2021+ KTM 1290 Super Adventure S 30,000 Miles I 2 Year Owner Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- Yes you read that right! It's finally here! The 30,000 Miles, 2 Year Ownership review of my gen 3 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S!
Pros/Cons/Cost of Ownership/Service info and Your Q&A
It's been a long time coming!
00:00 - Intro
01:50 - Quick Overview
03:19 - Pros
10:37 - Cons
14:58 - Cost of Ownership
15:10 - Service Cost
17:24 - Insurance Cost
19:05 - Wear and Tear Cost
20:51 - Cost vs Competitors
24:42 - Demo Mode
26:36 - Known Market Issues
33:50 - Your Questions!
42:13 - Outro
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100% agree. 18 months and 13000 miles in and I still get very excited every time I open that garage door. I’m 57, I’ve had a lot of bikes. This is my first ever KTM and it is by far the best machine I have ever owned or ridden.
You've done well! More than most people ride so good on you!
I'm definitely screenshotting this message and sending it to all of my mates who own GS's haha!
Thanks for watching bud and happy you're loving it
Well I’m 59 and its the first KTM for me as well. I have had many bikes but honestly this one is the most enjoyable, comfortable, powerful, rideable of them all. Why I waited so long to get a bike like this I will never know. It’s amazing!
What a great comment to read on a Sunday evening! Glad you've found a bike you love too! Welcome to the club 💪🏼
Isn’t the best bike but still an exciting bike
Having copied you in getting a Tracer 700 as my first big bike I’m not sure I could follow in your footsteps again and go KTM, but I love how much you love your bike - seems to really put a smile on your face!
Haha if you don't tell, I won't! It really is the bike for me at the moment!
Great vid, very thorough and informative. Appreciate the effort you put in to produce this
Thank you! 🙌🏼
I have the R version, I absolutely love this motorcycle : that’s a beast, super confortable, love the look, and feels rock solid! 👍
Excellent video review Sam. Like you I love mine. 12k miles done and off for it 3rd European tour tomorrow. Your channel and vids were such a positive influence in me buying this bike. Nothings perfect, but this is close enough for me!
Enjoy the trip and safe ride! Glad you love the bike, its a beast isnt it?!
HI Sam thanks for a great in-depth review on ownership I’ve had mine for nearly two years with no problems and love it, my three previous bikes were BMW GS and GSA all three had various warranty issues, keep the great videos coming hope to see you at the ABR in a weeks time 😊
Cheers bud! Great to hear you've had a good experience! I'll see you there!
Well done Sam! Yes I have been waiting! Absolutely love mine. No worries with any issues, at all. After several GS’s and I’ve just turned 60. This is a fantastic, exiting bike. Brilliant at short rides and as brilliant at touring! Way better than it gets credit for. Cheers pal.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Keep up the good work.
Haha! I did think of you when I was filming it all! Glad you love yours as much as I love mine! Absolutely corking bit of kit which needs more recognition! Thanks for watching as always
@@SamVBikes Teapot has absolutely no excuse!😏
😂😂
what a great, thorough review based on personal long lasting experience. I've learned a lot about the bike. congrats on the milestone
Thank you very much!
I’m a fairly recent subscriber, but I’m so glad I found your channel. This video was superb, very interesting and informative (as a current 2019 SAS owner). Thank you 👍🏻
Appreciate that bud! Means a lot!
After 45000 miles on two super duke GT's in 4 years. I have absolutely loved them. totally reliable. With the state of the UK roads, this is my next bike.
Amazing! I'm quietly hoping they update the GT for next year!
Nice video Sam, I owned a 1290 and loved it! Power and comfort. I really miss it!
Thank you bud!
Super review ! No nonsense, screen not big enough 😂 etc. agree 100% with all, tech pack etc., I did 50 000km on my 2017 1290 R with NO problems, now on the new 1290R, support from my local KTM Dealer spot on 👌🏻
Thanks👍🏻
Thank you! I've seen some of those reviews where people are picking out the REALLY stupid things ha!
Nice to hear you've had a great experience! Thanks for watching
Just finished watching this right through in one hit. Excellent review thanks for putting this out. I pretty much agree with everything you've said about the bike and ownership of the bike. I've had a couple of niggles you didn't mention on my bike but they've been sorted out under warranty without issue. The right dealer can make the difference between a good and bad ownership experience, fortunately I use a really good KTM dealer. The main problem I have, is getting enough time to ride the bike but when I do it puts a smile on my face every time.
Thank you very much! You're spot on! A dealer that won't help or support you can ruin the ownership. I know KTM themselves have a very hit&miss reputation with recalls and warranty so the dealer can make that difference! My dealer has been great so far too! Thanks for watching!
I have had KTM Adventures from there first carb 950 Adventure
I have had every Generation to the current model
None of them have let me down
A few trips around Morocco no like no issues 👏👏👏
Amazing!! That's great news! 👍🏼
Very informative video! Found out everything I was interested about. Thanks
More than welcome! Thanks for watching
Masterclass review pal, time flew watching it
Thanks mate! I did worry it was way too long (which it was)
Good work!!! Thanks for the review!!
Thank you! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Great video, thanks for the upload. I used to own a 990 SM for a couple of years - by far the most reliable bike I have ever had but I looked after it meticulously too. I ride the GS now and it has been pretty solid as well so I think a lot depends on the owner.
Definitely agree! The owner and the amount you ride it makes a huge difference!
what an interesting chat! informative and entertaining, well-done, thank you!
Thank you!
