What's funny is that even though in the reboot lara is more innocent, she kills a looooot more people. Like in the old ones you mainly kill animals, in the reboot, her kill count is in the thousands, and it's barely even mentionned. This makes it super weird because she acts scared, but enemies are terrified, and you know you can easily kill everyone. Also, she barely cares about constantly putting her friend who has saved her life many times, in danger She might actually be the bigger psychopath
Yeah, it always felt like the Uncharted games where the story is just about these charismatic, Indiana Jones-lite thieves going on adventures, but then in the gameplay it’s like…a blood psychopath carving his way through hundreds of people
I'm going to have to disagree with Vaush's take at the beginning about reboot Lara. The reboot didn't change Lara from being a psycho, they just made the progression take a bit longer. I think Vaush forgets that she didn't kill people in Tomb Raider 1 outside of major moments. In the remake(Anniversary) they made a moment of her first kill at the end. She never started as a murderer, it was always something built up to. Here's some dialogue from Rise of the Tomb Raider: "Therapist: Would you say that you have control issues, Lara? Lara: Doesn't everyone? I mean... no one wants to feel out of control, do they? Therapist: But not everyone has been through what you have. Lara: I had to take control of the situation... if I didn't then we'd all have died on that island. Therapist: And did you enjoy taking control? Lara: You mean killing, don't you? Did I enjoy killing? I did it because I had no choice! Ana: Lara is avoiding the tough questions. It's hard to tell if she's merely being stubborn, or she's actually frightened of the answers. By the end of this, she may have to face a hard truth about the kind of person she's become." It's not exactly subtle about it. Then again, that exchange is in an optional audio log.
I think Shadow of the Tomb Raider even made that clear, After she floods an entire village (Innocent people die of course) by taking a cursed artifact, she was warned in advance by an "antagonist". Hell, just 10 minutes after that cutscene she feels no remorse whatsoever nor its represented in a dialogue option.
I think it's a tricky topic sometimes, because you can have an empathetic well emotionally regulated human with no issues, BUT THEN also purely as part of the gameplay, have them murdering the fuck out of everyone. The player is supposed to compartmentalise the story telling from the gameplay in a lot of cases. So character judgements should more so be based on the story/narrative they are trying to tell, rather than the gameplay itself.
Thief series had sociopathic/anti-social character (with disdain for outright murder), with a value system centered on stealing priceless objects, and it absolutely worked
Vaush isn't exactly giving new opinions here. I just hate how everyone complains about the new games not being the same as the old games. Like just accept that they are different games and have different writers
I have zero evidence to back this up, but I fully believe Lara Croft's gargantuan chest was actually unintentional. I mean, they had an extreamly low amount of polygons to work with. Her chest was a single square block. Imagine trying to give a Lego person a chest with a single block and then NOT have it come across as though you're giving her a giant rack. Sure, maybe with some more work and better textures you could do a better job nowadays, but I genuinely believe they did the best they could to make an average athletic women. It just came across the wrong way to anyone who doesn't stare at polygons all day. But then, the marketing team ran with it. They made the box art and that render for the commercial. And the rest is history. Sure, that's what Laura Croft became, but I genuinely think she had modest intentions at first.
It may be an apocryphal tale, but I recall it was genuinely a mistake, that she was originally designed with a smaller bust but a modeller made the larger bust version on the side which somehow was not only seen but approved by whatever decision makers were involved
@@TAP7a Also very believable, because again, I don't think the original model is really all that bad. It's the cover art and that commercial where she's gigantic. Maybe that story is about the game art and not necessarily the model. I'm making stuff up again but I've never really bought the horny programmer narrative.
Ngl I always assumed it was just a bunch of giggling computer bros enhancing her chest for a laugh and then trying to see how big they could get away with before somebody said no lmao
Sociopathic protagonists only work when they're written to be sociopaths on purpose - like The Sopranos, for instance. Everything he likes about OG Lara Croft was pretty much unintentional. She was an underwritten character, not an attempt at depicting a morally ambiguous protagonist. lol
Sometimes, very writing simple is best. Look at Sonic, you couldn t have a more bare bone, basic, characterization and yet people to this day find new sides of Sonic to write about. New hidden depths to Sonic. An almost blank canvas invites thoughts and fanfics much more than the wet noodle we had as the new Lara.
@@tonylex3760 I'm not concerned with fanfic. Or Sonic. My point is that he's suggesting that she was written to be a sociopath and that just isn't the case. She was just written poorly. Doing a reboot where she is a sociopath could be interesting, if written intelligently.
@@jakecorenthose2901 I think you can easily get her sociopathy from the early games. She steals sacred ceremonial artifacts from colonized people while making cool one liners. You also have to take into account that she comes from a time when psychology and therapy were not even discussed in the main stream. The average joe in 90s probably would not know what sociopathy even mean. She was just coded that way.
Well what do you know! Finally a media take by Vaush that I actually agree with. I love the original Lara Croft because she's so unsympathetic. I love how she brutally kills animals and most of all I dislike how the gameplay in modern games often feels so automatic. Everything feels like an interactive cutscene. I'd love to play oldschool Tomb Raider again.
They really need current and last gen console remasters. We got one and two on phone, cool, but we really need 1080p60fps versions of 1-6 on PS4, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, PS5, Xbox Series X/S, and PC. They would sell like hotcakes and finally Square Enix would see reason to return to the classic Lara.
I like the to think the reboots are prequels she gets the taste for blood and seed money from these events and then just never stops going into ancient civilizations killing everything and everyone for the fun of it
The reboot trilogy confirmed as much in the original ending of Shadow of the Tomb Raider, because it ends with a cutscene of her at her desk in her mansion, with her butler bringing her tea and a letter from Jacqueline Natla (the villain of the first game). For some reason though, they patched that out on day one. The new ending is just the tea. Literally the same exact cutscene, but the letter that was also on the tray is no longer there.
He mentions doom eternal platforming right at the end, and I just wanna mention that doom eternal’s platforming was infinitely better than doom 2016’s platforming for one main reason: you don’t instantly die and have to start over from way too far back if you fall. That is literally NEVER a good gameplay mechanic. I remember having to redo battles I had already completed multiple times because it didn’t save immediately afterwards and I made a mistake while platforming. I don’t know what kind of degenerate masochist actually LIKES things like that.
"In the first tomb raider game she fights against the traterracotta army and dragon" Nope that's tomb raider 2. In the first one she fights bears, wolf's, lions, dinosaurs, ancient Atlantian creators and a Goddess.
We all want the sociopath Lara back 😢😢 tho I don't think Lara is intentionally racist in the OG games, she just doesn't give a fuck. Also I always felt like Lara is driven because of her desire to know everything, to know all the secrets of the world, rather than material gains. She is rich anyway, and she was also obviously an adrenaline junkie. 😅 I also always saw her as someone who started out on the path she is as a way to rebel against her aristocratic upbringing, and then she keeps going down on a darker path as she goes along ending with her death in TR4. Also I want to add Lara's original backstory: she is an aristocrat engaged to some guy. Her airplane falls down in the Himalayas and she is the only person who survives the fall. After surviving on her own and escaping the Himalayas Lara find her old aristocratic life boring and unengaging, she blows off her engagement, gets disowned by her family, and starts a life of adventure, financing herself from the traveling books she releases based on her adventures. I honestly don't think OG Lara wasn't deep enough, it's just crystal dynamics didn't bothered to look deep enough
are we forgetting that the survivor trilogy is lara’s origin story? like yeah……..she’s not going to be like “classic lara” here because the newer games are before all of that. she also was underwritten in the classic games like someone else pointed out here in the comment section. there it was always gameplay > story so they focused less on developing lara’s character.
There's so many continuity errors and the original timeline it's not even funny. In the intro of Troon Raider Angel of Darkness she killed Von Croy because she claimed that he left her to die to die at the end of Tomb Raider the last revelation. The last line of that game was Von Croy literally saying but he'll be back for her. Tomb Raider Chronicles is pretty much a clip show with Von Croy and his colleagues telling stories about her Anna morning her supposed death. And speaking of Tomb Raider Chronicles and bad continuity the segment that supposed to take place during the timeline of Tomb Raider 3 Azhar killing two guys that died on screen during Tomb Raider 2.
@@Chelaxim oh yeah for sure. there’s definitely a ton of errors. maybe there will be corrections to these errors by rewriting some of the classic timeline in future installments?
The cool thing about classic Lara is that she had an amazing childhood and still ended up being a psychopath. This is realistic because real life psychopaths mostly come from average to great homes. It's a hollywood trope that a person becomes evil or a badass because of some childhood trauma. In real life people just choose to be badasses or evil killers.
Vaush said he played the new ones, but I wonder if he played all the way through Shadow of the Tomb Raider. The reboot trilogy kind of has a long arc across all three where she starts as a college student and hesitates after she kills somebody for the first time, but by the third game, she's started to fully embrace her psychoticness. Hell, even in the first game, she ends up stealthily swimming through a pool of blood and is hardly shaken. Obviously he has nostalgia for the old ones, but I think the new ones are great. Also find it funny how he says it should ditch the Uncharted influence, even though Uncharted was inspired by Tomb Raider in the first place.
