8:36- 8:38 anyone else saw how Savitar started kinda nodding his head and smiling because he realized that his plan to fool Barry was working that’s why after he hear about what 2024 flash told him about the time remnant he made up a fake story to go along with how all this came to be and what proves the time remnant thing is false is that when Barry’s remnant died in season 2 Barry the real Barry didn’t died to but when Barry lost his memory savitar did to also from s5ep 17 the two time sphere things both were affected when one thing happened to each other kinda like savitar and Barry but if they where time remnants Barry and savitar wouldn’t have both lost there memory proving that savitar and Barry are just different versions of them selfs from different times just like the time sphere things in s5 ep 17.
I know I'm just seeing this now but I knew something wasn't right when I watched that Barry was savitar and when they were talking but now I get it and if u think about it it's scary 😂
Season 1: main villan is an evil speedster who is secretly apart of team flash. Season 2: main villan is an evil speedster who is secretly apart of team flash. Season 3:main villan is an evil speedster who is secretly apart of team flash.
Mostly bad and repetitive content to see in the flash so they just put him in there with no explanation also some hoe not a time reminet and was future flash they he is but barely makes sense
Imagine if savitar was the future flash that disappeared when thawne killed Barry's mother and not being able to come home turned him bitter and he became savitar after Flashpoint seeing Barry ignore his sacrifice by creating another Flashpoint
I think that's exactly what it is, because in the event that Nora showed herself in season five ,the newspaper of her future says "25 years and flash still missing "the only possibility for that is that future flash is trapped in the speed force.
But that was because of the negative speed force if savitar was the original flash than he would have fooled everyone because he would've had red and yellow lightning not blue and white because that would've meant the original flash was basically hunter zolomon plus the real barry wouldn't have tried to kill iris
@@ChristianProtossDragoon read it slowly and you'll realize that im saying that thawne was in the speed force making it so he was saved but savitar was using the stuff zoom used so he(savitar) could go faster and seem like he was the original flash
My two biggest problems with the 'Savitar is a time remnant' thing are 1) that I cannot believe that team Flash would "shun" the time remnant. If you recall what the team said about Barry's time remnant in the season 2 finale it really doesn't make any sense. Besides, Barry and the time remnant would be the only ones who actually know which one the time remnant is since they are exactly the same. 2) If Savitar is a time remnant why would he ever reveal that to Barry. Just knowing that Savitar is a time remnant should keep Barry from ever creating a time remnant again, especially to fight Savitar.
Exactly on your points, for some reason Savitar bring future Barry makes more sense than the show making him a time remnant, plus why wouldn’t the Barry in 2024 tell present day Barry who savitar is if he knew, Barry in the video says that them having the conversation and knowing savitar identity is changing the future but savitar replies with saying “are we” meaning that knowing his identity always happened.
@@MinecraftJimmy7951 Yes, I always thought 2024-Barry not telling present Barry who Savitar is was weird. I cannot believe that he didn't know after 7 years of fighting Savitar.
Except Barry has proven to shun people Barry explicitly told HR he had better make himself useful or else leave And then Barry pushed Wally out of team Flash, because he was seeing visions of Savitar
What happened was Barry viewed into the future and watched Iris die. His belief in this future caused a new timeline to be created, the one with Savitar. The future Savitar realizes that his future is only a singular possibility, so he goes back and attempts to make his future a reality. He has memories of a possible Barry, one that went through the trauma of Iris dying. This is why he has such shock when it was H.R. that died, because to him that never happened. Barry's view into the future caused Savitar to exist, because Barry was pulled out before the H.R reveal.
I always thought Savitar was the time remnant that “killed himself” during the race that ended Zoom. Instead of dying he was forced to watch his mother die until it broke him and he becomes evil
Honestly, this whole season (3) is just packed with confusion. Savitar reveals that Barry hasn't fought DeVoe yet but in this timeline Barry by 2024 all but gave up on being a hero. So are they really saying that even after Iris died that broken version of Barry beat DeVoe while also tracking and fighting Savitar? Yeah, idk. Plus, a scene from season 5 that gets overlooked, kind of matches this theory. When Barry and Nora do the time hack and visit Thawne, Thawne says basically that it's funny that Barry hates him when: "a version of him is Savitar". He didn't say duplicate or time remnant, he said "version" interesting word choice.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon i dont get it , if the future barry when barry visited 2024 was different then When was the Savitar from if he werent a time remnant???
Did anyone else hear future Barry say “mostly” to young Barry when he was explaining that Barry would do anything to save iris, even make times remnants. Future Barry says “You will even creat time remnants of yourself and Savitar will kil them all mostly”
I think that the "future" barry the long haired one is actually the time remnant and everything was like savitar told us but the twist was that the long hair dude(aka real time remnant) made everyone belive that he is the actuall barry and when the reall barry was rejected he felt devastated and belived that he is time remnant and he fought the long hair barry and he made him that scar so he can never convice others that he is barry so he wanted to destroy the long haired dude becoude like he said he has his memmories and feelings
@@sebastiancsoka2252 now if that was true the time remnant would disappear when iris killed real Barry cause he was the original so I don’t think that makes much sense
To me the mostly part sounded a little hurried like he almost forgot to say that little part, then rembered the whole savitar "is a time remenant" and quickly added it to it, to hint to present Barry that savitar is a remenant and the surviver
Except Barry of 2024 was a real person The pizza face time remnant of Barry was being fed memories of his creator (2024) and his younger version (2017)
Theory time: maybe there’s not actually a loop. And savitar was never supposed to be Barry in the first place.. So let me lay out the timeline... After Barry did flashpoint, he tried going back in time to fix things, but by doing that, the speedforce put him in a timeline where savitar exists. Savitar kills iris in this timeline, and then Barry creates time remnants to defeat savitar. - evil Barry Time remnant (savitar) is created by Barry - time remnant becomes evil after iris is killed, and becomes savitar after team flash shuns him for not being the real flash. Savitar (evil Barry) creates the suit himself, or convinces someone else to make it - this newly created savitar then decides to attack team flash In the future, at this point there’s probably 2 savitars. One that killed iris, and another that’s Barry’s time remnant. - Both savitars get trapped in the speedforce. - the first savitar decides to go mess with team flash (this is the CGI savitar from the first half of season 3) and barritar waits for Wally to get fast enough so he can switch places with him, the first savitar decides to say “F*** this shit I’m out” and is never to be seen again. And then barritar, thought he would’ve succeeded the whole time because he thought it was a closed loop, he thought he was the real savitar.... The original savitar probably wasn’t even Barry, and he was an actual god from the speedforce, there to teach Barry a lesson. Or punish him for flashpoint Anyways that’s my theory
Or what if savitar was never a thing. Notice how the articles byline changes for iris west Allan to a random other name. Now take that in, that happens because of flashpoint. What if savitar was created by flashpoint. I mean like what if savitar is actually just a lesson from the speed force to Barry. And also noticed how 3 seasons straight it’s about speedster. What if these speedsters were lessons to Barry about “don’t mess with us” now savitar in different timelines such as the OG Barry maybe never existed and was only created through flashpoint. And I mean flashpoint created Wally aka kid flash. So maybe it created savitar too. And plus what would have happened if Barry never created flashpoint?
