Thank you for your comment. K's formation of foundations to disseminate the Teachings has been and continues to be an amazing accomplishment. Infinte thanks to all those people in different parts of the world for so wonderfully effecting, past, present, and future, K's request. Your diligent and fastidious actualization of disseminating the Teachings is the only possibility humanity has to offset the destruction of our home planet in all its magnificent beauty, and all life on it. Infinite thanks...
I discovered this man a few months ago and damn he helped me more than anyone else’s talk, books and teaching, all his concerns are us to see the truth and nothing more, he don’t care about success , money and fame like we see nowadays with almost everyone in the teaching, spiritual and coaching field, I can see how everyone feed their ego under the name of kindness, he is formless and has no image in his mind, gratitude for his existence 🙏🏼
16.30 "A mind which is occupied can never experience something original. 16.39 A mind that is not occupied, totally empty and has space is full of energy". Thank you Krishnamurti. 🙏
A few ill informed comments here about K and money. People probably read a few books and concluded they knew all about him. The greatness of K was his empty mind and therefore non attached. Decades ago when Rishi Valley was a virtual jungle with no running water, toilets or electricity he lived there in tents. He would arrive in India by a steamer, drive by car to Rishi Valley and immediately live with nothing. Neither wealth nor poverty affected him. Once before his talks in India he gave away all his kurtas to beggars. Somebody noticed in time and brought some new ones for the talks. He washed dishes, polished shoes and cleaned toilets. He never handled money but he was equally comfortable in both expensive suits and common kurtas. It is impossible to understand such a mind unless one has at least an inkling about emptiness.
So, is what K is saying is...money in itself is not the problem. But if our minds is occupied with concern of money..either worrying about...or how to have more or being afraid of losing it....whatever the form of habitual occupation is ....IS the problem! Practicality of money is not the problem in itself!
This man has free up some clutter in my mind 🙏🏽 Hoarding memory has made me let go of my past. I am very greatful I can come to this channel to have a grounding perception of life.
when internal conflict ceases so does the outward. Only way to bring order in the world is to put your house in order. To be in harmony is to bring internal harmony.
This is what happened now in my country Philippines. Religion, Politics, Lord's, Drug Lord, Priests, Nans, Pastors, Aturneys, they loved money but they say money is the root of al devils. I realy like this video, thank you so much Jiddu Khrishnamusti, thank you.
Thanks to the foundation for uploads. It helps the seekers to listen over and over again. Thanks to all the comments, they help in this journey together, like he says. By the way it is great to see him laugh and smile 😊
The essence of J.k's teachings as I comprehend is to see one's mind or brain is not occupied and train one's mind to be free from any kind of thoughts whether good or bad. We have to train our minds to liberate from thoughts. Keeping brain empty brings energy to the brain. Regards Tirupati Dhanvantari Suri
Interesting, very few comments actually mention the actual question and for that omit an honest opinion , which suggests we all fear being without money, so our sense to survive daily has to have that knowledge we have enough to survive even though we know we do. Very good talk Mr K
Thank you so much for the subtitles! It was sometimes hard to grasp every word because I understand that the recording was such back in the days. Thanks again!
You have fallen for propaganda by people who love money or even are under a self-deception... The Bible didn't say that money is the root of all evil, but that the love of money is the root of all evil. There is an infinite difference...
I think you can have minimal luxury and help and share with others the excess. Everything in the universe is about Balance. Money is a tool, the lesson is always on how we use it. How we use it will determine if u gonna be happy or not I am trying to understand this to get an extent of what should I do as a designer and the responsibility behind the buying etc Because qe are the ones who dictate what the Clients should buy
"I am trying to understand this to get an extent of what should I do as a designer and the responsibility behind the buying etc Because qe are the ones who dictate what the Clients should buy" I also have similar concerns. The way I see it, we are rising in consciousness, and as that process goes, we will put more and more awareness on every of our actions, which includes consumption which up until now was mainly subconscious. As levels of consciousness rise, buyers will put more and more attention to what quality of products they are buying, and what kind of company are they buying from. They will not want to give their money to companies who have any kind of bad practices. Those who are on other side, meaning who are in those companies, will also have to be more mindful to which company do they want to provide their time and effort. So yes, both buyers and producers will all have to take their part of responsibility.
