But don't forget 1 Timothy 4:8 "For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come."
That scripture is great, it seems to emphasize that spiritual training should be prioritized being the more important aspect I am currently going through some rough times, and I see myself as a type of Christian soldier or warrior and I believe in training my body in service of my wits, training my wits in service of my spirit and training my spirit in service of my LORD, and I workout hard and work long hours driving for Amazon(which I like) and my training has helped discipline myself so that I can also pray and study scripture more which I love
@@ReformedRabbit oh I think all people should defend themselves. Why wouldn't I? In fact, I think people shouldn't be prevented from protecting themselves just because a book told them not to (not saying the Bible is saying that, I'm saying in general).
I'm also very passionate about Martial arts, ever since i was a kid, but sadly i was unable to train because of voices from the Christian community that we as Christians should not engage in Martial Arts, I'm very thankful for this explanation, I'm 27 now and planning to start training, i don't know how i will react when i achieve my first Black belt i might burst into tears that's how much i love it, may God give me success in Jesus holy name Amen.
As a Christian and as a practitioner of multiple martial arts I can agree with everything that you have said here. There was a time in my life that I too got into a meditative aspects of ninjitsu, or even some of the things that have been intertwined into the teaching at specific schools that I was attending. It wasn’t until I had a coming home with Christ that I would make sure that the schools that I was attending had a Christian philosophy.
"He who has a sword, and knows how to use it, but keeps it sheathed shall inherit the earth." The way that was interpreted to me is that you should know how to fight in case you NEED to, just don’t go looking for fights. 🤷♂️
I studied Bujinkan pretty heavily as well as Chi Gong, all of this Japanese Ki school of thought, English wizardry, scrying, wand making, et cetera. I was naturally adapted for ninjutsu, jujitsu, Judo, it just fit me like a glove. I was really really good at grappling, and I could take down people well above my level with a little bit of slight of hand, and a knowledge of anatomy and physiology. I got into remote viewing, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, and telepathy. This stuff has scarred me for life. Once Jesus found me at the age of 26, it was amazing looking back at just how far down the rabbit hole I really was. This stuff is real, and it's really terrifying when you get into it. Deception and magick are synonymous. Run to Jesus as fast as you can. Jesus is INFINITELY more powerful than the devil will ever be. The devil just tells you "A little bit closer, a little bit closer, a little bit closer," and the next thing you know, you're screwed.
@andrewhawkins8616 Thank you so much for your testimony!! Like WoW!! I need to share your testimony with other people, as you went through so much! … I’m still struggling to understand whether it’s still ok to do defensive and offensive martial arts or not. I would greatly value your opinion… Also, your involvement was huge, and I believe it would be a great idea if you could share your story online… Please let me know if you’d consider doing that, as I’d love to hear it, and be able to share it… God bless you brother 🙏
Could you have just accepted that you could be a gifted individual with great talents? And you throw that away for religion because of a horrific experience?
My son has been in taekwondo since he was 5 (he's 10 now) and it has been so good for him physically, mentally, and socially! The school puts a big emphasis on their tenets, which are leadership, strength, commitment, knowledge, and respect.
@@GabrielofAdonai You know the answer you're going to get, asking Jeff Durbin about martial arts. I have no issue with a man training in hand to hand combat to protect his family/community/country, and competing in olympic style martial arts, where the goal is to score points through superior technique. I think a Christian who actively participated in popular MMA, where the goal is to batter, punish and damage your opponent until they lose consciousness, would be disqualified from church leadership by 1Timothy 3:3.
@@brettschlee7090 that's a good view of things...I personally dont like how all the Easter arts stem from Buddhism. Most dojos have Buddha or some other false god or teacher enshrined.
It is important to yield great power with respect. Do not lash out in anger, but lash out in love. To fight the opponent with protection for others in mind, and also the opponents well being. You do not fight an opponent because you want to.. you fight only if you have to.
What about yoga for excersise? You could technically separate yoga spiritual practice from the exercise moves? I am not a yoga person but I just don’t get how you make the argument against yoga and yet can advocate martial arts feels like a bit of mental gymnastics … would love a response to this… thanks guys
This is actually what I’m thinking also. This seems very much the same to me, and I can’t help but wonder if the effort to defend it, even certain forms, is because they are so intertwined in practicing it themselves.
I guess with yoga I know you are making the actusl moves to worship the God's the whole thing g is to worship God's. Maybe the difference with this is the moves don't do that? Except the chi one they were saying was about energy. But maybe if you do it without the meditation and all that. 🤔 I am curious more about it though.
You can literally just do the movements for different purposes. All things have been changed. Christmas was inspired by a pagan holiday. If I do tai chi for the art, not the spirituality it's a different purpose. If I do martial arts for the sport, it's a different purpose. Yoga is just rest and recovery exercises for me, as someone who learned a bit of Kinesiology
I believe you can separate the occultism from martial arts. I've learned some tai chi without any taoist influence. I just looked for teachers who never mentioned "chi" as a magical energy or whatever. I personally believe a more scientific explanation of chi that it's just the electric impulses from your brain to your extremities and the blood flow. Like adrenaline. I don't believe in casting chi or auras or whatever I just focus on the physics of the art. And mostly I learn it as a base so I can learn the sword styles. The teachers I go to don't ever mention chi. It's arguable that their not "real tai chi masters" for excluding the taoist aspects but again I only focus on the movements mostly for a base to learn the sword forms and its great cardio. I learn muay thai and jiu-jitsu also but I also throw in a little tai chi wing chun and pak mei and even some kyokushin karate and shotokan. Whenever I meditate I meditate on scripture. I literally sit in silence and listen to my audio bible and sip hot tea. I separate the spiritual occultism from any system that has historically included them. I don't even think about them. It's fun to watch in movies but I personally believe it's all fake.
@@JJ-pl5cj Oh yes, it’s for real! Every single yoga pose is an act of worship to a Hindu god… It’s a case of the East has seduced the West, and wow has it been seduced!! I’ve watched many testimonies of those who got into yoga, and the end result wasn’t good. Fortunately the ones I read about or saw, were rescued by Christ. Some go insane, especially if they move onto transcendental meditation. I read a book years ago called ‘The death of a Guru’ and it was an eye opener! If you have any interest in finding out about what happens within Hinduism spiritually, this is an amazing book to read! God bless
@@JJ-pl5cjGlad you realized that. It's very real and if it's originated in paganism you CANNOT separate it and it's really dangerous to try to white wash it especially as a Christian.
I was convicted by The Holy Spirit, when I was partaking in karate, something happened when I ended class and bowed down, my spirit was alarmed, I took it to prayer and God revealed to me that Karate and Yoga are both linked to Hinduism, which means your participation in worshiping other Gods rather you realize it or not! I would suggest if your really serious about finding out the truth about the spiritual implications of this practice, get wisdom from someone whose not as passionate and emotionally invested in the practice, many times our own passions can blind us from the truth!!! Praying whoever is seeking truth, finds it, Amen!
Wrestling, brazilian jiu jitsu, kickboxing, and MMA, generally have 0 religious connection. they have no spiritual connections or anything like that. they’re purely sports and martial arts.
