Car enthusiasts say it all the time its a rather famous quote that i don't think anyone knows the source of. ( Its often more fun to drive a slow car fast than one that's meant to be fast. ) The original quote was in reference to cars like Mazda Miata's. where you can be squealing the tires around corners at WOT with a smile of your face not having to go deadly speeds in order to hit that limit. The same thing definitely applies to dirt bikes. Bombing around on a 110 with your buddies will put a bigger smile on your face than trying to push the limits of a 250. pushing the limits of a 250-450 takes actual work and focus. you can max out a 110 while laughing your ass off halfway distracted and intoxicated lol. not that im advising it.
Your absolutely right, should try it on a street bike even a whimsy 600 revs to 16k+ rpms add a quality slip on exhaust and the sound alone is an adrenaline!!!!
I've always felt that the mini manufacturers are really missing out on the off-road market by not offering enduro models below the 125 2T class. KTM did offer an XC version years ago, but if I recall, it really wasn't that much different from the 85 and 105 SX minis. Based on the recent boom of single track, hard enduro and hare scramble popularity, I'd like to see them give the same treatment and R&D to a mini version as they do the bigger bikes: lower gearing, suspension, larger tank, kickstand, maybe even a different head and a flywheel weight. It could even be a really cool project to promote via the Gas Gas brand.
Back in the day. We did it all the time. 80cc experts vs 125/250 experts/intermediates. Had a GP race end of day )race what you want, often finish top 5 in field of 25-30 big bikes. 90% rider, 10% bike.
I can't go wide open like that, I'm always scared something mechanical is going to fail or break loose at speed. Probably because once my front fender came loose and jammed in the front wheel and laid my ass down in the street.
Easy way to avoid that is to maintain your bike constantly at regular intervals if maintained properly the vehicle should have a much lower chance of mechanical failures but that’s part of riding driving anything
More power that's wasted by how inefficient two strokes are. Might make more power on paper but that means nothing. On a track 4 strokes will eat 2 strokes. 85 is geared much shorter that also helps with acceleration. Its like the people who claim 250 2ts will out run a 450.
@@trevor866 i have seen tons of videos of 2 strokes destroying 4 strokes on tracks in an open class event. If 2 strokes were allowed in pro motocross and supercross they would have a solid chance. It takes a rider that knows how to ride a 2 stroke! If 4 strokes are so efficient then why does it take 2X the cc's to produce the same horsepower. Love hearing guys say their 450 will beat your 250. Its twice the motor LMAO!
@@DirtBikeChannel Right. And now his boy learned a vital skill: How to fully tap out a motorbike. lol Now there's a sense of satisfaction an app can't give
I raced professional motocross 60’s-70’s. Bultaco, Maico, Husky, Puch, Montessa, CZ, Jawa, and others. I raced Montesa 125 and CZ 400. The good ole days until Japan took over for the most part. I am older now. I bought a 2022 YZ 85 as I wanted to touch the ground. I wanted something less than 200 pounds as I weigh only 150, 5’7”. That is perfect for me. It rips. My friend has a street trail Suzuki 450 and the 85 wins like he is standing still Until around 60 mph. The YZ 85 similar power to weight as YZ 125. I love 2 strokes. The smell and light weight. I own a Super Duke 1290r and a MV AGusta Dragster 800 rr Pirelli edition. I also have a heavy, slow Grom. I love my YZ 85
I don't know about the 2021 bikes but my son's ktm85 with an aftermarket head and pipe would always literally pull away from my other son's kx 250s. Nobody believed me though but the boys knew.
ive seen VERY close skilled guys on 125s who grew up on them keep right up with most 450 guys outdoors. My brother in law was Am Pro and always practiced on a 125 to be spoiled by the 450 when racing
I think the 85 occasionally seems faster because it’s peak power is at a much lower rpm. The new 250s are making all their power at the tippy top. Meanwhile KTMs race 2 strokes make all their power a good 2 or 3 thousand below redline. So it’s easier for the 85 to see peak hp on the trails. But on a track or straight line there’s no comparison
Thing to remember too for testing purposes, you need a control weight for the rider. If connor was on the 250 racing connor on the 85, would the results be the same
A little two-stroke 80 with a light Rider is as quick as any other bike out there but it starts to fall off about 60. A 125 2 stroke is another bike with 6 gears and it will start pulling away from the 80 at about 50 miles an hour top out about 70 and a 5-speed 250 2 stroke is about the same as the 125 it's just made for a bigger person
Enjoyed the video, and enjoyed seeing the kids involved. I'd like to see more videos of him on that KTM 85, and other small kids bikes if it's possible.