@@isafatcat I would say it is worth it, it's my personal favorite of the recent three. However, it is pretty different from the other two. Much less combat encounters, much more focus on exploration. There are more tombs, and much more of an emphasis on traversal. Shadow also has the best combat of the three games (which makes it sad because you barely get to engage in combat.) There are so many different ways you can kill enemies, you can drag them underwater and snap their neck or shoot them from a perch in a tree and string them up like some Predator-type shit. Also, there's the new mud-covering feature, which somehow makes the combat encounters feel more gritty and badass. Traversal is also greatly improved, and it is genuinely fun. The environments are gorgeous, much more so than the other two... Shadow is really one of the best looking modern games out there. As for the story, it's nothing special. Pretty much the same as the other two games. Lara is also grittier and a bit more of a psychopath, she's evolved to properly fit her role as an archaeologist/rambo-killer. I really don't get why people rag on Shadow so much, maybe just because it is more experimental than the other two. Overall, I would recommend it if you found some enjoyment in the other two games, and you enjoy more puzzles (they're also more difficult in Shadow), less but better combat, more exploration and improved traversal, and beautiful Jungle environments.
@@isafatcat It's my favorite of the three, so definitely. If you played the first two recently, going right into the third might be a bit too much of the similar formula, so maybe give it like a month break, but definitely worth it to go back and check out.
Eh, I guess. But not really. Lara kinda goes back and forth on killing people, and then not being happy about it. She pretty much had the same arc across the three games repeated. And then in cutscenes it would not show her as powerful or confident as she was in gameplay. She should be okay with killing by at least the second game with how many she kills, but she instead isn't. And the new games totally copied Uncharted. It's pretty much OG Tomb Raider inspired Uncharted, and then the new Tomb Raider took ideas from Uncharted
She wasn't originally a colonial british aristocrat, she started out as lara cruz a latin woman but the devs changed it for some reason and made her how she is. maybe to be more relateable since it was an english company. Other than that in her backstory she really did have a real interest in ancient cultures and when she fully committed to it her family disowned her. That mansion is actually like a hand me down from a sympathetic aunt or something I believe, and she says she does only do what she does for sport. As for the only wanting stuff for her mansion thing she does have a trophy room in her mansion but I think it's more meant to be like dangerous magical artifacts being safer in her hands than bad guys.
Hell yeah. The idea that all protagonists need to be "sympathetic" leads to very generic storytelling. Take Loki for example, the main reason people wanted a Loki TV series is because having a villain protagonist would be badass. But they made him... not. It's okay to like, and root for villains in fiction.
Right? I still like the TV series but this sudden turn he takes felt like kind of a let down for me. It really appears like the main reason Sylvie exists is to take all the issues, all the emotional work upon herself so it wouldn't have to be the protagonist acting like an ass he is when he's a secondary character.
@@hekatebleble4800 I’m still convinced that Loki tv show was made for those people who lust after Loki with that “he’s really not that bad! I can fix him!” attitude. Seeing him turn out to be the good guy protagonist all along (sorta) is exactly the kind of indulgent fanfics they would write.
I do have to say, the push to make every character "relatable" truly dilutes narrative, and it's basically fueled by the desire to be as appealing to as many people as possible for money.
True. And what grates me most about the loki series is the dissonance between the fact that they keep acting like hes the same traumatized mentally fucked dude from the avengers in 2012 while all he shows himself to be is an uwu soft boy. I really think the series wouldve been genuinely memorable if they at least attempted to work with who Loki was, cause theres so much untapped potential there. Like theres a reason most fans of his think the height of his character was between 2011-2013 when he was still... Loki.
7:18 FUCK YEAH this guy is spot on. I literally made a sexy Lara Croft Catfight animation because I seriously thought they bastardized her character too much. The survival route is so lame for a character as amazing as Lara Croft to take. She should have huge knockers, totally sexless, a lunatic, femme fatale, who does whatever she wants, and fights dinasours and dragons. Thats infinitely more compelling than a Nathan Drake Knock off. Such a shame to see but I'd be so down for a reboot. The COD Lara looked awful, another college chick. Lara should be in her early 30's, but physically in her prime.
True! Bond's world-saving actions seem primarily driven by the thrill of adventure. Watching many of the early films like 'Dr. No,' I got the impression that Bond only accepted the mission largely due to the appealing location because it seem like he just treats his missions as vacations. Additionally, his demeanor suggests that he only sabotaged Dr. No's plans not out of a love for the world or concern for people, but rather to irritate his adversary and increase his allure to the woman he was with 😂. So not a good person but definitely a cool one
2:58 "She was originally designed as a PSYCHOPATH... in the original design she was in some ways a CRIMINAL, THIEF, and MURDERER. But the truth is irrelevant -- because so many people know and love Lara Croft." - Eric Lindstrom, creative director of Tomb Raider: Underworld at Crystal Dynamics "I'm a dangerous girl." "You don't want to see my dangerous side." "I'd hate for you to become a personal problem that I have to come back and tidy up." "Let’s hope you feel safe out here when it gets dark." - Lara Croft, Tomb Raider 6: Angel of Darkness
Meh she still more or less act the same for the 3 modren games she never turns into a bloodthristy murder like in legedend and underworld I dont she how they establish she will turn into that
honestly, i wish they had reboot lara be the lara from the previous game in "shadow of tomb raider" before the reboot (with a bonus of some reasonable eye candy costumes)
You got the perfect controls in the remastered. It keeps the gameplay exactly how it is but with modern movement on your left analog. They absolutely nailed it
You absolutely need to check out that fan made update to the opening level in Tomb Raider II. Came out about 4 years ago or so, and it’s a perfect update to me!
I mean... she does have that terriefied old butler that seems scared to death of not catering to her for even half a second and gets regularly locked in the fridge.
I love how human and emotional Lara feels in the new gen Tomb Raiders. It allows for incredible character development and really pulls you into the experience. The old Lara feels exactly the same at the beginning of the game as she does at the end; robotic Mary Sue that doesn't talk much.
Lara is *not* supposed to have "character development". She is supposed to be a childless, 40 something year old psychopath that likes to slaughter majestic wildlife and rip off indigineous cultures of their artefacts. She's also not a Mary Sue since she dies easily and has skills that are easily acquirable if ou have enough money.
I’ve never seen Lara as a weird psycho that likes killing… But, I wouldn’t mind playing a game where you play as a British dommy mommy who gets horny for adventure and killing mythical creatures. That sounds rad. The reboot was too boring and miserable. They also had a weird obsession with depicting Lara’s death in some REALLY messed up ways. Like, someone in the dev team has a fetish for women dying horribly.
I don't agree with you that the old lara croft was a psychopath (well, I'm talking ONLY about the first part) so, there she was an intelligent, well-educated and cultured person, a seeker of TRUTH
It's pretty obvious that a lot of people haven't played Tomb Raider Legend/Anniversary/Underworld, because those games were aiming to be slightly modernized takes on Lara Croft with some influence from the films bleeding in. Lara is a wealthy, sadistic sociopath. That's the character as she existed in the early games and the LAU reboot. The 1995 design document describes her as "a modern day adventurer and procure of rare artificats which she relieves from Johnny Foreigner with the gay abandon of a five-year-old stealing Mars Bars from the local cornershop." The Doppleganger in the LAU trilogy further emphasizes this idea. The Doppleganger is a refined version of Lara Croft. Even more gleefully sadistic. Even more in disdain of humanity at large. People talk about how modern Tomb Raider is "a prequel and it's building up to that". No it's not. Modern Tomb Raider is not building up Underworld Lara in any conceivable fashion. Classic Lara is not intended to be a "relatable" protagonist, but being "relatable" to their target audience, a kind of girl power symbol, has defined the modern take on the character. Now I'm not opposed to different takes on a character. I like Nolan/Goyer/Snyder Superman, for example. But the problem with Tomb Raider is people kidding themselves that the past trilogy of games was trying in any way to be a prequel to Legend/Anniversary/Underworld. It just wasn't. Lara's characterization in Shadow is completely wrong. It doesn't logically lead into Legend. It isn't turning her into an extremely wealthy woman who gleefully kills people who have material possessions she desires.
5:40 - Totally agree with this video. Bring back Dom Lara. The reboot is good on it's own, I like the character and design, but it's not Lara. I don't remember the movies, but Angelina Jolie is so perfect for the role (appearance wise). I remember her version being pretty fitting of the games... I don't really remember though. Edit: Okay it seems Lara wasn't quite intended to be a psychopath per se, at least she didn't start out that way, and I dunno if she ended up that way or if that's just gameplay, which is different from the story-telling/narrative that we are maybe supposed to be focusing on instead. Beats me! I don't know enough.
I *want* to see a Tomb Raider vs. Castlevania game. 'nuff said. 🙂 Play as Belmont or Croft, in a race to collect the remains of Dracula, to revive destroy him proper, while the other is getting in your way.