@@Rkosin bjj is comes from jiu jitsu and judo of japan, kickboxing is a mixture of muay thai, karate, and boxing. Only boxing and wrestling are completely devoid of asian spiriutal connections.
Hey Jeff! I was practicing Wing Chun back 2003/04 and my Sifu incorporated Qi Gong meditation. In 2004 I was in a near fatal car accident where a lady found me and pleaded God's mercy over me. Which was my Saul to Paul conversation moment that brought me back to Christ. I don't practice Qi Gong and haven't since 2004. Altho, I do still have the EXPLOSIVE energy that comes from my bodily energy which I attribute to God being the source. Do you see anything wrong with that?
You’ve rebuked the sin, repented, and now glorify Christ. That is all God asks from us. Being a new creation doesn’t mean you have to literally forget your past but rather use it for your witness moving forward. Based on your post you seem just fine but pray on it, search the scriptures and bring everything to God if your spirit isn’t settled.
I love MMA and martial arts as a whole but I do agree there are aspects that should not be practiced or glorified. I am very careful with what I allow my children to watch (or myself for that matter) however I do let them watch UFC and BJJ competitions. My thought is it's controlled and after the matches you see the respect aspect. I do acknowledge it's violent but I do not want my kids to be ignorant to the world and I am more afraid of raising weak children than exposing them to MMA. Some Christians disagree with me. Your thoughts on letting them watch MMA?
I allow my kids to watch as well. I'm a huge fan of UFC and Bellator. I think it's important to consider that this is a voluntary engagement between consenting adults. I feel as though combat sports being as popular as they were in ancient Greece, likely would have been condemned by Paul, if they were indeed sinful to partake in. However, that is speculation on my part.
@@caseyfenton90 I’ve read a good deal about Ancient Greco-Roman fighting. Those were often under political and slave like conditions to quench societies thirst for violence and entertainment, especially when it was Christians vs animals. I would concede that MMA in our culture could be a Segway to more violence and/or conditioning. Again my justification is I’m more concerned with the feminization of men and the assaults on my daughters that I see it as a counter balance and hope it will encourage them to do BJJ and such as a safety precaution. I know that in doing so it brings the respect, restraint, confidence, etc to their life but I’m willing to be convinced either way. In any event I appreciate your response. Good to know there are other like minded Christians.
Would Jesus have gone to the collusem and enjoyed watching the sport of fighting? Of murder? Of senseless beating of one another? It's beating and bruising the temple of God isn't it? Personally speaking it encourages violence and carnality. I don't think it could be justified any other way than appeasing to the flesh. The Spirit is loving one another, never laying a hand on another, and yes, though it's voluntary, it is worldly entertainment that also promotes anger, gambling, drinking, vanity and seeking pleasure from the world and not Word as two men try to kill one another. Psalm 119 37Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, And revive me in Your way. Isaiah 33 15He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly, He who despises the gain of oppressions, Who gestures with his hands, refusing bribes, Who stops his ears from hearing of bloodshed, And shuts his eyes from seeing evil: 16He will dwell on high; His place of defense will be the fortress of rocks; Bread will be given him, His water will be sure. Christians are supposed to turn away from the world, to stand out from the world, not conform to its patterns of pride and violence. Would Christ sit with you and cheer on with you as you watch men beat themselves? I get sucked in and watch it at times but I know it's my flesh that enjoys it and the Spirit it grieves. You can teach your boys to defend themselves, to be strong. But as a Christian I would never encourage that through UFC or MMA. Train them yourself. There is better ways to teach them of the reality of the world. Perhaps a false equivalency but to teach them about sex/the reality of the world would you want them watching porn?
@@DylanIsArchAngel I think you’ve raised a lot of good points but my biggest objection would be you’ve mischaracterized what MMA is. It is not senseless beatings of each other and anyone who has actually trained or even watched the sport long enough knows that. Martial Arts is a vehicle that unlocks great human qualities and potential. Things like discipline, health, humility, perseverance, etc. Not only does it build those positive attributes but it eliminates negative attributes like pride, ego, bullying, etc BJJ in particular is not about hurting your opponent which is why you adhere to a tap system that can be activated well before you’re in any physical danger. Even on the street, BJJ is often used as a non lethal, docile way to subdue an attacker (blood chokes for example). In secular terms, the people I’ve been around that practiced MMA are some of the very best I’ve known. Now none of this is to ever replace the gospel nor does a “moral secularist” have any leg up on a “immoral secularist” in the eyes of God but you get the idea. I do like the litmus test of if Jesus was here would he …. But that’s a hard one. I mean one could make an argument he wouldn’t engage and comment on social media but I get your point and probably agree he wouldn’t sit and cheer UFC. BJJ and wrestling? Who knows. Lastly, and this is my worldview coming in and perhaps not a great response, but I think back to all the warriors in scripture. Yes they were led by Gods hand but surely they put themselves in that position to be used. It’s likely, Samson for example, trained in combat. Now where are those strong men now? I look around and see weak men afraid to share anything but a watered down version of the gospel. I want to raise up men and woman, first and foremost spiritually strong, but also physically and mentally tough as well. To me MMA is that vehicle. I’m open to ideas but in the age of everyone gets a trophy and a safe space…. MMA, BJJ, wrestling seems to be my best solution for a well rounded, face adversity head on, fear not, attitude to raise my kids with. Gospel first always, face controversy head on second. That’s my home.
@@sharplikecheddar2 @sharplikecheddar2 thanks for the response! My main contention is with the organization of UFC itself where that itself promotes money, gambling etc. MMA as a practice is much like what you said; a great tool to build discipline, humility, strength and character. So I wouldn't have an issue with anyone learning it because as you say again, so many who do are good examples of well trained men in physicality and spiritual discipline. It's again a great way for men to control that rage and be better equipped to handle situations of self defence and non-lethal like you said. I agree again that we look around and see weak men; both in heart and flesh and MMA is a vechile to grow in for that. So glad to hear your views on the watered down gospel so many have succumbed to because of the fragile mentality this society has seemingly crafted and encouraged. I especially appreciate your final paragraph there and it's a joy to hear from a parent in Christ with such strong values; praise God and may He bless you and your family through Christ to abound in all spiritual blessings ❤ I hope this helps my personal opinion be understood clearer; the practice of MMA is different to watching the UFC and other organisations which through advertisement, social media and the characters they hire/emphasize promote the antichrist qualities mentioned earlier. It is good to be equipped to handle adversity in this life, to be strong and disciplined, I personally wouldn't watch or subscribe to UFC though for entertainment due to its culture.
Ya You're right.. there's hardcore christians that throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak and just paint it all with a wide brush Glad you explained it for those that shy away from an important topic in the Art of Defending ourselves and others
I did taekwondo as a kid, but spent a lot more energy in gymnastics. Loved them both. So as I got older I wanted to get my son involved in body mechanics, I chose capoeira for overall body awareness and most fun. Enrolled a year for the discount, shortly after I learned capoeira is highly meshed with voodoo and the occult, praying to false gods. A lot of pagan elements. Gospel message was is very offensive to many. So much of it is ancestry worship. Had a guilty conscience about it all, to compensate for the guilt I talked about Christ. It's an amazing exercise though. And for those who become acrobatic enough, the kicks are brutal
I agree somewhat. But if your a father and someone is attacking your child your telling me your going to stand and watch. I think that self defence depends on various situations but I don’t think we should be like willing fight others like that.