best times riding I can remember was with my posse of 6-7 guys on 80/85cc 2 strokes around age 12. Drag racing, wheelie sessions, burning out on peoples driveways getting chased by the trash man
My riding is tight technical mountain terrain and personally have experienced less injuries doing this than pinned in higher gears..... Have fun and play safe
First of all your videos are EPIC and I love seeing you ride with your kids. To me it is so rewarding to see them learn new skills. Sorry a little off topic, but I just picked up a 2018 KTM SX 85 for my 12yo son. We primarily ride mountainous technical single track in Idaho. Do you have any thoughts on things to make this more of a woods bike?
Im a professional hunter but im alsi a x racer .. im now looking at being tbe top at 60 years old i have 3 years to get in shape and pratice .. .. my goual or 1 feom a kid if i can win a national at 60 im happy im 56 now but that gives me time .. i think they need to bring back all 2 cycle race bikes .. when i retired from racing i had my 250 cc suzuki going against all the 450 cc 4 cycle i won every race more power and 30 pounds lighter lol
I didn't know Bonneville had a corner. 2T ISDT bikes 250 and below had 6 speeds as there were long road sections. The large bores had 4 or 5 speeds. They had speedo.'s, but later a lot just had odo.'s.
If we’re talking about top speed, it would make sense that the 250 is slower than the 85. Those 250Fs are all geared short as hell for that incredible low end grunt. Edit: I also totally agree with your assessment of how a 250 feels. I ride a 2015 YZ250F on the street pretty often and at half throttle in 5th my buddy can keep up pretty well on his 85. And I don’t like beating on bikes too much, but once you get on it you realize just how much room you have left until you hit the limiter. Definitely an advantage that 4-strokes have over 2-strokes if you ask me...
Looks like colorado im a local near Vail! On another note, I own a New 6 speed 300cc sportbike and my friend owns a 1998 5 speed 750cc Honda shadow, mine beats him to 70 mph every single time before he levels out and will start to gain. Mine weighs 350 his is 500 though. Mines fuel injected his is carb. But he literally has 2.5 of my engines. Technology is amazing. My first bike was a kx125 2 stroke and it was crazy fun
Couple of questions: 1. What communicator you use to talk to your riding partners? 2. How do you maintain your batteries specially when you store your ride for some time? tks.
My son wears me out in the woods! He is on a ktm125 xc vs. my yz250x. BUT he is almost 40 yrs younger and extremely athletic. I just dont have the stamina to keep it pinned like he does. Oh to be young 😀
Before I even watch yes! Mike allessi set top 15 lap times at glen Helen on 85, for pro lites class in early 2000s. At one point here in bama around then our supermini class was the fastest at the track literally!
Now these bikes aren't faster but it's all rider. Surprised after watching how fast Kyle's sons bikes are on top end. I'd like to see Kyle learn how to do a moto start, his son might have a better shot at blowing the 250f away
Guy at work got a yz80 and we figured it will do like 65 mph. No kid on a yz80 needs to go 65 mph lol. Most full size dirt bikes are only geared for about 70. The horsepower to weight ratio has gotta be pretty good when you only weigh 90 pounds.
I have the same 2021, mines just the regular KX250 but before i made my purchase I've heard that these bikes really enjoy being ran at a higher RPM but I've been trying to take it relatively easy since its literally brand new
i just bought a used kx 250f but i can’t ride it yet bc i need a new helmet, gloves, boots, and we’re getting a chest protector to but we should be able to at least test drive this weekend or next but i can’t ride it to it’s max until the 20th when my new boots come in
Would you recommend the 85 for a fourteen year old that doesn’t have a lot of riding experience? I sat on my friends 85 and I fit perfectly but I just want to get a second opinion
Instead of risking your son when he's not really ready. What you could have done is turn your GPS on your phone. Then you go and max one bike out and max the other bike out and go back and look at the phone and see which one was faster.😁
I had a kx100 for fun and i was as fast as my budy in tight trail even with my weight on it .the only problem is the suspension that wasnt keepin up at 60mph hahahaha nice test by the way
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There is a special joy of winding out a small bike vs. being 50% on a big bike.
