@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Doesn't exist long gone second byzantines destroyed it good enough they got the revenge and took a city as important as Konstantinoupoli
@@otpezdal gene race? what is that. if you mean making my family larger then i can say that its useless too i dont want to make my family larger i like being alone
@@otpezdal good idc about heirs they are useless too i dont want heirs and there should be a dead-end branch of evolution i dont want a wife because i dont want any heirs
Isn't this 6th century Theodroa, the actress/prostitute and later Emperor Justinian's wife? Wasn't Belisarios from later days? Theodora's crown certainly resembles that of Theodora's mosaic in Ravenna. There have been many Theodorae so I'm not sure
@@thickfingersw.1730 Belisarius was contemporaneous with Justinian and Theodora, and his generalship was one of the main reasons that Byzantium (re)conquered Rome and held it until the 8th century. The quote above (made as a joke, obviously) references an event where Theodora ordered him to depose and exile Pope Silverius to Palmarola in 537.
I've NEVER heard this theme in the game. Seriously, she's always super friendly and wanting everyone to get along with each other. Aww, you just wanna give her a hug!
Brazil's theme sounds like a Bond movie, Indonesia's war theme sounds like a late 80's/early 90's Batman movie, and the Byzantines here sound like something out of Star Wars.
If only... if only a pair as capable as Justinian and Theo came after them, perhaps they would've kept all the territories, and, in a thousand and a half years, who knows, maybe even consider interstellar expansion.
@@boris8515 To be fair, they got REALLY fucked over by the timing of the Justinianic Plague. Halted all outward moves, and forced the empire to focus on internal affairs so much more.
Suleiman: In the name of the world congress, you are under arrest, empress (ENACT: Embargo: Byzantium) Theodara: are you threatening me, master Ottoman? Suleiman: the congress will decide your fate Theodara: I am the congress! Suileiman: not yet. Theodara: it's treason then...
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Funny thing is, in my last three consecutive games Byzantium was in the game and was ALWAYS getting stomped to City-State size. Once it was actually done by Suleiman. Istanbul and Constantinople lay just a City-State away from each other ...
Mr. Worldwide Why are there so many Racist people in the Comments? Its not like 1453 was yesterday, derogatory statements about Turks isn't going to change anything.
Achiles Trojan I didn't say that greeks were the only people who were ever racist ever. And I have heard so many things about the Armenian Genocide Its hard to tell what is true as someone who has no first hand knowledge of it.
She agreed to help me in a war, but I didn't expect much of her, since she had way less land than me, and because AI leaders are lazy as hell when it comes to waging wars more than 3 tiles away from their territory. Came as a big surprise when her massive navy showed up with an equally massive landing force.
Scheneighnay I went and did teams (me as Russia with Elizabeth and Bismarck with Washington) i declared war on Bismarck/Washington and within a few turns after I obliterated Bismarck and Washington on my own even tho Elizabeth was on my team she had already made peace and I was pissed because I was so close to ending them
I initially chose the Byzantine Empire because I'm Orthodox. Little did I know that they have the best music ever! I play as Brazil now because of the cultural bonus... I really miss playing as Theodora.
I’m atheist, but I love Playing as byzantines in videogames. Their history, their legacy... they were the last bastion of the ancient world. I’m studing archeology, and I will study Byzantium If I can
"In the name of the Byzantium Empire, you are under arrest Theodora" "Are you threatening me Master Jedi?" "Byzantium will decide your fate" "I am Byzantium" "Not yet" "It's treason then"
Cedars Well, the vast majority of Byzantine/Eastern Roman history was it yelling at everyone that it was the Roman Empire (which it was), especially under Justinian, Theodora's husband, who dreamed to restore the city of Rome to the Empire...which is funny, because the Roman civilization (i.e. Augustus) is a playable entity, and the two civilizations will treat each other like any other civilization.
Adam Pleasants I see. And I think that Justinian was actually descended from early Roman settlers. He was also the last Byzantine emperor to speak Latin. This is probably why he had a strong connection with restoring Rome.
"Master Belissarius, how goes the siege? I must say, you're here sooner than expected." "In the name of the senate and the people of Rome, you're under arrest Pope Silverius." "Are you threatening me, master Belissarius?" "Rome will decide your fate." "I AM Rome." "Not anymore." "...it's treason then."
It looks good either way. A lot of mosques were converted into churches by Isabella and Ferdinand in Spain, too. Better than destroying architecture. In many ways, the Byzantines and the Ottomans were no different from eachother. They were both aggressive empires that wanted land.
The Horseman is a humble looking unit with a simple spear and tunic. Its byzantine replacement, the Catraphact, looks like the fanciest unit in the game. *wat*
Many compare Byzantium with Ottomans in the comments, but the truth is, Byzantium at Theodora's time, the sixth century, would not just defend against the Turks, but push them back to wherever they came from. The only reason Ottomans won was that the crusaders (and lots of other smaller barbarian organizations) betrayed and ravaged Constantinopole, as well as sacking many other smaller cities. Even then, they struggled to take a city defended by 8000 men using a ten times larger army.
