Thank you, I want to make more examples like this. I found this one of the hardest parts learning the Zettelkasten method myself. It's been a bit of trail and error but I'm starting to feel my workflow is getting in a good place.
I really appreciate you video. I've been learning the Zettlekasten Method for a about a 2 days now, however I was not certain how to implement my starting point. From your video I realized that there is no particular method to start. I just started writing down little thoughts that came to my head and I realized that expanded on those. I was even taking zettles on your video... thanks
Hey, thank you so much for this video. It's nice to have this concept explained so clearly. I'll be honest I read the "How to take smart notes" book but really felt at a loss for how to practically implement this method, so this video is an amazing resource. Great work!
the depest and the best explanation from all youtube ....really!! thats the thing...you was the only one that got throght the most import... you just didnt treat like a process...
Subbed when I discovered your tutorial on Obsidian yesterday as I'm currently reading Ahrens' How to Take Smart Notes. I want to tell you how much I appreciate the work and effort you put into these videos; they're awesome and really helpful! I honestly feel excited to enroll for the next semester and use Zettelkasten to approach my studying better. Cheers!
Just finished watching this and the take-away for me is to start being more intentional with my Obsidian notes, especially with keeping them as small as possible.
Huge thanks for taking the time to do this. I read the book Smart Notes, but as others have mentioned, was still left groping about for specifics on how-to/what-to. Your first video solidified for me the vital concepts of the book, while this one really helped me to know how to use Obsidian to implement. You're a certified rock star in my book (which is marinating its merry way to fruition now, apparently, in the second brain I acquired thanks to Obsidian)
@@amiramohammedi85 The book might help, but it’s very high level and you still need to figure out hours to apply it. I’m writing a workbook myself to help here. Will hopefully be released in Feb. You’re welcome to check it out and get an email when it’s released here: atomicnotetaking.com
Thanks! Great start to how to take notes with this system. I had started to look at Obsidian before, but watching this I decided to start my note-taking (in Obsidian) while watching. I think I've currently got a big note that wouldn't fit on a card, but it's a start. :-) One of the things I'd like to know more about is different systems of processing the notes/knowledge. I've watched someone's video on a similar topic, but not sure where that as now. Anyway, cheers again - looking forward to more of your content! (I've jumped on the Flowtelic list as well.) :-)
thank you thank you. Just covering the basics is what I neeed. I read HTTSM last winter and have been struggling to find a set of tech tools to start doing. I almost thought just creating files on my hard drive would be enough and use the file search tools to work with them... seeing all the Obsidian info getting so complex I became intimidated to attempt using it.
Looking forward to getting your Flowetelic app! I am on your email list now :) Thank you so much for making a detailed video with the step-by-step examples!
Thanks! You can play with the app right now if you want. There’s the join.flowtelic.com waitlist, but you’ll get a link to the app immediately. Still early days but you can see how I use it myself from these videos.
"Introduction to smart notes with Obsidian".... Opens Obsidian 35 minutes in 😂 In all honesty though, really enjoyed this video. Thanks for making it. Trying to unpack the use cases to figure out how to apply to all the projects and things I'm doing.
Obsidian isn't a rare element but lava rock, as common as dirt. Obsidian is a naturally occurring volcanic glass that forms when lava cools rapidly with minimal crystal growth. This app is called Obsidian because early man used Obsidian to make hand cutting tools and arrowheads for thousands of years, and that's what they want our notes to last, forever because they are in simple text markdown format.
Really good video. Like the others I too appreciated the practical examples. How do you research the notes you made? For example if you want to summon all the notes related to a topic/ context? Also how do you know if a related note is a fleeting note or literature or permanent?
Great question. The workflow I like is to first have my raw fleeting notes on a given book/article/video, etc. Then ideally I would start to move these to literature notes, where they are small atomic notes, rewritten in my own words and understanding. If I can't do that, then I haven't fully understood the source material. I might mention/link other notes that I think it relates to. Finally, I would move it to my permanent notes. This is where I consider the wider set of notes from ALL books/articles/videos which I've studied before. So I might start reworking the notes in a more holistic way, addressing contradictions from other sources, etc. Once you have this workflow in place, if you now want to study from your own notes, then this is where I find Maps of Content really helpful. Here I can outline my understanding of a topic and link the notes like an outline which help explain that topic. The great thing here is that I can create any type of topic or even question, link the notes that help me answer it. For example, I might have a MoC titled "Effects exercise has on sleep", then link all the notes that are related. I like to form things in terms of questions, and see where my current understanding from my permanent notes can help answer it. It'll either be sufficient, or show the gaps in my understanding where I need to seek some more research. I hope that helps give an overview. Feel free to join our community (go.meda.io/community) to ask more questions and and others can help chip in with their take on it too. Signup link is meda.io/community/join
Thank you for the video, for academic papers do you recommend a note per paper or as many notes as ideas you get out of the paper? I guess the recommendation in the book is for 3-4 notes/day and I think you mentioned 6/day.
