That's like the gag for this episode. Big breaks before uttering the word "Invincible" happen like 5 or 6 times, only for the last line of the episode to be the actual cutaway to the title card
I'm thinking its cause in this moment the "Invincible" isn't referencing Mark's spirit or personality as a person, rather its his strength. Its not "Invincible" the name or spirit her, its "invincible" the strength.
@TheShyOnion they never said the ONLY mark but that MOST of them were evil not all. In the show. I forgot what they said in the comics but I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't be the same
Mark: How could you do this ?! Nolan: That was your fault. Your stubbornness against the inevitable killed those people. Evil Mark: We didn't destroy your cities. You destroyed them by fighting back. The Mark of this univers truely inherited his father's manipulations skills...
I wouldn't say it's manipulation, more like actually believing it. From their perspective, especially Omni-Man's the take over of Earth is inevitable. How it happens depends on humans which for them are more like animals, that don't know better and are resisting "without a reason". For them killing people who resist is like for us taking a pet to vet. It may be stressful, hurt a little and the pet may resist but it has to be done. We also don't care about lives of fleas if our dog has them.
Most planets will probably be enslaved, but Viltrumites seem to more lenient towards genetically similar species' , so maybe use them as broodmares and treat them fairly "well"
@@belgiantheorizer2145 I heard viltrumites would extract all the natural resources on Earth but I guess for some time people would live better if they didn't resist
What would be scarier is if this version of Mark actually has "valid" reasons for conquering Earth. Perhaps he saw a much more ruthless example of what the Viltrim Empire does to a resisting planet. In that case, he might see him and his father as the only "good" option left because they might be the "nicest" and "softest" Viltrimite conquerors that Earth can ask for. That would put a darker spin on his quote "The more you resist the worse this gets".
I just thought it be something like Debbie was a crap parent in this timeline so mark clung to his dad more resulting in him being more accepting of the viltrum way as long as he could be with his dad
@@justindixon1586 mutiverse-wise we cannot only blame the parents for his decision, the age he got his powers, friends, where he grew and so much more plays a role on the perception of the planet and humanity.
@@yoshineitor true I’m just thinking how they imply Debbie is the reason and a different mark could have an entirely different life that warps his perspective. Debbie or any factor really would be like a Domino resulting in him interacting with different people, events, and choices that shape his outcome.
@@justindixon1586 I think one of the more important changes is the fact that Robot is still stuck in his capsule, which could mean that he never went to the Mauler Twins and they, in turn, never revived Immortal. Thus, no bloodshot Omni-man. And Omni-man probably had a better grasp on the situation.
Yeah but Debbie also exists in this universe. Hell there’s a Debbie in every universe but they still turn evil. It’s not about Debbie. Our Debbie is just an anomaly
I think a factor that might've been at play is that in our universe, Mark got his powers abnormally late. He was just a regular kid for most of his life
In the comics it is mentioned that in the realities where Invinvible was evil it was usually because of how omni man raised him differently/sometimes even brought him to viltrum the moment he was born and was raised there
I think it's more of Nolan taking more control when raising Mark and not being so much of a superhero, and who knows what Debbie is like in these alternate worlds, maybe she died to a freak accident or was just slightly enough of a different person@@60bangz
@@Muddybat I don’t remember where, but I heard someone say that he was considering accepting it until Nolan mentioned how he viewed Debbie as nothing more than a “pet.”
What makes this version of Mark more terrifying than his apparent sociopathy, is the fact that it probably isn’t sociopathy at all. It feels more like this Mark is broken, that he was still capable of empathy, but now he’s all deflective like his father was with him during their big fight because he doesn’t want more people to get hurt and is convinced that people will get hurt if they don’t accept the Viltrum Empire as he did. He’s in the darkness of it all and probably too far gone now. His father had turned his empathy against him. That reminds me: What happened to Debbie?
@@safesex281 My guess is Mark chose to join his father in conquering the Earth because Nolan killed Debbie in front of him and convinced his son that she died because he resisted, essentially blaming him for it and acting as if Debbie’s death was ‘necessary’. Mark started following that same dark thinking, his empathy turned against him, until a point of no return.
I bet this version of mark either got his powers earlier in life or his father influenced him more. His softness and heroism was more so thanks to his mother
@@TheGreatThicc you think calling his mom a “pet” was the issue and not proposed planetary enslavement?? Clearly evil mark was influenced more by his fathers culture than earths
Spoilers ahead: This "Evil Mark" problem is part of why Robot turned on him in the comics and left him stranded in an alternate dimension The cannibal Mark kept reminding him how terrible they all are and how most were like that since they were little, trained to take over my nolan and the rest had their eyes opened to how different they were from normal humanity
It really shows how important Debbie was as a mother. Without her influence, Marks ego and manipulation from Omni-Man would have taken over. This Mark isn't even evil by nature, he just thinks "If Dad says it's good then it must be.".
This is also if mark stopped holding back, you can see he’s very much invincible and you know, tanking hits instead of actually being phased and finding a good balance of rendering his opponents useless and still being comfortable outright killing, this is lowkey the peak of mark in his prime
What is interesting about Eve vs Evil Invincible scene, is that in the comics, when she was killed by conquest, her mental block was disabled, reviving herself, and with that, she emitted a powerful beam on conquest, helping Mark on killing him. Imagine if, instead of paralyzing her, he actually killed her? Invincible would be in a much worse situation conquest was, probably.
Similar thought struck me, that if the Eve of this universe ever dies, she might get a second chance at revolution. As long as she can revive herself, she's kinda their last hope.
