Undisputed deserves all the tv awards. They talk about the same topics everyday and we come back and are hooked to skip and Shannon. “I’ve never seen anything quite like it! You know it, and I know it!”
@@ImSoOhio Ive liked Skip way better on this show than first take, both himself and the duo of him and Shannon is way better. Shannon deserves to be on the same pedestal that Stephen A is on in my opinion. Top tier analyst and entertainer. Stephen A Smith goes way overboard and watching him is annoying sometimes
Ahh yes , I love waking up and watching undisputed . Such fresh and new topics every single day . They rarely choose to speak on Lebron James , or Michael Jordan so this is highly surprising . Thank you skip and Shannon for Creating fresh new topics every single day . Without this debate I wouldn’t know how either skip or Shannon feels on the GOAT debate stance
I agree. They say "Jordan had no weaknesses." That's false. He can't hold his own against a decent center like Lebron can. And Lebron isn't as efficient at the free throw line like Bird. So yeah.
@@Bangman085 He’s probably referring to Hakeem The Dream Olajuwon. Legend has it Jordan got dominated by his rockets every year and faked retirement to avoid him. Might be true, might not but Mj is the goat
@@RonRyder agreed - I’m a huge Lebron fan and I think we should purely compare on-court performance. I think Lebron holds up quite well to Mike in that regard…
The reason they have to reach for off the court activities is because there is no arguement on the court they can use to prove Bron is better than MJ but this is about basketball give Lebron a humanitarian award for his off court actuvities we are evaluting performance on the hardwood period
I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron James
@@michaelbuckley5058 Sure... and Skipocrite's always Fair and SQUARE when it comes to Curry, Odell, Giannis, Mayweather, Lebron, Belichick, Luka...😴 Skip... "Baker's 11 game stretch, Ben Simmons 42 point game, KD's toenail on the line"...Bayless
I love how skip keeps mention how LeBron leads the league in attempt as a negative but Tom Brady did the exact same thing last year and he glorified it😂😂😂😂
Facts....lol and unlike Brady, LeBron is accomplishing all his milestones in fewer games and minutes than the people he's passing up to get there. Brady had all his yards last year from the fact that he threw the ball anywhere between 40-60 times every single game
Lets just ignore the fact that Karl had Stockton passing him the ball for like 18 straight years. Karl never had to initiate the offense/ lead the team in assists like how Lebron has had to, therefore Karl could focus on scoring. Every team lebron has been on hes been the scorer, passer/initiator of the offense. Imagine lebron having someone like kidd, nash, paul passing him the ball for 18 straight years. Lebrons journey to 2nd place all time is more impressive than karls.
@@sl1mreapa398 yeah but wade and kyrie weren’t pass first players and were never in contention for best passers in the league. Plus Lebron has arguably the highest iq of all time and is an all time great passer so it makes sense for him to run the show/ initiate the offense
I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron
@@Christappedin not really he’s played 19 years which is 6 more than Jordan and has way less success and way more losses he has longevity that’s it which it’s important but , longevity awards don’t define greatness
@@Christappedin wait fool Mike was 1 yr in and they was comparing people the Michael jordan of Now its we gotta wait til Bron retire to wait for people to compare people to him
Media and most fans see jordan as a god thats why they get so salty whenever people think someone else is the GOAT. Jordan is the most protected basketball player of all time he benefited from an era with no social media so everything that went bad in his career gets swept under the rug. Unlike guys like lebron who are always under the spotlight and everything they say or do gets scrutinized.
@@sac1211 somebody who recruits other superstars to join him or joins other team with stars to win cant be goat.somebody that crys,flops and has no loyalty cant be goat.somebody who throws his teammates under the bus just to get blame of him cant be goat.
@@V-tec28 you're just proving his point lol. there's plenty of footage of mj flopping yet here you are sweeping it under the rug because mj is the most protected athlete of all time and it isnt even close
Tim Duncan was still a very good defensive player his last year in the NBA, and still one of the best defensive big men...so Shannon has no idea what he is talking about on that Edit--For all you id!ots coming at me, saying Duncan was not good defensively his last season...He averaged 1.5 blocks, and 1 steal, in only 25mpg...and that includes where he fell off a cliff the last quarter of the season. He was still a solid defensive big. Numbers don't lie
He was a center too. Not the same position than LeBron, not the best player in his team neither one of the best in the NBA. During Tim Duncan's 19 season you could have added him to a contender team and his impact wouldn't be same if you add LeBron to any contender people will cry because it is unfair!
@@2robjenkins don't know about that, seeing as it's harder for them to run the floor with their big frames...but anyways, what does that have to do with what we are talking about? They weren't talking about how long a big man can play, vs a guard, but just if Tim was still a good defensive player or not. Vince played a long time...so did Jamal Crawford
@UCuKz_T1m7kOdQrpBj9gEfxg Nobody cares about Bron beating Derozan and Oladipo.. Mike swept Shaq and cooked the Jazz that sent Bron's dad Duncan home in 5.
NFL is boring hasn't been the same since the 2011-2012 season ended. No one watches that trash the games are too long and the most recent exciting superbowl for me was eagles vs patriots
Duhh they know it’s just these certain individuals or teams they talk about are marquee household names. They bring a lot of attention. Y waste time talking about teams that ain’t making no noise like the pistons or the magic?
Sad AF ! Because They go by a players influence and buzz. (Following) And it’s sucks, instead of them putting in work and making viewers aware of other players or teams who may not have the influence but have made the effort and accomplishments these other players make. They bacially just make everything about lebron because lebron fans tune in they just hijack his fans for views it’s basically “ lebron undisputed”
So Curry Is The Goat He Changed The Game With The 3Ball, Or Kobe With How Flashy & Confident, Or SHAQ With Dominance. Because They Changed The Game. So With Your Logic 🤷🏿♂️
Yea that and Chamberlain’s career rebound record, both untouchable. If I live to be 100 I still wouldn’t be surprised if those records are still standing when I pass.
@@kierra_mist I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron James
the only asterisk to that is in tems of peak greatness, what duration is the criteria for a peak, is it one game, one season? a decade? the problem with that is that people resorts to a subjective criteria to match their biases.
There's no Lebron James without Michael Jordan. Mike's his idol. It doesn't matter if Lebron will be the #1 scoring and assists leader of all time. The fact that he will do them by playing more seasons is just greatness in longevity. Micheal became the GOAT and being talked about until this day by playing lesser seasons than any basketball player.
It's wonderful hearing Skip say "well J Kidd will lean towards Lebron in these discussions because of their bond thru" Yet he has a similar bond with Jordan 😂
I’ll put Jordan, Kobe and Lebron in my top 3 all time. But I’m drafting Kobe over Lebron. Jason Kidd also thinks it’s okay to beat his wife. Jordan was the best offensive and defensive player - that’s “the whole package” for me. Longevity Lebron is the goat - gifted unlike anyone else with no injuries.
