At 35:15 when we get that motiff of Find The Flame. Its Triumphant, it's hope, it's a man who has suffered greatly and unjustly yet still chose to see the world free. That's Clive Rosfield.
I love it. Clive is just showing up Ultima and teaching him how much of a fool he has always been. It really makes you feel like your the final boss in the end
yeah just realized that too, from the ifrit-risen vs ultima-prime was all on ultima's side (the battle-theme from the typhon fight turned orchestral), then the first phase of ultimalius it was still more on his side but clives battle-theme can be heard (the male singers). then at the end it was 80%-90% clive's battle-theme, even the female singers from ultimalius-theme change sides..
I love the Ifrit, Phoenix, Bahamut health bar at the start of the final battle. And their struggle to even get a single hit in made it really feel like they are fighting a true god.
I like that even when you did the QTE you still got your ass beat. On an unfortunate note though, you can deliberately fail all of them and the outcome doesn’t change. The mashing square part won’t progress until you do it either.
@@viridiangreen2457 Oh maybe it was only in the earlier fight against him. I'm talking about the final boss theme of FFII. Edit: Yeah it was his other theme. They both have the reference to FFI. *Spoilers* ***The Streets of Madness fight.***
Usually, the final theme is a souped up villian theme, but here, it's a souped up Clive theme, and you realize that you've indeed been playing "the outlaw" this game, the one going to destroy the crystals instead of trying to protect them. The villian to Ultima's story, you are HIS final boss.
This is kind of Soken's thing. He pulls the same trick in FF14 for the final boss of the latest expansion (which is the culmination of the story so far since the base game) in that the first half is an amazing mix of the final boss themes up to that point, and the second half is the most ecstatic and hyped up version of the player character's theme. In other words, the final boss of the game is like, "wait, why do I hear boss music?" when they fight you. Soken is the goat.
Also, the fact that Clive's will is overpowering his own. Ultima initiated this fight, intending to crush Clive's will. So the theme reflects that in being Ultima's theme alone. The fact that it transitions to a merge of the two in Ultimalius and then transitions to an epic version of Find the Flame is proof that this has backfired on him immensely.
@@thebeattsFirst time I heard Soken in FF16, and I have to say what amazes me the most, is this is the first composer I've heard in my life (since the Berserk anime composer) that does music that EXACTLY MATCHES THE PLOT of what you're seeing on screen. Soken just turns every encounter with an Eikon, or even a walk through the woods, into a cinematic experience. Simple example but the piece "Histoire" when you're going through Sanbrecque (near Lostwing) really made me feel like I was walking in the rural part of France (where I'm from) and reminded me of medieval France. Every single piece of music composed by Soken in this game made me almost listen more, than play the game, it transported me somewhere in terms of imagination. I love when composers have this ability, but its very rare in games. For example Devil May Cry 5 is a cool game but the BGM is just metal or other songs. Its good, but its not something that makes your imagination go wild. Honestly Soken is 50% of FF16 for me.
You take Find the Flame, with Main Theme of Final Fantasy, To sail Forbidden Seas and you add that with Torn from the Heavens and we truly have the magnum opus of CBU3 and the legacy they uphold with flying colors
The thing was about Ultima is that as a villain, he was very generic. As a character, he’s very one dimensional. As an antagonist to Clive, he’s incredible. He serves as the perfect obstacle for Clive at the end to truly end his arc and serves as a literal inner demon for him to face. When you think of Ultima as more of a concept and a psychological obstacle for Clive to get across, he becomes a much more compelling antagonist. That’s what I think at least
I really wish we fought his base design, he gets worse with every transformation imho. And the blue ifrit form is kinda cheap. Really wish he put up more of a eerie and creepy fight instead of heroic
I dunno i didnt think he was that bland as is. Its kind of a poetic statement about war, that this all started in desperation, not malice. Ultima was doing anything and everything he could to save his world and he simply didn't care about humans because they were tools and fell outside the scope of what really mattered to him. Everyone else takes a version of this stance, willing to destroy anyone who gets in the way of their personal desires. In the end it drives home the message about learning to see past yourself and fight for something bigger than yourself. Humanity turned against Ultima because he failed to see past his own wants and needs to consider those of his creations, and conversely Clive did so much and saved the planet from dying exactly because he learned how to look past his own hatred and grief in order to fight for something that really mattered. Ultima isnt exactly the most humanized villain but you could argue thats the point, that even an indifferent deity doesnt do things for no reason.
i love the fact when we first fought typhon, we were given the synth dubstep version of this track. And for final battle, it's a full blown orchestra arrangement. The HORNS at 19:18 gave me orgasms
i feel its a mix out of "man with a machinegun" and a track from ff tactics i dont remember the name of.... probably my favourite from the game... love how they integrated the lines from your friends/family.
I love that the first part of the last battle is a clash between Ultima's and Clive's themes, each of them taking the lead every so often, until you reach the last phase and the winner becomes clear, having Clive's theme becoming the only one. btw 29:45 You can never escape the Jojo references
that final phase being a mix of "find the flame" (soken referred to as clive's theme) and the theme of final fantasy, the crystals, and some few others is just so incredible
I thought this villain was way better integrated than most others but also very similar in character to those of other games. His motives as a „god“ who just wanted to safe his people were understandable. He just had the will to survive. He didn’t foresee that consciousness and will would form within his creations and he literally became the same as those people he created who developed greediness. That’s also why Clive said during the fight: „we are equal, you’re not better than us“. Instead of working together with those who had faith in him (god), he abandoned the humans to fulfill his own greedy plan without feeling any compassion. Ultima is the reason people began doing their own thing in the first place because they felt left alone. I thought it was pretty cool and smart. But it’s just my opinion..