I love this musical piece, it simply screams intrigue and religious purging. I can imagine the inquisitors marching through my former capital trying to extinguish the last of the religion I founded.
+the prussian "in a communist state people are a resource" Ha, like capitalist states are any better (I'm not even a communist, just a democratic socialist).
the prussian I can't comment on that specifically because I'm not that familiar with German politics. But to say democratic socialism is responsible for Europe's ills is laughable. The mainstream "socialist" parties here moved right ages ago. They're socialist in name only, they're all centre-left neoliberals these days. We haven't had a voice for some time, although that seems to be changing, slowly but surely. As it stands, the only socialists in Europe with any degree of power are Podemos, Syriza (although the EU did a pretty good job of bludgeoning them into submission) and, for now, the Labour Party.
Theodora and Suleiman are allies against Augustus and Darius. My install of civ hates historical accuracy, I feel like this is what would've happened if tumblr had free rein of history. Ah well, at least I get to hear this theme more often.
Rogue Wisdom What do you mean? I clearly recall Gandhi Nuking Pakistan, the British Isles and America . . . or was that with philosophy, not uranium . . .
Actually, I think it had more to do with using Justinian in Civ 4. They seem to like varying it when they can. Besides, they were very much partners. Theodora is, according to the story, the one responsible for keeping Justinian on the throne.
To all those writing that Byzantine Empire = Greek Empire , you do realise that you basically repeat medieval western propaganda? :D "Byzantines" called themselves Romani and their state was formally called Roman Empire untill it's very end. In western europe it was often called Empire of the Greeks and it's rulers vere adressed as emperors of the Greeks in order to separate them from the prestige of the Roman Empire.
At least those "barbarians" weren't getting BTFO by the caliphate. Post 630 Byzantium was a joke. Even the other western nations could tell and decided to put the Byzantines out of their misery in the 4th crusade. Tell me, how does an "empire" (lol) fail so bad that the people on a mission partly to save them end up beating the shit out of them instead when they realize everyone would be better off without them?
Gearfire Bro check your history again during the macedonian dynasty byzantine was once again pretty powerful, and the 4th Crusade was actually a shame, without it Byzantine would have probably recovered and would have survived much longer. It's also a shame because the crusaders attacked a christian city robbed, raped and killed many people, that's just a shame and tells you how much honor these crusaders had.
Silver Fullbuster The 4th Crusade just proves what everyone should already know, that the Crusades were way more politically motivated than religiously motivated, just like any other war. If a force strong enough to depose Byzantium could be bought off like that from the inside, then it's just as much a fault of Byzantine politics as it is Crusader greed. The nations that took Byzantium out ended up becoming far more successful than them anyway, so it's pretty much just par for the course for empires.
Gearfire "Far more successful", well you know that the Byzantine Empire was once part of the Roman Empire right? And they were way more successful, for a longer period of time than the Ottomans...
Silver Fullbuster A lot of places were once part of the Roman Empire. Sure, Byzantines called themselves Romans, but nobody else ever paid them any mind by a certain point. If we're looking at Byzantine achievements we should be looking at the empire from around 500-1453. Not saying the Ottomans were any better, but being better than the dying man of Europe is not an achievement. The Byzantines were a remnant of an older era that died out like all remnants eventually do. It wasn't some grand exceptional tragedy. It was Medieval life and politics, and the Byzantines ended up becoming the whipping boy. It's happened numerous times to numerous peoples.
Friend, playing Carthage: Um, sorry, why does it say you're 'the Great'? Shouldn't it be 'Theodora the Pious'? What's up with that? Me, lining up Dromons: You worry too much.
Well, as a woman I find that they've did a great job with leaders! At least it's balanced and characters make sense, do not forget that Theodora was one of the most powerful women and leaders in the byzantine empire. Everyone was afraid of her and not of her husband.
She's a vampire. First she offered her "friendship", then started demanding "help" like 2 turns later and later on demanded that I denounce Shaka with whom I had a good relationship which I obviously refused... so she denounces me instead. We proceeded to destroy her together with Shaka.
Indeed, she knew her stuff. She had been a harlot after all. By the way, we should have the Imperial Pair, now that Justinian was on Civ IV and Theodora is in Civ V (and was on Civ III, I think).
Not all empresses ruled beside their emperors, it depended wich emperor you see. Some did rule beside them and after their death, while others were overshadowed by their emperors.
Also there were very few women who were given significant power in history, at least compared to the number of men who were, so when someone like Theodora had so much power it's hard to pass up the chance to recognize her and to make the game less male-centric.
At the time of Great Theodora, Mehmed II's puny empire's ancestors had been crawshed (yes, crawshed) by Belisarius. Besides, I always like to rewrite history...