Cracking review Sam very honest mate. Glad you mentioned the triumph 900 service my mate just about to buy one on 11500 miles . He wasn't aware of the service cost. Keep em coming always a good watch 👍
Thanks bud, Yeah I was very shocked at that. The 1200's have a 10k service interval so way better
I have enjoyed your videos since you got he SAS. And that has increased my interest.
Finally gave in and sold my 1250GS last week and picked up a new ( 2022) 12090SAS yesterday. So many differences. Some good, some less good.
But i have only done the 300 km. back form the dealer and i know this the beginning of a fun adventure.
Busted my eye this morning and had to spend all day on bloody surgery ( double bugger when you are busy and self employed ). But it should be good when the weekend arrives and i can´t wait to get back on it.
Thanks for your effort. Looking forward to the next ones.
Ahh congratulations on the new bike! The GS is definitely better in some areas, I'll give it that. But for an all round bike that also has the hooligan factor, I can't think of anything I'd rather have!
Sorry to hear about the eye! Hope you're not out of action too long!
A very fair, comprehensive and accurate overview. I agree with it all.
Thank you!
One of the BEST reviews I’ve seen on the 1290.
Thank you 💪🏼
Thank you very much for the video and in-depth information. I am considering this as a replacement for what I currently have and I hope that this will suit me better!
Cheers!
No problem bud! Glad it was useful
Superb long term review. I bought my ‘23 model last July and have done 2000 miles (I’m fortunate to have another bike too), I’m going to Switzerland with my wife as pillion later this year and your video has filled me with confidence for the trip. I have a set of Bumot panniers 40/36 litres and a 65 litre top box. I traded in a 20 plate Multistrada 950s that developed a fault with the instrument cluster and my GS before that needed a new central control unit.
Thank you! As long as you use them, these bikes seem to work really well. Over 37k miles now and still going strong! Enjoy your trip and hope It all goes well for you!
Great review and I watched it till the end.😂. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. Very useful 👊🏾
Good effort! Haha! Glad you found it useful and thank you for watching to the end!
I only have 9000 miles on my '22 SAS, but I've already completed two trips from the Arkansas Ozarks to the Colorado Rockies. Completed the San Juan Skyway a few weeks ago. On the way back I rode through 200 miles of drenching rain across Oklahoma. So far I have had zero issues. Love it.
Good effort! 200 miles of rain sounds like the UK 😂 thanks for watching!
I am an ex KTM Service Manager. I would never own one as I had to deal with the irate customers who had broken down or had warranty issues. KTM need to up their game to compete with the Japanese and BMW, regardless of what you say 😮😮It seems you’ve been lucky!
I don't disagree that KTM UK need to up their game when it comes to customer service and warranty issues. The thing that bugs me is there still is a mentality that the reason something has gone wrong is because it's a KTM. Case in point being the huge numbers of BMW 1300GS starter motors getting wet and catching fire whilst the bike is parked... all the BMW customers are pretty quiet about it and it's being labelled as teething issues on a new model.. if that was a KTM, owners would be livid, screaming how sh*t the entire brand was from the rooftops. Side note - the way a few of my followers with Hondas have been treated, I don't think it's all sunshine and roses everywhere else. We are all buying heavily technologically advanced bikes with a lot of electronics... things will go wrong. My dealer have been brilliant and are brilliant. If you have a dealer who don't want to help, that's the issue which seems less common with BMW granted.
Over 40k miles now and still no issues 👍🏼
Love your review, very thorough and entertaining
Thank you!
Hi Sam, nice 30k review and well spoken. I have a 2017 1090 adventure S. Reading all the bs about KTM made me doubt I bought the right bike, but I enjoy every moment riding it. No problems so far, so I started to focus more on the enjoying side of my KTM not the negative online comments. And when I do read some, I just remember having fun on the bike and not behind a keyboard 👍😁
Thank you!! Yeah that's the best way to be! If you have an issue, sometimes there is a helpful person to point you in the right direction. If you don't, Great! Enjoy it!
Thanks for watching 👍🏼
Really nice review Sam! I have a 2019 SAS and I was “warned” about the “issues” I would face. So far nothing apart from battery and that was on me because I was a knob and left it rust throughout last winter because of reasons. Runs like brand new and I am keeping it for the long run.
Haha yeah thats the normal... "Don't buy one of those. You'll never ride it!" I'm glad it's all good for you, bud
Love mine. Wiring in power to the Garmin was unnecessarily difficult. Even had to remove the crash bars. Dealership in Abbingdon are brilliant so shout out to them. Everything else is as you said. Great review 👏.
Thank you! Haha yes it was a bit of a pain. I ended up running mine to the Hex Ezcan which was easier
Hi, Sam. Great video, thanks for your honest experience.
I own a 2022 KTM 1290 SAR and, previously, I had a 2010 KTM 990 Adv. No mayor issues so far and a lot of good trips and moments in my 13 years of ownership of KTMs.
I like the philosophy of the brand and the power and the versatility of the bikes, great on the road and offroad.
If you listen to the people, there are always complains of all bikes and brands, I normally check them more for any trip to take into account rather than listening the complains.
At the end, if you a have a bike of this level of performance and versatility, you must take care of it, if don’t then, get ready for the issues…
Greetings from Spain, and ride safe.
Thank you! Yes I agree! Look after it and it will look after you! There are some issues but normally they are fixed under warranty! Happy you have had a great experience with your ownership! Safe riding
Very good review! Thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks for watching!