I agree we all bought KLX140’s during covid to local trail ride and it was a god awful load of fun to be on the rev limiter all over the place lol
or being 100% on a big bike 🤪
@@nekodahaltom2443 we all know no can ride 100% on a big bike especially in the woods lol
Car enthusiasts say it all the time its a rather famous quote that i don't think anyone knows the source of. ( Its often more fun to drive a slow car fast than one that's meant to be fast. ) The original quote was in reference to cars like Mazda Miata's. where you can be squealing the tires around corners at WOT with a smile of your face not having to go deadly speeds in order to hit that limit. The same thing definitely applies to dirt bikes. Bombing around on a 110 with your buddies will put a bigger smile on your face than trying to push the limits of a 250. pushing the limits of a 250-450 takes actual work and focus. you can max out a 110 while laughing your ass off halfway distracted and intoxicated lol. not that im advising it.
@@dclsxfactory7823 nah i ride wide open on my 400 all the damn time wym 😂
I’m always impressed with how clean your bikes look in the garage.
Do you race and if so what class
😅👍
Because it his is he's job.
"Normal" people work everyday and home at 6........
It's because you puts new plastics and tires and graphics on his bikes after riding them for 3 seconds
I love that feeling of flying on a dirtbike and you just forget all your problems and your worries are replaced with adrenaline
This comment.
Until u hit a hole😅🥲
you ride on adrenaline?
Your absolutely right, should try it on a street bike even a whimsy 600 revs to 16k+ rpms add a quality slip on exhaust and the sound alone is an adrenaline!!!!
The only way I can keep up with my kids is on a flat road haha
I love your vids
85cc in corners are so agile
Light weight and easy to manage
i love yur guys vids so much keep up the good work
@@gr8playa12cragreed❤
Top speed is simply a function of gearing as long as you have the power to pull the gearing.
It can if it’s the screamin Eagle edition. It’ll win by 6 or 9 seconds.
Oh ya uncle Ron will take care of those four strokes.
6 or 9 seconds eh? That 69 reference is hilarious
@@Nio.ev0 look up ronnie mac
@@Nio.ev0 exactly look up ronnie mack
Great race! Maybe get your son on a 125 and I’m sure he’ll smoke you ;)
He's reading this and smiling...
@@DirtBikeChannel this calls for an upgrade in engine size ;)
@@DirtBikeChannel its a sign
@@DirtBikeChannel good job Dad.
@@outlawpat8038 wait
thats awesome getting the boys into the channel
I'm impressed with thr KX. A kid on a modern 85 is a pretty wicked power to weight ratio.
Sure! If Danger Boy Deegan is on the 85 and I’m on my 1990 YZ250 and I have to go to work Monday morning.
Super cool to start to involve the kids more. Great memories, great learning too.
Excellent Drone footage seeing the KX real him in too!
Yeh makes me drool to see a 250 out run a 85.😂
I've always felt that the mini manufacturers are really missing out on the off-road market by not offering enduro models below the 125 2T class. KTM did offer an XC version years ago, but if I recall, it really wasn't that much different from the 85 and 105 SX minis. Based on the recent boom of single track, hard enduro and hare scramble popularity, I'd like to see them give the same treatment and R&D to a mini version as they do the bigger bikes: lower gearing, suspension, larger tank, kickstand, maybe even a different head and a flywheel weight. It could even be a really cool project to promote via the Gas Gas brand.
Back in the day. We did it all the time. 80cc experts vs 125/250 experts/intermediates. Had a GP race end of day )race what you want, often finish top 5 in field of 25-30 big bikes. 90% rider, 10% bike.
An RM85 is way scarier to ride than a new 300. I’ve done them back to back
100percent i got one
rm 85 is very aggresive
rm 85 was my first two stroke with a clutch and man I love hearing that baby roar
I can't go wide open like that, I'm always scared something mechanical is going to fail or break loose at speed. Probably because once my front fender came loose and jammed in the front wheel and laid my ass down in the street.
