The Oldest KATA in KARATE History (セーサン)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- Learn the oldest kata from Okinawa - the birthplace of Karate.
This form actually originates in China, from a kung-fu style called Incense Shop boxing. This was the style practiced at the Southern Shaolin temple, which later developed into White Crane, and heavily influenced the roots of Karate.
(Or "Tode" as the martial art was called before its modernization in mainland Japan.)
This kata exists in every traditional style, and is even featured in Bubishi - the bible of Karate.
In this video you'll learn its original form as taught by master Lin in Fuzhou, Fujian.
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What do you wanna learn? 👊
maybe street fight tactic and stratigy
How to be a better version of myself.
Karate foot sweep into punch on the ground for street fighting
Morote Koken Uke bunkai?
I would really like you to speak about the "Atifa" in Okinawan karate, what is called "fah jing" in chinese martial arts. Thank you
Apart from what everyone has already mentioned, I really love how the Chinese teacher is so eager to pass on his knowledge. Without people like him, so many of us would be left in the dark. It's also thanks to you Jesse for going and bringing that knowledge out to us.
It looked like he really liked having you. I hope you are able to go back and train more with him.
I had great experiences since 1990 training in Taiwan, HK, China, even Philippines...most masters are eager to share...
It was beautiful to watch him move so effortlessly.
it's sad that Master Lin might be one of the last. I hope that videoing him will save things for posterity. I hope Jesse has more time to visit him, learn more and collect more footage!
I liked how he spoke high Chinese in the beginning of explaining the Kata but later on changed into his lokal dialect because he's like f** it, the foreigner doesn't understand anything anyways, I might as well talk comfortably then 😂
@@myeramimclerie7869 Had no idea. That's funny!
The passion you express while explaining is so contagious that I feel it through the bones. Cool video as always, thanks for sharing it.
Awesome! Just doing what I love 😄
What is the original name of seisan they use in China ?
I'm so happy that this version is being preserved - It would be great for him to go through all of his Kata with 4 cameras around him, just so people can reference back to it at a later date.
Thank-you very much for posting this!
100% agree
What's the name of the form in chinese?
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@@mrhecto7147 Sumfin-nu
We do Seisan! We’re Kempo though, so a bit newer than most styles.. but still! How cool
Old is gold 🌮🌮🌮
Hello
Yeah my Kempo teacher said the roots of our system go back to the meiji era but everything traceable is only to like the 40's when it got blended with Karate in Taiwan. A lot of Kempo seems to have Karate links.
.. loved the video, was wondering if you show the complete original Chinese form ?
Do you think that Seisan maybe the seed that Karate grew from and can it be used to find when and where and between who this art started?
Sensei Jesse, you are doing the world a great service by archiving this knowledge in video form. Please keep it up!
I live in Hawaii. I am Uchinanchu, but was born and raised here. I am proud of my "Okinawan" heritage. I have learned Karate in my youth. I transitioned to Chinese martial arts, soon after learning of the connection with China. Your videos have taught me not only about martial arts, but also culture...my own in particular. I thank you for your videos and the in depth research that must have gone into it. Your an awesome practitioner and seem to be an even more awesome man. Thanks again for your videos and please keep 'em coming my friend. Mahalo!! (Thank you in Hawaiian)
Would love to see a Part 2 to this video demonstrating the last part of the Chinese version that had the more complex movements missing in the Okinawan version?
Same
Me too, but seems it sadly won't happen.
My thougts exactly!
@@danieldubaj4776 :(
2:08 That was just beautiful.
This is honestly one of your best videos. A funny thing I noticed is that the instructor speaks to you in Mandarin and his students local dialect. Because, you know, Mandarin is what you'll understand. I love how animated and excited he is telling you about the form. The passion shows through
Thanks for you, bring back the old martial arts information, useful for me in training.
Tucking the tailbone is also important for many Chinese martial arts. While I was practicing Tai Chi (both Wu- and Yang-style) I noticed how important it is and how much it changes the "kata". Great work on this video as always!
Jesse I just saw your trip to China and was inspiring! You are doing a super important work here on passing down knowledge and keeping traditions alive. I would love to see the other 3 katas, you should definitely go back! Thank you for making us leave this dream trip!
I like that you framed this as both a demonstration and a disussion - good to discuss and learn with Kata - thats one of the best things i enjoy doing with my Sensei trying to to understand the how, what, when, where, & why
I love this! I've been practicing traditional Northern Shaolin for 14 years now and I love history and Okinawan Karate, specially the connection with White Crane which I know a little bit. I hope to find an Okinawan Karate school where I live to practice some day!
