Twenty years ago one of my kenpo buddies got chewed out for doing wristlocks when rolling at a BJJ school. He was told it was "dirty jiu-jitsu." Now everyone's doing them. Like leg locks, they were "dirty BJJ" until certain competitors started using them. Suddenly they're "always been in the curriculum" and "perfectly legal." 🤷
ya all the moves from traditional martial arts which would 'never work in a real setting or competition' seem to work pretty well when martial artists/fighters who train hard sparring integrate them. There seems to be a reason they were removed from competition - they work too well and can cause injury - which is kind of the whole point of martial arts
Years ago I studied Daito ryu aikibudo. I got up to 1st Dan. My sensei told me basically to gtfo and learn out martial arts. So I went to Shotokan Karate, Judo and Iaijutsu. At Shotokan I said start me at white belt please. They saw my technique and said that's not safe, so after a few months they made me a green belt and told me to spend a lot of time on learning the katas for each belt. Then I learned competitive judo and some Iaijutsu . When I came back to the aikibudo dojo, at the end of some classes my teachers would say what did you learn? The new black belts would show and we would use our techniques against that style with the teacher pointing what can and cannot be effective. We even did some ground sparring against panacea guys. Everything great until I got to the higher up and I was starting to learn 'advanced' versions of some previous techniques. I was warned that the origin of this style was to kill or seriously injure people. That's when it got dirty. Eye strikes. Groin grabs and hits. Little hits like this is the normal lock but if you pull and turn it can hyper-extend also. Or this is a head throw but if the person is bigger it does nothing but if you break this then head throw the person will not get up. After some time I was thinking I shouldn't be learning this and lost interest plus I was injured a lot. Nowadays the only thing people are interested in are bjj and mma but there are other every effective styles out there if you search.
This is the stuff you practice after class all the regular people go home and the seniors hang around practicing random things on each other or break out the mma gloves "now lets try this while being punched". Thats when you learn the things that will really save you
Yes, but the quality of instruction and competition available is really suffering due to the talent drain into BJJ. There's a group near me but they all look unfit, and hardly anyone attending. Unfortunately the marketing power of BJJ via MMA is killing off the original arts, Judo included.
I started incorporating these things into my style about five years in it just started happening. It felt like a natural progression for me to do this, I would finish off a throw and I would always have the wrist or arm or leg in a locking position would I would finish. This was only with certain students that were coming up through the system with myself at the same time we were brown belts working on our black belt that's been many years ago now. Japanese Jiu-Jitsu 30+
Another excellent video. This is NOT for the Dojo, but as a security guard, this would be excellent for the job. 🙇🏾♂️ thank you for your time and research.
On the contrary sir..this banned techniques can be shown but NOT everyone is ready to learn.. advanced black belts combed grays hair are ready to embrace it likewise.. responsible Black belts can deal with .. but not to take advantage on kohai beginners
@@markdaniels4178I think should and wrist locks should be allowed in competition, current rules only allow chokes/strangles and elbow attacks which is WAY too restrictive
@conorfiggs234 you only need to moves in self defense situations of jujitsu and not sport. We don't need spine locks and neck cranks, these things are combat oriented, and people are far to immature to execute these dangerous moves in judo or bjj tournaments. Jagaro kano the founder of judo and the grandfather of bjj was absolutely correct when he created the purpose of judo. Judo has far more than we need for self defense and sport
Nice sankyo and nikkyo applications on the ground. Thanks! BTW: Kano apparently said about aikido - it's what I wanted for Judo to look like. And I think he said it because of wrist locks! In aikido they are working very well. But if you not training that I wouldn't use it - you can harm your opponent! They are pretty technical, even if this doesn't look like that.
I have two years of Japanese Jujutsu and about 7 years (mat time) of aikijutsu. I just started using some of these techniques and they work, both as submissions and misdirection for repositioning or other attacks. It has taken me some time to adapt "traditional standing techniques" to the ground. I was close, but when I saw this video clip on another channel everything fell into place. I'm now going back and revamping my entire ground game and realigning my aikijutsu/Jujutsu stand-up techniques. Can't stress enough - learn Japanese Jujutsu and aikijutsu. I wish I had learned these first.
Renshi Scott Taylor and all of the other Canadian's at Goderich Martial Arts are very skilled. They're also extremely humble and always willing to teach anyone willing to learn.
During Judo randori, especially newaza, I will always try pull off some Kyo techniques here and there but of course people there know I did Aikido, and I always make sure I don't go full force . Anyway, is rreally fun
I always criticized the effectiveness of aikido wrist manipulation because in a standing combat it is very hard to apply. Watching this video, I can see that those same wrist manipulations are more effective on the ground, where the opponent has its movement restricted and can´t always avoid the close contact.
At our Ju Jutsu gym, we do mostly focus on sport competition, fighting and ne waza, but regardless we are constantly utilizing and adapting a lot of sneaky and destructive techniques for sport, no reason to not use kotegaeshi, just don't twist it hard with no control, no reason not to use waki gatame, just don't twist it with no control haha...there are ways to use some of the less ustilised and "dirty" techniques in sport.
I did a couple of years Judo and after that a couple of years Japanese Jiu-jitsu. Lessons were very strict and things were explained what could happen and time wise when. 3 bangs on the mat were sometimes not possible for example (I can’t remember what it was called) flat on stomach, legs up against back in a lock and arms in a lock too…. and head pushed down. You were stuck!😂 had to stop it by saying it bc you couldn’t move.
Circular wrist locks are absolutely used (by some) in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu sparring (rolling) without injury. I would agree with you in that both circular wrist locks and pressure points are something that I would not use on someone who I didn’t know. But when rolling with my friends they are frequently used. The pressure points are next to useless. The circular wrist locks have a great potential for injury and must be performed slow enough for your training partner to tap even if it’s verbal. Lastly, without a lot of practice it’s very difficult to actually sub a black belt with a wrist lock but they can be used to initiate sweeps.
