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- This video discusses the old wrist locks of judo found in Arima's Judo handbook of 1919.
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Wrist locks are criminaly underappreciated
I lock my wrist up regularly. Daily.
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By who? Literally everyone i know respects them
@@Vscustomprinting those sound like cool people...but they're not the norm, wristlocks are usually viewed as "aikido bullshido" by most
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Hi Chadi, I am a judo coach in Isfahan, Iran and I also teach the older aspects of classic Judo to my students. Due to the fact that, based on the nature and structure of judo, elbow locks are the most important, in classic judo, wrist locks such as Kote-Gaeshi, Kote-Hineri, Kote-Mawari, as well as Shiho-Nage and Juji-Garami-Nage and...
They are combined with them. For example, along with a waki-gatame and ashi-sabaki , you can add kote-gaeshi to it and knock your opponent down. Another example is that you can go from Te-Gatame to Shiho-Nage or Kote-Hineri "Sankyo in Aikido" and in general the elbow and wrist locks go together like the streets. Thank you very much for your analytical videos.
Where do you teach? I want to learn from you if I go to Iran
@@TheMap1997Okay . Where are you from ? Are you Iranian ?
I'm Indonesian @@sepidedam1151
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You point out a very key factor that many people seem forget regarding wrist/arm/joint locks; namely the opening for it, and how to create it.
The style I have trained combine grabbling (throws, locks, chokes etc) aka "jutaijutsu", with striking (blocks, punches, elbows, headbutts, knees and kicks etc) aka "dakentaijutsu".
The very basic setup is that; 1) an attack of some sort attemts to breaks the posture and balance leading to overbalancing (not uncommonly by striking), 2) then the control over the balance is overtaken; and only after that is 3) an actual takedown applied (like a wristlock or a throw or whatever). This can be done in more of a step by step manner or in a fluid motion that seems like more or less a single step, but the aim and process is still more or less the same.
This is true even in the most basic way of doing the basic wristlock equivalent of "kote gaeshi", however the breakdown of it into these conceptual steps is not always clear in basic training even if it is actually done.
When you also combine striking to you crappling the array of tools to break the posture and take control over the balance becomes much wider. Hense the it becomes easier to create such opportunity.
Most people that shit on jointlocks, and especialy wristlocks, completly ignores the steps leading up to the opening for the wristlock. Of course if you do not distract, break posture and take control of balance the wristlock will be nearly impossible to apply (and probably earn you a punch in a face for your truble) and will become rather useless. However if the balance is broken and controlled then it is a totally different story. Then the best way of doing that can be discussed to great length but it is besides this very point.
So I am very glad that you pointed out that the wristlocks are/should be treated the same ways as throws and need a similar build up/initiation in order to create the oppurtunity to land it successfully. Much appriciated Chadi!
Hello Chadi, All these waza are used in Tomiki Aikido in its Koryu katas, 174 in total with variations etc.. Plus the 17 waza used in randori shia for "safety" To me its all jujutsu in all its varying forms
I remember a old Japanese sensei telling me something very interesting about Judo and escalations
If the aggressor is distracted or relaxed (maybe they are talking to someone else you want to defend, or you have to arrest someone without hurting him), you can try for a wristlock
If the resistance is greater and the threat is looking at you it will he much riskier to pull off a wristlock, but if you still want to try a “softer approach” you can try and go for an elbow lock (for example they grabber your shirt but just as threat, and you exploit that for a Waki Gatame)
If they use their whole body to resist and are actually starting to fight (for example they tackle you), then you can use your whole body as well, and deliver a devastating turn throw with a lot of commitment to create kuzushi (throws like Harai Goshi, Ippon Seoi Nage etc…)
Really makes you think about how many tools Judo gives you to handle a situation, and I didn’t even mention groundwork!
Great! Could u share the full version of these videos?
I am retired law enforcement,,worked in corrections. Many years ago while in conflict with a Inmate from Eastern Europe he broke my wrist in seconds,,wasn't first time he did it as flawless. Fook it hurt,,could actually hear bone and tendons snap. I would of took a punch to face anyway over it,took months rehabilitation and still plays up years later.
Hi Chadi. As a former aikidoka, you have probably noticed the similarities with aikido and of course ju-jitsu. Sure these techniques would very difficult not to say dangerous to practice in competitions. Cheers}
I wish Chadi was my Sensei.
I’m not competent at all, I need years probably decades
Hi, Chadi: Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us - your work is fantastic - much appreciated and always look forward to the next share
First technique I ever learned. Bring the pain.
Thank you very much! Very interesting as always... All the techniques demonstrated here have been integrated in Minoru Mochizuki's aikido sylabus but different names have been used.
Kote Gatame Hekitate
Ue ude garami
Shita ude garami
Hiji Kudaki
Te kubi otoshi
etc...
Techniques from ancient Ju Jutsu, also found in Aikido.