That's 90% accurate, but it wasn't greed. It was self-preservation; how can wanting to save yourself be a sin? The problem was he didn't extend that to humanity.
100% agree I love that we got introduced to Ultima as the main villain and stayed for the role until the very end. Can't really say that for most FF games that pull off some true Ass pull final boss.
@@jorntumrongwit9056be that as it may, Kuja was the final villain, but Necron is just a force of nature that protects the crystal... They didn't hint him before the fight, but it doesn't seem too out of place since he's basically part of the crystal world
@@blanc-2468 True, but I'm just pointing out that FF16 did the "force of nature" with Ultima better than what FF9 did with Necron. I still liked FF9 better than 16, but that's just smth I noticed
Ultima isn't a character. He's an obstacle. A force of nature. For a game all about Clive, that's perfect. He's not an Emet Selch, or a Thanos. He's more of a Zeromus or Endsinger. Just forces of nature. For those complaining that Ultima is simplistic. I think that's the point. He even doesn't have his own full extended theme, just a lingering leitmotiff. Unlike say, other FF bosses. And in the end, it's Clive's theme that plays full blast.
I personally perceive him as some kind of disorder too, a shadow that is always there... consuming Clive little by little and robbing him from everything. From the way he talks and moves, trying to isolate him and robbed him from his own human will. One of my favourite encounters is the one after finally defeating Titan and destroying the mothercrystal.
Just because something was intended, that doesn’t mean it was good. I can intend to stub my toe, but it’s still a really dumbass decision. The game was enjoyable, and it’s nice to not have an asspull true villain for once, but fuck Ultima was soooo boring, he was just the same copy pasted God character we’ve all seen a thousand times already.
Hearing all of Clive’s friends and loved one’s voices through that final fight was done with such incredible execution. It really made me feel as if they were right there fighting alongside him against Ultima.
If you haven't, you should try ff 14. It's long af, but just as good as ff 16 if not better and the final fight in the final expansion does a similar thing (which is probably where the they got the inspiration from for 16)
i keep coming back to this video everyday for a listen @ 33:00, it's just so damn good. that part is easily my favourite song from the game, it's literally find the flame on steroids!! it makes me cry in a rlly good/cathartic way because this piece feels so fricking powerful and hits me so hard. EVERY. TIME.
gods the ultimalius rendition of find the flame is singlehadedly the most badass i have ever felt playing a game and i wasn't even playing the game when i saw the scene. i was watching a friend play it because fucking OOF PS5 exclusive
Ultima's theme gives me "yeah this god is actually a cosmic entity from space, but that's so fucking cool" vibes. The part at 23:12 is so adventurous and full of wonder and mystery esepecially. Love it!
I love how they handled Ultima. You need a villian to be a present figure in your story for fighting him to mean anything, Final Fantasy has a bad habit of introducing the final boss literally at the end of the game, but with Ultima we're introduced to him within the first maybe 10 hours of the game and we slowly learn more about him, his intentions, how dangerous he is and why he needs to be stopped. At the end, we actually fight him and just him, not him then after he's dead the TRUE villian floats in, I really appreciate that.
Here's my views. I loved Ultima as a villain. He's not just a God, he has almost rational intentions. The big problem I had, but I guess this was inevitable, is that by introducing such a menacing and threatening villain in the game, from the day he appeared, the story became about him. I really liked FF16 when FF16 was just about human politics and factions. I honestly thought the game, in the initial trailers, was just gonna be about factions (kind of like Fire Emblem or other strategy game), and it would just be Game of Thrones but "Game of Eikons". Instead this was trivialised when you figure out every Eikon is just the bitch of God (Ultima) and he's gonna fck you up sooner or later, so you're delaying the inevitable which is fighting him. I wish the game was double the size and more ambitious. Like 1 PS5 disk which is part 1 and just politics. And part 2 which is only Ultima. But I realise that project would be insane in terms of scope. I guess FF7 Rebirth is going with TWO PS5 disks which I imagine means the game is much more massive, with a massive open world and side games/quests in addition to the main quest.
@@MayHugger he is. The dude is litterally a réflection of war, the excessful worship of gods, free will, humanity, complex of inferiority/superiority...
This just had way too many phases and separate forms. So I just decided to put it in all one video since the game just recently came out. Soooo if you're here then you definitely don't care about spoilers. I'll upload the various fights as individual videos in a week or 2
That's because you're still in the honeymoon phase. It will pass, and then you will see this game is far from being perfect. They tried to use spectacle to distract us from the game's shortcomings.
@@fabiomartinsgoldenberg1207 I can absolutely acknowledge the flaws in the game, but I'd still rate it incredibly high in the franchise. It covers for its flaws well, and I hope they take note of them when working on the next entry for the series.
Ngl, Ultima has been reminding me of "The Creator" from FF4:tAY, and Stranger of Paradise's Lufenians, due to their alien design+origins, crystal usage and their supposed god-like status.
