I love the aluminum pilot house designs of Steve Dashew. Most of his career they were sailboats and in the latter chapter of his boat building he switched to the amazing FPB ocean going power boats which proved perfect for global cruising, including high latitudes.
The pilot house on my Boréal is second to none! Fabulous... incredibly fabulous. Way better than a down below steering station. Aluminum? Fabulous... lifting keel (as you already know) fabulous... I'd love to hear your critique (privately if necessary of the Boréal) because now that we have sailed her 7000 miles there are things I would change but not much.... mostly inside stuff.... she sails SO nicely on all points.
You guy's (yes including Paul2 and Paul3) have a great talent in making interesting and entertaining videos. Looking forward to the development of the new boat.
I have a whole shipyard of ideas in sketchup too! Thanks for sharing this process and all of your knowledge from experience. You both have some great insights.
Hi it's your buddy Captain Cooke... I'm so happy for you on your new building adventure.. May you have a happy and prosperous New Year. God bless you both and your families...
Hi Sheryl and Paul, just watched your video, nice! We actually met a few years ago in Holland in the small marina at Schiermonnikoog. You interviewed us in our traditional dutch boat with leeboards. The interview appeared in your TV show of that season for which you send us a copy, thanks for that. Back to the topic. We still sail and enjoy our traditional dutch flatbottomed boat. But we are looking at a boat suitable for long distance cruising probably going north (Norway, Baltic Sea, Lofoten, Svalbard). We looked at the Bestevaer range from KMY. But I keep thinking of designing and partly building my own aluminium boat. So I designed an alu boat with a doghouse and drop keel. The hull I developed in Delftship, the rest of the designwork was done in Sketchup. I still need some work done, like weight study and scantlings but first we have to find a builder. see link to images: drive.google.com/file/d/1vdy5Ea9q6g927xbwnsxvPDdr-8HqSRjt/view?usp=sharing drive.google.com/file/d/11yRku1yJVDUIydal_LrFchztfXmInyvD/view?usp=sharing. Do you need any help with your design work in Sketchup? I'm glad to help. Michiel Bonke
I advice you to change into Rhinoceros, it has build in weight calculation. Sail balance and weight study is really important to take with you from the start. I'd say start compartimentalising your ship and estimate the weight and centre's of gravity. Then you need to look at your hull, whether it has sufficient volume to counter the weights and look at the balance of the combined centre of gravity. With the sailbalance, you may find you have to move your keel forward or backward. Two things stand out to me in the picture. I wonder if there is ennough volume for the weight for the hull. Did you take this into account in delftship? So yes what is your estimated weight? Two, your propellor is at quite an angle. Combined with the fact that there is no rudder behind it, it will perform badly when sailing backwards. Expect a massive wheel effect and barely any manouverability backwards. Another thing to take into account is the high freeboard combined with the low lateral underwater surface. The wind will be a big factor of where your boat will move to in harbours. I could point you to some of the theory and tricks to pick up on the weight study and balance stuff.
@@AartJanPrins I' aware of the things you mention. The design is still in progress. Delftship does weight calculation centres of gravity, buoyancy etc. Displacement in lightship condition is 13.100 kg. I know about the prop issue, but haven't found an proper solution yet. Freeboard height is chosen to have enough interior volume. Tips and tricks are always welcome.
I was gonna say like their last vessel, after they took delivery it would not measure up to Garcia...I figure it will be the same this time...unless they get a Garcia because Garcia has the best shallow draft without reducing righting moment, best pilothouse without all of the wasted space of other pilothouse attempts, and no vessel will top the safety of their companionway doors.
Gracia Exploration 45 or 52 is what your looking for. Aluminum, centre board, great inside pilot station, built like a tank but sails well and looks great
i have to say they tick many boxes, but i think the helm position is not ideal for high latitude.... even if Amel are not aluminium i think an Amel 50 has a better/safer helm.
Long time Sketchup user. From a whole home, various professional home remodel jobs and additions to cabinets and other woodworking projects, Sketchup has been a great tool for quickly seeing things come to life. Probably the only downside, in my view, to Sketchup is that, while you the developer sees everything as just a work in progress, the typical viewer/customer seems to see a model on the screen or in printouts as a finished project that they either like or reject, which can be frustrating at times. I really like this type of video series that explores the behind the scenes thought process that goes into a design. Have you followed the Dashew's and their SetSail series? They are really good about explaining the why.
With 30+ years of cruising knowledge going into your design this will be a great series to watch. I really like the Garcia Exploration series of 45, 52, and 60 foot sailboats. They tick of some of your desired features especially for higher latitude sailing.
Well done. I appreciate that you specified "your type of cruising” so frequently, as so many other channels and ”experts” present their views as Gospel and the only truth (r rose). Being Dutch I highly recommend Dutch Yacht builders (they tend to speak better English then the others as well and are closer culturally making your million dollar project easier to realize).
Thanks, Randy. We really had fun filming this and wanted to come up with a way to go over the pros and cons of buying a new boat in an entertaining way.
The Garcia Exploration 45 or 52 come to mind. Jimmy Connors collaborated on the design with Garcia resulting from his experience of many circumnavigations and races. The Sailing Cloie TH-cam channel outfitted and modified a recent Exploration 45 for world cruising particularly in high latitudes. The Daschews built many yachts with safety and short handed sailing being very high priorities, themselves sailing 100k’s of miles. Rodger Taylor shared his experience of six high latitude expeditions which demonstrated the need for a light wind “ghosting” sail plan as well as the heavy weather storm sailing at certain latitudes. I guess you will have the benefit of examining many competent perspectives on your build. I’m interested in following your design decision making thought process because it will be the product of your 35 years+ of first hand ocean experience. Best wishes in being successful on your quest. 😎
Love your videos!Mostly Watch Them mostly on tv. So pilot house,aluminum hull,maintain shallow draft and time for a new boat!Looking what one could make passages less fatiguing for a crew of two ,I think you mentioned ,would also be very important. All Makes sense to me. Best of Luck!
That was a really great video, and I love how you use ‘all the guys’ to discuss the new boat. Interesting change and very understandable, who wouldn’t go for a strong Dutch built aluminium yacht!?