I believe it was said somewhere that the reason most marks are ''evil'' is because Debbie is relatively unlikely to see mark grow up due to an event that kills her early on in most timelines, they lack the positive influence of genuine human connection and a mother figure so only have Nolan to shape their ideology into the will of the Viltrum empire and not morality that ''our'' mark strictly adhears to.
I would be impressed if they actually did deliver the no cancer thing, considering how they massacrated so much of their own population and made a society based on strenght alone, how many doctors they even have? And whatever ammount it would certanly not be enough to help every planet they conquer. If they dont even have soldiers to do all the conquering.
Honestly I REALLY WANT to see More of this Alternate Timeline! Either In some kind of OVA episode or Hopefully Somebody Else has made a Long Fanfic about how this timeline went.
For real, I want to see how this plays out in the long run. If the Viltrumite empire really does ultimately help Earth 🌎 after all the initial suffering and deaths.
@@MadMax-ii8gqthe viltrum empire doesn’t actually care to help other planets. It’s a lie they tell them. What they want is to take the natural resources of the planets they conquer and leave the people to die once they have taken everything.
The scariest thing out of all of this is just the lack of empathy from mark through out this whole thing. He’s viewing the world through Omni mans fucked up logic of oh being dominated will be good for them and anyone fighting back is just killing themselves not me doing the killing.
What would be scarier is if this version of Mark actually has "valid" reasons for conquering Earth. Perhaps he saw a much more ruthless example of what the Viltrim Empire does to a resisting planet. In that case, he might see him and his father as the only "good" option left because they might be the "nicest" and "softest" Viltrimite conquerors that Earth can ask for. That would put a darker spin on his quote "The more you resist the worse this gets".
@@michealhaines he has something and someone to defend. And losing it makes him only stronger. He loses dad, and becomes stronger. He sees his dad redeem, and becomes stronger. He loses Cecil, and becomes stronger. He loses and gains, and yet every time he grows stronger.
I wouldn't call it rare. Only bad timelines are shown because Mr Dimension Hopper needed to escape from them, all the good timelines never gave him a reason to leave. All-in-all, I'd assume there is an equal amount if not more good timelines than bad ones.
@scrittle yeah.. Nah, it's explicitly mentioned and confirmed that most marks, sided with viltrum, and are generally evil. Most of the few good ones are likely dead. Whether they get killed by nolan or other factors like battle beast or the mualer twins, etc. Just think about how many near death situations main timeline mark was in
@michealhaines what are you talking about? Viltrum mark killed spawn (albeit a weaker version). Mohawk, sinister, and the black masked mark are also as strong if not argubaly stronger than the main mark. Also, the mark from the start of season 2 fought battle beast, this is confirmed by him saying "I've been hit harder, like wayy harder". These marks also hold back a lot less than the main mark, so they are likely reaching their "potential" more.
Honestly in a timeline where Mark doesn't stand against Omniman, defying them is really the dumbest thing Earth could do. So ok you killed Omniman but you took out an entire continent and a majority of the planets population to do it. Now you have Mark imprisoned, but he's an alien that is basically immortal and gets stronger with age. He has nothing but time to spend and you dont. And all that aside, the Viltrum empire is going to eventually come looking for Nolan and when they find out the planet is still defying them and they have a Viltrum imprisoned its basically going to be a slaughter
If you knew how fckd up we can get you would know that by the time Thragg arrives to earth we will already have over 100 of the bombs they used to kill Omni man. I mean, even nowdays we restrain ourselves from creating more powerful weapons because we already have too much power and we can destroy life on earth.
Or Mark’s powers manifested earlier, so Nolan raised him as a Viltrumite from the start. Or Nolan admitted the truth of their culture in a more controlled way, rather than after the shock murder of one of their family friends. Or maybe a combination of all these things.
They probably didn’t kill Debbie. She’s probably in a mansion somewhere as basically a prisoner, but otherwise being treated well. Mark wouldnt want his own mother to die, just like he didn’t want Eve to die. Debbie is powerless anyway, so she’s kinda like Skyler in Breaking Bad… she just goes along with it, powerless to do anything and just lives oppressed but with more privileges than most
I find it interesting that most Mark's in other universes said yes to Nolan's offer. It makes our Mark feel more fragile somehow. Like whatever is in charge of the multiverse as a whole has been trying over and over to create a universe where Mark fights back, and finally, it happened.
@@Gerald22222 human nature is to conquor, not to be conquer, not to be conquered, so of course people first reaction would be to fight back as much as they can
@@alexandrekewen182 I understand but why would they fight these Two super powers beings. Sure they got other superheroes and villains but Mark and Nolan are powerful together. I think they saw they handled so many hits from our weapons and stuff.
apparently in the comics it’s mentioned that “Prime” Mark, aka the good Mark, is the ONLY version of him that didn’t go along with Nolan’s plan. So that makes the good Mark the exception, not this Evil Mark.
4:20 I love how that one dude in the hoodie looked back at them like "Oh cool is that Omni Man?" with no fear on his face as if they are not genocidal dictators
Only a few million rebelled and they likely destroyed each countries military. But most of humanity should be fine, nolan is conquering and crushing resistance mot the human race in general. For some this was the worse day of their life, for others it was tuesday. Legit just think about north korea, oh current ruler died? Long live nolan i guess and goes about day, heck some peoples lives most likely improved with nolans take over.
Honestly, i can see myself possibly agreeing with him, because he didn't entirely explain what the empire does. We don't know how evil they actually are to the planets they conquer from marks perspective because omni man never explained anything.
benevolent technocrats are a political impossibility and anyone should be able to figure that out with no context, power is always abused and viltrumites are clearly facists.