I love how analysts and fans act as if Jordan couldn't make threes. I know his career three point shooting mark is pretty bad, but he was actually close to 40 percent in one of his earlier years, and participated in the three point shooting challenge in the all-star game. He could make threes when he wanted to, like against the blazers in the finals, where he made 6 in a half I believe. The three just was nowhere near as big a part of the game then, and Jordan realized that no one could stop him going to the hole, or making mid range jump shots. With the likes of Lopez, Embid, Giannis, and many other big men being able to make threes, it is a joke to think that Jordan could not have been a 40 percent three point shooter if he had needed to be
I don’t get why there has to be a definitive GOAT, like as if there can only be one. I get that Greatest Of All Time would make more sense to a singular individual, but things change over the years. It would only be fair to refer to someone as the GOAT if we really think they’ll be the best no matter the era. Which lets be honest… It’s hard to say for any player. So in the end, it’s a matter of how good you are in your own era. If we follow that, then it would only be fair to allow multiple GOATs. Either one for every position or era. Nothing more, nothing less.
There has be a definitive goat because at the end of the day basketball is sport where weather your a child or a 40 year old man at the ymca you play to win so when we talk about about ball we are trying to come up with a definitive goat
Because there is a definitive goat. Numbers speak for themselves. Just like the scoreboard tells you who won the game. Stats tell you who was the best player. Otherwise stats would be pointless. There are stats in everything, even businesses and those stats tell you what business is the best.
Ya your on drugs how goats get outplayed by Jason terry and score 8 points in finals games how is bron better when statistically mj is better how he better when mj has more rings finals mvps regular season mvps scoring titles defensive player of the year all defensive 6 and 0 in the finals never lost never took it to game 7 avraged 42 in the finals hit the championship game winner in 1998 scored 45 that game is a better scorer defender then lebron when he played point guard avraged 33 10 and 11 that’s disgusting 😂😂
The league is far easier to score now. The NBA was much harder to score than now. Even Luka, Joker and Giannis said its easier to score in the NBA than EuroLeague. Those OG Euro players like Kukoc who came to NBA, never said that. The NBA was harder to score during MJ’s Washington tenure based on average scores. Yet, the man averaged 22 at 40 yo, before the knee injury took him out. His scoring was ramping up. He averaged 28 ppg those last 10 games. MJ has a lifetime 30 ppg average with no 3s and those two 20/22 pt game seasons in Washington, in a lower scoring league. D. Rose averaged 24-25 ppg his MVP year. You may not even make All-NBA Third team with that average now.
“Michael Jordan never shot the 3-ball well!” -Shannon MJ - 33% for his career Lebron - 34% for his career 🧐 Skip also made a good point that people can’t seem to understand…3s weren’t emphasized back then at all. It was a sort of court of last resort to get the team back faster from a deficit. And when these two were debating about Tim Duncan’s defense, Shannon said, well they didn’t ask that from Lebron. Yet he’s taking something against Jordan that wasn’t really asked of MJ to begin with. 🤷🏻♂️
Lebron was afraid to speak about China. He also was afraid to speak about Tamir Rice. He only spoke up once it got popular to do so. He didn't sacrifice anything. Lebron is not Muhammad Ali.
Just to remind you that Muhammad Ali was even sent to prison by racists like you who don't want to see an opinionated Blackman. LeBron will be remembered as a hero....all the hate towards him just proves how great his legacy is
I find it funny, how since I was young I heard Muhammad Ali was the goat for the same combination of on the sport and off the sport and no one said a word. But when it comes to someone overcoming their precious MJ, it’s an uproar.
MJ’s popularity was natural and the media fed on that. Lebron has been pushed since high school and even with his successes still isn’t as popular as MJ
First off, this show is tha best one going right now n they certainly deserve an award for best debate/sports/ show, hands down n they touch on certain subjects/topics on tha show bout other important issues as well, Much Respect for that 👏🏽.. They the best show going right now 💯.. Watching them two, makes your day n I love how they be so real n havre such great personalities, that make this show gold fr 🏵… They chemistry is unmatched n always come back to laughs n love in tha end ❤️👏🏽😂.. Wow was Skip so in his element n beyond on this one here lmaooo.. Unc tried lol, I-appreciate how they are both great at they jobs n they can make anyones day better f.. Jus like there will never be another MJ, there will never be another LBJ💯….. To everyone everywhere, stay safe stay blessed, always 🙏🏽✨🙏🏽
I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron
@Juan Gomez yes me too. I hate that tho. I wish we could not watch for a while so maybe they will change. I just can’t stand the constant cowboys talk. It’s literally multiple times every single day
@@kierra_mist jordans been retired for almost 30 years and lebron's team is the 10th seed and might not even make the playoffs giannis and imbiid are fighting for the mvp this season and they went head to head and had an amazing game and they don't even mention the game which is why first take is better the ratings prove that
MJ missed 2 years, 3years and came back to win when he probably think team will win but with best coach and best teammate always and ONE man stands tall for 19 years averaging 30 PPG at the age of 37 and they're telling at the age of 34, MJ was doing ceremonial appearance.. PPG is nothing.. In football we count total goals, in cricket total runs, In American football: total passes; MJ started in era where broadcasting and TV started so had advantage of all these press and players so they never want real GOAT Lebron to win more accolades and MVP awards.. They present argument of 6/6 in finals but what abt. remaining 7 playoffs 1st round or 2nd round out of MJ... LBJ is undisputed GOAT, highest scrorer, 10k+ rebounds/assists..
@@shaswatbhattarai8320 you bring up the 1st and 2nd round arguments yet ignore the fact that Lebron has also missed the playoffs more times than Jordan lol. Jordan made the playoffs every year in Chicago and only missed the playoffs when he was an old man in Washington.
The fact that lebron is getting spoken about next to Jordan makes him a goat in his own right. Nobody would’ve thought anybody would come close after Kobe but Bron did it his own way
What if jordan would have come into the nba straight out of high school and never retired the first or second time. Then the numbers would be different. But nobody seems to talk about that, paired with the new rules and the way 3 pointers have changed the game
yep agree, MJ's last 2 yrs in highschool plus his 3 yrs in college were all great years.. not to mention he never tasted anything other than gold(that 84 team was amazing even beating a bird-isaiah led nba team) in the olympics.. while leshannon has had a bronze and a no medal showing for the national team.. he didn't win in college and he only has 4 chips to show for in 10 tries in the NBA..
If you ask me who im starting my franchise with i would say Lebron but if you ask me what player in their prime i would take for 5 seasons i would pick Jordan.
@@nostalgiacorner1999 Lebron played 11 seasons with the CAVS, some players don’t even play 11 seasons, Magic and Bird played 13 seasons, MJ 13 with the BULLS, so what’s the difference ? 2 years ?
The fact that you "downgraded" him from your favorite pg because he picked bron over mike show how much of a fanboy you are and show you was never a true fan of jkidd to begin with
You’re right I’ll respect Keith’s opinion over an NBA hall of famer any day! You totally have the insight and knowledge of basketball to tell him he’s wrong! 😂😂😂
I’ve never seen so many people get mad because they think bron is the goat over jordan, or better than jordan, fact of the matter is not everybody believes MJ the goat.
There's only a few people in the goat discussion and lebron isn't one of them. Looking at his whole career up to this point, he just doesn't have "IT"...