Great video & very funny as well! It is really inreresting hearing about your criteria and the design process. I guess this is going to take sometime to complete? We are totally with you on shoal draft yachts though, so much more to explore & occasionally get you out of jail! 🙃
Check out Kanter Marine in Ontario, they are aluminum and have several designs. They’ll start with their hull and the rest is customizable. For me if I could find a hybrid between the Kanter 66, the Garcia 60, and the Futuna 54. With twin screws that are electric drive with dedicated gensets for each screw that’d be amazing. With centerboard and twin rudders. I think the Futuna 54 pilot house layout is the best set up with a settie on starboard for of watch sleeping. Garcia’s proven robustness I high latitudes, but I don’t care for twin helms. Yet I like the elevated salon and simple things like bringing the anchor chain locker too the foot of the mast and the windlass in a closed compartment. As for the Kanter it seems their fit and finish is high quality, I like the ketch set up. I think I’d convert the exterior helm position to a multi positional tiller. What I mean by that is havin a tiller handle removable like on outremers, that can be indexed on top of the rudder stock to whatever position you want. Whether to helm from the center of the cockpit while handling running rigging or from either aft tack You happen to be on. When on anchor the tiller is stowed and it cleans up the entire cockpit. I’d only have two births and crew bunks. At least a third of the vessel dedicated to machinery house and shop. Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for the informative video. I was pleasantly surprised to see the island of Jersey, and st aubins harbour where I used to keep me small boat. Great video, brought a smile to my face.
I love the inclusion of the “twins”! They’re funny and it’s a great way to include different points of view. Still looking to come aboard soon with my wife as you and Sheryl explore the Pacific. Cheers from Stoney Lake!
I'm definitely will be watching closely. I love the idea of a aluminum boats. In love with the Onvi, Garcia, and Allures sail boats. Going completely custom seems like a ton of work. But if you do do go full on aluminum I will be watching regularly.
We have an Allures 45.9 aluminum hull with lifting keel. It is very similar to the Garcia Explorer. Based on our experience and those we know with these boats you should take a good look at them.
I think we have watched all the tv episodes. Uniformally great ! You havent had your current boat very long so there must be something you either dont like or really wish you had. I am going to guess you wish you had a had a pilot house and perhaps an aluminum hull. I suspect as everyone gets older only having two people for watches is absolutely exhausting and not really doable. Years ago I did a handful of Mackinac races and even for a mere 3 days it was terrible. Even with a new beautiful bride the best I could do upon reaching shore was immediately go to a coma like sleep. Thank you and good luck with your new boat!
We've had the boat for nearly 3 years, James, and have sailed over 20,000 nm with our Southerly 480, Distant Shores III, so are keen to build something new.
@@DistantShoresTV you're so lucky. I'm saving to get my own yacht. Until then I'll keep buying your vids (vimeo) for education and to live a virtual dream
I hope that you get a chance to look at the new Boreal 47.2, although I have not seen it in person the design appeals to me. I like the idea of the scoop transom with storage and twin wheels. I would however want to transform one of the aft cabins into a combo workshop and crew cabin. Happy Holidays and stay safe!
The Boreal 47.2 no longer has a sugar scoop transom but they are now turning one of the aft cabins into a utility room/workshop (with single bunk) if requested.
I love your videos - they're not just escapist but very practical in making a distant hazy dreams a more realistic and informed consideration. Not that I have a plan to buy a boat in the immediate future, nonetheless I've found myself asking many of the questions you posed in this excellent video (thank you). I've been drawn to Garcia aluminum boats with their swing keel, probably the 52 over the 45 and the boat your currently own Distant Shores III - the Discovery 48S. However I'm now a little concerned about the ideal seeming Discovery 48S because you're moving on so quickly - whereas you had your previous boats for at least a decade apiece. Do you regret the decision to buy her? Does she represent the culmination of your past experiences and boat decisions - that you now realize you've moved on from to seeking different sailing adventures that she's less well suited for? Is it a question of turning a page on a new chapter of sailing experiences altogether - high latitudes (Alaska etc...), Northern Europe (circumnavigation of the UK and the Baltics etc...) but still being able to get close to shore in the Caribbean and Pacific Islands? Does it boil down to pilot house steering (I went on a trip in a Garcia 45 and really liked that aspect of the boat as well as the inward sloping window which made visibility better). We didn't have much wind so I can't speak to speed. Is Distant Shores III also not fast enough compared to your last boat? Fascinated to hear more about your thought process - hopefully in a future videos. Again thank you for your life changing videos which helped me through the pandemic and took me back to my childhood - when it was considered character forming to make a kid sand hulls and paint anti fouling in Lymington and Villefrance.
My wife and I are new to watching your videos. We are looking to retire in the next two years and have decided to do so on a on blue water cruiser. The bad part is we have no sailing experience. With that being said I do have a lot of boating experience, all in motorized boats. We currently have a 70 foot houseboat that we take out every weekend. We are starting the process of pooling our assets together (including selling our houseboat) and working on learning as much as i can about sailing. Are goal is mostly to sail around the Caribbean Bahama's , USVI, BVI and go from there. We are both in our early sixty's and wonder if we are crazy for wanting to do this? Both are in good health and good shape......
Not at all, Fred! Many of the cruisers we meet didn't start sailing until they had retired. You are ahead in that you have owned a boat and know how to navigate. You might consider joining the Distant Shores Cruising Club to get your questions answered and find a supportive community. We'd love to help you with your new plans. www.patreon.com/distantshorestv
This is going to be an excellent series. Cant wait. I hope you will be speaking to the Stephen Jones and Rob Humphreys Teams, dessigners of your prior yachts?? They might already be thinking in your direction...
i Wonder what your opinion is on the Boreal 47. I love the layout of the yacht and the protected Pilot house. The other yacht was the Orion 49 Explorer. The Garcia Exploration 45 is on the top of my list but way out of my Budget. Excited to see what you finally sign off on. Merry xams. xx
I think it's exciting to follow your plans for Distant Shores IV. I have a suggestion, though. Sell Distant Shores III to one or both of those guys who look a lot like Paul. : - )
This is just great to see you guys doing the same that I do right now. I’m designing a 50 footer for self build and it has some of the same features you prefer. The shallow draft is one thing I have really thought. There’s many compromises to do when lowering the draft in terms of ballast and stability. You can check my videos if you’re interested to comment some of the ideas. (I do 3D modeling as well - not with sketchup but with other tools.)
Besides ballast and stability, with an adjustable draft keel, you also have a suvere effect on the sailing propertys, and it will have a huge impact in how much you need to correct with your rudder during sailing and gusts of wind...
