointed out the horrible abusive behaviour by Destiny, I now feel comfortable telling my story.
One day coming back from school my dad was off sick and I saw him playing my gameboy and when he gave it back he had overwritten my save in pokemon blue and I had lost all my pokemon that I had caught and had to start again.
I've never had the courage to tell this story out of fear of backlash, I'm literally crying and shaking thinking about it.
RIP my Blastoise
I'm sending this to the police right now. So brave to come out. We will have jutice for the absolute slander against Charizard. FYI the best pokemon.
@@richardhands904 You're free to have the wrong opinion.
I mean come on what is charizard even at his best against? Bug types and grass types? Wow your dragon can beat some small insects and a plant.
Meanwhile the Chad thicc boi blastoise can beat fire breathing dragons with water and learns ice moves to beat other dragons.
Plus he has tank turrets on his back, so all other arguments are invalid.
So brave. How you survived that encounter...I just don't know. I'll prayge for you.
@@RealFreedomMG too bad all venusaur has to do is make blastoise go night night and wrap him up with his vines and have his way with the poor little turtle
@@prestoiidx What even is Venusaur? He's an ugly chubby looking dinosaur with a plant on his back.
What is Blastoise? A super bulky turtle with tank turrets.
Also we have to admit, Venusaur is the rapey pokemon. You use sleep powder or stun spore then use leech seed the whole time. Only the worst humans choose Venusaur.
At least Charizard is the 2nd best starter. There's some honor in 2nd place.
I'm a very logical, empathic person and feel like I can usually understand the two sides of any argument but when it comes to people that Destiny debate, I can NEVER understand how they can't understand Destiny's point of view, like AT ALL. How can they be so ignorant?
And more often than not they end up having the same arguments as Destiny but they don't want to admit to it because they don't wanna look bad in front of their audience, it's all about arrogance
Because either they are being very disingenuous or simply don't see him at all. Since he kept interrupting destiny at every turn to argue with something Destiny didn't say, I might say the second.
🤖 ' HELLO MR VERY LOGICAL PERSON. ARE YOU ALSO A FELLOW ROBOT? BEEP BOOP BEEEE33EEIEIEEJIEE.
Right? Like they just WANT him to be wrong because they decided they don’t like him
@@tkyk4893this 100%
He got incredibly defensive and tried to make himself appear small while simultanously throwing personal insults towards D. He REALLY wanted no repercussions for saying shit and owning up to it and then be afraid of the backlash. literally no spine
The leftist sounds like a weasel if you ask me
Dude stop disability shaming him, he's just a small poor small-time streamer from a poor immigrant family who's malnourished from the famine that struck his tiny village. He never got the nutrients to grow a spine as a child :(
No ur wrong, he is fully prepared to take what he gives, see even he said it: 1:03:28
(This is complete sarcasm, this man is a joke almost lolcow level)
So he reverse trolled his son, who was in the process of trolling him, and this is abuse?
As a father, I thought this was a pretty wholesome moment. Something they will both look back on later in life and say "remember that time that I did XYZ?"
100%. And there's nothing better than when they get resourceful enough to get one past you.
Yeah, to me that was such a wholesome cute moment. I can just imagine that kid thinking how fun it would be that get one in over his dad, and that reversal was so funny and just what Destiny would do. Reading an interaction like that as child abuse has to be 100% disingenuous, the person watching has no concept of reading social cues.
@@Kryto_Gaming you only have to listen to him to know that.
It feels like people like this never had a solid father figure in their life.
That's one of the most wholesome moments on destiny's streams
So this guy watched destiny "abusing his child" and didn't immediately contact the police or child protective services? He must be okay with child abuse then.
lol
you my friend, see right through it
Based
@Shawn Allen for sure, BUT let's remember that IF a parent trolls like that many times, it can lead to trust issues and weird lifetime psychological shit, but I'm sure Destiny knows this
@@nakanoyuko >.> i guess, in some small percent of cases
The smug smiles his opponents get when they inexplicably think they're doing well are almost unbearable.
RIGHT!
His community does it sooo much aswell. With every other comment ending with "...". I can just hear the smugness
also the way he says “just maybe…” to make it seem like what destiny said was stupid
That was practically the entire chat of the other guy. The smugness and weird takes were so rampant damn.
Isnt it crazy how hes saying "you shouldnt tell a man stealthing you no because hes already raping you and is gonna get violent because hes already in the middle of committing a crime" but then goes "we should instead be telling men that rape is bad" like youve already created this image of the rapist that knows hes doing rape out of the evilness of his being and you think telling him its bad is gonna change something?
This dude's chat is something else. They can only respond with total outrage, it's like they don't even hear what's being said.