If you're not neutered with a lack of knowledge or yolked with false religion God can absolutely put you above the best occultist fighter. Feminism and pacifism have set us back SO far. One of the false things I was taught as a child is that Christians are basically ordered to live beneath and as a lower caste than the world. That is dead wrong. If Christians are called to follow the laws and statutes of their nations then as Americans (not roman slaves) you are called to defend this land with the most extreme force if necessary. But growing up Christians to me were like Dante Hicks in clerks, Ever backing down. Shame and disgrace.
But sometimes people die in boxing matches and even MMA matches, are Christians still allowed to take part in these competitions?? Ppl have also died even in. Just a hard sparring session after being rocked once or twice
He said that those combat systems don't have occult integration in them. I disagree, muay thai is filled with demonic activity. Oceania champion witnessed demonic activity due to muay thai. Also wing chun, I did that for a few years and grateful that God got me out of it because it had remote viewing. I also did Judo for a season and there's alot of bowing while on your knees to the tutors, to pictures on the wall to flags etc. Had someone pray in my house and sensed a dark presence at the bottom of my wardrobe. He opened it up and saw that at the bottom of my wardrobe were my judo gi and BJJ gi. I did BJJ for many years, not as much spiritual stuff there, but still bowed before getting on the mat and bow before coaches at times. I did boxing for many years, probably the most detached from the spiritual world. Probably because it's a western sport, however, it probably has it's evil roots as well. In conclusion, learn to box and wrestle. Don't watch MMA or combat sport anymore because it's not good to watch people bash each other's brains and cripple God's creation.
yes, why not? king David, beheaded Goliath, David carried Goliath's severe head all the way to Jerusalem (not sure why) and he kept Goliath's weapon in his tent. Then Saul sent Abner to find and bring forth David to him , Abner found David and he brought him to Saul and, here David still carrying Goliath's head. (not sure why still carrying Goliath's head in fact he violated the Levitical law of not touching blood and the dead)
They could touch the dead. They would have had to touch them to dispose of them. I can't remember what the specifics were for after touching the dead, but there were cleansing protocols for things like that. For example, if a man and wife had sex they were to wash themselves with water afterward and be unclean until morning.
We gotta remember Simon was a zealot David had a great love for god but he was a warrior and then there’s Samson but we need to learn how to control ourselves
There's a local martial arts studio near me named "Agape Martial Arts." I thought that might be an unfortunate choice of names. The first thing I thought of was, nothing speaks of God's love like kicking someone's butt. (*sarcasm*)
That is easy to answer ,abraham took some men to defend his cousin I'm pretty sure the men were not train in planting flowers ,the son of god Said himself that if need be thousands of angels would come to his aid,samson with the approval of God killed a 1000 philistine Men ,so yes you can surely defend yourself .
I did Judo as a kid and I don't remember any eastern philosophy brought into it. It was pure pragmatic training. Warmups + practicing of judo techniques and occasionally competition. I learned disciplin, great warmup exercises, induction of joint liquid by repeatedly squeezing your fists and body coordination.
God doesn't want someone hurting your family while you stand their turning the other cheek. Sure, if a guy who clearly can't punch hits you, don't lay him out.
I think we should do martial arts but we shouldn't do things that warship other religions so it is okay to do karate but not okay to do parts of karate that warship other religions
That is easy to answer the scripture tells us with this example that abraham had a army to rescue his nephew lot genesis 13,14 ...14,14........318 men trained to fight not give roses .so it is ok to train, as long as you don't use it for evil I would say ,with a certain logik
I love this. Just clicked off a video that didtwo things I cannot stand. Firstly, it claimed that we should not learn any martial arts and secondly (and more importantly, it disabled comments! Why would anyone disable comments unless they cannot deal with criticism (reality)
I’m curious what are some Christian thoughts on training martial arts in a gym/dojo that offers something like Tai Chi. There is a Kung Fu dojo near me that offers sanda classes (Chinese kickboxing) which I would be interested in learning, but they also offer other classes like Tai Chi. Is it wrong to even train at a place like that even if I wouldn’t be doing Tai Chi?
What are your thoughts about Kendo? I'm a Christian and also practicing Kendo for the last year and have no such impression, but it would be interesting your point of view on that.
Be wary of eastern styles because they're tied to eastern spirituality. European arts like Boxing, Wrestling, Savate, HEMA, and possibly systema I've never come across any christians saying they had demonic experiences with those.
Technically, The Ancient Israelite soldiers should of had there own martial arts styles. When you read what king david and his mighty warriors were capable of in the old testament they were basically superhuman even compared to UFC fighters. Wish their style had been preserved
Of course they should, they have been practicing martial arts for thousands of years. In England one of the earliest known fighting arts was documented in the 11th century. The crusades, the knightly arts, and peasant martial arts. They still exist in England today.
I'm a conservative christian and martial artist. Served in the Military also. DO NOT CALL TAI CHI a garbage martial art!!!!! Tai Chi is a high level martial art which is great for health and mental wellness. Christians should not be focused on combat so much in the martial arts, that only puts us in a violent mindset.
Filipino Martial Arts are great also. Many Filipinos martial artists are Christians. Filipino Martial arts focus on weapons first also, which is great for most types of people, especially children and women since weapons do not require as much strength. FMA also does have empty hand fighting, wrestling, grappling, and many take downs and joint locks that are useful for military and law enforcement.
Thank you so much for this clarity. As a new Christian I have been struggling with this issue dealing with my training of the Martial Arts and various combat systems for over 20 years and I pretty much told God that I would give it to him to give me clarity on this issue and here I am at this video. As a Combat Veteran of OIF, martial arts has been a big component of my life and I feel that outside of the combat applications, it has various other benefits dealing with health, mental spiritual and obviously physical.
Precisely define occultism. Precisely define divination. Precisely define chi. Precisely define Taoism. Precisely define their use in martial arts. After that, compare & contrast those definitions with bible verses that address them directly as being evil. Jeff, you are an apologist with knowledge of philosophy and debate. Please treat this topic accordingly because this video clip, at least, just sounds fear mongering superstitions.
Ninjutsu is an 80's movie based martial art. Hatsumi sensei was a better marketer than a sensei. It's full of useful stuff but also packed full of nonsense.
Christian monks practiced martial arts prior to the crusades and after the crusades. Leave the debates to the posers and leave the fighting the actual warfighters.
How do you "turn the other cheek " if someone hits you though and what if some random stranger demands you walk a mile with them when Jesus commanded us to walk two miles with them and give them all our clothes if they sue us for our shirt??