Ultima seems to be heavily influenced by the Lufenians, even his motivation is similar, probably a nod to them seeing even his Theme is a twisted version of FFI main theme. Also he remins me a lot of the Engineers from Alien
I think what I like most about Ultima as a villain, putting aside my big issues with them, is just how utterly wrong they are at every turn of the game. They wax on about purging Clive of his will, and yet completely fail to ever accomplish this. They think of humanity as utterly inferior, when it's humanity who are striving to fix the world, wounded as it is, whilst Ultima seeks to abandon it. Ultima caused the world's Blight with their magic, yet refuse to give it up, still thinking it the solution to their problem. Their new world would have been doomed to the same fate, and creating it was not even possible; as Clive realised after Ultima's defeat, his body wouldn't have been able to cast 'Raise' after all. The curse would have claimed him. As Clive says, Ultima forsook the path that could've seen real change, all because they refused to give up the magic that made them a 'god'.
I really like that Ultima is shown as having completely different logic than that of human, he doesn't undertand bonds so by trying to break them makes them stronger etc. He doesn't understand sacrifice so he keeps magic even though it is destroying the world. He is an architect of his own fall at every step of the way.
@@KnPachi99Raise was the spell Ultima was going to use to remake the world. Clive simply healed Joshua’s body which sadly was too little, too late, since Joshua was already dead.
I just finished the game yesterday, fuckin hell of an experience. Im going to play the final fantasy difficulty when they come out with an update for the fps. They already added the motion blur setting which was a plus, but i want to wait it out a little more since they promised an fps fix. But i personally nominate this for GOTY amazing story
It's so weird how the game's main theme is that no one can accomplish great things by themselves but it's the only Final Fantasy where you primarily fight alone
Pretty sure it was “slavery bad”. Clive kept going on and on and on about how he wanted a world where people can die on their own terms, referring to slaves not having a choice.
No, Clive was in a bad place mentally when he only was thinking about revenge, but Cid, Gav and the other show him that you can have a better propuse in life, those people make Clive feel like someone in life, friendship is not only about “oh let’s fight together” is about helping each other in the dark times
Dude Soken is a master at his craft! you can hear the female vocals singing Ultimas theme and then male vocals singing Clives but then once the final phase starts and Ultima begins to doubt himself the female vocals join with the males almost as if not even the vocals believe what Ultima is fighting for anymore which perfectly aligns with Ultimas character in this moment and i personally think thats the most amazing detail ever
Not gonna lie, i felt a little let down by the final phase. It wanted it to be longer, like fighting your way through the corridors of the Origin. Also, a huge fourth form. Really it's my fault, i was so overleveled the fight was a breeze. I really liked Ultima as an antagonist. Yes he is basically a cliche, but it really worked to me. He was intimidating. How he went from unbothered by Clive to completely freaked out by the end of the fight was really cool. I really hated that the game ended basically. It's the best since X and i'm really glad I got to enjoy a new ff game this much. It's been a while And the OST is absolutely incredible, when are they going to release it ??
Ultima: "I am victorious, you will now become my vessel." Clive: "no means no asshole." *Two minutes of getting his ass beat later* Ultima: "BUT HOW?! WHY?!! I AM GOD!! I AM LITERALLY A FUCKING GOD!! I CREATED MAN!! I CREATED MAGIC!! I CREATED YOU!!" Clive:"but can you create a victory?" Ultima:".......I'm going to start hitting you now." Clive:"Fair enough." *Two more minutes of getting his ass beat* Ultima: "SERIOUSLY I AM THROWING METEORS AT YOU AND YOU'RE JUST CASUALLY DODGING THEM!! HOW ARE YOU THIS POWERFUL?!" Meanwhile, in clive's head: *Torgal barking out the FF theme* Ultima: "YOU'RE NOT EVEN FOCUSING ON THE FIGHT ARE YOU?!!" Clive: "hm? sorry, I was miles away." Ultima: "HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS?!" Clive: "well you see ultima, when you created man you forgot that they grow stronger through the power of friendship-" Ultima: "No..." Clive:"And I made a LOT of friends-" Ultima: "DAMN YOU THAT'S NOT A THING!! THAT'S NEVER BEEN A THING!! THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP IS A LOAD OF ANIME BULLSHIT IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL, I CAN SEE THE PAST! I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!! I CONSUME TIME, AND I WILL CONSUME YOU!! "THAT" IS POWER!!" Clive: "Well good for you you're wrong." Ultima: "I'm getting my ass beat by the human equivalent of a chocolate labrador....this is the worst day of my life..." *five more minutes of epic eikon power clashes and perfect megaflare dodges later* Ultima: "Okay, seriously...why?! WHY CAN'T I WIN?!" Clive:"Again, power of friendship." *PUNCHES HIM SQUARE IN THE FACE WITH SUCH FORCE AND RAWNESS THAT IT REQUIRES A BUTTON MASHING QTE TO COMPLETE*
Would it be too farfetched to think that Ultima could be a Lufenian? The ff1 over world theme plays when you first fight him, and it's in the interdimensional rift of all places. I know the ff games aren't directly connected except with the rift, but lately it does seem like square is trying to connect the worlds more and more. He probably isn't one, but it'd be interesting to think that after the Lufenians left, this is one of the places they chose to go to.