MJ is the GOAT, but The idea that the 3-point shot was not valued during his time is simply NOT TRUE. Larry bird was a known 3-point shooter. Reggie Miller who currently holds the 4th all-time 3-point record played from 1991-2001. 1991, FYI, was the year MJ got his first Championship and retired in 2003.
Every time I👂 Skip say that I get annoyed this man literally makes up whatever to try and win the debate in his mind there were Reggie and Bird who were great players and great shooters but also there were alot of 3pt specialist all around the league like Steve Kerr Mark Price Jeff Hornacek to name a few Jordan just wasn't a volume 3 pt shooter but back than it wasn't focused on as much as now with analytics and all that stuff but for Skip to act as if the 3 pt line didn't exist when Jordan played is ridiculous like most of his takes
Jason Kidd, Oscar Robertson, Gilbert Arenas, Spencer Haywood, Scottie Pippen, Jason Williams, Isiah Thomas, Cade Cunningham, Gary Payton, etc. All say Lebron is better than Jordan and they’re right. Lebron is the superior passer, better rebounder, can play all positions , can guard all positions, better three point shooter, higher percentage scorer, better defender, etc plus played way tougher competition overall in a more difficult era. And don’t bring up rings, John Havlicek is 8-0. Robert Horry is 7-0. Adam Morrison has 2, yet that doesn’t make him a better player than Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter. Lebron = GOAT!
If it were reversed: Jordan won Chips with every Franchised he played for as Lead Dog- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan never lost in the 1st round of the Playoffs- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan is number 4 All Time in Assists- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan is the All Time Playoff Steals Leader- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan has gone to 8 straight Finals while switching teams 4 years in- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan has switched players twice mid (All Star Break) and still Made the Finals-LBJ 6/6 Jordan lead his team from down 3-1 against the greatest team in league History- LBJ 6/6 Jordan is the All Time Winning-est player in Playoff History- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan is the Playoff All Time leading Scorer- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan is the only player to average a Triple Double in the Finals- LeBron is 6/6 Jordan is the only player to lead both Finals teams in Pts, Stls, Asts, Rbs and Blks- LBJ 6/6 Jordan is the ALL TIME LEADING SCORER- LeBron is 6/6. Please tell me this is not so......
yea and like hella playoff loses. I didn't realize jordan only played 6 seasons. oh yea. he didn't. the bum couldn't reach the finals all those years. ha
Duncan finished 8th in DPOY voting in 2015, made 2nd team all defense, finished 3rd in defensive rating, 4th in DBPM, and 4th in DWS. This was Duncan in his 2nd to last season, at age 38. Lebron has failed to place in DPOY voting since 2017, failed to make an all defense team since 2014, and isn’t top 10 in any of those categories this season. There’s no comparison there.
The only point Shannon was wrong on all debate: He said Tim Duncan wasn’t that good on D in his last few years. He made all defensive 2nd team in his 2nd to last year in the league
The fact he has to say "because of what he's in and outside the court' showcases he really doesnt think he's the better player but knows he has to say it, surprised Skip didnt mention that
@@dontwatchmewatchtv8039 I don't think Shannon believed LeBron was better at first. I think it was to mess with Skip but now, he has fooled himself to actually thinking it now.
Funny how people love to complain that lebrons teammates never get credit yet they talk about jordan like he was out there alone and beat everyone by himself like he didnt have shooters who hit clutch shots in the finals for him Steve kerr, John Paxson, etc.. like he couldn't win anything vs magic and bird before pippen and Rodman came around
My gf literally asked me just now while watching this…… Why you listen to skip and Shanon argue about lebron every day? I had to admit it I’M HOOKED!! 😂😂
Most players new and old pick MJ. There’s even players whose played against both Kobe and Lebron picks Kobe over Lebron but they don’t focus on those players. They only prop up the few that pick Lebron to try and keep this fake Goat debate going that’s just a media pushed narrative. They have never done a real debate with Kobe vs Lebron . Let alone vs Kareem or Magic.
Rings aside because it’s RB’s in Football, MJ vs Bron is like Sanders vs Smith. We know Smith had a longer career & all time leading rusher, but Barry has the highest peak of any RB in NFL History.
I would argue Jim Brown had the most dominant peak for any RB In his 9 seasons he won 3 MVPs, 8 First team All Pros, led the league in Rush Yards 8 times and led the league in Rush TDs 5 times. Also retires the highest rush YPG in NFL history.
I'm tired of the GOAT conversation because they played the game different. There are at least 5-10 players from each Era that are the best players ever.
“Kevin Durant doesn’t have everything.” Tell me one thing KD doesn’t have on the court. It’s wild to think about, I know. But KD doesn’t have a thing he can’t do on the court.
He wasn't referring to his versatility. LeBron can do everything, but it doesn't mean he is the best at all of them. Same goes for Durant. Can he pass? Sure, is he the best? No. Can he shoot? yes. Is he the best? No. He's probably the most well rounded player, he can do it all, but there are others more proficient at specific areas.
Guy avg 1 more rebound and 2 more ast. 3 less pts. Equal in blocks and 1 less steal than Michael. Despite beint what? 3 inches taller and maybe20-30 lbs more muscle? No where near the amount of individual accolades or team accomplishments. Accomplished more in less time. And overall meant more to the game. In literally any other profession in the world if you have a business or a trade where you accomplish more in less time it makes you the more efficient and superior worker. But somehow that logic that applies to literally all of Earth is flipped on head here for you guys to force this guy into the no1 spot. Hes no2 and there is no shame in that at all. Like cmon man grow up already and mature
I see what you're saying on that last part but for comparison with just great players, longevity can come into play. Malone and Kobe both have more points than MJ but neither are a better scorer. MJ has the highest scoring average so if every single player played the same amount of games, he would have the most points, of course. That's why people bring up longevity.
Not really, but Pippen and Kerr, 2 teammates of MJ said Lebron is the goat or at least on the same level as MJ. And Jason Kidd also beat Lebron in the 2011 finals, you act like he was his coach for 10 years lol, they were literally opponents.
Look how much easier it has been to score in the NBA during Lebron's career, especially as it has advanced, than it was during Jordan's, especially the first half of his career. Look at how many more seasons LeBron has played than Jordan. Look at how many more 3 pointers are taken now, and throughout Lebum's career, than during Jordan's. There are reasons as to why he has passed Jordan on the all time scoring list, and will probably pass everyone
I don’t understand the 3point argument against Lebron. LeBron making a lot of his point from 3’s just proves the point as to how much better of a scorer he was than Karl or MJ or Kareem. LeBron is more offensively skilled than all those players
Smdh lebron is nowhere near a better scorer than Jordan. 2 different eras bruh. Jordan played defense it was like lookin at prime time out there. And let's not forget how all-star weekend turned into Michael Jordan day.
@@at2130 played defense but didn’t have to focus on making the plays lead his team in asssists or rebounds or guard the best player because Scottie Pippen did
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Skip...is Pelinka the real problem??👀
Crazy Lebron played 100 less games the Malone and shot 500 more shots ?