I have been leaning towards there being 2 Savitars, 1 real and other an imposter. Future Barry was am imposter who at some point encountered Savitar, thats where he got the idea from and took his image. Likely, being trapped in the speedforce. There is one scene with Jay Garrick who says he has heard stories about Savitar but no one has ever seen him. So that casts doubt at Future Barry being Savitar. But Barry early encounter with Savitar where no one could see who was attacking Barry. I think that was the real Savitar, moving so fast you couldnt see him. Every encounter with Savitar there after was future Barry. The fighting styles and movements were different. How was Savitar able to cloak himself to begin with but unable to do so afterwards, unless there were 2 Savitars. Having beaten barry, the real savitar had no other reason to remain so moved on and thats when the fake Savitar steps in. I think there might be a reason for the real savitar to return in season 7. Maybe this is point where savitar gets create when Barry repairs or recreates the speed force. Maybe this is the time the idea of savitar gets imprinted in his mind. And maybe its in this future where Barry turns. After all, there was that message/recording saying (paraphrasing) 'dont trust anyone, especially me'
No no no, that's not how timer remenants work. example: 6:00pm Zoom traveles back in time 2 mins to 5:58pm. Now there are 2 Zooms. They work together for a minute then 6:00 pm (future) Zoom kills his younger self (5:58pm Zoom) but does not dissapear. Speedsters can actually kill their younger selves without fading away like Marty McFly. This was well established in season 2 with Zoom/fake Jay Garrick.
One important scene when they’re both at star labs is. When future flash says “it was me that married you, it was me that proposed etc..” I think that’s very important to note for your theory which I believe is true.
@Cristian Milito it’s more than a clone/copy, they are a just as real as the current version. a time remnant is another version of a speedster from a fractured timeline meaning that they are remains of a timeline that no longer exists. The only reason why a time remnant has a speedsters thoughts or memories is because that speedster went only a seconds in the past, which is why they said a time remnant is LIKE a duplicate/copy
This theory is a perfect example of how your worst enemy is yourself. Savitar is an even worse villain than the Reverse-Flash (Eobard Thawne) which is ironic because Thawne is the reverse of Barry but Savitar is still a greater enemy and threat to Barry.
Wow... I never actually thought about this. And this actually makes sense given what they've said to each other. Honestly, I've sorta lost track of all the changes to the timeline at this point, and I'm starting to think the people writing the show don't know either anymore.
Savitar is barry from the future, Savitar kills iris and barry gets driven into the dark so much he becomes Savitar and kills iris, and it is an entire loop but the timeline changed and barry decided he will never become Savitar so future barry/Savitar gets erased from existence and it took a few hours for him to get erased from existence because there was still a chance for barry to become Savitar one day
This theory is very good and i think it’s true also what i think is that savitar is the barry that fought thawne on the day when his mom died, in s2 we saw that the original timeline barry saw barry and let him know to not save his mum than the original timeline disappeared in the speedforce but like savitar said “you decided to play God and created flashpoint” as he said that that must mean he was the original timeline barry
What if when future flash said Irish would die he didn't mean that day maybe it happened some other time and savitar disappearing is just a part of the cycle
To explain the theory where you say that “Time remnants are supposed to be unaffected by timeline changes as shown when zoom killed his own time remnants, yet future flash is being affected” Because future flash is a time remnants of the future he still has the memories of Barry Allen before he was created into a time remnant, only when his made into a time remnants does he experience different memories from Barry’s due to different experiences and different decisions being made, but if a time remnants goes back in time to to a period before he’s made into a time remnants he will have the memories of the original because he was the original before he was created into a time remnant, if that makes any sense 😅!
@@ChristianProtossDragoon but because Barry hasn’t created any time remnants in the current timeline, we know that it must be from the future, the evidence that this time remnant is from the future, is he has the memories that the current Barry has, he can only have his memories of the present Barry because at that moment in time he was Barry! Only when he becomes a time remnant does he not have Barry’s memories!
@@ChristianProtossDragoon changes occurring in their present yes, once a time remnant is made the decisions made by the original do not affect it, their minds are not intertwined the fore they do not share memories, however you fail to see that the past of the original, is the same past of the time remnants, that’s why Savitar could remember the trip Barry had with his parents! They share the same experiences up to the point the time remnant is created. They share the same memories up to the point the time remnant is created. That’s why Savitars memories altered whenever Barry made a different decision, because at that moment Barry was him, until he created the time remnant in the future which was shunned and everything! It’s a hard concept to grasp! I can see that you don’t understand! I understand your saying that a time remnant and an original do not share thoughts and experiences in in time develop different memories, however before the time remnant is created the time remnant and the original were one, which means they share the same past! And in the case of Savitar, Savitar has Barry’s memories because that Barry was both the original Barry and Savitar at the same time up until the Original Barry created a time remnant which developed into Savitar! It’s a hard concept to grasp but I totally getwhere your coming from!
3:55. If you listen to what Future Barry says, it’s that “he (Savitar) killed them all mostly” which seems to me like he’s saying “yeah one lived, but he’s too unimportant to talk about”
@@ChristianProtossDragoon Confused? It answers the question about not being able to dodge the bullet. And if you notice how significantly slower Future Flash is without the suit vs The Flash, one possible opinion is lost the connection to the speed force. Every season, there are episodes that set up future plot lines or at least sow the seeds. Is this a foreshadowing that was missed by people?
It makes sense that original timeline Barry got jealous and angry that his iris died but the other Barry's didn't so he set on a mission to kill all iris's
@@ChristianProtossDragoon but what if savitar was actually a time remnant,so when he kills iris barry can save her by not creating any remnants.but here is a thing,the show is confusing and sometimes changes in the future doesn't change the past.like when eddie shot himself(thawne should have never existed)and then by doing that barrys mother never dies,he probably doesn't even become the flash,so there wouldn't be a reverse flash anyway (Ik it is all confusing but whatever)
I’m just going to add a fact to this theory but there is a comic that is just like this season of flash and it’s the comic book story that covers barry missing sooo many tradgies like iris being put into a wheelchair, snart’s passing and so many others. So he goes back in time and does whatever it takes to heal the speed force and to experience everything he lost
Barry can’t be a time remnant because he is actively acquiring new memories. The Barry we see is living in a post flashpoint timeline, meaning he isn’t even from this time period. And this remnant is claiming to be created post flashpoint, by a different Barry all together? Weird.
here is what happened so no one is confused. There were 2 savitars in this loop. Lets call them Savitar 1 and 2. 1. Savitar 1 kills iris in 2017. 2. Barry makes time remnant to fight Savitar 1. 3. Savitar 1 doesnt kill the time remnant aka Savitar 2. 4. Savitar 1 after the event of time remnant is freed from the loop and doesnt bother with barry or team flash ever again.( since there cant be 2 savitars at the same time) 5. Time remnant sometime later is shunned by team flash and barry and goes back in time to become savitar 2.( This event continues the loop) 6. Savitar 2 returns to 2020 to get revenge of being shunned and kill everyone and barry traps him in the speedforce. This is the important part --> Future Barry thinks he trapped the Savitar 1 that killed Iris but instead he trapped Savitar 2 before he killed Iris(because Savitar 1 never bothered with team flash again). This is the cycle until h.r breaks it.
@@erenchilling in wiki it has the explanation but basically an early version of savitar in 2020 gets trapped after being shunned by everyone rather than 2017 savitar that somehow in the future never appears after he killed iris
I know he is not a time remnant but the future berry, after iris's death i strongly believe that he went into the speed force after his wife death so that he can forget the pain and that's when the orb showed up in the speed force because that berry already threw it in the speed force, the orb finds it's host by going after the one with no or little will power and who is perfect but a speedster widower.
4:09 Savitar *"God feels no pain"* Season 6 speed force a god die Season 7 speed force a god almost die and suffer so long so....... God feels pain Savitar 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have a feeling you are correct @Dark Web. Very good theory and proof behind it on why it might be true. Tbh, I think Savatar will come back because if he saw what Barry always did in season 3, wouldn't he have saw his future self traveling to the past to that point where they face off? I think Savatar goes back in time or to the future to face off Barry after he finds out that he time traveled to the past in season 5. I'm probably wrong though.