Hi there, congrats for your 30k of pleasure ! I’ve just bought a brand new 2022 SAS. So far i love that bike, really love every part of it (maybe not the blinker switch)
I just had the service on it and the dealer told me that the bike is even better with an 16 (17 oem)tooth pinion and I can really confirm that. Only issues I had so far was the shifter (was a bit harsh) but this is solved now and sometimes the bike doesn’t link to the key… (just need to turn the kill switch and then turn back off)
Thank you! And congratulations on your new bike!! The 23MY bikes have an updated indicator switch so I might ask my dealer to swap it to the new one!
Finally, the long term review is out 😂! Great job Sam! I did not wait for it to get mine SAS brand new 1 month ago 😂, sorry 😂! But you are right, I was completely aware of what I was doing. I knew exactly what I was buying, and your review just confirmed I did not the right, but the ONLY choice for me 😊! So far, the bike has meet all my expectations and even surprised me on some 😊! 1 month old, and already with 4.000 kms😂!
You did forget one of the cons people complain about: the turn indicator switch odd feeling 😂.
However, I am happy to say that the issue has been resolved for 2023 models! The turn switch now has a normal proper feeling 😊!
Enjoy life 😊!
Haha yes! And you have a great bike too!
I did think about the indicator issue but I know it's been changed on the new models! Some people are getting their switches replaced under warranty too. Getting them upgraded to the new version!
Thanks for watching mate
Hi Sam,
Thanks a lot for an excellent video. After a five months wait, I got my 2023 grey SAS in April. Weather has been terrible so far here in Istanbul and I could only put 2500 km so far.
I had the side stand nuts coming loose as well :) Loctite solved it. Other than that, no issues as of yet.
But one thing is sure, it puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. Definitely the hooligan of the big adventure lot. Can't wait to go on a couple of trips with my better half.
Also, definitely planning a track day at Istanbul Park in late September. Again, thanks for sharing your experiences.
Cheers...
Amazing! Congratulations on the new bike!
Hope you get to use the bike more in the next few months! Thanks for watching
@@SamVBikes Thank you for the wishes.
Hey Sam, good to meet you at bikestop today.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers bud! Good to meet you too!
Brilliant review and realistic summary - very helpful
Thank you!
I had the 1190 for 6 years, I only had to replace the battery, I have the 2021 1290 Adventure S from new, no problems, just back from France 1200 miles two up with luggage, fantastic bike and always get people coming up to talk about the bike… great video btw keep it up
Amazing! Really great to hear! France is a great place for bikes isn't it?!
Thank you!
@@SamVBikes love riding in France, it seems soo quiet compared to the UK especially here in Essex
Yes!! We were just north of Lyon and the evenings in the sun were oddly quiet!
I have a 890 S , really enjoyed your video. I keep dreaming of the 1290, but I am older and need the smaller lighter bike. Good job !!!
Thank you! Yes these big bore bikes can be really quite a chunk to muscle around! The 890 is a corking bit of kit!
Second or third time I've watched this video really helpful!
Awesome! Thank you!
Great video Sam, I am on a 2018 1260 multistrada and find my knees are bent up when on longer trips but only getting 250KMs means i do get a stretch every 2-3 hours. I follow you and Tim Rodie as you ride this machine. We dont see too many 1290 adventure S here in New Zealand as the R and the GS is dominant. I am 6 foot 3 and think this will probably be my next bike for the hip/knee / handlebar triangle. Keep up the great videos, I really enjoy the tours and tech tips!!
Thank you! One of my followers is from Aus and he mentioned how LONG it took to get the bike after they had been released, so I wonder if that had something to do with why they aren't as common in NZ too!
Thank you for watching!
I'm 6'5" and just got a 2022 1290 S. The seat in the tall position is a dream come true for me.
Great video mate, thanks 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
No problem 👍
This is good to hear sam,iv heard so many bad stories about ktm reliability
That seems to be the running theme but these new bikes are so much better
Excellent review, I bought the previous model and aside from battery issues (not riding in covid) it's just got better and better. Seriously considering keeping it after the 4 Yr pcp is up.
I'm quite attracted by the new one with the weight lower down as I often manoeuvre with a pillion aboard.
Thanks for sharing and lots of food for thought.
Oh, I would Seriously recommend Premier bikes in Oxford for servicing too. Dave in the workshop has been a great help .
Amazing! I've had mixed opinions on if the new model is worth it over the previous for general riding. Obviously a little more tamed with the Euro regs. Having said that, the low tanks make a huge difference in my opinion along with a few other pluses like smoother engine/fueling etc
Thanks for watching!
Great Video Sam, I’m just back from Spain riding over 2500kms through the Pico’s and both sides of the Pyrenees and the SAS didn’t miss a beat and was sublime hitting tight bents and gunning it to the next bend. I can only say I am glad I changed the shit Mitas tyres KTM insist using on new bikes for the Michelin Road 6 tyres which are awesome on the SAS in all conditions and road surfaces. Keep up the great content. Cheers Ben
Thank you!! Haha yes I had a loaner from KTM with them on... I forgot how bad they were!! Ha! Cheers and safe riding 👍🏼
Really enjoyed the video Sam - I’m on my second SAS - no problems with either of them and I do similar mileage to you - my next bike will also be an SAS 👍
Thank you!! Yeah they are amazing things aren't they!
A review not only from the bottom of your hart but also very correct 👍🏻👍🏾
I appreciate that!
Just watched your video and was happy with what I heard. I bought a new 2021 1290 SAS and a 2021 890R. Unfortunately I had the 1290 replaced after 600kms due an electrical gremlin. KTM and the dealer were excellent to deal with regarding this and it took about 3 weeks. Since then both bikes have been awesome and reliable.
