That seems stupid to do for a game that has been out for two years. I doubt they expect people to restart their game to play the dlc, in fact that's exactly what Miyazaki said
@@Gmasterjoelio you basically stated a question and then answered it yourself, play the game how youd like, only thing stupid is basing what you do in single player game off of what some tard on the internet thinks
i struggle with this line of thinking because of the rise in RL1 playthroughs. people can beat radagon on RL1 if they’re skilled enough so it’s hard to really nail down the difference between RL and skill when it comes to beating mogh.
@@Gmasterjoelio I'm not loading up a 2 year old character I don't remember the build of to play the DLC, i'm either playing my most recent from like a month ago or starting fresh and using a new build I haven't done, probably fresh though as I want the new items to dictate my gear choices, and I don't want to be over leveled.
I think this attack power upgrade system Miyazaki was referring to being similar to Sekiro is gonna cap us after a certain point where level 150 is no different then 300 within the DLC area. Just my opinion. EDIT - meaning they will gimmick something up where we only can do so much damage to enemies naturally, then we can raise attack by obtaining these upgrades. I don't know what will probably be something weird like "jars of Miquella's sweat" or some other sus sounding thing.
I agree! I'm just over leveling so I can use all the new weapons with max benefit! I don't think it'll matter what level you go in at. Except for the normal vitality checks they do lol
@@insaneHollow Yeah you're absolutely right. I think so many people are citing Sekiro because that was the direct comparison Miyazaki made in a recent interview.
I have a feeling the level scaling won’t be very balanced in the dlc. Will either be too easy or ridiculously hard. I’m leaning towards it being easy if you did everything in the base game. I hope it’s challenging and not easy
If for whatever reason the DLC still seems a bit too easy for you, you can just respec at Rennala and dump some levels into something you don't use. For example i'm level 163 with a +10 Bloodhound Fang, if i'm killing enemies too easily, i'm going to respec and dump a bunch of levels into Faith which I currently have ridiculously low.
The difficulty is not going to be based on level, Miyazaki knows that after 2 years most players still playing are overleveled and also the difference between levels amongst them is big. we are going to get level capped and through fighting bosses you can become stronger like In sekiro. No point in respec.
Wow random 2J encounter. Περιμενω νε βγει το DLC για να σε δω να το παιζεις. Επισης πιστευω οτι θα ηταν καλω να κανεις ενα καινουριο playthrough του main game με νεο χαρακτηρα λιγες μερες πρην να βγει το DLC και αν θελεις το κανεις και livestream.
I didn't think of this until just now, but I'm happy the entrance is Mohg arena. I almost never get called to help with that fight in co-op, and imo he's one of the funnest bosses.
That's because Mohgwyn Palace is isolated from all the other matchmaking that occurs in the game for co-op. You can invade there from anywhere, but not co-op, it must be done locally. Travel to one of the graces and do near only co-op and you will definitely be summoned to help with Mohg.
@@PracticallypreposterousSearch "Elden Ring 1.06" and you will find a page describing the changes for said patch, which included this much needed update of invading and sending signs universally. For co-op, an asterisk marks and describes that Moghwyn Palace, however, is singularly excluded.
I've done low level runs and I can attest: on pure melee, your damage is still high enough, you just need damage resistance talismans to avoid potential one shots. Trust me, you'll feel a huge sense of relief when you finish that run.
Smartest approach IMO my friend, I want to be lower level so 1. things are difficult and rewarding 2. knowing we will get so many new weapons and classes I would like to have some levels to spend towards new weapon requirements
That’s a smart method of approach because you’ll have plenty of levels to play around with as you go through the DLC. I think I’m going to do something similar at level 100 because I can basically beat the entire game at level 100, but i like to bring my characters up to 150-168 (for invasions) so I’ll still have 50-68 level ups to try out the new weapons
Know your build and have your favorite weapons at +25 & +10. Get your vigor at 60 so you can take a big hit and still survive and your main offensive stat at 60-80. I prefer 200 builds because I never feel like I’m missing out on that builds full potential.
idk I've always played at >20 vigor and now I've made a joke build with 50 and feels like I'm cheesing the game I think 30 is enough not to die in a single hit like, ever
@@bnuymedia2537You’re just making the game more difficult for yourself on purpose The average player is going to get hit more than 1 time, so saying that it’s “easy mode” is pretty disingenuous when not everyone plays the game the same
@@bnuymedia2537 Malenia can one shot something around 50-59 vigor with Erdtree's favor+2 with a grab attack (currently have 60, erdtree's favor+2 and barely survive if was grabbed at full HP), and same setup cannot tank full waterflow
I can imagine a system similar to DS2 with Vendrik, where gathering certain items will decrease/increase stats in the game to make the player stronger or more effective against these DLC bosses
It won’t matter the dlc will have its unique power system … if you can beat mohg as lvl one the dlc area will be about the same difficulty for either lvl only way to get op is to lvl up there
Same, also ng+3 and around the same level. I'm going into DLC with my stats spread out to hit all soft caps and plenty of smithing stones so I can use whatever new weapons I find
This makes me feel so much better. I thought I was really terrible (and not just bad 🤣) when I was getting absolutely shredded at the end at level 220. I have always over-leveled any type of combat game......I'd rather melt bosses, than have to fight them 93x! Hahahaha.
My plan is to go in with all the upgrades , at level 130 , +24 normal dual wielding , and hopefully light rolling that way I’ll be end game but still have room to improve the character and git gud if need be.
the only reason I'm saying 150 right now is because of how pvp degenerates past that. Every build will be full-bull-goat-soft-swapping-caster-hybrid because stat req's become moot. 120-138 feels best to me currently so bumping up to 150 wouldn't be too much while still allowing for some growth.
@@saturnianlotus8343yep I’m at 135 and I’d only go to lvl 150 max by end of dlc if need be. I think I’m on Ng+ also so the challenge will be there for sure.
My main is on ng+2 level 420. I will probably try it with that build so I can pick up and use any items/spells I find. I also have builds ranging from 225-125 and inevitably the RL 1 run will happen.
I've got a few characters around this level. What I might do is respec at Rennala and make my build for 150 then dump the rest of the points into another skill I don't use on that character
That's kinda where I'm at it's better to stay at that level you may need the extra stats because damage can only be gained from bosses. Unless you want to PVP but I have 5 characters around 100-150
I’m going in lvl 100 with +8/+20 weapons. I appreciate that we have a cool new levelling system but I still want to experience the progress of classic levelling, so I’ll have up to 50 levels to get in this DLC before I cap off.