It is time for her to oust Basil II from Civilization VI and regain her place as the indisputable leader of Byzantium. She is and will remain one of the best leaders in the Civilization series especially with this wonderful war music.
Actually, I just spent some time researching (er... I mean 'googling') this issue and discovered that I was actually confusing her for the Byzantine Empress Irene of Athens, who came along a few centuries later.
Maybe I'm talking about High Elves in LOTR ? Or in Warhammer ? I am not speaking about Tamriel's high elves... There is tons of High elves models through books, movies or video games... Keep your head off Tamriel.
***** The thing is, during most Middle Ages, Byzantines were considered as ancient and noble people with advanced laws and army tactics (it became less and less true with time). That's why I think it is like High Elves : They are few representents of an ancient powerful and advanced empire (Roman Empire). I don't have clues for the three civilizations you quoted, I think Carthage and Roman can be considered as extinct ancient civilizations (still during middle ages) and Spanish are protrayed as religious fanatics by their civ leader (Isabela the catholic, the woman who made the inquisition...)
DarkAntem Well, in the Lord of the Rings, Byzantium is represented by Gondor. The similarities are too numerous to be mere coincidence: the surviving eastern half of a once-mighty kingdom, ruled from a huge city with impregnable layered defenses and the bastion that holds back great enemies in the East, located on a major waterway that divides the Eastern world of a great threat (Mordor = Turklands/Islamic Caliphate) from the West (Europe). There are so many minute details too, such as the ridiculous similarities between the real world Iron Gates (the ancient border of Byzantium along the Danube River, once guarded on two sides by statues of Roman Emperors) and the Argonath (the ancient border of Gondor along the Anduin, guarded on two sides by statues of Numenorean Kings). Tolkien drew a lot of his inspiration for Gondor from the Byzantines. I think it's the music that's making you think High Elves. Howard Shore's Elf Theme is definitely based on Byzantine musical styles. ;p
Ambarenya13 Why everybody thinks I either speak about LOTR or Skyrim ? While I agree with you on everything you wrote about Gondor, I speak about High Elves in general, not in a particular movie/book/game/...
Well, you didn't explicitly exclude LOTR. You only explicitly excluded Tamrielic High Elves. Then you started talking about the Roman Empire and then the Middle Ages, which LOTR has very clear parallels with (Warhammer, not so much). Per your previous comment, I was aware you weren't talking JUST about LOTR, but I felt the comment was interesting to consider for the discussion.
yes it is, I conquered all of Europe in the Medieval era as England, now it's the Future Era and the British Empire still stands strong across the world
Yes that is the Hagia Sophia, the "towers" (AKA minarets) were added after the invasion of the Turks where they would later convert the basillica into a mosque.
She was the wife of Emperor Justinian, basically his chief advisory, behind all of "his' good decisions, and more or less the true leader of Eastern Roman Empire/ Byzantine Empire.
To anyone who understand greek. Is it save to asume that in 1:17-1:45 it says "Ἄξιόν σε ἐν πᾶσι καιροῖς ὑμνεῖσθαι φωναῖς αἰσίαις,Υἱὲ Θεοῦ, ζωὴν ὁ διδούς"?? Thankyouu
The closest you can play as Serbia I think is the Byzantines, even though the Byzantines were not Slavs, but they are very Orthodox. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Technically the Byzantines were mostly Greek, but they controlled a sizeable area around Serbia and are probably the closest you could get. They were also the capitol of the Orthodox Church. Everyone else one could associate with the serbs wasn't really orthodox and was usually an invading power (although the Venetians were more interested in trade when they pushed that way, and a buffer against the Turks).
Actually I'll go a step further and call the Byzantines what they actually were. Romans. Despite being different then what we think of romans they follow roman law, customs, and even kept roman titles. And most importantly they thought of themselves as Romans. Not as Byzantines or Greeks. So in truth, perhaps they should be seen as Romans, even if they spoke Greek.
I am more of an expert on Pre-Dominate history, but the East Roman senate was even more of a figurehead than the West. The emperor was also called 'basileos', so I don't know how many Roman titles they used. Surely they lost a lot of the intricate magistrates early on after 476.
Constantinople is a cooler sounding name, and if many Europeans called it that in WWI, I might as well call it that now. Or we could be that guy and call it Byzantium like it was called at first.
I love the smell of Greek fire in the morning
Justinian?
Fetch me Belisarius.
in the ottoman empire
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Doesn't exist long gone second byzantines destroyed it good enough they got the revenge and took a city as important as Konstantinoupoli
@@utubrGaming brings Belisarius from retirement*
Byzantine Empire has completed the wonder: Jedi Temple
Byzantine Empire has completed the wonder: -Terracotta- Clone Army
Execute order 66
Roman Empire*
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong lol
Take your order 666th like sire
When your waifu finds out you were interested in a trade agreement with England.
why do you need a wife if you can live alone
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 hot then you win in a gene race without woman lol???
