Just curious…. When did Karate have a “Bujutsu (Japanese name ) side” to it. No extant Japanese Ryuha has ever listed Karate or Toudi as one of their elements. Might you be thinking of street fighting as Choki was said to engage in.?
What does that have to do with it? Bujutsu more generally just refers to applied skills as opposed to modern "budo." It doesn't have to be Japanese koryu bujutsu.
This was BRILLIANT. This really just spelled it all out. I have a challenge explaining to my students the differences and overlap of the palace arts, the other Okinawan arts, and the eclecticism of Okinawan karate.
It’s interesting as Seiyu Oyata’s system had elements from his training with Uehara Sekeichi. The full contact fighting methods are still being taught from the Shigeru Nakamura lineage.
What a fantastic video! As a practitioner of Motobu-ryu (in Canada) this has been quite informative and detailed. I plan on sharing this with my Shihan and anyone else curious about our art! I'm pleased we have a common purpose. Thank you!
I practice Goju-ryu in Japan, there are two kinds of dojos kind of like you said: sports karate and budo karate. The latter being for self-defense, but the majority of dojos in Japan now are almost exclusively sports karate. It takes a bit of searching and a decent amount of Japanese proficiency to find a good dojo that practices useful karate and took me a long time, but they do exist.
Thank you for this. Please include more descriptive photographs of the decision and styles. Family lines as they developed. So us older, Shotokan folks can follow. I’m becoming more aware, thank everyone.
I learned a similar guard position as mentioned in video. Hands are fist and up as a guard when fighting. Back hand kept as a tight fist by elbow. I learned this in northern Shaolin.
I teach Goju Kai Karate, one of my former students teaches hand to hand to a Sheriff department, another taught hand to hand in the Marine corps basically teaching what they learned at my dojo. They were highly regarded by their leadership. Of course when teaching in such settings you exclude Kata, but all self defense techniques can be gleaned from Kata.
I started in shorinji ryu karate jutsu. I got real lucky with my teacher. You had understand and appreciate the history and lineage. And you had to fight. Real fighting to. He was a cop. I lost teeth training with him. Ive learned many systems since him. I still use what he taught me. I still train his kata.
Thanks for the video. Through my mind somehow came illogical thoughts... Choki and much younger and still active Morio H... The fastest talk ever, also...
Could be good parallels between Motobu Choki and Higaonna, as 30 years ago no one bought into the self promoting embellishments Higaonna professed about himself. Now look to 30 years later, few people do not see Higaonna through rose-colored glasses because they are not old enough to have seen his distasteful (To Ryukuan and Japanese sensibilities) self promotions. But then similar head-shaking instances have always existed in Goju Ryu lineages. More than likely most Karate lineages carry the burden of dealing with self-promoting commercialism and gullible American service men in the late 1940s through the 1970s before there was any direct communication available between the west and Japanese/Okinawan Karate governing bodies. Getting back to the dilution of Goju Ryu. If Miyagi, Chojun had not returned to Okinawa, then Yamaguchi Gogen could not have convinced anyone that Miyagi had passed the mantle of Goju in Japan to him. And in like fashion Peter Urban wouldn’t have been able to train for two years with Yamaguchi and then, when returning to the States, award himself an airport promotion to Judan and teaching American Goju. Not hard to fall far from the tree, and eventually his student professing to teach a “old style” he called Chinese Goju. Students teaching students is one factor that has contributed to the dilution of Miyagi’s methods that eventually became under the Karate Umbrella.
Thank you for the shout out to us at Martial Arts Alliance. We're honored you're a part of the team, and frankly, one of my favorite channels to listen to when drinking coffee and getting ready to practice. Wish you posted more often :P.
Great historical content!!! Thanks. Only not-so-positive comment I have is your intro on WKF kumite. It's a bit odd to me that you include Uechi-ryu is one of those very traditional styles which you almost never see in WKF.