I personally would do one fleeting note paper, multiple literature notes from that where I’m putting the info in my own words and understanding, then many permanent notes when adding it to my existing slip box where I can link it to existing notes in my slip box.
Hi Martin, I am new to Zettlekasten .I am keen to explore Obsidian as my future notetaking system. Do you suggest to get used to the Zettlekasten by using analog method and only when i progress, I can transfer all analog notes into digital like obsidion?
Yes, I believe it does. The writing aspect of creating notes is to help you with your thinking. Whether you write for others or not doesn't really make a difference for your own learning. I find that as you learn and understand more, you'll be more likely to want to bring it up in conversation or use that knowledge in some way. Having your notes easily accessible and your ideas well thought through can be hugely beneficial here. So in short, absolutely, it can help you from books and articles you read for you own learning.
Here's a question... I study art. Would a note about a painting be a "literature" note? I feel like an artwork is the atomic unit of a note, but it's unclear to me. Just curious what your opinion is...
Here's how I would approach it. If you're observing a painting and making a list of observations, ideas as they happen during the observation (much like as you read a book), then these I would say are "literature" notes. The individual concepts and ideas can then be broken down into smaller atomic "permanent" notes, linked to other notes that are relevant and placed in the slip box. This means that one painting can be organised in various places in your slipbox. These may be broken down into subject, story, technique, materials, composition. Other paintings of similar compositions may be grouped together where you can make newer, larger observations, such as discovering if a certain type of composition sparks a specific type of emotion. This is a really great question and has given me some further thoughts on how to take one topic and organising/linking it together in the slip box.
great video! I am just getting started with the topic and having a practical example is gold! thank you. so now I am wondering, should I go with obsidian or use your app? your UX already feels great and I like how you set up the filtering. As a visual person, will you add a graph view or something similar at some point or how do you explore and make notes discoverable?
Thank you Fabian. So I've got some plans of where to go next. Once the server sync feature is launched, I'm going to jump back in and make the editor/layout/navigation experience much better. Ideas I have are to launch as a desktop app and point a collection to your Obsidian vault so you can use both simultaneously (plus have sync support via Flowtelic). As for graph view, this is quite a popular feature and I've been exploring the libraries to use to make it easy to implement. It's a long road, but I'm excited to keep innovating!
@@Martin_Adams very cool! if you like some help regarding ux / ui let me know! id be keen to help out in such an interesting project! I run a small UX / UI Agency and be happy to support (mostly for selfish reasons as I really like to use it :-) although you are doing a great job from what I can see.
It was so difficult to find an actual example. Would absolutely love if you could show how you'd approach learning any new tech with this method. Say, for example, streaming
I have idea to apply the Zettelkasten method to learning programming and maybe other tech items. Hard to judge what the most valuable topic would be, and also needs to be something I either feel I can add value teaching, or I want to learn it myself. But thanks for the suggestion.
Great video, one of the best I've found on youtube. However, I'm kinda disappointed in how little thought you gave it to the Zettelkasten Method, even though you explained it, I think you didn't cover enough content in that regard. I hope you make a video where you merely focus on the Zettelkasten method cuz there aren't many (good) videos on youtube talking about this topic. Again, great video, keep up the good content! EDIT: I found 2 AMAZING videos this guy has made. They fill in those gaps I was mentioning in my comment.
Thank you Sebastian, do make sure you check out the more recent videos on the channel. I’ve been going deeper into the Zettelkasten method specifically which might go some way to filling those gaps.
Is it the link in the description? TH-cam seem pretty broken for some reason. I get the same in Google Chrome (works in Firefox) and works if I copy and paste the link. I'm not sure what's up really. Try this one: join.flowtelic.com
I find myself writing fleeting and literature notes and for many words within those notes I make a link that, for the moment, would be empty but want to expand on in the near future. The problem I have is that I have a bunch of fleeting notes like these with all kinds of links to empty words/concepts I want to expand on but haven't yeat. And now, I cannot see the utility of this system yet. HELP!