I mean the same can be said for body building or workouts in general, do you do it to hurt , or for a last resort or love of the sport and health of the flesh, not the sin
Much of Tai Chi Chuan is misunderstood because as you pointed out, combat applications versus a form of "power building". Often, chinese jacket wrestling, Shuai Jiao will have a Tai Chi Chuan part of the curriculum because Tai Chi, as an American prison boxer put it, is what we think of as a wrestling style, not boxing style. I absolutely know, much of that milieu is about building "power", and such an art should be observed by Christians in cirumspection because there are Chinese, Christian converts, of multiple generations that train the style. Sorcery, this term came up when I was more active in such training.
Psalm 82:3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless, maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Isaiah 1:17 learn to do good, seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28 KJV Jesus lives Jesus Christ is Lord For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23 KJV Jesus loves you repent You're a sinner in need of a Savior That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10 KJV
Absolutely Christians should do martial arts I do kickboxing and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and I love it. The idea that Christians should be passive is ridiculous!!!!!!
There is a gung fu sifu in Malaysia who is Christian and requires his students to read the Bible for about 30 minutes to an hour before training.I do a gung fu style named Fut Ga Kuen which is very similar to Wing Chun, but more mobile.I do salute my Sifu, but stay away from bowing to the alters.I do stay away from lion dancing as well.I don't exert chi or any of the breathing exercises.I to be as careful as possible when I train.I would appreciate advice and prayers. But muay Thai does have a traditional ritual before they fight which could be bad.
Hey brothers, grace be to you. I love this channel and your work, praise the Lord. I’ve learned much from you. As a fellow believer in Jesus, I would like to encourage you in love to cover up your arm tattoos. I understand that they are permanent and you probably got them in your lost life, but those in the ministry are held to a much higher standard and will receive the greater condemnation (James 3:1). Tattoos are clearly spoken against in Leviticus 19:28. I say this not to condemn you, but to encourage you to meet that standard of holiness that is expected of ministers of the word of God. The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you, amen!
My man if your talking about Leviticus 19 you better also read 19:27 and never cut your beard or hair. I think there are good arguments against tattoos in the Bible but you can't use the mosaic law for that. God bless
@@TJ-gp6ut you think God digs tattoos? Scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness. The law points us to God’s perfect standard. I don’t think tattoos scream “born again”. There are things that nature tells us (I.e. long hair on men is a shame).
@@reykaisertvThat's not nature that's a societal standard that was made up. That's nurture. Tell Samson that long hair is a shame. How is long hair on a man, a shame? Because abunch of conservatives said so? As TJ said, should you never cut your beard then?
The full episode is uploaded on the apologia channel. If i remember correctly the episode was titled something like “Cultish: Ninjitsu and Martial Arts”
Amen brothers, I have trained in Bujinkan budo taijutsu ,aka Ninjutsu for 25yrs + and the real essense of Ninjutsu is the art of feeling, sensing, when there is danger etc, when to physically defend oneself, family,those in need ,and when to evade,defuse etc. God first always
Side question off topic: Does anyone know if Jeff Durbin will be hosting an online forum for Ash Wednesday? I would love to get in on this from home after work. Thank you 🙏🏻
From a Christian perspective, what are your thoughts on preemptive striking? For example, an aggressor hasn't swung first, but they have made it very clear tat they want to hurt you and/or their body language indicates that they are about to go, and you go first?
Its definitely very tricky in my opinion but yes! If someone is literally threatening the lives that were made in God's image you literally have a God given right to defend that life 🙏. If you make a mistake you talk to God about it later 💯. In my opinion if you know they are just trying to intimate you and are not really gonna do anything I think God will give you the discernment to figure out if this person is a real threat that you have to take care of or if its someone that just wants to scare you with their intent.
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I train Bjj everyday and compete. I believe it is healthy. As Christians we should strengthen our mind, body and soul.
But don't forget 1 Timothy 4:8 "For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come."
@@AKhinchAMEN!!!🙏🏼❤️👑
That scripture is great, it seems to emphasize that spiritual training should be prioritized being the more important aspect
I am currently going through some rough times, and I see myself as a type of Christian soldier or warrior and I believe in training my body in service of my wits, training my wits in service of my spirit and training my spirit in service of my LORD, and I workout hard and work long hours driving for Amazon(which I like) and my training has helped discipline myself so that I can also pray and study scripture more which I love
@@sy8607 You're absolutely right we should put God first and give Him more of our time! GOD BLESS YOU AMEN!!!🙏❤👑
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Self defense, protecting your family. These are Christian attributes.
Question: have you read the Bible?
@@SupremeVerdict are you saying the Bible commands Christians to not protect their families?
@@ReformedRabbit what I'm asking* is: Have you read the Bible?
@@SupremeVerdict yeah , so your comment has nothing to do with a Christians right to self-defense or the protection of ones family?
@@ReformedRabbit oh I think all people should defend themselves. Why wouldn't I? In fact, I think people shouldn't be prevented from protecting themselves just because a book told them not to (not saying the Bible is saying that, I'm saying in general).
I'm also very passionate about Martial arts, ever since i was a kid, but sadly i was unable to train because of voices from the Christian community that we as Christians should not engage in Martial Arts, I'm very thankful for this explanation, I'm 27 now and planning to start training, i don't know how i will react when i achieve my first Black belt i might burst into tears that's how much i love it, may God give me success in Jesus holy name Amen.
Praying for you that it goes well! God bless!
God bless you man
Just watch out, a lot of martial arts dojos are cult like
As a Christian and as a practitioner of multiple martial arts I can agree with everything that you have said here. There was a time in my life that I too got into a meditative aspects of ninjitsu, or even some of the things that have been intertwined into the teaching at specific schools that I was attending. It wasn’t until I had a coming home with Christ that I would make sure that the schools that I was attending had a Christian philosophy.
I'm a born again Christian!
I also have been practicing Martial arts since 1976. I'm 71 years old.
That's awesome sir!
"He who has a sword, and knows how to use it, but keeps it sheathed shall inherit the earth."
The way that was interpreted to me is that you should know how to fight in case you NEED to, just don’t go looking for fights. 🤷♂️
Thats not from the Bible.
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth."
That's not what Jesus meant
@@Loveyourneighbor770wait wdym?
I studied Bujinkan pretty heavily as well as Chi Gong, all of this Japanese Ki school of thought, English wizardry, scrying, wand making, et cetera. I was naturally adapted for ninjutsu, jujitsu, Judo, it just fit me like a glove. I was really really good at grappling, and I could take down people well above my level with a little bit of slight of hand, and a knowledge of anatomy and physiology. I got into remote viewing, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, and telepathy. This stuff has scarred me for life. Once Jesus found me at the age of 26, it was amazing looking back at just how far down the rabbit hole I really was. This stuff is real, and it's really terrifying when you get into it. Deception and magick are synonymous. Run to Jesus as fast as you can. Jesus is INFINITELY more powerful than the devil will ever be. The devil just tells you "A little bit closer, a little bit closer, a little bit closer," and the next thing you know, you're screwed.
@andrewhawkins8616
Thank you so much for your testimony!! Like WoW!!
I need to share your testimony with other people, as you went through so much! … I’m still struggling to understand whether it’s still ok to do defensive and offensive martial arts or not.