What are your thoughts on the Garcia exploration 45? It has a lot going for it, an aluminum hull, centerboard that allows it to draught only 1.1 meter, it has a pilothouse,70 millimeters of insulation for the interior(it's like living in a big sleeping bag), a very nice interior layout and while she won't be amazing in terms of performance, she's not slow🦥🦥
Leave it to a guy from Ontariarario to get the triumvirate out to discuss past sailing adventures, well done sir. Looking forward to future videos on your new home. Happy holidays, stay safe and healthy. :-)
Hi Distant Shores, @8:30 you put a call out for a sketchup modeller... is that still the case? (Im interested, for the reason that our venn diagrams are very overlapping). John
Hello, I watched your video on designs you are looking at with possible mods. With regard to the Berk- Myer design you had in sketch up, I would comment that as a lifting Keel ( ostensively a weighted Daggerboard) such a design does not provide for SAFETY on impact and I do realize that at KM 's plant you were shown a extremely thick plate to take the shock.....however ,surprisingly the owner of the facility did not acknowledge the rotational leverage shock imposed on the standing rig!) When designing in Sketch up without the mast moment you miss out on the FEA moment loads. In the other yacht it showed a centerboard Keel which does not provide for the movement of the Center of Effort and effect on the helm moving aft. Additionally, there is the large open slot to detract from the hydrodynamic flow has a nominal load point and a single Pivot pin ( typically needing to be serviced from under the water line.) There also is the lifting capable inducing drag ( noted it could be hydraulic). Conversely, to the large slot of the center board ( or centerboard /keel) there still remains the fitted profile of a lifting keel or a weighted daggerboard both which should have a crush box to negate the shock of impact. I would like to apprise you to the benefits of SCABBOARDS : which maintain the slot of a dagger board but unlike same ROTATE upon contact with flotsum or submerged reefs & or running up on beaches. SCABBOARDs do not have to project beyond the keel line but can Be incorporated into a keel section. SCANBOARDs can be serviced above deck as well as removed above deck! I sincerely hope I can engage you in a conversation about appendages as well as your other specific design needs. Sincerely Norman at Njsea7@gmail.com
@@DistantShoresTV I do not watch TV that much that I have ever caught your show not have I had experience on your Current TH-cam. However I am interested in currently where you are in your effort to build your new yacht are you in the designing stage have you made a decision as you stated you're going with a lifting keel is it possible if you if you're not too far along that I might speak to you about the design of same a lifting keel does not think for you you have to lift it inadequate time if there is pending Danger I would like to present to you and Alternate that would fit Within the same relative circumstance and space and yet be automatic that is self tending please if you are not too far along contact me at NJ sea 7 at gmail.com Norman cook
Garcia Yachts seems to have most of the features that you are looking for and they have a great history of cruising in the northernmost latitudes which is an area that you sated was of interest to the two of you.
Paul, have you checked out Garcia Yachts? They do custom builds. The 45' Explorer is basically Jimmy Cornell's design and input given a rave review by Paul Goss. With a pedigree like that, how can you miss?
We are especially fond of the Garcia 52 but it still lacks features we'd like so this time we're going for a custom build. We started cruising by building our own boat and, although the Southerly Yachts we've owned over the years have been great boats, there were always features we wanted that we couldn't get. Thanks for your input.
Thank you for your prompt response. May I inquire the type of boat and the SPICIFIC design of Cebterboard. I ask this as most all Centerboards are a single pivot pin and require service by going on the hard in a board yard. Additionally, the center of effort moves aft as it pivots in an arch radially. This also candles the cross section of the foil ( basically canceling the shape) I so much want to introduce you to the benefits of a SCABBOARD and the SAFETY factor offered. The fact that a SCABBOARD not only is self tending but it can be withdrawn to any percentage of exposure without losing its foil shape nor moving the center or effort aft effecting the helm balance. I would love to be able to E mail you more specific details about this and various other parameters. As sailor for the last 60 years , as well as, a master sail maker and Marine Design Engineer, who has taught as a Professor of Advanced Construction I would wish I could have a one on one meeting to share insight to the many advances in Marine Construction prior to your final boat design commitment. Hopefully you will share your E mail Sincerely Norman Cook Narragansett, RI 02882 Njsea7@gmail .com
@@DistantShoresTV Im curious how does that workout pricewise, I guess it adds to the price to go custom right? How much % would that add to the building costs comparable to e.g. a similar Garcia?
@@predator1739 Titanium is one of the most expensive materials to make hulls of, it does also come with a lot of complications. The russians back in the cold war era made a titanium ship, if you have an afternoon spare and are looking for an interesting read and watch, look it up...
@@AartJanPrins Titanium alloy is just a relatively expensive material. Its cost should be concentrated in the processing stage, right? I'm not so sure. As a hobby, I can easily buy small titanium alloy plates from online shopping platforms, and DIY small things I like, such as mouse pads and personalized nameplates attached to the keychain. Many commodities are relatively cheap in their place of origin. For example, Shanxi Province in China is an industrial base for massive mining and refining of titanium alloys. I'm just a mere hobbyist and I don't have very good research. Hope to see more applications of titanium alloys on sailing yachts!
What actually makes you want a new boat? What is it that you don't like about this one? Have you looked at Garcia Exploration 45,it seems to tick many of your list items
@@towhitby1 The Rapido 40 is insanely fast for its size : polars show 25 knots in 20 knots True Wind Speed ! Happy to see they are acutally produced and sold . It's difficult to find anything else than renders of both the 40 and 50 . No real pics or videos .
Bonjour Paul, I am like you looking to built a custom made aluminium boat and to get ideas you should go to see a design called Marine blue made by Brouns and also few designs made by the naval architect Vincent Lebailly. Both designers are in France. Amitiés Alain.
Hey Paul & Cheryl, Being Ontarians you are no doubt familiar with Kanter yachts, you did not mention them as a potential builder, what is it that would prevent you from considering them as your builder? They're literally in your backyard....and accept Canadian dollars at par😊.
If one can't afford a new cat or monohull. What about Prout or Gemini Catamarans? I was told they take up the normal beam of a regular sailboat. Is this all wet? Happy Trails
We have several friends who have cruised the world on a Prout or Gemini catamaran which they prepared well for long-distance cruising and they do have the normal beam of a regular sailboat.