Blue loctite
@@SJulianYZ125 or red just don’t use as much
Or grow a pair
@@dormantmenace your wife seems to like them just the way they are.
Easy way to avoid that is to maintain your bike constantly at regular intervals if maintained properly the vehicle should have a much lower chance of mechanical failures but that’s part of riding driving anything
Less than half the cc's and the 85 hung in there well for what it is....just proof in my mind how 2 strokes make more Power!
Does help that his son is like half his weight
More power that's wasted by how inefficient two strokes are. Might make more power on paper but that means nothing. On a track 4 strokes will eat 2 strokes.
85 is geared much shorter that also helps with acceleration. Its like the people who claim 250 2ts will out run a 450.
Kawi should feel ashamed 😂
@@trevor866 i have seen tons of videos of 2 strokes destroying 4 strokes on tracks in an open class event. If 2 strokes were allowed in pro motocross and supercross they would have a solid chance. It takes a rider that knows how to ride a 2 stroke! If 4 strokes are so efficient then why does it take 2X the cc's to produce the same horsepower. Love hearing guys say their 450 will beat your 250. Its twice the motor LMAO!
2 stroke!!!!!!! Never go back to 4 stoke !
Could have easily just used a cell phone with a speedometer app and taken each others top speed
No fun in that!
@@DirtBikeChannel Right.
And now his boy learned a vital skill: How to fully tap out a motorbike. lol
Now there's a sense of satisfaction an app can't give
@@DirtBikeChannel yes youre right
@@starfox_wr-45e93 but its even better with the app
@@imjustspeakingfactsbro4189 ah well, there's always next time 👍
I raced professional motocross 60’s-70’s. Bultaco, Maico, Husky, Puch, Montessa, CZ, Jawa, and others. I raced Montesa 125 and CZ 400. The good ole days until Japan took over for the most part. I am older now. I bought a 2022 YZ 85 as I wanted to touch the ground. I wanted something less than 200 pounds as I weigh only 150, 5’7”. That is perfect for me. It rips. My friend has a street trail Suzuki 450 and the 85 wins like he is standing still
Until around 60 mph. The YZ 85 similar power to weight as YZ 125. I love 2 strokes. The smell and light weight. I own a Super Duke 1290r and a MV AGusta Dragster 800 rr Pirelli edition. I also have a heavy, slow Grom. I love my YZ 85
Man I got winded just watching your kid run for 2 seconds in MX gear. Had an ass kicker of a ride yesterday, still feeling it.
That was him lol
that wasn't my son. that was me running. I was just making sure he knew how to keep me in the frame moving at high speed :)
Rode an 85 last year just for shits and giggles. Thing almost looped me back. Surprising power on those little engines.
The same thing happened with my dad lol
65s and 85s tend to come on very hard compared to your 125s and 250s.
@@KTMsoldier1988 yeah they light up extremely quickly.
Thank you for all the efforts you put in your videos, it doesnt go unnoticed
I don't know about the 2021 bikes but my son's ktm85 with an aftermarket head and pipe would always literally pull away from my other son's kx 250s.
Nobody believed me though but the boys knew.
good job dad!!going to get my boys new kx 85 out today on the trails. cheers
Great video! Both bikes looking good in the race
Let's get young lad on the 125xc and try again
He cart pin a 85 never mind a 125
Seems I did a good job for getting a Kx250F as my first dirt bike...welldone nice and helpful videos
Great video with your son. Please do something with a 250 2 stroke
I do love an 85 for enduro and hooning out trail blasting just light to throw around anywhere and still fun to fly around on
That KTM did REALLY good! I'm truly surprised!!!
It’s not the ride it’s the rider 😉🏆
ive seen VERY close skilled guys on 125s who grew up on them keep right up with most 450 guys outdoors. My brother in law was Am Pro and always practiced on a 125 to be spoiled by the 450 when racing
80s and 85s are absolutely WILD!!! got myself a big wheel suzuki rm 80 liquid cooled with a dg exhaust an absolute screamer puts out 25 horses
Kyle, I’ll race you with my YZ285 ! 😂🤣👍
I wish my dad rode bikes
I think the 85 occasionally seems faster because it’s peak power is at a much lower rpm. The new 250s are making all their power at the tippy top. Meanwhile KTMs race 2 strokes make all their power a good 2 or 3 thousand below redline. So it’s easier for the 85 to see peak hp on the trails. But on a track or straight line there’s no comparison
Thing to remember too for testing purposes, you need a control weight for the rider. If connor was on the 250 racing connor on the 85, would the results be the same
Correct. This was for fun with my son. Not really an exact science here.