Ultima, A rather generic villain, even more so by his one-dimensional goals. but an incredible antagonist; he represents the psychological state of Clive, his inner demons he wanted to quell ever since "accepting" his fate, Ultima being just a physical manifestation of his psyche to serve as the perfect last obstacle and final boss to end and complete his character arc, he served his purpose to Clive completely, with this in mind, I really like Ultima's concept, they did a great job with showcasing it with Clive beating him with the help of all his past comrades and allies, further signifying his growth out of his old & broken state in the most Final Fantasy way imaginable. I usually dislike having "gods" as final bosses for being mainly overdone and repetitive, but I give FFXVI a respectful pass for colliding Ultima's concept with Clive's, a really nice duality of Antagonist = Protagonist. FFXVI was so goddamn good, my kind of FF in regards to story/combat/cinematics.
I honestly thought we were getting a typical FF wall boss when the Ultimas came together to make that giant spell and was so hyped. Would have been cool, but an amazing game and final boss still. Definitely in my top 5.
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Never in my life have I seen 40 minutes of ost for a single boss
Okay but that final QTE where we find out Clive’s right hook is the most powerful attack in any FF game was GODLIKE THO
literally
I never felt so good pressing square in my entire life
Jack Garland would be proud
@@WanderingNerd21 More Like Asura would be proud of both of them.
It looked like a reference to giorno's punch on diavolo. It has the turn as well
The way the music slowly changes into Clive's theme was fucking incredible
Soken is really into leitmotif, he loves to blend familiar themes to create a narrative and that's very powerful
0:00 : Ultima 1
5:38 : Ultima Prime
10:27 : Ultima 3
16:37 : Ultima Risen
24:37 : Ultimalius
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What's the name of the Song for Ultimalius?
32:58 : Ultimalius [Limit Break]
Who made that song?
Does this include the fight in the penultimate chapter?
At 35:15 when we get that motiff of Find The Flame. Its Triumphant, it's hope, it's a man who has suffered greatly and unjustly yet still chose to see the world free.
That's Clive Rosfield.
The feeling I felt in that moment while fighting is indescribable lol. Soken is a fucking god.
I love how the music slowly shifts towards Clive’s theme over time. And then at 33:00, his theme takes complete control.
I love it. Clive is just showing up Ultima and teaching him how much of a fool he has always been. It really makes you feel like your the final boss in the end
yeah just realized that too, from the ifrit-risen vs ultima-prime was all on ultima's side (the battle-theme from the typhon fight turned orchestral), then the first phase of ultimalius it was still more on his side but clives battle-theme can be heard (the male singers). then at the end it was 80%-90% clive's battle-theme, even the female singers from ultimalius-theme change sides..
When you became the final boss, and Clive say "I AM THE FINAL FANTASY XVI" 🚬🚬🎥
I love the Ifrit, Phoenix, Bahamut health bar at the start of the final battle. And their struggle to even get a single hit in made it really feel like they are fighting a true god.
I like that even when you did the QTE you still got your ass beat.
On an unfortunate note though, you can deliberately fail all of them and the outcome doesn’t change. The mashing square part won’t progress until you do it either.
This boss fight would be perfect if that part was actually playable
37:53 Call me a sucker for leitmotifs but this was easily my favourite part of the entire OST.
The fact this has parts of the FFI Main Theme and FFII Battle 2 is epic.
Where is FFII Battle 2?
@@viridiangreen2457 Oh maybe it was only in the earlier fight against him. I'm talking about the final boss theme of FFII. Edit: Yeah it was his other theme. They both have the reference to FFI. *Spoilers*
***The Streets of Madness fight.***
Usually, the final theme is a souped up villian theme, but here, it's a souped up Clive theme, and you realize that you've indeed been playing "the outlaw" this game, the one going to destroy the crystals instead of trying to protect them. The villian to Ultima's story, you are HIS final boss.
This is kind of Soken's thing. He pulls the same trick in FF14 for the final boss of the latest expansion (which is the culmination of the story so far since the base game) in that the first half is an amazing mix of the final boss themes up to that point, and the second half is the most ecstatic and hyped up version of the player character's theme. In other words, the final boss of the game is like, "wait, why do I hear boss music?" when they fight you. Soken is the goat.
Also, the fact that Clive's will is overpowering his own. Ultima initiated this fight, intending to crush Clive's will. So the theme reflects that in being Ultima's theme alone. The fact that it transitions to a merge of the two in Ultimalius and then transitions to an epic version of Find the Flame is proof that this has backfired on him immensely.
@@thebeattsFirst time I heard Soken in FF16, and I have to say what amazes me the most, is this is the first composer I've heard in my life (since the Berserk anime composer) that does music that EXACTLY MATCHES THE PLOT of what you're seeing on screen. Soken just turns every encounter with an Eikon, or even a walk through the woods, into a cinematic experience. Simple example but the piece "Histoire" when you're going through Sanbrecque (near Lostwing) really made me feel like I was walking in the rural part of France (where I'm from) and reminded me of medieval France. Every single piece of music composed by Soken in this game made me almost listen more, than play the game, it transported me somewhere in terms of imagination. I love when composers have this ability, but its very rare in games. For example Devil May Cry 5 is a cool game but the BGM is just metal or other songs. Its good, but its not something that makes your imagination go wild. Honestly Soken is 50% of FF16 for me.
You are ultima‘s Final Fantasy!
Well it starts as remix of Ultima music and then becomes Clive's theme at the end. So sick
I’m in love with this mix of find the flame 33:00
best theme ever
That's literally *his* boss theme.
Clive is the boss there
there is also a lot from blinded by light from FF13 in there
You and me both!