Also Shannon bill, Russell been to the most finals…you know this
Let's go jazz make lebron and Shannon and Nick make excuses again tomorrow
Undisputed deserves all the tv awards. They talk about the same topics everyday and we come back and are hooked to skip and Shannon. “I’ve never seen anything quite like it! You know it, and I know it!”
Amen lol. I'm hooked
I just come here to watch Shannon eat skip alive
😂🤣😂🤣
Skips overwhelming influence at full display
And yet you still tune in… hmmmmm
Shannon: “and he’s held on his hair longer”
Skip: “he has? Is it his hair?” 🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Look at skip face after he say it lol
@@jamesjameswhattheladyssayl7657 skip be cracking jokes lately lol. He’s nothing like he was when they first started
There you go skip, you see what you do ?
@@ImSoOhio Ive liked Skip way better on this show than first take, both himself and the duo of him and Shannon is way better. Shannon deserves to be on the same pedestal that Stephen A is on in my opinion. Top tier analyst and entertainer. Stephen A Smith goes way overboard and watching him is annoying sometimes
Ahh yes , I love waking up and watching undisputed . Such fresh and new topics every single day . They rarely choose to speak on Lebron James , or Michael Jordan so this is highly surprising . Thank you skip and Shannon for Creating fresh new topics every single day . Without this debate I wouldn’t know how either skip or Shannon feels on the GOAT debate stance
Soo true 😭😭😭😭😭
If u don’t wanna watch it don’t watch it. Simple as that.
😂😂😂 atleast they discussed chris and will slap
A lot of sarcasm! 😂
Lebron could literally just look angry.on the bench and they would cover it
Goat conversation again? I was looking forward to hearing about Baker's 11 game stretch
That will be Fridays topic and Drip Bayless will Defend Mayfield again
Lmfaooooo
Sharpe has a point in “you can’t get everything”
I agree. They say "Jordan had no weaknesses." That's false. He can't hold his own against a decent center like Lebron can. And Lebron isn't as efficient at the free throw line like Bird. So yeah.
Don't forget the Dam!
@@sambeezy007 what??? Did you say Jordan weakness as SG is he can’t guard centers 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@Bangman085 If he can do it all he can do a little of that at the least.
@@Bangman085 He’s probably referring to Hakeem The Dream Olajuwon. Legend has it Jordan got dominated by his rockets every year and faked retirement to avoid him. Might be true, might not but Mj is the goat
I’m a Lebron fan but what he does off the court shouldn’t have anything to do with the comparison. It’s not fair imo
Soooo why not its about your impact on and off the court tho.
Exactly
@@karji0921 what does anything off court have to do with putting the ball in the net
@@RonRyder agreed - I’m a huge Lebron fan and I think we should purely compare on-court performance. I think Lebron holds up quite well to Mike in that regard…
The reason they have to reach for off the court activities is because there is no arguement on the court they can use to prove Bron is better than MJ but this is about basketball give Lebron a humanitarian award for his off court actuvities we are evaluting performance on the hardwood period
The daily MJ vs LeBron topic. Never gets old💀
LeBron #1 2 3 4 n 5 c mi
I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron James
@@robertmcgee1203 !*🤔Not bad...not a bad list @t all!*🏀#💯❗*
@@robertmcgee1203 no Earvin "Magic" Johnson?
@@robertmcgee1203 delusional
This man skip really said " is it lebrons hair? I dont know"😂
This was actually a very good discussion. Skip was actually objective for once…
Shannon is loud and BIAS
Say it again, “for once”
@@michaelbuckley5058 Sure... and Skipocrite's always Fair and SQUARE when it comes to Curry, Odell, Giannis, Mayweather, Lebron, Belichick, Luka...😴
Skip... "Baker's 11 game stretch, Ben Simmons 42 point game, KD's toenail on the line"...Bayless
I love how skip keeps mention how LeBron leads the league in attempt as a negative but Tom Brady did the exact same thing last year and he glorified it😂😂😂😂
Facts....lol and unlike Brady, LeBron is accomplishing all his milestones in fewer games and minutes than the people he's passing up to get there. Brady had all his yards last year from the fact that he threw the ball anywhere between 40-60 times every single game
@@tigerscott5929 the hypocrisy in America 😂😂
Bro Skip is a certified salty Bron basher! He’s just hurt because The King will never acknowledge him! 🤷🏽♂️
@@DJaySplitSecond that is probably why, I never realized LeBron doesn't acknowlege his existance
@@josh_7569 bro he never will lol
"He held on to his hair longer too that means something"
"Savanah ain slap nobody"
😂😂😂😂😂😂 unc shay the 🐐
"is it his hair?" 🤣💀
Lets just ignore the fact that Karl had Stockton passing him the ball for like 18 straight years. Karl never had to initiate the offense/ lead the team in assists like how Lebron has had to, therefore Karl could focus on scoring. Every team lebron has been on hes been the scorer, passer/initiator of the offense. Imagine lebron having someone like kidd, nash, paul passing him the ball for 18 straight years. Lebrons journey to 2nd place all time is more impressive than karls.
Facts💯💯💯
LeBron passed EDP Malone in 113 less games
One hundred *thirteen*
@@Terror832 edp malone 🤣🤣🤣
I mean he had wade and kyrie two All time great guards he chose to pass he didn’t have to 🤣
@@sl1mreapa398 yeah but wade and kyrie weren’t pass first players and were never in contention for best passers in the league. Plus Lebron has arguably the highest iq of all time and is an all time great passer so it makes sense for him to run the show/ initiate the offense
The fact that everyone comepares the best athletes to Michael Jordan is what makes Jordan the GOAT 🐐
no it doesn't. dumbest thing I've read all day
and bron still adding to his resume when he done things we haven’t seen b4 is why he the goat
I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron
@@Christappedin not really he’s played 19 years which is 6 more than Jordan and has way less success and way more losses he has longevity that’s it which it’s important but , longevity awards don’t define greatness
@@Christappedin wait fool Mike was 1 yr in and they was comparing people the Michael jordan of
Now its we gotta wait til Bron retire to wait for people to compare people to him
Get ready; when basketball season is over, this will be the show every day
why do we make such a big deal when someone thinks lebron is the goat? it's subjective. just move on
Media and most fans see jordan as a god thats why they get so salty whenever people think someone else is the GOAT. Jordan is the most protected basketball player of all time he benefited from an era with no social media so everything that went bad in his career gets swept under the rug. Unlike guys like lebron who are always under the spotlight and everything they say or do gets scrutinized.
@@sac1211 somebody who recruits other superstars to join him or joins other team with stars to win cant be goat.somebody that crys,flops and has no loyalty cant be goat.somebody who throws his teammates under the bus just to get blame of him cant be goat.
@@V-tec28 this salty comment just proves his point
@@V-tec28 you're just proving his point lol. there's plenty of footage of mj flopping yet here you are sweeping it under the rug because mj is the most protected athlete of all time and it isnt even close
@@sac1211 he also have a lot of yes men in the media who made their career off of him. Skip, SAS don’t see any flaws in in Michael Jordan
11:25 “ He’s shooting 36 percent we’ll live with that” 😭😂
Tim Duncan was still a very good defensive player his last year in the NBA, and still one of the best defensive big men...so Shannon has no idea what he is talking about on that
Edit--For all you id!ots coming at me, saying Duncan was not good defensively his last season...He averaged 1.5 blocks, and 1 steal, in only 25mpg...and that includes where he fell off a cliff the last quarter of the season. He was still a solid defensive big. Numbers don't lie
He most definitely was not. I promise you I watched him lack every game thinking he need to retire.
