Another Exceptional Addon! | Part 1: Black Square Turbine Duke | Full Flight Preview / Review | MSFS
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In this video, we take a look at the Black Square / Just Flight Turbine Duke, available within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We'll be taking our Turbine Duke on a short trip, from Sedona (KSEZ), up to Grand Canyon National Airport (KGCN).
Part 2 (Piston Duke): • Another Exceptional Ad...
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
ASUS Z790
Intel Core i9 13900K 5.8GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
64GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight! - เกม
An update on what the dev has said about release: the Dukes have been tied to the SU15 update because of 1) an issue with the WT Garmin 530 that requires a manual work-around at the moment that SU15 would have fixed, and 2) making use of the new ground handling in SU15. However, with the recent delay, the developer said yesterday on the JustFlight forums that they are considering a pre-SU15 release and have mitigated these remaining issues. So , hopefully it will be out sooner rather than later!
Yep all correct and yes it will be out soon, very soon we hope.
@@justflight I really hope so. I rather have the Dukes now, but with those known issues* than without them, but later. I would guess that most people that are waiting for those aircraft think similarly.
*(which are going to be resolved very timely anyways with the SU15)
I will be quite happy to have a pre SU15 model happily accept the minor issues
@@justflight any form of time estimate (like this week or within a week kinda estimate)?
Oh this is good news! Holding back such a masterpiece like the Duke because of "the eternal SU15 that will never be" for 10 more weeks (or even half a year or no one knows how often SU15 is getting delayed agein) would be outright false :) True art like the Duke must be honoured, and some small GNS530 issue can easily be patched with some small hotfix at the end of 2027 when SU15 is released.
Excellent video! Well Done! Black Square should be proud to have you demonstrating their product!
The Beechcraft 60 Duke is a twin-engine, six-seater fixed-wing aircraft developed and manufactured by Beechcraft. The aircraft has retractable tricycle landing gear and a pressurized cabin. The two piston engines are turbocharged, and the turbochargers also pressurize the cabin with bleed air. Some Dukes have been modified by Rocket Engineering of Spokane, Washington, replacing the Lycoming reciprocating engines with Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-21 or -35 turbine engines. The modification does have some disadvantages as it increases fuel burn from 210 to 250 L/h and lowers the certified ceiling from 30,000 to 28,000 ft (9,100 to 8,500 m). The last variant, the B60, was introduced in 1974. Production was discontinued in 1983. Despite its excellent performance, the Beechcraft 60 was only a moderate bestseller, mainly because the complicated technology required a high level of maintenance. Built to the quality standards of a King Air, the Duke sported 380-hp, Lycoming TIO-541 engines - rare beasts, those - which means when both come due for overhaul, the choice is the overhaul or buying a small house in the Midwest. In a few days, anyone can buy this MSFS 2020 add-on for a fistful of dollars. Without risking a fortune. And without blowing at least 170 liters of aviation fuel into the atmosphere in a single hour. When planning cross-country flights, piston engine pilots typically assume a fuel burn of 170 liters per hour, plus another 150 liters for each takeoff and climb. Owners compare the Beechcraft B60 to classic sports cars and emphasize that they don't fly the Duke to save money. Oh, the Beechcraft Duke. What a beautiful airplane. It has always been one of my favorites. I've seen them flying in real life from time to time. But they are rare. Another exceptional preview by Into the Blue Simulations. Black Square’s Piston Duke brings you one of the most technically advanced aircraft simulations for Microsoft Flight Simulator, with an advanced reciprocating engine simulation, over 120 possible failures and the most advanced turbocharger, pressurisation and cabin temperature simulations in MSFS.
Many thanks, Peter! Interesting, as always : )
This is the kind of add-on I'd love to make an around the globe flight with!
I will too... I already had one in the making with the A2A Comanche, but I think I will start over with the piston Duke... It could take the Crown the A2A C250
@@Tom__Lto be fair the A2A has so much detail modeled such as airframe wear and damage, visible pax and cargo, icing, full external aerodynamics/flight model. I know the Duke will be amazing but mate I’d finish the tour in the Comanche!
@@boudewijnzwaal8186 Yep, the A2A is amazing and hard to beat. But the Comanche is not a very complex aircraft in general. I like the more complex ones and the Duke has nearly everything you can dream of. From a second engine to pressurization, turbochargers and a complete deicing system and cool stuff like the oldschool RNAV system. I love to fly VOR only.
DC-6 might be a good candidate too
@@ancientmonotheism5118 hehe, complexity wise the DC-6 is truly amazing. But I like small airfields, and low flying. Not the right plane for that. 😄
Pizza, Coca Cola and a new into the blue video. perfect.😊
Praise the Duke the most sophisticated luxurious GA cruiser that ever was and ever will be.