It's the one the only first hahahaha no seriously thanks reverse fuhrer for the shout out to me I am eternally thankful by ur willingness and hospitality to directly reference and show me on ur repost of savitar not a time remnant it's the first time in my life I got a special shout out by a youTuber I sorta feel like mcu spidey reacting to ant man when goes giant and spidey was like Holy shit!!!!!!!???????!!!!???? 😁😊😀😆😅😂🤣 Also I'll spread ur name so viewers will know u genius theories and work on ur content sooo good luck man and may the speed force be with u 😊😁😋
To be honest, it was the ethical thing to do. You are the one who suggested to me to repost it. Honestly, I thought it would get blocked given the new harsh rules of TH-cam, and I was kinda hesitant on re-uploading it. This stuff takes hours of dedication and work. But I decided to listen to "my fans" and gave it a try.
well I mean he kind of is, two Barrys existing in the same point in time for a long period might make it an aberration. that or he's just saying that they didn't accept him
And some dare to say that season 3 is not greatest i have watched this moment like 39 times and i realize new things everytime this is rule of movies: if u give theorists place and theoris to think about ur doomed for succes
It makes perfect sense now! Future Flash was never shunned by his team it was the other way around! Because he was in too much pain after Iris died so he created Savitar in order to end it
I thought savitar was created by flashpoint. And can someone tell me a theory of how events would alter if Barry never created flashpoint in 2016 {season 2}
I love this idea and am glad a video was made on it but I am sticking by the time remnant theory as described by savitar. The Barry forgets means Savitar forgets episode can be explained by the fact Savitar is a time remnant of a FUTURE version of barry (specifically right before savitar kills iris, something that would happen near the very end of season 3) so a divergence of minds has yet to take place. The savitar we see really once was the Barry we know and love of the vast majority of season 3. That is not a massive loop hole as this video claims. An out of universe explanation: it would really be sucky of the writers to write based on the theory of this video and never ever mention it only hinting on it, just call season 3 a wrap and forget about it lol. I am willing to believe that is possible but I hate it. I did just watch the video so I will sleep on it and watch it again tomorrow more closely, maybe rewatch season 3 idk, see how I feel. Savitar is my favorite villian out of the first six seasons so far.
thank you for making this villian with theory i believe in it makes actual perfect sense + underrated 2024 barry and savitar barry great acting but he's underused as 2024/savitar barry
Nah it is a remnant,even the original future flash would be older than savatar, that barry was only shown in season 1. Plus at that, savatar was created when a time remnant of the future flash went through time to kill iris, creating a vicious cycle that wasn't supposed to end.
Sort of a managed expectations? It is kinda expected that our parents would die before us, while women tend to live longer than man so normally one would not expect to see his wife's death
I have two theories how Savitar turned evil. Theory 1: if you kill your time remnant or any version of yourself you become evil, because he said "if you kill me, you become me, either way I live". Theory 2: When in DC's Legends of Tomorrow when The Legion of Doom alters Rip's memories, emotions and feelings towards the legends, what if Savitar did that to this Flash to turn him Evil. It's all really confusing at this point, I don't know if he is a Time Remnant or the OG version of Barry Allen.
You are onto something, savatar is lead by hatred opposed to flash, by love. When savatar kills either iris, he remains left in time nonstop to repeat it for the next past attempt, but when a past version of himself kills the remnant, that version of barry currupts and follows the remnants footsteps, though savatar is a remnant, not the original because a future of him used him as a remnant and as it was probably his first time using a remnant he had no idea he was supposed to deliver it to its og state or kill it, that allowed the remnant to kill iris to guarantee time wouldnt erase it.
Wait on hold up remember in season 5 where thawne initial plan was to be set free after being held against his own will for another 15 years? Ok so when the past Barry Allan destroyed the dagger to save his daughter which, then concluded into killing her instead cause of the new timeline setting in blah blah blah, I digress. The point is if like how destroying the dagger in the past sets thawne free in the future. Then if 2017 Barry beats savitar earlier then 2024 Barry. Then doesn’t that change the future for 2024 Barry, doesn’t iris come back to life? Or does iris like Ralph dibney said {R.I.P} do all the metas get unkilled?
In season 4 or in Season 5 Flash and his daughter went back in time to see the fight take place between Savitar and Flash. And the Daughter saw her mom shoot Savitar . I think only reason why Iris did it was the feeling of instinct at the right time. Though Flash and Flashes Daughter grabbed part of Savitars armor and went back to the present time before it dissapeared . Savitar is the Future of Barry Allen . But Flash somehow got lucky to defeat Savitar. So the Question is what would happen if Savitar actually did manage to succeed and did become a god? How would that affect the other Heros and Villians?
In the moment that Savitar(Future Flash) said he needed 2 things 1. For Iris' to "die" so he can be born but did not tell the second he said he rather keep that one to himself so I was having a hypothesis Savitar(Future Flash) made a speed mirage of himself to fight with past version flash so he can destroy his armor and let Iris' kill him at the end because he already knew that season 5 flash with his daughter Nora would get the piece of his suit for cicada. So The Original Savitar (Future Flash) had already went to his own timeline and he had no third choice to manipulate season 3 Barry to protect the space time continium, just like Alternate Future Barry did.
I have a 2nd theory what if what 2024 Barry was saying about making time remnants was real what if the Barry in the time vault is the time remnant and the original is the actual savitar this probably ins’t true but when 2024 Barry says “you will go back you will do everything you can think of to save her and blah blah blah and you’ll even create time remnants but he’ll kill them all mostly for some reason the way he says this kinda makes my feel like he’s referring to the original Barry doing this not himself and then he says “there will be nothing left at long but stopping savitar but one day you’ll lock him in the speed force forever but at that point everything you’ve loved is gone but this is we’re it made me think that this is actually the time remnant after that he says INCLUDING YOU like why would he say including you if that time remnant knows that the original Barry when back to the past to become savitar and the time remnant is left to vanish in crisis mouths later see wear I’m getting at here I just feel like he’s not telling the events of what happened in 1st person but it’s also tricky if there remnants involved 3:33 then savitar after hearing what 2024 Barry told him flipped the story and told him what happened to the time remnant that’s why he’s nodding his head kinda in his mind kinda saying like yeah the story checks out now now that savitar knows that Barry thinks that he killed the time remnants savitar backs up the story and tells Barry what they did to the time remnant see how savitars perspective is be flipped that probably didn’t make any sense but what ever. 6:59 -7:04 including you why would he add that. And would that mess up the time line with him saying all that’s or because he’s a remnant it would matter ??
There’s another thing to notice, if you watch the scene of both past and future Barry talking past Barry is wearing red and future Barry is wearing dark clothes.
There is another piece of evidence for this theory in S5 E17. Team Flash stumbles across two time spheres, and they scratch one, which produces a scratch on the duplicate... which reinforces the idea that Savitar and Barry are the same person, just from different times.
Dawg this was my recommended and I watched and was like uhhhh “are you NOT caught up and you’re doing theories on the internet when people already know” and saw the date and I was like nvm😭😭
theory: he was created when barry raced against zoom but instead of dying in flashpoint he was alive when barry fixed flashpoint and thats why his face looks like you just took a shit on it at covered it in olive oil
How do you explain Savitar telling Barry that Barry locked him in the Speedforce Prison, and the prison was made by Tracy, do you remember a Tracy in season 2?! The race remnant wasnt put in a speed force prison as none existed yet These theories make me 😂😂 😂 😂
Ik im 2 years late but if we did go off this would this mean Savitar is the real future flash and the emo future flash is the time remnant so savitar could probably be made again
The thing wrong about this is that a time remnant is still the original except just gone back a second and stayed in that time with the version that was a second ago
I have a theory where is the og flash. When Barry was a kid the og flash when in the past to save Barry. Then when saviter kills iris he is driven in dark and becomes saviter so OG Barry is saviter
Another thing is future Barry (the one with long hair) where’s a blue jacket and a dark shirt while present day Barry where’s a red jacket and a light shirt this by itself is nothing but Savitar says “What can I say I outgrew red” and the shirts could represent one is evil the other is good another thing is SAVITAR HIMSELF says this is where we created the cerebral inhibitor so defeat devoe but that doesn’t make any sense he may have the memories of the present day Barry because that’s before he splits off into a remnant but if the team really shunned him would they even tell him about devoe and he says WE so no the timeline would not work but Savitar is connected to flashpoint the philosophers stone can bring back aspects of different timelines/earths there has to be a timeline where Barry stayed in flashpoint so if it can bring parts of either forgotten timelines or multiverse earths then I think Savitar was from the original timeline only to be washed out by Thawnes new timeline only to be brought back with flashpoint the timeline. And if you say that he might have forgotten these events there is 2 reasons he can remember when you are on another earth (for example 2) and a timeline changes on another earth(for example 1) the new timeline consumes earth one and the timeline you originally knew has a different earth so you are sheltered from timeline changes also Thawne has repeatedly used the speed force as a timeline change bunker to keep himself safe from timeline changes so the theory tracks
4:20 Actually, it makes sense, he means that he drives Barry so far into the dark for Barry to create time remnants, which he otherwise wouldn't do because of the risks regarding the time wraith and his rules about not messing with time anymore.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon True, he does it on a daily basis, but from what we saw with his fight with Zoom, creating a time remnant almost immediately take the attention of a time wraith, and that's a risk for himself
I think savitar isn’t a time remnant because when time remnants get erased by the time line their particles are red/orange and this is true because reverse flash in season 1 was erased and his particles where blue but his remnants where red/orange and in season 3 when savitar gets erased his particles are blue!