This can be tricky. One thing you can do is rather than link lots of words, is to create a map of content for that word and link in the notes you do have complete. Another think you can do is use hashtags to represent the placeholder note. I think there is a way to filter them out of the graph view so that becomes more useful. Or you can have a folder just for placeholders and move them across when you have some substance to the notes. I find my system has the same, but I view it as part of the workflow rather than an issue. Hope that helps!
@@Martin_Adams Thank you for your prompt response, Martin! Hashtags to represent the placeholder note? Could you give me an example? This sounds like a great possible solution!
@@Martin_Adams OH! Now I get it !! Of course! Great idea! Thank you, Martin!! I will implement this immediately!! As for note taking. I guess I have for months only been taking Fleeting notes and hyper-connecting these instead of actually forming permanent atomic notes that live one isolated idea at a time.. That's what I have been erring on.
I don't any more. I like to keep them there and have your literature and permanent notes reference your fleeting notes. Generally you'll find your fleeting notes reference the original material you've researched. So having that full audit chain of original text, to notes, to ideas in your Zettelkasten means you can keep on top of where your ideas are originating from. That's just my personal preference. You could archive them in some way though so it doesn't clutter up your app, but being able to follow the reference chain can be helpful, especially if you need to cite your courses in an publication of some sort.
Can you think if a way you could use mind maps with this because writing isn't always necessary for thought. Many of the mind mapping programs can link between.
Obsidian has a way to view your notes as a graph, but not necessarily a way to create the notes in a graph format. The thing to be mindful when using mind maps is whether you can only branch down to lower levels, or whether you can cross-references different parts of the tree. The Zettelkasten essentially allows anything to anything, where as a mind map is a tree structure and is more rigid. That said, you might enjoy something like Roam Research or Logseq which is an outliner and you can do the cross reference. So in a way, you can create your ideas as you would a mind map, and have the flexibility to link to anything in your tree.
Is there any literature that explains the Zattelkasten process using normal English rather than the none intuitive vocabulary, such as "second brain", "knowledge management system", slip box, "smart notes system", "fleeting notes", "Literature notes" (Permanent Notes is an intuitive phrase) etc., that appears to be the lingua franca of TH-cam presentations on this subject?
That’s a really good question. I haven’t come across anything that would be ‘Zettelkasten’ without using the terminology. That said, could make a great video to teach the workflow but using familiar terms.
Obsidian is beautiful and useful instrument, but him sintacsis has a differences from classical markdown sintacsis. For example, it's a differences in links sintacsis, differences in insert of pictures and some minor differences. So the notes are displayed incorrect in other software, and links work incorrect, and pictures not displayed, and format sometime displayed incorrect etc. I need other software for using my notes on mobile platform, because i want have my notes with me always. And this is a problem for notes, make in Obsidian. I try use him, but now i use classical markdown, and my notes are displayed correctly on all platforms and are independent of software. Graph of notes - it's cool and beautiful, but versatility is more important to me.
This is a classic technology problem. The [[ ]] link format is becoming more and more popular. So if you're looking to find compatibility across different software, some may do better than others. Obsidian do have a mobile app now which might make it a little easier to use the Obsidian features on different devices.
I use them for different project. I have a vault for work things where the markdown files get shared with other members of the team. This is naturally different to notes of a personal nature. I also like to split out things like technical notes from my 'second brain' which has more content about science, psychology, philosophy etc. The technical notes can be more of a reference of how to do something, rather than ideas and connections to other ideas.
I appreciate your comments on this one. I take a very simple stance on this. It's important for me to help others gain mastery and fulfillment through a passion for knowledge. I also have a passion for building my own app which I think will help others in the long term. If that app helps support me to create more content to help as many people as possible, I'm okay with that. The only commitment I will make is to not say negative things about the competition and let you all make your own mind up which software works best for you.
Not at the moment as I like clean file names to describe the content. That said, I will be exploring the pros and cons of ids in your notes and will share my findings once I have a better insight.
@@Martin_Adams ids basically allows to be software agnostic and to not depend on any given app on the long run. Ids are ugly and awkward but they should keep links intact between notes no matter the software you're using to manage them
I am a boy vietnamese, Thank you ! today I know this from fanpage about reading on the kindle paper white. I have been finding this app for a long time, because I read a lot of books and take notes on A4 papers, now it is more papers which is written. Now I want to search easily and fastly. I don't know you understand this my comment, because I am learning English Language, Again, thank you very much.