Makes me chuckle that we do these locks all the time in training whilst adding strikes or kicks (atemi-waza) as a distraction to engage the lock. The pressure point application to the neck and other various body parts using the correct weapon should also be applied (Ippon Nukite, Koko, Hiraken etc.)
Nice explanation on the mechanics of wrist locks! I guess the whole 'small joint' manipulation is banned from arts meant for competition, as they're considered not sportive, as with the kick in the groin and finger into the eye...
I think the kick in the diagram on the right is a thigh kick looks like above the knee but not as far as the groin, it would make sense since if you kick there hard enough and they are off balance you can break it.
It's a little unfair to ban all wrist locks, there is a strong case for finger and toe locks since these are easily breakable, but wrist locks can be done with as much control as arm locks, and in judo competitors can be very violent on their armlocks attempts but nobody calls for their ban
I learned Judo first. It’s a good thing I did because it helped me develop self-control and restraint. If anyone wants to learn old Jujutsu techniques, you need to learn Judo first. It will get you mentally and physically prepared for an actual fight. Because Judo has a lot more resistance training.
As you mention, they are for survival.. nothing dirty about that. And actually, Nikkyo is bone-on-bone crushing pain. My Sensei (belated TK Lee) wrote a medical paper on it with X-rays and everything. Nikkyo did not work on him as Yamada Sensei crushed all of those little bone extensions out of him
It's really too bad these were dropped from the curriculum. I find the desire to make training safer and the fears of injury as the reason to do so misguided. Could have been a number preserved as an almost separate, specialized, aspect within that curriculum. Keeps the martial arts in general much more serious and sober as a study. It's good there's efforts to rediscover and resurrect them though.
Probably because the masters think that the young generation aren't as disciplined as the old gen. The youths they taught tend to look for fights instead of just using their martial arts for purely defense.
The image 01:53 is actually a school that stole techniques blatantly from Tenjin Shinyo Ryu! At 03:55 this technique is from Asayama Ichiden Ryu (standing).
The law enforcement officer arresting criminal picture, is kempo as 'shorinji kempo'? It read some articles about kenpo, kenpo karate and shorinji kempo. It confuses me
Not to nitpick, but I was recently lectured by a trainer in a Kempo club, that Kempo is a Japanese semi-MMA art, which I believe you are referring to. I think you even did a video about it. Kenpo, on the other hand, is an Americanized style of Karate. Maybe you are saying the correct word, but the subtitle spells "Kenpo".
I did Aikido for 17 years, and 90 percent is from Jujitsu that were originally created to kill people before it changed to become Aikido. For example Irimi Nage is actually a neck break.
Oh there’s more don’t think that this is only ground related. O Soto Gari for example, instead of grabbing the collar you push the chin or face and instead of reaping inside the foot at the ankle you are hitting the back of the knee or calve. Other throws are adjusted, like stepping on the foot pushing on the side of the knee, usually the head as the means of driving the opponent. I would say that knowing them is important but from a practicing standpoint respect for your fellow student is best first. When you love and respect them you don’t want to hurt them. I would never teach these things to people that do not have the values of mutual benefit and mutual respect
Alot of mma Brazilian jiu-jitsu lovers think Japanese jiu-jitsu is useless its because they have been only exposed to Brazilian jiu-jitsu and mma. They no nothing Japanese jiu-jitsu is always better and always more dangerous
Hello guys. Yes indeed these techniques are 100 % effective no matter in standing position or ground position. What is displayed here is just the tip of the iceberg.. there are a TONS of movement deadly movement to be explored.. this what i may call the true martial arts.. japanese people were exquisite in developing and hide from the enemies such a techniques.. remind you..most of these were performed in battlefield or even tight castles rooms where you have and NEED to survive
JAPANESE jujutsu? In the 19th century and before, sure, but today? I’ve looked up some of the actual websites in Japan(I read Japanese etc) and they appear to be TINY- I’m talking one Honbu with training once or twice a week. It seems like medieval revivalism to me… basically some dude calling himself a grandmaster and claiming xyz lineage. My point is therefore twofold: a) when we talk about Japanese jujutsu, we may as well be referring to kodokan or kosen judo (these are established, well organised, and produce high level practitioners who can do their stuff for real); b) we need to STOP referring to Japanese jujutsu as something which is weird/scary/probably doesn’t work compared to BJJ, and as though it’s widespread in Japan (it’s NOT- same way Cornish wrestling is TINY). JJJ you do in the west? Even the Japanese wiki calls it “European jujutsu”.
Also, when I look up 柔術, or 日本の柔術… guess what mostly comes up? Stuff about BJJ in Japan. Please people- JJJ is basically extinct in any meaningful sense: it’s all gone on to become aikido, judo, BJJ, western revival hybrids etc. Not Japanese!
@@haraldodunkirk1432Most modern JJJ schools incorporate Judo and old school Jujutsu techniques. To make it effective today. Judo alone is effective in self-defense. Especially if you trained in “Goshin Jutsu” at the Kodokan. Which is a self defense branch of Judo. But I would never say that JJJ is extinct. There are still schools in Japan that teach old school Jujutsu. And Daitō-ryu Aikijujutsu it’s one of the oldest forms out there. Still taught. Still effective. Mostly for security or military
Hi Chadi, since you’re basically the top source of judo/jiu-jitsu/jujutsu history on TH-cam, please tell me your view on this (a comment I made on another video): The trouble is there’s next to no such thing as “Japanese jiu-jitsu”, it’s a misnomer, or if it does exist, it’s something extremely minority like Morris dancing in the U.K. Here’s the thing: in Japan, there’s judo (obviously very mainstream in education system) and increasingly BJJ. What we in the west call “Japanese jiu-jitsu” is stuff put together in the 1970s in Germany, Switzerland, U.K. and USA by westerners who had black belts or just some experience in aikido, judo, karate etc. It’s just another form of marketing, harking back to samurai. Seriously, any JJJ club or Sensei I’ve politely asked in the west hasn’t been able to cite the origin or hombu back in Japan. The more serious point is that it’s almost unfair on the Japanese to refer to JJJ (as something implied to be inferior to BJJ). JJJ, now = judo and kosen judo.