You know what? I think a backstory that would make more sense for Lara is if her mom was a dragon - and I mean as in belonging to the same class of drains that Smaug does mythologically, except the dragon that was Lara's mother hoarded things because they knew they were dangerous (or at any rate the dragon that was Lara's mom did) and of course said dragon had shapeshifting powers. And of course Lara follows in mom's footsteps, and being half-dragon herself, that's why she has the advanced strength (and why her weapons controls work the way it does). And of course the fact that the surrounding society is racist means nobody questions what anyone in this dragon family is up to. And of course this would mean that Lara is an asshole in the same vain as her mother the Smaug-class dragon, except by the standards of Smaug-type dragons, hoarding things while prioritizing the dangerous items to keep them from people IS empathetic, and would also make sense if it was from the same universe as Middle-earth was once in and the reason a few dragons started this is because they believe that the Ring should have been hoarded in a cave to keep it from people, not thrown into the volcano because the dragons believe that destroying objects like this do not solve the problem because the energy released from the objects has to go somewhere and maybe this didn't happen for a while because that dragon had been put to sleep, was woken up, and eventually went on to groom a half-dragon human to do this work because turns out a full-blooded dragon isn't suited for it, and that half-dragon is Lara. And of course that would also be why Lara has no problem killing the last of a species - the family history says that versions of this are even bigger sociopaths (and they haven't forgotten the Balrogs, try to talk the dragon out of doing those killings and they will mention the Balrogs to shut you up).
@@bozcomics Wrong her first kill was insanely good... such a great scene. And Shadows was insane, she's like unironically a monster in it. But robotic and badly written character with a forgettable plot is better? Think it's time to take those nostalgia glasses. off
I mean, he knows weird takes give him a lot of attention and kinda feed his ego about being "the only one right about this". I be like "yeah no, I'm sorry but thats garbage, however, your opinion and all that shit".
@@CloppingIsMyThing The first kill is entirely undermined by her murdering 40 more people in the ensuing 5 minutes. Reboot Lara's character makes no sense.
My sister literally played the mansion mission training daily. We only had 1 PS and i had to constantly quite mid games so she could play 🤣. Literally watched this over 1,000 times.
@9:35 "Why can't she be a horrible, British colonialist/anthropologist who only likes foreign culture shit because she just likes keeping it on a mantle over her fireplace?" - Cancel culture ruining yet another fond childhood memory. Remember what they took from you. 😉
My cousins loved the original Tomb raider games. Everytime I went to visit them, they would either be playing Tomb raider, Spyro, or Zelda Majora's mask.
I absolutely adore Tomb Raider, the original games are literally one of the few things that my home city is known for. We even named a street after Lara.
Tomb raider 1 was the 1st ever 3D game I have ever played. Then came half life (which got me to work for games industry until late 2013). My fave game(s) ever is the Crysis series. Just amazing!
TR 2013 was better than the entire Uncharted series, Uncharted 2 was better than the TR sequels, Shadow was worse than the entire Uncharted series. I would say the Uncharted series was overall better.
It wasn’t tomb Raider 2 Gold…. Tomb Raider 2 had the training mansion and the last level inside her mansion where all the guards break into her house and you have to kill them. Tomb Raider 2 gold was the expansion for Pc only it takes place right after or few years after TR2
Game designers: Hmmm, how can we design the gameplay to focus on the elements players want (pay for), while complementing a story that invokes the thoughts we're trying to go for Vaush: I wanna quicksave on a ledge and spend 15 minutes trying to figure out how to jump off of it to another ledge
"help me get him jonah" "help me win" the terrifying moment when you realize lara doesn't *really* care. A scene like this did happen in shadow of the tomb raider.
There was a section in Rise or Shadow where Lara just goes absolutely Rambo on these fools and then resets back to her old self when you're done. Idk if that was an homage to OG Lara or what.
one of the guys are Core were probably like "Okay listen guys, I have an idea for a game alright? Picture this. Aeon Flux... But less crack, more dying over and over again"
People nowadays don't get it but OG Tomb Raider IS Playstation. The thing about the Playstation is that it didn't feel like a toy when you turned it on. It felt like touching the systems panel on a million year old alien spaceship you found in an abandoned mine. Tomb Raider is weird and esoteric. It's dangerous and hostile to life. It's like looking up at the piramids and being left speechless because it's impossible to understand what you are looking at and why it's there. Tomb Raider is supposed to be alienating and harsh. It's an extreme and scary work of art that makes you feel insignificant in an unknowable universe. It's important that Lara has a lack of empathy because when you open a ten thousand year old crypt buried, two hundred miles from civilization a thousand feet beneath a mountain you're supposed to feel wonder and awe and the realization that if you died right now no one would ever find your corpse. You aren't supposed to feel empathy.
playstation 1 games have aged like Chernobyil milk, such a fanboy description of the Sony console I had never read anyway, congratulations.😂 and tomb raider has always been an overrated game
@@RevolutionaryLoser I probably started playing before you were born with arcade cabinets and then 8 bits, I literally saw the industry being born. Tomb Raider has aged very badly, get over it.The three-dimensional nature of its game world was little compared to Mario 64 who literally invented and defined 3d in video games, with Mario you had the feeling of moving a feather in a believable world, with Lara a tank in a plastered and fake world. I don't go back to cod or fortnite because I've never played it, you go back to uncharted, last of us or some other fake interactive cinematic/hollywood/blockbuster shit, the evolution of tomb raider and the playstation games you deserve
@@Kabullo76 Mario 64 is janky and overrated af and a terrible example of a "better" game. You could make an argument about Ocarina of Time, but that's almost entirely thanks to Z targeting, which Tomb Raider could have benefited from. But that's going by your own logic. Genesis and Playstation were where I paid my dues. Perhaps you can't see the wonder because you were used to the jank you started with and see them as more jank, but about half of my best gaming memories come from the PS1 days. When I go back, the feeling is still there, only a little overshadowed by the jadedness 0f adulthood. Yes, no shit, older games play worse. That does not remove all their significance for everyone.
@@Xiatter Yes, no shit, older games play worse. That does not remove all their significance for everyone. bullshit, tetris, super mario world, bubble bubble, ghost n goblinS . Zelda link to the past, mario 64 and the list goes on ARE STILL PERFECT, playstation 1 games aged like chernobyl milk, deal with it, i dont give a fuck about your nostalgia , those are facts
Man, I kind of wanna see a newer generation’s view of the game, especially if they play it. This has too much nostalgia for me to get a good view that’s unclouded. But I guess their view would be clouded by a different set of biases. Still would be interesting.
I'm going to indulge in this idea: What would be the appeal of this game? I suppose there's a sort of _There Will Be Blood_ aspect to it. You could use it to highlight the resource and power of the super wealthy, and use Lara to show how her wealth is comparatively low compared to the billionaire antagonist, and you can also use contrasting side characters to highlight the fallacy of the overly woke and compassionate. But ultimately, it should be an anti-story, in the sense that she doesn't grow and change as the sequels roll on. She just finds herself increasingly isolated and cut off by increasingly more enemies.
Being aware of injustice in the world and compassionate for its victims is not a fallacy. This is why this might be a bad idea, you could end up glorifying the things you try to criticize.
@@guidestone1392 I think you missed the point because you didn't factor in the modifier word "overly", which by its very definition distinguishes between having a good or healthy amount of something and having too much of it. I'm not sure if you simply misread it, or if - like the average Twitter wokescold - you deliberately misrepresented it to negate the validity of the position, so I'm not going to assume. But I am going to point out in overly simple terms (see?) that there is a distinction.
Okay…While I enjoyed both, it’s just nice to see a female character who is willing to be the “John Wick” of her own franchise. The “survivor trilogy” (the reboots title) does Star a diagnosed sociopath (unlike the original) and I think Lara is a much more complicated, Lover of history.
You *can't* be a "diagnosed sociopath" because "sociopath" hasn't been used by an respectable psychiatrist or psychologist since 1968. Lara is like Hannibal Lecter and Agent 47.
Vaush all 3 Tomb raiders had a T rex. Tomb raider 1 had a T rex in the jungle area of Peru Tomb raider 2 had two at the bottom of the great wall as a secret. Tomb raider 3 had one as part of the south Pacific jungle area as a boss.
Lol looks like they listened. In shadow of the tomb raider she just kills everyone rambo style. I was just replaying it last week and theres nothing more satisfying then stealth murdering every enemy like a more psychotic batman. And she still steals everything. I got distracted by halo infinite which is frigging incredible. Open world rpg-ish exploration halo with a grappling hook!? Yes please. I never knew the masterchief could become even more of a killing machine, but here we are.
I didn't play the OGs. However my issue with the reboot isn't that Lara is not a psychopath, or not psychopath enough, it's that the writers constantly jump between the two without ever making a final decision. (Spoilers) Just take the 1st game, She starts off as a spoiled orphan and college student, but is suddenly thrown into the real dark shit; murderers, sadists, paranormal stuff, she loses a bunch of friends and quickly becomes a killer. Throughout the game she seems to genuinely want to keep her friends safe and get off the island, but once they do get off, she looks at her dad's journal, smirks, and says: "I'm not going home." So which is it? Is she traumatized from the horrible experienced she just went through, or is she suddenly a psychopath and violence junky looking for her next fix? This becomes a recurrent problem in the next 2 games. She seems to genuinely want to help the prophet and keep the grail away from the baddies, but at no point does she express trauma nor enjoyment. And in shadow, it just gets ridiculous. She jumps from predator mode covered in mud, killing thugs like it's nothing, to sweet talking children, to going on fucking rampages, to get scolded by her friend and feeling like shit. And she kills who knows how many people by triggering the end of the world, only to end up casually drinking tea back home without a care in the world, just what is going on? They could've easily gone either way. Personally I feel it would've made us sympathetic towards her if it was clearly established that will all the trauma she's been through, she can't get a grip, and her life only makes sense when she puts it on the line. But hey, they could've just have her reach kratos levels of psychopath and carelessness, that would've been fun too!