@@otpezdal gene race? what is that. if you mean making my family larger then i can say that its useless too i dont want to make my family larger i like being alone
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 But the sense of life are heirs. Without them you will be dead-end branch of evolution
@@otpezdal good idc about heirs they are useless too i dont want heirs and there should be a dead-end branch of evolution i dont want a wife because i dont want any heirs
Pope Innocent III: Execute Order 66.
Venice: *It will be done my lord.*
Only Civ comment sections combine historical references with memes so well.
I shall do order 66
@@rheiagreenland4714 True.
@@rheiagreenland4714 Paradox games too, specially Crusader Kings
4th crusade go brrrrrrrr
"I told Belisarius to get rid of the Pope and he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahaha"
~ Theodora, probably
Honestly if Theodora gave me that command I'd execute it gladly..
When she was alive the Pope was more of a Patriach (as he should be), and she was a Miaphysite Syrians. So yes she might do that.
Belisarius joked about reconquering the fallen Western Roman Empire's lands, and I said "no balls", and the madlad did it!
Isn't this 6th century Theodroa, the actress/prostitute and later Emperor Justinian's wife?
Wasn't Belisarios from later days? Theodora's crown certainly resembles that of Theodora's mosaic in Ravenna. There have been many Theodorae so I'm not sure
@@thickfingersw.1730 Belisarius was contemporaneous with Justinian and Theodora, and his generalship was one of the main reasons that Byzantium (re)conquered Rome and held it until the 8th century. The quote above (made as a joke, obviously) references an event where Theodora ordered him to depose and exile Pope Silverius to Palmarola in 537.
I've NEVER heard this theme in the game. Seriously, she's always super friendly and wanting everyone to get along with each other.
Aww, you just wanna give her a hug!
Mellima!
+KrimsonVagus This is why i always have the Byzantines as my great ally.
+KrimsonVagus A "hug"
Shamus Johnson ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) if you know what I mean
Issat what you kids call it these days?
Brazil's theme sounds like a Bond movie, Indonesia's war theme sounds like a late 80's/early 90's Batman movie, and the Byzantines here sound like something out of Star Wars.
My same thought!
Geoff Knorr was having a great time composing these tracks
@@andrewpestotnik5495 More like Lord of the Rings. Byzantine's theme sounds like it would fit in the LOTR films too.
*Your city has been converted.*
*Buys 3 Inquisitors* NO ONE SUSPECTS THE MONGOLIAN INQUISITION!
Christian Lundsgaard when did mongols converted constantinopolis
In my game of Civ 5, I would be playing as the Mongols.
Shawn Caruso *Tips Theodora*
This is brilliant. Haha.
This ost just screams: "THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE SHALL BE REORGANIZED INTO THE THE FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE OF BYZANTIUM" or something like that.
The ERE should be reorganized as the Reconstituted Roman Empire
If only... if only a pair as capable as Justinian and Theo came after them, perhaps they would've kept all the territories, and, in a thousand and a half years, who knows, maybe even consider interstellar expansion.
@@boris8515 All empires fall. Even the countries of nowadays will disappear someday. That’s law of life…
@@boris8515 To be fair, they got REALLY fucked over by the timing of the Justinianic Plague. Halted all outward moves, and forced the empire to focus on internal affairs so much more.
Suleiman: In the name of the world congress, you are under arrest, empress
(ENACT: Embargo: Byzantium)
Theodara: are you threatening me, master Ottoman?
Suleiman: the congress will decide your fate
Theodara: I am the congress!
Suileiman: not yet.
Theodara: it's treason then...
Theodora: autistic screeching intensifies
“AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!”
Revy from Black Lagoon
Love the historical accuracy. In the background Hagia Sophia is shown without the minaretes that were build after the Fall of Constantinople.
Civ Wars Episode I: The Polish Menace
Civ Wars Episode II: Attack of the Longbowmen
Civ Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Zulu
Civ Wars Episode IV: A New Petra
Civ Wars Episode V: The Missionaries strike back
Civ Wars Episode VI: Return of the Ghandi
Civ Wars Episode VII:The Nuke Awakens
Civ Wars Episode VIII: The Last Player
GAAAANDHIIII
And now
Russia One: A Civ Wars Story.
What about that parody Europa Balls?
That was funny.
Civ Wars Episode VIII: The Last part of the spacecraft.
*CIV WARS Ep. VIII: THE LAST WONDER*
"Theodora has Declared War on Suleiman"
Funny thing is, in my last three consecutive games Byzantium was in the game and was ALWAYS getting stomped to City-State size. Once it was actually done by Suleiman. Istanbul and Constantinople lay just a City-State away from each other ...
Mr. Worldwide Why are there so many Racist people in the Comments? Its not like 1453 was yesterday, derogatory statements about Turks isn't going to change anything.
Mr. Worldwide Turks are racist and arrogant too. Ask the armenians.