There is Japanese Jujutsu and Western Jujutsu / Jujitsu. The Japanese systems are alive and well and have also been absorbed and modified in Western systems. Traditional lineage ( some) that are still around includes : Yoshin Ryu, Takenouchi, Kito, and Soshishitsu. Modern systems that have updated the techniques and added from other systems include: Danzen Ryu, Yoshitsune, Goshin Do Samurai, and Sancuse. Some smaller systems that have evolved into modern hybrids include Togakure Ryu ( Ninjutsu) , Tri Tac systems , Krav Maga, etc. Find a good teacher and learn the best of all worlds! Thanks Chadi! 💥
As a Japanese jujitsu teacher, jujitsu was an art of war and judo is a G rated version of jujitsu for safety sport. Jujitsu systems are numerous and varied but all had striking joint locks (with intent to break), throws (with intent to drop the opponent on their face or head after or during no the break) and all the usual stuff. When we spar we do the version of technique that look more like judo with more leg attacks wrist locks and kickboxing. We still learn the samurai versions for educational purposes but there is no way to allow them in sparing safely. Judo and jujitsu are very different. Jujitsu and wrestling look very similar but that’s because both are grappling systems that came from weapons systems. But despite looking similar, they have their own independent origns. Jujitsu has been around for centuries and is actually a MMA of feudal Japan. It absorbed the older styles of yawara, tai jutsu, kumiuchi, wajutsu, sumo, koppo jutsu, kenpo and others. Jujitsu is 100% Japanese. Judo is the sport that came from it. BJJ is not and never was a jujitsu. It’s judo ne-waza.
Sure… but I don’t think you guys are hearing me. JAPANESE jujutsu? In the 19th century and before, sure, but today? I’ve looked up some of the actual websites in Japan(I read Japanese etc) and they appear to be TINY- I’m talking one Honbu with training once or twice a week. It seems like medieval revivalism to me… basically some dude calling himself a grandmaster and claiming xyz lineage. My point is therefore twofold: a) when we talk about Japanese jujutsu, we may as well be referring to kodokan or kosen judo (these are established, well organised, and produce high level practitioners who can do their stuff for real); b) we need to STOP referring to Japanese jujutsu as something which is weird/scary/probably doesn’t work compared to BJJ, and as though it’s widespread in Japan (it’s NOT- same way Cornish wrestling is TINY). JJJ you do in the west? Even the Japanese wiki calls it “European jujutsu”.
i learned most of this a while ago reading wikipedia, iirc japanese jujutsu was basically what remained after the meiji restoration and the samurai class became ronin and yakuza, as part of the budo, so basically samurai would train in the art of archery, the art of pikes, horseriding, swords, and since katanas were pretty bad weapons because of lack of high quality steel, they broke easily, so the very last line of defense was joint locks and wrestling that came from china, from some style of now lost kung fu, because in east asia armors were padded plates of iron and steel tied to the body, so if your sword broke you could try to wreste and break their arm, etc. After guns replaced arrows and pikes (sword fighting with katanas was never really used outside of duels or self defense) many samurai became wandering martial artists teaching their own style of jujutsu, others became criminals and extorted villages to survive, which led to mafia-style organizations, many of them turned to alcohol and gambling and so the reputation of jujutsu was tarnished because it was seen as an uncivilized old discipline in a japan that was trying to become like the west and innovate technologically, people started wearing suits instead of traditional clothes, the railroad was imported, etc, this period led to a massive decline in martial arts. Jigoro Kano was born a few generations down the line from that era and i don't remember the story very well but basically he was working for the government trying to find ways to preserve japanese culture and make it more "civilized" this was the general attitude people had at the time, so he thought jujutsu could be converted from a savage uncivilized violent dangerous thing that thugs did into a proper sport that could be used to cultivate the mind and body, like budo attempted to, and so everything we practice today has come directly from the efforts of jigoro kano of preserving a dying martial art before it was lost, as i understand, there were different styles of jujutsu but they only survived through kano's efforts. So i don't think anyone really has preserved anything that does not come directly from the lineage of jigoro kano, both judo and BJJ are different spins of his jujutsu mix of styles, and i dont think anyone who practices JJJ is practicing something that was not touched by kano himself at least thats how i understand the official version, maybe there have been attempts at restoration but iirc jujutsu dojos schools eventually became judo schools after the sport was renamed after kano's passing because the government was adamant in pushing jigoro kano's version of jujutsu techniques and philosophy
Let me start by saying ; in ways of NAS , the rapper's song "nothing new under the sun" . When in doubt lean a bit on jujutsu side vs Aiki (balance) side. And watch the submission happen. Hello from SFL. Use to train under JR in SFL Daito group. Great times; learned a LOT !!! Hence your vids are great memory lane visits x insightful to keep the mind engaged . Thanks for sharing.
Wrist locks requiring a knee to create a bend in the wrist is not illegal in BJJ. I’ve had people drop a knee in my ribs to separate my elbow and knee in turtle. It’s not the nicest thing to do but it’s a martial art.
We've taught officers that many of the locks and holds that can be applied while standing, may be accessible on the ground. Excellent analysis and presentation. Will be sharing this with fellow law enforcement trainers.
I am always very skeptical about the claim "Judo removed those really dangerous techniques and created a far more refined form of Jiu Jitsu where not only there is technical superiority but also growing as a human being". Technical wise I have nothing against Judo because I really like the way how Judo educated people about using their strength wisely through leverage and gravity. However, Japan always has a sportsman martial art called Sumo which is meant to cultivating skill in a controlled environment, and it is as ceremonial and spiritual as Judo. Therefore it is really not Judo's effort to reinvent the sportsmaness in Japanese martial art, Judo just borrowed what already exist.
