I had to say, I very much appreciate the fact that you are one of the few tech reviewers who explore the used market as much as I do. When a new iDevice comes out I am always excited but not for the new device but rather because older devices will become cheaper and in my price range. And I completely agree that the 2018 iPad Pro is a better buy than a new IPad Air 5th gen. Great video.
Yeah, I've always liked that Luke does that. Always puts a perspective on older and new tech in interesting ways. I buy my tech mostly used, so these videos are valuable to me. Used iMac, Macbook Pros, iPad and Apple Cinema Monitor as well as PC and monitors.
I wholeheartedly disagree, 8 gigs of ram are a huge deal. I mean this thing is going to be supported as long as the Air 2 was. Also, it's probably going to see more support than the Pro M1, because they're planning on selling it for significantly longer.
I'm the original owner of an IPad 3, I must have dropped it at least 100 times without any external rubbery protection,the edges are a bit tented, battery still good. It won't update but still works, it's priceless to me.
One of my best purchases has been a 2020 iPad Pro from the Apple Refurbished page. $600 for the same new design, 120hz, and is still more powerful than anything I need it for. I agree with your thought process that the new ones increasingly just make 1-2 year old models the best value. Hate to see this level of poor build quality though!
You can get the current gen iPad Pro 11 M1 at Walmart refurbished for $600 too. It's not always in stock is the only issue, however, it will often be in stock momentarily throughout the day. Just check periodically throughout your day and you will eventually get it in stock. It's not one of those 3rd party sellers either - sells directly from Walmart itself. I have mine on order. I'm selling my 12.9" 2018 and looking forward to getting back to the 11" size. Having that 8 GB RAM will be nice too.
Yeah totally agree. The 2018 12.9” iPad Pro still amazes me. Accidentally smashed the screen a year ago. Apple down here in Australia charge AU$1096 for the screen repair. I found a refurbished with double the storage for AU$1049. Done. Just a great value device. ProMotion is the key feature that makes even the old ones seen snappy… A12X still great for 95% of tasks.
I still rock the ipad pro 12.9 from 2016. Still a champ for my needs aka video consumer, browsing around, skype calls, email reading, offie suite and such. All these still very fast after 5-6 years. Battery still great. I can watch netflix all day long. I see no reason to upgrade it honestly
Yeah, definitely agree. There are so few differences between the iPads that it's certainly not worth buying the new ones. And the Pro iPads are worth it just for the screens. The 2018 one is awesome, but it seems the 2020 11 inch iPad Pros are starting to get cheaper, too!
The operating system doesn't matter, it's the performance. A12X and Z don't run power user apps like DaVjnci Resolve and Procreate all that well. Also won't be able to run future power user apps, since most people developing for the iPad use the M1 as a bottom spec and just throw some pity support at lower end models.
Watching this video on my 2018 12.9” iPad Pro which I bought in 2019. Absolutely love it and it honestly doesn’t feel, or look outdated in any way at all. Probably the best decision I have ever made for a tech purchase.
If I had to choose, I’d go with the pro 11 inch from last year just because of better cameras and center stage and future proofing. Also hoping that maybe they’ll do something to the iPads that have the M1. But if I didn’t care about any of this, I’d go for the cheapest iPad Pro 11 inch I can find or the new mini.
@@The_MEMEphis what do you mean? I take my best pictures with the iPad ❤️ lol no I’m joking. I meant older generation iPads do not have center stage, so that’s a bummer. The iPad Pro also had a flash. I mean. I barely use the cameras, but center stage would be pretty cool.
iPad’s biggest problem remains its software. As long as it’s hobbled by Apple’s weird restrictions and OS choices, plus the locked App Store, it’s never going to fully take advantage of any of the new hardware that Apple puts into it. Seeing M1 in the Pro last year with little to show for it hammered home how stagnant the iPad has become as a platform for software.
I use the same theory when buying Macs. I'm just waiting a few more months for the first gen M1 mini to drop in price and I'll snatch one of those up. M1 with a 1TB SSD and 16 GB of RAM is far more computer than 98% of the population would ever use or need anyway.
You should go order that spec now. Not a single store has an M1 Mac with 16GB of ram, all of the skews have 8GB no matter what. The only way is build-to-order. It will be really hard to find an M1 with 16gb and 1tb as a very small amount of people actually ordered it (build to order) that way.
@@notfunctioning I've already found 3-4 on facebook market. Just waiting for the prices to drop a bit. They are out there. There will also be some coming to the apple reburb store.
Im still rocking my 2019 and it does all i need it too. The battery is starting to die though and isn’t holding a charge as well as it used to BUT it lasted longer than all my previous generations.
New battery is $99 installed at the Apple store. Local shops can often do it for less. The one by me asks $69. If you just need battery, that’s cheaper than an upgrade!
my ipad is from 2012 the iPad 3, still using it every day. it slowed down because of the internet that changed, and the Os is too old to get updates for youtube app for example. this wont happen with M1. battery is still like first day even after a decade. maybe you should get an apple charger and cable or whatever oyu are using. seems strange the battery showing signs already for such a young device.
I have the 2018 iPad Pro and I’ve never felt any need to upgrade. The speed improvements don’t matter much for my use and I’ve never had a good use for the rear camera
Honestly even in apps where you would expect the m1 to make a big difference, it just doesn’t. Seen side by sides with video editor export and a12z/X vs m1 was about the same time. It’s honestly hard to even get my a10x iPad Pro to bog down (although the battery is starting to suck and the home button may not make it another year)
Generally I agree with the sentiment, I just wanted to mention that I did this exact thing--got the air 4 when the air 5 came out (from Decluttr, even) with some mixed results. I got an apple pencil from them for $80 and it looked brand new, so that was great. The ipad, on the other hand, was totally messed up. It was dead out of the box so I plugged it in, did the setup and all once it revived, without thinking anything of it. But it never charged after many hours and would die if I unplugged it, making it rough just to get back into it so I could erase my account info before sending it back. Sending it back was a hassle because at first they said they would try fixing it first and issuing a refund only if they couldn't fix it, rather than simply issuing a refund on receipt of the return. Fortunately I was able to ask for that and they agreed, so it definitely could have been worse. But I ended up getting the 5 instead, partly because I didn't want any more waiting or hassle, and partly because I suspected that the M series would start getting exclusive updates and features soon. Kind of a gamble either way, but that was just my experience. In the future I would probably go apple refurb or something like an Amazon with easy returns. Or try and find something local that I can actually inspect before buying. For a moment there I thought I was going to have to wait who knows how long for either the repair or the refund.
I purchased my 2020 iPad Air from Costco along with the extended 2 year warranty. They typically will knock 10 bucks or so off the normal retail price but the service contract is what tipped the scales for me. For the same price as AppleCare+ I got a 2 year warranty with SquareTrade with no deductibles and that includes cracked screens and spills. If there's a lesson to be learned it would be to shop around.
I bought a 4th gen ipad air, 256gb for $250. Open box, but it was never used when I checked the battery cycles and everything. Great deal, I don't see a reason to upgrade to M1 by spending more than double the price.