@@Martin_Adams wow , there is a new word : note- taking , It is a verb. ^^ ( after some days, I say it that is wrong, the right is note- taking which is a noun, not verb ) - I have fixed my comment.
Hey. Yeah so the #, ##, etc, these are markdown formats. It should be something like this… # Heading level 1 ## Heading level 2 ### Heading level 3 #hashtag (no space after the hash) [example.com/link-to-somewhere] [example.com/link-to-somewhere](Label for the link) [[Internal link to another file]] - these are the internal bi-directional links between notes
@@Martin_Adams wow thanks, at the moment I am note-taking about English Grammar. Ex: you fell sleep, did you ? ( I take note " didn't you" is a tag question, and I drive " tag question" into a place ( a file have name " 3 questions") , a tag question in 3 questions, I don't know how to locate directtly a right sentence " tag questions". I know [[3 questions]], but I don't know how to take note a right place about tag question which in file "3 question ". Would I know from your idea ? Thanks you first.
Thanks for your comment James. This only leaves me with two question. 1. Did you get better at using Obsidian and the use of smart notes? 2. Was it a good ad? Did it pique your interest in what I'm working on with Flowtelic?
With mind mapping apps you shouldn't have to worry about messiness due to hyperlinks which can be assed alond side drawn linksand the info also comes from your brain so you have made first saw obsian in videos by the mind map guy who also usedscalot more scentnce writing than symbols and pics I would use in note take with my biology /science background . My most recent example is looking at how waste the climate crisis and 6th mass extiintion interact.
Sorry you felt this had nothing to do with Obsidian. Putting aside that I’m absolutely, and shamelessly plugging my own app, what would you have liked to see done differently for what you were looking for? Constructive feedback is always welcome.
@@Martin_Adams I would suggest that an improvement might be to work out the flow of your video before hand so you don't have to stop and fumble or back up. This is not awful, but I clicked ahead to get to the information.
Finally someone who also goes through an example instead of just explaining the concept. Thank you very much!
Thank you, I want to make more examples like this. I found this one of the hardest parts learning the Zettelkasten method myself. It's been a bit of trail and error but I'm starting to feel my workflow is getting in a good place.
I definitely agree with you. I've been trying to figure out how to start my Zettlekasten.
Lol so true. I just came from several other videos where I had to stop myself from saying "Show me ffs!!"
I think this is the most complete video on the subject on TH-cam. Thanks for the informations!
Not a fancy video, but the guy really understands the thing.
Native german speaker here. I took my till 28:08 to get that "Zettelkasten" is a german word ^^ And thank you for that great explanation!
I really appreciate you video. I've been learning the Zettlekasten Method for a about a 2 days now, however I was not certain how to implement my starting point. From your video I realized that there is no particular method to start. I just started writing down little thoughts that came to my head and I realized that expanded on those. I was even taking zettles on your video... thanks
Thanks for making this video. Enjoyed the examples and how you think about notes. Prefer this instead of the quick run down of features.
I love the straight forward example in this video. Very well done, thank you Martin!
I couldn't ask for a better video to demonstare these beautiful methods the may seem complicated
Hey, thank you so much for this video. It's nice to have this concept explained so clearly. I'll be honest I read the "How to take smart notes" book but really felt at a loss for how to practically implement this method, so this video is an amazing resource. Great work!
Thank you! I really appreciate you saying so!
That's a beautiful and to the point explanation of smart notes and Zettelkasten method.. Thanks a lot for this amazing information.
Thanks. A good intro with examples, nice.
the depest and the best explanation from all youtube ....really!! thats the thing...you was the only one that got throght the most import... you just didnt treat like a process...
Thank you 🙏 You saying this has made my day!
Thank you very much Martin for the explanation and the work you've put in this Video. It helps and motivates me.
Subbed when I discovered your tutorial on Obsidian yesterday as I'm currently reading Ahrens' How to Take Smart Notes. I want to tell you how much I appreciate the work and effort you put into these videos; they're awesome and really helpful! I honestly feel excited to enroll for the next semester and use Zettelkasten to approach my studying better. Cheers!
Thank you for the kind words, it really means a lot to me that these videos are helping! All the best with the studies!
Just finished watching this and the take-away for me is to start being more intentional with my Obsidian notes, especially with keeping them as small as possible.