Thank you for sharing what you know and all the best to you!
Outstanding work here Jesse. Thanks for passing along this knowledge to help us understand, not only application, but history. Thank you.
I love this kind of videos where Jesse explores ancient roots of Karate.You are great presenter.Thank you.
Hi Jesse, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your videos. I’ve practiced a variety of arts in the past 30 some odd years, isshinryu, shotokan, northern preying mantis, wing chun, under qualified instructors, and a few others as a result of a curiosity to just compare different styles. It is so fantastic what you’ve done in finding the source of it all, not to mention the father of “ The oldest known Kata”! WOW! Tremedous!
Damn Jesse, I really freaking love these kinds of videos of yours!!!
I come from Taekwondo, but recognise so many moves / techniques and since all martial arts are related it makes sense and I love it 💪
I'm not sure, if you are allowed to film the full kata and upload it, but I would really love to see you perform the oldest Kata in full length 🥋🔥😇🔥🥋
Thank you! Hopefully I’ll be able to perform it. It’s harder than it looks!
if it's possible, perhaps jesse can work with naka sensei in kuro-obi world? cheers
So cool!! Thanks for posting this! Always love learning about the origins of karate and katas!!
Thank you Jesse for posting, sharing, and Explaining what was shared and imparted to you. I hope you share the second part of the kata that you referenced earlier in this video. Grateful.
Yay!! the full Intro Theme song is back
Haha glad you like it! 🙏
@@KARATEbyJesse sensei, this is kata so beautiful!! and graceful!!
(and towards the end of the video, the master started to speak Fuchow hahahaha)
appreciate you went all the way to China to get all of us this valuable piece of information (and during Covid outbreak!!)
appreciates
Missed your vids mate, great to see you back
Never left! 😄
Absolutely one of the best linking videos I have seen in a while.
An amazing video Jesse....!!! we are so happy for your work , keep it on..... salutes from Atlanta, GA....
It's amazing. What you show at 10:30 can be found in a lot of our traditional Pencak Silat styles here in Indonesia. Great video!
6:06 "You kind of connect your glutes to your abs and you get this super strong posture"
*I Have no Abs* ಥ_ಥ
I love the way you bring so much information to your videos. It's amazing how a kata can have so many variations. I was taught shoto-kan katas by an ex special ops instructor. He followed the Book by Shojiro Sugiyama.I always look forward to your videos.
Best Martial Arts Video ever. It's great to see the connections amongst styles (not only of Karate) coming down to a simple set of movements with specific breathing techniques
Wow Jesse , you’re inspiring me to get back into karate.
Are you gonna perform for us at one point the entire kata ? Great work K-nerd! 🔥
I don’t feel qualified, it’s so difficult! 😫 The same goes for the other original Kung-Fu kata I learned in China... It really makes sense why the Okinawans simplified the forms 👍
@@KARATEbyJesse I don't blame you man. Nobody with bit of intelligence would judge you for trying but the Net is the Net! Take care
@@paulr.8365 AppreCiate, yoUr *hint* (☸️🔐).,
Believe it was too ☯️ *subtle* tho. 🤷🏻♂️🙏
Absolutely amazing analysis! So well done!
So cool. I really enjoy learning the roots of my karate training. This is a perfect addendum to your China series. Thank you!
Thank you Senseii! Love your work
Much appreciated!
Make his knuckles bleed!
YES, SENSEI!
Seisan! 😮😄
I learned it as a kid, awesome!
If I remember correctly we learned it as the first actual kata at yellow belt, with the understanding that it was one of the most important, and that we learned it early so that after years when we got advanced we’d be able to do it correctly.
EDIT: just watched a video of the Isshin Ryu version; it’s been close to 30 years but I remembered about 2/3 Ed’s of it, maybe I should get back into karate!
Never let karate go completely. Even if you just move thru stance and punch. Pick 1 or 2 katas. Sounded like you let your karate go. It's not about fighting. There's so much more to it as I think you know.
your videos are so cool! thanks!
Phantastic video! Thanks Jesse
Good to see where it came from, I got my Dan grade when I was 60 three years ago, in our association Seishan is used to grade to 3rd Dan. It is very intricate and is a challenge to get right !
Much appreciated video. Thanks Jesse.
You are so excited about what you've learnt your breathing is unmeasured Jesse! Must have been fantastic discovering - and being taught this.
Wow, it's cool to see how similar the moves I learned in Isshin Ryu are to the originals.
I did isshin ryu too! What is you lineage
I’m under Nagle/Lizotte. I think it’s interesting seeing how we still do the semi block like traditional Kung Fu.
finally!!!!
hope you eventually go back to china and learn some more Incense Shop Boxing!