Many people nowadays are getting busy being occupied with books and videos and smartphones that they don’t have any time left for their own original. As JK said that the true relationship with money is keep no relationship with it at all, because money is nothing unless you put your attention to it, so whether you have a lot or little of it and still having necessary, you are free from it.!
he is one of man in history never will get replaced , only thing bother me is why his influence stayed limit it should have moved or at least done a lot in the whole world consciousness do any one know why his purpose or meaning never went widely globally
I agree J.K teachings are very intellectually intense. Or top notch. And I am always comprehending logically. But J.K I find watching same few times to truly digest it..or whether I can digest it. But I do give my best..
@@lisale798 I agree you need certain level of maturity to understand what JK is pointing to and very few will get it the whole system for generations has been conditioning people for example' influences from news media, politicians, entertainment industry, education system, work demands e.t,c this keeps the mind occupied asleep and distracted from what is really important in life which is inquiring into their own true nature, to wake up in this world is like going against the tide in the ocean but once you get it becomes quite natural
I see a lot of people with ton's of money, but just because they've got a lot of money doesn't make them worth a $hit. But I do get what you mean, I could care less about a huge house and all the other look at me status, I would just like to have their money to have somewhat more options. Should I go to work today or I wish I could really help that person out who I know is struggling.
Money gives freedom, security, enjoyment ,almost everything - but in the name of God - religion asks money - why our brain occupied with money? -Not only money we are occupied with everything - it is our state of mind - to be occupied with something - hence brain is full - we fear of no mind - is it possible to be without occupation- observe - not to record even the observation - hence mind feels alive, free, extraordinary active - Are we aware of chattering - enquire slowly -step by step - Do not ask how to stop chattering - then the very process invoved in stoping the mind chattering is also an occupation - observe the consequences of occupation slowly - Do not seek empty mind - the very observation of youself releases you from occupation
Without money, you can't live in this society. We are all conditioning created by our thought. We always play trick with ourselves because we all love doing these.
He is conservatively mentioning Advait Vedanta or non duality. Very deep indeed. No one can understand him if one has not read Upanishads in great depth.
On the contrary it is far easier to sift through the muck and understand true Advaita Vedanta after understanding him in plain English. That is why many scholars came to him for clearer understanding.
We can not get rid of conditioning; since the design algorithm is based on survival aspects and life security means… the social values have to be observed thereafter the conditioning will be upgraded, approaching integrity…
End of video: Where there is emptiness there is energy. This immense energy is what must be channeled into one's professional life to shine with full talent and potential . Such a totality will bring its own financial rewards K is not against materialism. He wants us to be rich in both inner and outer world.
What is right relationship with money? I know! Earn it a lot and use it right .... Right? ... K says, "Just look. Don't let it be occupied with money, and the brain becomes shallow. There is no room in the brain. Free it from bourgeois mind" .... "See the fact and move away from it" K says. Free my mind, open my eyes, to see the facts ....
For k--l below, money is a medium and it always flows like liquid. If in a free and capitalistic society like America (less man-made obstructions like China and India now), it moves to the well-deserved, do-gooders and some greedy yet miserable moguls. But K's foundations and schools are far from rich and powerful, but of volunteers, long time supporters and anyone that wants to be set free, money or not. Have you been to their Ojai site? It's just a very unassuming (California standard) farm-house but full of positive energy. Be positive, don't be fearful of unjust situations, money will flow to you. Act with uncluttered heart and mind. It's the universal law.