You take Find the Flame, with Main Theme of Final Fantasy, To sail Forbidden Seas and you add that with Torn from the Heavens and we truly have the magnum opus of CBU3 and the legacy they uphold with flying colors
The Find the Flame remix at 33:00 is 🔥🔥 it has the “my friends are my power” type of vibe
Along with a hint of Maker’s Ruin too!
And much better
The thing was about Ultima is that as a villain, he was very generic. As a character, he’s very one dimensional. As an antagonist to Clive, he’s incredible. He serves as the perfect obstacle for Clive at the end to truly end his arc and serves as a literal inner demon for him to face. When you think of Ultima as more of a concept and a psychological obstacle for Clive to get across, he becomes a much more compelling antagonist. That’s what I think at least
I really wish we fought his base design, he gets worse with every transformation imho. And the blue ifrit form is kinda cheap. Really wish he put up more of a eerie and creepy fight instead of heroic
This is just another attempt at Asuras wrath.
I dunno i didnt think he was that bland as is. Its kind of a poetic statement about war, that this all started in desperation, not malice. Ultima was doing anything and everything he could to save his world and he simply didn't care about humans because they were tools and fell outside the scope of what really mattered to him. Everyone else takes a version of this stance, willing to destroy anyone who gets in the way of their personal desires. In the end it drives home the message about learning to see past yourself and fight for something bigger than yourself. Humanity turned against Ultima because he failed to see past his own wants and needs to consider those of his creations, and conversely Clive did so much and saved the planet from dying exactly because he learned how to look past his own hatred and grief in order to fight for something that really mattered. Ultima isnt exactly the most humanized villain but you could argue thats the point, that even an indifferent deity doesnt do things for no reason.
@@alexh.3045 Basically Chakravartin from asuras wrath.
If he had become ULTIMA WEAPON i would have liked him more,it doesnt help he looks like the big baby guy from prometheus but with hair
Seeing you willingly dodge into meteors during WIngs of Light is so relatable it hurts.
Max Megaflare is an addiction, let me tell ya.
12:46
That is just beautiful
I love you soken
i love the fact when we first fought typhon, we were given the synth dubstep version of this track. And for final battle, it's a full blown orchestra arrangement. The HORNS at 19:18 gave me orgasms
The part at 24:39 are truly amazing, it's like you're not against a villain but a heroes of all mankind
i feel its a mix out of "man with a machinegun" and a track from ff tactics i dont remember the name of.... probably my favourite from the game... love how they integrated the lines from your friends/family.
I love that the first part of the last battle is a clash between Ultima's and Clive's themes, each of them taking the lead every so often, until you reach the last phase and the winner becomes clear, having Clive's theme becoming the only one.
btw 29:45 You can never escape the Jojo references
Not only that... Ultima theme is also a Twisted version of Final Fantasy I makn theme... the level of epicness in this is superb.
that final phase being a mix of "find the flame" (soken referred to as clive's theme) and the theme of final fantasy, the crystals, and some few others is just so incredible
That game is pure kino dopamine shot
Tri-Disaster in XIV: Casual AOE
Tri-Disaster in XVI: a nuke
Fair
Original Tridisaster in XIV: A cloud that Puts 3 dots.
LOL.
Audibly gasped when I realized that Ultima 1 is basically the overworld theme from FF1. One of my fav tracks from FF1.
I noticed that too though it took me a bit to realize what it was then it clicked.
Isn't it Chaos Shrine theme?
@@Zeldarulahno
@@theflashgordon193 It absolutely is but what I never realized is that FF1 Chaos Shrine and Overworld theme both feature this same motif
@@Zeldarulah i disagree listen it again. It lack too much element of chaos chrine to be it. It's really is just overworld
I thought this villain was way better integrated than most others but also very similar in character to those of other games. His motives as a „god“ who just wanted to safe his people were understandable. He just had the will to survive. He didn’t foresee that consciousness and will would form within his creations and he literally became the same as those people he created who developed greediness. That’s also why Clive said during the fight: „we are equal, you’re not better than us“. Instead of working together with those who had faith in him (god), he abandoned the humans to fulfill his own greedy plan without feeling any compassion. Ultima is the reason people began doing their own thing in the first place because they felt left alone. I thought it was pretty cool and smart. But it’s just my opinion..
That's 90% accurate, but it wasn't greed. It was self-preservation; how can wanting to save yourself be a sin? The problem was he didn't extend that to humanity.
100% agree I love that we got introduced to Ultima as the main villain and stayed for the role until the very end. Can't really say that for most FF games that pull off some true Ass pull final boss.
*FF9 players collectivly glances at Necron*
Necron was so dumb lmao
@@jorntumrongwit9056be that as it may, Kuja was the final villain, but Necron is just a force of nature that protects the crystal... They didn't hint him before the fight, but it doesn't seem too out of place since he's basically part of the crystal world
@@blanc-2468 True, but I'm just pointing out that FF16 did the "force of nature" with Ultima better than what FF9 did with Necron. I still liked FF9 better than 16, but that's just smth I noticed
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Ultima isn't a character. He's an obstacle. A force of nature. For a game all about Clive, that's perfect. He's not an Emet Selch, or a Thanos. He's more of a Zeromus or Endsinger. Just forces of nature. For those complaining that Ultima is simplistic. I think that's the point. He even doesn't have his own full extended theme, just a lingering leitmotiff. Unlike say, other FF bosses. And in the end, it's Clive's theme that plays full blast.