I don't get why he likes this idea of old Lara so much lol she's not relatable on any level to average people. I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that he thinks that's an enticing protagonist to play as and my bimbo brain just can't connect the dots.
New Lara Croft should have been a completely different character. I hate Kunimitsu in Tekken Tag 2 and Tekken 7 But I feel better knowing it's just a relative of the classic character. They should have done that here, let Lara hang up her adventuring gear and introduce a daughter or something lol Instead they had to take away all the things that made old Lara awesome. She used to be a femme fatale Indiana Jones meets a Bond Villain who always gets away, and the universe always struck my to be something like Tintin or Jumanji or something like that, I was fine with it not being Photo realistic. I never wanted the women around me to be like PS1 Lara Croft, so all this crap about setting unreasonable standards for women that you hear these days is just dumb. What is wrong with the world.
What you describing is basically Tomb Raider Legacy Trilogy, where Lara would froze in mid air during a shoot out, if you jump from a enemy, kill everything in sight and fall down to the ground, or jump from any surface aiming to an enemy, it would go slow mo, while shooting, this mechanic could be exploited to shit if you are in a room full of enemies, and Lara was equally detached in those games as they are in this games.
Naw, nostalgia doesn't blind you if you take the time to look past it and see if the game actually holds up. I've seen more than a few reviews for games that reviewers are nostalgic for where they admit that after replaying them they wouldn't hold up for most people who don't also have that nostalgia.
I actually liked how you have to manually jump and grab a ledge in Assassin's Creed 2. I hate how in the modern AC games ypu can jump up a full story just by pressing W. Like where's the fun ya know?
I hate the new games and love everything that came before they rebooted Lara, even the more hand holdy games like legends. PS1 era games were the best though for sure.
My least favorite thing about acrobatic shit in modern games is how everything is marked with yellow or white lines to hand hold you through everything. You never have to wonder where to go next because there’s neon highlights to show you exactly what to jump/run to next
i disagree, dont wanna be running around bigger and bigger games to jump every cliff just to see if this is the point that the developer wanted me to go up or if its just another dead end, mirrors edge was horrible in that regard. What i could do less with is the automatic latching to stuff, most of the time you just have to steer in the vague direction and the protagonist will do a flip dive onto a ledge that you couldnt even see
@@saltking2715 you're imagining taking a game with those handholdy markings and simply removing them without changing anything else. This wouldn't work because these games aren't designed to not have them. If a game was built from the ground up not to hold your hand- like Breath of the Wild for instance- it wouldn't need to explicitly mark every hand and foothold you have to climb. Rather than giving you a single marked route, the devs could invest time in designing the levels to naturally direct you to the right paths. This has been done very well before. New Vegas is a great example; the world is designed in such a way as to show you Vegas immediately upon being set loose, so you go straight toward it cuz of course you do. The game knows you're probably going to try the direct route on a blind run and it makes that path nearly impossible to show you right away that there are some places you just aren't equipped to go yet. There's no big yellow line you have to follow and it works.
@@supershinigami1 It requires practice and skill, that's the point. In these systems, it has a high skill ceiling, allowing those who practice and improve to do better
if you end up streaming the original games, I AM SO DOWN FOR THAT SHIT!!! I miss the original games SOOOOOOOOO MUCH, I was born 1999, but had a lot of hand me downs and my family used to play the shit out of the classic TR games, and future ones as well. I I never got a hang of the tank controls and gun fights when I was younger, but I want to OH SO BADLY play the originals again. I miss the Old style Lara. Not every protagonist has to be a goody two shoes.
I like the idea of a character knowing they are super hot and using it for their advantage but are low key asexual. sorta like Jesicca rabbit, I see some headcanon her as ace
"I love a character who is rich, imperialistic and psychopathic! I prefer this old problematic character, who also had big titts, far more than the modernized sympathetic one for the reboot! She should be as edgy as possible!" Me: Who are you and what have you done to Vaush?!?
Wow I've played Tomb Raider 2 since I was little and I never knew about the T-rex nor that you even could get downthere without dying! I was like "Your memory is failing you dude, there is no T-rex in the first map" and ended being like "Holy mother I gotta turn on my PS"!
I don't think so; and I don't think *she* would as a character either; if anything, in fact: being a bully is something she'd find distasteful and unfeminine- yet she *does* deal with some cruel types; and that *would* lead to some hardness on her part.
Lara Croft went from being this capable bad ass chick to being this overly emotional, but still equally psychotic person. The change was due to the creators wanting the player to feel protective over new Lara. In the original Tomb Raider, you *were* Lara Croft.
“Tell me this woman *isn’t* racist.” Fucking gold lmaooooo
That part killed me holy fuck 😭😭😭😭
Racist? Probably.
TERF? She's bri'ish, wha do you fink?
She is rich and British. It's unavoidable
Wokescolds: Games are too problematic.
Vowsh: Lets make Lara racist again.
It'd make them so mad and that alone is a reason to do it.
Make Lara Racist Again (MLRA)
@@Xaphnir cringe take
@@Fantallana Oh you big mad
@@Fantallana Exhibit A
oh no now without dislikes i think everyone loves every Vaush's opinion :''/
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just use an extension
I try to calculate the like rate.
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What's funny is that even though in the reboot lara is more innocent, she kills a looooot more people.
Like in the old ones you mainly kill animals, in the reboot, her kill count is in the thousands, and it's barely even mentionned.
This makes it super weird because she acts scared, but enemies are terrified, and you know you can easily kill everyone.
Also, she barely cares about constantly putting her friend who has saved her life many times, in danger
She might actually be the bigger psychopath
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She is, and this is on purpose. She's driven by obsession and will endanger anyone/everyone as a result.
Maybe new Lara is also a psychopath but she's one of those psychopaths that perfected faking emotions to manipulate people.
@@motster33 damn, the layers.
Yeah, it always felt like the Uncharted games where the story is just about these charismatic, Indiana Jones-lite thieves going on adventures, but then in the gameplay it’s like…a blood psychopath carving his way through hundreds of people
I'm going to have to disagree with Vaush's take at the beginning about reboot Lara. The reboot didn't change Lara from being a psycho, they just made the progression take a bit longer. I think Vaush forgets that she didn't kill people in Tomb Raider 1 outside of major moments. In the remake(Anniversary) they made a moment of her first kill at the end. She never started as a murderer, it was always something built up to. Here's some dialogue from Rise of the Tomb Raider:
"Therapist: Would you say that you have control issues, Lara?
Lara: Doesn't everyone? I mean... no one wants to feel out of control, do they?
Therapist: But not everyone has been through what you have.
Lara: I had to take control of the situation... if I didn't then we'd all have died on that island.
Therapist: And did you enjoy taking control?
Lara: You mean killing, don't you? Did I enjoy killing? I did it because I had no choice!
Ana: Lara is avoiding the tough questions. It's hard to tell if she's merely being stubborn, or she's actually frightened of the answers. By the end of this, she may have to face a hard truth about the kind of person she's become."
It's not exactly subtle about it. Then again, that exchange is in an optional audio log.
I think Shadow of the Tomb Raider even made that clear, After she floods an entire village (Innocent people die of course) by taking a cursed artifact, she was warned in advance by an "antagonist".
Hell, just 10 minutes after that cutscene she feels no remorse whatsoever nor its represented in a dialogue option.
In Shadow of the Tomb Raider she's so much of a monster that even soldiers are scared of her...
She didn't Go full psycho in the original continuity until Angel of Darkness which was six games in.
Comparing that version of her to Nathan Drake,who's happily quipping as he murders people. Where Lara is horrified by what she's doing to survive.
I think it's a tricky topic sometimes, because you can have an empathetic well emotionally regulated human with no issues, BUT THEN also purely as part of the gameplay, have them murdering the fuck out of everyone. The player is supposed to compartmentalise the story telling from the gameplay in a lot of cases. So character judgements should more so be based on the story/narrative they are trying to tell, rather than the gameplay itself.
Thief series had sociopathic/anti-social character (with disdain for outright murder), with a value system centered on stealing priceless objects, and it absolutely worked
"Tell me that Lara Croft's original design isn't of a racist woman" is a statement just waiting to be clipchimped
We need more mommy protagonists in games in general
I want a (well-written and memorable) big milkers big booty soft mommy as a FPS protag
mommy characters are the best. and i wanna see more
@@Noahthelasercop Kait Diaz is pretty good. Third person game, though. Interesting character in the books and games.
Bayonetta says hello.
@@VicStrange9 Bayonetta's just not my type. That and I don't own the consoles for her, which does make me a little bit sad.
Lol Game devs: The new TRs are prequels, how she became hardened, really wanna flesh out a strong female protagonist
Vaush: I miss nazi Lara
Lmao exactly
Vaush isn't exactly giving new opinions here. I just hate how everyone complains about the new games not being the same as the old games. Like just accept that they are different games and have different writers
They should've learned from Star Wars
The new games did everything but showing how she became the badass.