Honestly, I find most of this very outdated. I liked a few of the wrist locks. I do not think applying a wrist lock on someone on the ground is a good idea ( especially while in their guard due to possibility of armbar, choke or sweep). I did like that they could push the face and jaw (standing position while throwing.
@@badgersbollocks1119 sounds dangerous. Disclaimer: consequences of the above and detailed actions (if not in self defense) may lead to criminal prosecution (and violence should only be used if one is sincerely afraid for their life (or for any other lawful reason)
How do we decide what is polite and disrespectful? Why is slamming someone hard on their back with a throw perfectly polite but putting a wrist lock on them impolite? There is nothing inherently rude about painful techniques. We just need to change the culture around martial arts so that people stop being soft. I don’t think there is much point in training grappling without strikes. Like sure drill it and do positional sparring without strikes just to learn the movements, but don’t spend your life studying an incomplete school. That is not the way.
Yes. Indians had developed their own style of wrestling and they compete in local tournaments with different rules from Olympic wrestling. They train in akharas and have their own style of wrestling which you can say is very unique from other styles of wrestling.
It’s really not fair to call these “dirty tricks “. Jujitsu is an art of war used by the Samurai (military) for the purpose of doing whatever it takes to kill your opponent. Judo os the safer G-rated version of that art that has been stripping away the dangers since its t was born. BJJ is judo ne-waza. Also a sport.
@Chadi This guy taylor doesn't teache JJJ. If you look what he does is just judo/bjj newaza. He even uses bjj terminology for his techniques. Aparently he creates his own style based in something called kumo jiu jitsu. I've searched what is it and is just the same type of judo/bjj clone with the name "japanese jiu jitsu" created in the west by westerns. We all have to be very carefoul about giving credits to JJJ masters without checking their roots. We allready have problems with bjj guys ignorants of history that claims that bjj is not a descendent art of kodokan judo. And now we have to deal with fake JJJ instructors with no lineage and no real traditional JJJ techniques. They didn't even seem to have japanese ethiquete like we have in judo. And all this people talks BS about judo, saying that is inferior and less important (to both JJJ and BJJ) when in fact is the key for the birth of bjj and for the non-extintion of JJJ.
WOa .. at zero point 25 playback speed the Aikido's sensei style is just embarrassing. Momentum drags his uke around. Back to 1st kyu would be the way to go to study posture and boken/cuts then "try" to include them in practice standing up. Torifune would help a lot also. The worse thing is that he teaches this as quality Aikido taking students further away from its origin into a nothing dragging wrestling match.
@@jassimarsingh6505If this is a reply to me I don’t know what ur talking about. He looks about 38 years old. I’m saying this so things can change. Not to just to be critical. Use 3:07 to 3:10 for an example - slow speed at 0 point 25. If there were two attackers he has big trouble. A dead man = trouble. This posture is beyond bad/ridiculous. It’s his compensation for bad technique. Stand on the Shoulders of Giants, you can see from there, instead of inventing nonsense. We have the info. No one moves like that when using the Boken! Never. It should be a direct translation from sword work. If we look at the direction his butt is moving. That is the direction of his ki. That ki should be on Uke’s contact point. He is dragging him around. If he wanted to I could up-his-game by 60% but he would need to be willing to go back to Shodan with a boken. Investigate Torifune, it is all there. Stand vertical, use the gravitational body weight and above all cut. And of course Torifune leverage.
Stop calling it ‘Japanese’ Jujutsu. It’s Jujutsu, Jujitsu or even Jui-jitsu, depending on country translation spelling. Everything else is eg, American Jujutsu/Jujitsu or Brazilian/Brasilian Jui-Jitsu. It’s like referring to English as British English…while referring to American English as only English. Be respectful of Japanese culture and history please.
Twenty years ago one of my kenpo buddies got chewed out for doing wristlocks when rolling at a BJJ school. He was told it was "dirty jiu-jitsu." Now everyone's doing them. Like leg locks, they were "dirty BJJ" until certain competitors started using them. Suddenly they're "always been in the curriculum" and "perfectly legal." 🤷
BJJ has a lot of marketing BS. Fortunately, there are enough of us who have been around for quite some time and can call them on it 😎
ya all the moves from traditional martial arts which would 'never work in a real setting or competition' seem to work pretty well when martial artists/fighters who train hard sparring integrate them. There seems to be a reason they were removed from competition - they work too well and can cause injury - which is kind of the whole point of martial arts
Oddley enough breaking someone's are in bjj is not dirty , a little double standard in bjj
BJJ likes calling things that work against it 'dirty'
Fads come and go. People want money so they do what the whiny students want to do.
Years ago I studied Daito ryu aikibudo. I got up to 1st Dan. My sensei told me basically to gtfo and learn out martial arts. So I went to Shotokan Karate, Judo and Iaijutsu. At Shotokan I said start me at white belt please. They saw my technique and said that's not safe, so after a few months they made me a green belt and told me to spend a lot of time on learning the katas for each belt. Then I learned competitive judo and some Iaijutsu . When I came back to the aikibudo dojo, at the end of some classes my teachers would say what did you learn? The new black belts would show and we would use our techniques against that style with the teacher pointing what can and cannot be effective. We even did some ground sparring against panacea guys. Everything great until I got to the higher up and I was starting to learn 'advanced' versions of some previous techniques. I was warned that the origin of this style was to kill or seriously injure people. That's when it got dirty. Eye strikes. Groin grabs and hits. Little hits like this is the normal lock but if you pull and turn it can hyper-extend also. Or this is a head throw but if the person is bigger it does nothing but if you break this then head throw the person will not get up. After some time I was thinking I shouldn't be learning this and lost interest plus I was injured a lot. Nowadays the only thing people are interested in are bjj and mma but there are other every effective styles out there if you search.