@Blake Bortles Outside of the way he originally phrased his tweets, nothing about the clarifications he gave during this conversation was outrageous. This chat couldn't even entertain the idea that asserting boundaries during sex is something that should be encouraged without assuming Destiny was blaming the stealthing victim for being stealthed - something he clarified he wasn't doing, multiple times. They just reflexively went into outrage mode no matter what was being said.
Imagine stating all men are bad faith actors and then also stating that women should engage in casual sex regardless of their ability to be vocal on boundaries, all within 30 minutes. His chat either has a large overlap with TwoXChromosomes or they all collectively share a single brain cell. (In many cases, the or is inclusive.)
i dont think his chat even know anything they're saying
But he definitely doesnt have an echo chamber like he accuses others of
@Blake Bortles of course Blake Bortles would say this
I like how Duncans chat went from "lol destiny is malding hes sensitive" to going full caps lock meltdown
they weren't even listening to what he was saying, just how he was coming off. actually scratch that, i think they legit couldn't comprehend anything he was saying.
@@env0x all they did was listen for buzz words
@@paytonmacdonald1409 They were trying to pin him down on the web, little did they know...
The one thing Destiny has over literally any other person in Twitch politics is being succinct and to the point.
Also, if we grant him that Destiny "speaks a lot but says nothing" - than in that case I actually prefer that he speaks quickly. Imagine listening to someone who not only "speaks a lot and says nothing", but also does it incredibly slowly. That sounds like literal torture.
Ala Richard Wolff debate
@@aidanhennessey5586 Great example
A la demon mama
@@aidanhennessey5586 lmao I wanted to write Richard Wolff too the goat
This guy is trying to hard to remain cool while being as passive aggressive as humanly possible lmao
Yup. They'll lace every sentence with condescension, smarminess, and passive aggressive barbs, all the while maintaining a "calm" exterior, but then the moment that you point it out or criticise it, they clutch their pearls as though you're attacking them "out of the nowhere".
Best quote of all time "today you're going to be a confident Virgo that doesn't get raped" just made my vision board 🤣
Must be a Vaush fan - I'd recognize Baselessly Smug Style anywhere.
The way he keeps insisting on reassuring destiny that he's cool or "doesn't really care" comes off as insecure lol
@@amuro9624 the cherry on the icecream sundae of this guys insecurity was when he said he did martial arts to increase his confidence. what confidence lmao
It was cute when he was using the “youre upset” line because that’s an easy layup. But once the argument finally started he realized his childish angle didn’t work. He needs to understand nuance instead of trying to be a SJW.
the funny thing is he is advocating for women to be quiet and not confront in the situation of rape. so an SJW i wouldnt call him
If I was this dude, I wouldve oulled out the classic "Youre Really upset"
The clip at the beginning was the sweetest thing I’ve ever seen- my heart melted
Should be a new mini-series called "clout chasers" where insignificant "content creators" try to farm drama. This guy would be front and center in Destiny's series
hahaha.. I support this idea full heartedly
Make it a thing on the reddit and hope that other people start linking them to Destiny.
I am talking directly to you and only you. You have much more agency than you think. This all started from some random chatter posting the link in Destiny's chat.
You only make Destiny look bad by posting these braindead takes. I agree with Destiny on this video but the defense that anyone smaller than you is clout chasing is so fucking annoying. Even if you are correct about him clout chasing, it is the easiest take to dunk on and serves nothing to the conversation. You are just making the argument that viewership somehow adds value to what is said or that this person only made these arguments in bad faith because of their lack of clout, which is just unprovable and very assumptive.
A streamer who didn’t want to discuss, is brought on destiny’s stream at destiny’s request and now the streamer is chasing clout? Lol
Pin this bro, that would be fire
Watching Duncan's chat is actually gaslighting me. Like I'm questioning my reality on how I perceive things.
It was fascinating wasnt it. It's truly eye opening. When you hear about some crazy cancellation in progress, it's places like Duncan's chat where the bots breed that do it
Duncan's chat was a hypocritical cesspool. Literally flopping on a whim to whatever Duncan was agreeing on and nitpicking "OMG HE SAID THE R WORD EVIL DESTINY" and when Duncan said it like 10 minutes later nobody said SHIT about it. On God his chat has me livid I can just drown like a whole monastery of nuns.
Questioning my sanity as I watch this
his chat made me have to look at comments cause they are just up right retards no wonder he can’t say he agrees his community would dump him fast asf
Omg dude that chat was absolutely infuriating lol.
Like 99% of ppl in that chat are complete morons.
This guy accuses Destiny of talking alot without saying anything, and then proceeds to ramble on without saying anything.
a lot*
That guy can't be serious, he did not do well defending anything
The way this guy danced around at the beginning in bad faith, and so transparently, accusing you of what he was doing was maddening. You handle that stuff so well destiny.