He was a center too. Not the same position than LeBron, not the best player in his team neither one of the best in the NBA. During Tim Duncan's 19 season you could have added him to a contender team and his impact wouldn't be same if you add LeBron to any contender people will cry because it is unfair!
Big men can play longer because they don’t need their legs as much.
In 2016 his d wasn’t that good
@@2robjenkins don't know about that, seeing as it's harder for them to run the floor with their big frames...but anyways, what does that have to do with what we are talking about? They weren't talking about how long a big man can play, vs a guard, but just if Tim was still a good defensive player or not. Vince played a long time...so did Jamal Crawford
I think MJ’s the GOAT but if you say LeBron is the GOAT I ain’t calling u crazy 🤷♂️
How is it close statistically mj the better player and more accolades all bron has is longevity 😂😂
Malone is the GOAT, more All NBA teams, points on less shots, and rebounds than MJ. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@swolegod7724 how many championships?
@@calebwilliams9198 Championships matter now? Nice deflection.
@UCuKz_T1m7kOdQrpBj9gEfxg Nobody cares about Bron beating Derozan and Oladipo.. Mike swept Shaq and cooked the Jazz that sent Bron's dad Duncan home in 5.
Man what an amazing topic. I wish they would talk about this everyday😐
Sometimes I don’t think they know that there’s other teams in the NBA and NFL or any other sports they can talk about lol
NFL is boring hasn't been the same since the 2011-2012 season ended. No one watches that trash the games are too long and the most recent exciting superbowl for me was eagles vs patriots
Lol not this stupid show obsessed with talking about the same stuff
Duhh they know it’s just these certain individuals or teams they talk about are marquee household names. They bring a lot of attention. Y waste time talking about teams that ain’t making no noise like the pistons or the magic?
@@sac1211 That season must've been the last time your favorite team was winning 🤣🤣🤣
Sad AF ! Because They go by a players influence and buzz. (Following) And it’s sucks, instead of them putting in work and making viewers aware of other players or teams who may not have the influence but have made the effort and accomplishments these other players make. They bacially just make everything about lebron because lebron fans tune in they just hijack his fans for views it’s basically “ lebron undisputed”
Jordan changed the game, his impact is unmatched. Jordan is the 🐐
🤡
@@karimseifull2474 you the 🤡🤡
The game was changed wayyyy before Jordan
So Curry Is The Goat He Changed The Game With The 3Ball, Or Kobe With How Flashy & Confident, Or SHAQ With Dominance. Because They Changed The Game. So With Your Logic 🤷🏿♂️
Curry did as well but he is not the goat
Bruh they started debating about brons hair 😂😂, these two are too funny.
MJ has been retired for more than 2 decades and is never on social media and is as relevant as a new era player that says a lot.
That's what I say when they keep talking about this goat "debate". All the MJ haters and queen lovers go on TV daily and bring up Jordan's name.
Bc of these lbj vs Jordan debates
@@takerfan4ever true
Much respect to John Stockton. Underappreciated! His assists record will never be broken
Yea that and Chamberlain’s career rebound record, both untouchable. If I live to be 100 I still wouldn’t be surprised if those records are still standing when I pass.
@@ceciltucker7291Wilt played 48.5 mpg one season..miss 8 minutes the entire season bc he got ejected one game.. this record is unbreakable..
@@motorcycleartist the only record that literally can’t be broken nobody is playing the whole 48 minutes every game
Just because you play longer,doesn't mean you'll perform at high level.
but lebron did. sooo....
leading the league in scoring baby
unless u bron 🤣🐐
But Lebrons been performing at a high level his whole career even in high school
@@kierra_mist I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron James
Jason Kidd wants that Lakers coaching job BAAAAAAD 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's waiting for Frank to be fired
Exactly.
been watching this show almost everyday for like 6 years, same topics since then, aaand still loving every second
This really just depends on interpretation on whether you believe sustained greatness or peak greatness is more important.
the only asterisk to that is in tems of peak greatness, what duration is the criteria for a peak, is it one game, one season? a decade? the problem with that is that people resorts to a subjective criteria to match their biases.
Bronsexuals think greatness is longevity 💀💀💀
About more accomplishments in LESS year ?
Usually someone doing more with less, get paid more 🤷🏻
Yup; it's like Jay- Z who has longevity compared to Lil Baby or Durk who have had a nice lil run so far.
Except LeBron also has peak greatness
There's no Lebron James without Michael Jordan. Mike's his idol. It doesn't matter if Lebron will be the #1 scoring and assists leader of all time. The fact that he will do them by playing more seasons is just greatness in longevity. Micheal became the GOAT and being talked about until this day by playing lesser seasons than any basketball player.
Yes there wouldn’t be Lebron without Jordan , but you acting like he never suppose to surpass him. In many ways he did.
It's wonderful hearing Skip say "well J Kidd will lean towards Lebron in these discussions because of their bond thru" Yet he has a similar bond with Jordan 😂
Hypocrite
Jordan fells the same way about Skip as KD does
I’ll put Jordan, Kobe and Lebron in my top 3 all time. But I’m drafting Kobe over Lebron. Jason Kidd also thinks it’s okay to beat his wife. Jordan was the best offensive and defensive player - that’s “the whole package” for me. Longevity Lebron is the goat - gifted unlike anyone else with no injuries.
how can a player without any defence abilities be the goat?
That’s a stupid question
You do know he was all defense 5 times
And he lost a defensive player year to someone all team second second defense 🤔
@@nicksentino9903 let’s assume he didn’t know lol
@@nicksentino9903 Marc Gasol won that year 😡
Jason Kidd must be "KIDDing" himself
😢😢
I love how analysts and fans act as if Jordan couldn't make threes. I know his career three point shooting mark is pretty bad, but he was actually close to 40 percent in one of his earlier years, and participated in the three point shooting challenge in the all-star game. He could make threes when he wanted to, like against the blazers in the finals, where he made 6 in a half I believe. The three just was nowhere near as big a part of the game then, and Jordan realized that no one could stop him going to the hole, or making mid range jump shots. With the likes of Lopez, Embid, Giannis, and many other big men being able to make threes, it is a joke to think that Jordan could not have been a 40 percent three point shooter if he had needed to be
@Travel Crawl giannis
@Travel Crawl
60s = Wilt and Bill
70s = Kareem
80s = Magic and Bird
90s = Jordan
00s = Kobe and Duncan
10s = LBJ
20s = Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic
jordan shot good from 3 when they shortened the line.. fact is he prolly doesnt practice it
ok and lebron got 42 in miami one year? whats your point. lebron can do everything with average free throw.
That’s a fact!!!!