Did you ever suggest a Sirius DS40. If I had the money I would look out for a boat like that. But okay, you already had a 49er. You won't probably step back to 40
I stumbled upon Sirius Werft by chance and I do believe they have 50 feet in that 40 foot boat. I can't look at other sailboats in the same way anymore. While their website shows layouts for 2 to 6 berths, they say there are 14 possible layouts and all customizable. I think they tick off a lot of boxes mentioned in this video. Here's their video: th-cam.com/video/MQgRIVw-kPg/w-d-xo.html
Rather than sketchup I advice to use Rhinoceros. It allowes for more detailed drawings and as an added bonus is a standart in the maritime industry. Start playing with the demo of it. As a naval architect I must ask, are you planning to have the ship freeze in? that will give more challenges aswel on isolation as taking in the expansion of freezing water...
Hi Aart, Thanks for your questions and recommendation for Rhinoceros as a drawing tool. We will definitely check it out. No we don't plan to freeze the boat in but it something to consider in the design.
@@DistantShoresTV I would advice to go with only 1 seachest, so only one bluewater in and out take or minimise it to two. Aswell as bring them up above the waterline before adding a manifold, and a cofferdam around them. For the engine I am thinking of hull cooling, (using the hull as a heat exchanger) this way eliminating points of leaks/failures. Downside of one seachest is that your brownwater and blackwater could mix with your blue water intake, so it would require flushing or a seperate intake and outake seachest. Above waterline outakes may also be a concideration.
I realize you have thousands of followers and the effort of producing your show ( even with support staff ) is daunting. However , since your last response stating "you are going to have a lifting keel" I thought you could find the time to educate yourself to the comparative safety and performance difference between a dagger board type design as you had shown in SKETCH UP and the advantages of a self tending & fully adjustable SCABBOARD. The advantage of a SCABBOARD is it takes up just a nominal increase in the top if the trunk but in trade it does not require a crash box not the thickened exit plate to take the crash shock ( transferring the shock in a radial forward moment to the standing rigging) instead, SCABBOARD pivots and simultaneously lifts up & out of hard way ( without damage to the rigging , hull , or board). Over the many Century of sailboat history there have been only three basic appedages for election: keels , daggerboards& centerboards ( or some variant) but now there is a 4th option. Prior to your construction let's have a design conversation. Looking forward to your time Sincerely
Thanks for your comment. Sorry if it wasn't clear in the video but we are not seriously considering a vertical lifting daggerboard for the new boat. As you say a daggerboard style has high shock loads if accidentally grounded. For us one of the main reasons for wanting a shallow draft sailboat is to explore the shallow areas. That's why we have had a swing-keel on 3 different boats. We are planning to have a version of swing keel on the next one too! Cheers Paul
Are you considering rigs other than Bermudan? Self standing masts might allow quicker & easier transition to canal mode, and heretical choices like junk rigs allow easy and rapid reefing, which increases safety. Check out Red Dog Sailing for an interesting set of choices.
Interesting video, like all your videos. I am really looking forward to the final result. Even though our boat is a Beneteau Oceanis 40 which is located in the Chesapeake Bay, we always looked at boats with shallow draft options. Also, due to well-known reasons, we would choose aluminum if we could. I am sure you know that the new Pelagic 77' (Skip Novak) is currently built at K&M, they are excellent boat builders, and we have considered them at one point during our boat buying process. We also have considered Boreal and Alubat. It is probably internationally not really well known, but an excellent aluminum boat builder is the boatyard Benjamins in northern Germany (www.aluminium-yachten.de) and they work together Berkemeyer naval architect (www.berckemeyer-yacht.de/) which created some interesting designs. NO, I do not have any affiliation with either of them. Again, we are curious about what you as very experienced cruisers will choose at the end.
With all your knowledge, this series is going to be super interesting to follow. ;)
Thanks so much, Jorge!
I love the aluminum pilot house designs of Steve Dashew. Most of his career they were sailboats and in the latter chapter of his boat building he switched to the amazing FPB ocean going power boats which proved perfect for global cruising, including high latitudes.
This was probably one of the best and extremely enjoyable videos I’ve watched about my and my wife wanting to buy our first boat
The pilot house on my Boréal is second to none! Fabulous... incredibly fabulous. Way better than a down below steering station. Aluminum? Fabulous... lifting keel (as you already know) fabulous... I'd love to hear your critique (privately if necessary of the Boréal) because now that we have sailed her 7000 miles there are things I would change but not much.... mostly inside stuff.... she sails SO nicely on all points.
A low draft aluminum sailboat with a large pilothouse : the ENDURO 54
You guy's (yes including Paul2 and Paul3) have a great talent in making interesting and entertaining videos. Looking forward to the development of the new boat.
I have a whole shipyard of ideas in sketchup too! Thanks for sharing this process and all of your knowledge from experience. You both have some great insights.
Loved it! We got a nice laugh from all three Paul's.
Hi it's your buddy Captain Cooke...
I'm so happy for you on your new building adventure..
May you have a happy and prosperous New Year.
God bless you both and your families...
You are the guys that started this genre and my dreams, thank you so much
OMG! Hilarious! What a great video. I'm looking forward to seeing how your new build progresses.
Packed with loads of useful information for the layman. Thank you!
Hi Sheryl and Paul, just watched your video, nice!
We actually met a few years ago in Holland in the small marina at Schiermonnikoog. You interviewed us in our traditional dutch boat with leeboards. The interview appeared in your TV show of that season for which you send us a copy, thanks for that. Back to the topic. We still sail and enjoy our traditional dutch flatbottomed boat. But we are looking at a boat suitable for long distance cruising probably going north (Norway, Baltic Sea, Lofoten, Svalbard). We looked at the Bestevaer range from KMY. But I keep thinking of designing and partly building my own aluminium boat. So I designed an alu boat with a doghouse and drop keel. The hull I developed in Delftship, the rest of the designwork was done in Sketchup. I still need some work done, like weight study and scantlings but first we have to find a builder.
see link to images:
drive.google.com/file/d/1vdy5Ea9q6g927xbwnsxvPDdr-8HqSRjt/view?usp=sharing
drive.google.com/file/d/11yRku1yJVDUIydal_LrFchztfXmInyvD/view?usp=sharing.
Do you need any help with your design work in Sketchup? I'm glad to help.
Michiel Bonke
Hey you guys, so great to hear from you! We’d love to chat and hear more about your project. You can reach us through our website at
distantshores.ca/contact/contact.php out through FB at facebook.com/distantshorestv
I advice you to change into Rhinoceros, it has build in weight calculation. Sail balance and weight study is really important to take with you from the start. I'd say start compartimentalising your ship and estimate the weight and centre's of gravity. Then you need to look at your hull, whether it has sufficient volume to counter the weights and look at the balance of the combined centre of gravity. With the sailbalance, you may find you have to move your keel forward or backward.