My Father was a 6th Dan in Seidokan and Motobu Ryu through Sensei (Now Master) Tackett under Grand Master Shian Toma. Kumite was always full contact but controlled.... As a kid in tournaments in southern/central California I typically was DQ'd for excessive contact or won 1st place. As a teen and young adult I used my Karate as well as Wrestling, Boxing, & Kickboxing to win many many street fights(I know I know...once someone hears your tough they ALWAYS have to try and find out for themselves and I was all too happy to oblige them 🙄) but where my Karate helped me the most was against multiple attackers.
When you decode kata you will always find, Engage, Control, Defeat. You will also find escalation of force from Repel, incapacitate, maim / kill. As an example, in Saifa, you break your attacker’s neck with your forehead. Can you tell me where that is in the kata?
I enjoyed your video. One thing that you may want to rethink, however, is you stating that Okinawa was one of the first placed America attacked in retaliation for the bombing of Pearl harbor. It was actually the last place America landed before using the bombs to convince the Emperor (or the military) to surrender. All in all a pretty good recap of information on the Motobu family’s contribution to Ryukuan methods.
I'm still pretty sure that even though uechi ryu entered into competition, sport and the modern day, that style especially haven't really lost a lot of its original combative and practical material, where exactly have you seen that style being watered down? Because I haven't seen it
In my shotokan school, we train mid contact and full contact free sparring, with takedowns, sweeps, trips, joint locks, and submissions. We do beat huh defenses with live resistance. Then we, all the black belts in the school, went to another shotokan school that taught light contact, point based kumite and zero grappling. It hurts me to call that shit shotokan or karate at all.
Really enjoyed it. I briefly studied in motobu Urdu di and it was a very interesting art. I wish I could remember the names of the Okinawa instructors but sadly I can’t.
This is amazinggg,I Iive in North America to and it’s a shame that we can’t find this style here😂😂,but that question still lies on my head,was motobu Choki practicing Ipon Kumite when he did those drills?bc the other practitioner had his other hikite on his hip,if u can answer it would be a blessing,Keep up the good work 🥋😂
i would ask you a request , google my late sensei Guy Kurose , of Seattle wa , he passed away 20 years ago and was a real fighter and a 6 th degree black belt in Goju Kai . thanks friend love your channel
You would have many more followers if you were not so honed into the precise history and geography. Granted it is important, but not to most who would tune into your channel. Good Luck
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Motobu Choki's name deserves more mentions than ever since I think Karate in general is trending more towards the Bujutsu/Combat side now than before.
Just curious…. When did Karate have a “Bujutsu (Japanese name ) side” to it. No extant Japanese Ryuha has ever listed Karate or Toudi as one of their elements. Might you be thinking of street fighting as Choki was said to engage in.?
What does that have to do with it? Bujutsu more generally just refers to applied skills as opposed to modern "budo." It doesn't have to be Japanese koryu bujutsu.
This was BRILLIANT. This really just spelled it all out. I have a challenge explaining to my students the differences and overlap of the palace arts, the other Okinawan arts, and the eclecticism of Okinawan karate.
I feel like Choki and Choyu had a Wolverine/ Sabertooth relationship for at least two decades.
Very informative! Great history lesson. I did not understand the 2 different Motobu styles until now. Thank you.
Great video, really well explained. Motobu Choki is probably my favourite historical Karateka.
Why?
It’s interesting as Seiyu Oyata’s system had elements from his training with Uehara Sekeichi. The full contact fighting methods are still being taught from the Shigeru Nakamura lineage.
What a fantastic video! As a practitioner of Motobu-ryu (in Canada) this has been quite informative and detailed. I plan on sharing this with my Shihan and anyone else curious about our art! I'm pleased we have a common purpose. Thank you!