Sold. Simple as that really. And I’ll be taking both variants.
Hurray ! Glad you are covering the turbine, it’s my favourite of the two.
this is a real gem
Most comprehensive review I've heard so far. Thank you.
Marvelous presentation.... Great aircraft... Thank you for sharing your time and views.... Looking forward to part 2 now... Roger... Pembrokeshire
Your videos have just gotten better and better. I am always happy to see a new one released. Thank you for the work
this twitching on the prop lever reminds me of my old saitek throttle quadrant :D
Haha! Same here, Havoc (though in this case, it was actually my Warthog slider axis causing the issue) XD
Nice flight in what appears to be a fantastic looking aircraft on the way. The only thing I noticed was that you didn't turn on your landing lights when you lowered the landing gear for the approach. I do not know the particulars about the turbine Duke but after 1000' AGL you usually should turn off the fuel pumps.
beautiful plane. Thank you so much for your great video!
Excellent presentation as usual always look forward to your reviews .
Thabks for sharing this great experience! Witch do you prefer turbine duke or piston duke
Thanks for the pre-release review.
Thanks for another professional and insightful video. Much appreciated! 👍
My pleasure, Andy! Many thanks and all the best to you : )
Welcome back to your channel! :) Good to see you again.
Haha! Thank you, sir. Much appreciated ; )
helpful thank you! Got to say the cautions for the closed oil doors were distracting (to me) - I interpret yellow as something worth checking but it seems they stay on. Blue might have been "better" 🙂
Great video. 👍 Would love to hear the engine shutdown sounds too. Just to round it off.
Another excellent review! I know that you didn't need the reversers for that landing but it would've been interesting to see them at work anyway. I typically like to see any aircraft that have reverse thrust/props incorporated into the design to be demonstrated, but that's just me.
I did notice that the "Left & Right Oil Doors Closed" annunciator lights were illuminated throughout the entire flight. Is that the typical state these 2 doors should be in? I'm asking because the "yellow" lit labels are usually indicating that the pilot should consider the function at some point and either activate or deactivate the option.
However, I have absolutely no idea if this is always the case. I know the BS Piston and Turbine Duke have been released recently and I believe you've done the review on the Piston version in Part 2, which I do plan to watch.
I did consider buying the "Bundled" Piston & Turbine Duke versions, which would save about $20 USD. But I decided to go with the Turbine version only because I simply don't have very many multi-engine turboprop aircraft in my personal collection.
I'm burning daylight and I need to get on with that purchase so, thanks again for a great review!
Rich
Quite an unusual subject for an add-on, even the piston Dukes are rare (and getting rarer with the cost of overhauling the engines exceeding the value of the airframe!). The turbine even rarer than that, but nothing wrong there, I'd rather see this kind of GA aircraft in MSFS that you wouldn't get to fly in real life, rather than the common singles that you can rent at your local airfield easily.
Thank you. I was waiting for your review. I especially enjoy how you always to complete start ups. Thank you especially for the IFR portion.
Nobody cares what you think
Great video. Any tips on using the head tracking and being able to select things easily. Do you constantly activate and deactivate head tracking or is it just practice?
Great video for a great add-on 🎉🎉
Looks and sounds fantastic overall, but the looping engine drone in the cockpit at 6:50 with the bass frequencies fading in and out in a short regular interval got on my nerves fast! 😄 I'd hate to hear that come to the TBM 850 as well.😟
This seems like a fine product and I trust Your reviews from a Real Pilot and will wait holding my breath for SU 15 and see what happens about possible purchase of The Duke once some issues have been taking care of from msn and Black Sqaure.
Thanks Boris!
I need help... I can't get mine started.
While going through start up procedures.. while trying to start Right engine...
Hit start switch toggle.... bus volts to 15v... Gas Gen to 15%...
When I push Conditioner lever up to full... The ITT doesn't move. Therefore engine will not start !!! ! The ITT on videos people have made clearly starts up.
I have tried to start going through exact procedures numerous times to no avail.
WHAT am I doing wrong? Help me understand...
Thank you... David
"*Sometimes* a little light on the controls" has generally in my experience of constantly fiddling with aircraft been down to MSFS "stability" settings - one set of which are only stability if you consider that to be "pointing into relative wind" which in the ever prevalent MSFS turbulence is anything but stability, and the other set are basically a giant gyroscope & make it feel like there's a big hand holding the aircraft ( I kinda like to think of a giant toddler making brbrbrbrbrr sounds ). Some a/c respond well to just zeroing them - the BS king air took really little work and only a small chat with a B200 pilot - and some need everything else adjusted, unfortunately, and I'm fed up with doing it :p that has put this on a wait & see I think, given your usual gift of understatement. I'm really waiting to see if the turbine & avionics from this make it into the King Air.