This ^
cringe
He also kept running back to the word 'rape', which says a lot. If you have a really specific term for what actually happened, which is 'stealthing', why would you retreat to a more general term? The only reason you'd want to do this, is because the more general word 'rape' includes a whole spectrum of different specific acts with different intensities. Stealthing is probably way at the bottom there. So when you use the more general word 'rape', you suddenly make the thing that actually happened way worse than it actually was. That's gaslighting at its worst and it's a classic example of acting in bad faith.
I know, how he'll did he learn to be so well tempered?
The amount of DEATH THREATS from that guy's chat towards destiny was INSANE towards the end, they were straight up saying he should be killed. How very peaceful of that guy's chat.
Here after Rackets absolutely BTFO’d this dude.
me too. was a joy to behold.
#MeToo 😂
I'm so glad Duncan was on a show like Rekieta's, so more people can see what an awful, horrible person Duncan is.
@@TheDudeSama while this does show duncan in a poor light. it wont change anything his posture right now will not shift whatsoever he will hide in his corner of the internet and cope while he trys to be the thing he hates the most. A Bigot, and worst part is? he will not admit to it so he will continue to live in his echo chamber until either he fails as a content creator or until he loses his platform to speak to others. both which is possible but at the same time he is very very dangerous so long as he has a platform. cause its not only him that is the problem its his followers that would die on a cross for him. Only time will tell how this all ends to be honest and hopefully it just doesn't end in a blood bath.
I admit it. When I was very young me and my younger brother would play halo reach 1v1 and I would screen peek him constantly and win. He didn’t realize I was cheating. I abused my younger brother. Forgive me, lord.
I second this and also ask forgiveness from my younger brother
Wait, is he seriously saying Destiny ABUSED his son because he trolled him once on stream LOL??? Jesus Christ.
If you're embarrassing your kids publicly for clicks and views, yeah that's pretty much what it is. Love to hear how it's not, but something tells me that I shouldn't hold my breath waiting!
Dude's after that sweet, sweet clout.
and that’s because his son was trolling him. it was mad cute wtf shit so weird on the internet.
@@GreyKnight7777 it was a cute back and forth between a father and son. Calm down.
@@GreyKnight7777 Did your dad never play and joke around with you?
reading this guy's chat reacting to Destiny's arguments is fucking hilarious, thanks for including that in the video
Lefty chat in response to any argument:
"??????????"
"WHAT"
"yikes"
"WTF??"
"holy fucking shit"
"WOW"
"what the fucking hell"
"oh my fucking god"
@@emperortgp2424
"Oh Boi"
"That's A Hot Take"
"Did He Just?"
"BRUH"
"Again, WHAT"
"I Can't Even"
@@emperortgp2424 "HE SAID THE R WORD AGAIN!!!"
No I hate it urrgggggghhhhhhhhhh
No it makes me mad seeing so many people not be able to grasp the conversation even though hes talking through it several times and a easy way. Some even extrapolated on some shitty takes.
The word "awkward" was actually the entire problem.
If someone's feels "awkward" about not asserting boundaries during sex, then maybe they shouldn't be having casual sex.
But if someone's feels like they're in DANGER, that's VERY DIFFERENT than feeling AWKWARD.
Destiny, you are nearing full Jedi level with your improved ability to remain calm in the presence of bullshit. Love ya man, keep up the great work!
people who call destiny's audience circle jerky are kinda showing their hand in a lot of ways. he does a reall good job of explaining everything explicitly and yet everyone he debates assumes he's trying to trap them and bait them into saying shit....when in reality they've been saying shit the whole time
That's not why destiny fans are a circle jerk, they're a circle jerk because they agree with the party position no matter what. It's not that they're circle jerking destiny, it's that they circle jerk their political orthodoxy. Destiny simply aligns with that orthodoxy a lot of the time, regardless of how poorly he actually argues it, thus he gets their support. It's why destiny fans to this day still say destiny beat naked ape on their debate, when any third party could clearly see that destiny was out of his depth.
It has nothing to do with it being destiny making the shit argument, and everything to do with the shit argument aligning with their political bias. It's also why them turn on him in a second if he disagrees with the party's orthodoxy. That's where the circle jerking, sycophantic aspect comes from. It's a circle jerk of intersectionalism, not a circle jerk of destiny. Destiny is the vehicle, not the road.
Destiny is a shit debater, though. He gish gallops like a mother fucker, he also moves the goal post constantly if he feels he's losing at all on a point. Though his worst crime when it comes to debate is his obsession with appealing to authority. Every time he encounters someone who knows more than him he falls back to appeals to authority and consensus.
pushing a co-op partner off a cliff is such a DAD thing to do, it's actually hilarious, hell if my dad knew how to play video games, I bet he would have done all the dad trolls he could possibly do in a virtual world and even 4 year old me would have known it's all done with humor and good faith. it's absurd how this guy get's upset about this interaction and it makes me wonder how down at the bottom of the barrell he had to scrap that this is "abuse".