This is really good information to know, because im level 210 right now and i dont want to stop leveling up. Im on new game plus and just got everything i want for the dlc. I went to new game plus for the sole reason that ive played this game for 500 hours collectively on multiple saves and have gotten so good at the game that i cant die unless its a death rite bird, the last 4 main bosses, malenia and mohg(ikr thats a lot of bosses to suck at and still be "good" at the game😂
I just want to make sure there is going to be malenia, maliketh and mohg level challenges in the dlc. I dont want to steam roll things all the time but i do still want to be a high level to use my weapons to their upmost abilities.
There is one reply to a comment here I saw that pointed out something really smart. They mention how in DS2 there are Giant Souls which determine how effective you are at damaging Vendrick. Yes, it is functionally similar to Sekiro's attack power. But in terms of lore, it might be similar to how DS2 does it. Maybe in the DLC, we'll get something relating to Miquella that will help deal damage in the Land of Shadows. It could even be something like the cut content dream mist item. This could encourage non-combat exploration and maybe make use of the sleep mechanic which is hardly used in the main game - both by players and enemies.
One thing I never here mentioned is that if ur worried about being over levelled, u can respec ur character to be a “jack of all trades”… that way u won’t be too powerful, but u can also experience all the different builds without having to respec
I was thinking of doing something similar in New game + i am very traditional, shield and claymore, no more, but I was starting to increased those stats for dlc, but, it is not a bad Idea to be "Mogh level" main attributes, and the rest just for defenses, and, in new game plus, play as a JoOT, O was thinking of play that way in NG+ but now I think it would be kind of stale
You're absolutely right, thinking about the level of your character is the wrong way to think about it since all items scale on only 2 or 3 stats. If a level 400 has 99 Intel and 99 dex but running a strength faith build, it just means he is roughly at the power level of a lvl 202, but he can switch build when he wants and be more flexible in his game play The only true answer to that question is not what level your character is, but in what NG+ your character is. I have one char lvl 330 in NG+7 and i don't want to experience the DLC in NG+7, damages from any mobs or boss are too F stupids + they have crazy HP pool. It's very challenging and i dont want to do that for my first run into it
I’ve completed 2 full playthroughs and I’m almost finished with my 3rd for the Ranni ending but I was around 200 give or take a few lvls for each completion.
Considering you can get a +10 somber weapon with margit, godrick, and the volcano manor godskin as your only boss kills, you can kill mohg as early as like level 50 if you want to pump your damage stat.
Great video! I rolled a Samurai to the mid 250’s and I am putting him on the bench for Shadow. Either going with a 135 bleed rogue, or 130 warrior strength build to get the full experience. Better to get your ass beat and savor the experience than steam roll everything.
I have fears of Brume tower all over again. Id wager level 200 is roughly what Fromsoftware intends players to hit before starting the DLC. Then again if the DLC is letting you increase attack power with its own specific mechanic, then level may be more of build requirement than a DLC requirement. Hard requirement as of now is beating Rhadan and Mohg, both of which can be beaten at level 80 with relative ease. I have a sneaking suspicion Messer the impaler will be the first major boss you fight in the DLC.
i was level ~160 when i finished my first run. im now on NG+4 and sitting around level 310. so honestly im not too worried about the dlc being a cakewalk since i've already made the game harder for myself. for those who're wondering, after a point i decided to balance my stats out so i could use just about every weapon in the game. i believe the last time i check i had about 50-55 levels in each stat.
I’m around the same level as you and I’ve done the same thing to my levels the only difference is my character is on ng+8 and I can start ng+9 but I don’t if I want to start ng+9 cuz if I can just go straight to the dlc from killing mogh and radahn ill just stay on ng+8 but I don’t if the game will make me reset to ng+9 for the dlc
I’m still debating starting a new playthrough now and go into NG+ and just get going on 6.21 once the DLC drops. Definitely doing a new starting build for it.
I’m going to laugh soooo hard if we pop into the dlc and are met with a prompt… Your power from grace has been shadowed… then we are left at base level and forced to use base weapons till we power back up.
New game plus 5 level 350 . Struggling vs bosses was fun but after 2 years of playing / beating the 5 times … I just want the new weapons/ armor n more Lore
What I like to do, to keep it challenging at a high level, I max out Arcane to have a higher drop rate on items, while not rocking an Arcane build. So lets say I run a pure STR build, I max out Arc, put a lot of points in END, and the minimum reqs for my weapons
I'm going to be playing through the dlc with two characters, one at level 125, and one at level 90, the reason why i chose RL 90 is because I've had a few successful runs at RL 80 with completing the base game, only doing this to see if it's possible, otherwise, I can always take the time to grind the dlc for runes and level up there.
120 to 150. If someone is higher, I think fromsoft will use the current phantom downscaling mechanism to bring people down to the level of a host around 150. Notice 150 is my guess, but you get the idea. There's gonna be a threshold where leveling up won't make much of a difference. Personally I think this is great and makes me actually consider going in with a 200+ build, heck even 300! I'll be able to use whatever weapon/equipment while being scaled down appropriately. I'll only use the new power mechanic if the challenge becomes absurd.
The character I’m going to use first is currently level 243 and I’m still working on them. I want my stats to be as high as possible so I can pick up a new toy and immediately play with it; everything looks too cool to not try!
Will your ending in the base game affect the DLC? Like the Frenzied flame ending, where Melina is kinda pissed at you? Because she is supposed to tell you where to enter the DLC etc.
would love to have the "meta" go from 150 > 170. hybrid builds are pretty sucky while purist cheese builds reign supreme at 150. just had some douchenozzle pop half my health bar with 1 moonveil slash, and i'm at 153 with 60 vigor and heavy armor (this guy was clearly a squishy magic user with sub 40 vigor).... he then ran off when he started losing, because of course he did, and then when the host decided to ignore him and proceed on the beaten path (WHICH IS A TERRIBLE IDEA BTW) he just went on top of a wall and sniped the host clean off a ladder with a greatbow, he survived the barrage of arrows at about 20% hp but the fall finished him..... the fact i feel like i constantly have to min/max my equipment, can't carry more than 1 weapon because my build revolves around the 101 poise breakpoint (which means heavy armor) and literally cannot spare a single point in mind let alone another point in endurance is awful... i'm a strength/faith build in heavy armor and i can barely meet the faith requirements needed for non-dogshit incantations, let alone the FP to cast them more than 3-4 times. i constantly feel like i am just a few points short of almost anything outside of a one-trick pony build at 150. if i don't need FP, i need weight load, if i don't need weight load or FP i need faith, if i don't need faith, weight load or FP, i need HP or dmg.... CONSTANTLY FALLING A FEW POINTS SHORT IN WHATEVER I NEED IS A CONSTANT AT THIS TIER!!! whoever decided 150 should be the meta was about 20-30 levels short. actual garbage tier in every sense of the word.