Same. I have a tendency to try to write as much as I can in one page and get lost. Will be trying to keep my notes to one core idea.
Thank you so much for sharing. You have explained it very well with examples.
Huge thanks for taking the time to do this. I read the book Smart Notes, but as others have mentioned, was still left groping about for specifics on how-to/what-to. Your first video solidified for me the vital concepts of the book, while this one really helped me to know how to use Obsidian to implement. You're a certified rock star in my book (which is marinating its merry way to fruition now, apparently, in the second brain I acquired thanks to Obsidian)
Thank you so much for the kind words 🤗
@@Martin_Adams
Is it necessary or better to read the book first? Because I still not understand very well the concept
@@amiramohammedi85 The book might help, but it’s very high level and you still need to figure out hours to apply it.
I’m writing a workbook myself to help here. Will hopefully be released in Feb. You’re welcome to check it out and get an email when it’s released here:
atomicnotetaking.com
Great video, Martin. Thank you for sharing with us :)
Thanks! Great start to how to take notes with this system.
I had started to look at Obsidian before, but watching this I decided to start my note-taking (in Obsidian) while watching. I think I've currently got a big note that wouldn't fit on a card, but it's a start. :-)
One of the things I'd like to know more about is different systems of processing the notes/knowledge. I've watched someone's video on a similar topic, but not sure where that as now.
Anyway, cheers again - looking forward to more of your content!
(I've jumped on the Flowtelic list as well.) :-)
thank you thank you. Just covering the basics is what I neeed. I read HTTSM last winter and have been struggling to find a set of tech tools to start doing. I almost thought just creating files on my hard drive would be enough and use the file search tools to work with them... seeing all the Obsidian info getting so complex I became intimidated to attempt using it.
Very helpful video. Thanks for taking the time to make it....
Great video and better explanation! I really enjoyed it and learn a lot from it! Thanks Martin
Looking forward to getting your Flowetelic app! I am on your email list now :) Thank you so much for making a detailed video with the step-by-step examples!
Thanks! You can play with the app right now if you want. There’s the join.flowtelic.com waitlist, but you’ll get a link to the app immediately. Still early days but you can see how I use it myself from these videos.
@@Martin_Adams Amazing! I'll take a look right now! Thanks a lot Martin! :) I'm happy to be a beta tester! :)
Thank you verry Much, I immediatly embedded your video in my obsidian :-)
Love it! Thanks 😊
Great videos. Thank you!
"Introduction to smart notes with Obsidian".... Opens Obsidian 35 minutes in 😂
In all honesty though, really enjoyed this video. Thanks for making it. Trying to unpack the use cases to figure out how to apply to all the projects and things I'm doing.
Ahh yeah, I’m getting better and getting to the main point earlier 😂
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Obsidian isn't a rare element but lava rock, as common as dirt. Obsidian is a naturally occurring volcanic glass that forms when lava cools rapidly with minimal crystal growth. This app is called Obsidian because early man used Obsidian to make hand cutting tools and arrowheads for thousands of years, and that's what they want our notes to last, forever because they are in simple text markdown format.
FYI: Obsidian part starts at 35:00
Thanks. Was wondering. Title is slightly misleading since the first half is primarily focused on a different app. I was confused
Really good video. Like the others I too appreciated the practical examples. How do you research the notes you made? For example if you want to summon all the notes related to a topic/ context? Also how do you know if a related note is a fleeting note or literature or permanent?
Great question. The workflow I like is to first have my raw fleeting notes on a given book/article/video, etc. Then ideally I would start to move these to literature notes, where they are small atomic notes, rewritten in my own words and understanding. If I can't do that, then I haven't fully understood the source material. I might mention/link other notes that I think it relates to. Finally, I would move it to my permanent notes. This is where I consider the wider set of notes from ALL books/articles/videos which I've studied before. So I might start reworking the notes in a more holistic way, addressing contradictions from other sources, etc.
Once you have this workflow in place, if you now want to study from your own notes, then this is where I find Maps of Content really helpful. Here I can outline my understanding of a topic and link the notes like an outline which help explain that topic. The great thing here is that I can create any type of topic or even question, link the notes that help me answer it. For example, I might have a MoC titled "Effects exercise has on sleep", then link all the notes that are related.
I like to form things in terms of questions, and see where my current understanding from my permanent notes can help answer it. It'll either be sufficient, or show the gaps in my understanding where I need to seek some more research.