@@DirtBikeChannel of course of course. I meant no disrespect
i love your channel Kyle! great videos
It's always funny hearing people complain about a bike only having 5 gears while I'm over here riding an RM465 with a 4 speed transmission.
Thanks for showing me just how much a 4 stroke sucks! 85cc vs 250. Hate to know i had over twice the CC’s and comparing it to a 85cc.
That 85 sounds lovely , danger boy on the super mini now that's fast lol
A little two-stroke 80 with a light Rider is as quick as any other bike out there but it starts to fall off about 60. A 125 2 stroke is another bike with 6 gears and it will start pulling away from the 80 at about 50 miles an hour top out about 70 and a 5-speed 250 2 stroke is about the same as the 125 it's just made for a bigger person
So many people in the comments don't get it. The bikes are stock for a reason. Of course you can modify one or the other and make a difference.
I'd like to have seen you actually clock the top speeds of both bikes with your phones to get legit answer to the question.
Enjoyed the video, and enjoyed seeing the kids involved. I'd like to see more videos of him on that KTM 85, and other small kids bikes if it's possible.
You picked the slowest 250 and the fastest 85😂
*sounds legit* 😂
Kawasaki makes one of the best 250s 🤔
best times riding I can remember was with my posse of 6-7 guys on 80/85cc 2 strokes around age 12. Drag racing, wheelie sessions, burning out on peoples driveways getting chased by the trash man
That was exciting to watch Kyle you are going to have to up your game else your boys will smoke you awesome stuff thanks for posting this 👍
This is the video I have been looking for I have a yz85 and all my mates have 250s
My riding is tight technical mountain terrain and personally have experienced less injuries doing this than pinned in higher gears..... Have fun and play safe
Is that a 250xcw 2021 peeking there ? 😍😍😍 My favourite ktm 😇
I remember trading bikes with my daughter when she said her ds80 was to small and keeping up with her while she was on my kdx .
Interesting video. Doing similar with my son and going to get him a ktm 85 soon so we can just have fun.
How about doing a video on your involvement with motorcycles and how it’s become a family lifestyle
Next season bring back Monday morning mechanic, those were fun (and kept me up to date with the races when I missed a week)
Your videos are truly NEXT LEVEL! Love the content!
From what I'm seeing your son should be teaching you ✊💨
That kid is brave wide open on those tiny rocks it always makes me nervous haha
Never had a 5 speed bike that I didn't wish had a sixth gear.
First of all your videos are EPIC and I love seeing you ride with your kids. To me it is so rewarding to see them learn new skills. Sorry a little off topic, but I just picked up a 2018 KTM SX 85 for my 12yo son. We primarily ride mountainous technical single track in Idaho. Do you have any thoughts on things to make this more of a woods bike?
Half the size, still rubs with a bike twice it’s size. Two strokes are badass
Your boy is living the dream
haha!
Awesome video. Would love to see a 125t and 250f go at it
Might have to do that one!
@@DirtBikeChannel YES!! Stoked! Havent seen a super good quality one like this so im hoping!
The 250f is going to walk the 125 like a dog
@@rapscallion3421 nah it’ll be close the 250 would pull eventually though but it’s a good race for sure
@@ethanquinn6353 sooo did you just disagree with me just to agree with me? Your losing me here pal, help me dull down to your level.
I love the dirtbike channel
Im a professional hunter but im alsi a x racer .. im now looking at being tbe top at 60 years old i have 3 years to get in shape and pratice .. .. my goual or 1 feom a kid if i can win a national at 60 im happy im 56 now but that gives me time .. i think they need to bring back all 2 cycle race bikes .. when i retired from racing i had my 250 cc suzuki going against all the 450 cc 4 cycle i won every race more power and 30 pounds lighter lol
I didn't know Bonneville had a corner.