I think all the "in a video game" memes are starting to warp their perception of reality...
my dad would intentionally throw interceptions to make us lose in madden '05, i would cry, he would laugh. Fond memories lol
Hope this guy doesn't catch me throwing my niece into the air or I fear I may never see the bra- I mean sweet little angel again.
This guy would say that "pull my finger" and farting joke is abuse dude.
i alkso remember when he was playing StarCraft 2 with Nathan and Nathan wanted to do VS and destiny said "no" because he didnt want to beat his son nor let him win so he made him play co-op. Then while playing, Nathan kept messing with him and Destiny threatened to blow up his base if he didnt stop "Nathan dont attack me or im gonna nuke you Base! Ooookaaay, here i go!" Nathan laughed and told him he was just trolling him. All this to say, Steven is a good dad, just unconventional since he isnt around his son all the time.
Love this, at 35:38 Destiny makes probably the most to-the-point summary and statement about his position that is probably the most important thing said here, the other person reacts with maybe the worst misinterpretation possible of the statement, and his chat has a fit about Destiny using the dreaded R-word which was referring to a hypothetical woman, not any actual person, and doesn't even take in the statement. Truly incredible.
They got so stun locked it was hilarious.
I love that this guy was such a powerhouse with political content that he gave up on making content. What an intellectual powerhouse
This is so hilarious. Dude is in panic mode immediately, realizing he has to own up to the irresponsible things he’s said.
He was in snapping turtle mode. Bite, then retract into his shell. It was awful.
10 bucks says this dude is a closet creep
The point Destiny was trying to push was that if you’re not comfortable setting boundaries mid sex, you shouldn’t be having casual sex in the first place. It seems like a simple solution to help decrease the amount of rapes. However, I saw nobody in Duncan’s chat who understood what was being said. They were just busy being appalled at arguments Destiny was no where close to saying.
Additionally, Destiny is saying that not all agency should be placed on the man during a sexual encounter. The woman does have some power to control the sexual encounter whether that be before or during it. Destiny thinks it sucks that social media writes off any attempts at giving the woman pointers for better utilizing their agency (they write it off as victim blaming). There is a difference between victim blaming and victim criticism. The former is only meant to hurt and push blame upon the victim. The latter is meant to help the victim and those reading to better prepare/prevent becoming a victim.
A good example is of this is if a girl asks you to eat her out and you don't want. If you cannot tell her "No, I do not want ti" bc you're afraid of how awkward the situation will be, then do noy engage in sexual activity with stangers. If she forces your head into her coochie even after you state no, then thats OBVIOUSLY a completetly different situation.
this guys mad that a father and son are playing games together and get along so well that they can mess with each other and the kid just laughs? what a miserable dude
This guy's constant interrupting is so annoying, and his chat is saying that Destiny is the one interrupting??? How can anyone be so delusional?
Most people are incapable of looking at an actual conversation and are projecting shit & defending their idols and ppl they ike
My impression was that destiny got interrupted a lot towards the beginning, but as the conversation progressed it evened out in terms of interruptions.
@@mechamechV2I agree. Destiny got interrupted constantly in the beginning but was interrupting the other guy more at the end.
I think he also eeked out more speaking time eventually.
Duncan's chat was mind-numbing. An hour into the conversation and there are still comments implying that Destiny approves of rape, or proposes that rapists shouldn't be punished. And predictably, the "car theft" analogy provoked angered comments suggesting that Destiny is saying cars are basically women.
or the "why does destiny keep bringing up black people" "destiny more like destined to say racial slurs"
it's actually hilarious
Ikr. The point Destiny was trying to push was that if you’re not comfortable setting boundaries mid sex, you shouldn’t be having casual sex in the first place. It seems like a simple solution to help decrease the amount of rapes. However I saw nobody in Duncan’s chat who understood what was being said. They were just busy being appalled at arguments Destiny was no where close to saying.
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The echo chamber comment seemed a bit rich coming from him
They never let the "r word" shit go lmao
@@mazdaroadster-mx5 It's funny because retard is not an actual slur... it's a condition. And he never called the specific woman or rape victims retarded children, he said people like Duncan pretend they are with the advice they are giving them that removes their agency from a situation where they very much still have it.
Off the bat you can tell this dude loves that Destiny wants to talk to him about what he said, and he feels like there's no way Destiny will be right or convince him about anything
If you're an Uber driver and you're unable to confront a passenger who won't wear a seat belt then you shouldn't be an uber driver. If the passenger takes off the seat belt half way through the ride and you are unable to tell them to put it back on then you shouldn't be driving uber. If the passenger is very aggressive or angry and you feel unsafe confronting them then its reasonable to say nothing. However, anyone who's worked in customer service knows that most people are scared of being reprimanded. None of these examples put any blame on the driver for the actions of the passenger.
are you comparing rape to wearing a seatbelt /s
If you cannot control your passengers, it is dangerous to be an uber driver.