My biggest concern with this is high NG cycles requiring much higher character levels in the base game and then entering with effectively 0 attack power on mega scaled enemies. None of the information we have so far explains how higher NG cycles will be accomodated. Will we have some sort of "baseline" attack power and go up from there? or will we have 0 and thus a MUCH harder time damaging bosses.
I'm someone who finds joy in overleveling a character, and getting rid of the difficulty out of a game. It gives me great pleasure, to try a hard boss, die, then go elsewhere and grind for a while, then come back and oneshot it without having to learn all of the attacks. So I hope that the game doesn't punish you too harshly if you're over leveled.
Im going in at level 300, I like being able to use every weapon, I am running st trina’s sword sleep build, I feel its going to be very viable in the dlc
100% the game at level 80, and it was pretty challenging. Will 100% the expansion at level 90, and when done with it, probably boost to level 200 for pvp since i don't think level 90 invasions are gonna be very active in the expansion zones.
For those wondering, for pvp between 125-150 is busy for single stat builds and anywhere between 250-300 is also busy for double 80 builds, for those of you who wanted to push their builds to the next level and still enjoy pvp
This has been my first souls game, and I absolutely love it!! I’m on my third playthrough, and I’m trying to 100% the game before the DLC drops. I’m actually almost level 300 (285 I think). Game is absolutely amazing, and I can’t wait for this DLC!!
i am a bit conflicted between two options: 1)go with a 137 RL character that has basically everything. the problem with that is i wont have to "rely" on the equipment that the dlc gives me because of my complete build 2)go with with a level one wretch with EVERYTHING discarded after i enter the DLC, scavenge everything i can find in order to survive(this challenge is the most fulfilling in the 1st playthrough of the game). the problems are that its going to be hard ASF, no pvp and i dont know what upgrade materials im going to get in the dlc (if its going to be only +8 +7 i wont be able to upgrade a weapon at all) what do you guys think?
I would do the second option but with a character that you can get all the way up to maliketh. That way you have all the upgrade bell bearings. I found that I can get up to maliketh like that at level 80 so maybe stop leveling them there. At level 80 all you would be doing is putting points into vigor and endurance anyway. Then, if you want that character to be 137-138 for invasions in the DLC, you’ll still have 58 levels to play around with your damage stats as you continue to level up in the dlc. Thus you can build your character out while playing the dlc, acquiring the new weapons and armor.
NG+4, lvl 175. I have a lvl 150 on NG+7 cycle (like on journey 15) but I decided to lvl this guy at 175, can still be summoned by lvls 150 to help them. I don't care about pvp. I got a RL1 character that cleared everything solo, but I didn't begin NG+1 so he'll be perfect to clear the DLC on RL1.
Miyazaki said it would be around Mohg’s palace level. I completed the game easily at 125. PvP meta’s at 125. I’d definetly stay there until further notice. Plus Miyazaki in the same interview said there would be an alternate levelling strategy that won’t affect your current level
I think they’ve already mentioned that it will have a level scaling system like Sekiro’s DLC. Where the level you are- whether that’s NG+7 or on your first playthrough, it won’t matter much. If you’re end game I’m sure that would be preferable, as I’m guessing gear or builds will make the main difference. I think if someone had never played the game and hadn’t made it to the Altus Plateau area they’d probably struggle a lot jumping into the DLC. lol
I’m doing another play through on my first NG+ right now. I’m currently level 182 and plan on being 190-200 by the time I’m DLC ready. I think that should put me in a pretty comfortable spot
Guys correct me if I'm wrong. If you kill a boss in the shadow realm for example you will get 10% of your power in the main world and if you kill 3 bosses . Now you have 30% power of your current character in the main world right ?
Honestly, at this point I think I wouldn't be opposed to FS adding some sort of level cap at around 150 to 200. That way they can balance everything around players being at those levels. They could have a system like Attack Power added to ng+ cycles and the dlc so players can optionally become stronger, but have no effect on PVP. We'd have to go for actual builds, instead of maxed out characters, there would be a lot more players in the same level ranges for coop and pvp, PVE could be balanced around a specific endpoint and these concerns about being over levelled would not be a thing.
I'm 196 stats at 37vig, 18,36,45,42,35,40,22 this is a balanced build. I use sacred relic sword+10 with Godfrey icon shard of Alexander I entered the DLC and my weapons had little effect on some random attacker using beast claws. I turned left from the first grace entered a boss arena.weaopon had no effect and I die in 1 or two hits
I have 2 characters, one at level 200 NG and the other is level 617 NG++ which will eventually be level 713. I find at 200 you can have a decently balanced character, anything below your just wielding 1 weapon type which gets boring. My 617 is extremely fun because you can wield anything you want without re-spec!... only thing is there are not many people at that level so you can wait a long time for multiplayer.
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but this sounds a bit like the "Giant Souls" in Dark Souls 2, and how it changed how much damage you did to Vendrick. By having a feature associated with the level of "shadow" (or "light") you've gathered, the DLC would become easier as you overcome the "resistances" of enemies.
For experienced players, 100-125. 125-150 for casual players. And I’d say anywhere from 150-175 for those who still want a slight challenge but also don’t want to have to fight bosses multiple times just to figure out patterns. And anything above that is probably just gonna be a cake walk on NG. NG+, and NG+X ranges will differ obviously
I have the choices between a level 438 Str/faith on NG+ 4, a level 217Sorcery and a level 168 pure bleed build. The DLC is either going to be really easy or one of the hardest thing so have ever played.
Since ER DLC focuses on Miquella, it be cool if it did a progress check when ya finally come face to face w Miquella, and if ya killed Melania it unlocks and even crazier fight against Miquella (your summons attack you?) And if you have not killed Melania, ya get something crazy?
I have a NG+ lv 200 (faith-int), lv 150 (int), and lv 100 (faith). I plan on taking the DLC really slow, savoring it, alternating between my three builds.