Idk why, but the scene of Robot telling Nolan that one day he will die is so good. Maybe its because you can tell it got to him because intead of killing him like he was going to, he lets his container leak out so he dies slowly from the oxygen. Robots whole Mr House vibe in the first few episodes and how he and his clone handle the whole cloning situtation is just so cool and I know Robot turns out to be a POS in the comics but hes still one of my favorites. His drones voice, the drones fighting techniques, the way the drone looks. So dope
Here’s my theory for why this Invincible joined his dad, and it’s because of Robot. Robot in this universe didn’t get a new body, which means he didn’t give the Maulers the schematics for the control collar, which means that they never revived Immortal in time to fight Omni-man. Because Mark didn’t witness Omni-man kill Immortal, and they likely defeated the Kaiju together, Mark would be more willing to listen to Omni-man and eventually come around. Apparently our Invincible is the only good one in the multiverse, but with that one little change in history, this version came the closest to main Invincible
He would never do what he does in the prime universe if he lived after all this. Also, Amanda's probably dead at this point since she is debatably the second strongest out of the new Guardians, Immortal being above her.
2:30 Let's see, the weapon that was powerful enough to kill a mauler twin, null-energy, a scope built by robot so he doesn't need to put it at his eye to see through it, and some random sh*t for the null-energy. Yep, they definitely put some effort in this gun's design for a small clip. This is what animation is about.
Love how they do everything so casually. Why is the evil MC universes the most entertaining aspect of the show lol? They just kinda fly around and do wacky father-son things like crush a resistance, impose tyrannical dictatorship, then go to lunch. I kinda want them to get a spin-off, like "The wholesome adventures of Mark and Nolan."
These two talking about mass murder as if it is a 9 to 5 job fixing cables, I literally feel zero enmity from them they just do this shit cause they can and no one can really slow them down. It's amazing.
I feel like if this happened in real life, there wouldn't be nearly as much resistance. Many empires in history changed rulership with little to no resistance from the common people because most people don't care who's in charge so long as their policies don't affect the individual's life too much. It is a bit different now because modern Americans are too opinionated, but aside from people on twitter having something new to complain about, there probably won't be many people actively doing something about it.
What’s wrong about earth not being messed with and having cure for all these diseases? Then we would be able to have hybrid babies that are strong like invincible.
@@kurtisl051i haven’t read all the issues, but i remember Anissa telling Mark that they would consume earth resources as fast as humans currently were, with the benefit of humans thriving during that time
Imperialism isn't just to own more space or dominate another population, the main driving force is to gain resources from more virgin lands. Plus, the Viltrumites especially are incredibly supremacist and violent people, though I don't know anything that happens in the comics, so there is probably more details about Viltrumite rule I don't know. I think it would sort of be like when Poland was occupied by Nazi Germany.
@@robertwaksberg And this is why the plans of the Viltrum Empire make no sense. You said it too, in reality, wars always happen because they have supposed benefits, however, the viltrumites don't actually need any of that. They are almost indestructible, live for a very long time, can travel faster than lightspeed, etc. What logical reason would a civilisation like this have, to conquer other, far inferior races? They don't actually gain anything from it :/
I think in this universe Debbie died throughout some time during Invincibles childhood therfore he was raised by Nolan and his beliefs, therfore he was convinced.
Actually, Angstrom says that *most* other Marks accepted his offer (Which doesn't make sense because the concept of infinity means there is no "most" anything, but who cares)
@@robertwaksbergit’s possible the multiverse could be a finite structure made of infinite universal filaments, thus despite there being an infinite number of universes there is a finite probability of Mark accepting or rejecting the offer.
@@robertwaksbergThat's not true. There can be well defined notion of "most" in the context of infinities in mathematics. For instance, consider an uncountably infinite number of universes, where only a countably infinite, or maybe even finite amount of Marks said no to Omni Man's offer. In mathematics, and for all intents and purposes we'd say that "almost all" Marks said yes.
It’s also worth noting that Angstrom Levy wasn’t made out of literally every Angstrom Levy, there could only have been so many strapped to The Mauler Twin’s device.
@@salame2693 He Never Once Thought About Agreeing Whilst Omni Man Explained? He Was Just Trying To Continue Doing Good. Omni Man Stating Debbie To Be His Pet Just Made Him Hate Omni Man More
For those of you already know and don’t know, This is the Parallel/Alternate Universe of Mark Grayson and Nolan Grayson not this universe, The other alternate universe
0:56 the single most uncanny part of this video is Mark not getting cut off by the title card
It was so weird. I want to see an edit where the title card is edited in
That's the indication that were on a different universe.
That's like the gag for this episode. Big breaks before uttering the word "Invincible" happen like 5 or 6 times, only for the last line of the episode to be the actual cutaway to the title card
@@jay9344 They're breaking away from the title card thing entirely, each episode did it differently, with the 3rd episode doing it best
I'm thinking its cause in this moment the "Invincible" isn't referencing Mark's spirit or personality as a person, rather its his strength.
Its not "Invincible" the name or spirit her, its "invincible" the strength.
Mark trying to explain while everyone is suffering is crazy
Dang right
@TheShyOnion they never said the ONLY mark but that MOST of them were evil not all. In the show. I forgot what they said in the comics but I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't be the same
@@TheShyOnion doing what with your finger?
@@TheShyOnion I would never do that to my finger WHAT
@@TheShyOnionwhat are you doing with your finger?
If you put aside all the brutality and cruelty, it's kinda nice seeing Nolan and Mark get along as father and son 😂
💀
Average viltrumite father son bonding experience, this is probably like going fishing for them
exactly. even tho its twisted, i really did enjoy them bonding here
@@persontaco1102💀
Yeah ditto
Mark: How could you do this ?!
Nolan: That was your fault. Your stubbornness against the inevitable killed those people.