Yes.
@@ahmedshaikh7662 did you feel the wind go past your head?
@@sir.bendover3299 did you?
@@bigdawg6734 yes 😭
I'll pivot by saying it was meta humor
Wow. I have never seen a better example of if you don’t say something EXACTLY how I want you to, then I can’t agree with you even though you are demonstrating that I agree with you. And I have to say this is one of the best examples I have seen of Destiny holding back when he is clearly talking to someone who doesn’t understand what he’s saying. Also a pretty good example of patiently dealing with a passive aggressive person who feels they are morally superior.
“Passive aggressive person who feels they are morally superior” is the PERFECT description of this dude in this conversation. I hate when ppl act like this; It feels like a constant optics battle. Almost like high school. It’s sad that ppl still feel the need to act this way.
The constant petty patronising and looking down his nose smugly while spewing dogshit take after dogshit take was making my stomach turn.
@@aWildNelby Very true
Him and his entire chat are simpletons, and anything with nuance is code language
It’s wild to me that any advice aimed at women to reduce sexual assault is automatically turned into victim blaming.
When I think of ways to minimize and mitigate the risks of myself being physically assaulted am I victim blaming?
Is the only fair way to discuss those matters solely directed at those who might physically assault me?
Given the reality that individuals exists that would cross personal boundaries and assault a person without provocation, why does the cohort shouting “victim blaming” look to only address aggressors that obviously almost exclusively exist outside the realm of their influence.
reminds me of when i get told i should watch my bags and look out for thieves when i visit venice and i shout "STOP VICTIM BLAMING ME!!"
you know someone is a special brand of scumbag when they bring up someone’s kid out of thin air so they can make a quick dunk on you
You can never trust a redcoat or an Australian or whatever he is.
But saying women who can’t defend themselves when being raped shouldn’t have casual sex is just regular everyday-brand scumbag? Lol
@@rogerbriggs8102 Since you also can't seem to understand, I'll restate this nice and slow for you. "If you cannot state your boundaries during a sexual encounter, you should not be having casual sex." This has nothing to do with "can defend themselves" as much as you want to agree with that strawman.
@@rogerbriggs8102 But saying women who didn't take martial arts shouldn't either is what?
@@kyle8971 whatever charitable reading you want to give to the phrasing has nothing to do with my point, which was that Destiny’s response is scummy. Retort that premise.
I learn so much about how to deal with bullies just by watching these interactions. Thank you so much Destiny
"Yes, and?" is fun, throws people off.
It may be that this isn't the full clip, but to me it seemed like they were trying to prank each other and that Nathan laughed by end of it. What am I missing?
THEY LITERALLY AGREE ON EVERYTHING! HE'S JUST LOOKING AND REACHING HAAARD TO FIGHT WITH DESTINY
the disagreement is that he thinks giving women agency and responsibility is blaming them for their fate. destiny does not.
He's virtue signaling so he can stealth later. He's admitted to being non-confrontational, remember?
@@bennymountain1 LOLOLOLOL
@@bennymountain1 Frankly, I actually believed that hearing him, he wants women to sit back and take it, why would ANYONE want that aside from having an easier time doing that shit themselves?
1:07:34
This guy is a smug, performative hypocrite giving '''advice''' that's dangerous to women, gives them a false sense of security and has no understanding of the reality of casual sex
It's what happens when you have a crowd of SJW turbovirgins talk to each other without any outside interference.
Epic “making accusations about a child and father’s relationship without actually knowing anything about them” moment
The kid literally says, "YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!" WHILE LAUGHING! WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS DUUDE. Guess this dude is getting his 15 min and a dgg hate club
yeah, the giggling (without any tickling) makes it extremely clear, that there is no abuse, and no exploitation.
Tbf, i don't know if that's the clip he was referring to.
I think he was referring from some time ago when destiny was messing with Nathan on Mirror's Edge, like he tricked him into falling off or something like that -- he did seem pretty upset that one time.
Idk if I'd classify that as child abuse, though.
Even more funny because his son was trying to trick Destiny that you could "hack the game" and destiny just played along with it.
1:07:30 Holy shit this guy pivoted so hard I'm worried he might sue for damages to his ankles. Yes, lets all take martial arts classes specifically to be able to remain calm under stress. Definitely not a skill you can learn independently. I love how by the end here he's literally agreeing with Destiny but still trying to find small straw men to disagree on.
Destiny confronting his critics like this is a smart move.
1. He showed how weaselly this guy is. It started with "you are mad thats why you wanted to talk to me" or I'm so small uwu, why pick on me for trashing you?".