So glad to hear you've had a decent dealer experience. That's really the big thing! All of these new bikes are prone to electrical issues so when the dealer looks after you, you're safe! Safe riding!
If a bike had to be replaced at 600kms the next bike isn't going to be reliable. You just don't know what's wrong with it yet.
Bloody hell…I’ll just watch Sam’s video I thought…I’m ready for bed now..
😂😂😂 yeah she's a long one
I really agree with you on the initial installation of all of the options, I'm sure it helps to actually bring the price down overall a little bit by making them all the same. Funny thing about mine a 2023 none of the extras were turned on when I received mine with 0 mi. Good thing I did not try to quick shift😂
Haha yeah it definitely saved me a chunk of money! I've heard a few things like that before. My dealer just enabled everything for me after I had my first service 😂
Quality honest review nice one Sam. Yep, I will see you at ABR. 🏍👍👌
Cheers bud! Yes! See you there!
Thanks
Hill hold only stays on for 6 seconds. Love your work mate! Ride safe.
Haha even worse! Thank you mate, hope you're keeping well
I have rented both SAS and V4S for one day and rode them back to back in Warsaw, when i was working there. Ridden in that totally flat landscape (apart from its premium feel and incredibly beautiful design, that you pay for) Ducati was years ahead in terms of comfort, smoothnes, great acceleration, great engine brake, etc, etc. A true gentleman`s bike imo. Was so blown away with it that I almost bought the V4s with the enduro package that winter. Then, next season, i went again to Austria, for my fourth time in Landeck, at High Bikes (great rental center in W Austria) and rented them again, each for one day. Here, things took a radical turn, with the SAS obliterating the V4s in the alpine hairpins. I was hanging around with guys in race leathers, it was that much of a confidence inspiring bike. I held myself back as I was (1) on a rental bike that (2) had the original Mitas tyres on it (not a big fan of them even if they were far safer than the Pirelli Scorpion Trails on the V4s). There was no situation in which the V4s gave me the confidence of the Ktm. Exactly the opposite. Serious inertia, huge front weight, not as torquey as the SAS, not as light, not as nimble. Yes, far more elegant, confortable and with a better elements protection. A tourer for 2 people, with adv design. It accelerates faster but I will never choose light acceleration over torque (that`s why Im no Africa Twin 1100 fan either). In the Alps, the SAS was behaving like a MagLev. It is, imo, 100% a supermoto tourer. Closest to it? Maybe the 1260 V2 Multistrada. Or, the 1st gen 1290 SAS ? 😊😁
Very good run down! I thought very similar things. The ducati feels more premium and would probably be a better long distance bike but.. id rather save myself £10k and have a slightly less premium feel, but have a massive smile on my face haha!
I got a 2018 12980 SAS really love the bike I have had it for 30.00 km started at 28.000 km on the bike now 50k+. Went to Italy Rome with it from The Netherlands had no issues what so ever. Went for a trip to Germany quite a while later and blew the engine on the front cylinder out of no where on the highway while getting on the highway: Cost 3.500 euro, on of the valve holder broke of and went into the cylinder... Repaired the bike went on another trip worked fine again even beter. Sadly a few months later the back spring started leaking. Even though I love KTM and the raw power this kind of quality makes me want to switch brands..
"I've left the Disclock on". Yup, I've been there. Sam - video was very informative (thank you), but I watched to the end because I thought it was hilarious! You should do Stand Up. Thanks.
Haha! I keep telling my other half I'm funny! Thank you!
Great review Sam! I agree without everything you said. Amazing bikes and put a smile on your face every ride! Well done buddy and enjoy ABR 👍🏼
Cheers bud! Are you heading over to ABR at all?
@@SamVBikes unfortunately not! 😢. It always falls on the Mrs b’day so it’ll be divorce. I did try and say it’s not just bikes there is music aswell 😂, if looks could kill ….
Hahaha! You'll have to slowly introduce her to bikes as a way of you both bonding better as a couple. "I think it will bring us closer together. I've always thought I'd like our relationship to be as strong as *insert her arch enemy and husbands name here* "
I'm sure that will go down well and won't end up in a worse situation ha!
😂😂, she would say take the arch enemy! She came on a skidoo about 15 years ago and said she’ll never go on anything again. I may on got a bit bonkers 😂
Hahaha! Emma rarely wants to go on the back of mine after I put ACC on with her on the back... 70mph odd coming up behind traffic and pretended I hadn't seen it... never been slapped and sworn as so much in my life 😂😂
Thank you for what I can only describe as an amazing video. Truly informative. Saturday just gone, I was knocked off my bright red GSA (yeah.... SMIDSY.... Go figure). It's likely to be written off, and I have a soft spot for these with concern that the bike is my only mode of transport currently. So it's needs to work.
Thank you.
Thank you very much! Sorry to head about your accident! Shocks me that people still manage to miss a big bike in a bright colour!
Good vid Sam i had ktm adventure everybody said have you plenty of tools, good breakdown cover, i did not have any problems in over 24000mil one of the best bikes I have ever owned, and like you say most have the same electronics.
Thank you bud!
France resident and 7K km on the clock. Agree, concur and YES! The screen is too low, but like you I have added a deflector. Don't use the rally mode much - can't see the need; love the pre-load for handling (jack up to 78/80% for front-end feel); dash / GUI is awesome, but the dip / shortcut button are easy to hit with big gloves. Standard (Mitas) tryes are not the best - Conti Roadattack are awesome. Chain slap relates to noise - had a load of bikes with chains (and shaft) and the 1290 chain slap is not really an issue I feel. After owning loads of bikes (last 3 were 1200 Tigers) and with IAM advanced qual, lots of riding and blood running, this is the most complete bike that I have owned. It is a very competent, engaging and exciting bike, which I am very much enjoying! Great advice on the side stand and your other niggles - my fuel cap did not open a few times but I think that was me.