@@cybervoid8442
They are dogsh*t, especially the last one.
I have zero evidence to back this up, but I fully believe Lara Croft's gargantuan chest was actually unintentional. I mean, they had an extreamly low amount of polygons to work with. Her chest was a single square block. Imagine trying to give a Lego person a chest with a single block and then NOT have it come across as though you're giving her a giant rack.
Sure, maybe with some more work and better textures you could do a better job nowadays, but I genuinely believe they did the best they could to make an average athletic women. It just came across the wrong way to anyone who doesn't stare at polygons all day.
But then, the marketing team ran with it. They made the box art and that render for the commercial. And the rest is history. Sure, that's what Laura Croft became, but I genuinely think she had modest intentions at first.
You would be correct.
It may be an apocryphal tale, but I recall it was genuinely a mistake, that she was originally designed with a smaller bust but a modeller made the larger bust version on the side which somehow was not only seen but approved by whatever decision makers were involved
@@TAP7a Also very believable, because again, I don't think the original model is really all that bad. It's the cover art and that commercial where she's gigantic. Maybe that story is about the game art and not necessarily the model. I'm making stuff up again but I've never really bought the horny programmer narrative.
Ngl I always assumed it was just a bunch of giggling computer bros enhancing her chest for a laugh and then trying to see how big they could get away with before somebody said no lmao
@@endaohalloran6649 and that's why gamers are the most oppressed
Sociopathic protagonists only work when they're written to be sociopaths on purpose - like The Sopranos, for instance. Everything he likes about OG Lara Croft was pretty much unintentional. She was an underwritten character, not an attempt at depicting a morally ambiguous protagonist. lol
Sometimes, very writing simple is best. Look at Sonic, you couldn t have a more bare bone, basic, characterization and yet people to this day find new sides of Sonic to write about. New hidden depths to Sonic. An almost blank canvas invites thoughts and fanfics much more than the wet noodle we had as the new Lara.
@@tonylex3760 I'm not concerned with fanfic. Or Sonic.
My point is that he's suggesting that she was written to be a sociopath and that just isn't the case. She was just written poorly.
Doing a reboot where she is a sociopath could be interesting, if written intelligently.
I think most people read too deep onto old games.
@Vereor Nox "She was better when she was written to be a sociopath."
Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
@@jakecorenthose2901 I think you can easily get her sociopathy from the early games. She steals sacred ceremonial artifacts from colonized people while making cool one liners. You also have to take into account that she comes from a time when psychology and therapy were not even discussed in the main stream. The average joe in 90s probably would not know what sociopathy even mean. She was just coded that way.
Laura Croft: the original sigma female
Well what do you know! Finally a media take by Vaush that I actually agree with. I love the original Lara Croft because she's so unsympathetic. I love how she brutally kills animals and most of all I dislike how the gameplay in modern games often feels so automatic. Everything feels like an interactive cutscene. I'd love to play oldschool Tomb Raider again.
They really need current and last gen console remasters. We got one and two on phone, cool, but we really need 1080p60fps versions of 1-6 on PS4, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, PS5, Xbox Series X/S, and PC. They would sell like hotcakes and finally Square Enix would see reason to return to the classic Lara.
They turned a Mommy Dommy into a Twitter sub and I don’t appreciate that.
Not gonna lie, lara psychopath sounnds more interesting than lara the college student
I like the to think the reboots are prequels she gets the taste for blood and seed money from these events and then just never stops going into ancient civilizations killing everything and everyone for the fun of it
The reboot trilogy confirmed as much in the original ending of Shadow of the Tomb Raider, because it ends with a cutscene of her at her desk in her mansion, with her butler bringing her tea and a letter from Jacqueline Natla (the villain of the first game). For some reason though, they patched that out on day one. The new ending is just the tea. Literally the same exact cutscene, but the letter that was also on the tray is no longer there.
@@josh-oo But why
@@alexparker4244 Nobody knows.
He mentions doom eternal platforming right at the end, and I just wanna mention that doom eternal’s platforming was infinitely better than doom 2016’s platforming for one main reason: you don’t instantly die and have to start over from way too far back if you fall. That is literally NEVER a good gameplay mechanic. I remember having to redo battles I had already completed multiple times because it didn’t save immediately afterwards and I made a mistake while platforming. I don’t know what kind of degenerate masochist actually LIKES things like that.
I remember your first tiger in in Tomb Raider... brah or those monkeys!
First person platforming is always shit
@@professordreadwin7959 Jumping Flash would like a word with you.
@@professordreadwin7959 completely wrong
"In the first tomb raider game she fights against the traterracotta army and dragon"
Nope that's tomb raider 2.
In the first one she fights bears, wolf's, lions, dinosaurs, ancient Atlantian creators and a Goddess.
We all want the sociopath Lara back 😢😢 tho I don't think Lara is intentionally racist in the OG games, she just doesn't give a fuck.
Also I always felt like Lara is driven because of her desire to know everything, to know all the secrets of the world, rather than material gains. She is rich anyway, and she was also obviously an adrenaline junkie. 😅 I also always saw her as someone who started out on the path she is as a way to rebel against her aristocratic upbringing, and then she keeps going down on a darker path as she goes along ending with her death in TR4.
Also I want to add Lara's original backstory: she is an aristocrat engaged to some guy. Her airplane falls down in the Himalayas and she is the only person who survives the fall. After surviving on her own and escaping the Himalayas Lara find her old aristocratic life boring and unengaging, she blows off her engagement, gets disowned by her family, and starts a life of adventure, financing herself from the traveling books she releases based on her adventures.
I honestly don't think OG Lara wasn't deep enough, it's just crystal dynamics didn't bothered to look deep enough
are we forgetting that the survivor trilogy is lara’s origin story? like yeah……..she’s not going to be like “classic lara” here because the newer games are before all of that.
she also was underwritten in the classic games like someone else pointed out here in the comment section. there it was always gameplay > story so they focused less on developing lara’s character.
There's so many continuity errors and the original timeline it's not even funny. In the intro of Troon Raider Angel of Darkness she killed Von Croy because she claimed that he left her to die to die at the end of Tomb Raider the last revelation. The last line of that game was Von Croy literally saying but he'll be back for her. Tomb Raider Chronicles is pretty much a clip show with Von Croy and his colleagues telling stories about her Anna morning her supposed death. And speaking of Tomb Raider Chronicles and bad continuity the segment that supposed to take place during the timeline of Tomb Raider 3 Azhar killing two guys that died on screen during Tomb Raider 2.
@@Chelaxim oh yeah for sure. there’s definitely a ton of errors. maybe there will be corrections to these errors by rewriting some of the classic timeline in future installments?
@@Chelaxim Von Croy was killed by Echardt the Alchemist. The whole game is actually about Lara getting revenge for Von Croy's death.
The cool thing about classic Lara is that she had an amazing childhood and still ended up being a psychopath. This is realistic because real life psychopaths mostly come from average to great homes. It's a hollywood trope that a person becomes evil or a badass because of some childhood trauma. In real life people just choose to be badasses or evil killers.
Vaush said he played the new ones, but I wonder if he played all the way through Shadow of the Tomb Raider. The reboot trilogy kind of has a long arc across all three where she starts as a college student and hesitates after she kills somebody for the first time, but by the third game, she's started to fully embrace her psychoticness. Hell, even in the first game, she ends up stealthily swimming through a pool of blood and is hardly shaken.
Obviously he has nostalgia for the old ones, but I think the new ones are great. Also find it funny how he says it should ditch the Uncharted influence, even though Uncharted was inspired by Tomb Raider in the first place.
is shadow worth playing? i played the other 2 and enjoyed them but only enough to complete the main story and never picked up shadow
@@isafatcat I would say it is worth it, it's my personal favorite of the recent three. However, it is pretty different from the other two. Much less combat encounters, much more focus on exploration. There are more tombs, and much more of an emphasis on traversal. Shadow also has the best combat of the three games (which makes it sad because you barely get to engage in combat.) There are so many different ways you can kill enemies, you can drag them underwater and snap their neck or shoot them from a perch in a tree and string them up like some Predator-type shit. Also, there's the new mud-covering feature, which somehow makes the combat encounters feel more gritty and badass. Traversal is also greatly improved, and it is genuinely fun. The environments are gorgeous, much more so than the other two... Shadow is really one of the best looking modern games out there. As for the story, it's nothing special. Pretty much the same as the other two games. Lara is also grittier and a bit more of a psychopath, she's evolved to properly fit her role as an archaeologist/rambo-killer.
I really don't get why people rag on Shadow so much, maybe just because it is more experimental than the other two. Overall, I would recommend it if you found some enjoyment in the other two games, and you enjoy more puzzles (they're also more difficult in Shadow), less but better combat, more exploration and improved traversal, and beautiful Jungle environments.
@@isafatcat It's my favorite of the three, so definitely. If you played the first two recently, going right into the third might be a bit too much of the similar formula, so maybe give it like a month break, but definitely worth it to go back and check out.
Eh, I guess. But not really. Lara kinda goes back and forth on killing people, and then not being happy about it. She pretty much had the same arc across the three games repeated. And then in cutscenes it would not show her as powerful or confident as she was in gameplay. She should be okay with killing by at least the second game with how many she kills, but she instead isn't.