Again I'm always stunned by your graphics. Aka colors and high def. I also have the 13900k with a 4090 and mine don't look like yours. Looks almost as if you don't have HDR on.
Are you using VR? Or what type of head tracking? Your camera moves so smoothly around the cockpit...
Hi Thomas,
I use head-tracking (TrackIR 5 to be precise).
I hope that helps a little? All the best!
I got the bundle yesterday.
If I would have known how inferior the the flight model is to the Cessna 414, I would have definitely not have purchased it.
To have one of the coolest aircraft in existence, made to such a high standard, makes me a happy camper.
Also, nearly 50k - well done sir!
Just the tablet on this thing make the PMDG tablet offering look ridiculous by comparison.
Fantastic review as always! I know the aircraft are different fundamentally, and it might not be fair, but thoughts on the comparison between the quality of these new Black Square addons vs the A2A Comanche? Systems depth, flight model, persistence, etc?
I think BS is getting there, and not far behind A2A. I will say both are the closest to GA study level we have so far in MSFS 2020.
My favorite GA Twin in FSX was my King Air. I don't recall at the moment who the publisher was but it's still on a disk somewhere . The system depth of that dude was amazing. Hot starts, circuit failures, etc. I have to build a system but I want this.
Possibly the Flight1 King Air 200? That one had a G1000. Otherwise the old Aeroworx analog king air was incredible as well.
@@RyanbATC I'd have to look but I have a large catalog of Flight1. I remember it had a digital (PFD, etc.) cockpit or analog. I always used the analog.
Added in Edit: Flight1, ATA, VRS, were the lion's share with a couple of Iris and a smattering of Carenado (which with ATA's realism add on were actually pretty good) and a couple of boutiques like Dino Catteneo, a French dude's C-150 Aerobat, etc. With the ORBX, Real Earth, power line add ons and a couple of homebuilt sceneries it was really a very nice sim. MSFS looks amazing though. I'm reticent due to some of the limitations. For instance, if I want to fly my VRS Superbug, I'll need to add Prepar3D or reinstall FSX. I just wish there was an effective way to bring my hundreds of dollars of FSX stuff into MSFS, including TacPac.
Curious if anyone has thought son which variant is more comfortable to use in VR? I feel like it would be the turbine due to the easier to read gauges?
Is there an option to turn on gauge reflections .. or does the real Duke have anti reflection glass over its gauges?
We all love doing these various start up checks, but I often wonder CAN any of these planes have failures BETWEEN flights? I know things can fail DURING flight but can you park a plane with everything working one night and then the next time you load it and go through the startup have something broken?
Hi i have seem to messed up the prop Govenor Test, When i lower my RPM, the TRQ Needles raise, Do you know what the setting is on the Tablet for the plane not to remember aircraft state so i can just restart and go again, I have watched your video and trying to copy you but clearly i have messed something up
Has this aircraft been good compatibility wise? It’s not fighting with other mod aircraft or being affected by other mod aircraft. I finally fixed the Carenado sound overlap issue I’ve been having.
One thing that bugs me a lot is the Ground Handling in the FS2020. It really need a special care... looks like the plane is floating...
So the real question here is, with the multitude of GA aircraft in the sim (including the brilliant Comanche) is this worth picking up, in your opinion?
hopefully it's something about the video, but the drone of the turbine engine in this plane feels like an icepick in my brain. The turbine in the FSR500 is much more pleasant in comparison. Maybe its the two engines interacting which makes it sound painful to me.
When’s part 2 coming out ?
How do you manage to move inside the cabin like that ? Are you using VR ??
TrackIR, you can also use a Tobii eye and head tracker :)
Hi Jorge,
I’m using a head-tracking device called "TrackIR" for the camera movements. It's great, although a little pricey. There are cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, should you wish to give it a go for yourself : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
I want to get the aircraft but it keeps saying "coming soon" on their website, even though it's been out for like 6 months or so and many people have it already. I bought the tbm 850, and i really love it. I normally do the commercial and private jets, but their products are really nice.
It's not out yet so obviously hasn't been out for 6 months. Maybe you're getting confused with another add-on? The release is imminent though. Hope that helps.
@@justflight Well i'm seeing reviews on it from 6 months ago so forgive me for seeing others flying it and doing reviews and my assumptions. It's obvious that I must made a mistake in my observations based on all the sites and reviews i've been reading. It's obvious...not that serious, it's only a digital item.