This is the stuff you practice after class
all the regular people go home and the seniors hang around practicing random things on each other or break out the mma gloves "now lets try this while being punched". Thats when you learn the things that will really save you
Japanese jujutsu is incredibly underrated.
BJJ fanboys can be thanked for that. They have been bashing everything not BJJ but especially JJJ for decades now.
@@jjs3890 You practice Japanese Jujutsu ?
Yes, but the quality of instruction and competition available is really suffering due to the talent drain into BJJ. There's a group near me but they all look unfit, and hardly anyone attending.
Unfortunately the marketing power of BJJ via MMA is killing off the original arts, Judo included.
JJJ is a really good martial art to learn for self defence .
@@badgersbollocks1119 What about it makes you say that. Just wondering cuz I plan on doing Japanese jujutsu in the future.
I started incorporating these things into my style about five years in it just started happening. It felt like a natural progression for me to do this, I would finish off a throw and I would always have the wrist or arm or leg in a locking position would I would finish. This was only with certain students that were coming up through the system with myself at the same time we were brown belts working on our black belt that's been many years ago now. Japanese Jiu-Jitsu 30+
Another excellent video. This is NOT for the Dojo, but as a security guard, this would be excellent for the job. 🙇🏾♂️ thank you for your time and research.
On the contrary sir..this banned techniques can be shown but NOT everyone is ready to learn.. advanced black belts combed grays hair are ready to embrace it likewise.. responsible Black belts can deal with .. but not to take advantage on kohai beginners
@@angelortizgarcia57 please define kohai, sir.
@@thinkordie7292 beginners
@@thinkordie7292 Opposite of Sempai
@@ambulocetusnatans the clarification is most appreciated. 🫡
I object. Wrist locks are not dirty. They are legal at BLUE BELT!
Judo had banned TOO MANY submission from competition. Including leg lock.
Judo is a pacific and restricted version of JuJutsu
You don't need leglocks and other dangerous throws and submissions in a sport competition.
@@outboundflight4455exactly! I wish judo stays that way
@@markdaniels4178I think should and wrist locks should be allowed in competition, current rules only allow chokes/strangles and elbow attacks which is WAY too restrictive
@conorfiggs234 you only need to moves in self defense situations of jujitsu and not sport. We don't need spine locks and neck cranks, these things are combat oriented, and people are far to immature to execute these dangerous moves in judo or bjj tournaments. Jagaro kano the founder of judo and the grandfather of bjj was absolutely correct when he created the purpose of judo. Judo has far more than we need for self defense and sport
all of those wrist locks are legal in IBJJF rules from blue belt and up btw
Nice sankyo and nikkyo applications on the ground. Thanks!
BTW: Kano apparently said about aikido - it's what I wanted for Judo to look like. And I think he said it because of wrist locks! In aikido they are working very well. But if you not training that I wouldn't use it - you can harm your opponent! They are pretty technical, even if this doesn't look like that.
I have two years of Japanese Jujutsu and about 7 years (mat time) of aikijutsu. I just started using some of these techniques and they work, both as submissions and misdirection for repositioning or other attacks. It has taken me some time to adapt "traditional standing techniques" to the ground. I was close, but when I saw this video clip on another channel everything fell into place. I'm now going back and revamping my entire ground game and realigning my aikijutsu/Jujutsu stand-up techniques. Can't stress enough - learn Japanese Jujutsu and aikijutsu. I wish I had learned these first.
Renshi Scott Taylor and all of the other Canadian's at Goderich Martial Arts are very skilled. They're also extremely humble and always willing to teach anyone willing to learn.
During Judo randori, especially newaza, I will always try pull off some Kyo techniques here and there but of course people there know I did Aikido, and I always make sure I don't go full force . Anyway, is rreally fun
I always criticized the effectiveness of aikido wrist manipulation because in a standing combat it is very hard to apply. Watching this video, I can see that those same wrist manipulations are more effective on the ground, where the opponent has its movement restricted and can´t always avoid the close contact.
This is why i love traditional newaza it's efficient and effective and you don't compromise your position
Oss. Great video thank you very much.
Thanks for posting.
Love the channel. Thanks 👍 for all the hard work
Love the connections between the arts
I saw many techniques like this in CACC
At our Ju Jutsu gym, we do mostly focus on sport competition, fighting and ne waza, but regardless we are constantly utilizing and adapting a lot of sneaky and destructive techniques for sport, no reason to not use kotegaeshi, just don't twist it hard with no control, no reason not to use waki gatame, just don't twist it with no control haha...there are ways to use some of the less ustilised and "dirty" techniques in sport.
I did a couple of years Judo and after that a couple of years Japanese Jiu-jitsu. Lessons were very strict and things were explained what could happen and time wise when. 3 bangs on the mat were sometimes not possible for example (I can’t remember what it was called) flat on stomach, legs up against back in a lock and arms in a lock too…. and head pushed down. You were stuck!😂 had to stop it by saying it bc you couldn’t move.
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Circular wrist locks are absolutely used (by some) in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu sparring (rolling) without injury. I would agree with you in that both circular wrist locks and pressure points are something that I would not use on someone who I didn’t know. But when rolling with my friends they are frequently used. The pressure points are next to useless. The circular wrist locks have a great potential for injury and must be performed slow enough for your training partner to tap even if it’s verbal. Lastly, without a lot of practice it’s very difficult to actually sub a black belt with a wrist lock but they can be used to initiate sweeps.
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Makes me chuckle that we do these locks all the time in training whilst adding strikes or kicks (atemi-waza) as a distraction to engage the lock. The pressure point application to the neck and other various body parts using the correct weapon should also be applied (Ippon Nukite, Koko, Hiraken etc.)
Nice explanation on the mechanics of wrist locks! I guess the whole 'small joint' manipulation is banned from arts meant for competition, as they're considered not sportive, as with the kick in the groin and finger into the eye...