I would greatly value your opinion… Also, your involvement was huge, and I believe it would be a great idea if you could share your story online…
Please let me know if you’d consider doing that, as I’d love to hear it, and be able to share it…
God bless you brother 🙏
Could you have just accepted that you could be a gifted individual with great talents? And you throw that away for religion because of a horrific experience?
@@rebelmnk2382religion? I'm sorry but nothing is worth losing a relationship with Jesus.
Absolutely
Martial arts has nothing to do with magic tho?
My son has been in taekwondo since he was 5 (he's 10 now) and it has been so good for him physically, mentally, and socially! The school puts a big emphasis on their tenets, which are leadership, strength, commitment, knowledge, and respect.
Have you heard Eric Wilson’s testimony
@@JJ-pl5cj
Can I find Eric Wilson on TH-cam?
This is a hilarious video premise... like asking Dr. White "Should Christians shave their heads?"
Soo....I'm trying to decipher if you are pro MMA for the Christian or against by your response...
@@GabrielofAdonai You know the answer you're going to get, asking Jeff Durbin about martial arts. I have no issue with a man training in hand to hand combat to protect his family/community/country, and competing in olympic style martial arts, where the goal is to score points through superior technique. I think a Christian who actively participated in popular MMA, where the goal is to batter, punish and damage your opponent until they lose consciousness, would be disqualified from church leadership by 1Timothy 3:3.
@@brettschlee7090 that's a good view of things...I personally dont like how all the Easter arts stem from Buddhism. Most dojos have Buddha or some other false god or teacher enshrined.
@@GabrielofAdonaiBudda isn't an idol. Buddhism is just a philosophy.
Yep! Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling, Judo, Boxing, Muay Thai. Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling being the best base for actual combat.
Muy Thai is a deeply Spiritual practice and I do question whether it’s appropriate based on the ritual of its practice.
@@TyMcLeodsaaaaaame
I even question judo. Aren’t all Asian martial arts rooted or influenced by a religion like Buddhism or Shintoism?
@@aidannguyenfilms Honestly probably. Folklore and mysticism are huge in Asia.
@@TyMcLeodMost Americans don't do Muay Thai for spiritual practice. It's a combat sport.
It is important to yield great power with respect. Do not lash out in anger, but lash out in love. To fight the opponent with protection for others in mind, and also the opponents well being. You do not fight an opponent because you want to.. you fight only if you have to.
What about yoga for excersise? You could technically separate yoga spiritual practice from the exercise moves?
I am not a yoga person but I just don’t get how you make the argument against yoga and yet can advocate martial arts feels like a bit of mental gymnastics … would love a response to this… thanks guys
This is actually what I’m thinking also. This seems very much the same to me, and I can’t help but wonder if the effort to defend it, even certain forms, is because they are so intertwined in practicing it themselves.
@The Gospel in the Garden I agree like Jeff said there are some arts that are too intertwined with Hinduism,voodoo etc that they can’t be separate
I guess with yoga I know you are making the actusl moves to worship the God's the whole thing g is to worship God's. Maybe the difference with this is the moves don't do that? Except the chi one they were saying was about energy. But maybe if you do it without the meditation and all that. 🤔 I am curious more about it though.
You can literally just do the movements for different purposes. All things have been changed. Christmas was inspired by a pagan holiday. If I do tai chi for the art, not the spirituality it's a different purpose. If I do martial arts for the sport, it's a different purpose. Yoga is just rest and recovery exercises for me, as someone who learned a bit of Kinesiology
we shouldn’t mix 😊❤
I believe you can separate the occultism from martial arts. I've learned some tai chi without any taoist influence. I just looked for teachers who never mentioned "chi" as a magical energy or whatever. I personally believe a more scientific explanation of chi that it's just the electric impulses from your brain to your extremities and the blood flow. Like adrenaline. I don't believe in casting chi or auras or whatever I just focus on the physics of the art. And mostly I learn it as a base so I can learn the sword styles. The teachers I go to don't ever mention chi. It's arguable that their not "real tai chi masters" for excluding the taoist aspects but again I only focus on the movements mostly for a base to learn the sword forms and its great cardio. I learn muay thai and jiu-jitsu also but I also throw in a little tai chi wing chun and pak mei and even some kyokushin karate and shotokan. Whenever I meditate I meditate on scripture. I literally sit in silence and listen to my audio bible and sip hot tea. I separate the spiritual occultism from any system that has historically included them. I don't even think about them. It's fun to watch in movies but I personally believe it's all fake.
I said the same thing when I used to do yoga but it doesn’t work like that
@@JJ-pl5cj
Oh yes, it’s for real!
Every single yoga pose is an act of worship to a Hindu god… It’s a case of the East has seduced the West, and wow has it been seduced!!
I’ve watched many testimonies of those who got into yoga, and the end result wasn’t good. Fortunately the ones I read about or saw, were rescued by Christ. Some go insane, especially if they move onto transcendental meditation.
I read a book years ago called ‘The death of a Guru’ and it was an eye opener!
If you have any interest in finding out about what happens within Hinduism spiritually, this is an amazing book to read!
God bless
@@JJ-pl5cjGlad you realized that. It's very real and if it's originated in paganism you CANNOT separate it and it's really dangerous to try to white wash it especially as a Christian.
Many things invented by Man are not “Christian” but we use them. e.g. Was boxing invented by priests?
@@JJ-pl5cjIt does work like that
I was convicted by The Holy Spirit, when I was partaking in karate, something happened when I ended class and bowed down, my spirit was alarmed, I took it to prayer and God revealed to me that Karate and Yoga are both linked to Hinduism, which means your participation in worshiping other Gods rather you realize it or not! I would suggest if your really serious about finding out the truth about the spiritual implications of this practice, get wisdom from someone whose not as passionate and emotionally invested in the practice, many times our own passions can blind us from the truth!!!
Praying whoever is seeking truth, finds it, Amen!
Thank you
very important praise God 😊❤❤❤
The problem with MA is it's connection to religions. God is a jealous God, you must not have other gods before me. 1st commandment. That's idolatry.
Wrestling, brazilian jiu jitsu, kickboxing, and MMA, generally have 0 religious connection. they have no spiritual connections or anything like that. they’re purely sports and martial arts.
@@Rkosin bjj is comes from jiu jitsu and judo of japan, kickboxing is a mixture of muay thai, karate, and boxing. Only boxing and wrestling are completely devoid of asian spiriutal connections.
American Ninja 2 was my jam growing up.
Also, this segment should have ended with Jeff saying "...and always remember, re-stomp the groin."
Ha ha ha! Master Ken is the best!
We are warriors in Christ wether we like it or not so better get good at it
Hey Jeff! I was practicing Wing Chun back 2003/04 and my Sifu incorporated Qi Gong meditation. In 2004 I was in a near fatal car accident where a lady found me and pleaded God's mercy over me. Which was my Saul to Paul conversation moment that brought me back to Christ. I don't practice Qi Gong and haven't since 2004. Altho, I do still have the EXPLOSIVE energy that comes from my bodily energy which I attribute to God being the source. Do you see anything wrong with that?