I hope that helps give an overview. Feel free to join our community (go.meda.io/community) to ask more questions and and others can help chip in with their take on it too. Signup link is meda.io/community/join
1:53 Luhmann was a Sociologist. Not a psychologist. Great vid. :)
Thanks for this! I think it’s helpful for my students as a starting point. Luhman was a sociologist by the way.
Well explained. Subbed!
Thank you, I really appreciate and hope you get a lot out of the channel!
Thank you for the video, for academic papers do you recommend a note per paper or as many notes as ideas you get out of the paper? I guess the recommendation in the book is for 3-4 notes/day and I think you mentioned 6/day.
I personally would do one fleeting note paper, multiple literature notes from that where I’m putting the info in my own words and understanding, then many permanent notes when adding it to my existing slip box where I can link it to existing notes in my slip box.
Hi Martin, I am new to Zettlekasten .I am keen to explore Obsidian as my future notetaking system. Do you suggest to get used to the Zettlekasten by using analog method and only when i progress, I can transfer all analog notes into digital like obsidion?
Does it make sense to use this method if you are not a writer?
I just want to learn and retain what I read from books and articles better
Yes, I believe it does. The writing aspect of creating notes is to help you with your thinking. Whether you write for others or not doesn't really make a difference for your own learning. I find that as you learn and understand more, you'll be more likely to want to bring it up in conversation or use that knowledge in some way. Having your notes easily accessible and your ideas well thought through can be hugely beneficial here.
So in short, absolutely, it can help you from books and articles you read for you own learning.
thank you for the value! just subbed!!
Here's a question... I study art. Would a note about a painting be a "literature" note? I feel like an artwork is the atomic unit of a note, but it's unclear to me. Just curious what your opinion is...
Here's how I would approach it. If you're observing a painting and making a list of observations, ideas as they happen during the observation (much like as you read a book), then these I would say are "literature" notes. The individual concepts and ideas can then be broken down into smaller atomic "permanent" notes, linked to other notes that are relevant and placed in the slip box.
This means that one painting can be organised in various places in your slipbox. These may be broken down into subject, story, technique, materials, composition. Other paintings of similar compositions may be grouped together where you can make newer, larger observations, such as discovering if a certain type of composition sparks a specific type of emotion.
This is a really great question and has given me some further thoughts on how to take one topic and organising/linking it together in the slip box.
great video! I am just getting started with the topic and having a practical example is gold! thank you. so now I am wondering, should I go with obsidian or use your app? your UX already feels great and I like how you set up the filtering. As a visual person, will you add a graph view or something similar at some point or how do you explore and make notes discoverable?
Thank you Fabian. So I've got some plans of where to go next. Once the server sync feature is launched, I'm going to jump back in and make the editor/layout/navigation experience much better. Ideas I have are to launch as a desktop app and point a collection to your Obsidian vault so you can use both simultaneously (plus have sync support via Flowtelic). As for graph view, this is quite a popular feature and I've been exploring the libraries to use to make it easy to implement. It's a long road, but I'm excited to keep innovating!
@@Martin_Adams very cool! if you like some help regarding ux / ui let me know! id be keen to help out in such an interesting project! I run a small UX / UI Agency and be happy to support (mostly for selfish reasons as I really like to use it :-) although you are doing a great job from what I can see.
It was so difficult to find an actual example. Would absolutely love if you could show how you'd approach learning any new tech with this method. Say, for example, streaming
I have idea to apply the Zettelkasten method to learning programming and maybe other tech items. Hard to judge what the most valuable topic would be, and also needs to be something I either feel I can add value teaching, or I want to learn it myself. But thanks for the suggestion.
Great video, one of the best I've found on youtube. However, I'm kinda disappointed in how little thought you gave it to the Zettelkasten Method, even though you explained it, I think you didn't cover enough content in that regard. I hope you make a video where you merely focus on the Zettelkasten method cuz there aren't many (good) videos on youtube talking about this topic. Again, great video, keep up the good content!
EDIT: I found 2 AMAZING videos this guy has made. They fill in those gaps I was mentioning in my comment.
Thank you Sebastian, do make sure you check out the more recent videos on the channel. I’ve been going deeper into the Zettelkasten method specifically which might go some way to filling those gaps.