Thank you Sam, you are a rockstar.
Thank you! I agree! The Rally Mode for me essentially lets me to set up the bike in the way I want and leave it like that!
Haha yes the fuel cap is something that took me a few times to realise the screen needed to turn off first before it would open!
I'm happy you love the bike so much! Thank you for watching
Great review Sam, detailed, honest and objective. Its an increadible bike and you have proved its reliable too.
Thank you as always mate! I'm really tempted to hit 100k miles with it as a finger up to those who question them haha
@@SamVBikes I was thinking it would be a great project for the channel to see how long it goes and stays reliable. I reckon north of 100k is possible with regular servicing. I have heard so many mixed stories about ktm reliability but you're proving them wrong 👍 great work mate 👍
Get myself a project bike to replace the monkey next year, and keep the KTM running! I bet its possible!
@@SamVBikes that's what my Interceptor is for but, crazily, insurance is proving awkward. It seems to be that because my other 2 bikes are old and the interceptor is newer, it's good reason to charge an extra £200+ which is crazy!
@@SamVBikes what project do you fancy? I was planning on using the interceptor as a base to go to town on mods
You advised me to watch so I have. Brilliant and convinced me to buy one.
Haha I like it! Thanks for watching
I managed to sit through the whole vid in one go. Well done like your style.@@SamVBikes
Solid effort!! Thank you!
Great video bud, thanks. Just asked the question in Triumph dealer for the valve clearance service.....£1200 now ! 😮
Thank you pal! Ouuchh!!! Really?! I just had my 36k mile valves done. It needed shims, and I had tyres supplied and fitted all for £1143! Still a big dent in the wallet though
Hi Sam,
Just watched this and totally agree with everything you covered. Had mine 15 months and 10K miles, I had a coolant leak from new which turned out to be the water pump housing but was covered under warranty without issue.
Balance of the chassis for two up u-turns is incredible, the power for one up off the throttle fun and games is all of the awesome, I love it.
I'm off to France, Germany, Austria, Dolomites and back over the French Alps in August and cannot wait.
My only two niggles (neither of which are deal breakers) is that with a 34" inside leg I do find it a bit cramped, even with the taller Ergo seat and plating on the fasteners is cheaper than cheap.
She's a keeper!
Thank you bud!
Yeah its a cracking bit of kit isn't it. I'm surprised that I still love it this far in. The Tracer had me contemplating other bikes a year in, but I just have no real desire to have anything else in that sector on the market. Maybe a Tuono V4 but that's an addition to the garage haha!
Enjoy that trip! Sounds incredible. We did a France trip earlier this year and it was just everything I'd want the bike to be.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome information.
omg, the part about the KTM owners is SPOT ON!!! i've had a couple of issues on my 2016 1290...i dont give a damn. its something that can happen to any bike.
thank you for your long term review, its actually very useful for me, since i am planning on getting one of these amazing 2023 white 1290, to replace my old white 1290 lol
what can i say, i am a fan of white KTM's lol!!!
Haha! It's very true isn't it! No idea why people don't just enjoy them!!
No problem at all! Hope you enjoy it!
Excellent review.
Thanks for watching
Very nice review, thank you.
Many reviewers aren't very technical because they're just your average rider that aren't mechanically educated.
Like you said, I wish there was a shaft drive version. Maybe something primarily suited for road use and secondary off road, with a much lower seat height. I'm mostly a street rider who wants to occasionally get on the unpaved roads.
The KTM power for the price is what I find attractive.
Thank you! That seems like a big market which a lot of brands are only just starting to cover. So a shaft drive for on road, and chain for the off road version would work well I'd say! It's definitely a huge amount of bike for the money, especially if you get it on a deal!
Nice and complete 30.000 video review of your KTM. And obviously you recommend the machine. I had a SDGT and it was fun and lively a real fulfilling ride…till it wasn’t. But I had dealership poor support issues, it was my first bike with them and I felt they wouldn’t care enough for my claims. So I sold it. But at least I had one KTM and besides what I mentioned, the bike itself was very good in deed.
You mentioned that the GS is heavy and lacks power…can’t agree to that. The engine 1250cc has loads of torque, so, the bike feels light and responsive. For me, it’s an incredible well balanced machine. Top end speed wise, if it were a requirement KTM has the SDGT and BMW has the S1000RR or the XR. Having all things at the same time on one bike off-road capabilities included, seems a little too much to aspire. And the best should be having two bikes, of course ( or more…If I could I would have several, because every brand have their strong points and very interesting products as a whole that a bike is).
I don’t trash the name of the brand, never did, and never will. I don’t see the value in that.
What’s important is that each one finds the machine that satisfies their needs and Brands preferences aside, there are a lot of options on the Market to accomplish that goal. People sometimes want impossible things and naturally they’re never satisfied. But that has nothing to do with bikes.
Thanks for sharing the experience but I already knew that KTM bikes are worth it, for sure. The myths, are a human thing, a natural tendency that people love to feed on, and knowing that everything is somehow imperfect, you are able to choose by your own and by personal experience, avoiding a lot of misleading presumptions, what you really believe is the best for you.
Thanks again and bring up more content to the channel because it’s always a pleasure to watch and we can always learn something from it. Be well ✌️✌️
Thank you! Sorry to hear about your dealership experience but its great to hear that you had a good experience with your SDGT!