I think the kick in the diagram on the right is a thigh kick looks like above the knee but not as far as the groin, it would make sense since if you kick there hard enough and they are off balance you can break it.
It's a little unfair to ban all wrist locks, there is a strong case for finger and toe locks since these are easily breakable, but wrist locks can be done with as much control as arm locks, and in judo competitors can be very violent on their armlocks attempts but nobody calls for their ban
I learned Judo first. It’s a good thing I did because it helped me develop self-control and restraint. If anyone wants to learn old Jujutsu techniques, you need to learn Judo first. It will get you mentally and physically prepared for an actual fight. Because Judo has a lot more resistance training.
Finally appreciating aikido
O sensei is demonstrating his refiend skill. Which he learned from the monks he studied with in the mointains. Just a fun fact he also trained ninjas.
Ive done many martial arts in myy 50 years jjj is my next art ,and im going too get my son involved in it
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Which Ryu of Japanese Jujutsu does he teach from?
As you mention, they are for survival.. nothing dirty about that. And actually, Nikkyo is bone-on-bone crushing pain. My Sensei (belated TK Lee) wrote a medical paper on it with X-rays and everything. Nikkyo did not work on him as Yamada Sensei crushed all of those little bone extensions out of him
It's really too bad these were dropped from the curriculum. I find the desire to make training safer and the fears of injury as the reason to do so misguided. Could have been a number preserved as an almost separate, specialized, aspect within that curriculum. Keeps the martial arts in general much more serious and sober as a study. It's good there's efforts to rediscover and resurrect them though.
Probably because the masters think that the young generation aren't as disciplined as the old gen. The youths they taught tend to look for fights instead of just using their martial arts for purely defense.
The image 01:53 is actually a school that stole techniques blatantly from Tenjin Shinyo Ryu!
At 03:55 this technique is from Asayama Ichiden Ryu (standing).
Great content as always, ju jutsu, Aikido and Judo technical wonders
Lancashire wrestling full body drop elbow spike to the solar plexus to BJJ (pulling guard) nightmare.
can you do more about wrestling, submission wrestling ? thank you
The law enforcement officer arresting criminal picture, is kempo as 'shorinji kempo'? It read some articles about kenpo, kenpo karate and shorinji kempo. It confuses me
Everything has an out. Even the wrist lock can be countered
Thank you, Chadi. For sharing this
Not to nitpick, but I was recently lectured by a trainer in a Kempo club, that Kempo is a Japanese semi-MMA art, which I believe you are referring to. I think you even did a video about it. Kenpo, on the other hand, is an Americanized style of Karate. Maybe you are saying the correct word, but the subtitle spells "Kenpo".
In Japanese, the "M" sound and the "N" sound are very close, so sometimes it is written Kempo and sometimes it is written Kenpo. Both are correct.
I did Aikido for 17 years, and 90 percent is from Jujitsu that were originally created to kill people before it changed to become Aikido. For example Irimi Nage is actually a neck break.
Oh there’s more don’t think that this is only ground related. O Soto Gari for example, instead of grabbing the collar you push the chin or face and instead of reaping inside the foot at the ankle you are hitting the back of the knee or calve. Other throws are adjusted, like stepping on the foot pushing on the side of the knee, usually the head as the means of driving the opponent. I would say that knowing them is important but from a practicing standpoint respect for your fellow student is best first. When you love and respect them you don’t want to hurt them. I would never teach these things to people that do not have the values of mutual benefit and mutual respect
Alot of mma Brazilian jiu-jitsu lovers think Japanese jiu-jitsu is useless its because they have been only exposed to Brazilian jiu-jitsu and mma. They no nothing Japanese jiu-jitsu is always better and always more dangerous
Hello guys. Yes indeed these techniques are 100 % effective no matter in standing position or ground position. What is displayed here is just the tip of the iceberg.. there are a TONS of movement deadly movement to be explored.. this what i may call the true martial arts.. japanese people were exquisite in developing and hide from the enemies such a techniques.. remind you..most of these were performed in battlefield or even tight castles rooms where you have and NEED to survive
JAPANESE jujutsu? In the 19th century and before, sure, but today? I’ve looked up some of the actual websites in Japan(I read Japanese etc) and they appear to be TINY- I’m talking one Honbu with training once or twice a week. It seems like medieval revivalism to me… basically some dude calling himself a grandmaster and claiming xyz lineage.
My point is therefore twofold: a) when we talk about Japanese jujutsu, we may as well be referring to kodokan or kosen judo (these are established, well organised, and produce high level practitioners who can do their stuff for real); b) we need to STOP referring to Japanese jujutsu as something which is weird/scary/probably doesn’t work compared to BJJ, and as though it’s widespread in Japan (it’s NOT- same way Cornish wrestling is TINY).
JJJ you do in the west? Even the Japanese wiki calls it “European jujutsu”.
Also, when I look up 柔術, or 日本の柔術… guess what mostly comes up? Stuff about BJJ in Japan. Please people- JJJ is basically extinct in any meaningful sense: it’s all gone on to become aikido, judo, BJJ, western revival hybrids etc. Not Japanese!
@@haraldodunkirk1432Most modern JJJ schools incorporate Judo and old school Jujutsu techniques. To make it effective today. Judo alone is effective in self-defense. Especially if you trained in “Goshin Jutsu” at the Kodokan. Which is a self defense branch of Judo.
But I would never say that JJJ is extinct. There are still schools in Japan that teach old school Jujutsu. And Daitō-ryu Aikijujutsu it’s one of the oldest forms out there. Still taught. Still effective. Mostly for security or military
Hi Chadi, since you’re basically the top source of judo/jiu-jitsu/jujutsu history on TH-cam, please tell me your view on this (a comment I made on another video):
The trouble is there’s next to no such thing as “Japanese jiu-jitsu”, it’s a misnomer, or if it does exist, it’s something extremely minority like Morris dancing in the U.K.