I feel like you should have mentioned the battery. As an older iPad is going to have a battery with lots of its effective lifespan consumed. I still agree you with your points in general though. Of course you forget about those of us that just like shiny new things every once in a while.
I've got an 11" iPad pro from 2018 (bought in 2019 from Amazon for $714.00). Nothing I see at the moment tempts me to upgrade. But if (as I was at the time) someone is sitting on an old big-bezel baseline model (BBBM), this new iPad Air would be a good upgrade. And there's something to be said for buying new. I buy a lot of refurbished products so I have no problem with buying old or used. But there is something to be said for having a brand spankin' new product. And the new iPad Air is a fabulous product (my brother just bought one). But, yes, a smart shopper can get 95% of the functionality of the newest iPads by buying an older model (new or used). Now, please give me my free gift, Luke.
As someone who has tinkered with iPads from friends and relatives including the 9th gen iPad and 2018 iPad Pro, and 2020 iPad Air, I think I would want to go with the M1 iPads, because for my use case the iPad would basically be my secondary photoshop and Lightroom machine, and I’ve noticed a slow down on all of the iPads I’ve tried when doing tasks like photoshop on iPad. I think that for the majority of people, who just want to do web browsing, watching movies and social media on their iPads, yeah! The old ones are great, but I think it’s just the same as getting an older MacBook, when you try to do the heavier tasks that I feel make the iPad Pro “pro” and the MacBook Pro “pro” you see a huge reason to get the newer ones.
I have a perfectly functioning 2018 iPad Pro that does like 97% of what the m1/2 iPads do. I have very little reason to upgrade other than a fresh battery and additional windows when using an external monitor. For the price of a iPad Air 5th m1 iPad you can get a used m1 MacBook Air around $500+- which I already have a loaded version of. I’d need to find a super deal on a m1 256gb iPad for me to upgrade
I think when it comes to quality its just your experience may vary, the reason that i say that is because I had a 2018 iPad Pro and it had the screen flex issue. I could press on the back of my 2018 iPad Pro and it would do exactly what your iPad Air 2022 did. I will say though i completely agree that the new iPad Air is just not worth it
I like your take on older tech. I paid $495 for a used 2017 iPad Pro 12.9" with 256GB and unlocked cellular in like-new condition. I use it to edit photos and display music scores (for which it is fantastic). The screen is deliriously good, and I am not tempted to upgrade. If there's a minus, it's a bit heavy, but I have a music tummy-stand built-in.
Have been using my IPad Air 2 für 8 Years now and just purchased my M1 IPad Air. I hope to use it for the next 8 Years as well with that overkill Chip 😄
I bought my first iPad a few months ago (9th gen 256gb) for 430 brand new out the door. I use it for ForeFlight and movies when I fly commercial(hence the maxed out storage). So far its been nice. iPad OS is very limiting but for my use case it does fine. The M1 iPad is only held back by iPad OS so it doesnt cut into the sales of the macbook Air. Stage manager and USB-C/TB would be nice but if I need to be productive, Ill use my mac.
I literally said the same thing when they came out with the iPad Air a couple of years ago and now this one. It is a 2018 iPad Pro scaled down. I’m still using my 2018 and until they make M1 worth it for the iPad, then I’m happy to keep using my 2018 pro.
For markets where it is not so common to upgrade devices for such a high price, the second-hand market is through the roof with the prices and a device lasts until it begs for its final rest... it is a great value... For markets that change their device every year, an updated one like this generation sounds like a bad deal, but if you plan to use your device the 8 years of support and several more outside of it is a good deal nwn
I mean, here in Italy last year's iPad Pro (11 inch) 2021 is less expensive than this year's iPad Air (both new). With the current princing it just doesn't make any sense.
I bought my 2018 iPad Pro in 2020 as a refurb and it is hands down the best tech purchase in terms of value for money I have ever made. I use it all the time, I saved enough money that it took the pain out of spending money on the Apple Keyboard and pencil… All in all I think it was totally worth it. You can even get the Apple Pencil II refurbished now, which saves you about twenty bucks… so sooty woot woot woot. I am still excited to see how Apple evolves the iPad line and what they do with iPad OS… I think if they hit that sweet spot with iPad OS being more like a touch screen Mac that you can draw on they will have a winner.
I’m one of the crazy people that use an iPad as my main computer, so I maxed out my M1 at 1TB of storage, mainly for the 16gb ram. I love the form factor of it, I know the software has limitations but for the power i still can push outta the machine in the 11in size, it can’t be beat for me, it is truly 100 percent portable. Now, I won’t be giving this one up for a long while, so I don’t really plan (barring any broken screens or water damage) on buying a new iPad for at minimum 5 years.
One of the main things I love about the iPad Airs is the Touch ID on the home button. I currently have an Air 4, max spec, but I don't know if I should grab an Air 5, especially since they didn't give it a 512Gb option. The touch ID is one of the main things that kept me from going for a 2018 Pro. I'd be interested in the real-world performance comparison between the A14 and M1, with regular use, gaming/video editing, and peripheral support.
For me this is aimed a very specific set of people, Travel Vloggers. I mean apple does actually sell the DJI Pocket 2 on their site. I'm talking about The kind of travel Vloggers that travel light and live out of one rucksack. To reduced the footprint and space a laptop takes up but still be able to editing videos (which for most of the time are just throwing 45 Minutes worth of clips together) & have the power to get a video edited and exported in one night is invaluable. For the most part i agree this is way overpowered for most users but for Travel Vloggers this could be a game changing tool if utilised with the likes of lumafusion. Anyways that just my two cents.
I upgraded from the 2018 6th gen iPad (that I bought new in 2018) to the 6th gen iPad mini December 2021. Once I experienced the upgrade to the Apple Pencil 2 no going back to first gen Apple Pencil.
I bought it and I haven’t looked back. Trading in my 6th gen iPad w/ LTE and got $190 for it when I paid $200 when I bought it as a warranty replacement so I paid 200 for it because the one that was replaced was also $200 through my phone warranty. This thing moves as fast as my thoughts! Loading apps ground up looks like it’s coming from TSR. I don’t need the features of the pro over getting $190 trade-in plus $100 promotional credit. Getting this iPad for $620 including taxes with 256GB of storage is like buying a tiny base model M1 iMac 24in.
Would probably get an m1 iPad Prod if it's getting refreshed later this year. The Air may be enticing with the colors, but by the time the new pro comes out, they're gonna be similarly priced or cheaper.
I bought an iPad Air 4th gen when I bought my iPhone 12. Before I was using a iPad 6th gen and an IPhone 6s. I knew I would be going back to school for my degree, so I bought new knowing that I would keep them through graduation. The Air 4 is fantastic. Battery life could be better and so could the display, but overall it’s an iPad. You know what you are getting when you purchase one. I always recommend people buy used a generation behind unless they are coming from far older devices. Then buying new makes sense because the turnover rate is so low.