And then Clive realize he is just like him, fighting for the survival of his own specie.
I personally perceive him as some kind of disorder too, a shadow that is always there... consuming Clive little by little and robbing him from everything. From the way he talks and moves, trying to isolate him and robbed him from his own human will. One of my favourite encounters is the one after finally defeating Titan and destroying the mothercrystal.
Just because something was intended, that doesn’t mean it was good. I can intend to stub my toe, but it’s still a really dumbass decision.
The game was enjoyable, and it’s nice to not have an asspull true villain for once, but fuck Ultima was soooo boring, he was just the same copy pasted God character we’ve all seen a thousand times already.
Hearing all of Clive’s friends and loved one’s voices through that final fight was done with such incredible execution. It really made me feel as if they were right there fighting alongside him against Ultima.
The real journey is the friends we make along the way.
If you haven't, you should try ff 14. It's long af, but just as good as ff 16 if not better and the final fight in the final expansion does a similar thing (which is probably where the they got the inspiration from for 16)
Ultima was jenova 2.0, and i was so happy with it.
i keep coming back to this video everyday for a listen @ 33:00, it's just so damn good. that part is easily my favourite song from the game, it's literally find the flame on steroids!! it makes me cry in a rlly good/cathartic way because this piece feels so fricking powerful and hits me so hard. EVERY. TIME.
gods the ultimalius rendition of find the flame is singlehadedly the most badass i have ever felt playing a game
and i wasn't even playing the game when i saw the scene. i was watching a friend play it because fucking OOF PS5 exclusive
After beating the game this 28:47 part still stuck into my head.
thanks for uploading this!! I love the sound of ultima's theme, such a cool villain
Okay, I'm calling it
This boss fight, the whole sequence, is the best final boss in any Final Fantasy I've played
Loved that they put ff1 overworld theme in there
20:41 that part is so intense
Probably one of the best Final Fantasy OST ever existed!
33:00
Ultima's theme gives me "yeah this god is actually a cosmic entity from space, but that's so fucking cool" vibes. The part at 23:12 is so adventurous and full of wonder and mystery esepecially. Love it!
I love how they handled Ultima. You need a villian to be a present figure in your story for fighting him to mean anything, Final Fantasy has a bad habit of introducing the final boss literally at the end of the game, but with Ultima we're introduced to him within the first maybe 10 hours of the game and we slowly learn more about him, his intentions, how dangerous he is and why he needs to be stopped. At the end, we actually fight him and just him, not him then after he's dead the TRUE villian floats in, I really appreciate that.
Right? So satisfying.👌🏿
If only he were at all interesting as a character. Oh well, at least the flashy effects were cool.
Here's my views. I loved Ultima as a villain. He's not just a God, he has almost rational intentions.
The big problem I had, but I guess this was inevitable, is that by introducing such a menacing and threatening villain in the game, from the day he appeared, the story became about him. I really liked FF16 when FF16 was just about human politics and factions. I honestly thought the game, in the initial trailers, was just gonna be about factions (kind of like Fire Emblem or other strategy game), and it would just be Game of Thrones but "Game of Eikons". Instead this was trivialised when you figure out every Eikon is just the bitch of God (Ultima) and he's gonna fck you up sooner or later, so you're delaying the inevitable which is fighting him. I wish the game was double the size and more ambitious. Like 1 PS5 disk which is part 1 and just politics. And part 2 which is only Ultima. But I realise that project would be insane in terms of scope. I guess FF7 Rebirth is going with TWO PS5 disks which I imagine means the game is much more massive, with a massive open world and side games/quests in addition to the main quest.
@@RavusNox-z5i FF16 was already one hell of an ambitious project. Maybe not quite as ambitious as FF15, but far better executed.
@@MayHugger he is. The dude is litterally a réflection of war, the excessful worship of gods, free will, humanity, complex of inferiority/superiority...
11:28 is my favorite part of the ost
I believe this also played as a prelude to the typhon fight too. The entire sequence was just foreshadowing the final boss.
I really like hearing a bit of the orginal theme from ff1 it is a nice throw back
So I’m not the only one that heard that… was really surprised.
same here!
Good to know I am not the only one. It's the FF1 map music!
They obviously save the best instrument for the last boss... the TROMBONE
I really love how the opening song is the field theme from FF1. This makes me want to buy the OST because of how good the music was in this game.
I loved the part when Clive Final Fantasy said "It's Final Fantasy time" and then Final Fantasied all over the place
Truly a moment in time
Truly one of the moments in the game!
Why are you the only dude with ultimas themes? Glad I found you lmao thank you
This just had way too many phases and separate forms. So I just decided to put it in all one video since the game just recently came out. Soooo if you're here then you definitely don't care about spoilers. I'll upload the various fights as individual videos in a week or 2
34:10 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 this was a pure adrenaline rush during this fight for me
Thank you so much for this. After finishing the game, I have to find this last boss ost immediately. So good.
the motif that plays at the beginning of typhon 3 is so fucking good in ultimalius
The start of the ultimalius cutscene almost made me lose it. I honestly thought they were forming the tower of gods from ff6
I mean, typhon was ultima to begin with so it's ultima's theme anyhow.
@@sarthakverma1030 fs it's the ultima motif, it's just prominent there first in the typhon fight
This a theme for fighting a relentless, unbeatable threat
20:15 sound from heaven 😇
No party.
No airships.
No turn-based.