Excelente material, muchas gracias!
Awesome video and thanks for sharing your tips. .
7:20 the move is almost identical to the way a lot of goju ryu practioners perform their osai-uke, particularly those who've trained under the jundokan such as myself. A prime example would be before the last punch in saifa kata or after the sets renzoku punches in sesan
How long since you have trained at the Jundokan? I'm planning on going asap
Oldest version looks like southern kung fu. For sure it comes from the shaolin.
Yea Karate is based off Shaolin.
Im teaching wing chun kung fu, and lots of the movement in there are in our style.
I think karate was based off of kungfu
Shaolin was a martial arts hub. Not necessarily a place of invention. A lot of the Shaolin forms you learn used to be complete styles.
He explains it in his China Trip videos. It's called Incense Shop Boxing. Jesse first visited a White Crane master but it felt not close enough. Then he had a disappointing experience at the Southern Shaolin site.
They were wandering about until they bumped into two student with whom they exchanged ideas, to then be kicked out by staff; off that received some intel that one of the 'original' styles is now known as Incense Shop. The story is that when the fighting monks got kicked out by the CCP, some of them regrouped and secretly practised behind an Incense Shop.
That guy is one of the few left that still knows about the style. Given the circumstances over the years, it was difficult to gather a large enough group of students to keep the style alive. They might but but I think this footage will become a historic document for future karate history researchers!
(By the way, there were a few other encounters with different Southern style practitioners but they seemed tangential to the main thrust of the story. Don't skip them, though! The form applications they show are real eye-openers. Lots of trapping going on that is not evident from the form moves, moves that have a lot in common with moves in katas.)
Thank you for sharing. Of everything you have shown in your videos this kata is the one thing I most want to learn.
Excellent content and production Sir. Well done.
A lot of Hangetsu in my training recently. A personal favourite. Lovely to see the Chinese version. Osu.
Wow. You are a great Sensei.
Even showing the Bunki
Thank you for the history lesson. I have not been in a Dojo in over ten years. You have made me want to return.
Arigatou gozaimasu
Good effort, great conection. THe archeological job is amazing. I thank you to share it with everybody. Congratulations.
Really informative and interesting video!
That's amazing
Thank you 👊
Very cool but this also show that Karate Masters were really modernizing Kung Fu. Could you show the complete today's Seisan bunkai?
Thanks Jesse! Good stuff!!
Love ya!!! Always good teaching and info. Thanks 🙏 again for your show. The bubishi is a classical text every martial artist should study.
This is getting very interesting! For military practice I expect to see more arm breaks in martial arts. We see them in the European manuscripts. Even though we haven't kept up on that as being a continuous art we have The manuals of fiore, tollhoffer, and others that demonstrate the necessity of grappling with swordplay. What is often referred to as winden und binden ( winding and binding) which is this sort of circular motion has during contact with your enemy in order to change your position to gain mechanical advantage.
Fiore in his manual promotes his techniques with the idea of how often he's broken people's arms. But you'll see no groundwork at all in the manual. all of these holds and breaks are done from standing positions. A single arm wrap followed by a strike very similar to what we're seeing here. He goes to show the universality of combat arms and the military practice of martial arts. It's roots in military practice rather than self-defense.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing 😄👍
@@JosephKerr27 I'm not familiar with Matt but would be interested in additional standing breaks
Cool, you in EU now?
Michael Pierce He is referring to Matt Easton, a Historical European Martial Arts instructor from Britain. “ context” is one of his key catch phrases.
dude, your sentence is somewhat confusing:
Winden und Binden has very little to do with ringen and arm breaks.
That is not to say that winding and binding is not important, or is not the art of getting a mechanical advantage;
nor is it to say that Wrestling is not important in Swordplay, because especcially arm entrapments and jolting "breaks" are really important. ( I have some vid's on my channel highlighting wrestling, especially arm wrestling techniques)
It's just to say that your sentence makes it look as if these two concepts were intertwined, which they are only peripherally.
Looks like Wing Chun, White Crane and Hung Kuen forms, perhaps there's missing link?
You should check out my webseries ”Karate Nerd in China” th-cam.com/play/PLnepTzrhzuB-6k93Klo0L5GDwiMym3Y9a.html
It's five ancestors 五祖拳
I typed up all of the movements of the first Incense Shop Boxing form in detail the best I could following the video, and then your video answered all of my questions! Thank you for your help. -Shaolin disciple & karateka
This is a brilliant comparison Jesse. Thank you for that!
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That's not even close to being all.
That old man swings his arms in the strangest way.