I absolutely agree with you Luke, I own a 2018, 11" iPad pro with 256gb and it's still going strong... like you I believe that it's Apple most transformative product in the last 5ys!!! always a pleasure hearing your perspective on Apple. ✌️
M iPhone 13 Plus was packed weird also. I didn’t record the unboxing (lol) so I don’t remember whether it was flipped over or if it was top to bottom but it wasn’t right. Also worth noting that I’m typing this on an iPad Air 2 that I’m perfectly happy with. There is a discontinued Zagg keyboard that makes this version like a little laptop and as long as I can keep this configuration going I don’t plan on doing any upgrading on it. (Why can’t anyone else make a laptop type case for these things? The keyboard is also very satisfying to use)
The question, with all the power of the M1, why are we still not able to run Final Cut Pro and Pro Tools on the new iPad's? If you could, there would be no reason to buy an older iPad. Could it be that Apple is holding back on this feature for the iPad to protect the future of their Desktops?
I'm going to keep banging the same drum. If over half the ipad models have m1s with hypervisor accelerators, we need a hypervisor framework in ipados. Then these things will be worth it. A small light base os, but jump into a full vm if you need it for certain tasks instead of needing a remote desktop app and network access
Apple would never give you that flexibility because then you’d buy fewer devices. They could just as easily let you dual boot MacOS as it obviously runs on the M1 hardware. But they won’t.
@@the_wiki9408 Optimizing macos to run natively on the ipad(and apple taking full responsibility for the experience) while keeping mac purists on laptops and desktops isn't easy. Touch friendly targets just aren't going to make people on a new studio and studio display happy. Just putting in the api and letting app developers deal with trying to shoehorn a desktop experience into the ipad though is much less risky for them. Just like they let remote desktop apps in the store, but don't make their own. If it did take off and everyone was downloading vm apps from the app store, apple could make their own macos inside ipados type app or something(but probably still wouldn't).
@@jonpcostello Understandable, but they've already done the opposite and allowed iPad apps on MacOS with a bad keyboard and mouse alternative for touch input. So offering an equally poor experience the other way as well at least gives us choice. I suspect most would want the fancy apple keyboard w/ touchpad for using desktop software anyway. Maybe Apple makes it a requirement and then it can be a way for them to extract more money from us. Also, the same would apply for allowing virtualization you mentioned above. Not sure how Fedora or Windows ARm is going to work without a keyboard or mouse.
@@the_wiki9408 Yeah, I think the poor experience of ios apps on mac is reason enough for them to not try something like that again. All the egg is on their face when something like that doesn't work. The problem of getting fedora and windows arm working well through parallels or whatever app isn't on them at all. They just add an api, it's a lot less work, no real risk, and a potential to upsell some users with more storage
Absolutely disagree with you. I use pro 2018 and I constantly bumping up to the limits of its chip. I’m convinced they still need to make more powerful iPads.
iPad Air 2 user here. Future proofing is something I didn't plan for but I'm happy that it lasts so long. On a 4 year old iPad you not only have the downside of shorter software support but also a used battery. You have no access to original apple batteries so changing it yourself isn't going to happen. As you said the iPad doesn't change that much so planing for 7-8 years on my next iPad is definitely an option.
@@Andi11144 $100... worth it for an old device? probably not, unless the device is still great, like my 1TB 11in iPad pro from 2018 (the battery is still like new, but in a few years if it degrades I'll have it swapped, but on an old device like my mini 4 I'll simply let it die).
Yup I am so glad you agree. The software STILL cannot take full advantage of the massive performance of the a12z. This past Christmas my grandma kept asking oh should I get the new iPad, she now has a 2018 refurbished pro with the Logitech backlit keyboard case. I’m sure the iPad Air will get updates for a long time but yeah every time I’ve tried to future proof anything I just end up way over spending usually. I say go for the 120hz.
Is the M1 too powerful? It will still be more than capable in 4 years, an older one may be OK after another 4 years? I’ve always invested in the latest iMac but always need to replace it after 5 years as the software demands have increased substantially. We have an iPad Air 2 but had to relegated it to very minor tasks because whilst it works it cannot cope.
Easy solution to makes people buy the New iPad: put an headphone Jack, sdcard slot, 4 Thunderbolts, and a real os instead of a toy software that is not even capable of copying files without errors...uh i was almost forgetting...make it right to repair compliant.
Exactly my thoughts when the iPad Air came out - but in my case I think the 2020 iPad Pro with the LiDAR camera and FaceID etc is the one to go for especially as Apple are still selling official refurbs at amazing prices.
Luke (& others), your opinion: I use an iPad 7th Gen to run ForeFlight for flying. The $429-at-the-time 128GB iPad is great, but I know ForeFlight is working it pretty hard, causing the battery to drain a good bit during a 1-2hr flight. I'd like a more powerful iPad that runs cooler and uses less of the battery in ForeFlight. Thinking maybe the $609 refurb iPad Pro 11" (2nd Gen, A12Z) w/ 128GB. ProMotion and twice the storage would seem to give it the edge over the $599 iPad Air 5th Gen (and a 4th Gen @ $499 for that matter), don't you think? And A12Z ought to be close enough in performance to give me the same improvements over my current A10 Fusion iPad, right? Thanks for the video to get the options thought process going!
You are leaving out one advantage the new iPad has over a used one. What’s the batttery condition of a 2-3 year old iPad vs a brand new one? How many years of useful life does it have left? I think that should at least be considered when weighing your choices.
They can do it in 2 ways as i see it. Either cut or somehow limit functionality of those ios updates or make iOS more usable. Bring some better software to it that can take advantage of higher specs. And that is probably what they have to do now.
Watched this video on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 that I bought used and I still think it’s a great piece of kit. Yes, the home button dates it but it works and does everything I need . Great content Luke 👍🏻🇬🇧
OK, this is kind of ridiculous to say, but it’s true… I have a first generation iPad Pro 12 and I have no interest in replacing it whatsoever! I don’t need to! It’s still powerful, running the latest OS, universal control works fine with it, as well as Sidecar, it has a great battery life, even now, and does 90% of all my regular office/browsing/studying I need. Even gaming a little. And I still think it has more to give, so I even recently invested on a new Smart Keyboard for it, since the first original one stopped working. And life goes on! This is a great device! iPads are tough machines.
I am so mad, i bought an iPhone 12 mini a month ago that was amazon renewed for $540 and on decluttr for a PRISTINE one its $430. I wasted so much money. I couldve gotten the 13 mini on decluttr for the same price I paid for the 12 mini.
Upgraded from Air 2 to Air 4 last year. Honestly apart from the frames not dropping in games and improved display, it feels the same. iPads have gotten just too good
I love my 2018 iPad Pro 12.9... I definitantly used it more before Covid.. Once I start traveling more... a newer iPd Pro with 5G would be awesome. For now my 2018 is good enough.