Achiles Trojan I didn't say that greeks were the only people who were ever racist ever. And I have heard so many things about the Armenian Genocide Its hard to tell what is true as someone who has no first hand knowledge of it.
22kitz22 What are you even on about? There are many churches in Turkey.
She agreed to help me in a war, but I didn't expect much of her, since she had way less land than me, and because AI leaders are lazy as hell when it comes to waging wars more than 3 tiles away from their territory.
Came as a big surprise when her massive navy showed up with an equally massive landing force.
Nathan Stapleton IMO, she's useless unless you need naval support. Her territory is always tiny.
Scheneighnay I went and did teams (me as Russia with Elizabeth and Bismarck with Washington) i declared war on Bismarck/Washington and within a few turns after I obliterated Bismarck and Washington on my own even tho Elizabeth was on my team she had already made peace and I was pissed because I was so close to ending them
I initially chose the Byzantine Empire because I'm Orthodox. Little did I know that they have the best music ever! I play as Brazil now because of the cultural bonus... I really miss playing as Theodora.
Courtney Shatley You can always start a new game
Courtney Shatley I play as Catherine of Russia because of the doubled resources
I play as Byzantium because:
1) Orthodox background
2) Love Istanbul
3) Theodora is hot
@@para_magnus2200 When I first started up the game, she was the first Civ I played with.
I’m atheist, but I love Playing as byzantines in videogames. Their history, their legacy... they were the last bastion of the ancient world. I’m studing archeology, and I will study Byzantium If I can
I've completed the Hagia Sophia as the Romans, then I meet the Byzantines.
I then see the Hagia Sophia in the Byzantine Background...
theodora illuminati *confirm*
It's a FRAUD
They just needed one more brick. Then they met you... *War Theme Plays*
I did proceed to wipe them out.
How have I never noticed that the Hagia Sophia is back there? o.o
>look at rome
>-60 GPT
laughingtheodoras.jpg
"fuck you honorius lol"
maybe bevause it's midnight, or because I'm half drunk, but your comment made my day/night/whatever, thank you
"So long, Western bro!"
"In the name of the Byzantium Empire, you are under arrest Theodora"
"Are you threatening me Master Jedi?"
"Byzantium will decide your fate"
"I am Byzantium"
"Not yet"
"It's treason then"
That sounds a lot like the NIKA Riots
They had a Senate
@@iDeathMaximuMIIShe IS the Senate!
The Marble Emperor will awaken and reclaim the Golden City from the invaders.
***** Unlikely
Most likely.
+Sundiata Keita look buddy we can dream
@@snorlzsnorly6250
_A dream that will never happen_
@Steve _#MakeGreeceOttomanAgain_
Ah, Byzantium, the only TRUE Roman successor....Octavian Augustus Caesar says hello.
Why Octavian? How about Julius Caesar?
Because the game this is in, Civilization V, doesn't have Julius, but it does have Octavian.
Adam Pleasants Oh okay. I thought that you somehow compared Octavian to Theodora and I would've wanted to know how they were similar.
Cedars
Well, the vast majority of Byzantine/Eastern Roman history was it yelling at everyone that it was the Roman Empire (which it was), especially under Justinian, Theodora's husband, who dreamed to restore the city of Rome to the Empire...which is funny, because the Roman civilization (i.e. Augustus) is a playable entity, and the two civilizations will treat each other like any other civilization.
Adam Pleasants I see. And I think that Justinian was actually descended from early Roman settlers. He was also the last Byzantine emperor to speak Latin. This is probably why he had a strong connection with restoring Rome.
"Master Belissarius, how goes the siege? I must say, you're here sooner than expected."
"In the name of the senate and the people of Rome, you're under arrest Pope Silverius."
"Are you threatening me, master Belissarius?"
"Rome will decide your fate."
"I AM Rome."
"Not anymore."
"...it's treason then."
I see some one with a similar comment below. Is it a meme?
@@secrethandlebelongstome yes, it's from the film revenge of the sith since the soundtrack sounds similar to that of the movie.
The great Hagia Sophia, how wonderful she looks *without* minarets. :)
Michael96 The minarest make it more beautiful I think, it's like an last touch, the high towers. Without the towers just the dome is majestic
I was raised Orthodox but I still cannot see Hagia Sophia without the minarets. It just looks wrong.
@@principetnomusic
_It just looks majestic with the minarets in my opinion_
It looks good either way. A lot of mosques were converted into churches by Isabella and Ferdinand in Spain, too. Better than destroying architecture. In many ways, the Byzantines and the Ottomans were no different from eachother. They were both aggressive empires that wanted land.
"You fool. You have made a terrible mistake" your wife/girlfriend when you forget her birthday or your anniversary
I heard the weird beep at around 0:03 and thought it was my Microwave going off.
Herbivore The Carnivore that was because of the organ. I think is violin so this "beeb" was because of it...
Not going to lie, this is very epic. Almost too epic.
2:05 sounds like Star Wars.