@@Martin_Adams my bad then, haven't checked the rest of your videos. I'll come back in a second, gonna check em out
Niklas Luhmann was a sociologist, not a psychologist.
followed the link - to beta flowtelic - but said page not found
Is it the link in the description? TH-cam seem pretty broken for some reason. I get the same in Google Chrome (works in Firefox) and works if I copy and paste the link. I'm not sure what's up really. Try this one: join.flowtelic.com
I think if fix it. The TH-cam editor is putting zero width spaces in the URL 😭
Please check how to apply Map Of Content for your Zettelkasten
I find myself writing fleeting and literature notes and for many words within those notes I make a link that, for the moment, would be empty but want to expand on in the near future. The problem I have is that I have a bunch of fleeting notes like these with all kinds of links to empty words/concepts I want to expand on but haven't yeat. And now, I cannot see the utility of this system yet. HELP!
This can be tricky. One thing you can do is rather than link lots of words, is to create a map of content for that word and link in the notes you do have complete.
Another think you can do is use hashtags to represent the placeholder note. I think there is a way to filter them out of the graph view so that becomes more useful.
Or you can have a folder just for placeholders and move them across when you have some substance to the notes.
I find my system has the same, but I view it as part of the workflow rather than an issue.
Hope that helps!
@@Martin_Adams Thank you for your prompt response, Martin! Hashtags to represent the placeholder note? Could you give me an example? This sounds like a great possible solution!
I usually do something like:
#status/todo
#status/doing
#status/done
That way I can query, filter and manage the state of the notes.
@@Martin_Adams OH! Now I get it !! Of course! Great idea! Thank you, Martin!! I will implement this immediately!! As for note taking. I guess I have for months only been taking Fleeting notes and hyper-connecting these instead of actually forming permanent atomic notes that live one isolated idea at a time.. That's what I have been erring on.
Do you recommend deleting Fleeting Notes after being processed into Literature Notes or Permanent Notes ?
I don't any more. I like to keep them there and have your literature and permanent notes reference your fleeting notes. Generally you'll find your fleeting notes reference the original material you've researched. So having that full audit chain of original text, to notes, to ideas in your Zettelkasten means you can keep on top of where your ideas are originating from. That's just my personal preference. You could archive them in some way though so it doesn't clutter up your app, but being able to follow the reference chain can be helpful, especially if you need to cite your courses in an publication of some sort.
Question: what are those letters vertical in the left side ?
Those are the headline level indicators. So an “h1” means Heading 1 - top level heading. “h2” is the second level heading, and so on.
Can you think if a way you could use mind maps with this because writing isn't always necessary for thought. Many of the mind mapping programs can link between.
Obsidian has a way to view your notes as a graph, but not necessarily a way to create the notes in a graph format. The thing to be mindful when using mind maps is whether you can only branch down to lower levels, or whether you can cross-references different parts of the tree. The Zettelkasten essentially allows anything to anything, where as a mind map is a tree structure and is more rigid.
That said, you might enjoy something like Roam Research or Logseq which is an outliner and you can do the cross reference. So in a way, you can create your ideas as you would a mind map, and have the flexibility to link to anything in your tree.
Is there any literature that explains the Zattelkasten process using normal English rather than the none intuitive vocabulary, such as "second brain", "knowledge management system", slip box, "smart notes system", "fleeting notes", "Literature notes" (Permanent Notes is an intuitive phrase) etc., that appears to be the lingua franca of TH-cam presentations on this subject?
That’s a really good question. I haven’t come across anything that would be ‘Zettelkasten’ without using the terminology. That said, could make a great video to teach the workflow but using familiar terms.
Obsidian is beautiful and useful instrument, but him sintacsis has a differences from classical markdown sintacsis. For example, it's a differences in links sintacsis, differences in insert of pictures and some minor differences. So the notes are displayed incorrect in other software, and links work incorrect, and pictures not displayed, and format sometime displayed incorrect etc. I need other software for using my notes on mobile platform, because i want have my notes with me always. And this is a problem for notes, make in Obsidian. I try use him, but now i use classical markdown, and my notes are displayed correctly on all platforms and are independent of software. Graph of notes - it's cool and beautiful, but versatility is more important to me.
This is a classic technology problem. The [[ ]] link format is becoming more and more popular. So if you're looking to find compatibility across different software, some may do better than others. Obsidian do have a mobile app now which might make it a little easier to use the Obsidian features on different devices.
Outlining and linking... That's it.
What would be the benefits and drawbacks of having several vaults?
I use them for different project. I have a vault for work things where the markdown files get shared with other members of the team. This is naturally different to notes of a personal nature. I also like to split out things like technical notes from my 'second brain' which has more content about science, psychology, philosophy etc. The technical notes can be more of a reference of how to do something, rather than ideas and connections to other ideas.