You’ve rebuked the sin, repented, and now glorify Christ. That is all God asks from us. Being a new creation doesn’t mean you have to literally forget your past but rather use it for your witness moving forward. Based on your post you seem just fine but pray on it, search the scriptures and bring everything to God if your spirit isn’t settled.
@@sharplikecheddar2 Thank you for the response! Bless you
Look where the occult led hittler. Proverbs 4-23 keep your mind with all diligence for out of it comes the issues of life.
Yes yes we should just like we should learn to shot guns 💪
Ok obviously self defence ks good, but what about for sport?
I love MMA and martial arts as a whole but I do agree there are aspects that should not be practiced or glorified.
I am very careful with what I allow my children to watch (or myself for that matter) however I do let them watch UFC and BJJ competitions. My thought is it's controlled and after the matches you see the respect aspect. I do acknowledge it's violent but I do not want my kids to be ignorant to the world and I am more afraid of raising weak children than exposing them to MMA. Some Christians disagree with me.
Your thoughts on letting them watch MMA?
I allow my kids to watch as well. I'm a huge fan of UFC and Bellator. I think it's important to consider that this is a voluntary engagement between consenting adults. I feel as though combat sports being as popular as they were in ancient Greece, likely would have been condemned by Paul, if they were indeed sinful to partake in. However, that is speculation on my part.
@@caseyfenton90 I’ve read a good deal about Ancient Greco-Roman fighting. Those were often under political and slave like conditions to quench societies thirst for violence and entertainment, especially when it was Christians vs animals.
I would concede that MMA in our culture could be a Segway to more violence and/or conditioning. Again my justification is I’m more concerned with the feminization of men and the assaults on my daughters that I see it as a counter balance and hope it will encourage them to do BJJ and such as a safety precaution. I know that in doing so it brings the respect, restraint, confidence, etc to their life but I’m willing to be convinced either way.
In any event I appreciate your response. Good to know there are other like minded Christians.
Would Jesus have gone to the collusem and enjoyed watching the sport of fighting? Of murder? Of senseless beating of one another? It's beating and bruising the temple of God isn't it?
Personally speaking it encourages violence and carnality. I don't think it could be justified any other way than appeasing to the flesh. The Spirit is loving one another, never laying a hand on another, and yes, though it's voluntary, it is worldly entertainment that also promotes anger, gambling, drinking, vanity and seeking pleasure from the world and not Word as two men try to kill one another.
Psalm 119
37Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things,
And revive me in Your way.
Isaiah 33
15He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly,
He who despises the gain of oppressions,
Who gestures with his hands, refusing bribes,
Who stops his ears from hearing of bloodshed,
And shuts his eyes from seeing evil:
16He will dwell on high;
His place of defense will be the fortress of rocks;
Bread will be given him,
His water will be sure.
Christians are supposed to turn away from the world, to stand out from the world, not conform to its patterns of pride and violence.
Would Christ sit with you and cheer on with you as you watch men beat themselves?
I get sucked in and watch it at times but I know it's my flesh that enjoys it and the Spirit it grieves.
You can teach your boys to defend themselves, to be strong. But as a Christian I would never encourage that through UFC or MMA. Train them yourself. There is better ways to teach them of the reality of the world. Perhaps a false equivalency but to teach them about sex/the reality of the world would you want them watching porn?
@@DylanIsArchAngel I think you’ve raised a lot of good points but my biggest objection would be you’ve mischaracterized what MMA is. It is not senseless beatings of each other and anyone who has actually trained or even watched the sport long enough knows that. Martial Arts is a vehicle that unlocks great human qualities and potential. Things like discipline, health, humility, perseverance, etc. Not only does it build those positive attributes but it eliminates negative attributes like pride, ego, bullying, etc BJJ in particular is not about hurting your opponent which is why you adhere to a tap system that can be activated well before you’re in any physical danger. Even on the street, BJJ is often used as a non lethal, docile way to subdue an attacker (blood chokes for example).
In secular terms, the people I’ve been around that practiced MMA are some of the very best I’ve known. Now none of this is to ever replace the gospel nor does a “moral secularist” have any leg up on a “immoral secularist” in the eyes of God but you get the idea.
I do like the litmus test of if Jesus was here would he …. But that’s a hard one. I mean one could make an argument he wouldn’t engage and comment on social media but I get your point and probably agree he wouldn’t sit and cheer UFC. BJJ and wrestling? Who knows.
Lastly, and this is my worldview coming in and perhaps not a great response, but I think back to all the warriors in scripture. Yes they were led by Gods hand but surely they put themselves in that position to be used. It’s likely, Samson for example, trained in combat. Now where are those strong men now? I look around and see weak men afraid to share anything but a watered down version of the gospel. I want to raise up men and woman, first and foremost spiritually strong, but also physically and mentally tough as well. To me MMA is that vehicle.
I’m open to ideas but in the age of everyone gets a trophy and a safe space…. MMA, BJJ, wrestling seems to be my best solution for a well rounded, face adversity head on, fear not, attitude to raise my kids with. Gospel first always, face controversy head on second. That’s my home.
@@sharplikecheddar2 @sharplikecheddar2 thanks for the response!
My main contention is with the organization of UFC itself where that itself promotes money, gambling etc. MMA as a practice is much like what you said; a great tool to build discipline, humility, strength and character. So I wouldn't have an issue with anyone learning it because as you say again, so many who do are good examples of well trained men in physicality and spiritual discipline.
It's again a great way for men to control that rage and be better equipped to handle situations of self defence and non-lethal like you said.
I agree again that we look around and see weak men; both in heart and flesh and MMA is a vechile to grow in for that. So glad to hear your views on the watered down gospel so many have succumbed to because of the fragile mentality this society has seemingly crafted and encouraged.
I especially appreciate your final paragraph there and it's a joy to hear from a parent in Christ with such strong values; praise God and may He bless you and your family through Christ to abound in all spiritual blessings ❤
I hope this helps my personal opinion be understood clearer; the practice of MMA is different to watching the UFC and other organisations which through advertisement, social media and the characters they hire/emphasize promote the antichrist qualities mentioned earlier. It is good to be equipped to handle adversity in this life, to be strong and disciplined, I personally wouldn't watch or subscribe to UFC though for entertainment due to its culture.
Ya You're right.. there's hardcore christians that throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak and just paint it all with a wide brush
Glad you explained it for those that shy away from an important topic in the Art of Defending ourselves and others
I did taekwondo as a kid, but spent a lot more energy in gymnastics. Loved them both. So as I got older I wanted to get my son involved in body mechanics, I chose capoeira for overall body awareness and most fun. Enrolled a year for the discount, shortly after I learned capoeira is highly meshed with voodoo and the occult, praying to false gods.
A lot of pagan elements. Gospel message was is very offensive to many.
So much of it is ancestry worship. Had a guilty conscience about it all, to compensate for the guilt I talked about Christ. It's an amazing exercise though. And for those who become acrobatic enough, the kicks are brutal
Our calendars today are of pagan origin are of pagan origin.