Byzantine Empire = Empire (in Star Wars) ??!!! Mind blown
Cruze Eider loomynarty
Kenneth Dinkleburg Hahaha yeah xD Insert strange piano piece
Cruze Eider In a Galaxy Far far away... Byzantium can into Space
Mr. Worldwide Btw you never did tell me , you're from Turkey ?
The Horseman is a humble looking unit with a simple spear and tunic.
Its byzantine replacement, the Catraphact, looks like the fanciest unit in the game.
*wat*
very star wars at bits
1:06 to 1:28 - I can just picture the trade federation army marching on Naboo here
The Empress is most displeased with your lack of faith, commander.
its nice to see that the civ 5 music crowd on youtube is like its own little community, i recognize many usernames/avatars here
[MISSIONARIES INTENSIFIES]
Many compare Byzantium with Ottomans in the comments, but the truth is, Byzantium at Theodora's time, the sixth century, would not just defend against the Turks, but push them back to wherever they came from.
The only reason Ottomans won was that the crusaders (and lots of other smaller barbarian organizations) betrayed and ravaged Constantinopole, as well as sacking many other smaller cities. Even then, they struggled to take a city defended by 8000 men using a ten times larger army.
Theodora has denounced Doge Enrico Dandolo.
I love this musical piece, it simply screams intrigue and religious purging. I can imagine the inquisitors marching through my former capital trying to extinguish the last of the religion I founded.
Inquisitors were the Spanish thingy but yeah, I can imagine Byzantines doing so ;-)
That's what you get for stealing the Hagia Sophia!
Thats what you get for embracing autocracy instead of glorious Communism!
the prussian That must be why Stalin banned homosexuals then.
+the prussian That is in capitalism, the individual one works for a new Feudal Lord.
+the prussian "in a communist state people are a resource" Ha, like capitalist states are any better (I'm not even a communist, just a democratic socialist).
the prussian I can't comment on that specifically because I'm not that familiar with German politics. But to say democratic socialism is responsible for Europe's ills is laughable. The mainstream "socialist" parties here moved right ages ago. They're socialist in name only, they're all centre-left neoliberals these days. We haven't had a voice for some time, although that seems to be changing, slowly but surely. As it stands, the only socialists in Europe with any degree of power are Podemos, Syriza (although the EU did a pretty good job of bludgeoning them into submission) and, for now, the Labour Party.
Theodora and Suleiman are allies against Augustus and Darius. My install of civ hates historical accuracy, I feel like this is what would've happened if tumblr had free rein of history. Ah well, at least I get to hear this theme more often.
The Civ Series has never been considered to take political correctness seriously, especially after... well... the original Ghandi incident...
Rogue Wisdom What do you mean? I clearly recall Gandhi Nuking Pakistan, the British Isles and America . . . or was that with philosophy, not uranium . . .
Mongolian great phophet is on the way.
When you accidentally assume Hagia Sophia as a mosque
Actually, I think it had more to do with using Justinian in Civ 4. They seem to like varying it when they can. Besides, they were very much partners. Theodora is, according to the story, the one responsible for keeping Justinian on the throne.
To all those writing that Byzantine Empire = Greek Empire , you do realise that you basically repeat medieval western propaganda? :D
"Byzantines" called themselves Romani and their state was formally called Roman Empire untill it's very end. In western europe it was often called Empire of the Greeks and it's rulers vere adressed as emperors of the Greeks in order to separate them from the prestige of the Roman Empire.
At least those "barbarians" weren't getting BTFO by the caliphate. Post 630 Byzantium was a joke. Even the other western nations could tell and decided to put the Byzantines out of their misery in the 4th crusade. Tell me, how does an "empire" (lol) fail so bad that the people on a mission partly to save them end up beating the shit out of them instead when they realize everyone would be better off without them?
Gearfire Bro check your history again during the macedonian dynasty byzantine was once again pretty powerful, and the 4th Crusade was actually a shame, without it Byzantine would have probably recovered and would have survived much longer. It's also a shame because the crusaders attacked a christian city robbed, raped and killed many people, that's just a shame and tells you how much honor these crusaders had.
Silver Fullbuster The 4th Crusade just proves what everyone should already know, that the Crusades were way more politically motivated than religiously motivated, just like any other war. If a force strong enough to depose Byzantium could be bought off like that from the inside, then it's just as much a fault of Byzantine politics as it is Crusader greed. The nations that took Byzantium out ended up becoming far more successful than them anyway, so it's pretty much just par for the course for empires.
Gearfire "Far more successful", well you know that the Byzantine Empire was once part of the Roman Empire right? And they were way more successful, for a longer period of time than the Ottomans...
Silver Fullbuster A lot of places were once part of the Roman Empire. Sure, Byzantines called themselves Romans, but nobody else ever paid them any mind by a certain point. If we're looking at Byzantine achievements we should be looking at the empire from around 500-1453. Not saying the Ottomans were any better, but being better than the dying man of Europe is not an achievement. The Byzantines were a remnant of an older era that died out like all remnants eventually do. It wasn't some grand exceptional tragedy. It was Medieval life and politics, and the Byzantines ended up becoming the whipping boy. It's happened numerous times to numerous peoples.