Hi Luke - can you please make more of this sort of comparison? It is extremly valuable to understand if devices from e.g. 2016/2017 are still recommended and how they compare with the newest generations. Apple will not like this, but I bet a majority of the users want to know what the get in terms of every day use (not benchmarks) from the generation of Apple procducts. E.g I have a iPad Pro 10.5 form 2017 and I do not know if I would feel any difference from upgrading to an iPad Air M1 .... Thank you!
Great video Luke!! like always. You make me feel so good about my 2018 iPad Pro which I also love and don't feel the need to upgrade now!! Guess the only feature of these new iPads is the M1 chips inside them.
i bought the 4th gen air in September and kinda feel ripped off. a m1-chip isn't really necessary for my daily usage, so i don't really care that much about it, i guess it was just bad timing
You can put a Ryzen GPU and 4 xeons, but it still runs iPadOS. It’s like having a LaFerrari and driving at 20mph. Until they put macOS in it the iPad Air/Pro simply is not a compelling offer. If I wanted an iPad to watch videos and whatnot, I’d get the $329 model.
My problem: Currently on a 2017 10.5" iPad Pro. Don't want to upgrade to a 2018 Pro because it is only 1 year newer than my current iPad. Also don't want to upgrade to a 2020 iPad Pro because more or less the same chip as the 2018 one. Also don't want to upgrade to any of the newer ones because bad value. Guess I have to wait for the M1 iPad Pro to become cheaper?
The only flaw with the 10.5 Pro is white spot issues. Had it twice! Having said that i get it as I had the 512GB 4G and ended up paying Apple £406 for a replacement one. Why? Well all the accessories for an iPad Pro cost a lot! What nobody says (even as an M1 Pro 12.9 owner) is you are looking at about the cost on an Air again to get a new magic keyboard and pencil (I have the logitech keyboard/trackpad case for my 10.5 and in some ways I prefer it!) Even if you got that instead still looking an extra $/£ 320 on top.
Same, had mine since launch... still speeds through any thing I do. Only gripe is the battery life. Cannot justify a new Pro and won't do without the promotion, just a waiting game for next gen I guess.
I can totally relate. Still using my 10.5 pro every day. I should prob just get a new battery and use it until they stop supporting it. Still does everything I throw at it, including video and photos editing. Got mine as a refurb, so maybe they already fixed the white spot. Never seen it myself and it’s like 3.5 years old now.
@@richarddcrossley I prefere FaceID and want USB-C. Also the Apple Pencil Gen2 would be nice, since it constantly charges when it is docked. I already have a 14" Macbook Pro with M1 Pro chip. So no need for a keyboard or mouse/trackpad with an iPad. I use only the Apple Pencil for note taking.
Honestly I just grabbed the 6th gen mini at a discount. I’ve owned an air and a pro and I just can’t do big tablets. The mini is a great size for my use case
I was thinking about the same thing with the iMac Mini M1 to the iMac Mini M2 with the Studio M1 Max looking from the other side. How does Apple give enough upgrade performance to make you buy a new M2 but reduce the advancements not to anger the Studio M1 Max buyers and still tempt others to buy the Studio at the higher price point. Or do they bother?
Yeah I have been telling anyone who will listen the 2018 refurb, or maybe the 2020, is the best deal. Same warranty, new chassis, new battery, $509 starting.
I have an iPad six generation I just wasn’t able to log into it and said it’s not activated I drew on procreate and made my albums and my album covers, and I made albums on my GarageBand and watched movies with a friend with FaceTime and watched TH-cam made TikTok and TH-cam videos and use the iMovie to do my editing and stuff and I’m looking for something cheap and I’ve seen things $200 up to $400 or whatever and I’m looking for something that I can do all that on that’s kind of an iPad. I would like to get an iMac or MacBook Pro a cheaper one on eBay that I could do those things on as well do you think you could make a videohelping me out with these decisions
Personally, I can live without a lot of the snazzy features of the more expensive iPads. Based in part on your glowing review, Luke, I got a 9th Gen iPad back in January and love it! I did splurge a little and got the 256GB model. However, it was still a lot cheaper than any of the higher end offerings.
I had to say, I very much appreciate the fact that you are one of the few tech reviewers who explore the used market as much as I do. When a new iDevice comes out I am always excited but not for the new device but rather because older devices will become cheaper and in my price range. And I completely agree that the 2018 iPad Pro is a better buy than a new IPad Air 5th gen. Great video.
Yeah, I've always liked that Luke does that. Always puts a perspective on older and new tech in interesting ways.
I buy my tech mostly used, so these videos are valuable to me. Used iMac, Macbook Pros, iPad and Apple Cinema Monitor as well as PC and monitors.
I wholeheartedly disagree, 8 gigs of ram are a huge deal. I mean this thing is going to be supported as long as the Air 2 was. Also, it's probably going to see more support than the Pro M1, because they're planning on selling it for significantly longer.
100%, same with iPhones, just picked up a 13 Pro when the 15s came out
I'm the original owner of an IPad 3, I must have dropped it at least 100 times without any external rubbery protection,the edges are a bit tented, battery still good. It won't update but still works, it's priceless to me.
Think would rather go with an ipad pro because of Promotion. Once you got used to it, you will never want to have a 60hz screen again
Yup, just get an older iPad Pro
that's what I'm afraid... I love the mini lineup but 60hz...
@@BlizzardWind99 completely feel same, hopefully it will change with next ipad mini
This is why I just can’t get the mini. It’s great, but ugh. The Pro is just better.
@@Olli-Tech if they put 120hz on mini I think the jelly scrolling issue will be gone
I'm still rocking my 2017 iPad with the battery still going strong. Still haven't seen anything compelling me to upgrade it.
One of my best purchases has been a 2020 iPad Pro from the Apple Refurbished page. $600 for the same new design, 120hz, and is still more powerful than anything I need it for. I agree with your thought process that the new ones increasingly just make 1-2 year old models the best value. Hate to see this level of poor build quality though!
is ipad pro 2020 still worth it? im going to buy it. just for my studies and gaming
Or if you don’t need the 120hz, speakers, etc, the previous model a14 air is still incredibly powerful. In the same league as a12z.
Same here!
You can get the current gen iPad Pro 11 M1 at Walmart refurbished for $600 too. It's not always in stock is the only issue, however, it will often be in stock momentarily throughout the day. Just check periodically throughout your day and you will eventually get it in stock. It's not one of those 3rd party sellers either - sells directly from Walmart itself. I have mine on order. I'm selling my 12.9" 2018 and looking forward to getting back to the 11" size. Having that 8 GB RAM will be nice too.
@@joshkatsuki6908 of course
Here with my 2018 11” iPad Pro. No regrets!!!
Yeah totally agree. The 2018 12.9” iPad Pro still amazes me. Accidentally smashed the screen a year ago. Apple down here in Australia charge AU$1096 for the screen repair. I found a refurbished with double the storage for AU$1049. Done. Just a great value device. ProMotion is the key feature that makes even the old ones seen snappy… A12X still great for 95% of tasks.
I've been using a 2018 iPad Pro 12,9" since it came out, and I simply can't justify upgrading right now.