And the new games totally copied Uncharted. It's pretty much OG Tomb Raider inspired Uncharted, and then the new Tomb Raider took ideas from Uncharted
When he brings up uncharted he’s talking about the gameplay. The newer games play like uncharted with better combat.
She wasn't originally a colonial british aristocrat, she started out as lara cruz a latin woman but the devs changed it for some reason and made her how she is. maybe to be more relateable since it was an english company. Other than that in her backstory she really did have a real interest in ancient cultures and when she fully committed to it her family disowned her. That mansion is actually like a hand me down from a sympathetic aunt or something I believe, and she says she does only do what she does for sport. As for the only wanting stuff for her mansion thing she does have a trophy room in her mansion but I think it's more meant to be like dangerous magical artifacts being safer in her hands than bad guys.
My long time headcanon has been that Lara Cruz was her mother.
Hell yeah. The idea that all protagonists need to be "sympathetic" leads to very generic storytelling. Take Loki for example, the main reason people wanted a Loki TV series is because having a villain protagonist would be badass. But they made him... not.
It's okay to like, and root for villains in fiction.
But the Idea was never psycho Lara in the 1st place. But hay you get that unsympathetic lara in Shadows anyway.
Right? I still like the TV series but this sudden turn he takes felt like kind of a let down for me. It really appears like the main reason Sylvie exists is to take all the issues, all the emotional work upon herself so it wouldn't have to be the protagonist acting like an ass he is when he's a secondary character.
@@hekatebleble4800 I’m still convinced that Loki tv show was made for those people who lust after Loki with that “he’s really not that bad! I can fix him!” attitude. Seeing him turn out to be the good guy protagonist all along (sorta) is exactly the kind of indulgent fanfics they would write.
I do have to say, the push to make every character "relatable" truly dilutes narrative, and it's basically fueled by the desire to be as appealing to as many people as possible for money.
True. And what grates me most about the loki series is the dissonance between the fact that they keep acting like hes the same traumatized mentally fucked dude from the avengers in 2012 while all he shows himself to be is an uwu soft boy. I really think the series wouldve been genuinely memorable if they at least attempted to work with who Loki was, cause theres so much untapped potential there. Like theres a reason most fans of his think the height of his character was between 2011-2013 when he was still... Loki.
7:18 FUCK YEAH this guy is spot on. I literally made a sexy Lara Croft Catfight animation because I seriously thought they bastardized her character too much. The survival route is so lame for a character as amazing as Lara Croft to take. She should have huge knockers, totally sexless, a lunatic, femme fatale, who does whatever she wants, and fights dinasours and dragons. Thats infinitely more compelling than a Nathan Drake Knock off. Such a shame to see but I'd be so down for a reboot. The COD Lara looked awful, another college chick. Lara should be in her early 30's, but physically in her prime.
James Bond and Lara Croft should both be terrifying psychopaths that are only heroes by happenstance
True!
Bond's world-saving actions seem primarily driven by the thrill of adventure. Watching many of the early films like 'Dr. No,' I got the impression that Bond only accepted the mission largely due to the appealing location because it seem like he just treats his missions as vacations. Additionally, his demeanor suggests that he only sabotaged Dr. No's plans not out of a love for the world or concern for people, but rather to irritate his adversary and increase his allure to the woman he was with 😂.
So not a good person but definitely a cool one
2:58 "She was originally designed as a PSYCHOPATH... in the original design she was in some ways a CRIMINAL, THIEF, and MURDERER. But the truth is irrelevant -- because so many people know and love Lara Croft." - Eric Lindstrom, creative director of Tomb Raider: Underworld at Crystal Dynamics
"I'm a dangerous girl." "You don't want to see my dangerous side." "I'd hate for you to become a personal problem that I have to come back and tidy up." "Let’s hope you feel safe out here when it gets dark." - Lara Croft, Tomb Raider 6: Angel of Darkness
Nobody ever disagreed with this. The new games are prequels. We got to figure out how she became mommy dommy
Writing tip for upcoming authors: never do this for badass, amoral protagonists. It doesn't work.
Meh she still more or less act the same for the 3 modren games she never turns into a bloodthristy murder like in legedend and underworld I dont she how they establish she will turn into that
Who here loves the cheesy over the top drama mixed with high fantasy in the Eidos games? She's still a badass but not a complete psychopath.
Vaush finally has a good take. OG no-fucks-given Lara Croft was definitely the best
honestly, i wish they had reboot lara be the lara from the previous game in "shadow of tomb raider" before the reboot (with a bonus of some reasonable eye candy costumes)
Wrong. Your just trying to justify a bad game and a bad character.
@@CloppingIsMyThing You're just trying to be the most woke
@@CloppingIsMyThing stick to writing rainbow dash fanfics
Tomb Raider legend and anniversary were solid too tbh
You got the perfect controls in the remastered. It keeps the gameplay exactly how it is but with modern movement on your left analog. They absolutely nailed it
You absolutely need to check out that fan made update to the opening level in Tomb Raider II. Came out about 4 years ago or so, and it’s a perfect update to me!
Based off the anniversary remake of the original game.
Legend and Anniversary are my favorite Tomb Raider games.
I was staning for original psycho Lara before it was cool. I remember how she broke into museums and gunned down minimum wage security guards.
Truth has been spoken. The whiny joke of the Robin Hood trilogy is NOT Lara. We want our amazing superhero back!
Lara Croft from the first 2 or 3 Tomb Raider games (1996-1998) wasn't sociopathic. You know that
I mean... she does have that terriefied old butler that seems scared to death of not catering to her for even half a second and gets regularly locked in the fridge.
I would 100% buy Vaush's Tomb Raider, someone pitch this to Square!!
I think the next trilogy will be more like the OG games.
I personally like the new ones, specially Shadow of the Tomb Raider
I get big Star Wars Bounty Hunter feels watching this. I would LOVE to see games like that again
I love how human and emotional Lara feels in the new gen Tomb Raiders. It allows for incredible character development and really pulls you into the experience. The old Lara feels exactly the same at the beginning of the game as she does at the end; robotic Mary Sue that doesn't talk much.
Lara is *not* supposed to have "character development". She is supposed to be a childless, 40 something year old psychopath that likes to slaughter majestic wildlife and rip off indigineous cultures of their artefacts. She's also not a Mary Sue since she dies easily and has skills that are easily acquirable if ou have enough money.
The classic Lara is the Duke Nukem of action adventure games.
I’ve never seen Lara as a weird psycho that likes killing… But, I wouldn’t mind playing a game where you play as a British dommy mommy who gets horny for adventure and killing mythical creatures. That sounds rad. The reboot was too boring and miserable. They also had a weird obsession with depicting Lara’s death in some REALLY messed up ways. Like, someone in the dev team has a fetish for women dying horribly.
I don't agree with you that the old lara croft was a psychopath (well, I'm talking ONLY about the first part) so, there she was an intelligent, well-educated and cultured person, a seeker of TRUTH
It's pretty obvious that a lot of people haven't played Tomb Raider Legend/Anniversary/Underworld, because those games were aiming to be slightly modernized takes on Lara Croft with some influence from the films bleeding in. Lara is a wealthy, sadistic sociopath. That's the character as she existed in the early games and the LAU reboot. The 1995 design document describes her as "a modern day adventurer and procure of rare artificats which she relieves from Johnny Foreigner with the gay abandon of a five-year-old stealing Mars Bars from the local cornershop."
The Doppleganger in the LAU trilogy further emphasizes this idea. The Doppleganger is a refined version of Lara Croft. Even more gleefully sadistic. Even more in disdain of humanity at large. People talk about how modern Tomb Raider is "a prequel and it's building up to that". No it's not. Modern Tomb Raider is not building up Underworld Lara in any conceivable fashion. Classic Lara is not intended to be a "relatable" protagonist, but being "relatable" to their target audience, a kind of girl power symbol, has defined the modern take on the character. Now I'm not opposed to different takes on a character. I like Nolan/Goyer/Snyder Superman, for example. But the problem with Tomb Raider is people kidding themselves that the past trilogy of games was trying in any way to be a prequel to Legend/Anniversary/Underworld. It just wasn't. Lara's characterization in Shadow is completely wrong. It doesn't logically lead into Legend. It isn't turning her into an extremely wealthy woman who gleefully kills people who have material possessions she desires.
5:40 - Totally agree with this video. Bring back Dom Lara. The reboot is good on it's own, I like the character and design, but it's not Lara. I don't remember the movies, but Angelina Jolie is so perfect for the role (appearance wise). I remember her version being pretty fitting of the games... I don't really remember though.
Edit: Okay it seems Lara wasn't quite intended to be a psychopath per se, at least she didn't start out that way, and I dunno if she ended up that way or if that's just gameplay, which is different from the story-telling/narrative that we are maybe supposed to be focusing on instead. Beats me! I don't know enough.
Reject power sub Lara. Embrace Fem Dom Croft.
I *want* to see a Tomb Raider vs. Castlevania game. 'nuff said. 🙂
Play as Belmont or Croft, in a race to collect the remains of Dracula, to revive destroy him proper, while the other is getting in your way.
The reboots are good but Lara is young it’s a prequel so ofc it’s basically a different character but OG Lara is mommy.