Theotheodora the explorer... DORA
XDXDXD
Theodora Skywalker
When she finds out you WOULD BE interested in a "trade agreement" with Elizabeth.
For me, this is my angry wife theme.
Byzantine Peace Theme: Theme of girlfriend
Byzantine War Theme: Theme of ex-girlfriend
lol true
When Maurice gets killed and Phocas takes the throne
Somebody didn't get her a pony for her birthday.
Friend, playing Carthage: Um, sorry, why does it say you're 'the Great'? Shouldn't it be 'Theodora the Pious'? What's up with that?
Me, lining up Dromons: You worry too much.
2:00 it sounds like Star Wars soundtrack
The horns at 1:23 made want to take out my lightsaber and take down some imperial troopers.
It's also nice to beat the Ottomans as the Byzantines, and beating Rome as Carthage
Well, as a woman I find that they've did a great job with leaders! At least it's balanced and characters make sense, do not forget that Theodora was one of the most powerful women and leaders in the byzantine empire. Everyone was afraid of her and not of her husband.
A long time ago, on a random european plain far far away..
Really picks up at 1:18. The Byzantines have some fantastic music in this game.
Petition for future civ games to change the name of Byzantium to Eastern Rome because that's really what they are.
This bean is in literally every game I play
when I hear this music I'm like: OH SNAP THE EMPIRE IS COMMING FOR MEEE GOT TO HIDE MY WORKERS AND FARMS
How does one hide a farm?
She's a vampire. First she offered her "friendship", then started demanding "help" like 2 turns later and later on demanded that I denounce Shaka with whom I had a good relationship which I obviously refused... so she denounces me instead. We proceeded to destroy her together with Shaka.
Indeed, she knew her stuff. She had been a harlot after all. By the way, we should have the Imperial Pair, now that Justinian was on Civ IV and Theodora is in Civ V (and was on Civ III, I think).
The (Byzantine) Empire Strikes Back
Not all empresses ruled beside their emperors, it depended wich emperor you see. Some did rule beside them and after their death, while others were overshadowed by their emperors.
" Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes which see reality..."
and she's pretty gorgeous in the mosaic aswell. :P
They were Romans, not Byzantines, which is a later invention.
Being a Roman means three things:
Orthodox Christianity.
Greek Language.
Roman Law.
Yes absolutely
>Greek language
>roman
@@ceasefire2825 eastern romans have always been different
Wouldn't the most important aspect of being Roman be having Rome?
@@bestroller7461 fair enough
Also there were very few women who were given significant power in history, at least compared to the number of men who were, so when someone like Theodora had so much power it's hard to pass up the chance to recognize her and to make the game less male-centric.
lol this became my favourite Civ V theme now.. xDD SO EPIC.
Those lands were ours and they will forever be
Long live the Byzantium Empire !
At the time of Great Theodora, Mehmed II's puny empire's ancestors had been crawshed (yes, crawshed) by Belisarius. Besides, I always like to rewrite history...
It is time for her to oust Basil II from Civilization VI and regain her place as the indisputable leader of Byzantium. She is and will remain one of the best leaders in the Civilization series especially with this wonderful war music.
When you declare war against Rhagaea
Belisarius. Get the troops! Ostrogoth delenda est. Vandal delenda est.
Lol
yes u can get ods that do that-one is, "yet not another earth maps" make sure they have true starting locations
So play as the Byzantines. They're awesome.
Me:welcome to civilization 5
Someone:no it's star wars actually
*the knights when they find out you broke sigma rule number 1: thau shall not be in a romantic relationship*
Actually, I just spent some time researching (er... I mean 'googling') this issue and discovered that I was actually confusing her for the Byzantine Empress Irene of Athens, who came along a few centuries later.
Oh do you smell the glorious decadence?
It smells of greek Fire and fresh tyros Red!
Theodora and the Byzantines... High elves in reality :D
Maybe I'm talking about High Elves in LOTR ? Or in Warhammer ? I am not speaking about Tamriel's high elves... There is tons of High elves models through books, movies or video games... Keep your head off Tamriel.
***** The thing is, during most Middle Ages, Byzantines were considered as ancient and noble people with advanced laws and army tactics (it became less and less true with time). That's why I think it is like High Elves : They are few representents of an ancient powerful and advanced empire (Roman Empire). I don't have clues for the three civilizations you quoted, I think Carthage and Roman can be considered as extinct ancient civilizations (still during middle ages) and Spanish are protrayed as religious fanatics by their civ leader (Isabela the catholic, the woman who made the inquisition...)