Evil Mark: We didn't destroy your cities. You destroyed them by fighting back.
The Mark of this univers truely inherited his father's manipulations skills...
gaslighting at its finest 😂
I wouldn't say it's manipulation, more like actually believing it. From their perspective, especially Omni-Man's the take over of Earth is inevitable. How it happens depends on humans which for them are more like animals, that don't know better and are resisting "without a reason".
For them killing people who resist is like for us taking a pet to vet. It may be stressful, hurt a little and the pet may resist but it has to be done. We also don't care about lives of fleas if our dog has them.
@@KingOfMMA.if you can’t figure it out or need someone to explain it you’re never going to get it
@@stayonismThey are not wrong. This is how viltrumites think, and their concept of moral is different from humans.
@@edw7790 you should read the comics before you boldly statement how different their morals are
"No one goes hungry, no one dies from cancer"
I see this as an absolute win
*dies from death*
@@Fl8yd_Johnson Only if you resist 😌
It would be interesting to see how life is under Viltrumite rule when you obey, i guess.
Most planets will probably be enslaved, but Viltrumites seem to more lenient towards genetically similar species' , so maybe use them as broodmares and treat them fairly "well"
@@belgiantheorizer2145 I heard viltrumites would extract all the natural resources on Earth but I guess for some time people would live better if they didn't resist
4:17 ‘hiiiii’☺️
Gets me every time
“MURDERERS!”
*”ah. A volunteer!”*
@@veeyoooh that one make me die of laugh lol
Sounds like the roblox sound effect lol
@@veeyooohDONT TOUCH ME
@@Nobody.55 hey buddy :)
You sentenced yourself to death when you joined club resistance.
What would be scarier is if this version of Mark actually has "valid" reasons for conquering Earth. Perhaps he saw a much more ruthless example of what the Viltrim Empire does to a resisting planet. In that case, he might see him and his father as the only "good" option left because they might be the "nicest" and "softest" Viltrimite conquerors that Earth can ask for. That would put a darker spin on his quote "The more you resist the worse this gets".
I just thought it be something like Debbie was a crap parent in this timeline so mark clung to his dad more resulting in him being more accepting of the viltrum way as long as he could be with his dad
@@justindixon1586 mutiverse-wise we cannot only blame the parents for his decision, the age he got his powers, friends, where he grew and so much more plays a role on the perception of the planet and humanity.
@@yoshineitor true I’m just thinking how they imply Debbie is the reason and a different mark could have an entirely different life that warps his perspective. Debbie or any factor really would be like a Domino resulting in him interacting with different people, events, and choices that shape his outcome.
@@justindixon1586 I think one of the more important changes is the fact that Robot is still stuck in his capsule, which could mean that he never went to the Mauler Twins and they, in turn, never revived Immortal. Thus, no bloodshot Omni-man. And Omni-man probably had a better grasp on the situation.
@@ryan1696 Dude, that’s incredible. I think that’s it, great catch!
Debbie was mostly the key element in raising Mark and showing OmniMan the beauty of Humanity. She was Nolan’s Lois Lane to his Evil Superman.
Yeah but Debbie also exists in this universe. Hell there’s a Debbie in every universe but they still turn evil. It’s not about Debbie. Our Debbie is just an anomaly
I think a factor that might've been at play is that in our universe, Mark got his powers abnormally late. He was just a regular kid for most of his life
In the comics it is mentioned that in the realities where Invinvible was evil it was usually because of how omni man raised him differently/sometimes even brought him to viltrum the moment he was born and was raised there
@Mr.Traumatized "let me break it down for you mark, your mother and I have something of a *Master/Slave Dynamic* "
I think it's more of Nolan taking more control when raising Mark and not being so much of a superhero, and who knows what Debbie is like in these alternate worlds, maybe she died to a freak accident or was just slightly enough of a different person@@60bangz
Omni man telling robot he should've died at birth was just savage 😭
Oh and also the genocide
😂
i wouldnt be surprised if this omni man is also homophobic and racist but its not shown because its made by amazon
3:07
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If it weren't for the cartoonish vibe and the cheesy one liners from mark and nolan that line would've been a lot darker 💀💀(out of context)
"Tried to take over YOUR planet" that subtle change to 'your planet' was the most chilling thing for me. Mark no longer sees himself as part of Earth
It doesn't make much sense to say take over our planet, since "our" already implied some sort of partial ownership
Because he accepted the Viltrumite way so he sees himself as a Viltrumite
“Since your all part of the resistance….we need to kill you” had me SCREAMING!🤣🤣🤣😭💀
😂and he says it so causally too
"Hiii!" 4:16
Man said it so impersonally too like, it’s not personal, it’s just the way it has to be 😂 I would’ve understood too honestly
@@jayandrews2803It's because he inherited his dad's reasoning that human lives are meaningless compared to theirs.
I think it helps that he also goes "Hi!"
My head cannon for this universe is Nolah called Debbie "a lovely woman who he will forever cherish" instead of a "pet" and mark was sold
honestly convinced that mark would've said yes if it weren't for the murder on the immortal
@@Muddybatdelusional
he says yes in most universes, It's just the facts lil bro
@@Muddybat I don’t remember where, but I heard someone say that he was considering accepting it until Nolan mentioned how he viewed Debbie as nothing more than a “pet.”
@@AztecSamurai01 yes I totally agree, mark was hearing him out until that.
What makes this version of Mark more terrifying than his apparent sociopathy, is the fact that it probably isn’t sociopathy at all. It feels more like this Mark is broken, that he was still capable of empathy, but now he’s all deflective like his father was with him during their big fight because he doesn’t want more people to get hurt and is convinced that people will get hurt if they don’t accept the Viltrum Empire as he did. He’s in the darkness of it all and probably too far gone now. His father had turned his empathy against him.