I don’t get why there has to be a definitive GOAT, like as if there can only be one. I get that Greatest Of All Time would make more sense to a singular individual, but things change over the years. It would only be fair to refer to someone as the GOAT if we really think they’ll be the best no matter the era. Which lets be honest… It’s hard to say for any player. So in the end, it’s a matter of how good you are in your own era. If we follow that, then it would only be fair to allow multiple GOATs. Either one for every position or era. Nothing more, nothing less.
There has be a definitive goat because at the end of the day basketball is sport where weather your a child or a 40 year old man at the ymca you play to win so when we talk about about ball we are trying to come up with a definitive goat
Because there is a definitive goat. Numbers speak for themselves. Just like the scoreboard tells you who won the game. Stats tell you who was the best player. Otherwise stats would be pointless. There are stats in everything, even businesses and those stats tell you what business is the best.
The GOAT acronym starts with, "greatest." There can't be multiple "greatest" of anything.
@@iamkaynan3456 that's not 100% true stats dont always mean BETTER
@@phenomfacemob1011 99.9%
What Skip won't tell you is that Malone shot 2500 more free throws than Lebron
jkidd played against both guys so he’s the perfect guy to ask. 🤷♂️
Oh that’s why ray allen his own teammate said mj and his best friend d wade said mj
"I'ts obvious it's going to come down - gravity does that" lmaoooo.
"and he has held onto his hair longer too"....Unc Shay 😀😀😀😀
Crazy I never been a fan of mj nor bron but Lebron is the goat bro putting up ridiculous numbers at the age he’s at it’s insane
Ya your on drugs how goats get outplayed by Jason terry and score 8 points in finals games how is bron better when statistically mj is better how he better when mj has more rings finals mvps regular season mvps scoring titles defensive player of the year all defensive 6 and 0 in the finals never lost never took it to game 7 avraged 42 in the finals hit the championship game winner in 1998 scored 45 that game is a better scorer defender then lebron when he played point guard avraged 33 10 and 11 that’s disgusting 😂😂
The league is far easier to score now. The NBA was much harder to score than now. Even Luka, Joker and Giannis said its easier to score in the NBA than EuroLeague. Those OG Euro players like Kukoc who came to NBA, never said that.
The NBA was harder to score during MJ’s Washington tenure based on average scores. Yet, the man averaged 22 at 40 yo, before the knee injury took him out. His scoring was ramping up. He averaged 28 ppg those last 10 games. MJ has a lifetime 30 ppg average with no 3s and those two 20/22 pt game seasons in Washington, in a lower scoring league. D. Rose averaged 24-25 ppg his MVP year. You may not even make All-NBA Third team with that average now.
The rant Shannon goes on is funny to me 🤣🤣🤣
“Michael Jordan never shot the 3-ball well!” -Shannon
MJ - 33% for his career
Lebron - 34% for his career
🧐
Skip also made a good point that people can’t seem to understand…3s weren’t emphasized back then at all. It was a sort of court of last resort to get the team back faster from a deficit. And when these two were debating about Tim Duncan’s defense, Shannon said, well they didn’t ask that from Lebron. Yet he’s taking something against Jordan that wasn’t really asked of MJ to begin with. 🤷🏻♂️
Jordan took way less three he pose to have a way better % than lbj
I grew up playing ball and coaches would have a fit if you where shooting 3s. Once curry came things change
Lebron was afraid to speak about China. He also was afraid to speak about Tamir Rice. He only spoke up once it got popular to do so. He didn't sacrifice anything. Lebron is not Muhammad Ali.
But did he do it ?
LeBron is better
Just to remind you that Muhammad Ali was even sent to prison by racists like you who don't want to see an opinionated Blackman. LeBron will be remembered as a hero....all the hate towards him just proves how great his legacy is
@@nicksentino9903 only because its popular. He has never said anything about social issues that put his job or money on the line like Ali did.
Exactly!
I find it funny, how since I was young I heard Muhammad Ali was the goat for the same combination of on the sport and off the sport and no one said a word. But when it comes to someone overcoming their precious MJ, it’s an uproar.
Jordan was marketed perfectly. They don't want to ruin the cash flow
@@FORMIDABLEHERO what in the world are you talking about?
Facts 💯
Muhammad Ali made real sacrifices that contributed to his goat status. Tweeting uncontroversial talking points for social points isn’t comparable
MJ’s popularity was natural and the media fed on that. Lebron has been pushed since high school and even with his successes still isn’t as popular as MJ
First off, this show is tha best one going right now n they certainly deserve an award for best debate/sports/ show, hands down n they touch on certain subjects/topics on tha show bout other important issues as well, Much Respect for that 👏🏽.. They the best show going right now 💯.. Watching them two, makes your day n I love how they be so real n havre such great personalities, that make this show gold fr 🏵… They chemistry is unmatched n always come back to laughs n love in tha end ❤️👏🏽😂.. Wow was Skip so in his element n beyond on this one here lmaooo.. Unc tried lol, I-appreciate how they are both great at they jobs n they can make anyones day better f.. Jus like there will never be another MJ, there will never be another LBJ💯….. To everyone everywhere, stay safe stay blessed, always 🙏🏽✨🙏🏽
I been telling people for years Michael Jeffrey Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabbar billl Russell Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Hakeem olajuwon Larry Bird Kobe Bryant and it's a toss up between Dr J and LeBron
@@robertmcgee1203 I respect your take sir!! You have a nice day 🙂, stay blessed 🙏🏽
@@brandyhalabi819 thank you so much
@@robertmcgee1203 You are welcome so much 😉
"Is that his hair?" DONE!!! LMAOOOOO
Finally these guys are talking about Jordan versus LeBron now if we can just get them to talk more about the Cowboys the show would be perfect
Lmao....
haaaaaaaaa
@Juan Gomez yes me too. I hate that tho. I wish we could not watch for a while so maybe they will change. I just can’t stand the constant cowboys talk. It’s literally multiple times every single day
How have they not talked about Giannis and Embiid ?
They are not great like Lebron and Jordan lol they are good though
@@kierra_mist jordans been retired for almost 30 years and lebron's team is the 10th seed and might not even make the playoffs giannis and imbiid are fighting for the mvp this season and they went head to head and had an amazing game and they don't even mention the game which is why first take is better the ratings prove that
LeBron has the greatest longevity, he passed Kareem for good this season, that adds up to his case as the SECOND GREATEST, MJ still the goat
MJ missed 2 years, 3years and came back to win when he probably think team will win but with best coach and best teammate always and ONE man stands tall for 19 years averaging 30 PPG at the age of 37 and they're telling at the age of 34, MJ was doing ceremonial appearance.. PPG is nothing.. In football we count total goals, in cricket total runs, In American football: total passes; MJ started in era where broadcasting and TV started so had advantage of all these press and players so they never want real GOAT Lebron to win more accolades and MVP awards.. They present argument of 6/6 in finals but what abt. remaining 7 playoffs 1st round or 2nd round out of MJ... LBJ is undisputed GOAT, highest scrorer, 10k+ rebounds/assists..
@@shaswatbhattarai8320 lol no
@@shaswatbhattarai8320 you bring up the 1st and 2nd round arguments yet ignore the fact that Lebron has also missed the playoffs more times than Jordan lol. Jordan made the playoffs every year in Chicago and only missed the playoffs when he was an old man in Washington.