Luukas R can you explain a little bit more? The reverse flash can die, but he also has time remnants out in the time line (also maybe in different earths since earth x had reverse flash).
StoutAsh yes it was a time remnant, because ever since season 1 of the Cw Flash when the original reverse flash was wiped out of the timeline every reverse flash in all point of time became a time remnant because of the negative speedforce protecting the reverse flash. Season 2 Harry wells from earth 2 explains how he isn’t gone.
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8:36- 8:38 anyone else saw how Savitar started kinda nodding his head and smiling because he realized that his plan to fool Barry was working that’s why after he hear about what 2024 flash told him about the time remnant he made up a fake story to go along with how all this came to be and what proves the time remnant thing is false is that when Barry’s remnant died in season 2 Barry the real Barry didn’t died to but when Barry lost his memory savitar did to also from s5ep 17 the two time sphere things both were affected when one thing happened to each other kinda like savitar and Barry but if they where time remnants Barry and savitar wouldn’t have both lost there memory proving that savitar and Barry are just different versions of them selfs from different times just like the time sphere things in s5 ep 17.
I know I'm just seeing this now but I knew something wasn't right when I watched that Barry was savitar and when they were talking but now I get it and if u think about it it's scary 😂
It makes sense to me know I knew something was off just couldn't put my finger on it
Man there is a thing called commas and periods, makes it like 20x easier to read.
@@sunlessfiber5106 my bad 😂
@@GODSPEED-hl6pd all good, in the end you can type how you want
Iris: “I saved my boyfriend and my friends by killing my boyfriend.”
Lol
A tru
lol ands she's his wife not gf
@@The_Real_Mini They weren't married in season 3, they got married season 4
@@The_Real_Mini fiancé you mean
Season 1: main villan is an evil speedster who is secretly apart of team flash.
Season 2: main villan is an evil speedster who is secretly apart of team flash.
Season 3:main villan is an evil speedster who is secretly apart of team flash.
Reminds me if that one meme:
*Barry the first 3 seasons of the show*
"We know each other he's a friend from work"
Season 4: man sitting on a cool looking wheelchair almost brainwashes the whole world
*a part…
This theory is great, but I just stand by the fact that the writers just didn’t notice the plot holes they made
Hahahaha
Mostly bad and repetitive content to see in the flash so they just put him in there with no explanation also some hoe not a time reminet and was future flash they he is but barely makes sense
@@narnia8945 Kinda... lol
Yeah what this guy said. This is a TV show, don't expect inception level mind fuckery.
@@asmokingp3005 :)
plot twist: the writers just messed up
thb I couldn't agree more LOL
ahahahaha yup
No yall do not understand! Its a fail safe!
Yep
that's most likely what happened
I would’ve kept Savitar’s suit, harvest the materials and have Cisco make a better one.
Flashitar
This is how the hero becomes the villain.
@@CroakingBroking true true true I forgot all about that, but anyways if he did do it it's kinda letting Savitar win so good that Barry didn't give in
@@ChristianProtossDragoon Fla SHIT ar
@@tarakgamer5875 Yes, highly emphasizing on SHIT
its funny. when present day flash took over savitars suit the red looks alot scarier, cooler and more evil then the time remnants blue colour
yea
yea
Blue is better than Red
You said “time remnant” Even tho this whole video is about him not being a time remnant lol
@@Flameinafire lol😂😂😂
Imagine if savitar was the future flash that disappeared when thawne killed Barry's mother and not being able to come home turned him bitter and he became savitar after Flashpoint seeing Barry ignore his sacrifice by creating another Flashpoint
I think that's exactly what it is, because in the event that Nora showed herself in season five ,the newspaper of her future says "25 years and flash still missing "the only possibility for that is that future flash is trapped in the speed force.
@@cjayfrmbim1734 the speed force that’s dead?
@@isaacbolton8608 yeah but we are talking about before and even if this theory is true evil future flash is dead in season 3
Future original timeline berry lol
Damn imagine though
Now this makes sense because in season 1 when Eddie kills himself the change is almost instant but it took hours for the paradox to reach savitar
Exactly!
But that was because of the negative speed force if savitar was the original flash than he would have fooled everyone because he would've had red and yellow lightning not blue and white because that would've meant the original flash was basically hunter zolomon plus the real barry wouldn't have tried to kill iris
@@joeydaniels02 This entire argument makes no sense to me. Seems like a few different texts pasted into one. Lol
@@ChristianProtossDragoon read it slowly and you'll realize that im saying that thawne was in the speed force making it so he was saved but savitar was using the stuff zoom used so he(savitar) could go faster and seem like he was the original flash
@@joeydaniels02 reverse flash had the negative speed force too and it still happened instantly
My two biggest problems with the 'Savitar is a time remnant' thing are 1) that I cannot believe that team Flash would "shun" the time remnant. If you recall what the team said about Barry's time remnant in the season 2 finale it really doesn't make any sense. Besides, Barry and the time remnant would be the only ones who actually know which one the time remnant is since they are exactly the same. 2) If Savitar is a time remnant why would he ever reveal that to Barry. Just knowing that Savitar is a time remnant should keep Barry from ever creating a time remnant again, especially to fight Savitar.
Exactly on your points, for some reason Savitar bring future Barry makes more sense than the show making him a time remnant, plus why wouldn’t the Barry in 2024 tell present day Barry who savitar is if he knew, Barry in the video says that them having the conversation and knowing savitar identity is changing the future but savitar replies with saying “are we” meaning that knowing his identity always happened.
@@MinecraftJimmy7951 Yes, I always thought 2024-Barry not telling present Barry who Savitar is was weird. I cannot believe that he didn't know after 7 years of fighting Savitar.
@@MinecraftJimmy7951 but if savitar wasn't part of the timeline wouldn't the time master's from legends erase him from the timeline.
@@MinecraftJimmy7951 ? Future Barry states he didn't know who savitar was tho??
Except Barry has proven to shun people
Barry explicitly told HR he had better make himself useful or else leave
And then Barry pushed Wally out of team Flash, because he was seeing visions of Savitar
What happened was
Barry viewed into the future and watched Iris die. His belief in this future caused a new timeline to be created, the one with Savitar. The future Savitar realizes that his future is only a singular possibility, so he goes back and attempts to make his future a reality. He has memories of a possible Barry, one that went through the trauma of Iris dying. This is why he has such shock when it was H.R. that died, because to him that never happened. Barry's view into the future caused Savitar to exist, because Barry was pulled out before the H.R reveal.