As a Kenpo practitioner I appreciate the focus on application that Motobu pushed
I practice Goju-ryu in Japan, there are two kinds of dojos kind of like you said: sports karate and budo karate. The latter being for self-defense, but the majority of dojos in Japan now are almost exclusively sports karate. It takes a bit of searching and a decent amount of Japanese proficiency to find a good dojo that practices useful karate and took me a long time, but they do exist.
Absolutely delightful ted
Thank you for this. Please include more descriptive photographs of the decision and styles. Family lines as they developed. So us older, Shotokan folks can follow.
I’m becoming more aware, thank everyone.
This shd be put in a series with episodes. Will be fun following these historical events
I subscribed for the Goju content but this video was simply superb! Keep it up. Enjoyed this video thoroughly 👍👍👍
Really good explanation! Thank you for this👊😄
A lot I didn't know here. Excellent research!
Very good information. Nicely done.
Fascinating stuff!!! :)
Nice stuff. Thanks for posting. Liked, subscribed, and linked to fighting arts friends.
Very Interesting! I have been working Naihanchi Shodan lately, but that is just a beautiful coincidence.
I learned a similar guard position as mentioned in video. Hands are fist and up as a guard when fighting. Back hand kept as a tight fist by elbow. I learned this in northern Shaolin.
love these videos
I teach Goju Kai Karate, one of my former students teaches hand to hand to a Sheriff department, another taught hand to hand in the Marine corps basically teaching what they learned at my dojo. They were highly regarded by their leadership. Of course when teaching in such settings you exclude Kata, but all self defense techniques can be gleaned from Kata.
I started in shorinji ryu karate jutsu. I got real lucky with my teacher. You had understand and appreciate the history and lineage. And you had to fight. Real fighting to. He was a cop. I lost teeth training with him. Ive learned many systems since him. I still use what he taught me. I still train his kata.
Jesus, teeth? You all couldn't wear mouthguards?
@@InGrindWeCrust2010 You don't know this because you are young and inexperienced. But, you can loose teeth while wearing a mouth guard.
great research! thanks!
Thanks for the video.
Through my mind somehow came illogical thoughts... Choki and much younger and still active Morio H...
The fastest talk ever, also...
Could be good parallels between Motobu Choki and Higaonna, as 30 years ago no one bought into the self promoting embellishments Higaonna professed about himself. Now look to 30 years later, few people do not see Higaonna through rose-colored glasses because they are not old enough to have seen his distasteful (To Ryukuan and Japanese sensibilities) self promotions. But then similar head-shaking instances have always existed in Goju Ryu lineages. More than likely most Karate lineages carry the burden of dealing with self-promoting commercialism and gullible American service men in the late 1940s through the 1970s before there was any direct communication available between the west and Japanese/Okinawan Karate governing bodies. Getting back to the dilution of Goju Ryu. If Miyagi, Chojun had not returned to Okinawa, then Yamaguchi Gogen could not have convinced anyone that Miyagi had passed the mantle of Goju in Japan to him. And in like fashion Peter Urban wouldn’t have been able to train for two years with Yamaguchi and then, when returning to the States, award himself an airport promotion to Judan and teaching American Goju. Not hard to fall far from the tree, and eventually his student professing to teach a “old style” he called Chinese Goju. Students teaching students is one factor that has contributed to the dilution of Miyagi’s methods that eventually became under the Karate Umbrella.
Thank you for the shout out to us at Martial Arts Alliance. We're honored you're a part of the team, and frankly, one of my favorite channels to listen to when drinking coffee and getting ready to practice. Wish you posted more often :P.
Great historical content!!! Thanks.
Only not-so-positive comment I have is your intro on WKF kumite. It's a bit odd to me that you include Uechi-ryu is one of those very traditional styles which you almost never see in WKF.
My Father was a 6th Dan in Seidokan and Motobu Ryu through Sensei (Now Master) Tackett under Grand Master Shian Toma.
Kumite was always full contact but controlled.... As a kid in tournaments in southern/central California I typically was DQ'd for excessive contact or won 1st place.