The GS comment was just some jest between myself and some followers with the BMW's. I think the GS is a fantastic bike, and it does everything very well, but it's just friendly banter between people owning brands!
Thank you for taking the time to write such an in depth comment too, it's really appreciated! Ride safe!
Hey Sam, just to let you know dude, i use to ride 1200gs. I have watched your review, and i am now a happy owner of a 1290S 🤣
😂😂😂 welcome to team orange 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Cheers Sam. New to your channel. Got a new SAS being picked up next week and you've put a lot of uneasiness at bay... Well all of it tbh!😅
Hey! Thanks for the Super Thanks! You're my first!
Congratulations on the bike bud! Hope you love it as much as I do! You still get the Friday afternoon bikes bit these Gen3s are soo much better!
Great review! I've been following you since you bought it, and I think you've sold me on KTM. I don't take long enough trips to justify an adventure bike, but I'm seriously considering swapping the S1000RR in for a Super Duke. KTM support in the US still seems a bit wonky compared to the UK (only 1 year of warranty instead of 2), but hopefully nothing will go wrong.
Edit: I''m starting to sound like whining KTM guy without even having bought the bike yet! I'm sure there's nothing to worry about, I just wish we got the longer warranty and stuff like the extra trade-in bonus in the US.
Thank you!
Haha! You're fine, it's always good to be hesitant about some bits. Personally with the SuperDukes, I would go for the newest models (evo etc). The first round of Gen3 bikes had the same wiring loom/switch gear of the Gen2 model which was known to be a little more buggy. Blank screens, leaking switchgear, etc. So if you're thinking about a swap, go new (if you can), or maybe wait until the updated SDR comes out hopefully later this year
I have a 19 1290 Adventure s , 26000 trouble free miles. Just basic maintenance and 18000 mile major service. On second chain and sprockets . Lots of tires and oil changes. Had a 15 KTM 1190 r and put 44000 trouble free , traded it in for the 19 S . Just replaced my first battery, 6-13-23
Amazing bud! Sounds like you've had a really good experience
Loved the video and I think it was very informative! I’we got the same 1290SAS 22’ and did you mension the quickshifter that’s included in the techpack? Brilliant when we ride aggressively! But not that good when riding ”slow” but then again not needed when cruising. Downwards it’s perfect when going into a roundabout just ”click” one or 2 times down..! 🧡
Thank you! Yes Quickshifter is in the Tech Pack, but you can obviously spec it separately. Yes it's very good, but sometimes a bit clunky going slow!
Just say no to shaft drive. Chains and sprockets last 20k miles or more and cost $200 to replace (and is usually an easy DIY). Shaft drives are heavy, still require maintenance, and when they fail (they do fail) they cost thousands.
On the R1250GS BMW changes the shaft at 60000 km, but for free. On the new 1300 they change the shaft at 80000 km, but the owner has to pay!😮
Look at Mongrel Dog Productions. Took him near 100K of hard riding in the outback to replace the driveshaft on his GS.
Shaft drives are very Easy to mantain and chainging the oil Is super Easy and cheap. And there's no need to lubricate the Chaín every 500 kms, so you save a Lot of money in Chain lubricants too. With the correct mantainance and proactive services Shaft drives are very reliable and long lasting options.
Yamaha shaft drives are extremely reliable compared to bmw, beats chain and sprockets easily
Well done great report & great 30k miles
The bike is absolutely awesome albeit you didn't mention the remap/tune & difference that has made
Same as you with my SDGT, no issues other than some electronic gremlins messages
Some exciting new bikes coming on the market, might need more than 1 bike 😅
Thank you!
I've got a vid coming up going over all of my mods which will include the remap overview, but the bikes going to get a few more mods thrown at it, so thought I would wait until after that!
Haha I know the feeling. Wondering if we can deal without heating in the house so I can afford another one in the garage!
Good Job Sam!!! 🙂
Thanks! 😃
Very nice video…. Watched all of it. 😊
Thank you!
Hi Sam,
My 1290 SAS has now 17‘000km and it’s a lot of fun.
The negative details you mentioned I have seen these, too, but after getting used to it, who really cares?
The important things are the outstanding engine, the excellent suspension, the very comfortable ACC, etc.
I only once had an issue and it was my fault: very first ride out in spring, the battery was super weak, and unfortunately I switched the engine off shortly after leaving home. But I had a charger in the top case, and after 40‘ charging at a local shop, it started again, and later that day I fully charged the battery for a few hours No issues at all sice then! Very reliable bike in my view.
I can’t speak for others, but some of my BMW friends (we are crossing the Alps, doing long tours together) seem to have more technical issues than I.
All the best 😀
Hey!
You're 1000% correct! Enjoy the bike and don't worry about it! Seems like some people forget that though!
A weak battery is the killer of a lot of these new bikes so not surprised that was an issue. I've stopped using chargers and that helped but when you need to charge it, a good charger goes a long way!
Ride safe and thanks for watching!
Just got a new GT and love it. Agree with you on KTM whiners!! I'll follow you due to your down to earth review common sense approach to the biking scene.
Congrats on the new bike! Haha those whiners really bug me, probably more than they should!
Appreciate that too, means a lot
Great video man, you covered everything in thorough detail. It’s helping anyone considering one of these or one of the competitors.
I own a Street Triple RS and I completely agree with the issues and servicing cost your friend who owns a Tiger 1200.
At the end of the day all of the bikes are machines, there’s no guarantee that every single product off the assembly line is going to work without any faults. All of these bikes have become so good in their own way, really it just comes down to what makes you most happy.