And is probably my second favorite Final Fantasy
They might say final fantasy has lost its originalism, but they forgot how perfect the execution for this game was, 9/10 for me
No airships? There’s airships every five feet in this game! 😉
That's because you're still in the honeymoon phase. It will pass, and then you will see this game is far from being perfect.
They tried to use spectacle to distract us from the game's shortcomings.
@@fabiomartinsgoldenberg1207
I can absolutely acknowledge the flaws in the game, but I'd still rate it incredibly high in the franchise. It covers for its flaws well, and I hope they take note of them when working on the next entry for the series.
What's the first?
Ngl, Ultima has been reminding me of "The Creator" from FF4:tAY, and Stranger of Paradise's Lufenians, due to their alien design+origins, crystal usage and their supposed god-like status.
He also gives me serious Zanza vibes from Xenoblade
Zemus too.
Ultima seems to be heavily influenced by the Lufenians, even his motivation is similar, probably a nod to them seeing even his Theme is a twisted version of FFI main theme.
Also he remins me a lot of the Engineers from Alien
When ultima's theme shifts into dion's it always sends chills down my spine 7:35
I think what I like most about Ultima as a villain, putting aside my big issues with them, is just how utterly wrong they are at every turn of the game. They wax on about purging Clive of his will, and yet completely fail to ever accomplish this. They think of humanity as utterly inferior, when it's humanity who are striving to fix the world, wounded as it is, whilst Ultima seeks to abandon it. Ultima caused the world's Blight with their magic, yet refuse to give it up, still thinking it the solution to their problem. Their new world would have been doomed to the same fate, and creating it was not even possible; as Clive realised after Ultima's defeat, his body wouldn't have been able to cast 'Raise' after all. The curse would have claimed him.
As Clive says, Ultima forsook the path that could've seen real change, all because they refused to give up the magic that made them a 'god'.
I really like that Ultima is shown as having completely different logic than that of human, he doesn't undertand bonds so by trying to break them makes them stronger etc. He doesn't understand sacrifice so he keeps magic even though it is destroying the world. He is an architect of his own fall at every step of the way.
1 thing you missed he was able to raise jpsua byt that was his limit,
@@KnPachi99Raise was the spell Ultima was going to use to remake the world. Clive simply healed Joshua’s body which sadly was too little, too late, since Joshua was already dead.
best moment and soundtrack 25:00
7:35 is stuck in my head rn
I just finished the game yesterday, fuckin hell of an experience. Im going to play the final fantasy difficulty when they come out with an update for the fps. They already added the motion blur setting which was a plus, but i want to wait it out a little more since they promised an fps fix. But i personally nominate this for GOTY amazing story
Well, I reckon Baldur’s Gate 3 will give them a run for their money.
That Tri-Disaster by Ifrit, Phoenix and Bahamut looks amazing , epic and planet-destroying.
Wow, the first phase of this song is the Overworld/Field theme from the NES Final Fantasy 1 game! I did not notice that in game!
Great catch, I didn't hear it until I actually made the comparison between the vocals in this and the FF1 overworld theme.
Love the choir going up in this fight. Reminds me of ff7
Really don't get all the problems people have with Ultima.
He was an amazing villain IMO.
Man I'd love all of Ultima Prime's theme on YT, including the section after Tri Disaster hits, sounds great.
It's so weird how the game's main theme is that no one can accomplish great things by themselves but it's the only Final Fantasy where you primarily fight alone
Pretty sure it was “slavery bad”. Clive kept going on and on and on about how he wanted a world where people can die on their own terms, referring to slaves not having a choice.
No, Clive was in a bad place mentally when he only was thinking about revenge, but Cid, Gav and the other show him that you can have a better propuse in life, those people make Clive feel like someone in life, friendship is not only about “oh let’s fight together” is about helping each other in the dark times
Dude Soken is a master at his craft! you can hear the female vocals singing Ultimas theme and then male vocals singing Clives but then once the final phase starts and Ultima begins to doubt himself the female vocals join with the males almost as if not even the vocals believe what Ultima is fighting for anymore which perfectly aligns with Ultimas character in this moment and i personally think thats the most amazing detail ever
Chill Soken, chill..
Soken : 🙅♂️
Clive: you don’t get it ultima, we’re one in the same
Ultima: NO WERE NOT
*limit breaks*
Not gonna lie, i felt a little let down by the final phase. It wanted it to be longer, like fighting your way through the corridors of the Origin.
Also, a huge fourth form. Really it's my fault, i was so overleveled the fight was a breeze.
I really liked Ultima as an antagonist. Yes he is basically a cliche, but it really worked to me. He was intimidating.
How he went from unbothered by Clive to completely freaked out by the end of the fight was really cool.
I really hated that the game ended basically. It's the best since X and i'm really glad I got to enjoy a new ff game this much. It's been a while
And the OST is absolutely incredible, when are they going to release it ??
I want the music starts at clive at the beach
23:40 going foward, its perfect
Jesus ❤️❤️
Although I liked FF15 this was the first Final Fantasy I ever finished. I liked how the side quests almost always tied into the world/story.
The part against Ultima Prime is soooo Dragonball lmao 7:18 Cooler vs goku, 10:17 and another scene where Bahamut has a beam struggle with Ultima.
Ok so is anyone gonna talk about how the beginning theme is literally the main theme of Final Fantasy 1 but slowed and made menacing
The track between ifrit risen and ultima risen is my fave bit
24:38 I think I hear "Man With The Machine Gun" in there
Love the FF1 World map motif at the beginning.