:)
I always knew season three was more than what was ritten on the title
I can tell that you’re a dumbass because 1 you believe this dumb shit and 2 you can’t spell written right even with autocorrect
@@willtarnavlogs toxic much lmao
@@willtarnavlogs chill bro just a theory and a typo take a chill pill
@@hunter7606 He forgot to take his Viagra pills.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon yep
If I'm understanding correctly, you're saying future Barry goes from extreme sadness and depression to eventually giving in to bitterness and rage.
Yeah.
I always thought Savitar was the time remnant that “killed himself” during the race that ended Zoom. Instead of dying he was forced to watch his mother die until it broke him and he becomes evil
Nah.
Same here then I found out it wasn’t the case by rewatching the show. 😂
@@NiftyNamikaze same
Samr
Would've made more sense that way
Honestly, this whole season (3) is just packed with confusion. Savitar reveals that Barry hasn't fought DeVoe yet but in this timeline Barry by 2024 all but gave up on being a hero. So are they really saying that even after Iris died that broken version of Barry beat DeVoe while also tracking and fighting Savitar? Yeah, idk. Plus, a scene from season 5 that gets overlooked, kind of matches this theory. When Barry and Nora do the time hack and visit Thawne, Thawne says basically that it's funny that Barry hates him when: "a version of him is Savitar". He didn't say duplicate or time remnant, he said "version" interesting word choice.
:)
@@ChristianProtossDragoon i dont get it , if the future barry when barry visited 2024 was different then When was the Savitar from if he werent a time remnant???
Idk...
@@DarkAngelEl Poor writing honestly
bad writing on CW’s part tbh
Did anyone else hear future Barry say “mostly” to young Barry when he was explaining that Barry would do anything to save iris, even make times remnants. Future Barry says “You will even creat time remnants of yourself and Savitar will kil them all mostly”
Well he says something like that haha I know I got it wrong
@@invitingeagle4698 yeah he said mostly because the one time remanent that didnt die was future barry (a.k.a) savitar
I think that the "future" barry the long haired one is actually the time remnant and everything was like savitar told us but the twist was that the long hair dude(aka real time remnant) made everyone belive that he is the actuall barry and when the reall barry was rejected he felt devastated and belived that he is time remnant and he fought the long hair barry and he made him that scar so he can never convice others that he is barry so he wanted to destroy the long haired dude becoude like he said he has his memmories and feelings
@@sebastiancsoka2252 now if that was true the time remnant would disappear when iris killed real Barry cause he was the original so I don’t think that makes much sense
To me the mostly part sounded a little hurried like he almost forgot to say that little part, then rembered the whole savitar "is a time remenant" and quickly added it to it, to hint to present Barry that savitar is a remenant and the surviver
This is straight up just “Don’t trust anyone not even your self”😂
Kinda...
Time remnants can’t gain new memories from their PST selves like the 2024 Barry would have known he was coming if he was the real one
Except Barry of 2024 was a real person
The pizza face time remnant of Barry was being fed memories of his creator (2024) and his younger version (2017)
The reason why he is evil is because the west family rejected him so he felt alone and went back in time and was the "first speedster"
Ok.
I just don’t buy the fact that no onr would love him for being a time rement.
@@adammorin2955 The problem is there were 2 of them, the remnant and the original. + The fact that Iris is dead.
@@duyvan247 still wouldnt matter though but i guess
@@adammorin2955 It'd be kinda weird to have 2 of the same person.
But grant has great acting skills.
Theory time: maybe there’s not actually a loop. And savitar was never supposed to be Barry in the first place..
So let me lay out the timeline...
After Barry did flashpoint, he tried going back in time to fix things, but by doing that, the speedforce put him in a timeline where savitar exists. Savitar kills iris in this timeline, and then Barry creates time remnants to defeat savitar.
- evil Barry Time remnant (savitar) is created by Barry
- time remnant becomes evil after iris is killed, and becomes savitar after team flash shuns him for not being the real flash. Savitar (evil Barry) creates the suit himself, or convinces someone else to make it
- this newly created savitar then decides to attack team flash In the future, at this point there’s probably 2 savitars. One that killed iris, and another that’s Barry’s time remnant.
- Both savitars get trapped in the speedforce.
- the first savitar decides to go mess with team flash (this is the CGI savitar from the first half of season 3) and barritar waits for Wally to get fast enough so he can switch places with him, the first savitar decides to say “F*** this shit I’m out” and is never to be seen again. And then barritar, thought he would’ve succeeded the whole time because he thought it was a closed loop, he thought he was the real savitar....
The original savitar probably wasn’t even Barry, and he was an actual god from the speedforce, there to teach Barry a lesson. Or punish him for flashpoint
Anyways that’s my theory
Had that theory too.
Or what if savitar was never a thing. Notice how the articles byline changes for iris west Allan to a random other name. Now take that in, that happens because of flashpoint. What if savitar was created by flashpoint. I mean like what if savitar is actually just a lesson from the speed force to Barry. And also noticed how 3 seasons straight it’s about speedster. What if these speedsters were lessons to Barry about “don’t mess with us” now savitar in different timelines such as the OG Barry maybe never existed and was only created through flashpoint. And I mean flashpoint created Wally aka kid flash. So maybe it created savitar too. And plus what would have happened if Barry never created flashpoint?
@@ultrainstincts7555 Yes.
I have been leaning towards there being 2 Savitars, 1 real and other an imposter. Future Barry was am imposter who at some point encountered Savitar, thats where he got the idea from and took his image. Likely, being trapped in the speedforce. There is one scene with Jay Garrick who says he has heard stories about Savitar but no one has ever seen him. So that casts doubt at Future Barry being Savitar. But Barry early encounter with Savitar where no one could see who was attacking Barry. I think that was the real Savitar, moving so fast you couldnt see him. Every encounter with Savitar there after was future Barry. The fighting styles and movements were different. How was Savitar able to cloak himself to begin with but unable to do so afterwards, unless there were 2 Savitars. Having beaten barry, the real savitar had no other reason to remain so moved on and thats when the fake Savitar steps in.
I think there might be a reason for the real savitar to return in season 7. Maybe this is point where savitar gets create when Barry repairs or recreates the speed force. Maybe this is the time the idea of savitar gets imprinted in his mind. And maybe its in this future where Barry turns. After all, there was that message/recording saying (paraphrasing) 'dont trust anyone, especially me'
@@kodiak1984 Same.
Savitar can't kill his younger self because he will erase himself from existence so remnant makes more sense
He never wanted to kill Barry.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon he did threaten Barry to kill him but he might have been bluffing and u might be right so yeah
@@mishealnawaz521 :)
remnant makes sense bc anything the prime does or happens to him happens to the remnant
No no no, that's not how timer remenants work. example: 6:00pm Zoom traveles back in time 2 mins to 5:58pm. Now there are 2 Zooms. They work together for a minute then 6:00 pm (future) Zoom kills his younger self (5:58pm Zoom) but does not dissapear. Speedsters can actually kill their younger selves without fading away like Marty McFly. This was well established in season 2 with Zoom/fake Jay Garrick.
One important scene when they’re both at star labs is. When future flash says “it was me that married you, it was me that proposed etc..” I think that’s very important to note for your theory which I believe is true.
Thanks
Time remenents are the same.
Same Barry that lived all the years of his life
@Cristian Milito it’s more than a clone/copy, they are a just as real as the current version. a time remnant is another version of a speedster from a fractured timeline meaning that they are remains of a timeline that no longer exists. The only reason why a time remnant has a speedsters thoughts or memories is because that speedster went only a seconds in the past, which is why they said a time remnant is LIKE a duplicate/copy
I’m say it again why didn’t Barry get the savatar suit
Update: why didn’t savatar just say “I’m the future...... *smiles* Flash”
Hahahaha
Because barry would kill himself and savitar dead
This is the highest of all the comments I’ve made
Because it was destroyed when time caught up
Holy moly this this crazy amount of likes thanks
This theory is a perfect example of how your worst enemy is yourself. Savitar is an even worse villain than the Reverse-Flash (Eobard Thawne) which is ironic because Thawne is the reverse of Barry but Savitar is still a greater enemy and threat to Barry.