I still rock the ipad pro 12.9 from 2016. Still a champ for my needs aka video consumer, browsing around, skype calls, email reading, offie suite and such. All these still very fast after 5-6 years. Battery still great. I can watch netflix all day long. I see no reason to upgrade it honestly
Yeah, definitely agree. There are so few differences between the iPads that it's certainly not worth buying the new ones. And the Pro iPads are worth it just for the screens. The 2018 one is awesome, but it seems the 2020 11 inch iPad Pros are starting to get cheaper, too!
Agreed. My 2017 normal iPad is still working great! It does everything I need it to.
Bought a 7th gen refurb from Apple in December. Same experience. Love it!
While I'm here with a 3rd gen iPad from 2012 xDD Using it as secondary monitor and netflix.
Even if Apple put MacOS on the iPad, it would still theoretically run on the 2018 Pro, because the Apple Dev Kit for M1 had an A12Z in it
The operating system doesn't matter, it's the performance. A12X and Z don't run power user apps like DaVjnci Resolve and Procreate all that well. Also won't be able to run future power user apps, since most people developing for the iPad use the M1 as a bottom spec and just throw some pity support at lower end models.
Watching this video on my 2018 12.9” iPad Pro which I bought in 2019. Absolutely love it and it honestly doesn’t feel, or look outdated in any way at all. Probably the best decision I have ever made for a tech purchase.
If I had to choose, I’d go with the pro 11 inch from last year just because of better cameras and center stage and future proofing. Also hoping that maybe they’ll do something to the iPads that have the M1.
But if I didn’t care about any of this, I’d go for the cheapest iPad Pro 11 inch I can find or the new mini.
Both have center stage and please tell me you arent takin pics on your ipad just use your phone
@@The_MEMEphis what do you mean? I take my best pictures with the iPad ❤️ lol no I’m joking. I meant older generation iPads do not have center stage, so that’s a bummer. The iPad Pro also had a flash. I mean. I barely use the cameras, but center stage would be pretty cool.
@@tuckercoffin2164 just get the iPad Air for center stage or even the base iPad 9
iPad’s biggest problem remains its software. As long as it’s hobbled by Apple’s weird restrictions and OS choices, plus the locked App Store, it’s never going to fully take advantage of any of the new hardware that Apple puts into it. Seeing M1 in the Pro last year with little to show for it hammered home how stagnant the iPad has become as a platform for software.
I use the same theory when buying Macs. I'm just waiting a few more months for the first gen M1 mini to drop in price and I'll snatch one of those up. M1 with a 1TB SSD and 16 GB of RAM is far more computer than 98% of the population would ever use or need anyway.
thats already a huge upgrade oyu did.
99% are far more than served with the very base model.
You should go order that spec now. Not a single store has an M1 Mac with 16GB of ram, all of the skews have 8GB no matter what. The only way is build-to-order. It will be really hard to find an M1 with 16gb and 1tb as a very small amount of people actually ordered it (build to order) that way.
@@notfunctioning I've already found 3-4 on facebook market. Just waiting for the prices to drop a bit. They are out there. There will also be some coming to the apple reburb store.
Im still rocking my 2019 and it does all i need it too. The battery is starting to die though and isn’t holding a charge as well as it used to BUT it lasted longer than all my previous generations.
Same for me but with the 2018. Still a fantastic device but the battery does go quick.
New battery is $99 installed at the Apple store. Local shops can often do it for less. The one by me asks $69. If you just need battery, that’s cheaper than an upgrade!
my ipad is from 2012 the iPad 3, still using it every day.
it slowed down because of the internet that changed, and the Os is too old to get updates for youtube app for example.
this wont happen with M1.
battery is still like first day even after a decade. maybe you should get an apple charger and cable or whatever oyu are using. seems strange the battery showing signs already for such a young device.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl It's impossible that your battery has not significantly degraded in 10 years.
iPad Air 3?
I’m still using my iPad Pro 1st gen, still runs latest iPad OS like a champ with not too shabby battery life too!
I have the 2018 iPad Pro and I’ve never felt any need to upgrade. The speed improvements don’t matter much for my use and I’ve never had a good use for the rear camera
Honestly even in apps where you would expect the m1 to make a big difference, it just doesn’t. Seen side by sides with video editor export and a12z/X vs m1 was about the same time. It’s honestly hard to even get my a10x iPad Pro to bog down (although the battery is starting to suck and the home button may not make it another year)
Just use the swipe instead of the home button
@@mr.techie8565 I try to remember to do that as often as possible, but I also need it for Touch ID.
@@the_wiki9408 Do you have rest finger to open on?
Absolutely love this channel , especially bringing the light to the used market where most consumer can afford .
Generally I agree with the sentiment, I just wanted to mention that I did this exact thing--got the air 4 when the air 5 came out (from Decluttr, even) with some mixed results. I got an apple pencil from them for $80 and it looked brand new, so that was great. The ipad, on the other hand, was totally messed up. It was dead out of the box so I plugged it in, did the setup and all once it revived, without thinking anything of it. But it never charged after many hours and would die if I unplugged it, making it rough just to get back into it so I could erase my account info before sending it back. Sending it back was a hassle because at first they said they would try fixing it first and issuing a refund only if they couldn't fix it, rather than simply issuing a refund on receipt of the return. Fortunately I was able to ask for that and they agreed, so it definitely could have been worse. But I ended up getting the 5 instead, partly because I didn't want any more waiting or hassle, and partly because I suspected that the M series would start getting exclusive updates and features soon. Kind of a gamble either way, but that was just my experience. In the future I would probably go apple refurb or something like an Amazon with easy returns. Or try and find something local that I can actually inspect before buying. For a moment there I thought I was going to have to wait who knows how long for either the repair or the refund.
I purchased my 2020 iPad Air from Costco along with the extended 2 year warranty. They typically will knock 10 bucks or so off the normal retail price but the service contract is what tipped the scales for me. For the same price as AppleCare+ I got a 2 year warranty with SquareTrade with no deductibles and that includes cracked screens and spills. If there's a lesson to be learned it would be to shop around.
I bought a 4th gen ipad air, 256gb for $250. Open box, but it was never used when I checked the battery cycles and everything. Great deal, I don't see a reason to upgrade to M1 by spending more than double the price.
I feel like you should have mentioned the battery. As an older iPad is going to have a battery with lots of its effective lifespan consumed. I still agree you with your points in general though. Of course you forget about those of us that just like shiny new things every once in a while.
I think the bezel size increase with the iPad Air might've been caused by the Touch ID sensor at the top.
That is to make the air a 10.9 inch screen
Making the 11 inch a iPad Pro feature
@@framedthunder6436 who tf would spend 200 dollars more for 0.1 inch screen increase?
I've got an 11" iPad pro from 2018 (bought in 2019 from Amazon for $714.00). Nothing I see at the moment tempts me to upgrade.
But if (as I was at the time) someone is sitting on an old big-bezel baseline model (BBBM), this new iPad Air would be a good upgrade.