Finally someone else noticed it!
I love the part when Clive said "Its Eikon Time!" and Eikoned all over that guy.
Still cant get over how the ending was just Gurren Lagann and I loved every second of it.
I like how they added the dps check during the countdown phase lol
Ultima: "I am victorious, you will now become my vessel."
Clive: "no means no asshole."
*Two minutes of getting his ass beat later*
Ultima: "BUT HOW?! WHY?!! I AM GOD!! I AM LITERALLY A FUCKING GOD!! I CREATED MAN!! I CREATED MAGIC!! I CREATED YOU!!"
Clive:"but can you create a victory?"
Ultima:".......I'm going to start hitting you now."
Clive:"Fair enough."
*Two more minutes of getting his ass beat*
Ultima: "SERIOUSLY I AM THROWING METEORS AT YOU AND YOU'RE JUST CASUALLY DODGING THEM!! HOW ARE YOU THIS POWERFUL?!"
Meanwhile, in clive's head: *Torgal barking out the FF theme*
Ultima: "YOU'RE NOT EVEN FOCUSING ON THE FIGHT ARE YOU?!!"
Clive: "hm? sorry, I was miles away."
Ultima: "HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS?!"
Clive: "well you see ultima, when you created man you forgot that they grow stronger through the power of friendship-"
Ultima: "No..."
Clive:"And I made a LOT of friends-"
Ultima: "DAMN YOU THAT'S NOT A THING!! THAT'S NEVER BEEN A THING!! THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP IS A LOAD OF ANIME BULLSHIT IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL, I CAN SEE THE PAST! I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!! I CONSUME TIME, AND I WILL CONSUME YOU!! "THAT" IS POWER!!"
Clive: "Well good for you you're wrong."
Ultima: "I'm getting my ass beat by the human equivalent of a chocolate labrador....this is the worst day of my life..."
*five more minutes of epic eikon power clashes and perfect megaflare dodges later*
Ultima: "Okay, seriously...why?! WHY CAN'T I WIN?!"
Clive:"Again, power of friendship." *PUNCHES HIM SQUARE IN THE FACE WITH SUCH FORCE AND RAWNESS THAT IT REQUIRES A BUTTON MASHING QTE TO COMPLETE*
28:47 this part. it gets me every damn time
17:44
33:00 At this moment, Clivr become the boss lmao
😂😂😂😂😂 facts with his theme song literally playing
The fact that Clive punched god so hard it did the 9999 number he put everything in that hook he was saving it for God and God alone
999,999 damage to be exact. Truly an attack meant to end a god. 😎
Why ultima 1 is literally the overworld theme from FF1?
Good catch, is curious indeed.
ahh i knew it sounded familiar!! it was on the tip of my tongue. thanks for pointing it out. i love when composers do this, so awesome
I bloody knew it seemed familiar.
That's honestly really cool.
Because the world he wants is only his fantasy, and we are its final witness.
THANK YOU! I was beginning to think that no one noticed! And I'm pretty curious about that too since the first time I heard that...
29:20 bro this is amazing, what track is this
Would it be too farfetched to think that Ultima could be a Lufenian? The ff1 over world theme plays when you first fight him, and it's in the interdimensional rift of all places. I know the ff games aren't directly connected except with the rift, but lately it does seem like square is trying to connect the worlds more and more.
He probably isn't one, but it'd be interesting to think that after the Lufenians left, this is one of the places they chose to go to.
Ultima,
A rather generic villain, even more so by his one-dimensional goals.
but an incredible antagonist; he represents the psychological state of Clive, his inner demons he wanted to quell ever since "accepting" his fate, Ultima being just a physical manifestation of his psyche to serve as the perfect last obstacle and final boss to end and complete his character arc, he served his purpose to Clive completely, with this in mind, I really like Ultima's concept, they did a great job with showcasing it with Clive beating him with the help of all his past comrades and allies, further signifying his growth out of his old & broken state in the most Final Fantasy way imaginable.
I usually dislike having "gods" as final bosses for being mainly overdone and repetitive, but I give FFXVI a respectful pass for colliding Ultima's concept with Clive's, a really nice duality of Antagonist = Protagonist.
FFXVI was so goddamn good, my kind of FF in regards to story/combat/cinematics.
35:15
11:28 just scintillating
Why is the sound mixing in this so quiet to loud to quiet again in the most frustrating places?
Is it just me or is the beginning of the song the final fantasy 1 overworld theme?
It is.
Such foul attaint may not be sublimed through gainstanding!
17:40 Ultima Risen Theme
Do any music experts know which notes are being played during 19:17 - 19:22?
I honestly thought we were getting a typical FF wall boss when the Ultimas came together to make that giant spell and was so hyped. Would have been cool, but an amazing game and final boss still. Definitely in my top 5.
Ultima was all gangster until 33:00 started playing.
The Ultima Risen part sounds like some Koji Kondo shit, and I am fucking HERE for it
Curious to why the leitmotif for Final Fantasy 1 Overworld Theme is used here...
It’s just a musical Easter egg. And there are many others as well, all over the game.
I'd like to believe Ultima in general is a mod to the Lufenians from Final Fantasy I... hence the theme
Clives right hook moment felt like a QTE from asura attacking his primordial god lol
I need them just yelling FINAL FANTASY FINAL FANTASYYYY in the choir at this point