Go Look At The Stats For Lebron & His Supporting Cast In The Finals & Jordan's Supporting Cast. Look At All The Times They Won.
Guys lile isahh and kidd are haters because Jordan cooked them regularly all while trash talking them
The fact that lebron is getting spoken about next to Jordan makes him a goat in his own right. Nobody would’ve thought anybody would come close after Kobe but Bron did it his own way
By having a losing finals record 😂
Cause he still playing. Once he retires they’ll find some other great athlete to compare to MJ
@@ThaGhettoBlaster exactly
What if jordan would have come into the nba straight out of high school and never retired the first or second time. Then the numbers would be different. But nobody seems to talk about that, paired with the new rules and the way 3 pointers have changed the game
yep agree, MJ's last 2 yrs in highschool plus his 3 yrs in college were all great years.. not to mention he never tasted anything other than gold(that 84 team was amazing even beating a bird-isaiah led nba team) in the olympics.. while leshannon has had a bronze and a no medal showing for the national team.. he didn't win in college and he only has 4 chips to show for in 10 tries in the NBA..
If jordan was good enough to go straight to the nba earlier he would have. If jordan had the drive to play those seasons he retired he would have.
@@alexescutia4805 I don’t think it was legal for Jordan to go straight to the nba during that time
@@UPRISING144K he averaged 13 in 31 mins in college do you seriously think he woulda been drafted straight out of high school even if it was allowed?
@@alexescutia4805 yes. Those are decent numbers, and his defense was good enough.
These guys are the piano keys of sports commentating WE NEED THESE GUYS there energy with each other is unmatched
😂😂😂 i really enjoyed every arguments they had
They both got Jordan's age wrong at 1998. He was 35 and won his 6th championship and Kobe was 15 years younger than Jordan.
They don’t no Sir that Tequila must be good to SS
When the pressure is on to win a game or title....who do you trust to lead your team more? Jordan all day every day
Legoat 👑 🐐!
@@goatjames328 oooohhhh silly wabbit......you are just as wrong as the Phony Goat was for doing Space Jam 2
@@andrewzvolena395 Legoat 👑 🐐! It’s inevitable! And once he gets Kareem’s scoring crown (a record once thought untouchable) there will be no debate!
Dunk on Kevin love?
Kevin love is KEVIN LOVE!!!
LMAOOOOOOOO
I'm just looking at basketball related " that's why I dragged on for 10 minutes about I PROMISE SCHOOL ' LMAO PMSL 🤣 😅 😂 🙃 🤪 😭 🤣 😅 😂 🙃 🤪 😭
King James. Grew up watching both and from Chicago but James 1 for me
If what you said were true, I can't understand why you would believe in the Flop King vs Air Jordan.
If you ask me who im starting my franchise with i would say Lebron but if you ask me what player in their prime i would take for 5 seasons i would pick Jordan.
Good 4 you I’m taking 6/6 Goat & clutch, longevity awards don’t count
But LeBron would leave your franchise 🤣
@@nostalgiacorner1999 Lebron played 11 seasons with the CAVS, some players don’t even play 11 seasons, Magic and Bird played 13 seasons, MJ 13 with the BULLS, so what’s the difference ? 2 years ?
Bro said and “He held on his hair longer too”Shannon funny asf😂😂
These 2 debating Jordan and Bron will never get old. Never.
J. Kidd has lost his mind and just got downgraded from my favorite P.G.
Same here. But I do love that fkers shoes, though. The Zoom flight fives is my go-to bball shoe.
The fact that you "downgraded" him from your favorite pg because he picked bron over mike show how much of a fanboy you are and show you was never a true fan of jkidd to begin with
He was your favorite pg?
You’re right I’ll respect Keith’s opinion over an NBA hall of famer any day! You totally have the insight and knowledge of basketball to tell him he’s wrong! 😂😂😂
J Kidd is still my guy. Signature shoes were lit, terrible rap song, and a hall of famer. He is that guy!!!
I’ve never seen so many people get mad because they think bron is the goat over jordan, or better than jordan, fact of the matter is not everybody believes MJ the goat.
Most of them believes Jordan Is tho... but yea it's just His oppinion.
There's only a few people in the goat discussion and lebron isn't one of them. Looking at his whole career up to this point, he just doesn't have "IT"...
@@mpound97 according to mpound97 lol if you don’t think lebron is in the goat discussion you’re not worth debating it with
Hold up...you have to mention the other way around too. "I've never seen so many people get mad because they still think MJ is better than LeBron."
The Goat Debate is so hard Because Of What Bron has Done and how long he has done it, And Then MJ had a storybook perfect career, I Love Them Both
"But you gotta think about it, Jordan was 33, 34?"
Mj was 35.
Lbj is only 2 years older.
MJ is the GOAT, but The idea that the 3-point shot was not valued during his time is simply NOT TRUE. Larry bird was a known 3-point shooter. Reggie Miller who currently holds the 4th all-time 3-point record played from 1991-2001. 1991, FYI, was the year MJ got his first Championship and retired in 2003.
u named 2 players in an era of 20 yrs stop it
They didn't go jacking up 3s in 80s and 90s. 3s were taken back then to bring back into the game or make a statement
@@phillwilliams2781 Teams 3PA in '97 16.8, Teams 3PA in '07 16.9
@@capcap6987 that’s basically 4 threes per quarter. That’s not a lot😂😂
Every time I👂 Skip say that I get annoyed this man literally makes up whatever to try and win the debate in his mind there were Reggie and Bird who were great players and great shooters but also there were alot of 3pt specialist all around the league like Steve Kerr Mark Price Jeff Hornacek to name a few Jordan just wasn't a volume 3 pt shooter but back than it wasn't focused on as much as now with analytics and all that stuff but for Skip to act as if the 3 pt line didn't exist when Jordan played is ridiculous like most of his takes
I've never heard them debate this topic before... Excited to see what they say!!
stolen
@@CallMeBezzy Or I'm just not the only person who's making this joke cause they debate this topic literally everyday lmao
Jason Kidd, Oscar Robertson, Gilbert Arenas, Spencer Haywood, Scottie Pippen, Jason Williams, Isiah Thomas, Cade Cunningham, Gary Payton, etc. All say Lebron is better than Jordan and they’re right. Lebron is the superior passer, better rebounder, can play all positions , can guard all positions, better three point shooter, higher percentage scorer, better defender, etc plus played way tougher competition overall in a more difficult era. And don’t bring up rings, John Havlicek is 8-0. Robert Horry is 7-0. Adam Morrison has 2, yet that doesn’t make him a better player than Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter. Lebron = GOAT!
If it were reversed:
Jordan won Chips with every Franchised he played for as Lead Dog- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan never lost in the 1st round of the Playoffs- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan is number 4 All Time in Assists- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan is the All Time Playoff Steals Leader- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan has gone to 8 straight Finals while switching teams 4 years in- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan has switched players twice mid (All Star Break) and still Made the Finals-LBJ 6/6
Jordan lead his team from down 3-1 against the greatest team in league History- LBJ 6/6
Jordan is the All Time Winning-est player in Playoff History- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan is the Playoff All Time leading Scorer- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan is the only player to average a Triple Double in the Finals- LeBron is 6/6
Jordan is the only player to lead both Finals teams in Pts, Stls, Asts, Rbs and Blks- LBJ 6/6
Jordan is the ALL TIME LEADING SCORER- LeBron is 6/6.