2. When confronted, the more weaslly people will attempt to talk over him and pivot whenever they are cornered or know a question isn't going their way.
3. How hard they'll misrepresent his argument in order for their argument to be correct.
The second he tried to claim that what Destiny is saying is basically saying "look at what she's wearing? She deserved it." Was the point for me. It's clear the guy is trying to fight a dragon that isn't there. He wants that pat on the back and good boi points so badly that he's willing to make an extreme jump into territory that wasn't even close.
What?! That was adorable and endearing! I have daughters 6 years old and an 11 year old and each of them would’ve laughed so hard at that joke. As long as you stay in good faith and are able to actively assess your child’s capacity for more complex humor, an attentive parent is totally within their right to JOKE AROUND with their kids! It’s healthy. Note: I’m only a few minutes in and only saw the first clip of game play when Steven’s son said, “you make me laugh.”
The most frustrating part about this is the other guys chat being visible. I can deal with 1 guy lazily making non-points, but knowing that there's 200 odd people following him spouting off that shit, WHILE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, really is too much.
So much this, I have no idea how can Destiny handle all of this dumb and toxic shit without getting a stroke because I would by now.
My favorite part was when Destiny made the black person comparison and the whole chat acted like he just said the nword
I feel you... I was fuming at what dumb shit the chat was saying like holy shit...
I don't mind the chats usually because it's like that in most chats (inc Destiny's chat). The thing that bothered me, is that guy saying Destiny's chat is proof of echo chamber, while his chat was exactly the same.
Some of his points were read from chat 1:1. And he admitted at one point "I can see your chat right now". So yeah, he lets twitch chat do his thinking..
It was actually really impressive seeing him start the conversation by saying Destiny was a fast talking, interrupting debate bro that says so much but nothing at all... And then commences doing exactly that throughout the entire conversation.
Projecting will do that to ya.
Also don't have casual sex with someone if you think they will be violent.
Duncan? LOL. Dude's a goof
dudes a goofster
At least he isn't a pedophile 🤷🏼♂️
Like, what happened to him?
@@wikiwill2837 setting the bar low huh lol?
Putting the chat on screen was diabolical. An hour of "So basically this guy is saying don't have sex if you don't like getting raped??!" has me malding pretty bad.
It's funny to see the contrast between the chats, it's like a group of people supporting their favorite team and hating on the opposite team for absolutely anything.
"Holy shit he is trying to speak like sonic." A actual quote in his chat lol.
when destiny is trying his hardest to not speed up
had me rolling
God forbid a female have an ounce of accountability
The fact that Destiny could say “men who stealth/date rape will push for as much as they can but they don’t want confrontation so if you assert your boundaries they’ll probably stop” and this dude’s chat immediately starts spamming “OMG HES MAKING A BOYS WILL BE BOYS ARGUMENT I HATE HIM” tells me everything I need to know about his community
That mod at 29:53 who’s like “it’s fine when he cuts Duncan off but if Duncan wants to finish a thought it’s not” has me wheezing
Destiny was being kid gloves with this dude and let him run the entire conversation up to like 5 minutes before this point. That mod is fucking crazy if he thinks Destiny is trying to overpower here
I don't think they were discussing the same thing. They should have agreed on the premise before even starting the discussion. It seemed like they were discussing 'what was said when' vs 'the validity of what was said'. I don't think he disagrees with destiny's advice. I think he disagrees with the timing of it, because (according the leftist) it seemed a bit harsh.
I'm sorry, but I haven't made it past the first minute, but did this fool just use a clip of Destiny making his son audibly laugh as evidence that is abusing him? Like wtf
Destiny you're a real one. " Hold on! You're giving my stream pro rape advice. " " I'm muting you" . Much respect
I'm a therapist who works with teens. When we talk about rape and trauma the primary thing is to validate the trauma but also to give power back to them. This constant validation strips their power away and agency an doesn't help people who are victimized They need to move on by finding ways they can feel safe and yes that includes giving them agency In fact the primarily relies on agency on their end.
You can tell the kid was abused and emotionally damaged. The giggles of joy are a dead giveaway
You can tell how uncomfortable he is just simply conversing with Destiny because of how hostile and rigid he is right off the bat.
The opposing chat was also hilarious to read lmao
@@KennedyIvy apparently it's not a proper real word. conversing is what he means.
@@KennedyIvy I meant conversing, conversating isn’t even a real word.
This guy said destiny talks fast, rambles, and interrupts then did exactly that the whole convo
A person shares a traumatic experience on Twitter about a gunman who entered the same restaurant they were at, the gunman kills eight people, injures four, and police capture this person. This person survived the experience and shares about it on Twitter.