You know what? I think a backstory that would make more sense for Lara is if her mom was a dragon - and I mean as in belonging to the same class of drains that Smaug does mythologically, except the dragon that was Lara's mother hoarded things because they knew they were dangerous (or at any rate the dragon that was Lara's mom did) and of course said dragon had shapeshifting powers. And of course Lara follows in mom's footsteps, and being half-dragon herself, that's why she has the advanced strength (and why her weapons controls work the way it does). And of course the fact that the surrounding society is racist means nobody questions what anyone in this dragon family is up to.
And of course this would mean that Lara is an asshole in the same vain as her mother the Smaug-class dragon, except by the standards of Smaug-type dragons, hoarding things while prioritizing the dangerous items to keep them from people IS empathetic, and would also make sense if it was from the same universe as Middle-earth was once in and the reason a few dragons started this is because they believe that the Ring should have been hoarded in a cave to keep it from people, not thrown into the volcano because the dragons believe that destroying objects like this do not solve the problem because the energy released from the objects has to go somewhere and maybe this didn't happen for a while because that dragon had been put to sleep, was woken up, and eventually went on to groom a half-dragon human to do this work because turns out a full-blooded dragon isn't suited for it, and that half-dragon is Lara.
And of course that would also be why Lara has no problem killing the last of a species - the family history says that versions of this are even bigger sociopaths (and they haven't forgotten the Balrogs, try to talk the dragon out of doing those killings and they will mention the Balrogs to shut you up).
Bro i get high too, but i dont type shit like that in no YT channel
"We made the fictional woman stronger by making her traumatized and vulnerable"
...and by victimizing her again and again and again...
Watching Voosh play the Tomb Raider games sounds great
Vaush continues to die on very strange hills with his media takes.
Usually, he’s wrong about media.
This is not one of those times. He is absolutely correct. The new TR games look good. And…
That’s it.
@@bozcomics
Wrong her first kill was insanely good... such a great scene. And Shadows was insane, she's like unironically a monster in it.
But robotic and badly written character with a forgettable plot is better? Think it's time to take those nostalgia glasses. off
I mean, he knows weird takes give him a lot of attention and kinda feed his ego about being "the only one right about this".
I be like "yeah no, I'm sorry but thats garbage, however, your opinion and all that shit".
@@VicStrange9 Yeah’s Vaush’s media takes are always semi-contrarian and vaguely justified. It reads more like a joke than a general opinion
@@CloppingIsMyThing The first kill is entirely undermined by her murdering 40 more people in the ensuing 5 minutes.
Reboot Lara's character makes no sense.
My sister literally played the mansion mission training daily. We only had 1 PS and i had to constantly quite mid games so she could play 🤣. Literally watched this over 1,000 times.
@9:35 "Why can't she be a horrible, British colonialist/anthropologist who only likes foreign culture shit because she just likes keeping it on a mantle over her fireplace?"
- Cancel culture ruining yet another fond childhood memory. Remember what they took from you. 😉
My cousins loved the original Tomb raider games. Everytime I went to visit them, they would either be playing Tomb raider, Spyro, or Zelda Majora's mask.
I absolutely adore Tomb Raider, the original games are literally one of the few things that my home city is known for. We even named a street after Lara.
When Vaush pulled up the mansion, I got hit with a gigantic wave of nostalgic too haha
The rare times I yell out Basssseeedddd!!!!! To a Vaush opinion is always a special moment
Vaush basically want Lara to be the same character archetype as Marvels Black Cat (Not Catwoman, Black Cat).
... I dig it.
Tomb raider 1 was the 1st ever 3D game I have ever played. Then came half life (which got me to work for games industry until late 2013).
My fave game(s) ever is the Crysis series. Just amazing!
Hot Take: Tomb Raider remake trilogy was better than Uncharted in terms of gameplay.
TR 2013 was better than the entire Uncharted series, Uncharted 2 was better than the TR sequels, Shadow was worse than the entire Uncharted series. I would say the Uncharted series was overall better.
Too hot; your rice is burnt
I agree with you up to Uncharted 4. Gameplay and story are better in that game than both the first three Uncharted games and the Tomb Raider remakes.
Sony games are more movie than game
Agree, except for the climbing mechanics, and the entirety Uncharted 4 + U4 Lost Legacy
Hot Take: Uncharted Lost Legacy is a good Tomb Raider game.
Most based opinion Vaush has ever had. OG Lara is the best
It wasn’t tomb Raider 2 Gold…. Tomb Raider 2 had the training mansion and the last level inside her mansion where all the guards break into her house and you have to kill them. Tomb Raider 2 gold was the expansion for Pc only it takes place right after or few years after TR2
Game designers: Hmmm, how can we design the gameplay to focus on the elements players want (pay for), while complementing a story that invokes the thoughts we're trying to go for
Vaush: I wanna quicksave on a ledge and spend 15 minutes trying to figure out how to jump off of it to another ledge
"help me get him jonah" "help me win" the terrifying moment when you realize lara doesn't *really* care.
A scene like this did happen in shadow of the tomb raider.
There was a section in Rise or Shadow where Lara just goes absolutely Rambo on these fools and then resets back to her old self when you're done. Idk if that was an homage to OG Lara or what.
Lara croft is just fem postal dude
I thought more Duke Nukem - an OP PoS.
one of the guys are Core were probably like
"Okay listen guys, I have an idea for a game alright? Picture this.
Aeon Flux... But less crack, more dying over and over again"
People nowadays don't get it but OG Tomb Raider IS Playstation. The thing about the Playstation is that it didn't feel like a toy when you turned it on. It felt like touching the systems panel on a million year old alien spaceship you found in an abandoned mine. Tomb Raider is weird and esoteric. It's dangerous and hostile to life. It's like looking up at the piramids and being left speechless because it's impossible to understand what you are looking at and why it's there. Tomb Raider is supposed to be alienating and harsh. It's an extreme and scary work of art that makes you feel insignificant in an unknowable universe. It's important that Lara has a lack of empathy because when you open a ten thousand year old crypt buried, two hundred miles from civilization a thousand feet beneath a mountain you're supposed to feel wonder and awe and the realization that if you died right now no one would ever find your corpse. You aren't supposed to feel empathy.
playstation 1 games have aged like Chernobyil milk, such a fanboy description of the Sony console I had never read anyway, congratulations.😂
and tomb raider has always been an overrated game
@@Kabullo76 Good for you. I hope you enjoy Call of Duty or Apex Legends or whatever it is you like playing.
@@RevolutionaryLoser I probably started playing before you were born with arcade cabinets and then 8 bits, I literally saw the industry being born. Tomb Raider has aged very badly, get over it.The three-dimensional nature of its game world was little compared to Mario 64 who literally invented and defined 3d in video games, with Mario you had the feeling of moving a feather in a believable world, with Lara a tank in a plastered and fake world. I don't go back to cod or fortnite because I've never played it, you go back to uncharted, last of us or some other fake interactive cinematic/hollywood/blockbuster shit, the evolution of tomb raider and the playstation games you deserve
@@Kabullo76 Mario 64 is janky and overrated af and a terrible example of a "better" game. You could make an argument about Ocarina of Time, but that's almost entirely thanks to Z targeting, which Tomb Raider could have benefited from.
But that's going by your own logic. Genesis and Playstation were where I paid my dues. Perhaps you can't see the wonder because you were used to the jank you started with and see them as more jank, but about half of my best gaming memories come from the PS1 days. When I go back, the feeling is still there, only a little overshadowed by the jadedness 0f adulthood.
Yes, no shit, older games play worse. That does not remove all their significance for everyone.
@@Xiatter Yes, no shit, older games play worse. That does not remove all their significance for everyone.
bullshit, tetris, super mario world, bubble bubble, ghost n goblinS . Zelda link to the past, mario 64 and the list goes on ARE STILL PERFECT, playstation 1 games aged like chernobyl milk, deal with it, i dont give a fuck about your nostalgia , those are facts
Vaush: Laura
Me: REEEEEEEEEEE
Man, I kind of wanna see a newer generation’s view of the game, especially if they play it. This has too much nostalgia for me to get a good view that’s unclouded. But I guess their view would be clouded by a different set of biases. Still would be interesting.
Watch out, TJ Kirk literally got news articles written about his misoginy when he said essentially the same thing back in the day xD
No he didn't he was crying about muh triangle boobs
No he didn't. He was talking about how a actresses tits were too small
@@3crowsinatrenchcoat yes, it's not the same, i'm being facetious
I'm going to indulge in this idea: What would be the appeal of this game? I suppose there's a sort of _There Will Be Blood_ aspect to it. You could use it to highlight the resource and power of the super wealthy, and use Lara to show how her wealth is comparatively low compared to the billionaire antagonist, and you can also use contrasting side characters to highlight the fallacy of the overly woke and compassionate. But ultimately, it should be an anti-story, in the sense that she doesn't grow and change as the sequels roll on. She just finds herself increasingly isolated and cut off by increasingly more enemies.
Being aware of injustice in the world and compassionate for its victims is not a fallacy. This is why this might be a bad idea, you could end up glorifying the things you try to criticize.
@@guidestone1392 I think you missed the point because you didn't factor in the modifier word "overly", which by its very definition distinguishes between having a good or healthy amount of something and having too much of it.