At RL 137, I believe you can invade levels 125 through 150. I think this will be my starting level for the dlc. Can't wait to invade in new areas with new weapons!
Which level you should be depends on your build, since some builds require more levels than others. But I agree with the person who said that whatever level you are at when beating Mohg is good.
I'm going first with a dex faith build just below 150. Depending on what kind of items I find in the dlc I have 3 other characters with various builds. Strength/Arcane bleed, Int/Faith spell caster, and a jacked level 365 dragon cultest. That last character is on ng+7
I have to 2 characters one that’s end game (beat all bosses optional & mandatory just haven’t chose an ending) & another that still has mohg, malenia, Radagon & Elden Beast! Both are around levels 120 so I believe I’ll tackle the expansion on reg new game first then ng plus right after so I can start with whichever cool new weapon I find & want to use from the dlc!
I have a strength 125 build I just defeated the EB on and didnt roll credits on because I thought they might give us a different ending... I guess I wont get a new ending but that is probably what I am going to do the DLC with. 125 felt decent enough on Mogh. I just hope fromsoft doesn't troll us all and you lose a questline or something if you kill Mogh lol
I'm gonna be about 360. So that way I can experience almost ALL of the DLC and weapons at max benefits in one go. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to play through it 8 times back to back. But when I do decide to come back to it, I'll know what is there, what Stats I'll need to use whatever I want to use. And I'll play through it naturally.
I used to cap at 150 but after doing many invasions I’ve come to love 168. It’s the sweet spot imo. Enough to split into two main stats but not enough to be a master of all.
What im currently doing in preparation for the dlc is having 3 + different playthroughs ready. Each focused on a specific build. (dex/strength, faith/strength, intelligence/strength, etc). I get my character to around level 130 doing most major bosses except malenia, placidusax, and maliketh + everything that comes after him. So when I beat the dlc I can beat the rest of the base game with whatever I come out of the dlc with. Ensuring im prepared with lots of smithing stones and larval tears for whatever the dlc gives us. Although doing it this way has its downsides. Considering most of my final bosses are fire giant, godskin duo, and commander neil, is a bit unfortunate because those bosses suck imo. But it will be worth it for the dlc!
I have a 125 for pvp a 150, 180, 205 and 305 so I’m good. I will use my high lvl for the first run so I can test weapons, figure out what I like then run my pvp build through for those said weapons.
im on ng+3 and level 210, is the dlc gonna be harder because is ng+3? or im gonna have to respect and place some points in some useless spec like arcane (ofc useless for my build)
I'm sitting right under 250, but I run minimum stats for using everything in the game so my health isn't crazy, nor is my endurance. I just like having my options. I need many more points in strength and intelligence to be able to use everything in the game so far.
While I stuck to meta 125-150 for 2 years, I recently brought my first character well above 200 and was very surprised to meet so many players at these levels in Coop. Actually I realized that 150-200 is TOTALLY DEAD but things pick back up after 200 for all the NG+ players.
I have 9 builds ready in-between 125-150. I have a magic build w dmgs. I have a str/faith build with crucible weapons. I have a lightning and fire build. A dex/ magic build a pure str build and a frost gravity build and a dexbuild. The last spot will be a str/arc or dex/arc build
Fromsoft said that the ennemis from the dlc will be at your lvl, so you can be lvl 50 or 500 it change nothing. it's a new type of leveling introduice in the dlc it's a mechanic from sekiro
I have characters at 80, 115, 125, and 130, probably will be playing my 125 build first, although pushing one of them to 150 is tempting for a tiny bit more build freedom! looking forward to experimenting with new weapons !
I think someone at FromSoft said it perfectly, “whatever level you are when you beat mohg and got there naturally” or something along those lines.
This is the way
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People who use duplicate glitches to max level are gonna be upset and likely won't even finish the dlc. Fantastic Miyazaki.
The way to access the dlc IS the hint on what level you should be. A level that allows you to beat Mogh.
Just beat mohg at like 80, ill probably play the DLC on my 2 mains then do a fresh start run
That seems stupid to do for a game that has been out for two years. I doubt they expect people to restart their game to play the dlc, in fact that's exactly what Miyazaki said
@@Gmasterjoelio you basically stated a question and then answered it yourself, play the game how youd like, only thing stupid is basing what you do in single player game off of what some tard on the internet thinks
i struggle with this line of thinking because of the rise in RL1 playthroughs. people can beat radagon on RL1 if they’re skilled enough so it’s hard to really nail down the difference between RL and skill when it comes to beating mogh.
@@Gmasterjoelio I'm not loading up a 2 year old character I don't remember the build of to play the DLC, i'm either playing my most recent from like a month ago or starting fresh and using a new build I haven't done, probably fresh though as I want the new items to dictate my gear choices, and I don't want to be over leveled.
I think this attack power upgrade system Miyazaki was referring to being similar to Sekiro is gonna cap us after a certain point where level 150 is no different then 300 within the DLC area. Just my opinion.
EDIT - meaning they will gimmick something up where we only can do so much damage to enemies naturally, then we can raise attack by obtaining these upgrades. I don't know what will probably be something weird like "jars of Miquella's sweat" or some other sus sounding thing.
Dreamy bath water that cooked up while Miquey was waiting on us. Calling it now.
I agree! I'm just over leveling so I can use all the new weapons with max benefit! I don't think it'll matter what level you go in at. Except for the normal vitality checks they do lol
Everyone forgetting that this mechanic already existed before sekiro. Do y’all remember needing to grab giant souls to fight Vendrick in DS2?
@@insaneHollow Yeah you're absolutely right. I think so many people are citing Sekiro because that was the direct comparison Miyazaki made in a recent interview.
I have a feeling the level scaling won’t be very balanced in the dlc. Will either be too easy or ridiculously hard. I’m leaning towards it being easy if you did everything in the base game. I hope it’s challenging and not easy
If for whatever reason the DLC still seems a bit too easy for you, you can just respec at Rennala and dump some levels into something you don't use. For example i'm level 163 with a +10 Bloodhound Fang, if i'm killing enemies too easily, i'm going to respec and dump a bunch of levels into Faith which I currently have ridiculously low.
The difficulty is not going to be based on level, Miyazaki knows that after 2 years most players still playing are overleveled and also the difference between levels amongst them is big. we are going to get level capped and through fighting bosses you can become stronger like In sekiro. No point in respec.