Arigato Gozaimashita
Great video. I love your choice of topics to cover.
I have a book recommendation for you if you’re interested
Please do
Wristlocks are underrated and I hate how many view them as dirty or sneaky. I use the gooseneck type wristlocks in a slow and controlled manner, always have. It adds a new dimension to attaching the arms.
People automatically think aikido and everyone just loves picking on aikido lol smdh.
Ironically, I got the wrist control habit from high school wrestling. It's the closest joint in your reach so why not grab it, pull him and crank it?
Sir , I love wrist locks , awesome , 🙏🙏 i
Hi, these techniques are present in Kawaishi books, I highly recommend them, they’re like the Bible of ju jutsu.
Very educational and very useful 🙇🏾♂️
Looks like Hapkido!
Due to their Japanese roots, both Taekwondo and Hapkido share a lot in common with what is showed in the video (not to mention Tang soo do 🥋)
Thank you for your videos hey chadi did you get to check out the snake pit wigan catch wrestling tournament that just passed
I have not, thank you for telling me
@@Chadi it's was good josh barnett brought an American team um and Josh and Owen lively had a match Owen is a beast not sure if it's on TH-cam yet or not
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The great thing about wristlocks is that they deal a lot of damage And it takes a long time to heal from them, Well now thinking about it maybe that's a bad thing lol
Fantastic..chadi..❤
Thank you
This resembles Japanese Jujitsu in my opinion. I think they use a lot of seated positions when in combat?
Eu pratiquei judô na escola. Mas é muito diferente o estilo antigo com o de hoje. Acho que o antigo é mais eficiente pra se defender na rua.
I think the vast majority of wrist locks in BJJ are effective submissions because of it actually controls the elbow preventing the opponent moving. The types of wrist locks done on a standing opponents where the elbow is not controlled such as found in aikido or in the judo picture you showed I'm not a fan of because the opponent will move their arm to get out of the way. Not to mention that wrist locks make great grip breaks more so than a submission.
Where do you think those wrists/ elbow locks found in BJJ come from? Yes most of them come from Japanese martial arts. So if they're effective in BJJ, they also can be effective in Judo. Also Aikido, Jiujitsu and Judo teaches how to move and what to do to keep the wrist lock working when the uke moves or tries to escape. Unless it's a bad sensei. (And of course, not all wrist locks are super effective 😅)
BJJ is just bad Judo. Judo trained poorly even in comparison to Sport Judo as at least in sport Judo the focus is on fighting on your feet.
Well done - you are displaying the usual Complete Lack Of Knowledge that most BJJ fanbois have about other martial arts. The idea that somehow tori is static if/when uke tries to move/counter or that only BJJ includes counters is one of the more entertaining self-delusions that BJJ weenies constantly wallow about in. It's like the shock BJJ fanbois express when you're playing/sparring with them and you smack them upside of the head with a fist or an elbow and they proclaim that "You're not allowed to do that in aikido!" right before you knee them in the testicles or choke them out.
@@KILLCOLONIALISM judo is a specialized form of grappling. Bjj has perfected finishing a sub under a more free ruleset. Sure there are guard pulls. These judokas should just easily move around it. Also if judo hasn’t played the standing submissions in ages it’s a lost skill. Don’t hate the player hate your game haha.
@@neotenylv09 for sure but it’s not practiced currently. Judo had more subs and takedowns but now it is too specialized to claim to be everything other than a throwing art with a limited submission skill set. I mean at least bjj allows a cross face. I got dq-ed at a judo tournament for cross facing to pin someone
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In the form (kata) Kodokan Goshin Jutsu you have many of these wrist locks: kote gaeshi, kote hineri etc. Have a look here: th-cam.com/video/o8MlGidQY-4/w-d-xo.html
PS. Could you do a video about the fantastic throws of one of the most talented karateka of the world, Rafael Ağayev?
@@fabioronci8348I’ll check him out
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Il judo kodokan è nato con lo scopo di addestrare al combattimento reale. Tutto l'allenamento, randori compreso, era praticato con questo scopo, con regole diverse a seconda dello specifico allenamento.
In una prima fase della sua storia questo era chiaro a tutti, ma successivamente si è trasformato in un'attività sportiva.
Per potersi adeguare al cambiamento, molte tecniche sono state abolite e con esse anche il modo con le quali si allenavano. Tutto ciò ha comportato il mantenimento dei soli kata codificati, ma anche essi entravano in contraddizione con l'agonismo, cioè con lo sport del judo.
Pertanto, taluni kata sono entrati a far parte delle competizioni di judo.
Oggi, il judo è uno sport come la lotta o il pugilato, non ha più nulla del combattimento vero. Anche se una tecnica di proiezione del judo può essere utile in uno scontro, questo fatto non fa diventare il judo un'arte marziale. Era un'arte marziale, oggi non lo è più.