@@lightningsamurai4134 True. But what are you suggesting???
@@parkerbarefoot4255 That Yoga, Tai Chi, Capoeira and all that aren't bad, it's how you practice and intent
Thank you for posting this. U have no Idea
Offcourse not. Just like they shouldn’t go to war. Love your neighbour and turn the other cheek.
I agree somewhat. But if your a father and someone is attacking your child your telling me your going to stand and watch. I think that self defence depends on various situations but I don’t think we should be like willing fight others like that.
Have you ever read the Bible? 😂
If you're not neutered with a lack of knowledge or yolked with false religion God can absolutely put you above the best occultist fighter. Feminism and pacifism have set us back SO far. One of the false things I was taught as a child is that Christians are basically ordered to live beneath and as a lower caste than the world. That is dead wrong. If Christians are called to follow the laws and statutes of their nations then as Americans (not roman slaves) you are called to defend this land with the most extreme force if necessary. But growing up Christians to me were like Dante Hicks in clerks, Ever backing down. Shame and disgrace.
Christ himself said buy a sword. If you can't afford one, sell the cloak off your back
Not only should Christians practice MMA, they should be proficient.
*Similar with Yoga*
I have a cousin that is a sensei.. he has his own school.. I often wondered this!! Thanks for enlightening
But sometimes people die in boxing matches and even MMA matches, are Christians still allowed to take part in these competitions?? Ppl have also died even in. Just a hard sparring session after being rocked once or twice
According to Ramsey Dewey who has fought an actual competent Tai Chi master, true Tai Chi is really a form of grappling.
He said that those combat systems don't have occult integration in them. I disagree, muay thai is filled with demonic activity. Oceania champion witnessed demonic activity due to muay thai. Also wing chun, I did that for a few years and grateful that God got me out of it because it had remote viewing. I also did Judo for a season and there's alot of bowing while on your knees to the tutors, to pictures on the wall to flags etc. Had someone pray in my house and sensed a dark presence at the bottom of my wardrobe. He opened it up and saw that at the bottom of my wardrobe were my judo gi and BJJ gi. I did BJJ for many years, not as much spiritual stuff there, but still bowed before getting on the mat and bow before coaches at times. I did boxing for many years, probably the most detached from the spiritual world. Probably because it's a western sport, however, it probably has it's evil roots as well.
In conclusion, learn to box and wrestle. Don't watch MMA or combat sport anymore because it's not good to watch people bash each other's brains and cripple God's creation.
yes, why not?
king David, beheaded Goliath, David carried Goliath's severe head all the way to Jerusalem (not sure why) and he kept Goliath's weapon in his tent.
Then Saul sent Abner to find and bring forth David to him , Abner found David and he brought him to Saul and, here David still carrying Goliath's head. (not sure why still carrying Goliath's head in fact he violated the Levitical law of not touching blood and the dead)
They could touch the dead. They would have had to touch them to dispose of them. I can't remember what the specifics were for after touching the dead, but there were cleansing protocols for things like that. For example, if a man and wife had sex they were to wash themselves with water afterward and be unclean until morning.
Can you show me that levitical law plz?
We gotta remember Simon was a zealot David had a great love for god but he was a warrior and then there’s Samson but we need to learn how to control ourselves
There's a local martial arts studio near me named "Agape Martial Arts." I thought that might be an unfortunate choice of names. The first thing I thought of was, nothing speaks of God's love like kicking someone's butt. (*sarcasm*)
Yes is the answer to the question.
That is easy to answer ,abraham took some men to defend his cousin I'm pretty sure the men were not train in planting flowers ,the son of god
Said himself that if need be thousands of angels would come to his aid,samson with the approval of God killed a 1000 philistine
Men ,so yes you can surely defend yourself .
It's always a good idea to practice. :D
I did Judo as a kid and I don't remember any eastern philosophy brought into it. It was pure pragmatic training. Warmups + practicing of judo techniques and occasionally competition. I learned disciplin, great warmup exercises, induction of joint liquid by repeatedly squeezing your fists and body coordination.
I'm thinking of getting into Kickboxing or boxing. I have been thinking about it for a while. Should I get into them?
Yes but I’m not sure competing glorifies God but yes training and technical sparring in order to learn the craft of boxing and kickboxing is good
God doesn't want someone hurting your family while you stand their turning the other cheek. Sure, if a guy who clearly can't punch hits you, don't lay him out.
09:45 - I think Krav Maga is in that group as well.
I really think martial arts are okay if you practice for sport fun self improvement and self-defense and there are tons of Christian martial artists
I've always been curious about the symbol on the wall, I have to say it, it looks like satanic symbol to me, what's the meaning of it?
What you mean Tai Chi is garbage? Tai Chi means grand ultimate fist. Once master is unstoppable.
Give me a known example of a military or police officer who used martial arts in a valid situation.
Lol. So glad I don’t have to run my decision to practice martial arts by a pastor.
Remote viewing is not divination because many people who remote view are people who were born with that ability
Would Jesus be busy making stuff? Or “breaking stuff”?
You have to be careful being a Christian that your not of the world would the Lord protect you with his angel....
I think we should do martial arts but we shouldn't do things that warship other religions so it is okay to do karate but not okay to do parts of karate that warship other religions
That is easy to answer the scripture tells us with this example that abraham had a army to rescue his nephew lot genesis 13,14 ...14,14........318 men trained to fight not give roses .so it is ok to train, as long as you don't use it for evil I would say ,with a certain logik
I love this. Just clicked off a video that didtwo things I cannot stand. Firstly, it claimed that we should not learn any martial arts and secondly (and more importantly, it disabled comments! Why would anyone disable comments unless they cannot deal with criticism (reality)
I shake my head at that 🤷♀️
I’m curious what are some Christian thoughts on training martial arts in a gym/dojo that offers something like Tai Chi. There is a Kung Fu dojo near me that offers sanda classes (Chinese kickboxing) which I would be interested in learning, but they also offer other classes like Tai Chi. Is it wrong to even train at a place like that even if I wouldn’t be doing Tai Chi?
Yes.
JW's are the only ones who obey YHWH in Psalm 11:5
What are your thoughts about Kendo? I'm a Christian and also practicing Kendo for the last year and have no such impression, but it would be interesting your point of view on that.
depends if your sports kendo has meditation and rituals.
Be wary of eastern styles because they're tied to eastern spirituality. European arts like Boxing, Wrestling, Savate, HEMA, and possibly systema I've never come across any christians saying they had demonic experiences with those.
Technically, The Ancient Israelite soldiers should of had there own martial arts styles. When you read what king david and his mighty warriors were capable of in the old testament they were basically superhuman even compared to UFC fighters. Wish their style had been preserved
Of course they should, they have been practicing martial arts for thousands of years. In England one of the earliest known fighting arts was documented in the 11th century. The crusades, the knightly arts, and peasant martial arts. They still exist in England today.
3 examples;
1) Raul Reece, Paster and Kung fu Master.
2) George Forman Pastor and champion boxer.