Does this work on level 713
Wow random 2J encounter. Περιμενω νε βγει το DLC για να σε δω να το παιζεις. Επισης πιστευω οτι θα ηταν καλω να κανεις ενα καινουριο playthrough του main game με νεο χαρακτηρα λιγες μερες πρην να βγει το DLC και αν θελεις το κανεις και livestream.
Bloodhound fang is lame AF
@@cionm7077 That means people with low level are going to suffer?
I didn't think of this until just now, but I'm happy the entrance is Mohg arena. I almost never get called to help with that fight in co-op, and imo he's one of the funnest bosses.
That's because Mohgwyn Palace is isolated from all the other matchmaking that occurs in the game for co-op. You can invade there from anywhere, but not co-op, it must be done locally. Travel to one of the graces and do near only co-op and you will definitely be summoned to help with Mohg.
Yeah, that second phase goes crazy
I helped over 100 people beat Mohg, definitely one of my favorites.
@@kimlee6643where did you get that from?
@@PracticallypreposterousSearch "Elden Ring 1.06" and you will find a page describing the changes for said patch, which included this much needed update of invading and sending signs universally. For co-op, an asterisk marks and describes that Moghwyn Palace, however, is singularly excluded.
Im gonna be doing it at lv72 with full melee build and no spirit ashes, could be a brutal journey but I'm looking forward to it
I've done low level runs and I can attest: on pure melee, your damage is still high enough, you just need damage resistance talismans to avoid potential one shots. Trust me, you'll feel a huge sense of relief when you finish that run.
@@enman009 i can already imagine the rush I'll get beating some bosses
Smartest approach IMO my friend, I want to be lower level so
1. things are difficult and rewarding
2. knowing we will get so many new weapons and classes I would like to have some levels to spend towards new weapon requirements
level 1 for me, it'll be fun i'm sure
That’s a smart method of approach because you’ll have plenty of levels to play around with as you go through the DLC. I think I’m going to do something similar at level 100 because I can basically beat the entire game at level 100, but i like to bring my characters up to 150-168 (for invasions) so I’ll still have 50-68 level ups to try out the new weapons
Man I was thinking about this the last couple days,I think 125 would be a sweet spot not to easy but not to hard where you would feel under leveled!
I'm just excited to figure more of this tremendous story!
Know your build and have your favorite weapons at +25 & +10. Get your vigor at 60 so you can take a big hit and still survive and your main offensive stat at 60-80.
I prefer 200 builds because I never feel like I’m missing out on that builds full potential.
idk I've always played at >20 vigor and now I've made a joke build with 50 and feels like I'm cheesing the game
I think 30 is enough not to die in a single hit like, ever
@@bnuymedia2537You’re just making the game more difficult for yourself on purpose
The average player is going to get hit more than 1 time, so saying that it’s “easy mode” is pretty disingenuous when not everyone plays the game the same
@@bnuymedia2537 Malenia can one shot something around 50-59 vigor with Erdtree's favor+2 with a grab attack (currently have 60, erdtree's favor+2 and barely survive if was grabbed at full HP), and same setup cannot tank full waterflow
I can imagine a system similar to DS2 with Vendrik, where gathering certain items will decrease/increase stats in the game to make the player stronger or more effective against these DLC bosses
I will be around 250 in NG+1. I'm a bit of a newbie in souls games but absolutely love it.
150-170 sounds good for me for the DLC, I cannot fucking wait!
Same, currently at 160, not planning to go any higher than that
It won’t matter the dlc will have its unique power system … if you can beat mohg as lvl one the dlc area will be about the same difficulty for either lvl only way to get op is to lvl up there
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@@joaobosepintodiaz7832do y find some pvp Player With Level?
Everyone is going to get level capped so it won't matter
150 gang ------->
Seems solid that’s about the level you’ll be if you did all the optional content (excluding shitty catacomb dungeons)
3 gang ------------------------->
250 gang 😎
@@Bavari90250 is the perfect level imo
@@gamer_geek2638 it is.
Nice video as always, cheers from Germany
I’m gonna go in at level 315. I’m on new game plus 3 and I was getting worked on at the end game parts of elden ring
Same, also ng+3 and around the same level. I'm going into DLC with my stats spread out to hit all soft caps and plenty of smithing stones so I can use whatever new weapons I find
I am at a very similar level, also NG+3
Same here. NG3 and my level is 350
This makes me feel so much better. I thought I was really terrible (and not just bad 🤣) when I was getting absolutely shredded at the end at level 220. I have always over-leveled any type of combat game......I'd rather melt bosses, than have to fight them 93x! Hahahaha.
Have fun getting one tapped by the bosses
My plan is to go in with all the upgrades , at level 130 , +24 normal dual wielding , and hopefully light rolling that way I’ll be end game but still have room to improve the character and git gud if need be.
+25 is too meta. +24 is where its at... i guess
I'm level 602 at Ng+17 with 650 hrs but I feel it won't be enough
I'm 618 NG+3 600hrs.
We're golden bro.
Enemies stop scaling after ng+7 so it is more than enough
what do you even do to get that high of a level and what is there to do???
@@malcadorthesigillite2541level 713 ng+6
@@strode00you don't have to re-spec to change your build
i think I will go into the dlc on ng+7 diff and lvl 713 to enjoy all the new builds
200 is a cool number
the only reason I'm saying 150 right now is because of how pvp degenerates past that. Every build will be full-bull-goat-soft-swapping-caster-hybrid because stat req's become moot. 120-138 feels best to me currently so bumping up to 150 wouldn't be too much while still allowing for some growth.
@@saturnianlotus8343 sensible human being, a rare treat in zios comments
@@saturnianlotus8343yep I’m at 135 and I’d only go to lvl 150 max by end of dlc if need be. I think I’m on Ng+ also so the challenge will be there for sure.
On ng+2 lvl 200
200
My main is on ng+2 level 420. I will probably try it with that build so I can pick up and use any items/spells I find.
I also have builds ranging from 225-125 and inevitably the RL 1 run will happen.
I'm at around 230, I might start a new playthrough but that's what I'm chillin at for now
What build is that? I'm planning to use a pure melee lvl160, but I also want to use some spells.