Two things stand out to me in the picture. I wonder if there is ennough volume for the weight for the hull. Did you take this into account in delftship? So yes what is your estimated weight? Two, your propellor is at quite an angle. Combined with the fact that there is no rudder behind it, it will perform badly when sailing backwards. Expect a massive wheel effect and barely any manouverability backwards.
Another thing to take into account is the high freeboard combined with the low lateral underwater surface. The wind will be a big factor of where your boat will move to in harbours.
I could point you to some of the theory and tricks to pick up on the weight study and balance stuff.
@@AartJanPrins
I' aware of the things you mention. The design is still in progress. Delftship does weight calculation centres of gravity, buoyancy etc. Displacement in lightship condition is 13.100 kg. I know about the prop issue, but haven't found an proper solution yet. Freeboard height is chosen to have enough interior volume. Tips and tricks are always welcome.
Garcia boat in France seems to tick all the boxes
Garcia Exploration 45’
Exactly, even a cat would be available by Garcia now
I was gonna say like their last vessel, after they took delivery it would not measure up to Garcia...I figure it will be the same this time...unless they get a Garcia because Garcia has the best shallow draft without reducing righting moment, best pilothouse without all of the wasted space of other pilothouse attempts, and no vessel will top the safety of their companionway doors.
What ever you do Paul, don't listen to those other 2 guys in the video, they don't know what they are talking about 😅
This is immediately what came to mind although I think they would prefer the 52. Similarly the Boreal 55 seems like a kissing cousin to the Garcia..
Looking forward to seeing how your knowledge and experience are applied. Merry Christmas!
Thanks, Derk. Merry Christmas to you too! 🎄
Gracia Exploration 45 or 52 is what your looking for. Aluminum, centre board, great inside pilot station, built like a tank but sails well and looks great
i have to say they tick many boxes, but i think the helm position is not ideal for high latitude.... even if Amel are not aluminium i think an Amel 50 has a better/safer helm.
but KM yachts is also my absolute favorite when it comes to high latitude
I am looking forward to learn more about your design approach for your new cruising yacht.
Long time Sketchup user. From a whole home, various professional home remodel jobs and additions to cabinets and other woodworking projects, Sketchup has been a great tool for quickly seeing things come to life. Probably the only downside, in my view, to Sketchup is that, while you the developer sees everything as just a work in progress, the typical viewer/customer seems to see a model on the screen or in printouts as a finished project that they either like or reject, which can be frustrating at times. I really like this type of video series that explores the behind the scenes thought process that goes into a design. Have you followed the Dashew's and their SetSail series? They are really good about explaining the why.
Thanks for your comments on Sketchup, Barry. Yes we have followed the Dashews for years and have been inspired by their work.
With 30+ years of cruising knowledge going into your design this will be a great series to watch. I really like the Garcia Exploration series of 45, 52, and 60 foot sailboats. They tick of some of your desired features especially for higher latitude sailing.
All three of you are both interesting and entertaining. Excellent!
Well done. I appreciate that you specified "your type of cruising” so frequently, as so many other channels and ”experts” present their views as Gospel and the only truth (r rose). Being Dutch I highly recommend Dutch Yacht builders (they tend to speak better English then the others as well and are closer culturally making your million dollar project easier to realize).
Thanks for your comments.
I love the camera tricks. Very entertaining stuff.
Thanks, Randy. We really had fun filming this and wanted to come up with a way to go over the pros and cons of buying a new boat in an entertaining way.
The Garcia Exploration 45 or 52 come to mind. Jimmy Connors collaborated on the design with Garcia resulting from his experience of many circumnavigations and races. The Sailing Cloie TH-cam channel outfitted and modified a recent Exploration 45 for world cruising particularly in high latitudes. The Daschews built many yachts with safety and short handed sailing being very high priorities, themselves sailing 100k’s of miles.
Rodger Taylor shared his experience of six high latitude expeditions which demonstrated the need for a light wind “ghosting” sail plan as well as the heavy weather storm sailing at certain latitudes. I guess you will have the benefit of examining many competent perspectives on your build.
I’m interested in following your design decision making thought process because it will be the product of your 35 years+ of first hand ocean experience. Best wishes in being successful on your quest. 😎
Love your videos!Mostly Watch Them mostly on tv.
So pilot house,aluminum hull,maintain shallow draft and time for a new boat!Looking what one could make passages less fatiguing for a crew of two ,I think you mentioned ,would also be very important.
All Makes sense to me.
Best of Luck!
That was a really great video, and I love how you use ‘all the guys’ to discuss the new boat. Interesting change and very understandable, who wouldn’t go for a strong Dutch built aluminium yacht!?
I'm really looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
Great video & very funny as well! It is really inreresting hearing about your criteria and the design process. I guess this is going to take sometime to complete? We are totally with you on shoal draft yachts though, so much more to explore & occasionally get you out of jail! 🙃
I think garcia makes a great aluminum hull go anywhere sailboat ,cant wait to see the process
Yes we greatly admire Garcia Yachts.
Check out Kanter Marine in Ontario, they are aluminum and have several designs. They’ll start with their hull and the rest is customizable. For me if I could find a hybrid between the Kanter 66, the Garcia 60, and the Futuna 54. With twin screws that are electric drive with dedicated gensets for each screw that’d be amazing. With centerboard and twin rudders. I think the Futuna 54 pilot house layout is the best set up with a settie on starboard for of watch sleeping. Garcia’s proven robustness I high latitudes, but I don’t care for twin helms. Yet I like the elevated salon and simple things like bringing the anchor chain locker too the foot of the mast and the windlass in a closed compartment. As for the Kanter it seems their fit and finish is high quality, I like the ketch set up. I think I’d convert the exterior helm position to a multi positional tiller. What I mean by that is havin a tiller handle removable like on outremers, that can be indexed on top of the rudder stock to whatever position you want. Whether to helm from the center of the cockpit while handling running rigging or from either aft tack You happen to be on. When on anchor the tiller is stowed and it cleans up the entire cockpit. I’d only have two births and crew bunks. At least a third of the vessel dedicated to machinery house and shop. Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for the informative video. I was pleasantly surprised to see the island of Jersey, and st aubins harbour where I used to keep me small boat. Great video, brought a smile to my face.
I love all the multiple Pauls. I wish I could clone myself. I’d get so much more done.
I love the inclusion of the “twins”! They’re funny and it’s a great way to include different points of view. Still looking to come aboard soon with my wife as you and Sheryl explore the Pacific. Cheers from Stoney Lake!