Sono d’accordo, ma in quanto sport di combattimento rimane comunque un arte marziale. Le tecniche di Judo ed il grappling in generale non sono solo “utili in un combattimento”, sono letteralmente la base ed il fulcro di quest’ultimo, e l’MMA l’ha dimostrato a più riprese.
Lì vale “tutto”, o quantomeno tutto ciò che nel Judo non vale, eppure sottomissioni in piedi (soprattutto al polso ed ai gomiti etc non si vedono quasi mai (tecniche proibite del Judo), ma seoi nage, harai goshi, ko uchi gari, o uchi gari, ura nage, tutto il Ne Waza e insomma tutte le tecniche concesse si vedono non spesso, ma letteralmente in ogni incontro.
Questo è indubbiamente anche frutto del fatto che le tecniche proibite raramente vengono praticate, e per tanto impresse nella memoria muscolare degli atleti, ma ciò non toglie che il Judo sportivo odierno sia un arte marziale letale e dalle mille applicazioni nel combattimento reale
@@filippobertone4255 Grazie per la risposta.
Non sono assolutamente d'accordo che uno sport da combattimento sia un'arte marziale.
Un'arte marziale ha uno scopo ben preciso così come uno sport, ma i due scopi non coincidono.
Questo nulla toglie rispetto all'efficienza delle tecniche di cui parli.
Come mai nel periodo Edo nel ju jutsu si sono allenati per secoli nei kata? Perché quell'allenamento veniva ritenuto il migliore per i contesti di allora (per lo più attacchi a sorpresa).
Una caratteristica fondamentale e che ci si trovava di fronte individui che con grande probabilità erano armati (con un'arma in mano oppure no), mentre anche il difendente poteva esserlo, questo comportava un comportamento conseguente da parte dell'attaccante e del difendente che veniva allenato a doc.
Se pensi che l'avversario possa essere armato e che possa avere un'arma in mano (e non lo sai), non puoi ripararti come si fa nel pugilato per esempio, non puoi stare a contatto per molto tempo, come nella lotta a terra, applicare strangolamenti e leve articolari, se non a determinate condizioni, puoi proiettare, ma solo applicando prese agli arti o ad un indumento robusto, non solo, puoi a tua volta colpire di coltello o di spada ecc.
Devi inoltre considerare che l'avversario possa avere un'armatura.
Ti dimentichi tutte le fantasie relative alla legittima difesa, perché ti alleni ad un contesto non attuale. Risulta quindi perfettamente logico colpire a punti vitali chi ti prende i polsi e poi rompergli un arto e colpirlo ancora, magari con un coltello.
Cambia tutto in quello che fai.
Con tutto ciò sono consapevole che un atleta judoka possa difendersi anche nella società odierna, ma il discorso non è questo (anche un regbista o un lottatore si può difendere bene).
@@ediliziamisteriosa3576non voglio essere offensivo, non prenderla sul personale ma secondo me sei ancora nella fase in cui pensi che i kata possano essere utili quanto il randori. Dimentichi il fatto che quando il judo è stato fondato il “Kano jujutsu” si è imposto sulle altre scuole di ju jutsu giapponesi attraverso competizioni, proprio per dimostrare che il suo metodo di insegnamento col randori fosse molto più efficace. Un’altra fake news poi è il fatto che tutte le scuole di jujutsu antico non praticassero il randori già da prima di Kano, non è così infatti Kano lo apprese proprio dalle scuole che aveva fatto. Ha solo perfezionato e creato un suo stile. Ho studiato jujitsu wjjf e aikido per 20 anni (insegnati coi kata e basta), al mio primo incontro di sparring non sapevo cosa fare. Dopo 3 anni di Judo posso già gestire uno sparring e avere mille chances in più anche nella realtà di strada.
Thanks goodness that catch wrestling still teach and COMPETE with wrist lock. And catch wrestling, unlike aikido, is resistance tested.
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Japanese judo and Japanese jujutsu is the real martial art together with karate real self defense brazilian jujitsu is bullshit everbody knows that
I did not know Judo had wristlocks.
Judo taught them in the Kime No Kata. Then Kano told Tomiki to learn Daito Ryu from Ueshiba Ryu to added it to the Judo curriculum, but Kano died before the task was completed. From that research Tomiki Ryu Shodokan Aikido was created by combining Judo methodology of Atemi & Kanetsu then apply it to Daito Ryu Aikido. Tomiki created Judo Taiso, Gohin no jutsu kata, and San kata based on Aikibudo. Only the first two kata were adopted by the Kodokan. Later, these three were used as the basis of Tomiki Ryu. When I learned Judo as a child & teenager it was through Kata & Randori. I tried to implement it when I was teaching but most only want to learn techniques for competition then Nage no Kata which is required for shodan. I prefer the kata based approach because it is easier & safer to know where someone's level of knowledge & skill are.
@@kevionrogers2605 I am familiar with Daito Ryu Aiki-jujutsu.
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