3) Evander Holyfield, champion boxer and Christian
I'm a conservative christian and martial artist. Served in the Military also. DO NOT CALL TAI CHI a garbage martial art!!!!! Tai Chi is a high level martial art which is great for health and mental wellness. Christians should not be focused on combat so much in the martial arts, that only puts us in a violent mindset.
Filipino Martial Arts are great also. Many Filipinos martial artists are Christians. Filipino Martial arts focus on weapons first also, which is great for most types of people, especially children and women since weapons do not require as much strength. FMA also does have empty hand fighting, wrestling, grappling, and many take downs and joint locks that are useful for military and law enforcement.
Thank you so much for this clarity. As a new Christian I have been struggling with this issue dealing with my training of the Martial Arts and various combat systems for over 20 years and I pretty much told God that I would give it to him to give me clarity on this issue and here I am at this video. As a Combat Veteran of OIF, martial arts has been a big component of my life and I feel that outside of the combat applications, it has various other benefits dealing with health, mental spiritual and obviously physical.
Precisely define occultism. Precisely define divination. Precisely define chi. Precisely define Taoism. Precisely define their use in martial arts. After that, compare & contrast those definitions with bible verses that address them directly as being evil.
Jeff, you are an apologist with knowledge of philosophy and debate. Please treat this topic accordingly because this video clip, at least, just sounds fear mongering superstitions.
Neuteredness is not the way the truth and the life.
I was about to go take some ninja lessons and now its all gone... Thanks to this video... No more ninjutsu for me... I don't wanna go against God
Remote Viewing... reminds me of that Ninja Dork in UFC 1 or 2, who rushed his opponent and ended up getting a savage beat down... haha
Ninjutsu is an 80's movie based martial art. Hatsumi sensei was a better marketer than a sensei. It's full of useful stuff but also packed full of nonsense.
Christian monks practiced martial arts prior to the crusades and after the crusades. Leave the debates to the posers and leave the fighting the actual warfighters.
Forgiveness is Devine ; But never pay full price for late pizza . - Michelangelo ninja turtles
How do you "turn the other cheek " if someone hits you though and what if some random stranger demands you walk a mile with them when Jesus commanded us to walk two miles with them and give them all our clothes if they sue us for our shirt??
I mean the same can be said for body building or workouts in general, do you do it to hurt , or for a last resort or love of the sport and health of the flesh, not the sin
Much of Tai Chi Chuan is misunderstood because as you pointed out, combat applications versus a form of "power building". Often, chinese jacket wrestling, Shuai Jiao will have a Tai Chi Chuan part of the curriculum because Tai Chi, as an American prison boxer put it, is what we think of as a wrestling style, not boxing style. I absolutely know, much of that milieu is about building "power", and such an art should be observed by Christians in cirumspection because there are Chinese, Christian converts, of multiple generations that train the style. Sorcery, this term came up when I was more active in such training.
Psalm 82:3
Give justice to the weak and the fatherless, maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
Isaiah 1:17
learn to do good, seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:28 KJV
Jesus lives
Jesus Christ is Lord
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:23 KJV
Jesus loves you repent
You're a sinner in need of a Savior
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
Absolutely Christians should do martial arts I do kickboxing and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and I love it. The idea that Christians should be passive is ridiculous!!!!!!
Obviously needed
There is a gung fu sifu in Malaysia who is Christian and requires his students to read the Bible for about 30 minutes to an hour before training.I do a gung fu style named Fut Ga Kuen which is very similar to Wing Chun, but more mobile.I do salute my Sifu, but stay away from bowing to the alters.I do stay away from lion dancing as well.I don't exert chi or any of the breathing exercises.I to be as careful as possible when I train.I would appreciate advice and prayers.
But muay Thai does have a traditional ritual before they fight which could be bad.
Hey brothers, grace be to you. I love this channel and your work, praise the Lord. I’ve learned much from you. As a fellow believer in Jesus, I would like to encourage you in love to cover up your arm tattoos. I understand that they are permanent and you probably got them in your lost life, but those in the ministry are held to a much higher standard and will receive the greater condemnation (James 3:1). Tattoos are clearly spoken against in Leviticus 19:28. I say this not to condemn you, but to encourage you to meet that standard of holiness that is expected of ministers of the word of God. The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you, amen!
My man if your talking about Leviticus 19 you better also read 19:27 and never cut your beard or hair. I think there are good arguments against tattoos in the Bible but you can't use the mosaic law for that. God bless
@@TJ-gp6ut you think God digs tattoos? Scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness. The law points us to God’s perfect standard. I don’t think tattoos scream “born again”. There are things that nature tells us (I.e. long hair on men is a shame).
@@TJ-gp6ut it’s not about keeping the law; it’s about not causing the brethren to stumble.
@@reykaisertvThat's not nature that's a societal standard that was made up. That's nurture. Tell Samson that long hair is a shame. How is long hair on a man, a shame? Because abunch of conservatives said so?
As TJ said, should you never cut your beard then?
Short answer yes: you don't have to practice daosim taoism or worship some gurus dead ancestor to be the absolute best fighter.
I'm sure king David knew some sort of martial arts.
9:48 he names the martial arts without ties to eastern/ univeral spiritualism
Im a Strong Believer in Jesus Christ and Ive Been Training in Martial Arts Since 1975 .
What about shaolin kung fu?
Animal spirits inspire them. Tiger, snake, crane. E.t.c.
If Jesus gave command to arm his disciples to defend themselves, I think it's okay to know how to throw hands.
So if there are so many spiritual dangers about martial arts, doesnt that show you not to practise it..?????
Practicing qigong is on the same level as tattooing the body. Right?
Whats wrong with meditation on awareness and expanding it?
I would suggest you do a MA that aligns with your own religion.
Jeff which turtle were you?? I’m gonna go back and watch!
Jesus loves you
John 3:16
John 14:6
Seems like it ended in the middle of a sentence
The full episode is uploaded on the apologia channel. If i remember correctly the episode was titled something like “Cultish: Ninjitsu and Martial Arts”
@@ogloc6308 thank you!
Amen brothers, I have trained in Bujinkan budo taijutsu ,aka Ninjutsu for 25yrs + and the real essense of Ninjutsu is the art of feeling, sensing, when there is danger etc, when to physically defend oneself, family,those in need ,and when to evade,defuse etc. God first always
I also train in Bujinkan, do you see it as spiritual?
Side question off topic:
Does anyone know if Jeff Durbin will be hosting an online forum for Ash Wednesday? I would love to get in on this from home after work. Thank you 🙏🏻
I do jujitsu and I’m Christian
From a Christian perspective, what are your thoughts on preemptive striking? For example, an aggressor hasn't swung first, but they have made it very clear tat they want to hurt you and/or their body language indicates that they are about to go, and you go first?
Its definitely very tricky in my opinion but yes! If someone is literally threatening the lives that were made in God's image you literally have a God given right to defend that life 🙏. If you make a mistake you talk to God about it later 💯. In my opinion if you know they are just trying to intimate you and are not really gonna do anything I think God will give you the discernment to figure out if this person is a real threat that you have to take care of or if its someone that just wants to scare you with their intent.