DarkAntem Well, in the Lord of the Rings, Byzantium is represented by Gondor. The similarities are too numerous to be mere coincidence: the surviving eastern half of a once-mighty kingdom, ruled from a huge city with impregnable layered defenses and the bastion that holds back great enemies in the East, located on a major waterway that divides the Eastern world of a great threat (Mordor = Turklands/Islamic Caliphate) from the West (Europe). There are so many minute details too, such as the ridiculous similarities between the real world Iron Gates (the ancient border of Byzantium along the Danube River, once guarded on two sides by statues of Roman Emperors) and the Argonath (the ancient border of Gondor along the Anduin, guarded on two sides by statues of Numenorean Kings). Tolkien drew a lot of his inspiration for Gondor from the Byzantines.
I think it's the music that's making you think High Elves. Howard Shore's Elf Theme is definitely based on Byzantine musical styles. ;p
Ambarenya13 Why everybody thinks I either speak about LOTR or Skyrim ? While I agree with you on everything you wrote about Gondor, I speak about High Elves in general, not in a particular movie/book/game/...
Well, you didn't explicitly exclude LOTR. You only explicitly excluded Tamrielic High Elves. Then you started talking about the Roman Empire and then the Middle Ages, which LOTR has very clear parallels with (Warhammer, not so much). Per your previous comment, I was aware you weren't talking JUST about LOTR, but I felt the comment was interesting to consider for the discussion.
When I miss the Divine Liturgy...
when you realize the hagia sophia was turned into a mosque
Dont fuck wit us
So that's what the Hagia Sophia looks like without minarets.
The Empire Strikes Back
The hagia sophia looks so much better without those ugly pencils to it! Wow
Carthage losses its capital!
Carthage has been captured by theodora!
2:06 Does this tune sound more like Star Wars?
oh man, she's so cute when she's angry
POV: Your a Roman citizen and suddenly the Arabs start coming in
yes it is, I conquered all of Europe in the Medieval era as England, now it's the Future Era and the British Empire still stands strong across the world
Only I can misread "Phos Hilaron" as "Paris Hilton" >_< .
Yes that is the Hagia Sophia, the "towers" (AKA minarets) were added after the invasion of the Turks where they would later convert the basillica into a mosque.
Yes queen, weeerk that opulence, proud to be Roman and living in Constantinople yess❤️❤️
M E L M A
The craziest thing I've ever done was declare war on Attila to capture one of her city...
Theodora didn't disapointed me :)
Byzantium shall come once more.
nope
Turkey Vetoed the UN Vote.
Mr. Worldwide What UN Vote??
Roman BV it was a joke.
+Prinz Eugen I eagerly await the revival of Byzantium
She was the wife of Emperor Justinian, basically his chief advisory, behind all of "his' good decisions, and more or less the true leader of Eastern Roman Empire/ Byzantine Empire.
To anyone who understand greek. Is it save to asume that in 1:17-1:45 it says "Ἄξιόν σε ἐν πᾶσι καιροῖς ὑμνεῖσθαι φωναῖς αἰσίαις,Υἱὲ Θεοῦ, ζωὴν ὁ διδούς"?? Thankyouu
The closest you can play as Serbia I think is the Byzantines, even though the Byzantines were not Slavs, but they are very Orthodox.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Technically the Byzantines were mostly Greek, but they controlled a sizeable area around Serbia and are probably the closest you could get. They were also the capitol of the Orthodox Church. Everyone else one could associate with the serbs wasn't really orthodox and was usually an invading power (although the Venetians were more interested in trade when they pushed that way, and a buffer against the Turks).
Actually I'll go a step further and call the Byzantines what they actually were. Romans. Despite being different then what we think of romans they follow roman law, customs, and even kept roman titles. And most importantly they thought of themselves as Romans. Not as Byzantines or Greeks. So in truth, perhaps they should be seen as Romans, even if they spoke Greek.
I am more of an expert on Pre-Dominate history, but the East Roman senate was even more of a figurehead than the West. The emperor was also called 'basileos', so I don't know how many Roman titles they used. Surely they lost a lot of the intricate magistrates early on after 476.
Serbia was part of the Byzantine Empire, so yes, they were Byzantines.
***** This is true
Constantinople . NOT Istanbul.
Sidderix check your map
Sidderix You must surely mean Tsargrad.
Constantinople is a cooler sounding name, and if many Europeans called it that in WWI, I might as well call it that now. Or we could be that guy and call it Byzantium like it was called at first.
Istanbul is a greek word too i think,if you will be happy with just the name
+Sungur Alp It's based on Greek "is tin polin" but the Greeks still call it Konstantinoupoli
My Favorite: Defeating the Mongols as the Ottomans.
Why does Byzantinium remind of King's Landing?
+KingLink95 Because King's Landing is based off of Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul
bobmcbob49 I was thinking that but I doubted myself because it was filmed in Croatia.
Game of Thrones? Don't bring your annoying fantastic show.
+bobmcbob49 it's more like London in the books but in the show for some reason it's way warmer and is filmed in Croatia (used to be Malta)