That reminds me: What happened to Debbie?
average hentai lore:
@@chibitoodles5351 no
@@chibitoodles5351lol good one😂 tag: mindbreak
In her kennel.
@@safesex281 My guess is Mark chose to join his father in conquering the Earth because Nolan killed Debbie in front of him and convinced his son that she died because he resisted, essentially blaming him for it and acting as if Debbie’s death was ‘necessary’. Mark started following that same dark thinking, his empathy turned against him, until a point of no return.
I bet this version of mark either got his powers earlier in life or his father influenced him more. His softness and heroism was more so thanks to his mother
I'm wagering it's just Nolan didn't refer to Debbie as "a pet". It seemed like Mark was somewhat open to the idea before that.
@@TheGreatThicc you think calling his mom a “pet” was the issue and not proposed planetary enslavement?? Clearly evil mark was influenced more by his fathers culture than earths
@@TheGreatThiccbruh what?
in the comics most of the evil marks either got their powers younger or were raised as a viltrumite and not human.
Spoilers ahead:
This "Evil Mark" problem is part of why Robot turned on him in the comics and left him stranded in an alternate dimension
The cannibal Mark kept reminding him how terrible they all are and how most were like that since they were little, trained to take over my nolan and the rest had their eyes opened to how different they were from normal humanity
It really shows how important Debbie was as a mother. Without her influence, Marks ego and manipulation from Omni-Man would have taken over. This Mark isn't even evil by nature, he just thinks "If Dad says it's good then it must be.".
“She’s not dead just paralyzed so I can still visit” ☠️☠️☠️☠️
Bro planned Stockholm syndrome for her
He don't even care.
☠️☠️☠️
In this universe omniman had speaking skills
He passed the speech check.
he used guides to choose the good dialogue
Based on what I hear, it is the opposite. Mark joins his dad in most universes. Which means he rolled a natural 1 on his speech check with Prime Mark.
He got a critical roll on a D20.
This Omniman rolled a nat 20. The Omniman who beat Mark to a pulp rolled a nat 1
This is also if mark stopped holding back, you can see he’s very much invincible and you know, tanking hits instead of actually being phased and finding a good balance of rendering his opponents useless and still being comfortable outright killing, this is lowkey the peak of mark in his prime
What is interesting about Eve vs Evil Invincible scene, is that in the comics, when she was killed by conquest, her mental block was disabled, reviving herself, and with that, she emitted a powerful beam on conquest, helping Mark on killing him.
Imagine if, instead of paralyzing her, he actually killed her? Invincible would be in a much worse situation conquest was, probably.
Similar thought struck me, that if the Eve of this universe ever dies, she might get a second chance at revolution. As long as she can revive herself, she's kinda their last hope.
That's why he paralyzed her
@@creeperYT9824 doesn't make sense to him know that much about her powers in this alternative universe.
@@creeperYT9824No, his line heavily implies that he'll r@*e her on his visits
I haven't read the comics so I don't know anything but I thought she removed her mental block long ago in the Episode 0 Eve special.
2:37 if you notice, omni-man looks terrified for a sec there.
bro must've had flashbacks of the Man with the Invincible Gun 💀
Man this 100% true
He was like “Bruh i put this dude between 2 rocks like a hundred years ago, and last i checked he was still there. If that’s his gun, I’m cooked”
I believe it was said somewhere that the reason most marks are ''evil'' is because Debbie is relatively unlikely to see mark grow up due to an event that kills her early on in most timelines, they lack the positive influence of genuine human connection and a mother figure so only have Nolan to shape their ideology into the will of the Viltrum empire and not morality that ''our'' mark strictly adhears to.
So, the majority of mark have mommy issues?
@@古明地恋-s9c yep, the majority of if not all real life serial killers have mommy issues too
I actually would like to see how Viltrumite empire actually rules. Did they actually deliver peace, no hunger, and no cancer? What was the cost?
easy to do all 3 once you purge a lot of the useless.
For earth...
Comic spoilers
A lot of breeding camps probably
ridiculous quantities of death, indoctrination, and forced breeding lol
I wont spoil much but this stuff will be answered in the future
I would be impressed if they actually did deliver the no cancer thing, considering how they massacrated so much of their own population and made a society based on strenght alone, how many doctors they even have? And whatever ammount it would certanly not be enough to help every planet they conquer. If they dont even have soldiers to do all the conquering.
Honestly I REALLY WANT to see More of this Alternate Timeline! Either In some kind of OVA episode or Hopefully Somebody Else has made a Long Fanfic about how this timeline went.
OVA you say? I see you too are a man of culture
this timeline is probably fucked
oh boy trust me you are gonna see a lot of alternate universes in S2 part 2
you wont expect what is coming now lmao
@@meudeus8675what makes you say this
“MURDERERS!”
“Ah! A volunteer!”
I swear this is a TFS joke.
Yeah sounds like it, I think cell said that.
@@brangit6477 nah I'm pretty sure its the little robot from the Meta Cooler movie
This universe needs more screen time
It probably will during the invincible war
@@ImWayyy2HighBrooooowhat season is that?
@@lunyolieny4463 i dont wanna spoil its in the comics
For real, I want to see how this plays out in the long run. If the Viltrumite empire really does ultimately help Earth 🌎 after all the initial suffering and deaths.
@@MadMax-ii8gqthe viltrum empire doesn’t actually care to help other planets. It’s a lie they tell them. What they want is to take the natural resources of the planets they conquer and leave the people to die once they have taken everything.