I will watch with interest to see just how close your perfect vessel comes to the design briefs Steve Dashew gave us so many years ago.
Very cool. I am gonna love this series. Ever look at Kanter Marine’s boats. I love home grown stuff I guess.
Look forward to seeing more of your process.
I'm definitely will be watching closely. I love the idea of a aluminum boats. In love with the Onvi, Garcia, and Allures sail boats. Going completely custom seems like a ton of work. But if you do do go full on aluminum I will be watching regularly.
We have an Allures 45.9 aluminum hull with lifting keel. It is very similar to the Garcia Explorer. Based on our experience and those we know with these boats you should take a good look at them.
I think we have watched all the tv episodes.
Uniformally great !
You havent had your current boat very long so there must be something you either dont like or really wish you had.
I am going to guess you wish you had a had a pilot house and perhaps an aluminum hull.
I suspect as everyone gets older only having two people for watches is absolutely exhausting and not really doable.
Years ago I did a handful of Mackinac races and even for a mere 3 days it was terrible.
Even with a new beautiful bride the best I could do upon reaching shore was immediately go to a coma like sleep.
Thank you and good luck with your new boat!
This is going to be an awesome series! Thanks for sharing!
It feels like you just got DS3. Good luck. Keep the vids coming!
We've had the boat for nearly 3 years, James, and have sailed over 20,000 nm with our Southerly 480, Distant Shores III, so are keen to build something new.
@@DistantShoresTV you're so lucky. I'm saving to get my own yacht. Until then I'll keep buying your vids (vimeo) for education and to live a virtual dream
Fantastic video!!
This will be a very interesting series. Cheers, Victoria BC
A trip to The Grenadines? I lived on Carriacou and enjoyed Mayreau, Union and Bequia all are Amazing!
I hope that you get a chance to look at the new Boreal 47.2, although I have not seen it in person the design appeals to me. I like the idea of the scoop transom with storage and twin wheels. I would however want to transform one of the aft cabins into a combo workshop and crew cabin.
Happy Holidays and stay safe!
The Boreal 47.2 no longer has a sugar scoop transom but they are now turning one of the aft cabins into a utility room/workshop (with single bunk) if requested.
So Paul has 2 ‘Luthers’ (key &peele), an entertaining way of looking at the alternatives!
Thanks! So glad you enjoyed Paul and his 2 "Luthers" as a way to discuss the pros and cons of building a new boat. 😊
You mentioned a few aluminum brands. Will you also be looking at some of the French designs such as Garcia or Allures?
I love your videos - they're not just escapist but very practical in making a distant hazy dreams a more realistic and informed consideration. Not that I have a plan to buy a boat in the immediate future, nonetheless I've found myself asking many of the questions you posed in this excellent video (thank you).
I've been drawn to Garcia aluminum boats with their swing keel, probably the 52 over the 45 and the boat your currently own Distant Shores III - the Discovery 48S. However I'm now a little concerned about the ideal seeming Discovery 48S because you're moving on so quickly - whereas you had your previous boats for at least a decade apiece. Do you regret the decision to buy her? Does she represent the culmination of your past experiences and boat decisions - that you now realize you've moved on from to seeking different sailing adventures that she's less well suited for? Is it a question of turning a page on a new chapter of sailing experiences altogether - high latitudes (Alaska etc...), Northern Europe (circumnavigation of the UK and the Baltics etc...) but still being able to get close to shore in the Caribbean and Pacific Islands? Does it boil down to pilot house steering (I went on a trip in a Garcia 45 and really liked that aspect of the boat as well as the inward sloping window which made visibility better). We didn't have much wind so I can't speak to speed. Is Distant Shores III also not fast enough compared to your last boat? Fascinated to hear more about your thought process - hopefully in a future videos. Again thank you for your life changing videos which helped me through the pandemic and took me back to my childhood - when it was considered character forming to make a kid sand hulls and paint anti fouling in Lymington and Villefrance.
My wife and I are new to watching your videos. We are looking to retire in the next two years and have decided to do so on a on blue water cruiser. The bad part is we have no sailing experience. With that being said I do have a lot of boating experience, all in motorized boats. We currently have a 70 foot houseboat that we take out every weekend. We are starting the process of pooling our assets together (including selling our houseboat) and working on learning as much as i can about sailing. Are goal is mostly to sail around the Caribbean Bahama's , USVI, BVI and go from there.
We are both in our early sixty's and wonder if we are crazy for wanting to do this? Both are in good health and good shape......
Not at all, Fred! Many of the cruisers we meet didn't start sailing until they had retired. You are ahead in that you have owned a boat and know how to navigate. You might consider joining the Distant Shores Cruising Club to get your questions answered and find a supportive community. We'd love to help you with your new plans. www.patreon.com/distantshorestv
I find Bestevaer 45 ST very appealing. Interesting to here what you think?
. The Moody 54DS design with Galley Below would be perfect in Aluminum.
This is going to be an excellent series.
Cant wait.
I hope you will be speaking to the Stephen Jones and Rob Humphreys Teams, dessigners of your prior yachts??
They might already be thinking in your direction...
i Wonder what your opinion is on the Boreal 47. I love the layout of the yacht and the protected Pilot house. The other yacht was the Orion 49 Explorer. The Garcia Exploration 45 is on the top of my list but way out of my Budget. Excited to see what you finally sign off on. Merry xams. xx
Noticed the Guernsey registration...my mother was born there!
have you considered Pegasus 50 (Slovenian company) - perhaps with adjusted keel
I think it's exciting to follow your plans for Distant Shores IV. I have a suggestion, though. Sell Distant Shores III to one or both of those guys who look a lot like Paul. : - )
Great intel!
Have you considered the Sirius 40 DS twin keel? Ticks most of your boxes.
This is just great to see you guys doing the same that I do right now.
I’m designing a 50 footer for self build and it has some of the same features you prefer. The shallow draft is one thing I have really thought. There’s many compromises to do when lowering the draft in terms of ballast and stability.
You can check my videos if you’re interested to comment some of the ideas.
(I do 3D modeling as well - not with sketchup but with other tools.)
It’s been great connecting with others doing the same, Arctic SeaCamel! We’ll check out your site.
Besides ballast and stability, with an adjustable draft keel, you also have a suvere effect on the sailing propertys, and it will have a huge impact in how much you need to correct with your rudder during sailing and gusts of wind...