People see this public post and begin to share and one person decides to share some tips to avoid being in this position, or, to give yourself the upper hand in this kind of position. This person states, when you first enter a public venue, take note of the entrances / exits and try to place yourself near a lesser used exit, for example, near the back door of a restaurant, or, if this is not possible, near an exit that will give you access into the kitchen where exits out of the building may exist. Also, consider getting a conceal carry license.
Is this person "victim shaming?" If you say yes, you are full of shit.
Why are we not allowed to talk about mitigation strategies and steps people can take to protect themselves? Like, in this weird, utopian world, by the mere fact of believing that people should never be forced to do something they don't want to do sexually, this leads to people ARE NEVER forced to do something they don't want to do sexually. This is a "if I close my eyes, no one will see me" argument.
Protect yourself. If you are starting to feel uncomfortable during a sexual encounter, it is time to stop, regardless of whether the situation is over something specific or not. If you find yourself more often than not uncomfortable, you should reconsider your decision to have casual sex on such a frequent basis (or at all).
News flash, casual sex, especially with people you don't know is significantly more risky (for a variety of reasons and situations that may arise) than sex with someone you know well and have had previous sexual experiences with.
This is not "victim blaming," this is common sense advice. No one is blaming victims, we are trying to tell you and others how to reduce the risks in the future.
Theres a concept in social psychology called Ambivalent Sexism. It basically states that sexism in society can be sub divided into hostile sexism and benevolent sexism. Hostile sexism is what we all know as negative views of women and the negative treatment of them that usually follows. Benevolent sexism however, views women as inherently more pure, virtuous and cultured than men and views them as needing protection and special treatment.
I'd love to see people who argue like duncan to take the test associated with the concept, because their advice leads me to believe they likely hold a lot of benevolently sexist beliefs. It's either that, or a weird form of masochism, where they get a thrill out of flagellating themselves as members of the group 'men' to collect brownie points.
@@synlion both these comments were actually genuinely interesting to read, thanks for the time you took to write them
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the way destiny completely dismantles everything this guy says is fucking hilarious
Geez, I used to like Duncan for his Pokemon videos, sad to see how far he and his community has fallen. I suppose thats what happens when someone hard switches into politics without the right mindset. (Also love how Duncan says Destiny's community circle-jerks him, while his chat is a mixture of either Destiny is brainlet or Duncan opinion good.)
Destiny’s sub absolutely went mental on Destiny over this twitter mini arc. The entire day every other post was roasting him for being way too inflammatory. Say what you will but Dgg does not circlejerk him.
@@abednegokurio9244 Yeah, I'll fully admit I'm not a big of how inflammatory Destiny was in his initial tweet (though it it twitter so what do you expect), but even outside of this situation, Destiny's community clowns on him more than any other community I've ever seen or been a part of.
he’s the guy who invented the pokemon free for alls huh
@@mediumchicago_pizza Yeah or at least one of the first people to do it back in the day.
His use of the word echo chamber doesn't even make sense. Destiny's whole brand is talking to people he disagrees with. Of course his community will largely agree with his takes, but as long as he isn't adjusting his opinions to what we want to hear and talks to people he disagrees with more than he talks to his community, he can't in good faith be accused of fostering an echo chamber.
The addition of this dudes chat was an amazing decision! I couldn't stop reading it the whole time.
he's so clearly trying to find an out throughout the entire conversation, knowing fully well that he's been caught in his lie.
Imagine watching a horror movie and yelling "no you idiot what are you doing!" and then the person next to you goes "omg are you saying it's their fault for being murdered??"
And then the third dies laughing
49:48 someone in Duncan's chat unironically saying that they "leave their car unlocked because they would rather replace a cup than a window"
smartest duncan chatter
I think it is very interesting to read both chats during these arguments and watch how people absorb the same dialog and information in completely different ways without any form of acknowledgment for the other side...
56:06 - my heart sunk, holy shit I cannot believe what this guy just said that. I was on the fence with Destiny, I understood where his point was coming from, but still thought it was a bit wild to play the "blame the victim" card. However, after the guy on the right starting saying that women should just basically "lay there at take it", was the nail in the coffin for me and his arguments. As a guy, the level of fear that I felt when he said that was horrible. NO ONE should lay there and be traumatized, hence why I understood where Destiny was coming from at first. That is absolutely terrifying that dude on the right would even say that casually. It is simply anti-progressive and takes away all the power from women to tell them to simply become victims of SA (let alone r*pe). I am terrified, disgusted and appalled. Destiny is being critical, but he is right. Women need to be be stern with their boundaries and be careful with who they hook up with, as well as men.
Sinister world
Seriously, look in his chat and you can see someone saying "Sometimes it's easier to just take the d and leave after". The fact that this could, even only theoretically, be a rapist tacitly encouraging this, means your stance is not a good one. "Yeah girls, guys are scary, if you speak up you might get killed, huh? ;)" - Is this a progressive worried about women or a rapist?