The scariest thing out of all of this is just the lack of empathy from mark through out this whole thing. He’s viewing the world through Omni mans fucked up logic of oh being dominated will be good for them and anyone fighting back is just killing themselves not me doing the killing.
What would be scarier is if this version of Mark actually has "valid" reasons for conquering Earth. Perhaps he saw a much more ruthless example of what the Viltrim Empire does to a resisting planet. In that case, he might see him and his father as the only "good" option left because they might be the "nicest" and "softest" Viltrimite conquerors that Earth can ask for. That would put a darker spin on his quote "The more you resist the worse this gets".
3:16 You can almost hear the lightning strikes from that line.
They should continue this timeline too it's so cool to see this side of event's
Evil mark is the default. "Main timeline" Good mark is the rare exception.
But "good mark" is also the strongest one because of the path it put him on
@@michealhaines he has something and someone to defend. And losing it makes him only stronger. He loses dad, and becomes stronger. He sees his dad redeem, and becomes stronger. He loses Cecil, and becomes stronger. He loses and gains, and yet every time he grows stronger.
I wouldn't call it rare. Only bad timelines are shown because Mr Dimension Hopper needed to escape from them, all the good timelines never gave him a reason to leave. All-in-all, I'd assume there is an equal amount if not more good timelines than bad ones.
@scrittle yeah.. Nah, it's explicitly mentioned and confirmed that most marks, sided with viltrum, and are generally evil.
Most of the few good ones are likely dead. Whether they get killed by nolan or other factors like battle beast or the mualer twins, etc. Just think about how many near death situations main timeline mark was in
@michealhaines what are you talking about?
Viltrum mark killed spawn (albeit a weaker version).
Mohawk, sinister, and the black masked mark are also as strong if not argubaly stronger than the main mark.
Also, the mark from the start of season 2 fought battle beast, this is confirmed by him saying "I've been hit harder, like wayy harder". These marks also hold back a lot less than the main mark, so they are likely reaching their "potential" more.
0:57 why you do this to all of us 😭😭😭😭
Because he is Invincible...
Honestly in a timeline where Mark doesn't stand against Omniman, defying them is really the dumbest thing Earth could do. So ok you killed Omniman but you took out an entire continent and a majority of the planets population to do it.
Now you have Mark imprisoned, but he's an alien that is basically immortal and gets stronger with age. He has nothing but time to spend and you dont. And all that aside, the Viltrum empire is going to eventually come looking for Nolan and when they find out the planet is still defying them and they have a Viltrum imprisoned its basically going to be a slaughter
If you knew how fckd up we can get you would know that by the time Thragg arrives to earth we will already have over 100 of the bombs they used to kill Omni man. I mean, even nowdays we restrain ourselves from creating more powerful weapons because we already have too much power and we can destroy life on earth.
They studied viltramit philosophy and actually repelled conquest in that timeline
@@hellblaze10I mean even if they managed to do that I’m pretty sure they ain’t surviving when thragg and the rest of the viltrumites arrive on earth
We're humans. Do you really think we'd let some species invade? We'd nuke the planet back into the stone age before giving it up.
@@sirmackavellidepends entirely if they hire battle beast, at which point they stand a good chance
The reason in this universe was Nolan didn't call Debbie a pet or Debbie had die when Mark was younger.
Or Omniman was more serious in his mission and less distracted by earth stuff
@@Dinosaur315 I agree with you. There are so many things this could have gone in many universes.
Or Mark’s powers manifested earlier, so Nolan raised him as a Viltrumite from the start.
Or Nolan admitted the truth of their culture in a more controlled way, rather than after the shock murder of one of their family friends.
Or maybe a combination of all these things.
They probably didn’t kill Debbie. She’s probably in a mansion somewhere as basically a prisoner, but otherwise being treated well. Mark wouldnt want his own mother to die, just like he didn’t want Eve to die. Debbie is powerless anyway, so she’s kinda like Skyler in Breaking Bad… she just goes along with it, powerless to do anything and just lives oppressed but with more privileges than most
@@justinwyatt8 I can see that, hope they do that when we back come to that universe.
Imagine if the Viltrum Empire did take earth. They could restore the Empire to its former glory with a Viltrum-Human breeding program.
long live viltrum
Make viltrum great again 🎉😢😮
I for one welcome our Viltrumite overlords; now, gimme a muscle mommy to slap me around ♥
That was what they wanted to do, since Human-Viltrumite hybrids are virtually indistinguishable from full-blooded Viltrumites.
@@pauldickinson3961 Oh, so that's why they sent Nolan, because he supposeddly was good at conquering.
I find it interesting that most Mark's in other universes said yes to Nolan's offer. It makes our Mark feel more fragile somehow. Like whatever is in charge of the multiverse as a whole has been trying over and over to create a universe where Mark fights back, and finally, it happened.
Really makes me wonder how THIS Mark was convinced to team with his father
My headcanon is that Debbie was fine with it in this reality
@@barkn7639I don’t see why the rest of humanity are so against it.
@@Gerald22222 human nature is to conquor, not to be conquer, not to be conquered, so of course people first reaction would be to fight back as much as they can
@@alexandrekewen182 I understand but why would they fight these Two super powers beings. Sure they got other superheroes and villains but Mark and Nolan are powerful together.
I think they saw they handled so many hits from our weapons and stuff.
apparently in the comics it’s mentioned that “Prime” Mark, aka the good Mark, is the ONLY version of him that didn’t go along with Nolan’s plan. So that makes the good Mark the exception, not this Evil Mark.
4:20 I love how that one dude in the hoodie looked back at them like "Oh cool is that Omni Man?" with no fear on his face as if they are not genocidal dictators
probably a spy for Omni Man
@@markjacks3828 why would Omni Man need a spy?