Great video this week. I’d be curious to know your thoughts on the Garcia options, and even the new Moody DS options
What are your thoughts on the Garcia exploration 45? It has a lot going for it, an aluminum hull, centerboard that allows it to draught only 1.1 meter, it has a pilothouse,70 millimeters of insulation for the interior(it's like living in a big sleeping bag), a very nice interior layout and while she won't be amazing in terms of performance, she's not slow🦥🦥
Leave it to a guy from Ontariarario to get the triumvirate out to discuss past sailing adventures, well done sir. Looking forward to future videos on your new home. Happy holidays, stay safe and healthy. :-)
I really enjoyed this.. You are the best there is
Thanks, Joseph. So glad you enjoyed this video.
Hi Distant Shores,
@8:30 you put a call out for a sketchup modeller... is that still the case?
(Im interested, for the reason that our venn diagrams are very overlapping).
John
Hello, I watched your video on designs you are looking at with possible mods.
With regard to the Berk- Myer design you had in sketch up, I would comment that as a lifting Keel ( ostensively a weighted Daggerboard) such a design does not provide for SAFETY on impact and I do realize that at KM 's plant you were shown a extremely thick plate to take the shock.....however ,surprisingly the owner
of the facility did not acknowledge the rotational leverage shock imposed on the standing rig!) When designing in Sketch up without the mast moment
you miss out on the FEA moment loads.
In the other yacht it showed a centerboard Keel which does not provide
for the movement of the Center of Effort
and effect on the helm moving aft.
Additionally, there is the large open slot
to detract from the hydrodynamic flow
has a nominal load point and a single
Pivot pin ( typically needing to be serviced from under the water line.)
There also is the lifting capable inducing drag ( noted it could be hydraulic).
Conversely, to the large slot of the center board ( or centerboard /keel) there still remains the fitted profile of a lifting keel or a weighted daggerboard both which should have a crush box to negate the shock of impact.
I would like to apprise you to the benefits
of SCABBOARDS : which maintain the slot of a dagger board but unlike same
ROTATE upon contact with flotsum or submerged reefs & or running up on beaches. SCABBOARDs do not have to project beyond the keel line but can
Be incorporated into a keel section.
SCANBOARDs can be serviced above deck as well as removed above deck!
I sincerely hope I can engage you in a conversation about appendages as well as your other specific design needs.
Sincerely
Norman at Njsea7@gmail.com
Yes I am not going to have a vertical lifting keel... but I did like the interior or Berckmeyer...
@@DistantShoresTV I do not watch TV that much that I have ever caught your show not have I had experience on your
Current TH-cam. However I am interested in currently where you are in your effort to build your new yacht are you in the designing stage have you made a decision as you stated you're going with a lifting keel is it possible if you if you're not too far along that I might speak to you about the design of same a lifting keel does not think for you you have to lift it inadequate time if there is pending Danger I would like to present to you and Alternate that would fit Within the same relative circumstance and space and yet be automatic that is self tending please if you are not too far along contact me at NJ sea 7 at gmail.com Norman cook
Your current boat is essentially brand new... Care to share why you're getting out of her so soon?
Yeah, that's kind of the elephant in the room, isn't it?
well, it obviously isn't directly addressed but he goes through the process that got him to where he is today so you can draw some conclusions.
Can you please explain the pros and cons of aluminium over composite hulls?
Garcia Yachts seems to have most of the features that you are looking for and they have a great history of cruising in the northernmost latitudes which is an area that you sated was of interest to the two of you.
What happened to DS3? You seemed so pleased with it.
Paul, have you checked out Garcia Yachts? They do custom builds. The 45' Explorer is basically Jimmy Cornell's design and input given a rave review by Paul Goss. With a pedigree like that, how can you miss?
We are especially fond of the Garcia 52 but it still lacks features we'd like so this time we're going for a custom build. We started cruising by building our own boat and, although the Southerly Yachts we've owned over the years have been great boats, there were always features we wanted that we couldn't get. Thanks for your input.
@@DistantShoresTV Most welcome! Will you use Garcia as your builder?
Thank you for your prompt response.
May I inquire the type of boat and the SPICIFIC design of Cebterboard. I ask this as most all Centerboards are a single pivot pin and require service by going on the hard in a board yard.
Additionally, the center of effort moves aft as it pivots in an arch radially.
This also candles the cross section of the foil ( basically canceling the shape)
I so much want to introduce you to the benefits of a SCABBOARD and the SAFETY factor offered. The fact that a SCABBOARD not only is self tending but it can be withdrawn to any percentage of exposure without losing its foil shape nor moving the center or effort aft effecting the helm balance. I would love to be able to E mail you more specific details about this and various other parameters.
As sailor for the last 60 years , as well as, a master sail maker and Marine Design Engineer, who has taught as a Professor of Advanced Construction
I would wish I could have a one on one meeting to share insight to the many
advances in Marine Construction prior to your final boat design commitment.
Hopefully you will share your E mail
Sincerely
Norman Cook
Narragansett, RI 02882
Njsea7@gmail .com
This will be fun!
You’re describing the Garcia Exploration 52
What about a Garcia 45 or 50? Alu hull, swing keel, forawrd looking pilothouse, isolated from cold, modern design.
Guy they are definitely great boats but we’re keen on a custom build.
@@DistantShoresTV Im curious how does that workout pricewise, I guess it adds to the price to go custom right? How much % would that add to the building costs comparable to e.g. a similar Garcia?
Why must it be an aluminum alloy hull? How about the titanium alloy hull? The new laser welding machine has easily welded titanium alloy materials.
@@predator1739 Titanium is one of the most expensive materials to make hulls of, it does also come with a lot of complications. The russians back in the cold war era made a titanium ship, if you have an afternoon spare and are looking for an interesting read and watch, look it up...
@@AartJanPrins Titanium alloy is just a relatively expensive material. Its cost should be concentrated in the processing stage, right? I'm not so sure. As a hobby, I can easily buy small titanium alloy plates from online shopping platforms, and DIY small things I like, such as mouse pads and personalized nameplates attached to the keychain.
Many commodities are relatively cheap in their place of origin. For example, Shanxi Province in China is an industrial base for massive mining and refining of titanium alloys.
I'm just a mere hobbyist and I don't have very good research. Hope to see more applications of titanium alloys on sailing yachts!
Garcia looks good
A Boreal 47 or 55 design (or similar) seems to tick a lot of your boxes... I shall follow along from Vancouver with interest. Cheers.