+Sunnykumar Modi Here's the transcript: 4th Question: What is the right relationship to money? If you haven’t any you have no relationship! (Laughter) Like the speaker, it is very simple! But to be serious, (laughs) what is right relationship to money? Why has money become so important? Just let’s enquire into it. We are not the Delphic Oracle, or laying down the law, or telling you what you should think or do, but we are trying together to understand the problems of life, which are very complex, which need deep examination impersonally, objectively, sanely. So this is one of the problems, money. Why has money become so important? Is it because we have become worldly? ‘Worldly’ I am using in the sense, attached to the things that thought has put together. That is the first question I am asking. It is a complex question, we will go into it. Is it because money gives us freedom? You can travel if you have lots of money, you become powerful, become Lord this and that. If you have money you have a status, you are respected, you are looked up to. This is happening. If you have money you can do almost anything - go against all the laws. You see this everyday. Money is not supposed to be transferred from one country to another but if you are wealthy you have a secret account in Switzerland - you know all this - or transfer great wealth to America and so on. And if you have money you can enjoy yourself. So money has become extraordinarily valuable in all those senses. And without money you can’t do much either. If you want some clothes and so on you must have some money. But the question is really: why has money in our life, apart from buying necessary things or having something which is pleasant: nice picture, or a nice vase, or some beautiful ornament, apart from all that - or a beautiful garden if you are lucky - apart from that why do we lay such emphasis on money? You answer it please. I do not know if you realise what religions have become, organised religions: vast wealth, they are really business organizations in the name of god. This vast wealth of the gurus, incredible wealth, which all of us - not all of us, some of us have given to these gentlemen. And so money has become important. And when you go to the temples and so on, there is always money being asked. Are we so occupied with money? Naturally the poor man who has no money, he is naturally thinking about it. But those of us who have a little money, are we occupied with it? Is our main concern or occupation money? That awakens another question which is: why are our minds perpetually occupied? - occupied with something or other. If you are occupied with meditation when you are talking about meditation, then you are occupied with it - god - you follow? Everything from the housewife to the highest religious authorities are occupied - why? You understand my question? This is not an irrelevant question, it is relevant because our occupation with money or with sex, with this or with that, indicates the state of our own minds, our own hearts. To be occupied with something. Does it mean that this occupation with business, with money, with sex, with god, with the guru, with the politician and so on, so on, keeps our brain full? You understand my question? Is it that we are afraid not to be occupied? Please look at it. Look at ourselves, which is: am I occupied from morning till night and when I go to sleep the brain is also occupied, with dreams, with all kinds of sensations. So there is never a moment when the brain is not occupied. Is that so? And when the brain is so occupied there is no space - you understand? - and so the brain becomes more and more shallow. You can see this happening. Is it because we are frightened of not being occupied, therefore having no space, the brain having no rest at all, therefore wearing itself out. Right? The wearing itself out is a part of senility. Right? So is there a possibility of not being occupied? Merely to look, to observe, not be occupied with observation. Just to look, to observe so that the brain has a rest, not to record because our brain is all the time recording. I don’t know if you are following all this! If it interests you. Then your brain becomes extraordinarily alive, pliable. If you have ever observed without a single thought, have you? - to observe a tree, to observe the water, a sheet of water, the light on it, to observe a woman or a man without all the consequences of that observation, the sensations, so that your mind is really free from occupation. How can a brain that is occupied ever observe? You understand my question? How can a mind - a brain rather - that is always occupied with something casual, daydreaming, with the kitchen or with god, they are all the same, all occupations are the same, they are not superior occupations or inferior occupations, we are talking about occupation per se. Such a mind is really the most bourgeois mind in the world, including the Communists. Is chattering part of this occupation? - talking, talking, talking, endlessly, you follow? Now are we aware of this occupation, and experimenting with ourselves to see if it stops? Then to find out whether there is fear and pursue that fear - you follow? Go to the very end of it and end it. As we talked about it at previous talks. Then see what happens to this brain which has space, which has quietness, which is not occupied. If you say, ‘How am I to do it? Tell me the steps, the method how not to be occupied’, then those steps, those methods become your occupation, you are back in the cycle. But if you see the consequences of occupation, and see the fact of it, you move away from it. So if one is occupied with money, why? Either you are poor, which is natural, then you have to be concerned about it, but even if you are poor to be occupied eternally from morning till night, and the man who is very rich is also terribly occupied, how to keep the money, increase it - you know the whole business. So the real question is: can the mind be free from all occupation? If I may repeat some incident: we were in the Himalayas once far away from all noise and in a cottage, and a group of monks, sannyasis came rushing into the cottage to tell me something. They knew who I was, the person who was occupying it. So they came to see me and they said, ‘We have just come from a man who is far away in the hills who is full of knowledge. And we have just come and we are filled with that knowledge.’ And we said ‘What is that knowledge?’ And we went into it. At the end of it we discovered the solitary person living in the Himalayas was really not solitary at all. He has carried all the world’s knowledge up there and so he is never alone, never quiet. He is full of that knowledge and can therefore perhaps can never experience something totally original. A mind which is occupied can never experience something original. It is only the mind that is free, if I can use the word, empty. We were talking with a scientist some days ago and we were saying that emptiness is very important in life, not vacuum, not being just vague and daydreaming but really a mind that is not occupied has space and is totally empty. And we were saying that such a mind is full of energy. And the scientist agreed. He said ‘Where there is emptiness it is not empty, that very emptiness is energy’. I am telling you something. So let us… you think about it, you know, look at it.