@@dungww2006To find these secret bases probably
@@Geo-ku1ql
They were gonna find them anyway
4:16 Omni Man really gives serious Cave Johnson vibes with that line 😂
Alternate Universe where Cave Johnson was the Administrator for the Combine
Thrag arriving on earth to see this: THINK NOLAN THINK! How will we be able to conquer earth if there's no one left to conquer!?
Nah Thragg did the exact same thing to the planets he conquered.
Only a few million rebelled and they likely destroyed each countries military. But most of humanity should be fine, nolan is conquering and crushing resistance mot the human race in general.
For some this was the worse day of their life, for others it was tuesday. Legit just think about north korea, oh current ruler died? Long live nolan i guess and goes about day, heck some peoples lives most likely improved with nolans take over.
Why is no one talking about Mark's visits, that's probably the darkest part of this whole scene besides the mass murder
marks visits?
He said, after paralyzing Atom Eve, that he had people to take care of her, and that he'll visit later.@@Tyyppi_vika
@@AdamSamson1991is that supposed to imply smth? im kinda slow rn
@@Creamybull1707 That the dude is so far gone, he'd visit "an old friend" he just paralyzed with his bare hands....!!!! It's hella creepy!
@@CronoXpono oh ye, tks
The fact that his expression doesn’t change at all even when he emotes with his voice is scary. It’s like he’s an actor.
*“Last chance Eve….You and your stupid resistance made us kill thousands of innocent people”* 😂😂😂
Love how they treat the subjugation of earth and all its inhabitants as a casual day in the office.
Honestly, i can see myself possibly agreeing with him, because he didn't entirely explain what the empire does. We don't know how evil they actually are to the planets they conquer from marks perspective because omni man never explained anything.
They slaughtered hundreds of thousands or millions to conquer planets. I don’t think they’ve ever been good to those planets 😂😂
@@mattiaachille233 but omni man didn’t say that.
@@d-boi9785trust me. the comics show that the Viltrumites are very much evil.
benevolent technocrats are a political impossibility and anyone should be able to figure that out with no context, power is always abused and viltrumites are clearly facists.
@@scrp6638Not really no. It shows they conquer planets and punish revolts. It doesn't show the no cancer no hunger thing
4:06
that verison of atom eve is gonna wind up like her birth mother a shell on life support thats regularly harvested for eggs
Getting up to some rimworld behavior i see
"I'm hurting you for your own good"
~Mark
Idk why, but the scene of Robot telling Nolan that one day he will die is so good. Maybe its because you can tell it got to him because intead of killing him like he was going to, he lets his container leak out so he dies slowly from the oxygen.
Robots whole Mr House vibe in the first few episodes and how he and his clone handle the whole cloning situtation is just so cool and I know Robot turns out to be a POS in the comics but hes still one of my favorites. His drones voice, the drones fighting techniques, the way the drone looks. So dope
I love that between Season 1’s Immortal fights and all of his fights in season 2, using Karate chops to slice people up is pretty much his signature
3:55 - 4:17
Eve was only kept alive so Mark could have her as a pet.
"Good eve, good girl. Don't move"
@@mikumiku3897”now play dead”
Or worse...
Mark: Don't forget I am
Me: Expecting title
Mark: Invincible
Me: oh
Here’s my theory for why this Invincible joined his dad, and it’s because of Robot.
Robot in this universe didn’t get a new body, which means he didn’t give the Maulers the schematics for the control collar, which means that they never revived Immortal in time to fight Omni-man.
Because Mark didn’t witness Omni-man kill Immortal, and they likely defeated the Kaiju together, Mark would be more willing to listen to Omni-man and eventually come around.
Apparently our Invincible is the only good one in the multiverse, but with that one little change in history, this version came the closest to main Invincible
So, what I'm hearing is that Robot/Rudy saved the multiverse, because he wanted to get laid.
@@Thenonymous1 The power of hormones
Your theory is good.but
I watched the show,in a episode where nolan beheads immortal and mark squeezes his head.
@@camaraman645yeah that was this episode, which the part you are talking about takes place in a different universe
"Hey buddy, you sentenced yourself to death..." is crazy
Imagine how much fun Nolan would have had conquering the earth with Mark, father and son committing genocide together.
"Ah! A volunteer." bro just said that so casually 💀
Even when Mark is evil he’s still holding back
3:09 this scene is satisfying when you know what the robot will do later
He would never do what he does in the prime universe if he lived after all this. Also, Amanda's probably dead at this point since she is debatably the second strongest out of the new Guardians, Immortal being above her.
The viltrumites' whole approach to conquering most planets is basically: "You are being rescued. Please do not resist."
2:30 Let's see, the weapon that was powerful enough to kill a mauler twin, null-energy, a scope built by robot so he doesn't need to put it at his eye to see through it, and some random sh*t for the null-energy. Yep, they definitely put some effort in this gun's design for a small clip. This is what animation is about.
Love how they do everything so casually. Why is the evil MC universes the most entertaining aspect of the show lol? They just kinda fly around and do wacky father-son things like crush a resistance, impose tyrannical dictatorship, then go to lunch. I kinda want them to get a spin-off, like "The wholesome adventures of Mark and Nolan."
Literally lol, these alternate dimensions seem more interesting to me than the Main one.
These two talking about mass murder as if it is a 9 to 5 job fixing cables, I literally feel zero enmity from them they just do this shit cause they can and no one can really slow them down. It's amazing.
I mean, all the murder and destruction aside......they do kinda have a good sales pitch
To be fair the murder and destruction is if you say no, its an offer you cant refuse, also no cancer, or hunger sounds like a good argument.