Thanks to your video, I’m considering getting 1290SAS as it offers hooliganism/touring/city suitability.
Thank you mate! Yeah that's exactly it. All of these new bikes are so full of tech too which is bound to go wrong at some point! Ride what makes you happy!
Love a street RS too! Great choice 💪🏼
Used to have an 1190S. Loved it, but drank the kook-aid and bought a 2018 1200 GSA. Again, I love the bike, but I just miss my KTM. The power is so animalistic compared to my Beamer. So I'm picking up my new 2022 1290 R this weekend and the Beamer is for sale.
Haha that power is addictive isn't it? Even though the GS isn't much slower, there's something about how the KTM delivers the power! Congrats on the new bike!!
Just subscribed. Love your style and your take on the p*ss 'n moaners. I have a 790 Duke, brilliant but I need a tourer and this is the bike I'll be getting.
Thank you mate! Love the 790 but you're looking in the right direction for touring! Thanks for watching!
I have a 2018 25000 mile SAS which I’ve tailored to suit me over the years. Bar end mirrors, handlebar risers, Givi screen and an Air Hawk seat pad. I’ve been looking for my next bike for a few months and come away from test rides realising that the bike I really want is the one I already own. The bike has been faulty free, but I stretched the chain at 18,000 miles after which the low speed chatter was unpleasant, and the battery comments in this video are bang on. I stupidly fitted a smaller battery which resulted in starting issues and electronics warnings. If the bike does a lot of short journeys a trickle charger is essential, but then it’s a big V twin that takes a fair bit of cranking. My problem is that I’d like a lighter bike with a bit more off-road usability but which does highways well too. The KTM does the rough stuff, but it’s a big old beast and hard work in some situations. I guess it will have to be be two bikes rather than a change.
I just ordered a Triumph 900 Rally, but the KTM isn’t going anywhere, apart from Skye in the morning in celebration of Bonnie Scotland.
Yup chain slap per spec is spot on. A tad tighter is a world of a difference. Gearbox is way smoother.
Makes for a much smoother quickshifter too!
I have had some weird battery issues with my 2022 1290 SAS but I swapped it out almost a year ago for a Lithium battery. No issues and no problems even when I don't ride it for a few weeks.
I've literally just replaced my battery too as I started getting slow starts and the odd preload warning. Didn't go lithium as I saw about 50/50 on if they were better in the cold UK weather! Glad yours is sorted!
We'll done!
Hi Sam, I agree on the interface. As a graphic designer and having tested other adventure brands, KTM wins hands down.
Nice to have a professional agree with me haha! It's so simple and intuitive!
Have mine for an year now. It did not started when it was -40C during Winter.
Other that, I love the bike! Lolol😂😂😂😂
Haha! I don't think many things would start in that temp! Including me 😂😂
Great video. Glad to here you had a good one.
Just one note Triumphs are 10k mile services now
Thank you!
Ahh good to know. The 900's are still 6k I believe but didn't know that about the 1200's
The previous 1200 model was 10k service interval too. The 900’s are 6k because of the small oil capacity due to the shallower sump.
Thanks for this detailed run down as I did consider the KTM and May do again.
Pan America services are every 5k miles around £305 no valve clearance as hydraulic!
ARH is fabulous and power similar to Tiger 1200 and your KTM loves to be revved.
The owners just like KTM love to Facebook decimate the bike but in the main a fab bike like the KTM.
Great job on doing 30k in two years and remember the Bridgenorth road is not for novices 😂
Do love a PanAm! When I bought this they had only just been released but definitely a great bit of kit.
Thank you!
@@SamVBikes yes the Pan America is a fabulous bike and so much fun I ride fast as my son has a 765RS so no ride is slow
I have the older version 2020 model, it had a rear shock failure 2 mths out of warranty at 9K miles, fortunately, the KTM picked up the entire cost, as soon as I could prove that the services had been done by a franchised dealer. I have just done almost 2000miles in Germany 2-up with full luggage, the bike never missed a beat, I love it 😄
Great video by the way 😄
Amazing! That's good going that they replaced it out of warranty! Thank you!
Very nice review. 100% agree with everything said….
Thank you 💪🏼
fantastic video SAM !!! , I'm a 1250 gsa owner , i have tested the new 1300 gs , and didn't really like it it feels like a girls bike , my GSA it's faultless so far 22 000 kilometers , but i'm really considering to buy this one as next bike , but agian brilliant video !!! greetings from bavaria ,
( if you ever in Germany drop me a message ill show you German Alps )
Thank you!! It's definitely a contender now for many people which is great to hear! Safe riding
Love your content you made many valid points! BMW 1250gs needs more power however i guess they keep it that way to sell the XR 1000
Thank you! Yes I thought that would be the case. Although the new M1000XR will mean they can bump up the power of the GS I assume
The XR1000 is a totally different bike than the GS and SAS or SAR. It needs to be ridden at very high rpms otherwise nothing exciting happens. It lacks the torque down low. It's more of a track day machine than anything else and thus, not practical at all.
Really good and complete review!!! Can you confirm the good handling in the tight corners and slow speed? Thanks
Thank you! Yes! One of the best handling big adventure bikes I've ridden, and slow speed is very balanced
I'm a former recent 1290 SAS MY21 owner. Full disclosure, I absolutely loved the bike itself, the thumping torque, the engine character, the handling, genuinely really loved it.