I'm not sure if you simply misread it, or if - like the average Twitter wokescold - you deliberately misrepresented it to negate the validity of the position, so I'm not going to assume. But I am going to point out in overly simple terms (see?) that there is a distinction.
Okay…While I enjoyed both, it’s just nice to see a female character who is willing to be the “John Wick” of her own franchise.
The “survivor trilogy” (the reboots title) does Star a diagnosed sociopath (unlike the original) and I think Lara is a much more complicated, Lover of history.
You *can't* be a "diagnosed sociopath" because "sociopath" hasn't been used by an respectable psychiatrist or psychologist since 1968. Lara is like Hannibal Lecter and Agent 47.
Vaush all 3 Tomb raiders had a T rex.
Tomb raider 1 had a T rex in the jungle area of Peru
Tomb raider 2 had two at the bottom of the great wall as a secret.
Tomb raider 3 had one as part of the south Pacific jungle area as a boss.
Lol looks like they listened. In shadow of the tomb raider she just kills everyone rambo style. I was just replaying it last week and theres nothing more satisfying then stealth murdering every enemy like a more psychotic batman. And she still steals everything.
I got distracted by halo infinite which is frigging incredible. Open world rpg-ish exploration halo with a grappling hook!? Yes please. I never knew the masterchief could become even more of a killing machine, but here we are.
Shadow of the Tomb Raider was silly because Lara is meant to primarily kill majestic wildlife. Wiping out an army Rambo style is cringey.
YESS OLD SCHOOL LARA IS THE MOST BADASS CHARACTER OF THE 90'S, CHANGE MY MIND.
I remember fuckin around in the tomb raider 2 mansion and locking the butler in the meat freezer
In TR 2 you literally used him as live target practice but sure people insist she wasn't a sociopath.
The fact that this was a fucking Metro stream is hilarious.
I didn't play the OGs. However my issue with the reboot isn't that Lara is not a psychopath, or not psychopath enough, it's that the writers constantly jump between the two without ever making a final decision. (Spoilers)
Just take the 1st game, She starts off as a spoiled orphan and college student, but is suddenly thrown into the real dark shit; murderers, sadists, paranormal stuff, she loses a bunch of friends and quickly becomes a killer. Throughout the game she seems to genuinely want to keep her friends safe and get off the island, but once they do get off, she looks at her dad's journal, smirks, and says: "I'm not going home."
So which is it? Is she traumatized from the horrible experienced she just went through, or is she suddenly a psychopath and violence junky looking for her next fix?
This becomes a recurrent problem in the next 2 games. She seems to genuinely want to help the prophet and keep the grail away from the baddies, but at no point does she express trauma nor enjoyment.
And in shadow, it just gets ridiculous. She jumps from predator mode covered in mud, killing thugs like it's nothing, to sweet talking children, to going on fucking rampages, to get scolded by her friend and feeling like shit. And she kills who knows how many people by triggering the end of the world, only to end up casually drinking tea back home without a care in the world, just what is going on?
They could've easily gone either way. Personally I feel it would've made us sympathetic towards her if it was clearly established that will all the trauma she's been through, she can't get a grip, and her life only makes sense when she puts it on the line. But hey, they could've just have her reach kratos levels of psychopath and carelessness, that would've been fun too!
I don't get why he likes this idea of old Lara so much lol she's not relatable on any level to average people. I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that he thinks that's an enticing protagonist to play as and my bimbo brain just can't connect the dots.
He needs to get his nostalgia fantasy till he root in the graveyard
New Lara Croft should have been a completely different character.
I hate Kunimitsu in Tekken Tag 2 and Tekken 7
But I feel better knowing it's just a relative of the classic character.
They should have done that here, let Lara hang up her adventuring gear and introduce a daughter or something lol
Instead they had to take away all the things that made old Lara awesome. She used to be a femme fatale Indiana Jones meets a Bond Villain who always gets away, and the universe always struck my to be something like Tintin or Jumanji or something like that, I was fine with it not being Photo realistic.
I never wanted the women around me to be like PS1 Lara Croft, so all this crap about setting unreasonable standards for women that you hear these days is just dumb.
What is wrong with the world.
I really liked the first 3 ratchet and clanks for platformer action games, new one is great too from a gameplay standpoint
What you describing is basically Tomb Raider Legacy Trilogy, where Lara would froze in mid air during a shoot out, if you jump from a enemy, kill everything in sight and fall down to the ground, or jump from any surface aiming to an enemy, it would go slow mo, while shooting, this mechanic could be exploited to shit if you are in a room full of enemies, and Lara was equally detached in those games as they are in this games.
That was my favourite thing about those games. I think it would have been an interesting addition to the oldschool controls.
"I'm basically a Tomb Raider OG" ~ Vaush
"LAWRA CROFT" ~ Vowsh
You know shit got real when you triggered the Dahaka
A modder remade the first game in the same style. It’s really good
I love vaush's Lara croft reboot
Hot take: if you have nostalgia for a game your opinion on it doesn’t matter
Agreed. I don’t want to hear someone’s takes on originals vs reboots when they haven’t touched any of the original titles in YEARS.
Nah, you can have nostalgia and good analysis. I mean, it's uncommon, but it happens.
Naw, nostalgia doesn't blind you if you take the time to look past it and see if the game actually holds up. I've seen more than a few reviews for games that reviewers are nostalgic for where they admit that after replaying them they wouldn't hold up for most people who don't also have that nostalgia.
and if your goal is purely to be contrarian, your opinion doesn't matter either
@Robert Yeah affecting people doesn't necessarily mean making sound judgement impossible.
I actually liked how you have to manually jump and grab a ledge in Assassin's Creed 2. I hate how in the modern AC games ypu can jump up a full story just by pressing W. Like where's the fun ya know?
imagine playing Assassin's Creed with a keyboard. Actually, imagine playing games on PC at all
@@REfan001 real gamers play mobile
I usually don’t watch the video game streams. But I’ll show up for some tomb raider nostalgia
I hate the new games and love everything that came before they rebooted Lara, even the more hand holdy games like legends.
PS1 era games were the best though for sure.
Classic Tomb Raider gameplay mixed with Sands of Time rewind mechanics would be the greatest game ever.
My least favorite thing about acrobatic shit in modern games is how everything is marked with yellow or white lines to hand hold you through everything. You never have to wonder where to go next because there’s neon highlights to show you exactly what to jump/run to next
i disagree, dont wanna be running around bigger and bigger games to jump every cliff just to see if this is the point that the developer wanted me to go up or if its just another dead end, mirrors edge was horrible in that regard. What i could do less with is the automatic latching to stuff, most of the time you just have to steer in the vague direction and the protagonist will do a flip dive onto a ledge that you couldnt even see
@@saltking2715 you're imagining taking a game with those handholdy markings and simply removing them without changing anything else. This wouldn't work because these games aren't designed to not have them. If a game was built from the ground up not to hold your hand- like Breath of the Wild for instance- it wouldn't need to explicitly mark every hand and foothold you have to climb.
Rather than giving you a single marked route, the devs could invest time in designing the levels to naturally direct you to the right paths. This has been done very well before. New Vegas is a great example; the world is designed in such a way as to show you Vegas immediately upon being set loose, so you go straight toward it cuz of course you do. The game knows you're probably going to try the direct route on a blind run and it makes that path nearly impossible to show you right away that there are some places you just aren't equipped to go yet. There's no big yellow line you have to follow and it works.
Not in the first new tomb raider game. I was stumped so many times.
Yeah and then fail for an hour because you can't get the timing or the way right. No thanks.
@@supershinigami1 It requires practice and skill, that's the point. In these systems, it has a high skill ceiling, allowing those who practice and improve to do better
if you end up streaming the original games, I AM SO DOWN FOR THAT SHIT!!! I miss the original games SOOOOOOOOO MUCH, I was born 1999, but had a lot of hand me downs and my family used to play the shit out of the classic TR games, and future ones as well. I I never got a hang of the tank controls and gun fights when I was younger, but I want to OH SO BADLY play the originals again. I miss the Old style Lara. Not every protagonist has to be a goody two shoes.
I like the idea of a character knowing they are super hot and using it for their advantage but are low key asexual. sorta like Jesicca rabbit, I see some headcanon her as ace
"I love a character who is rich, imperialistic and psychopathic! I prefer this old problematic character, who also had big titts, far more than the modernized sympathetic one for the reboot! She should be as edgy as possible!"
Me: Who are you and what have you done to Vaush?!?
Sometimes you need a bit of an edge to cut your salad.
Nostalgia is the doom of every gamers opinion.
Wow I've played Tomb Raider 2 since I was little and I never knew about the T-rex nor that you even could get downthere without dying! I was like "Your memory is failing you dude, there is no T-rex in the first map" and ended being like "Holy mother I gotta turn on my PS"!
I don't think so; and I don't think *she* would as a character either; if anything, in fact: being a bully is something she'd find distasteful and unfeminine- yet she *does* deal with some cruel types; and that *would* lead to some hardness on her part.
Yes play Tomb Raider! I love the first 3 games!
Lara Croft went from being this capable bad ass chick to being this overly emotional, but still equally psychotic person.
The change was due to the creators wanting the player to feel protective over new Lara.
In the original Tomb Raider, you *were* Lara Croft.