The timeline where Mark brought Omni man pictures of Spider-Man
I want this as a series
"You sentenced yourself to death by joining club resistance"
- Mark Grayson
In this universe, omniman said “think mark think!!!” Which convinced mark
"she's not hurt, just paralized" that's worst
I love how calm and nurturing they feel.
I kinda wanna see how this timeline developed.
I feel like if this happened in real life, there wouldn't be nearly as much resistance. Many empires in history changed rulership with little to no resistance from the common people because most people don't care who's in charge so long as their policies don't affect the individual's life too much. It is a bit different now because modern Americans are too opinionated, but aside from people on twitter having something new to complain about, there probably won't be many people actively doing something about it.
"Ah, a voulenteer" thatll never not make me laugh
4:46 😂 let’s do it mark i am hungry
Sinister Mark: But Dad we're surrounded by food!
What’s wrong about earth not being messed with and having cure for all these diseases? Then we would be able to have hybrid babies that are strong like invincible.
Because the story hasn't told you yet what happens to the planets taken over by the Viltrumites in the long run.
@@kurtisl051i haven’t read all the issues, but i remember Anissa telling Mark that they would consume earth resources as fast as humans currently were, with the benefit of humans thriving during that time
Imperialism isn't just to own more space or dominate another population, the main driving force is to gain resources from more virgin lands. Plus, the Viltrumites especially are incredibly supremacist and violent people, though I don't know anything that happens in the comics, so there is probably more details about Viltrumite rule I don't know.
I think it would sort of be like when Poland was occupied by Nazi Germany.
@@robertwaksberg And this is why the plans of the Viltrum Empire make no sense. You said it too, in reality, wars always happen because they have supposed benefits, however, the viltrumites don't actually need any of that. They are almost indestructible, live for a very long time, can travel faster than lightspeed, etc.
What logical reason would a civilisation like this have, to conquer other, far inferior races? They don't actually gain anything from it :/
I for one welcome our Viltrumite rulers
Imagine if this actually happened for the 1st half.
We create our Worst Enemy. great use of the writing trope to give Angstrom more fleshed out motivations than in the comics.
I would enjoy a full season of this alternative universe. I would like to see how things would really work out.
That's what happen when you don't call Debbie a pet
"I would never kill you, but I can't let you hurt anyone else"
Dang
I think in this universe Debbie died throughout some time during Invincibles childhood therfore he was raised by Nolan and his beliefs, therfore he was convinced.
3:15 - 3:17 Omni Man telling Robot his very existences is an affront to Viltrumite Ideology.
It’s stated the Main Mark is the only one who said no to Omni-Man’s offer
Actually, Angstrom says that *most* other Marks accepted his offer (Which doesn't make sense because the concept of infinity means there is no "most" anything, but who cares)
@@robertwaksberg prob means the most he's seen, not every single universe visited
@@robertwaksbergit’s possible the multiverse could be a finite structure made of infinite universal filaments, thus despite there being an infinite number of universes there is a finite probability of Mark accepting or rejecting the offer.
@@robertwaksbergThat's not true. There can be well defined notion of "most" in the context of infinities in mathematics. For instance, consider an uncountably infinite number of universes, where only a countably infinite, or maybe even finite amount of Marks said no to Omni Man's offer. In mathematics, and for all intents and purposes we'd say that "almost all" Marks said yes.
It’s also worth noting that Angstrom Levy wasn’t made out of literally every Angstrom Levy, there could only have been so many strapped to The Mauler Twin’s device.
2:13 “Told you we were close.”
One thing the resistance underestimated was how smart Nolan and Mark would be in finding them.
Sonic: 4:53 I traveled 10 million kilometers today and another one using teleportation, whatever, I could do it too with my RINGS
Listening to mark try be sentimental and emotional while also being emotionless is kinda scary
Omni-Man oppressing people is bad but somehow it's ok if your government does it.
I agree with your point
Mark straight up gaslighting people on tv
"We didn't destroy your cities, YOU destroyed them by fighting back"
-Israel
Honestly the Viltrum Empire SOUNDS like a pretty sweet deal if you don't rebel and only take their description of it into account.
This guy straigh up slaughters 90% of earth then gaslights em
Netanyahu talking to gazans would probably be very close to that
"We didn't destroy your cities ,You destroyed them by fight back"
I don't think putting babies in ovens counts tbh
Mark, just be frank and say "everyone gets a Viltumite gf/bf"
It could have been so easy.
When Darth Vader fights Princess Leia
3:30
“We didn’t destroy your cities. YOU destroyed them by fighting back” now that’s some new level of gaslighting.
Honestly if omni man didnt say deb was a pet mark would have lowkey been on board
Insanely Incorrect, He Is & Has Always Been Good By Heart
@@4qurusIn show and comics it's what snapped him out of agreeing
@@salame2693 He Never Once Thought About Agreeing Whilst Omni Man Explained? He Was Just Trying To Continue Doing Good. Omni Man Stating Debbie To Be His Pet Just Made Him Hate Omni Man More
@@4qurus I'm going to not even bother with you because you're so objectively wrong
@@salame2693 In The Comics, You're Correct. In The Show, You're Incorrect.
“Ah! A volunteer!” 😂
4:17 sounds like cave Johnson
Same voice actor
*He can still be with Eve.. Even when she is paralysed.. 💀😬💀*
For those of you already know and don’t know, This is the Parallel/Alternate Universe of Mark Grayson and Nolan Grayson not this universe, The other alternate universe
Mark just gas lighted the entire earth
Mark’s villain voice always gets me
Apart from the universes where Nolan raises Mark as a Viltrumite, mostly it was Eve's death which caused him to snap and turn evil
Mark: “She’s not dead, just paralyzed.”
Donald: “Isn’t… Isn’t that worse?”