Please tell me this is not so......
So what he's entitled to have his opinion but only one of the two has 6 rings
yea and like hella playoff loses. I didn't realize jordan only played 6 seasons. oh yea. he didn't. the bum couldn't reach the finals all those years. ha
@@karimseifull2474 facts bro
oh lord here we go again 😂
Every three days
Duncan finished 8th in DPOY voting in 2015, made 2nd team all defense, finished 3rd in defensive rating, 4th in DBPM, and 4th in DWS. This was Duncan in his 2nd to last season, at age 38. Lebron has failed to place in DPOY voting since 2017, failed to make an all defense team since 2014, and isn’t top 10 in any of those categories this season. There’s no comparison there.
The only point Shannon was wrong on all debate:
He said Tim Duncan wasn’t that good on D in his last few years. He made all defensive 2nd team in his 2nd to last year in the league
The fact he has to say "because of what he's in and outside the court' showcases he really doesnt think he's the better player but knows he has to say it, surprised Skip didnt mention that
That’s makes no sense dude . He really thinks Lebron is better . If he didn’t . He would of said Jordan . Plain and simple
@@dontwatchmewatchtv8039 I don't think Shannon believed LeBron was better at first. I think it was to mess with Skip but now, he has fooled himself to actually thinking it now.
Bro how is there even a debate bron played for 20 years and still can’t accomplish with mj did in 14🤣🤣🤣
You mean with Jordan's team accomplished
Thank you!!!
Exactly
Funny how people love to complain that lebrons teammates never get credit yet they talk about jordan like he was out there alone and beat everyone by himself like he didnt have shooters who hit clutch shots in the finals for him Steve kerr, John Paxson, etc.. like he couldn't win anything vs magic and bird before pippen and Rodman came around
Lebron didn’t play 20 years .
That's his HAIR???? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My gf literally asked me just now while watching this…… Why you listen to skip and Shanon argue about lebron every day? I had to admit it I’M HOOKED!! 😂😂
Most players new and old pick MJ. There’s even players whose played against both Kobe and Lebron picks Kobe over Lebron but they don’t focus on those players. They only prop up the few that pick Lebron to try and keep this fake Goat debate going that’s just a media pushed narrative. They have never done a real debate with Kobe vs Lebron . Let alone vs Kareem or Magic.
U need help
@@idontevenplaylikethat2124 lmfao facts
I love Kobe he's top 10 all time imo. But he's not even in the same atmosphere as LeBron.
@@capcap6987 that’s your opinion but there’s plenty of players who disagree!
@@capcap6987 thats just not correct at all. Just plain wrong on that one guy.
Rings aside because it’s RB’s in Football, MJ vs Bron is like Sanders vs Smith. We know Smith had a longer career & all time leading rusher, but Barry has the highest peak of any RB in NFL History.
I would argue Jim Brown had the most dominant peak for any RB
In his 9 seasons he won 3 MVPs, 8 First team All Pros, led the league in Rush Yards 8 times and led the league in Rush TDs 5 times.
Also retires the highest rush YPG in NFL history.
They should talk about the Games of the previous night with the same energy
Jason Kidds brain is as smooth as his bald head.
I'm tired of the GOAT conversation because they played the game different. There are at least 5-10 players from each Era that are the best players ever.
“Kevin Durant doesn’t have everything.”
Tell me one thing KD doesn’t have on the court. It’s wild to think about, I know. But KD doesn’t have a thing he can’t do on the court.
He wasn't referring to his versatility. LeBron can do everything, but it doesn't mean he is the best at all of them. Same goes for Durant. Can he pass? Sure, is he the best? No. Can he shoot? yes. Is he the best? No. He's probably the most well rounded player, he can do it all, but there are others more proficient at specific areas.
No one is too tall to be an average free throw shooter
Someone tell me when longevity has been a bad thing and not an attribute
Skips argument “it’s just a longevity stat” is such a dumb argument. You have to ALSO be GREAT to get those said stats during your time in the league
No its not. You can average 10 pts a game for 15 years and be up there in points
Guy avg 1 more rebound and 2 more ast. 3 less pts. Equal in blocks and 1 less steal than Michael. Despite beint what? 3 inches taller and maybe20-30 lbs more muscle? No where near the amount of individual accolades or team accomplishments. Accomplished more in less time. And overall meant more to the game.
In literally any other profession in the world if you have a business or a trade where you accomplish more in less time it makes you the more efficient and superior worker. But somehow that logic that applies to literally all of Earth is flipped on head here for you guys to force this guy into the no1 spot. Hes no2 and there is no shame in that at all. Like cmon man grow up already and mature
I see what you're saying on that last part but for comparison with just great players, longevity can come into play. Malone and Kobe both have more points than MJ but neither are a better scorer. MJ has the highest scoring average so if every single player played the same amount of games, he would have the most points, of course. That's why people bring up longevity.
Literally this is equivalent to phil jackson saying mj was the Goat.
Not really, but Pippen and Kerr, 2 teammates of MJ said Lebron is the goat or at least on the same level as MJ. And Jason Kidd also beat Lebron in the 2011 finals, you act like he was his coach for 10 years lol, they were literally opponents.
@@Anthonydu01630 Whoa...Pippen didn't say LeBron was the greatest (although I would expect him to today for obvious reasons). Kerr didn't either.
Count on Skip to bring up Tom Brady’s name in a discussion about basketball players lmao
“is it his hair?” 😭😭😭😭
There is Noooo Debate Michael 3 peated LeBron lost 2x that
He not even better than KD or Kobe
Look how much easier it has been to score in the NBA during Lebron's career, especially as it has advanced, than it was during Jordan's, especially the first half of his career. Look at how many more seasons LeBron has played than Jordan. Look at how many more 3 pointers are taken now, and throughout Lebum's career, than during Jordan's. There are reasons as to why he has passed Jordan on the all time scoring list, and will probably pass everyone
Legoat 👑 🐐! It’s inevitable! And once he gets Kareem’s scoring crown (a record once thought untouchable) there will be no debate!
We’re considering off court activity now in GOAT conversations? 🤣🤣🤣
Skip always like to take people at their word so this should be no different
I don’t understand the 3point argument against Lebron. LeBron making a lot of his point from 3’s just proves the point as to how much better of a scorer he was than Karl or MJ or Kareem. LeBron is more offensively skilled than all those players
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Smdh lebron is nowhere near a better scorer than Jordan. 2 different eras bruh. Jordan played defense it was like lookin at prime time out there. And let's not forget how all-star weekend turned into Michael Jordan day.
@@at2130 played defense but didn’t have to focus on making the plays lead his team in asssists or rebounds or guard the best player because Scottie Pippen did
facts
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Why are we still having this convo 🤦🏽♂️
Why are we still discussing this?