I appreciate the good information in the beginning of the video, but selling your own software in a video disguides to promote other software?
I appreciate your comments on this one. I take a very simple stance on this. It's important for me to help others gain mastery and fulfillment through a passion for knowledge. I also have a passion for building my own app which I think will help others in the long term. If that app helps support me to create more content to help as many people as possible, I'm okay with that. The only commitment I will make is to not say negative things about the competition and let you all make your own mind up which software works best for you.
You dont use ids when naming your notes?
Not at the moment as I like clean file names to describe the content. That said, I will be exploring the pros and cons of ids in your notes and will share my findings once I have a better insight.
@@Martin_Adams ids basically allows to be software agnostic and to not depend on any given app on the long run. Ids are ugly and awkward but they should keep links intact between notes no matter the software you're using to manage them
I am a boy vietnamese, Thank you ! today I know this from fanpage about reading on the kindle paper white. I have been finding this app for a long time, because I read a lot of books and take notes on A4 papers, now it is more papers which is written. Now I want to search easily and fastly. I don't know you understand this my comment, because I am learning English Language, Again, thank you very much.
I think I understand. I appreciate you practicing your English. Hope you manage to have fun learning and note-taking.
@@Martin_Adams wow , there is a new word : note- taking , It is a verb. ^^ ( after some days, I say it that is wrong, the right is note- taking which is a noun, not verb ) - I have fixed my comment.
I have a question: what different is # , ## and [] ???
Hey. Yeah so the #, ##, etc, these are markdown formats. It should be something like this…
# Heading level 1
## Heading level 2
### Heading level 3
#hashtag (no space after the hash)
[example.com/link-to-somewhere]
[example.com/link-to-somewhere](Label for the link)
[[Internal link to another file]] - these are the internal bi-directional links between notes
@@Martin_Adams wow thanks, at the moment I am note-taking about English Grammar. Ex: you fell sleep, did you ? ( I take note " didn't you" is a tag question, and I drive " tag question" into a place ( a file have name " 3 questions") , a tag question in 3 questions, I don't know how to locate directtly a right sentence " tag questions". I know [[3 questions]], but I don't know how to take note a right place about tag question which in file "3 question ". Would I know from your idea ? Thanks you first.
Honestly i appreciate the content but i feel like this was just an ad for Flowtelic. There's like 80% in Flowtelic and 20% in Obsidian.
Thanks for your comment James. This only leaves me with two question.
1. Did you get better at using Obsidian and the use of smart notes?
2. Was it a good ad? Did it pique your interest in what I'm working on with Flowtelic?
Luhmann was sociologist not psychologist
Oops, great spot! I did know, looks like I slipped up.
Actually he was a lawyer, who was able to get a job as lecturer in sociology through his great writings using his zettelkasten
And Obsidian isn't an element, but a volcanic "glassy" rock, the classic 'black' colour is due to the impurities.
I'm here to make money :D
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With mind mapping apps you shouldn't have to worry about messiness due to hyperlinks which can be assed alond side drawn linksand the info also comes from your brain so you have made first saw obsian in videos by the mind map guy who also usedscalot more scentnce writing than symbols and pics I would use in note take with my biology /science background . My most recent example is looking at how waste the climate crisis and 6th mass extiintion interact.
Obsidian is volcanic glass, it is not an ''element'
Lot of fluff could be taken out to help the viewers interested in Zettelkasten. An hour long video is excessive.
I agree and something I’m working on for newer videos
please finish your book .
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You are hard to follow.
Obviously not what I want to hear, but valuable feedback nonetheless. Thank you.
This seems like an overly complicated, convoluted way of taking "notes"...
Shameless plug & nothing to do with Obsidian.
Sorry you felt this had nothing to do with Obsidian. Putting aside that I’m absolutely, and shamelessly plugging my own app, what would you have liked to see done differently for what you were looking for? Constructive feedback is always welcome.
I disagree with Scott. There is a plug to Martin’s app, but the example was constructed using Obsidian.
@@Martin_Adams I would suggest that an improvement might be to work out the flow of your video before hand so you don't have to stop and fumble or back up. This is not awful, but I clicked ahead to get to the information.
Well, why should he have shame presenting his work while providing you with free information on Zettelkasten and Obsidian?
Well there is always that one guy. I think we found it :D Looolll