As a teen and young adult I used my Karate as well as Wrestling, Boxing, & Kickboxing to win many many street fights(I know I know...once someone hears your tough they ALWAYS have to try and find out for themselves and I was all too happy to oblige them 🙄)
but where my Karate helped me the most was against multiple attackers.
Excellent work.
Metodode is a principle, not a single, fixed kamae!
Woohoo karate
Goju ryu, spot me
Motobu, sloppy
Funakoshi, ye
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Thanks for the great video, do you know where I can find more information on Udundi?
I was also taught not to use Wikipedia as a reference, but the page's references section can be a GREAT resource for sites and books to check out.
first time i heard of udundi, nice jobe. hope u can make a video of it. like its forms, training, current known practitioners.
I live in the Philippines where is Motobu's dojo here?
Good job mate keep up the good work
When you decode kata you will always find, Engage, Control, Defeat. You will also find escalation of force from Repel, incapacitate, maim / kill. As an example, in Saifa, you break your attacker’s neck with your forehead. Can you tell me where that is in the kata?
Great video. Very informative.
If you are located in medellin Colombia, we do udundi ! Thanks for the video
When visiting Medellin some years ago, I had the opportunity to attend one class of Sensei Toro. Amazing class and amazing Sensei. Send my regards.
Jajaja 😂 historia de dos motobuses. Y de los choferes que los manejaban.
I enjoyed your video. One thing that you may want to rethink, however, is you stating that Okinawa was one of the first placed America attacked in retaliation for the bombing of Pearl harbor. It was actually the last place America landed before using the bombs to convince the Emperor (or the military) to surrender. All in all a pretty good recap of information on the Motobu family’s contribution to Ryukuan methods.
Funakoshi = A Form of Shamisen
Motobu = A Form of Music
Wikipedia’s sources can easily be checked before citing which is a great.
I'm still pretty sure that even though uechi ryu entered into competition, sport and the modern day, that style especially haven't really lost a lot of its original combative and practical material, where exactly have you seen that style being watered down? Because I haven't seen it
Uechi seems to enter knockdown tournaments as much as WKF style tournaments.
When i heard philippines my senses was on level 10!!!
Any idea where in philippines did he teach?
Tell me more about the certificate at your top right on the wall. Thank you
Are you talking about Shitoyru?
In my shotokan school, we train mid contact and full contact free sparring, with takedowns, sweeps, trips, joint locks, and submissions. We do beat huh defenses with live resistance. Then we, all the black belts in the school, went to another shotokan school that taught light contact, point based kumite and zero grappling. It hurts me to call that shit shotokan or karate at all.
Really enjoyed it. I briefly studied in motobu Urdu di and it was a very interesting art. I wish I could remember the names of the Okinawa instructors but sadly I can’t.
Referring to it as a “cross pollination” is like....sick dude
Muito bom!!!
Any one in tampa teaching this?
When was karate an "incredibly effective art"? Where is the evidence and data?
This is amazinggg,I Iive in North America to and it’s a shame that we can’t find this style here😂😂,but that question still lies on my head,was motobu Choki practicing Ipon Kumite when he did those drills?bc the other practitioner had his other hikite on his hip,if u can answer it would be a blessing,Keep up the good work 🥋😂
Doversola 😉
So when you are saying that 95% of karate is useless, what your are saying is that that 95% or what is taught in karate dojo are useless.
At first karate was a close quarter combat then things had changed for the worst and karatekas became weak in fights...
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i would ask you a request , google my late sensei Guy Kurose , of Seattle wa , he passed away 20 years ago and was a real fighter and a 6 th degree black belt in Goju Kai . thanks friend love your channel
Even Goju point fighting is good. Point fighters who know how to hit can fight.
You would have many more followers if you were not so honed into the precise history and geography. Granted it is important, but not to most who would tune into your channel. Good Luck
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