Yup.
Yh
@@yagayeetbruh8174 :)
S3 is a masterpiece now! As much as I didn't like the time remanent thing it's better than what we're getting now
Guys notice how Savitar doesn’t mention Caitlin or KF when he talks about the people who shun him, maybe that’s why he worked with KF
More reason for SnowBarry to happen!
Who is KF
@@jorgestudios441 Kentucky fired(chicken)
@@jth1954 lol
@@jorgestudios441 Killer Frost
I can't get over the fact that Barry somehow became evil.
Yeah.
I forgot about that😪
Which means Thawne was right when he said "Now whos the villain Flash? now whos the villain?" he already knew about Savitar
Wow... I never actually thought about this. And this actually makes sense given what they've said to each other. Honestly, I've sorta lost track of all the changes to the timeline at this point, and I'm starting to think the people writing the show don't know either anymore.
Even DaVinci's Code is easier to decipher. 😅😅😄
That's the thing about time travel the more you do it the less the rules apply to you
@@theoutsiderjess1869 You can say that about rape.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon no
@@theoutsiderjess1869 hahahaha
Savitar is barry from the future, Savitar kills iris and barry gets driven into the dark so much he becomes Savitar and kills iris, and it is an entire loop but the timeline changed and barry decided he will never become Savitar so future barry/Savitar gets erased from existence and it took a few hours for him to get erased from existence because there was still a chance for barry to become Savitar one day
This one always bugged me but you made it clear!
You are welcome! 😀😁
@@ChristianProtossDragoon Definetely didn't make it clear, more confusing honestly but whatever.
@@KW-wr3xv Ok. Lol
Yeah, I like it, he is an evil future flash born past crisis disappearence of the flash.
Yup.
When iris kills savitar. Idont get how she was able to see how fast he was getting up to aim and shoot him.
He was not using his speed.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon it show the lightening though when he is getting up. its in slowmotion but yeah it show the lightening.
@@FreestyleWrittenTV Well it was slow motion everything.
m0k0hh speedsters have lightening around them when they need energy
@@thepurpleneighbor1816 still dont explain how she was able to aim and shoot a speedster while he's running.
3:30.
“All but one. Me”. i would asume he is talking about how he kept the actual barry alive.
This theory is very good and i think it’s true also what i think is that savitar is the barry that fought thawne on the day when his mom died, in s2 we saw that the original timeline barry saw barry and let him know to not save his mum than the original timeline disappeared in the speedforce but like savitar said “you decided to play God and created flashpoint” as he said that that must mean he was the original timeline barry
Happy to see my video still has relevancy even after 2 years. lmao
@@ChristianProtossDragoon actually 4 years later
Yeah
@@ChristianProtossDragoon this theory is still imo the best for pre-crisis savitar's origin
Did sth change post Crisis?
Now I know why S3 hurt my head so much
What if when future flash said Irish would die he didn't mean that day maybe it happened some other time and savitar disappearing is just a part of the cycle
Irish. 😂😂😂
@@ChristianProtossDragoon lol
@@yobama6052 Still Irish. 🤣
@@ChristianProtossDragoon it’s iris
@@sinistxrfn3644 He typed Irish?
i still dont know how she killed him. There is so many plot holes but hey it was cool.
Yeah. 🤣
To explain the theory where you say that “Time remnants are supposed to be unaffected by timeline changes as shown when zoom killed his own time remnants, yet future flash is being affected”
Because future flash is a time remnants of the future he still has the memories of Barry Allen before he was created into a time remnant, only when his made into a time remnants does he experience different memories from Barry’s due to different experiences and different decisions being made, but if a time remnants goes back in time to to a period before he’s made into a time remnants he will have the memories of the original because he was the original before he was created into a time remnant, if that makes any sense 😅!
Not true. You have no information how long from the timeline the remnant is from. Could be a day, could be 2 months, 2 years etc
@@ChristianProtossDragoon but because Barry hasn’t created any time remnants in the current timeline, we know that it must be from the future, the evidence that this time remnant is from the future, is he has the memories that the current Barry has, he can only have his memories of the present Barry because at that moment in time he was Barry! Only when he becomes a time remnant does he not have Barry’s memories!
@@Manny_G_10 TR are anomalies unaffected by changes regardless when they were formed.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon changes occurring in their present yes, once a time remnant is made the decisions made by the original do not affect it, their minds are not intertwined the fore they do not share memories, however you fail to see that the past of the original, is the same past of the time remnants, that’s why Savitar could remember the trip Barry had with his parents! They share the same experiences up to the point the time remnant is created. They share the same memories up to the point the time remnant is created. That’s why Savitars memories altered whenever Barry made a different decision, because at that moment Barry was him, until he created the time remnant in the future which was shunned and everything! It’s a hard concept to grasp! I can see that you don’t understand! I understand your saying that a time remnant and an original do not share thoughts and experiences in in time develop different memories, however before the time remnant is created the time remnant and the original were one, which means they share the same past! And in the case of Savitar, Savitar has Barry’s memories because that Barry was both the original Barry and Savitar at the same time up until the Original Barry created a time remnant which developed into Savitar! It’s a hard concept to grasp but I totally getwhere your coming from!
@@Manny_G_10 And you do not know how far from the stream the remnant is.
3:55. If you listen to what Future Barry says, it’s that “he (Savitar) killed them all mostly” which seems to me like he’s saying “yeah one lived, but he’s too unimportant to talk about”
What is your point?
Savitar isn’t the original Barry because the time remenet thing isn’t a lie
@David Monreeuz :)
@David Monreeuz Won't rule that out.
s1 few episodes in speed calculation: Barry catches a bullet behind his neck. s3 Savitar speed calculation: Doesnt catch the bullet.
Seems Future Flash was not in speed mode.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon Looks like future flash is no longer connected to the speed force
@@kodiak1984 what?
@@ChristianProtossDragoon Confused? It answers the question about not being able to dodge the bullet. And if you notice how significantly slower Future Flash is without the suit vs The Flash, one possible opinion is lost the connection to the speed force. Every season, there are episodes that set up future plot lines or at least sow the seeds. Is this a foreshadowing that was missed by people?
@@kodiak1984 No, man. I stopped watching The Flash since s3.
It makes sense that original timeline Barry got jealous and angry that his iris died but the other Barry's didn't so he set on a mission to kill all iris's
Every time i think i have some sort of understanding, i just get completely confused again and realize that i don't understand anything lol
Same.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon but what if savitar was actually a time remnant,so when he kills iris barry can save her by not creating any remnants.but here is a thing,the show is confusing and sometimes changes in the future doesn't change the past.like when eddie shot himself(thawne should have never existed)and then by doing that barrys mother never dies,he probably doesn't even become the flash,so there wouldn't be a reverse flash anyway
(Ik it is all confusing but whatever)
@@drlemon4806 Idk... I feel making him a Time Remnant undermines Barry's character. Like it's not Barry anymore.
@@ChristianProtossDragoon very confusing show ngl
@@drlemon4806 That is why I am creating my own series.
I’m just going to add a fact to this theory but there is a comic that is just like this season of flash and it’s the comic book story that covers barry missing sooo many tradgies like iris being put into a wheelchair, snart’s passing and so many others. So he goes back in time and does whatever it takes to heal the speed force and to experience everything he lost
Barry can’t be a time remnant because he is actively acquiring new memories. The Barry we see is living in a post flashpoint timeline, meaning he isn’t even from this time period. And this remnant is claiming to be created post flashpoint, by a different Barry all together? Weird.
Yes.
The Flash's plot is like answering a question with 2 more questions
Yes.
here is what happened so no one is confused. There were 2 savitars in this loop. Lets call them Savitar 1 and 2.