However, my overall experience of being a KTM customer left a lot to be desired. First issue was a major coolant leak that took 3 separate attempts\trips, an argument with the dealer and a recovery truck for them to acknowledge it, find it and fix at just 2k miles on the bike. Half the cooling system had to be replaced. Next issue was the indicator button pinged off from the switchgear whilst I was joining an A road, they had to replace the entire switchgear cluster on the left and remove all the tank to access the wiring. Costly job for such a small problem thankfully covered under warranty.
My local dealer (whose reputation wasn’t great anyway) then went bust and closed its doors for good so my new nearest local dealer was then and still is 40 miles away… -_-
Final problem occurred at 4.5k miles where the clutch began to slip under full throttle at around 70mph ish. Phoned my new KTM dealer who said “That’s funny, another customer has just phoned this morning with the same problem, same bike, year and mileage…. And we had another one a few weeks ago..” What a coincidence lol..!! A clutch might be a wear & tear part, but they should not be failing after 4.5k miles of normal road use.
That was the last straw for me as I had a 2000 mile tour coming up and had lost all faith in the bike to get me through that trip without ruining it.
I thought I was about to be rid of this headache but selling the bike then became an issue in itself… Spoke to 2 main KTM dealers and they wouldn’t even give me a price for the bike, just said “not interested in used stock.” Bear in mind this is in April, a time when most dealers want to stock up for the summer buying rush… The one KTM dealer gave some me friendly advice and said, “try speaking to Jordan Bikes Leeds, they are currently on a buying spree to stock up for summer and should give you a good price.” Phew, I thought... Phoned them, spoke to the sales manager, he said “it’s true, we are interested in used bikes… BUT NOT KTM’s…” (holy s**t ?!?! Was my next thought..) When I asked why, his reply was “we don’t know what is happening with KTM’s parts manufacturing at the moment, but they are just having too many issues” So even with 6 months warranty left on my bike, 3 dealers wouldn’t even give me a price on it in the run up to summer… I was genuinely blown away.
Luckily BMW gave me a ‘reasonable price’ in part-ex against a nearly new well known adventure bike so managed to wash my hands of it, ready for my trip.
Issues with bike’s and cars happen, it’s just part of life and owning them but it’s how those issues are handled which makes the difference. When buying brand new, and at a premium for a European brand, that sort of experience just isn’t good enough. Cannot see myself ever owning another KTM road bike anytime soon with their current dealer setup coupled with their reputation for electrical\mechanical faults and thus poor residuals, which is a real shame because the bikes they make are awesome in their design and character and I would love to have owned more in the future. Not intended to be a moan, just sharing an honest timeline of my experience as an owner.
Hey! Thanks for the breakdown and sorry to hear you've had such a crap time of KTM dealers.
I've never known a dealer down this way to not even give a price on a used bike. Even at the end of summer when they are wanting to get rid of stock, they are still at least giving a price.
The KTM dealer network is so hit and miss for their quality and some just don't seem to care at all. I do hope that there are bigger brands that buy dealers as a network similar to how BMW, Triumph, HD etc do it.
Did they do anything about the clutch out of interest? I agree that it shouldn't be happening but I do see both sides of the story, but having said that, I don't think that nothing should be done. An effort to meet somewhere in the middle if KTM UK won't honour the warranty on it. Glad to hear most of your issues were replaced under warranty even if it took some fight!
@@SamVBikes The dealer was prepared to do the clutch under warranty on the basis that multiple customers have come in, all with very early clutch failures (circa 5k miles) which makes a solid case that points to a poor quality\faulty part.
That's the other thing I noticed about KTM dealers Vs KTM head office, whenever I had these problems the dealers would always say things along the lines of "I'll see what KTM says" as if they had to do battle with KTM in a court room with barristers and make a highly compelling case for a warranty claim to the jury lol. Never seen this type of charade from any other bike or car dealer before, even jap bike dealers.
I'm sat there thinking "see what they say?!?" the bike is pissing coolant down the side of the engine, don't worry about 'what they say', it's clearly a defect, please fix it and send them the bill lol.
A good manufacturer in such a niche industry should bend over backwards to look after and keep their customers, not penny pinch over warranty claims on 1 or 2 year old bikes with their dealers. I really did it find it comical at times...
Anyhow, I wish the experience was different and I wish could either have kept my bike or even brought myself to buy another new KTM but the whole thing left me feeling totally disillusioned with them as brand and pushed my tolerance too far considering how much money I spent.
Your dealers down south must be a better bunch especially with you managing 30k miles. I'd have hyper tension and no hair after 30k miles if things carried on the way they were going... 😂
Harper - I’m experiencing the same with my clutch at 6k miles 2021 model. KTM do not want to know. Very disappointed. Their attitude is appalling. Not the first time I’ve heard of their shite customer service
Hi Sam, great video and love your channel! I have owned 3 BMW GS' over the last 10 years, never had any issues. Your channel (and some other) eventually convinced me and end march this year I bought a 2021 1290 SAS like yours and have loved every second of it! Washed the bike on Saturday and now it won't even switch the screen on!! with ABR festival right around the corner I now have a very expensive bike in my garage that doesn't work. If only they were reliable! Starting to quickly fall out of love with this thing!!
Hey! Thank you!
Have you spoken to KTM about it? They will normally arrange to collect the bike if it's not ride-able. Check your key battery, make sure you have pressed the button on the key (in case you have the key-safe mode on), and if not, get the spare and hold it up to the backup key area on the bike to see if that's the issue.
Hopefully its just that - I assume you didnt get too happy with the jetwasher! A mate of mine has a GSA and had a huge amount of ESA problems and all sorts since washing it literally over the last few weeks!