Here’s the thing: in Japan, there’s judo (obviously very mainstream in education system) and increasingly BJJ. What we in the west call “Japanese jiu-jitsu” is stuff put together in the 1970s in Germany, Switzerland, U.K. and USA by westerners who had black belts or just some experience in aikido, judo, karate etc. It’s just another form of marketing, harking back to samurai.
Seriously, any JJJ club or Sensei I’ve politely asked in the west hasn’t been able to cite the origin or hombu back in Japan.
The more serious point is that it’s almost unfair on the Japanese to refer to JJJ (as something implied to be inferior to BJJ). JJJ, now = judo and kosen judo.
There is Japanese Jujutsu and Western Jujutsu / Jujitsu. The Japanese systems are alive and well and have also been absorbed and modified in Western systems. Traditional lineage ( some) that are still around includes : Yoshin Ryu, Takenouchi, Kito, and Soshishitsu. Modern systems that have updated the techniques and added from other systems include: Danzen Ryu, Yoshitsune, Goshin Do Samurai, and Sancuse. Some smaller systems that have evolved into modern hybrids include Togakure Ryu ( Ninjutsu) , Tri Tac systems , Krav Maga, etc. Find a good teacher and learn the best of all worlds! Thanks Chadi! 💥
Genuinely thank you for the info. I read/write Japanese, so I’m looking forward to researching some of the names you’ve provided.
As a Japanese jujitsu teacher, jujitsu was an art of war and judo is a G rated version of jujitsu for safety sport. Jujitsu systems are numerous and varied but all had striking joint locks (with intent to break), throws (with intent to drop the opponent on their face or head after or during no the break) and all the usual stuff. When we spar we do the version of technique that look more like judo with more leg attacks wrist locks and kickboxing. We still learn the samurai versions for educational purposes but there is no way to allow them in sparing safely. Judo and jujitsu are very different.
Jujitsu and wrestling look very similar but that’s because both are grappling systems that came from weapons systems. But despite looking similar, they have their own independent origns. Jujitsu has been around for centuries and is actually a MMA of feudal Japan. It absorbed the older styles of yawara, tai jutsu, kumiuchi, wajutsu, sumo, koppo jutsu, kenpo and others. Jujitsu is 100% Japanese. Judo is the sport that came from it. BJJ is not and never was a jujitsu. It’s judo ne-waza.
Sure… but I don’t think you guys are hearing me. JAPANESE jujutsu? In the 19th century and before, sure, but today? I’ve looked up some of the actual websites in Japan(I read Japanese etc) and they appear to be TINY- I’m talking one Honbu with training once or twice a week. It seems like medieval revivalism to me… basically some dude calling himself a grandmaster and claiming xyz lineage.
My point is therefore twofold: a) when we talk about Japanese jujutsu, we may as well be referring to kodokan or kosen judo (these are established, well organised, and produce high level practitioners who can do their stuff for real); b) we need to STOP referring to Japanese jujutsu as something which is weird/scary/probably doesn’t work compared to BJJ, and as though it’s widespread in Japan (it’s NOT- same way Cornish wrestling is TINY).
JJJ you do in the west? Even the Japanese wiki calls it “European jujutsu”.
i learned most of this a while ago reading wikipedia, iirc japanese jujutsu was basically what remained after the meiji restoration and the samurai class became ronin and yakuza, as part of the budo, so basically samurai would train in the art of archery, the art of pikes, horseriding, swords, and since katanas were pretty bad weapons because of lack of high quality steel, they broke easily, so the very last line of defense was joint locks and wrestling that came from china, from some style of now lost kung fu, because in east asia armors were padded plates of iron and steel tied to the body, so if your sword broke you could try to wreste and break their arm, etc. After guns replaced arrows and pikes (sword fighting with katanas was never really used outside of duels or self defense) many samurai became wandering martial artists teaching their own style of jujutsu, others became criminals and extorted villages to survive, which led to mafia-style organizations, many of them turned to alcohol and gambling and so the reputation of jujutsu was tarnished because it was seen as an uncivilized old discipline in a japan that was trying to become like the west and innovate technologically, people started wearing suits instead of traditional clothes, the railroad was imported, etc, this period led to a massive decline in martial arts. Jigoro Kano was born a few generations down the line from that era and i don't remember the story very well but basically he was working for the government trying to find ways to preserve japanese culture and make it more "civilized" this was the general attitude people had at the time, so he thought jujutsu could be converted from a savage uncivilized violent dangerous thing that thugs did into a proper sport that could be used to cultivate the mind and body, like budo attempted to, and so everything we practice today has come directly from the efforts of jigoro kano of preserving a dying martial art before it was lost, as i understand, there were different styles of jujutsu but they only survived through kano's efforts. So i don't think anyone really has preserved anything that does not come directly from the lineage of jigoro kano, both judo and BJJ are different spins of his jujutsu mix of styles, and i dont think anyone who practices JJJ is practicing something that was not touched by kano himself
at least thats how i understand the official version, maybe there have been attempts at restoration but iirc jujutsu dojos schools eventually became judo schools after the sport was renamed after kano's passing because the government was adamant in pushing jigoro kano's version of jujutsu techniques and philosophy
Old School Japanese Jutjutsu period :0)
Let me start by saying ; in ways of NAS , the rapper's song "nothing new under the sun" . When in doubt lean a bit on jujutsu side vs Aiki (balance) side. And watch the submission happen. Hello from SFL. Use to train under JR in SFL Daito group. Great times; learned a LOT !!! Hence your vids are great memory lane visits x insightful to keep the mind engaged . Thanks for sharing.
Wrist locks requiring a knee to create a bend in the wrist is not illegal in BJJ. I’ve had people drop a knee in my ribs to separate my elbow and knee in turtle. It’s not the nicest thing to do but it’s a martial art.
Tem um filme de 1944 ,primeiro filme de Akira Kurosawa ,Judô x Ju jitsu
We've taught officers that many of the locks and holds that can be applied while standing, may be accessible on the ground. Excellent analysis and presentation. Will be sharing this with fellow law enforcement trainers.