It's like they're abnormally flexible or something. He looks like he's trying to snap his arms like whips.
It would be exactly that. That loose whipping force is common in many Kung Fu systems. Water flowing around a solid object and then crashing. The Iron Ball and Chain instead of an Iron Bar as Bruce Lee described it.
To see more whipping forms, you can look up another Chinese kungfu style called Piguaquan/Piguazhang (or "Pi Kua Chuan/Chang" 劈挂拳、劈挂掌、披挂拳) which, in the variant names, literally translates to "Chopping/Cleaving/Unrolling" + "Hanging" + "Fist/Palm".
The older (and my preferred) 披 name primarily describes the action of unrolling something (e.g. a carpet) or throwing on something (e.g. a covering) but can also mean to scatter/spread apart (typically solid, non-granulated) objects or used in context of opening something.
The younger and current 劈 name is much more aggressive and means chopping/cleaving/hacking as with an axe. Interestingly, the Chinese characters reflect this ideological change from a "hand" radical to a "blade/knife" radical.
@@bladesxf hey thanks for the suggestion
Very good video as always, very well explained and interesting, keep it up. 👍
Excellent video!
Love from india
Cool. I would have thought 4 directional punching would be the oldest kata because of its simplicity?
That’s not really a ”kata”
Amazing! I love your videos! It’s so nice to see all of this history explained.
Thank you for sharing Jesse, very intresting to note!
Imagine being early and having nothing to say...
Story of my life 🤪
I really thought the Chinese master demonstrated Karate. Wow.
This is awesome footage !!!
Incredible!!! Congratulations on your work and thanks for sharing with us. Oss !!!
its disturbing my peace, that someone disliked this (?)
I’m guessing because they disagree that seisan is the oldest kata. Eg Hanshi Patrick McCarthy’s research suggests Bushi Matsumura version is the oldest, yet there were a number of kata in Okinawa long before he was even born
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Man seriously, i appreciate the time u took to type these..
@@Hy-jg8ow yeah some of it i translate it to English
This is a pretty good list! I'm sure there's more but this is a pretty good start.
Ba gua quan and yang family spears system
Wow; very interesting for all styles. Awesome video.
Excellent, your enthusiasm is very inspiring.
Third comment
first comment of your third comment
did you know the first martial arts created was in Indian martial arts kalaripayattu later on an indian went to china to spread buddhism and created kung fu
Probably wasn't the first bro
Loved it! Always great to learn how to do a new kata and what the moves mean. Thank you!
I'm 35 years old and always wanted to start karate .. watching your videos was the push i needed to overcome the shame and signed for shorin ryu .
Thanks Jesse ... Keep up the good work.
Big hug from an argentinian.
What a great video and history lesson. Thank you
Very nice video Jesse Enkamp, your videos are very good and highly informative....
I have been fascinated by martial arts for over 40 years since being a child. I remember reading Terry O'Neil's magazine Fighting Arts International with it's beautifully written articles many of which centered on Karateka visiting Japan but also with well written pieces on a variety of martial arts. Your channel is one of the VERY few internet channels that represents taht quality of martial arts journalism / history, keeping out of politics and therefore staying relevant throughout the passage of time by representing quality.
There is no diggin with Jesse. He just gives you the gold right away, but its so much knowledge way to heavy to carry right away... so you always get remembered there is always more room to grow and learn...learning and preserving what was and what will be...thank u for sharing and for your amazing work 🙏
I always enjoy your videos. keep up the good work.
Awesome! Thanks for the info! Karate is such a mystery. It's cool to see where it all started.
This was informative & Badass simultaneously
Thank you. Explains a lot. You’ve answered certain questions I’ve had over the years as to why the variations yet similarities in katas were for
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing 🙏
Great video, man.
I really love your videos! Keep 'em coming!
Great job. Loved it very interesting
Awesome. Thank you for another interesting episode Sensei.
Love the history and the explanations keep it up
Congratulations! Excellent video! 👏👏👏
I generally like most of your videos alright, but this one I really loved. It turns out I'm very interested in the history, the roots and the evolution of all, eastern, western and new world martial arts. Thank you for a really marvelous video!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
EXCELLENT WORK!!!
Your Video is a most generous gift, highlighting the vital details of this remarkable form and it's Martial DNA. Deepest Thanks and Best success in your training.
Love the passion and the vids you post. I took Chaun Fa as a child for 3 years. My instructor in the Air Force and was taught while stationed in the mid-1960s in Okinawa. We also learned the first 4 katas from Goju-Ryu. Thanks for the vids. info and love of the arts.
I like it! Thank you! Very sincere and fair investigation. Good job!