1. Savitar 1 kills iris in 2017.
2. Barry makes time remnant to fight Savitar 1.
3. Savitar 1 doesnt kill the time remnant aka Savitar 2.
4. Savitar 1 after the event of time remnant is freed from the loop and doesnt bother with barry or team flash ever again.( since there cant be 2 savitars at the same time)
5. Time remnant sometime later is shunned by team flash and barry and goes back in time to become savitar 2.( This event continues the loop)
6. Savitar 2 returns to 2020 to get revenge of being shunned and kill everyone and barry traps him in the speedforce.
This is the important part --> Future Barry thinks he trapped the Savitar 1 that killed Iris but instead he trapped Savitar 2 before he killed Iris(because Savitar 1 never bothered with team flash again).
This is the cycle until h.r breaks it.
You got that from Reddit, right? :D
This theory makes no sense 💀
@@erenchilling in wiki it has the explanation but basically an early version of savitar in 2020 gets trapped after being shunned by everyone rather than 2017 savitar that somehow in the future never appears after he killed iris
Bro who else was suprised when you were me line I was like 😱
Not me. 🤣🤣🤣
I know he is not a time remnant but the future berry, after iris's death i strongly believe that he went into the speed force after his wife death so that he can forget the pain and that's when the orb showed up in the speed force because that berry already threw it in the speed force, the orb finds it's host by going after the one with no or little will power and who is perfect but a speedster widower.
Maybe
4:09
Savitar *"God feels no pain"*
Season 6 speed force a god die
Season 7 speed force a god almost die and suffer so long so....... God feels pain Savitar 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah.
I have a feeling you are correct @Dark Web. Very good theory and proof behind it on why it might be true. Tbh, I think Savatar will come back because if he saw what Barry always did in season 3, wouldn't he have saw his future self traveling to the past to that point where they face off? I think Savatar goes back in time or to the future to face off Barry after he finds out that he time traveled to the past in season 5. I'm probably wrong though.
Thanks.
It's the one the only first hahahaha no seriously thanks reverse fuhrer for the shout out to me I am eternally thankful by ur willingness and hospitality to directly reference and show me on ur repost of savitar not a time remnant it's the first time in my life I got a special shout out by a youTuber I sorta feel like mcu spidey reacting to ant man when goes giant and spidey was like Holy shit!!!!!!!???????!!!!???? 😁😊😀😆😅😂🤣 Also I'll spread ur name so viewers will know u genius theories and work on ur content sooo good luck man and may the speed force be with u 😊😁😋
To be honest, it was the ethical thing to do.
You are the one who suggested to me to repost it. Honestly, I thought it would get blocked given the new harsh rules of TH-cam, and I was kinda hesitant on re-uploading it. This stuff takes hours of dedication and work.
But I decided to listen to "my fans" and gave it a try.
Don't forget to check my other videos too.
Can you explain how savitar is the new 52 future flash
@@b.i.arichy7033 I will look into it.
W
I actually think that the future Barry from 2024 is actually a time remnant of savitar Barry
You know how in season 1 the reverse flash says in the future we’re enemy’s what if savatar is what he was talking about
Too far fetched. 🤣🤣
@@ruthunandsharmith1082 He should leave the stretching to Ralph.
Since bery changed the future the future flash never existed that's when the time paradox cought up to him making him disappear.
this actually makes the story make so much more sense.
Thanks.
btw he didnt call himself "Future Flash" he just called himself "Future"
so basically what he said was "I am the Future, Flash."
Savitar said he was a aberration. Does it mean he is a time aberration
well I mean he kind of is, two Barrys existing in the same point in time for a long period might make it an aberration. that or he's just saying that they didn't accept him
@@Kelso_Belso what does abberation mean
@@mohamedarshad9753 no u
Yes
what the hell that makes soo much sense actually, never thought about it. if thats true i feel soo sad for future flash.. amazing video man
Thanks.
And some dare to say that season 3 is not greatest i have watched this moment like 39 times and i realize new things everytime
this is rule of movies: if u give theorists place and theoris to think about ur doomed for succes
True 😂😂😂
its good but not the greatest?
Bro went thru one heartbreak and decided to become a literal supervillain lmao
It makes perfect sense now! Future Flash was never shunned by his team it was the other way around! Because he was in too much pain after Iris died so he created Savitar in order to end it
Yup.
Perfect sense now
I thought savitar was created by flashpoint. And can someone tell me a theory of how events would alter if Barry never created flashpoint in 2016 {season 2}
Makes sense
I love this idea and am glad a video was made on it but I am sticking by the time remnant theory as described by savitar. The Barry forgets means Savitar forgets episode can be explained by the fact Savitar is a time remnant of a FUTURE version of barry (specifically right before savitar kills iris, something that would happen near the very end of season 3) so a divergence of minds has yet to take place. The savitar we see really once was the Barry we know and love of the vast majority of season 3. That is not a massive loop hole as this video claims. An out of universe explanation: it would really be sucky of the writers to write based on the theory of this video and never ever mention it only hinting on it, just call season 3 a wrap and forget about it lol. I am willing to believe that is possible but I hate it. I did just watch the video so I will sleep on it and watch it again tomorrow more closely, maybe rewatch season 3 idk, see how I feel. Savitar is my favorite villian out of the first six seasons so far.
thank you for making this villian with theory i believe in it makes actual perfect sense + underrated 2024 barry and savitar barry great acting but he's underused as 2024/savitar barry
You know... I actually still post DC stuff.
9:48 what he meant by "You kill me, you become me" was that if he killed Savitar, he would become a cold-blooded killer *like Savitar* .
I agree. It wasn’t a remnant, it was actually Barry gone bad. I felt this as I watched the season the first time 👏👏👏
Exactly.
This was amazing, I kinda thought it was original future Barry and not a time remnant but still wasn’t sure
Nah it is a remnant,even the original future flash would be older than savatar, that barry was only shown in season 1. Plus at that, savatar was created when a time remnant of the future flash went through time to kill iris, creating a vicious cycle that wasn't supposed to end.
@@baileynightshade617 Ok.
Thing is... Barry had his mom AND dad killed and that didn't break him, so when all of a sudden when Iris dies he just breaks?
Sort of a managed expectations? It is kinda expected that our parents would die before us, while women tend to live longer than man so normally one would not expect to see his wife's death
Guess Eobard didn't think about that when he killed his mom
Finally understood after 6 years
:)
wow never thought of this the flash was always confusing to me
hahahahaha
Ngl hat line "I out grew red" was dope
You're doing great work 👌. Keep it up
I will try my best
Man finaly someone who explains this. All this time it was so weird and not understandable what's going on
:)
I have two theories how Savitar turned evil.
Theory 1: if you kill your time remnant or any version of yourself you become evil, because he said "if you kill me, you become me, either way I live".
Theory 2: When in DC's Legends of Tomorrow when The Legion of Doom alters Rip's memories, emotions and feelings towards the legends, what if Savitar did that to this Flash to turn him Evil.
It's all really confusing at this point, I don't know if he is a Time Remnant or the OG version of Barry Allen.
My way is faster.
You are onto something, savatar is lead by hatred opposed to flash, by love. When savatar kills either iris, he remains left in time nonstop to repeat it for the next past attempt, but when a past version of himself kills the remnant, that version of barry currupts and follows the remnants footsteps, though savatar is a remnant, not the original because a future of him used him as a remnant and as it was probably his first time using a remnant he had no idea he was supposed to deliver it to its og state or kill it, that allowed the remnant to kill iris to guarantee time wouldnt erase it.
ill be honest, i dont usually like watching theory videos about my favorite shows, but this definitely caught my attention.
Thanks.
Wait on hold up remember in season 5 where thawne initial plan was to be set free after being held against his own will for another 15 years? Ok so when the past Barry Allan destroyed the dagger to save his daughter which, then concluded into killing her instead cause of the new timeline setting in blah blah blah, I digress. The point is if like how destroying the dagger in the past sets thawne free in the future. Then if 2017 Barry beats savitar earlier then 2024 Barry. Then doesn’t that change the future for 2024 Barry, doesn’t iris come back to life? Or does iris like Ralph dibney said {R.I.P} do all the metas get unkilled?