And there's something to be said for buying new. I buy a lot of refurbished products so I have no problem with buying old or used. But there is something to be said for having a brand spankin' new product. And the new iPad Air is a fabulous product (my brother just bought one).
But, yes, a smart shopper can get 95% of the functionality of the newest iPads by buying an older model (new or used). Now, please give me my free gift, Luke.
unless there's some grand unseen plan with these M1 iPads, the intentionally feature limited iPad OS is the true waster of silicon
As someone who has tinkered with iPads from friends and relatives including the 9th gen iPad and 2018 iPad Pro, and 2020 iPad Air, I think I would want to go with the M1 iPads, because for my use case the iPad would basically be my secondary photoshop and Lightroom machine, and I’ve noticed a slow down on all of the iPads I’ve tried when doing tasks like photoshop on iPad.
I think that for the majority of people, who just want to do web browsing, watching movies and social media on their iPads, yeah! The old ones are great, but I think it’s just the same as getting an older MacBook, when you try to do the heavier tasks that I feel make the iPad Pro “pro” and the MacBook Pro “pro” you see a huge reason to get the newer ones.
I have a perfectly functioning 2018 iPad Pro that does like 97% of what the m1/2 iPads do. I have very little reason to upgrade other than a fresh battery and additional windows when using an external monitor.
For the price of a iPad Air 5th m1 iPad you can get a used m1 MacBook Air around $500+- which I already have a loaded version of.
I’d need to find a super deal on a m1 256gb iPad for me to upgrade
Absolutely agreed! Love my 2018 iPad Pro.
I think when it comes to quality its just your experience may vary, the reason that i say that is because I had a 2018 iPad Pro and it had the screen flex issue. I could press on the back of my 2018 iPad Pro and it would do exactly what your iPad Air 2022 did. I will say though i completely agree that the new iPad Air is just not worth it
I like your take on older tech. I paid $495 for a used 2017 iPad Pro 12.9" with 256GB and unlocked cellular in like-new condition. I use it to edit photos and display music scores (for which it is fantastic). The screen is deliriously good, and I am not tempted to upgrade. If there's a minus, it's a bit heavy, but I have a music tummy-stand built-in.
Have been using my IPad Air 2 für 8 Years now and just purchased my M1 IPad Air. I hope to use it for the next 8 Years as well with that overkill Chip 😄
easy, it has plenty memory, should get even longer OS updates.
I bought my first iPad a few months ago (9th gen 256gb) for 430 brand new out the door. I use it for ForeFlight and movies when I fly commercial(hence the maxed out storage). So far its been nice. iPad OS is very limiting but for my use case it does fine. The M1 iPad is only held back by iPad OS so it doesnt cut into the sales of the macbook Air. Stage manager and USB-C/TB would be nice but if I need to be productive, Ill use my mac.
I literally said the same thing when they came out with the iPad Air a couple of years ago and now this one. It is a 2018 iPad Pro scaled down. I’m still using my 2018 and until they make M1 worth it for the iPad, then I’m happy to keep using my 2018 pro.
For markets where it is not so common to upgrade devices for such a high price, the second-hand market is through the roof with the prices and a device lasts until it begs for its final rest... it is a great value...
For markets that change their device every year, an updated one like this generation sounds like a bad deal, but if you plan to use your device the 8 years of support and several more outside of it is a good deal nwn
I mean, here in Italy last year's iPad Pro (11 inch) 2021 is less expensive than this year's iPad Air (both new). With the current princing it just doesn't make any sense.
What's the price of last year's iPad pro over there?
@@MAH3RAJ Pro: 809,00€
Air: 869,00€
These are amazon prices so you might find them for cheaper but generally it's a good indicator of the price
I bought my 2018 iPad Pro in 2020 as a refurb and it is hands down the best tech purchase in terms of value for money I have ever made. I use it all the time, I saved enough money that it took the pain out of spending money on the Apple Keyboard and pencil… All in all I think it was totally worth it. You can even get the Apple Pencil II refurbished now, which saves you about twenty bucks… so sooty woot woot woot. I am still excited to see how Apple evolves the iPad line and what they do with iPad OS… I think if they hit that sweet spot with iPad OS being more like a touch screen Mac that you can draw on they will have a winner.
off topic but why does the iPad only come with a 1M charger. they advertise it as a laptop replacement but 1M isn't long at all for a usb c charger
I’m one of the crazy people that use an iPad as my main computer, so I maxed out my M1 at 1TB of storage, mainly for the 16gb ram. I love the form factor of it, I know the software has limitations but for the power i still can push outta the machine in the 11in size, it can’t be beat for me, it is truly 100 percent portable. Now, I won’t be giving this one up for a long while, so I don’t really plan (barring any broken screens or water damage) on buying a new iPad for at minimum 5 years.
One of the main things I love about the iPad Airs is the Touch ID on the home button. I currently have an Air 4, max spec, but I don't know if I should grab an Air 5, especially since they didn't give it a 512Gb option. The touch ID is one of the main things that kept me from going for a 2018 Pro. I'd be interested in the real-world performance comparison between the A14 and M1, with regular use, gaming/video editing, and peripheral support.
For me this is aimed a very specific set of people, Travel Vloggers. I mean apple does actually sell the DJI Pocket 2 on their site. I'm talking about The kind of travel Vloggers that travel light and live out of one rucksack. To reduced the footprint and space a laptop takes up but still be able to editing videos (which for most of the time are just throwing 45 Minutes worth of clips together) & have the power to get a video edited and exported in one night is invaluable.
For the most part i agree this is way overpowered for most users but for Travel Vloggers this could be a game changing tool if utilised with the likes of lumafusion.
Anyways that just my two cents.
I upgraded from the 2018 6th gen iPad (that I bought new in 2018) to the 6th gen iPad mini December 2021. Once I experienced the upgrade to the Apple Pencil 2 no going back to first gen Apple Pencil.
I bought it and I haven’t looked back. Trading in my 6th gen iPad w/ LTE and got $190 for it when I paid $200 when I bought it as a warranty replacement so I paid 200 for it because the one that was replaced was also $200 through my phone warranty. This thing moves as fast as my thoughts! Loading apps ground up looks like it’s coming from TSR. I don’t need the features of the pro over getting $190 trade-in plus $100 promotional credit. Getting this iPad for $620 including taxes with 256GB of storage is like buying a tiny base model M1 iMac 24in.
I've had an iPad pro 3rd gen 12.9 for ages and it's still excellent
Would probably get an m1 iPad Prod if it's getting refreshed later this year. The Air may be enticing with the colors, but by the time the new pro comes out, they're gonna be similarly priced or cheaper.
I bought an iPad Air 4th gen when I bought my iPhone 12. Before I was using a iPad 6th gen and an IPhone 6s. I knew I would be going back to school for my degree, so I bought new knowing that I would keep them through graduation. The Air 4 is fantastic. Battery life could be better and so could the display, but overall it’s an iPad. You know what you are getting when you purchase one. I always recommend people buy used a generation behind unless they are coming from far older devices. Then buying new makes sense because the turnover rate is so low.