2T ISDT bikes 250 and below had 6 speeds as there were long road sections. The large bores had 4 or 5 speeds. They had speedo.'s, but later a lot just had odo.'s.
Crazy great vid keep coming
If we’re talking about top speed, it would make sense that the 250 is slower than the 85. Those 250Fs are all geared short as hell for that incredible low end grunt.
Edit: I also totally agree with your assessment of how a 250 feels. I ride a 2015 YZ250F on the street pretty often and at half throttle in 5th my buddy can keep up pretty well on his 85. And I don’t like beating on bikes too much, but once you get on it you realize just how much room you have left until you hit the limiter. Definitely an advantage that 4-strokes have over 2-strokes if you ask me...
Looks like colorado im a local near Vail!
On another note, I own a New 6 speed 300cc sportbike and my friend owns a 1998 5 speed 750cc Honda shadow, mine beats him to 70 mph every single time before he levels out and will start to gain. Mine weighs 350 his is 500 though. Mines fuel injected his is carb. But he literally has 2.5 of my engines.
Technology is amazing. My first bike was a kx125 2 stroke and it was crazy fun
Couple of questions: 1. What communicator you use to talk to your riding partners? 2. How do you maintain your batteries specially when you store your ride for some time? tks.
Maybe you could do a race a 125 2 stroke
Wouldn't be a race , the two stroke has twice the power .
My son wears me out in the woods! He is on a ktm125 xc vs. my yz250x. BUT he is almost 40 yrs younger and extremely athletic. I just dont have the stamina to keep it pinned like he does. Oh to be young 😀
Before I even watch yes! Mike allessi set top 15 lap times at glen Helen on 85, for pro lites class in early 2000s. At one point here in bama around then our supermini class was the fastest at the track literally!
Now these bikes aren't faster but it's all rider. Surprised after watching how fast Kyle's sons bikes are on top end. I'd like to see Kyle learn how to do a moto start, his son might have a better shot at blowing the 250f away
I tapped out my kx85 in 6th it's insane
My bike with a 6 gear and its a 4 stroke
300cc to be exact is a monster in straightaways
Jumping the shark with this video.
When are you going back to 2t I’ve been hoping for a year you would do a review on a 2021 2t sherco factory
Soon you’ll be able to trade bikes and see who wins then? Great video!
I wonder what it would be like with a 2021 kx250 vs the 85, the x is set up more as a trail bike
Guy at work got a yz80 and we figured it will do like 65 mph. No kid on a yz80 needs to go 65 mph lol. Most full size dirt bikes are only geared for about 70. The horsepower to weight ratio has gotta be pretty good when you only weigh 90 pounds.
i will watch you and your son on enduro ride
I have the same 2021, mines just the regular KX250 but before i made my purchase I've heard that these bikes really enjoy being ran at a higher RPM but I've been trying to take it relatively easy since its literally brand new
This just proves how much better 2 strokes are
Cool vid mate
i just bought a used kx 250f but i can’t ride it yet bc i need a new helmet, gloves, boots, and we’re getting a chest protector to but we should be able to at least test drive this weekend or next but i can’t ride it to it’s max until the 20th when my new boots come in
As much as I enjoy riding my son’s YZ 125x I click through the gears very quick and and it’s got no where near the top end speed of my 250 xcf-w.
Do the next race in the forest to see if he can keep it up with the 250 . Im sure you will be surprise of the result 😀
Would you recommend the 85 for a fourteen year old that doesn’t have a lot of riding experience? I sat on my friends 85 and I fit perfectly but I just want to get a second opinion
It depends on how far they are going but yes it will every time
you should try a 125cc vs your kx 250cc next
Great video. Fun comparison
Instead of risking your son when he's not really ready. What you could have done is turn your GPS on your phone. Then you go and max one bike out and max the other bike out and go back and look at the phone and see which one was faster.😁
The private track is near that spot
I had a kx100 for fun and i was as fast as my budy in tight trail even with my weight on it .the only problem is the suspension that wasnt keepin up at 60mph hahahaha nice test by the way
Another great video!
Ultimately, it all depends on your gearing.
“Role the tape”
Polaris just put an ad
Great videos champ
Dont forget that the wheel size matters alot
I have 3 four wheelers i swear my next tax return going into a dirtbike lol
Hi I love your videos