I always thought he was saying “ I am the future,flash “ indicating that he was from the future.
It weird because he says it so fast it’s. Like “ i am the future flash
In season 4 or in Season 5 Flash and his daughter went back in time to see the fight take place between Savitar and Flash. And the Daughter saw her mom shoot Savitar . I think only reason why Iris did it was the feeling of instinct at the right time. Though Flash and Flashes Daughter grabbed part of Savitars armor and went back to the present time before it dissapeared . Savitar is the Future of Barry Allen . But Flash somehow got lucky to defeat Savitar. So the Question is what would happen if Savitar actually did manage to succeed and did become a god? How would that affect the other Heros and Villians?
So he's basically kingdom nemesis prime
The Future Flash with the blue suit in the New 52 comic books should show up in the TV Series The Flash
Yes
In the moment that Savitar(Future Flash) said he needed 2 things 1. For Iris' to "die" so he can be born but did not tell the second he said he rather keep that one to himself so I was having a hypothesis Savitar(Future Flash) made a speed mirage of himself to fight with past version flash so he can destroy his armor and let Iris' kill him at the end because he already knew that season 5 flash with his daughter Nora would get the piece of his suit for cicada. So The Original Savitar (Future Flash) had already went to his own timeline and he had no third choice to manipulate season 3 Barry to protect the space time continium, just like Alternate Future Barry did.
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I have a 2nd theory what if what 2024 Barry was saying about making time remnants was real what if the Barry in the time vault is the time remnant and the original is the actual savitar this probably ins’t true but when 2024 Barry says “you will go back you will do everything you can think of to save her and blah blah blah and you’ll even create time remnants but he’ll kill them all mostly for some reason the way he says this kinda makes my feel like he’s referring to the original Barry doing this not himself and then he says “there will be nothing left at long but stopping savitar but one day you’ll lock him in the speed force forever but at that point everything you’ve loved is gone but this is we’re it made me think that this is actually the time remnant after that he says INCLUDING YOU like why would he say including you if that time remnant knows that the original Barry when back to the past to become savitar and the time remnant is left to vanish in crisis mouths later see wear I’m getting at here I just feel like he’s not telling the events of what happened in 1st person but it’s also tricky if there remnants involved 3:33 then savitar after hearing what 2024 Barry told him flipped the story and told him what happened to the time remnant that’s why he’s nodding his head kinda in his mind kinda saying like yeah the story checks out now now that savitar knows that Barry thinks that he killed the time remnants savitar backs up the story and tells Barry what they did to the time remnant see how savitars perspective is be flipped that probably didn’t make any sense but what ever. 6:59 -7:04 including you why would he add that. And would that mess up the time line with him saying all that’s or because he’s a remnant it would matter ??
There’s another thing to notice, if you watch the scene of both past and future Barry talking past Barry is wearing red and future Barry is wearing dark clothes.
There is another piece of evidence for this theory in S5 E17. Team Flash stumbles across two time spheres, and they scratch one, which produces a scratch on the duplicate... which reinforces the idea that Savitar and Barry are the same person, just from different times.
EXACTLY!
You mean E750 or are we on completely different subjects
@@greenbean325 Hmm...
Dawg this was my recommended and I watched and was like uhhhh “are you NOT caught up and you’re doing theories on the internet when people already know” and saw the date and I was like nvm😭😭
lol
You wanted to roast me, right?
theory: he was created when barry raced against zoom but instead of dying in flashpoint he was alive when barry fixed flashpoint and thats why his face looks like you just took a shit on it at covered it in olive oil
Make it. lol
How do you explain Savitar telling Barry that Barry locked him in the Speedforce Prison, and the prison was made by Tracy, do you remember a Tracy in season 2?!
The race remnant wasnt put in a speed force prison as none existed yet
These theories make me 😂😂 😂 😂
Is no one gonna talk bout how iris shot a speedster(Future Barry) while he was running and with a gun no less
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Plot twist Savitar was not lieing but it’s just the writers fault
Lol love the content keep up the good work
Even after 2 years people are on this. LMFAO
@@ChristianProtossDragoon lol I’ve watched every flash episode about 5 or 4 times each
@@jorgestudios441 Wow. Hahaha. Don't blame you.
next time i only watch seasons 1-3. after that everything went downhill
Yep.
Ik im 2 years late but if we did go off this would this mean Savitar is the real future flash and the emo future flash is the time remnant so savitar could probably be made again
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@@ChristianProtossDragoon it all makes sense now
4 years later bro is still responding damn
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Producer: lets get to the video and stop the filler
Filler: Im here! Im here!
I said: "useless" filler.
The thing wrong about this is that a time remnant is still the original except just gone back a second and stayed in that time with the version that was a second ago
I have a theory where is the og flash.
When Barry was a kid the og flash when in the past to save Barry. Then when saviter kills iris he is driven in dark and becomes saviter so OG Barry is saviter
No original timeline.
We all know that savatar was the same flash that reverse flash was fighting in the house that day when young Barry was saved.
Proof?
Another thing is future Barry (the one with long hair) where’s a blue jacket and a dark shirt while present day Barry where’s a red jacket and a light shirt this by itself is nothing but Savitar says “What can I say I outgrew red” and the shirts could represent one is evil the other is good another thing is SAVITAR HIMSELF says this is where we created the cerebral inhibitor so defeat devoe but that doesn’t make any sense he may have the memories of the present day Barry because that’s before he splits off into a remnant but if the team really shunned him would they even tell him about devoe and he says WE so no the timeline would not work but Savitar is connected to flashpoint the philosophers stone can bring back aspects of different timelines/earths there has to be a timeline where Barry stayed in flashpoint so if it can bring parts of either forgotten timelines or multiverse earths then I think Savitar was from the original timeline only to be washed out by Thawnes new timeline only to be brought back with flashpoint the timeline. And if you say that he might have forgotten these events there is 2 reasons he can remember when you are on another earth (for example 2) and a timeline changes on another earth(for example 1) the new timeline consumes earth one and the timeline you originally knew has a different earth so you are sheltered from timeline changes also Thawne has repeatedly used the speed force as a timeline change bunker to keep himself safe from timeline changes so the theory tracks
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@@shockedbucket ???
Ye
Demon under sheets I have a lot of good video ideas and I have a small channel u think we could collaborate for a theory on flash
4:20 Actually, it makes sense, he means that he drives Barry so far into the dark for Barry to create time remnants, which he otherwise wouldn't do because of the risks regarding the time wraith and his rules about not messing with time anymore.
He already messes with time though
@@ChristianProtossDragoon True, he does it on a daily basis, but from what we saw with his fight with Zoom, creating a time remnant almost immediately take the attention of a time wraith, and that's a risk for himself
@@lucasaymeric9627 Exactly. See my point now? lol
Pretty sure he’s a time remnant. They just did a bad job of combining the blue “Future Flash” storyline and Savitar storyline from the comics.
Ok
Also I love how everyone forgets that this a time loop because of a Flashpoint event
I think savitar isn’t a time remnant because when time remnants get erased by the time line their particles are red/orange and this is true because reverse flash in season 1 was erased and his particles where blue but his remnants where red/orange and in season 3 when savitar gets erased his particles are blue!
Ok.
But reverse flash dont die then (season 5
Luukas R can you explain a little bit more? The reverse flash can die, but he also has time remnants out in the time line (also maybe in different earths since earth x had reverse flash).
how come in dc legends season 2 when black flash killed reverse flash, his particles were orange. Was that a time remnant as well
StoutAsh yes it was a time remnant, because ever since season 1 of the Cw Flash when the original reverse flash was wiped out of the timeline every reverse flash in all point of time became a time remnant because of the negative speedforce protecting the reverse flash. Season 2 Harry wells from earth 2 explains how he isn’t gone.