I've got a few characters around this level. What I might do is respec at Rennala and make my build for 150 then dump the rest of the points into another skill I don't use on that character
That's kinda where I'm at it's better to stay at that level you may need the extra stats because damage can only be gained from bosses. Unless you want to PVP but I have 5 characters around 100-150
Same here man, I want to start a new playthrough but I also want to go in with all my awesome shit! Lol
@@enman009 mainly a melee build with some stats in int and mind if I wanna use spells
05:08 1 to 150 is a really good range
Ima do it at 170 cuz everytime I always beat the game around that level, somehow
Nice, I remember commenting on your Twitter post about this. Glad to hear that 150 will be the intended level.
I’m going in lvl 100 with +8/+20 weapons. I appreciate that we have a cool new levelling system but I still want to experience the progress of classic levelling, so I’ll have up to 50 levels to get in this DLC before I cap off.
I’m 205 just starting ng+3, struggled with the last few bosses due to my melee only build but really excited to get into the dlc
This is really good information to know, because im level 210 right now and i dont want to stop leveling up. Im on new game plus and just got everything i want for the dlc. I went to new game plus for the sole reason that ive played this game for 500 hours collectively on multiple saves and have gotten so good at the game that i cant die unless its a death rite bird, the last 4 main bosses, malenia and mohg(ikr thats a lot of bosses to suck at and still be "good" at the game😂
I just want to make sure there is going to be malenia, maliketh and mohg level challenges in the dlc. I dont want to steam roll things all the time but i do still want to be a high level to use my weapons to their upmost abilities.
There is one reply to a comment here I saw that pointed out something really smart. They mention how in DS2 there are Giant Souls which determine how effective you are at damaging Vendrick. Yes, it is functionally similar to Sekiro's attack power. But in terms of lore, it might be similar to how DS2 does it. Maybe in the DLC, we'll get something relating to Miquella that will help deal damage in the Land of Shadows. It could even be something like the cut content dream mist item. This could encourage non-combat exploration and maybe make use of the sleep mechanic which is hardly used in the main game - both by players and enemies.
One thing I never here mentioned is that if ur worried about being over levelled, u can respec ur character to be a “jack of all trades”… that way u won’t be too powerful, but u can also experience all the different builds without having to respec
I was thinking of doing something similar in New game + i am very traditional, shield and claymore, no more, but I was starting to increased those stats for dlc, but, it is not a bad Idea to be "Mogh level" main attributes, and the rest just for defenses, and, in new game plus, play as a JoOT, O was thinking of play that way in NG+ but now I think it would be kind of stale
You're absolutely right, thinking about the level of your character is the wrong way to think about it since all items scale on only 2 or 3 stats. If a level 400 has 99 Intel and 99 dex but running a strength faith build, it just means he is roughly at the power level of a lvl 202, but he can switch build when he wants and be more flexible in his game play
The only true answer to that question is not what level your character is, but in what NG+ your character is. I have one char lvl 330 in NG+7 and i don't want to experience the DLC in NG+7, damages from any mobs or boss are too F stupids + they have crazy HP pool. It's very challenging and i dont want to do that for my first run into it
@@wzz7380would you say experiencing the dlc in ng2 at level 207 would be fine?
I’ve completed 2 full playthroughs and I’m almost finished with my 3rd for the Ranni ending but I was around 200 give or take a few lvls for each completion.
That gorgeous baritone "All right what's goin' on guys" will never get old 🥵
i had a ng+ 8 account but im starting fresh and going to the dlc on a new build
Considering you can get a +10 somber weapon with margit, godrick, and the volcano manor godskin as your only boss kills, you can kill mohg as early as like level 50 if you want to pump your damage stat.
Great video! I rolled a Samurai to the mid 250’s and I am putting him on the bench for Shadow. Either going with a 135 bleed rogue, or 130 warrior strength build to get the full experience. Better to get your ass beat and savor the experience than steam roll everything.
300+ gang -->
I have fears of Brume tower all over again. Id wager level 200 is roughly what Fromsoftware intends players to hit before starting the DLC.
Then again if the DLC is letting you increase attack power with its own specific mechanic, then level may be more of build requirement than a DLC requirement. Hard requirement as of now is beating Rhadan and Mohg, both of which can be beaten at level 80 with relative ease.
I have a sneaking suspicion Messer the impaler will be the first major boss you fight in the DLC.
i was level ~160 when i finished my first run. im now on NG+4 and sitting around level 310. so honestly im not too worried about the dlc being a cakewalk since i've already made the game harder for myself. for those who're wondering, after a point i decided to balance my stats out so i could use just about every weapon in the game. i believe the last time i check i had about 50-55 levels in each stat.
thats a fun idea
I’m around the same level as you and I’ve done the same thing to my levels the only difference is my character is on ng+8 and I can start ng+9 but I don’t if I want to start ng+9 cuz if I can just go straight to the dlc from killing mogh and radahn ill just stay on ng+8 but I don’t if the game will make me reset to ng+9 for the dlc
I’m still debating starting a new playthrough now and go into NG+ and just get going on 6.21 once the DLC drops. Definitely doing a new starting build for it.
Can't wait!!
Im going to go in at max level on ng+7 but I will not be using broken things to get a harder experience and that I could try every weapons and spells
Good Elden Ring creator = Ziostorm
I’m going to laugh soooo hard if we pop into the dlc and are met with a prompt… Your power from grace has been shadowed… then we are left at base level and forced to use base weapons till we power back up.
“You should expect the DLC to be a joke as well” lmao 🤡
New game plus 5 level 350 .
Struggling vs bosses was fun but after 2 years of playing / beating the 5 times …
I just want the new weapons/ armor n more Lore
What I like to do, to keep it challenging at a high level, I max out Arcane to have a higher drop rate on items, while not rocking an Arcane build. So lets say I run a pure STR build, I max out Arc, put a lot of points in END, and the minimum reqs for my weapons
I'm going to be playing through the dlc with two characters, one at level 125, and one at level 90, the reason why i chose RL 90 is because I've had a few successful runs at RL 80 with completing the base game, only doing this to see if it's possible, otherwise, I can always take the time to grind the dlc for runes and level up there.
There was this one time when I was summoned to help level 25 player to beat Godskin Duo in Farum Azula... so much for optimal leveling, lol :D
120 to 150. If someone is higher, I think fromsoft will use the current phantom downscaling mechanism to bring people down to the level of a host around 150.
Notice 150 is my guess, but you get the idea. There's gonna be a threshold where leveling up won't make much of a difference.
Personally I think this is great and makes me actually consider going in with a 200+ build, heck even 300!