I absolutely agree with you Luke, I own a 2018, 11" iPad pro with 256gb and it's still going strong... like you I believe that it's Apple most transformative product in the last 5ys!!! always a pleasure hearing your perspective on Apple. ✌️
Luke at his best! Well done.......makes you think.
M iPhone 13 Plus was packed weird also. I didn’t record the unboxing (lol) so I don’t remember whether it was flipped over or if it was top to bottom but it wasn’t right. Also worth noting that I’m typing this on an iPad Air 2 that I’m perfectly happy with. There is a discontinued Zagg keyboard that makes this version like a little laptop and as long as I can keep this configuration going I don’t plan on doing any upgrading on it. (Why can’t anyone else make a laptop type case for these things? The keyboard is also very satisfying to use)
really love the way you make your videos different
Thank you for this! My wife is looking for a tablet to replace her iPad 3 so this video will hopefully help her out!
The question, with all the power of the M1, why are we still not able to run Final Cut Pro and Pro Tools on the new iPad's? If you could, there would be no reason to buy an older iPad. Could it be that Apple is holding back on this feature for the iPad to protect the future of their Desktops?
I'm going to keep banging the same drum. If over half the ipad models have m1s with hypervisor accelerators, we need a hypervisor framework in ipados. Then these things will be worth it. A small light base os, but jump into a full vm if you need it for certain tasks instead of needing a remote desktop app and network access
Apple would never give you that flexibility because then you’d buy fewer devices. They could just as easily let you dual boot MacOS as it obviously runs on the M1 hardware. But they won’t.
@@the_wiki9408 Optimizing macos to run natively on the ipad(and apple taking full responsibility for the experience) while keeping mac purists on laptops and desktops isn't easy. Touch friendly targets just aren't going to make people on a new studio and studio display happy. Just putting in the api and letting app developers deal with trying to shoehorn a desktop experience into the ipad though is much less risky for them. Just like they let remote desktop apps in the store, but don't make their own. If it did take off and everyone was downloading vm apps from the app store, apple could make their own macos inside ipados type app or something(but probably still wouldn't).
@@jonpcostello Understandable, but they've already done the opposite and allowed iPad apps on MacOS with a bad keyboard and mouse alternative for touch input. So offering an equally poor experience the other way as well at least gives us choice. I suspect most would want the fancy apple keyboard w/ touchpad for using desktop software anyway. Maybe Apple makes it a requirement and then it can be a way for them to extract more money from us.
Also, the same would apply for allowing virtualization you mentioned above. Not sure how Fedora or Windows ARm is going to work without a keyboard or mouse.
@@the_wiki9408 Yeah, I think the poor experience of ios apps on mac is reason enough for them to not try something like that again. All the egg is on their face when something like that doesn't work. The problem of getting fedora and windows arm working well through parallels or whatever app isn't on them at all. They just add an api, it's a lot less work, no real risk, and a potential to upsell some users with more storage
Absolutely disagree with you. I use pro 2018 and I constantly bumping up to the limits of its chip. I’m convinced they still need to make more powerful iPads.
iPad Air 2 user here. Future proofing is something I didn't plan for but I'm happy that it lasts so long. On a 4 year old iPad you not only have the downside of shorter software support but also a used battery. You have no access to original apple batteries so changing it yourself isn't going to happen. As you said the iPad doesn't change that much so planing for 7-8 years on my next iPad is definitely an option.
Apple still service batteries for the Air 1, a 9 year old device... so I wouldn't worry about that...
@@_Digitalguy at what price?
@@Andi11144 $100... worth it for an old device? probably not, unless the device is still great, like my 1TB 11in iPad pro from 2018 (the battery is still like new, but in a few years if it degrades I'll have it swapped, but on an old device like my mini 4 I'll simply let it die).
@@_Digitalguy i don't get what you mean?
@@Andi11144 what I mean is "would you pay $100 for getting and old and slow device with a new battery?"
this changes with iPad os 16, where certain features are locked to M1 iPads only
Yup I am so glad you agree. The software STILL cannot take full advantage of the massive performance of the a12z. This past Christmas my grandma kept asking oh should I get the new iPad, she now has a 2018 refurbished pro with the Logitech backlit keyboard case. I’m sure the iPad Air will get updates for a long time but yeah every time I’ve tried to future proof anything I just end up way over spending usually. I say go for the 120hz.
Is the M1 too powerful? It will still be more than capable in 4 years, an older one may be OK after another 4 years? I’ve always invested in the latest iMac but always need to replace it after 5 years as the software demands have increased substantially. We have an iPad Air 2 but had to relegated it to very minor tasks because whilst it works it cannot cope.
Thank you again for great info! I literally posted on your site a week or so ago about trusted sources for used gear as I wasn't comfortable on eBay.
Easy solution to makes people buy the New iPad: put an headphone Jack, sdcard slot, 4 Thunderbolts, and a real os instead of a toy software that is not even capable of copying files without errors...uh i was almost forgetting...make it right to repair compliant.
This was a great video, it helped quite a bit
Exactly my thoughts when the iPad Air came out - but in my case I think the 2020 iPad Pro with the LiDAR camera and FaceID etc is the one to go for especially as Apple are still selling official refurbs at amazing prices.
Luke (& others), your opinion: I use an iPad 7th Gen to run ForeFlight for flying. The $429-at-the-time 128GB iPad is great, but I know ForeFlight is working it pretty hard, causing the battery to drain a good bit during a 1-2hr flight. I'd like a more powerful iPad that runs cooler and uses less of the battery in ForeFlight. Thinking maybe the $609 refurb iPad Pro 11" (2nd Gen, A12Z) w/ 128GB. ProMotion and twice the storage would seem to give it the edge over the $599 iPad Air 5th Gen (and a 4th Gen @ $499 for that matter), don't you think? And A12Z ought to be close enough in performance to give me the same improvements over my current A10 Fusion iPad, right? Thanks for the video to get the options thought process going!
You are leaving out one advantage the new iPad has over a used one. What’s the batttery condition of a 2-3 year old iPad vs a brand new one? How many years of useful life does it have left? I think that should at least be considered when weighing your choices.
Funny enough i still have and use my iPad Air 2 every day and every day im shocked by how well it works.
They can do it in 2 ways as i see it. Either cut or somehow limit functionality of those ios updates or make iOS more usable. Bring some better software to it that can take advantage of higher specs. And that is probably what they have to do now.
Tim : Wow! You'd think we hold a gun to your head saying you better constantly buy our latest products. 😂🤦♂️
My iPad air 3 is still kicking out so like you said no need to buy new iPad right now 😄
I am sticking to my 2018 iPad Pro. Maybe when they put an M2 in the Pro I will find some reason to upgrade, maybe.