The very beginning was aikido.
Japanese techniques martial arts jujutsu techniques police
good martial artists in Japan were always sneaky - after all read sun tzu-
We learned that in my gym, it’s called “the douchebag”
Strictly for combat. Painful bone and joint breaking.
I am always very skeptical about the claim "Judo removed those really dangerous techniques and created a far more refined form of Jiu Jitsu where not only there is technical superiority but also growing as a human being". Technical wise I have nothing against Judo because I really like the way how Judo educated people about using their strength wisely through leverage and gravity. However, Japan always has a sportsman martial art called Sumo which is meant to cultivating skill in a controlled environment, and it is as ceremonial and spiritual as Judo. Therefore it is really not Judo's effort to reinvent the sportsmaness in Japanese martial art, Judo just borrowed what already exist.
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Honestly, I find most of this very outdated. I liked a few of the wrist locks. I do not think applying a wrist lock on someone on the ground is a good idea ( especially while in their guard due to possibility of armbar, choke or sweep). I did like that they could push the face and jaw (standing position while throwing.
Eye swipe
@@badgersbollocks1119 sounds dangerous.
Disclaimer: consequences of the above and detailed actions (if not in self defense) may lead to criminal prosecution (and violence should only be used if one is sincerely afraid for their life (or for any other lawful reason)
But that old man is the founder of aikido he was jui jitsu master
Ive been trying to find a japanese jujutsu school in Vegas. So far. Nothing.
You might try looking at Jeff Speakman's Kenpo 5.0 school. Its the closest thing to Japanese jujitsu. You really cant go wrong with his kenpo 5.0.
Hapkido is best all-round.
How do we decide what is polite and disrespectful? Why is slamming someone hard on their back with a throw perfectly polite but putting a wrist lock on them impolite? There is nothing inherently rude about painful techniques. We just need to change the culture around martial arts so that people stop being soft. I don’t think there is much point in training grappling without strikes. Like sure drill it and do positional sparring without strikes just to learn the movements, but don’t spend your life studying an incomplete school. That is not the way.
If you’re not training grappling to be able to do this you have lost the path
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I wanna find the link with China. Besides dog kung fu or whatever.
Is there such a thing as indian wrestling from India?👍👍👍
Yes. Indians had developed their own style of wrestling and they compete in local tournaments with different rules from Olympic wrestling. They train in akharas and have their own style of wrestling which you can say is very unique from other styles of wrestling.
Yes. Their folkstyle is known as pehlwari I believe. Speak about it with my taxi drivers on the way to train catch as catch can.
It’s really not fair to call these “dirty tricks “. Jujitsu is an art of war used by the Samurai (military) for the purpose of doing whatever it takes to kill your opponent. Judo os the safer G-rated version of that art that has been stripping away the dangers since its t was born. BJJ is judo ne-waza. Also a sport.
The problem is that martial sports are supplanting martial arts.
Oh je suis sûr que tu peux trouver beaucoup plus vicieux dans le ju jutsu traditionnel
@Chadi This guy taylor doesn't teache JJJ. If you look what he does is just judo/bjj newaza. He even uses bjj terminology for his techniques. Aparently he creates his own style based in something called kumo jiu jitsu. I've searched what is it and is just the same type of judo/bjj clone with the name "japanese jiu jitsu" created in the west by westerns.
We all have to be very carefoul about giving credits to JJJ masters without checking their roots. We allready have problems with bjj guys ignorants of history that claims that bjj is not a descendent art of kodokan judo. And now we have to deal with fake JJJ instructors with no lineage and no real traditional JJJ techniques. They didn't even seem to have japanese ethiquete like we have in judo. And all this people talks BS about judo, saying that is inferior and less important (to both JJJ and BJJ) when in fact is the key for the birth of bjj and for the non-extintion of JJJ.
Thats legal in mma
Wrist lock is not good for flexible people
Wrist locks dont work
Catch Wrestling is the king of grapplinh arts.
Ueshiba seriously. 😂 This Man is a kiai Master. Nothing sneaky pure bullshit.
WOa .. at zero point 25 playback speed the Aikido's sensei style is just embarrassing.
Momentum drags his uke around. Back to 1st kyu would be the way to go to study
posture and boken/cuts then "try" to include them in practice standing up. Torifune would help a lot also.
The worse thing is that he teaches this as quality Aikido taking students further away from its origin into a nothing dragging wrestling match.
Dude was like 70 wth is ur problem
@@jassimarsingh6505If this is a reply to me I don’t know what ur talking about.
He looks about 38 years old.
I’m saying this so things can change. Not to just to be critical.
Use 3:07 to 3:10 for an example - slow speed at 0 point 25.
If there were two attackers he has big trouble. A dead man = trouble.
This posture is beyond bad/ridiculous. It’s his compensation for bad technique. Stand on the Shoulders of Giants, you can see from there, instead of inventing nonsense. We have the info.
No one moves like that when using the Boken! Never. It should be a direct translation from sword work.
If we look at the direction his butt is moving. That is the direction of his ki. That ki should be on Uke’s contact point. He is dragging him around.
If he wanted to I could up-his-game by 60% but he would need to be willing to go back to Shodan with a boken.
Investigate Torifune, it is all there. Stand vertical, use the gravitational body weight and above all cut. And of course Torifune leverage.
Keep in mind no one is punching you in the face or gouging your eyes out in these "grounded wrist locks"
Stop calling it ‘Japanese’ Jujutsu. It’s Jujutsu, Jujitsu or even Jui-jitsu, depending on country translation spelling.
Everything else is eg, American Jujutsu/Jujitsu or Brazilian/Brasilian Jui-Jitsu.
It’s like referring to English as British English…while referring to American English as only English.
Be respectful of Japanese culture and history please.
can you so some videos on Danzan Ryu as well as the difference between the terms Kodokan and Kodenkan
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