so in a spiritual perspective, what one should do if they need money to support their live and theirs family ? we can not just be "don't mind" when we know our children need shelter, food, education and etc, will an "empty mind" brings the solution we need? please enlighten me 🙏
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Brockwood 1981 Q&A 2' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
to get money = work to get food , shelter , cloths etc. u need money. So work. That is the answer. Money will began to become a problem if you just desire get a lot or desire to spend it all. Thats all.
Nothingness ....Emptiness is not easy to achieve.. We need to do lot of practice to stop imagination, greed, comparison and brain programing....Human lives with reality not more than ten percent of the life....90% of the life occupied with nonsense.....
You only have to watch the thought, the self, the happenings. Nothingness doesn't mean everything becomes zero but you become. There's a certain dissociation that happens yet you are fully attentive. If you look for your own answer with tremendous need, hunger, attention, you'd find it's right there. You believe it's an immediate thing right? And that every human has it while born and can have it almost instantaneously in due life. Then why do we listen to odur thoughts that it is the hardest and yet the simplest. Why is that when we go to one end there's another end at the pole. Why the pole shifts. Experiment is the word if at all. We need to experiment with ourselves of who we are and what is meditation. One day, one moment, it's simpler to grab. Now to sustain, there's an ordeal to understand, and understanding will rise and make you free. Your own understanding. Not Ks, nor anybody else's.
I thank the Krishnamurti Foundation for every Sunday you take the time and effort to upload videos from K. They're precious!
Thank you so much 🙏🏽 😊 🙏🏽
Thank you for your comment. K's formation of foundations to disseminate the Teachings has been and continues to be an amazing accomplishment. Infinte thanks to all those people in different parts of the world for so wonderfully effecting, past, present, and future, K's request. Your diligent and fastidious actualization of disseminating the Teachings is the only possibility humanity has to offset the destruction of our home planet in all its magnificent beauty, and all life on it. Infinite thanks...
They are precious gems to me....
I discovered this man a few months ago and damn he helped me more than anyone else’s talk, books and teaching, all his concerns are us to see the truth and nothing more, he don’t care about success , money and fame like we see nowadays with almost everyone in the teaching, spiritual and coaching field, I can see how everyone feed their ego under the name of kindness, he is formless and has no image in his mind, gratitude for his existence 🙏🏼
Every aware man should listen this very deeply TN complete transformation takes place.
Well written sir.
Exactly anyone that charges to speak the truth cannot be trusted their ego and greed is #1
In which way his talks helped in your life, sir! Can you give a brief about it... Thank you.
‘Where there is emptiness it is not empty, that very emptiness is energy’. SO TRUE!!!
I got it after watching the full video.
16.30 "A mind which is occupied can never experience something original. 16.39 A mind that is not occupied, totally empty and has space is full of energy". Thank you Krishnamurti. 🙏
A few ill informed comments here about K and money. People probably read a few books and concluded they knew all about him. The greatness of K was his empty mind and therefore non attached. Decades ago when Rishi Valley was a virtual jungle with no running water, toilets or electricity he lived there in tents. He would arrive in India by a steamer, drive by car to Rishi Valley and immediately live with nothing. Neither wealth nor poverty affected him. Once before his talks in India he gave away all his kurtas to beggars. Somebody noticed in time and brought some new ones for the talks. He washed dishes, polished shoes and cleaned toilets. He never handled money but he was equally comfortable in both expensive suits and common kurtas. It is impossible to understand such a mind unless one has at least an inkling about emptiness.
Fantastic Vish Sir. Brilliant analysis and corollary. Thank you so much Vish Sir for sharing this.
Well written! Good to know this about him!
And the source for all this?
👌🏻well written
Thanks for sharing...
Moral-
Money is important for survival but our brain should not be occupied with it all the time..
Until you realise you're trading everything for money. Your time everything in life costs money
Moral
Money is important only for those who cant convince people that money is not important 😂
So, is what K is saying is...money in itself is not the problem. But if our minds is occupied with concern of money..either worrying about...or how to have more or being afraid of losing it....whatever the form of habitual occupation is ....IS the problem! Practicality of money is not the problem in itself!
you summarized it perfectly.
money is a huge problem. leading money you don't have (which is how banks function) and charging interest, to me, is criminal.