@@AyAyronH It's not a problem, just trying to help and give you some correct info. Nobody has yet reviewed the final aircraft. All coverage so far have been previews and during most of the coverage the narrator does and the title will usually say Preview too. Preview code was only issued two weeks ago so nobody was covering it 6 months ago. Our tutorial videos were published around one month ago. That was the first live sighting of the Duke followed by this batch of preview coverage. Hope that helps. All the best.
@@justflight It's all good. The sites were announcing the aircraft from that long ago and i seen reviews. So the way my feed presents itself to me, makes it appear that it's been out for a while. I thought they just temporarily put a pause on it for whatever reason. That was all. So i just came to this video to inquire and see if i was simply missing something.
It’s not out yet. The only people reviewing it over the last few weeks have been TH-camrs and Influencers that JustFlight gave Early Access to. There is not one review online from 6 months ago. So I’m confused about you being confused.
Instant package purchase. - But unfortunately it is U15 depended. Hope U15 will be final for msfs 2020, so publishers can have more predictable platform to work with.
It's not SU15 dependent. Works fine in SU14 too.
@@justflight Right. You have the option during install to select 'SU15' or 'Not SU15.'
I installed it for SU14. When I get SU15 I'll reinstall the planes per instructions.
Great video once again!. Shame the developer hasn't done an xbox version!.
The developer doesn't need to do an Xbox version. It's a case of submitting to MS for marketplace inclusion for PC and Xbox. Will happen at some point just not immediately and no major rush given the turbulence with Su15 and Xbox performance.
@@justflight that's good news, will be an instant buy from me!. 👍
Please stop teasing us... as we have to wait for SU15 to go out (delayed again) before we will have some news on a release date from BlackSquare... :p
Not the case any longer. We'll be releasing the Duke pretty soon. Watch this space...
I want it
I have their King Air, is it that much better?
Knocks it up a few more gears, let's put it that way.
Black Square fresh 3d for certain. Wish I knew what else. KNS unit useable with GTN Xi out would be a plus as the King Air I can only use one or the other.. If anyone knows
@@gregj3139 Can you try and clarify what you're asking about there and I'll try and help you. Just need it a little clearer if possible?
@@justflight Sure, compared to King Air, the Duke has;
(+) New 3d
(?) Bendix KNS-80 RNAV system ALONGSIDE TDS GTN Xi
(+) Turbine or Piston
(?) Other new features?
I am an AVID Black Square King Air fan. Almost obsessive. I am excited for this with one concern. The checklist. I do wish the checklist was in a better format than MSFS generic. Just like I have never been able to find an accurate King checklist that covers runup and all emergency.. this is a solid wish.
@justflight You have a fan for life. Please keep it up and give us detailed checklist we can print in a great format.
My plane just dies after 10s, all light go off and engines turn off
Still no business jets
Turbine Duke uses flat-rated PT6A engines.
And if even an addon that claims to be such high fidelity cannot get the ITT behavior right as altitude increases, then there can be no hope for MSFS.
Alternatively, Black Square didn't bother implementing a proper turbine simulation despite all the promotional videos.
Note for the video creator: Climbing to higher altitudes in a turboprop with flat-rated engines would allow the viewer to better determine the behaviour of the engines.
My go to reviewer for addons, I actually think this has a ugly front end so I”ll be passing of this one, but I am looking forward to the rollover of EFB etc to the TBM850. 👍
Are any plans announced to bring the EFB to the 850?
Going to pass! I place a lot of importance on flight model. Already own the TBM850 and that is enough systems management for me.
LOL, dude goes through meticulous pre-flight checklists, then doesn't even monitor the gauges at engine start, instead opting to go outside and watch the propeller spin up. Oh, Flight Simulator noobs, someone must love you.
grumpy comment for free here i see
@@kemc77 Oh yah? Well, what if the engine hot-started while our trusty pilot in the video was watching the propeller spin around??? Or what about low oil pressure? It's about one million dollars to replace a PT-6 these days, and if you Flight Simulator types have that kind of cash you all should be out flying REAL airplanes. I'm livid right now and can't even keep typing.
it's an addon review, not real life. only free negative comment from your side, nothing else
@@kemc77 Alright, cowboy, I'll play your little game. I challenge you to go out and find ANY pilot who endorses starting up a turbine engine from the outside of the aircraft so they can watch the propeller spin up. This is sheer madness and yet you trivialize the possible consequences of an engine fire as a result of unmonitored gauge reading during that critical phase. What's wrong with you, Man? Snap out of this insouciant state of apathy you are displaying. Unless an engine fire is exactly what you want to happen??? Is that in fact what you want???
Ground staff sent him some video, obviously.