I'll be able to use whatever weapon/equipment while being scaled down appropriately. I'll only use the new power mechanic if the challenge becomes absurd.
The character I’m going to use first is currently level 243 and I’m still working on them. I want my stats to be as high as possible so I can pick up a new toy and immediately play with it; everything looks too cool to not try!
Will your ending in the base game affect the DLC? Like the Frenzied flame ending, where Melina is kinda pissed at you? Because she is supposed to tell you where to enter the DLC etc.
would love to have the "meta" go from 150 > 170.
hybrid builds are pretty sucky while purist cheese builds reign supreme at 150.
just had some douchenozzle pop half my health bar with 1 moonveil slash, and i'm at 153 with 60 vigor and heavy armor (this guy was clearly a squishy magic user with sub 40 vigor).... he then ran off when he started losing, because of course he did, and then when the host decided to ignore him and proceed on the beaten path (WHICH IS A TERRIBLE IDEA BTW) he just went on top of a wall and sniped the host clean off a ladder with a greatbow, he survived the barrage of arrows at about 20% hp but the fall finished him.....
the fact i feel like i constantly have to min/max my equipment, can't carry more than 1 weapon because my build revolves around the 101 poise breakpoint (which means heavy armor) and literally cannot spare a single point in mind let alone another point in endurance is awful... i'm a strength/faith build in heavy armor and i can barely meet the faith requirements needed for non-dogshit incantations, let alone the FP to cast them more than 3-4 times.
i constantly feel like i am just a few points short of almost anything outside of a one-trick pony build at 150.
if i don't need FP, i need weight load, if i don't need weight load or FP i need faith, if i don't need faith, weight load or FP, i need HP or dmg.... CONSTANTLY FALLING A FEW POINTS SHORT IN WHATEVER I NEED IS A CONSTANT AT THIS TIER!!!
whoever decided 150 should be the meta was about 20-30 levels short. actual garbage tier in every sense of the word.
My biggest concern with this is high NG cycles requiring much higher character levels in the base game and then entering with effectively 0 attack power on mega scaled enemies. None of the information we have so far explains how higher NG cycles will be accomodated. Will we have some sort of "baseline" attack power and go up from there? or will we have 0 and thus a MUCH harder time damaging bosses.
When it comes to Elden Ring, the answer to the "What level should you be?" question is always going to be 713.
I'm someone who finds joy in overleveling a character, and getting rid of the difficulty out of a game. It gives me great pleasure, to try a hard boss, die, then go elsewhere and grind for a while, then come back and oneshot it without having to learn all of the attacks. So I hope that the game doesn't punish you too harshly if you're over leveled.
Same brother
Same
Im going in at level 300, I like being able to use every weapon, I am running st trina’s sword sleep build, I feel its going to be very viable in the dlc
If you are NG+3 or beyond, good luck
My character is 150; however, I have over 7 millions runes from coop without knowing what to do with them yet.
100% the game at level 80, and it was pretty challenging. Will 100% the expansion at level 90, and when done with it, probably boost to level 200 for pvp since i don't think level 90 invasions are gonna be very active in the expansion zones.
For those wondering, for pvp between 125-150 is busy for single stat builds and anywhere between 250-300 is also busy for double 80 builds, for those of you who wanted to push their builds to the next level and still enjoy pvp
This has been my first souls game, and I absolutely love it!! I’m on my third playthrough, and I’m trying to 100% the game before the DLC drops. I’m actually almost level 300 (285 I think).
Game is absolutely amazing, and I can’t wait for this DLC!!
I am planning on going into the dlc in ng+7/8 at about level 250ish.
Oh boy
i am a bit conflicted between two options:
1)go with a 137 RL character that has basically everything. the problem with that is i wont have to "rely" on the equipment that the dlc gives me because of my complete build
2)go with with a level one wretch with EVERYTHING discarded after i enter the DLC, scavenge everything i can find in order to survive(this challenge is the most fulfilling in the 1st playthrough of the game). the problems are that its going to be hard ASF, no pvp and i dont know what upgrade materials im going to get in the dlc (if its going to be only +8 +7 i wont be able to upgrade a weapon at all)
what do you guys think?
I would do the second option but with a character that you can get all the way up to maliketh. That way you have all the upgrade bell bearings. I found that I can get up to maliketh like that at level 80 so maybe stop leveling them there. At level 80 all you would be doing is putting points into vigor and endurance anyway. Then, if you want that character to be 137-138 for invasions in the DLC, you’ll still have 58 levels to play around with your damage stats as you continue to level up in the dlc. Thus you can build your character out while playing the dlc, acquiring the new weapons and armor.
i'm gonna go to the dlc with my level 1 save then i'll do another run with a mage around level 100 and another with incantation around level 100 too
NG+4, lvl 175. I have a lvl 150 on NG+7 cycle (like on journey 15) but I decided to lvl this guy at 175, can still be summoned by lvls 150 to help them. I don't care about pvp.
I got a RL1 character that cleared everything solo, but I didn't begin NG+1 so he'll be perfect to clear the DLC on RL1.
Miyazaki said it would be around Mohg’s palace level. I completed the game easily at 125. PvP meta’s at 125. I’d definetly stay there until further notice.
Plus Miyazaki in the same interview said there would be an alternate levelling strategy that won’t affect your current level
Great video dude, btw sekiro did have a level up system, it was a mask which was locked behind a quest and about 1/2 of the story.
I think they’ve already mentioned that it will have a level scaling system like Sekiro’s DLC. Where the level you are- whether that’s NG+7 or on your first playthrough, it won’t matter much. If you’re end game I’m sure that would be preferable, as I’m guessing gear or builds will make the main difference. I think if someone had never played the game and hadn’t made it to the Altus Plateau area they’d probably struggle a lot jumping into the DLC. lol
I’m doing another play through on my first NG+ right now. I’m currently level 182 and plan on being 190-200 by the time I’m DLC ready. I think that should put me in a pretty comfortable spot
Guys correct me if I'm wrong. If you kill a boss in the shadow realm for example you will get 10% of your power in the main world and if you kill 3 bosses . Now you have 30% power of your current character in the main world right ?
I haven't played Elden Ring in almost two years so I cant wait to start up a new playthrough in preparation for the DLC.
Honestly, at this point I think I wouldn't be opposed to FS adding some sort of level cap at around 150 to 200. That way they can balance everything around players being at those levels. They could have a system like Attack Power added to ng+ cycles and the dlc so players can optionally become stronger, but have no effect on PVP.