@@mazxbv can you put observation of the system down for a minute and free your mind from that burden?
Thankyou for summarizing 😀
Yes
This man has free up some clutter in my mind 🙏🏽 Hoarding memory has made me let go of my past. I am very greatful I can come to this channel to have a grounding perception of life.
Where there is emptiness. , It is not empty !
That emptiness gives us energy !!
Thank you Mr. JK !
nice
when internal conflict ceases so does the outward. Only way to bring order in the world is to put your house in order. To be in harmony is to bring internal harmony.
A mind which is occupied can never experience something original. 16:30
Thanks alot for sharing these precious videos by Krishnamurty Sir ❤
Let go of all attachments…including money! Be happy simply being aware and being at peace with yourself.
As always, the bright light of K focuses on a common issue and turns it upside down
Love your infinite presence Master K🙂🙏
This is what happened now in my country Philippines. Religion, Politics, Lord's, Drug Lord, Priests, Nans, Pastors, Aturneys, they loved money but they say money is the root of al devils. I realy like this video, thank you so much Jiddu Khrishnamusti, thank you.
Jiddu KRISHNAMURTHY Ji has cleared so many doubts of us and he comes with clarity and peace giving wisdom
"Experiment with ourselves to see if the mind's occupations stop...then see whether there's fear, & pursue/go to the very end of that fear & end it."
Jiddu Krishnamurti is truly radical! I hear him. He is a good teacher. Thank you these videos
I just love watching him laugh
Thanks to the foundation for uploads. It helps the seekers to listen over and over again. Thanks to all the comments, they help in this journey together, like he says. By the way it is great to see him laugh and smile 😊
His insights never fail to amaze me.
The essence of J.k's teachings as I comprehend is to see one's mind or brain is not occupied and train one's mind to be free from any kind of thoughts whether good or bad. We have to train our minds to liberate from thoughts. Keeping brain empty brings energy to the brain. Regards Tirupati Dhanvantari Suri
But who is doing the training ? It implies time
No need to train the mind, it's getting it back to it's natural state by pure seeing
Who is liberator? The liberator is also created by thought
Where there is emptiness, it's not empty,
That very emptiness is energy!
His teachings are enlightening and I am so glad that it came to me when I was most in need.
To analyse jk teaching one must hv that kind of mental frequency...
Thank you so much JK.❤️🙏
Yes, Sir, i do follow. Grateful
Listening to you everyday…
The most wonderful man on Earth! ❤
I have started to listen to his videos he really was good at looking at it from the veiw of what is
Master. A man with eyes
Thanks for serving JKs inquiry about life ❤️👏
Everytime he sez "do you follow me Sir"
I nod my head
Thank you Guruji 🌸
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Interesting, very few comments actually mention the actual question and for that omit an honest opinion , which suggests we all fear being without money, so our sense to survive daily has to have that knowledge we have enough to survive even though we know we do. Very good talk Mr K
I follow you, my mind is clear.
I have been reading J K books for over stencil st50 years I had the opportunity to li
Thank you Sir - you enlightened me of emptiness belongs to huge energy ...love it ...
Speechless 🌌💞🙏
Thank you 🙏🌟
It's just fabtstic to listen this fantastic man and get the deepeset knowledhe about the life
This was excellent I mean wonderful I learned a lot watching this
This is true analysis.
Thank you so much for the subtitles! It was sometimes hard to grasp every word because I understand that the recording was such back in the days. Thanks again!
Because money is everything
Marvelous !!! Thank-you, Sir 😁
Without people, there is no money to speak of. The root of all evil is not to be found with money.
meanwhile while there is money the suffering will continue to be enormous
You have fallen for propaganda by people who love money or even are under a self-deception... The Bible didn't say that money is the root of all evil, but that the love of money is the root of all evil. There is an infinite difference...
Maybe you dig the song, 'Money Is Flesh by Swans'
Damn that was well put!!
I think you can have minimal luxury and help and share with others the excess.