What actually makes you want a new boat? What is it that you don't like about this one? Have you looked at Garcia Exploration 45,it seems to tick many of your list items
Great video! I will be following you closely :)
Garcia also does alu explorer yachts . And why stop at a cat . There's foldable tri's too (Rapido 50)
Yes so many great designs to be inspired by, Gerrit. Thanks for your suggestions.
I've got a deposit down on a foldable Rapido 40 and used to own a Southerly 47...
@@towhitby1 The Rapido 40 is insanely fast for its size : polars show 25 knots in 20 knots True Wind Speed ! Happy to see they are acutally produced and sold . It's difficult to find anything else than renders of both the 40 and 50 . No real pics or videos .
Nice video...One thing you didn't mention ,its the price ranges,,,,,...Its kind of important to me .
Bonjour Paul, I am like you looking to built a custom made aluminium boat and to get ideas you should go to see a design called Marine blue made by Brouns and also few designs made by the naval architect Vincent Lebailly. Both designers are in France. Amitiés Alain.
Kinda sad to see Distant Shores III go, I loved that boat!
Hey Paul & Cheryl, Being Ontarians you are no doubt familiar with Kanter yachts, you did not mention them as a potential builder, what is it that would prevent you from considering them as your builder? They're literally in your backyard....and accept Canadian dollars at par😊.
I am having a trawler built by Kanter, they have a beautiful 64 footer being built at the moment.
Not sure what kind of boat but have you ever checked out the new boat in Sailing Ran.
As JHK says, Garcia look great. What about a Garcia 52 with twin bilge keels and in mast furling?
Googled it.Pretty fantastic but I think it is going to be too slow for them.
I’m sure you’ve looked at the Boreal 47 and I’d think it ticks a lot of boxes. What are your views ?
What’s the best option for hopping from Puerto Rico to Virgin Islands?
What about the Garcia ? Expedition?
If one can't afford a new cat or monohull. What about Prout or Gemini Catamarans? I was told they take up the normal beam of a regular sailboat. Is this all wet? Happy Trails
We have several friends who have cruised the world on a Prout or Gemini catamaran which they prepared well for long-distance cruising and they do have the normal beam of a regular sailboat.
@@DistantShoresTV Thank you for responding.
Garcia 52 or 60 also they have put out a catamaran called explocat 52
Did you ever suggest a Sirius DS40. If I had the money I would look out for a boat like that. But okay, you already had a 49er. You won't probably step back to 40
Torstein makes the best boats....if I could manage on a 40ft I would for sure go a DS40
I stumbled upon Sirius Werft by chance and I do believe they have 50 feet in that 40 foot boat. I can't look at other sailboats in the same way anymore. While their website shows layouts for 2 to 6 berths, they say there are 14 possible layouts and all customizable. I think they tick off a lot of boxes mentioned in this video. Here's their video: th-cam.com/video/MQgRIVw-kPg/w-d-xo.html
very good video don't use sketchup myself more Rhino for 3D yacht visuals
Rather than sketchup I advice to use Rhinoceros. It allowes for more detailed drawings and as an added bonus is a standart in the maritime industry. Start playing with the demo of it.
As a naval architect I must ask, are you planning to have the ship freeze in? that will give more challenges aswel on isolation as taking in the expansion of freezing water...
Hi Aart, Thanks for your questions and recommendation for Rhinoceros as a drawing tool. We will definitely check it out. No we don't plan to freeze the boat in but it something to consider in the design.
@@DistantShoresTV I would advice to go with only 1 seachest, so only one bluewater in and out take or minimise it to two. Aswell as bring them up above the waterline before adding a manifold, and a cofferdam around them. For the engine I am thinking of hull cooling, (using the hull as a heat exchanger) this way eliminating points of leaks/failures.
Downside of one seachest is that your brownwater and blackwater could mix with your blue water intake, so it would require flushing or a seperate intake and outake seachest. Above waterline outakes may also be a concideration.
I realize you have thousands of followers and the effort of producing your show ( even with support staff ) is daunting.
However , since your last response stating "you are going to have a lifting keel" I thought you could find the time to educate yourself to the comparative safety and performance difference between a dagger board type design as you had shown in SKETCH UP and the advantages of a self tending & fully adjustable SCABBOARD. The advantage of a SCABBOARD is it takes up just a nominal increase in the top if the trunk but in trade it does not require a crash box not the thickened exit plate to take
the crash shock ( transferring the shock in a radial forward moment to the standing rigging) instead, SCABBOARD
pivots and simultaneously lifts up & out
of hard way ( without damage to the rigging , hull , or board). Over the many
Century of sailboat history there have been only three basic appedages for
election: keels , daggerboards& centerboards ( or some variant)
but now there is a 4th option.
Prior to your construction let's
have a design conversation.
Looking forward to your time
Sincerely
Thanks for your comment.
Sorry if it wasn't clear in the video but we are not seriously considering a vertical lifting daggerboard for the new boat. As you say a daggerboard style has high shock loads if accidentally grounded. For us one of the main reasons for wanting a shallow draft sailboat is to explore the shallow areas. That's why we have had a swing-keel on 3 different boats. We are planning to have a version of swing keel on the next one too!
Cheers
Paul
OMG now there are 3 of you! Just remember a copy of a copy is not as good (or as smart) as the original.
Are you considering rigs other than Bermudan? Self standing masts might allow quicker & easier transition to canal mode, and heretical choices like junk rigs allow easy and rapid reefing, which increases safety. Check out Red Dog Sailing for an interesting set of choices.
Interesting video, like all your videos. I am really looking forward to the final result. Even though our boat is a Beneteau Oceanis 40 which is located in the Chesapeake Bay, we always looked at boats with shallow draft options. Also, due to well-known reasons, we would choose aluminum if we could.
I am sure you know that the new Pelagic 77' (Skip Novak) is currently built at K&M, they are excellent boat builders, and we have considered them at one point during our boat buying process. We also have considered Boreal and Alubat.
It is probably internationally not really well known, but an excellent aluminum boat builder is the boatyard Benjamins in northern Germany (www.aluminium-yachten.de) and they work together Berkemeyer naval architect (www.berckemeyer-yacht.de/) which created some interesting designs. NO, I do not have any affiliation with either of them.
Again, we are curious about what you as very experienced cruisers will choose at the end.
Great information, pilotarix. Thanks so much for the links.
So you are after a Boreal or a Garcia 😊
In how many bits shall you cut an adventure in, before can enjoy it......
Garcia 45, Allure 45, and Onvi 41
I'll be watching your process closely.