With regard to grip position, my interpretation of why the left hand should be rolled over to the left was due to the forward shaft lean at impact. I haven't experimented with this grip concept yet but I suspect that the mantra of "swinging toward the target" counters that assertion?
hello, anybody can tell me if at impact manuel have his hand forward the club head in order to compress with the lag. if yes i dont understand his grip. thx for you replies guys
Ernest has been expounding the gospel of swing, not hit, for many, many years. I do not think the golfing world in general disagrees with Ernest. They cannot; his idea that the hands are even 90% of the game can be true, but his doctrine ends abruptly, because he does not go the step further and tell his pupils HOW to use their hands better in order to advance in their golf. I find that most of my pupils have a swing. You can go on swinging a club till you are blue in the face and never gain a yard in length unless you work on the ‘heart of the swing’ - the just-before-and-after-impact section. This cannot be glossed over.” - HENRY COTTON
in my opinion, every instructor should be under the tutelage of Manuel de la Torre or at least someone that has adopted his concepts but that will never happen because of money. These concepts have reverted me back to the way I thought as a kid when I started playing golf. Hence why I can count on 1 hand how many "lessons" I've attempted to take. None of them helped and two gave me back my money because they admitted they couldn't figure out what I was doing. I entered every lesson with one demand. "Don't mess with my swing." HaHa. We're on the right track here guys and gals.
Great stuff, yet here's the thing. Harvey Penick teaches almost the complete opposite of MdlT's advice, who do you believe? His reasons are sound, too. Golf instruction has been contradictory for centuries, not sure that will ever change...
You try it and see if it works for you. There is no one answer in golf otherwise Bubba would swing like Furyk who would swing like Couples who would swing like Moe Norman. Personally I use the Hogan grip. Club held by the upper hand with the last three fingers and the lower hand using pressure from 2 fingers only. I've tried different things and always come back to that. I also take a very firm grip whereas some say to take a light grip. I'm inconsistent with a light grip.
Honestly Penick was sort of a hack compared to de la Torre. Harvey was body focused, and of that school probably the simplest and most home spun. He has two amazing students due to proximity. Crenshaw and Kite. One terrible ball striker and one average one. He was a decent teacher for some. Manuel is club focused and doesn’t care about ability level. He was teaching a concept. Manuel de la Torre is late to be recognized but is undoubtedly in my opinion the definitive legend. Everyone else was pecking at pieces of the truth. MDLT is it. He figured it out. People refused to listen because it didn’t seem explicit enough. He nailed the contradictions by “becoming the club” and recognizing all bodies are different. He is the greatest teacher of all time, bar none. Second is not close. Period. Full stop.
Harvey actually didn't teach different than md they just arrived at ideas from different teaching, their grip teaching was the same, they both taught balance. Harvey was not a body teacher or a hands teacher, he taught golf and taught it well. His pupils, davis love jr,mickey wright,judy kimball, tom kite,ben Crenshaw, kathy whiteworth,Morris williams ,betsy rawls. Most were multiple major winners and all were great players. Someone in these replies called him a hack, well that tells me they are golf illiterate. Anyway both were great teachers but Harvey's player pedigree is very impressive.
Thank you for the videos John, so much valuable knowledge on all of them.
Love all the golf bags laying on the ground. This was obviously filmed before the invention of the modern stand bag.
Thank you sir for posting these golfing jewels!
Thanks for posting these videos John!
Hey John, thanks so much for this. I've watched them all. I greatly appreciate you passing these!
This helped me so much thank you
Vintage, wonderful clinic from one of the Masters of Instruction.....and not one bag stand bag in the background!
GOLF GOLD!
With regard to grip position, my interpretation of why the left hand should be rolled over to the left was due to the forward shaft lean at impact. I haven't experimented with this grip concept yet but I suspect that the mantra of "swinging toward the target" counters that assertion?
The best grip ever I play for years with it and am 3 handicap
Thanks
I would like to know where this was recorded??? Thank you John great video for 1987!!!
Possibly Milwaukee Country Club
Why is the glove worn on the lead hand?
hello, anybody can tell me if at impact manuel have his hand forward the club head in order to compress with the lag.
if yes i dont understand his grip. thx for you replies guys
I have his grip and my hands are in front of the ball at impact.
Ernest has been expounding the gospel of swing, not hit, for many, many years. I do not think the golfing world in general disagrees with Ernest. They cannot; his idea that the hands are even 90% of the game can be true, but his doctrine ends abruptly, because he does not go the step further and tell his pupils HOW to use their hands better in order to advance in their golf. I find that most of my pupils have a swing. You can go on swinging a club till you are blue in the face and never gain a yard in length unless you work on the ‘heart of the swing’ - the just-before-and-after-impact section. This cannot be glossed over.” - HENRY COTTON
Henry Cotton was a great player and teacher, im older now and strengthen my hands daily, i like his tire drills.
in my opinion, every instructor should be under the tutelage of Manuel de la Torre or at least someone that has adopted his concepts but that will never happen because of money. These concepts have reverted me back to the way I thought as a kid when I started playing golf. Hence why I can count on 1 hand how many "lessons" I've attempted to take. None of them helped and two gave me back my money because they admitted they couldn't figure out what I was doing. I entered every lesson with one demand. "Don't mess with my swing." HaHa. We're on the right track here guys and gals.
V of both hands on top feels weird.
One month later I'm hitting the prettiest iron shots of my life!
How are your irons 2 years later?
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Great stuff, yet here's the thing. Harvey Penick teaches almost the complete opposite of MdlT's advice, who do you believe? His reasons are sound, too. Golf instruction has been contradictory for centuries, not sure that will ever change...
You try it and see if it works for you. There is no one answer in golf otherwise Bubba would swing like Furyk who would swing like Couples who would swing like Moe Norman. Personally I use the Hogan grip. Club held by the upper hand with the last three fingers and the lower hand using pressure from 2 fingers only. I've tried different things and always come back to that. I also take a very firm grip whereas some say to take a light grip. I'm inconsistent with a light grip.
I will go with the guy that Moe Norman improved his game!!😁
Honestly Penick was sort of a hack compared to de la Torre. Harvey was body focused, and of that school probably the simplest and most home spun. He has two amazing students due to proximity. Crenshaw and Kite. One terrible ball striker and one average one. He was a decent teacher for some. Manuel is club focused and doesn’t care about ability level. He was teaching a concept. Manuel de la Torre is late to be recognized but is undoubtedly in my opinion the definitive legend. Everyone else was pecking at pieces of the truth. MDLT is it. He figured it out. People refused to listen because it didn’t seem explicit enough. He nailed the contradictions by “becoming the club” and recognizing all bodies are different. He is the greatest teacher of all time, bar none. Second is not close. Period. Full stop.
Harvey actually didn't teach different than md they just arrived at ideas from different teaching, their grip teaching was the same, they both taught balance. Harvey was not a body teacher or a hands teacher, he taught golf and taught it well. His pupils, davis love jr,mickey wright,judy kimball, tom kite,ben Crenshaw, kathy whiteworth,Morris williams ,betsy rawls. Most were multiple major winners and all were great players. Someone in these replies called him a hack, well that tells me they are golf illiterate. Anyway both were great teachers but Harvey's player pedigree is very impressive.
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