Everything in the universe is about Balance. Money is a tool, the lesson is always on how we use it. How we use it will determine if u gonna be happy or not
I am trying to understand this to get an extent of what should I do as a designer and the responsibility behind the buying etc Because qe are the ones who dictate what the Clients should buy
"I am trying to understand this to get an extent of what should I do as a designer and the responsibility behind the buying etc Because qe are the ones who dictate what the Clients should buy"
I also have similar concerns.
The way I see it, we are rising in consciousness, and as that process goes, we will put more and more awareness on every of our actions, which includes consumption which up until now was mainly subconscious.
As levels of consciousness rise, buyers will put more and more attention to what quality of products they are buying, and what kind of company are they buying from. They will not want to give their money to companies who have any kind of bad practices.
Those who are on other side, meaning who are in those companies, will also have to be more mindful to which company do they want to provide their time and effort.
So yes, both buyers and producers will all have to take their part of responsibility.
Brilliant.
Many people nowadays are getting busy being occupied with books and videos and smartphones that they don’t have any time left for their own original. As JK said that the true relationship with money is keep no relationship with it at all, because money is nothing unless you put your attention to it, so whether you have a lot or little of it and still having necessary, you are free from it.!
Resonate very much so to the root of human conditioning.
k was simply awesome
Brilliant 🙏🏽✨
Thank you so much for the videos！🙏🏻
thankyou to this channel for uploading this wonderful video ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for the videos 😊
Brilliant 🙏
he is one of man in history never will get replaced , only thing bother me is why his influence stayed limit it should have moved or at least done a lot in the whole world consciousness
do any one know why his purpose or meaning never went widely globally
I think ..we humans.. is not yet ready to absorve what he was puting out...
His teaching is quite heavy , not many people get it. Need review many time to get his point. Blessing to people who understand him.
There are not enough devotees of truth.
I agree J.K teachings are very intellectually intense. Or top notch. And I am always comprehending logically. But J.K I find watching same few times to truly digest it..or whether I can digest it. But I do give my best..
@@lisale798 I agree you need certain level of maturity to understand what JK is pointing to and very few will get it the whole system for generations has been conditioning people for example' influences from news media, politicians, entertainment industry, education system, work demands e.t,c this keeps the mind occupied asleep and distracted from what is really important in life which is inquiring into their own true nature, to wake up in this world is like going against the tide in the ocean but once you get it becomes quite natural
Money is not the problem the love of it is...
Amazing
Relavant on any day 🙏
I just want to get the riches to solidify my happiness.
I see a lot of people with ton's of money, but just because they've got a lot of money doesn't make them worth a $hit. But I do get what you mean, I could care less about a huge house and all the other look at me status, I would just like to have their money to have somewhat more options. Should I go to work today or I wish I could really help that person out who I know is struggling.
Money gives freedom, security, enjoyment ,almost everything - but in the name of God - religion asks money - why our brain occupied with money? -Not only money we are occupied with everything - it is our state of mind - to be occupied with something - hence brain is full - we fear of no mind - is it possible to be without occupation- observe - not to record even the observation - hence mind feels alive, free, extraordinary active - Are we aware of chattering - enquire slowly -step by step - Do not ask how to stop chattering - then the very process invoved in stoping the mind chattering is also an occupation - observe the consequences of occupation slowly - Do not seek empty mind - the very observation of youself releases you from occupation
super
Without money, you can't live in this society. We are all conditioning created by our thought. We always play trick with ourselves because we all love doing these.
beautyful garden if you are lucky❤️
He is conservatively mentioning Advait Vedanta or non duality. Very deep indeed. No one can understand him if one has not read Upanishads in great depth.
On the contrary it is far easier to sift through the muck and understand true Advaita Vedanta after understanding him in plain English. That is why many scholars came to him for clearer understanding.
That emptiness has potential and potential is infinite. Only empty brain can connect to infinite.
Those who are empty on the inside..must decorate themselves on the outside.
I realize I have been occupied with the observation rather than observing:(
We can not get rid of conditioning; since the design algorithm is based on survival aspects and life security means… the social values have to be observed thereafter the conditioning will be upgraded, approaching integrity…
I thank krishnamurti foundation for providing such a thought provoking discussions. Can I have a transcription of this please...
jkrishnamurti.org/content/2nd-question-answer-meeting-31
People who insist on not finding their answers from within keep gurus in business.
So, thinking about money is the problem.
Or thinking about anything more than neccesary is the problem.
Thinking. 💭 is seemingly the problem
End of video: Where there is emptiness there is energy.