Watched this video on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 that I bought used and I still think it’s a great piece of kit. Yes, the home button dates it but it works and does everything I need . Great content Luke 👍🏻🇬🇧
That’s my favorite iPad of all time! 🥳
OK, this is kind of ridiculous to say, but it’s true… I have a first generation iPad Pro 12 and I have no interest in replacing it whatsoever! I don’t need to! It’s still powerful, running the latest OS, universal control works fine with it, as well as Sidecar, it has a great battery life, even now, and does 90% of all my regular office/browsing/studying I need. Even gaming a little. And I still think it has more to give, so I even recently invested on a new Smart Keyboard for it, since the first original one stopped working. And life goes on! This is a great device! iPads are tough machines.
I am so mad, i bought an iPhone 12 mini a month ago that was amazon renewed for $540 and on decluttr for a PRISTINE one its $430. I wasted so much money. I couldve gotten the 13 mini on decluttr for the same price I paid for the 12 mini.
Upgraded from Air 2 to Air 4 last year. Honestly apart from the frames not dropping in games and improved display, it feels the same. iPads have gotten just too good
I love my 2018 iPad Pro 12.9... I definitantly used it more before Covid.. Once I start traveling more... a newer iPd Pro with 5G would be awesome. For now my 2018 is good enough.
Hi Luke - can you please make more of this sort of comparison? It is extremly valuable to understand if devices from e.g. 2016/2017 are still recommended and how they compare with the newest generations. Apple will not like this, but I bet a majority of the users want to know what the get in terms of every day use (not benchmarks) from the generation of Apple procducts. E.g I have a iPad Pro 10.5 form 2017 and I do not know if I would feel any difference from upgrading to an iPad Air M1 .... Thank you!
Besides the lack of pro motion, the iPad mini 6th gen has been a great "little" tablet
What if iPadOS "16" is the reason for the M1 chip running the iPad Air ?
Heck, I'm still waiting for an iPad that does me better than my current mini 2 Wi-Fi. For reading and occasional game play, it does everything I need.
If you upload on the 1st of April you need to have your intro say Luke Miana! Or Luke Miami? Whichever but it needs to happen.
Great video Luke!! like always. You make me feel so good about my 2018 iPad Pro which I also love and don't feel the need to upgrade now!!
Guess the only feature of these new iPads is the M1 chips inside them.
So buying the Air 5 with an education discount is $549 whereas the 2020 pro is $609 refurbished. Is the pro worth the extra money at that point?
It's 2024 now, and I'm planning to buy a new ipad. which one is better: a pre-owned iPad pro 2021 or a new iPad air 5? Thankyou
i bought the 4th gen air in September and kinda feel ripped off. a m1-chip isn't really necessary for my daily usage, so i don't really care that much about it, i guess it was just bad timing
You can put a Ryzen GPU and 4 xeons, but it still runs iPadOS. It’s like having a LaFerrari and driving at 20mph.
Until they put macOS in it the iPad Air/Pro simply is not a compelling offer. If I wanted an iPad to watch videos and whatnot, I’d get the $329 model.
I just bought the new iPad Air as I’m upgrading from the iPad 6th gen 🤔
My problem:
Currently on a 2017 10.5" iPad Pro.
Don't want to upgrade to a 2018 Pro because it is only 1 year newer than my current iPad.
Also don't want to upgrade to a 2020 iPad Pro because more or less the same chip as the 2018 one.
Also don't want to upgrade to any of the newer ones because bad value.
Guess I have to wait for the M1 iPad Pro to become cheaper?
The only flaw with the 10.5 Pro is white spot issues. Had it twice! Having said that i get it as I had the 512GB 4G and ended up paying Apple £406 for a replacement one. Why? Well all the accessories for an iPad Pro cost a lot! What nobody says (even as an M1 Pro 12.9 owner) is you are looking at about the cost on an Air again to get a new magic keyboard and pencil (I have the logitech keyboard/trackpad case for my 10.5 and in some ways I prefer it!) Even if you got that instead still looking an extra $/£ 320 on top.
Same, had mine since launch... still speeds through any thing I do. Only gripe is the battery life. Cannot justify a new Pro and won't do without the promotion, just a waiting game for next gen I guess.
I can totally relate. Still using my 10.5 pro every day. I should prob just get a new battery and use it until they stop supporting it. Still does everything I throw at it, including video and photos editing. Got mine as a refurb, so maybe they already fixed the white spot. Never seen it myself and it’s like 3.5 years old now.
@@richarddcrossley I prefere FaceID and want USB-C. Also the Apple Pencil Gen2 would be nice, since it constantly charges when it is docked.
I already have a 14" Macbook Pro with M1 Pro chip. So no need for a keyboard or mouse/trackpad with an iPad. I use only the Apple Pencil for note taking.
@@pr33tu_ Yes battery life is not good but not as bad as the battery life of my Apple Pencil Gen1. Yes I also want to keep promotion.
yeh i don't get the plastic thing they keep going on about, most of the stuff i've got has come wrapped in plastic
Maybe apple will come out with an ipadOS PRO version requiring M1. Compelling?
Just purchased a 256gb 2018 Pro 11 for £423. I believe it was £919 new. I can spring for a genuine Apple Pencil when I’m saving that much.
My iPad pro 2020 11 inch does the same flickering when pushed from the back.
Honestly I just grabbed the 6th gen mini at a discount. I’ve owned an air and a pro and I just can’t do big tablets. The mini is a great size for my use case
I was thinking about the same thing with the iMac Mini M1 to the iMac Mini M2 with the Studio M1 Max looking from the other side. How does Apple give enough upgrade performance to make you buy a new M2 but reduce the advancements not to anger the Studio M1 Max buyers and still tempt others to buy the Studio at the higher price point. Or do they bother?
What about if today in 2023? Is 2021 iPad Pro 11 worth an extra $150 in refurbished market over 2020 version? I did love the 2018 pro 11 tho.
If anybody is upgrading from an iPad Air 2, than future proofing is definitely a good argument
Yeah I have been telling anyone who will listen the 2018 refurb, or maybe the 2020, is the best deal. Same warranty, new chassis, new battery, $509 starting.
Yes, but would you recommend that 2020 refurb over the air 5 if I have an education discount? The air 5 is $549 and cheaper than the pro then.
I have a 2020 I need 5g but I won't upgrade till I see mini led. After that I have no idea what would compel me.
I have an iPad six generation I just wasn’t able to log into it and said it’s not activated I drew on procreate and made my albums and my album covers, and I made albums on my GarageBand and watched movies with a friend with FaceTime and watched TH-cam made TikTok and TH-cam videos and use the iMovie to do my editing and stuff and I’m looking for something cheap and I’ve seen things $200 up to $400 or whatever and I’m looking for something that I can do all that on that’s kind of an iPad. I would like to get an iMac or MacBook Pro a cheaper one on eBay that I could do those things on as well do you think you could make a videohelping me out with these decisions
Personally, I can live without a lot of the snazzy features of the more expensive iPads. Based in part on your glowing review, Luke, I got a 9th Gen iPad back in January and love it! I did splurge a little and got the 256GB model. However, it was still a lot cheaper than any of the higher end offerings.
Yes I have to agree, the ipad 9 is very capable of doing the tasks of what you want an ipad for.