We'd have to go for actual builds, instead of maxed out characters, there would be a lot more players in the same level ranges for coop and pvp, PVE could be balanced around a specific endpoint and these concerns about being over levelled would not be a thing.
I'm 196 stats at
37vig, 18,36,45,42,35,40,22 this is a balanced build. I use sacred relic sword+10 with Godfrey icon shard of Alexander I entered the DLC and my weapons had little effect on some random attacker using beast claws. I turned left from the first grace entered a boss arena.weaopon had no effect and I die in 1 or two hits
I have 2 characters, one at level 200 NG and the other is level 617 NG++ which will eventually be level 713. I find at 200 you can have a decently balanced character, anything below your just wielding 1 weapon type which gets boring. My 617 is extremely fun because you can wield anything you want without re-spec!... only thing is there are not many people at that level so you can wait a long time for multiplayer.
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but this sounds a bit like the "Giant Souls" in Dark Souls 2, and how it changed how much damage you did to Vendrick. By having a feature associated with the level of "shadow" (or "light") you've gathered, the DLC would become easier as you overcome the "resistances" of enemies.
For experienced players, 100-125. 125-150 for casual players. And I’d say anywhere from 150-175 for those who still want a slight challenge but also don’t want to have to fight bosses multiple times just to figure out patterns. And anything above that is probably just gonna be a cake walk on NG. NG+, and NG+X ranges will differ obviously
I have the choices between a level 438 Str/faith on NG+ 4, a level 217Sorcery and a level 168 pure bleed build. The DLC is either going to be really easy or one of the hardest thing so have ever played.
Since ER DLC focuses on Miquella, it be cool if it did a progress check when ya finally come face to face w Miquella, and if ya killed Melania it unlocks and even crazier fight against Miquella (your summons attack you?)
And if you have not killed Melania, ya get something crazy?
I could be wrong, but in 1 of the interviews, didnt someone say there was a boss that would be equal to or possibly even harder than Melania?
I have a NG+ lv 200 (faith-int), lv 150 (int), and lv 100 (faith). I plan on taking the DLC really slow, savoring it, alternating between my three builds.
At RL 137, I believe you can invade levels 125 through 150. I think this will be my starting level for the dlc. Can't wait to invade in new areas with new weapons!
Which level you should be depends on your build, since some builds require more levels than others. But I agree with the person who said that whatever level you are at when beating Mohg is good.
I'm going first with a dex faith build just below 150. Depending on what kind of items I find in the dlc I have 3 other characters with various builds. Strength/Arcane bleed, Int/Faith spell caster, and a jacked level 365 dragon cultest. That last character is on ng+7
I have to 2 characters one that’s end game (beat all bosses optional & mandatory just haven’t chose an ending) & another that still has mohg, malenia, Radagon & Elden Beast! Both are around levels 120 so I believe I’ll tackle the expansion on reg new game first then ng plus right after so I can start with whichever cool new weapon I find & want to use from the dlc!
i have a doubt can i use dlc weapon outside the main game also?
As long as you own it I'm sure it will work fine.
@@nathonpond6079 thanks
yes.... why would they separate them lol
I have a strength 125 build I just defeated the EB on and didnt roll credits on because I thought they might give us a different ending... I guess I wont get a new ending but that is probably what I am going to do the DLC with. 125 felt decent enough on Mogh. I just hope fromsoft doesn't troll us all and you lose a questline or something if you kill Mogh lol
I'm gonna be about 360. So that way I can experience almost ALL of the DLC and weapons at max benefits in one go. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to play through it 8 times back to back. But when I do decide to come back to it, I'll know what is there, what Stats I'll need to use whatever I want to use. And I'll play through it naturally.
2:58 what weapon is that
I used to cap at 150 but after doing many invasions I’ve come to love 168. It’s the sweet spot imo. Enough to split into two main stats but not enough to be a master of all.
What im currently doing in preparation for the dlc is having 3 + different playthroughs ready. Each focused on a specific build. (dex/strength, faith/strength, intelligence/strength, etc). I get my character to around level 130 doing most major bosses except malenia, placidusax, and maliketh + everything that comes after him. So when I beat the dlc I can beat the rest of the base game with whatever I come out of the dlc with. Ensuring im prepared with lots of smithing stones and larval tears for whatever the dlc gives us. Although doing it this way has its downsides. Considering most of my final bosses are fire giant, godskin duo, and commander neil, is a bit unfortunate because those bosses suck imo. But it will be worth it for the dlc!
I’m going in with my first complete character which is lvl 129
I have a 125 for pvp a 150, 180, 205 and 305 so I’m good. I will use my high lvl for the first run so I can test weapons, figure out what I like then run my pvp build through for those said weapons.
im on ng+3 and level 210, is the dlc gonna be harder because is ng+3? or im gonna have to respect and place some points in some useless spec like arcane (ofc useless for my build)
I'm sitting right under 250, but I run minimum stats for using everything in the game so my health isn't crazy, nor is my endurance. I just like having my options. I need many more points in strength and intelligence to be able to use everything in the game so far.
While I stuck to meta 125-150 for 2 years, I recently brought my first character well above 200 and was very surprised to meet so many players at these levels in Coop. Actually I realized that 150-200 is TOTALLY DEAD but things pick back up after 200 for all the NG+ players.
I have 9 builds ready in-between 125-150. I have a magic build w dmgs. I have a str/faith build with crucible weapons. I have a lightning and fire build. A dex/ magic build a pure str build and a frost gravity build and a dexbuild. The last spot will be a str/arc or dex/arc build
I'm so set for the dlc, I'm doing a game ++ first, then play thru with a new character, I'm trying not to over think it, just have fun.
Fromsoft said that the ennemis from the dlc will be at your lvl, so you can be lvl 50 or 500 it change nothing.
it's a new type of leveling introduice in the dlc
it's a mechanic from sekiro
i'm at 188 right now, been grinding Tekken 8 a lot. I'll probably try to hit 200 before the DLC drops and just stay there throughout the DLC
I have characters at 80, 115, 125, and 130, probably will be playing my 125 build first, although pushing one of them to 150 is tempting for a tiny bit more build freedom! looking forward to experimenting with new weapons !
Its a very practical and flexible line, if you can beat Mohg and Radan your at the right level for you.
I just made a new build in preparation for the dlc, I'm going in as low level as I can possibly manage, I'm going to try around level 60 or so.