I do not see it as "Blame the victim". Destiny, I am guessing here, would be for the man getting in trouble for stealthing. He is not saying they should be able to stealth. He is, however, saying the woman should try to avoid BECOMING the victim by not being able to do the basic act of speaking up.
It's amazing when a male feminist is against female assertiveness.
@@claytoncourtney1309 He explicitly stated "If someone stealths you, they're a fucking asshole, leave them".
The other guy can't deal with two different things being true at once. He's got a binary mind. It's either _this_ or, _that._ Nuance is beyond his capacities.
ARREST August it should be a crime to be subjected to all this Destiny content
it's genuinely fascinating to see this dudes chat reacting, they are totally missing the point so widely it's genuinely shocking
It's so fun to see how guys like this start the conversation thinking they're winning and they have control of the conversation but then they become smaller and smaller until they see how Destiny just took over and they look stupid so they just attack his personal life choices
Dude’s chat is wild.
Destiny: I’ve never said it’s the person’s fault for being raped. Obviously rape is bad.
Chat: Is this guy unironically saying that rape should be the fucking standard?
The sequel!
Duncan: says something about putting drugs in the girls drink to rape them
Destiny: You don’t have to roofie a girl to date rape her and that’s not even how date rape usually happens.
Duncan’s chat: Roofies were never brought up lol.
this guy is moderately smart, probably a grifter. He might have the stupidest chat on twitch.
His chat is litterally brainrotting in real time
I hated Austin put this dudes chat in lmao I’m literally triggered
Destiny: “Retarded child”
Duncan’s chat: I hate this man for saying the r word!!!!
Duncan: “Retarded child”
Duncan’s chat: watch yo pofamity
I'm so, so glad you include the other guy's chat in these so that at times like 44:47 when they accuse Destiny's chat of circle jerking, the irony is right next to (or under) them
Destiny: *provides of an example of being robbed, another thing that makes people feel violated, being something that is not your fault but there are ways to minimize the risk of that happening*
An actual person in this dude's chat right after: "is it your responsibility to not get raped???"
This guy is one of the most dishonest, disingenuous, bad faith interlocutors I’ve ever seen. He keeps committing Strawman after Strawman. His levels of projection are off the charts as well.
“That’s child abuse in my eyes” Lol This dude should try growing up with a Mexican mom.
😂😂😂😂brooo you just gave me flashbacks with this comment I grew up in a Hispanic household and beatings would occur when I did something bad I’m kinda glad I used to get hit because if not I would of grown up to be a idiot.
Wow idk how destiny doesn't lose his mind on guys like this lol the smug half smiles while talking with a full mouth. This is this dude's Superbowl and he's trying so hard to pretend he's not nervous it's genuinely hilarious
1:04:25 The other guy's chat is completely wrong Destiny LOVES black people
this was wonderful. this guy tells you that you interrupted him twice as much and then later when you press him on it, he suddenly does not know and cant even guess as to who did it more. not to mention this guy is on a list of probably hundreds of people that destiny debated where they cant answer a simple question because they know that the question is presented so that their views can be set in stone and destiny can move on but they want to make him look bad on the point so they refuse to answer. Im a new viewer so i just unloaded alot lol. Thanks for the content Destiny.
PS, just got to the end and now this guy is saying that destiny was the one that led the debate back to the specific person even though I remember multiple times where he was the one that led the topic back to that and throughout the entire argument destiny for the most part i think is talking about society and then he only switches the topic when the other guy was. sorry if I state the obvious, i just need to get my energy out lol.
August the addition of the other persons chat is genius. Keep up the good work.
I have never felt such hatred
Seeing this other guy’s chat is fascinating. Please editor, include that more often!
I didn’t feel like Destiny was criticizing her or saying it was her fault. I thought it was just good advice for the future. For whatever reason, she keeps running into creeps & she’s been taken advantage of multiple times. If she can’t stand up for her boundaries, which is really important when engaging in casual sex, she should perhaps take a step back from that activity until she can handle those situations. We all should mitigate risk & harm to ourselves as much as we can. It’s not going to guarantee you’ll always be safe, but it cuts the chances down of getting hurt. I live in the sticks, we’ve got coyotes. They are pretty nocturnal around here so because I don’t want to get attacked, I don’t go walking out in the woods at night. If I went out in the woods 3 times and each time I was attacked and didn’t do anything to defend myself, I would expect someone to say don’t go in the woods at night. 🤷🏼♀️
As an MMA student I can attest to destiny saying that bit about BJJ. I used to train with my coaches daughter who was amazing at BJJ gold metal at most tournaments she went to. My coach would always have her roll with me when I had white belt and the difference in size frame and weight were super apparent. Stay safe out there and honestly to both men and woman the best thing to do if there’s a fight is just to run violence is a wild thing
The alt-f4 bit was really wholesome