This immense energy is what must be channeled into one's professional life to shine with full talent and potential . Such a totality will bring its own financial rewards
K is not against materialism. He wants us to be rich in both inner and outer world.
Great man
What is right relationship with money? I know!
Earn it a lot and use it right .... Right? ...
K says, "Just look. Don't let it be occupied with money, and the brain becomes shallow. There is no room in the brain. Free it from bourgeois mind" .... "See the fact and move away from it" K says.
Free my mind, open my eyes, to see the facts ....
For k--l below, money is a medium and it always flows like liquid. If in a free and capitalistic society like America (less man-made obstructions like China and India now), it moves to the well-deserved, do-gooders and some greedy yet miserable moguls. But K's foundations and schools are far from rich and powerful, but of volunteers, long time supporters and anyone that wants to be set free, money or not. Have you been to their Ojai site? It's just a very unassuming (California standard) farm-house but full of positive energy. Be positive, don't be fearful of unjust situations, money will flow to you. Act with uncluttered heart and mind. It's the universal law.
well said!!!!
🙏
When the brain is so occupied than there is no space. 9:00
See the fact of it and move away from it 👌 19:16
Money is everything, life true purpose is make more money, and enjoy the life
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+Sunnykumar Modi Here's the transcript:
4th Question: What is the right relationship to money?
If you haven’t any you have no relationship! (Laughter) Like the speaker, it is very simple! But to be serious, (laughs) what is right relationship to money? Why has money become so important? Just let’s enquire into it. We are not the Delphic Oracle, or laying down the law, or telling you what you should think or do, but we are trying together to understand the problems of life, which are very complex, which need deep examination impersonally, objectively, sanely. So this is one of the problems, money. Why has money become so important? Is it because we have become worldly? ‘Worldly’ I am using in the sense, attached to the things that thought has put together. That is the first question I am asking. It is a complex question, we will go into it.
Is it because money gives us freedom? You can travel if you have lots of money, you become powerful, become Lord this and that. If you have money you have a status, you are respected, you are looked up to. This is happening. If you have money you can do almost anything - go against all the laws. You see this everyday. Money is not supposed to be transferred from one country to another but if you are wealthy you have a secret account in Switzerland - you know all this - or transfer great wealth to America and so on. And if you have money you can enjoy yourself. So money has become extraordinarily valuable in all those senses.
And without money you can’t do much either. If you want some clothes and so on you must have some money. But the question is really: why has money in our life, apart from buying necessary things or having something which is pleasant: nice picture, or a nice vase, or some beautiful ornament, apart from all that - or a beautiful garden if you are lucky - apart from that why do we lay such emphasis on money? You answer it please.
I do not know if you realise what religions have become, organised religions: vast wealth, they are really business organizations in the name of god. This vast wealth of the gurus, incredible wealth, which all of us - not all of us, some of us have given to these gentlemen. And so money has become important. And when you go to the temples and so on, there is always money being asked. Are we so occupied with money? Naturally the poor man who has no money, he is naturally thinking about it. But those of us who have a little money, are we occupied with it? Is our main concern or occupation money?
That awakens another question which is: why are our minds perpetually occupied? - occupied with something or other. If you are occupied with meditation when you are talking about meditation, then you are occupied with it - god - you follow? Everything from the housewife to the highest religious authorities are occupied - why? You understand my question? This is not an irrelevant question, it is relevant because our occupation with money or with sex, with this or with that, indicates the state of our own minds, our own hearts. To be occupied with something. Does it mean that this occupation with business, with money, with sex, with god, with the guru, with the politician and so on, so on, keeps our brain full? You understand my question? Is it that we are afraid not to be occupied? Please look at it. Look at ourselves, which is: am I occupied from morning till night and when I go to sleep the brain is also occupied, with dreams, with all kinds of sensations. So there is never a moment when the brain is not occupied. Is that so? And when the brain is so occupied there is no space - you understand? - and so the brain becomes more and more shallow. You can see this happening. Is it because we are frightened of not being occupied, therefore having no space, the brain having no rest at all, therefore wearing itself out. Right? The wearing itself out is a part of senility. Right? So is there a possibility of not being occupied? Merely to look, to observe, not be occupied with observation. Just to look, to observe so that the brain has a rest, not to record because our brain is all the time recording. I don’t know if you are following all this! If it interests you. Then your brain becomes extraordinarily alive, pliable.
If you have ever observed without a single thought, have you? - to observe a tree, to observe the water, a sheet of water, the light on it, to observe a woman or a man without all the consequences of that observation, the sensations, so that your mind is really free from occupation. How can a brain that is occupied ever observe? You understand my question? How can a mind - a brain rather - that is always occupied with something casual, daydreaming, with the kitchen or with god, they are all the same, all occupations are the same, they are not superior occupations or inferior occupations, we are talking about occupation per se. Such a mind is really the most bourgeois mind in the world, including the Communists. Is chattering part of this occupation? - talking, talking, talking, endlessly, you follow? Now are we aware of this occupation, and experimenting with ourselves to see if it stops? Then to find out whether there is fear and pursue that fear - you follow? Go to the very end of it and end it. As we talked about it at previous talks. Then see what happens to this brain which has space, which has quietness, which is not occupied. If you say, ‘How am I to do it? Tell me the steps, the method how not to be occupied’, then those steps, those methods become your occupation, you are back in the cycle. But if you see the consequences of occupation, and see the fact of it, you move away from it. So if one is occupied with money, why? Either you are poor, which is natural, then you have to be concerned about it, but even if you are poor to be occupied eternally from morning till night, and the man who is very rich is also terribly occupied, how to keep the money, increase it - you know the whole business.
So the real question is: can the mind be free from all occupation? If I may repeat some incident: we were in the Himalayas once far away from all noise and in a cottage, and a group of monks, sannyasis came rushing into the cottage to tell me something. They knew who I was, the person who was occupying it. So they came to see me and they said, ‘We have just come from a man who is far away in the hills who is full of knowledge. And we have just come and we are filled with that knowledge.’ And we said ‘What is that knowledge?’ And we went into it. At the end of it we discovered the solitary person living in the Himalayas was really not solitary at all. He has carried all the world’s knowledge up there and so he is never alone, never quiet. He is full of that knowledge and can therefore perhaps can never experience something totally original. A mind which is occupied can never experience something original. It is only the mind that is free, if I can use the word, empty.
We were talking with a scientist some days ago and we were saying that emptiness is very important in life, not vacuum, not being just vague and daydreaming but really a mind that is not occupied has space and is totally empty. And we were saying that such a mind is full of energy. And the scientist agreed. He said ‘Where there is emptiness it is not empty, that very emptiness is energy’. I am telling you something. So let us… you think about it, you know, look at it.
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Can the mind be free from all occupation?
Back to cycle
so in a spiritual perspective, what one should do if they need money to support their live and theirs family ? we can not just be "don't mind" when we know our children need shelter, food, education and etc, will an "empty mind" brings the solution we need? please enlighten me 🙏
An ‘empty mind’ means there is no ‘me’ and so no ‘my family’, ‘my money’ and so on. Your question only arises to crowded minds.
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to get money = work
to get food , shelter , cloths etc. u need money. So work. That is the answer. Money will began to become a problem if you just desire get a lot or desire to spend it all. Thats all.
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Why has money become so important ?
Nothingness ....Emptiness is not easy to achieve.. We need to do lot of practice to stop imagination, greed, comparison and brain programing....Human lives with reality not more than ten percent of the life....90% of the life occupied with nonsense.....
You only have to watch the thought, the self, the happenings. Nothingness doesn't mean everything becomes zero but you become. There's a certain dissociation that happens yet you are fully attentive. If you look for your own answer with tremendous need, hunger, attention, you'd find it's right there. You believe it's an immediate thing right? And that every human has it while born and can have it almost instantaneously in due life. Then why do we listen to odur thoughts that it is the hardest and yet the simplest. Why is that when we go to one end there's another end at the pole. Why the pole shifts. Experiment is the word if at all. We need to experiment with ourselves of who we are and what is meditation. One day, one moment, it's simpler to grab. Now to sustain, there's an ordeal to understand, and understanding will rise and make you free. Your own understanding. Not Ks, nor anybody else's.
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5:13 organised religious!!!
an anasha my parents hate me cause i'm making no profit, how to get over it and still love them ? peace
Move on from haters
Become a zero, if you want to become a hero.
00:41 if you haven't than no relationship🙏😅
Empty mind n empty purse, can they co-exist?
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theres no "apart from that", thats why.