This is a reupload of the original video. The original video had 19 second of copyrighted match footage of Nick Ortiz that had to be removed. Thanks so much for the support on the reupload everyone!
😂😂😂 calling Izaak a “superstar” and saying the b-team is “breaking up” is the most shameless clickbait I have ever seen in bjj lol, you’re a grown man dude. If you can’t grow a channel without fabricated nontent like this then just go back to your desk job
@Sienna Thank you for reaching out. I'll never tell anyone what they can and cannot do. I believe everyone should experience things for themselves. I will say that if you're at a lower lvl, it could be difficult to get an understanding of what's being taught. If you're interested in being around high lvl grapplers and get rounds in, then it'll work for you.
@filipcar96 Issues between 2 brothers, they both have 2 different experiences and I'm sure the story will come out with the both of them sharing their thoughts and feelings.
I feel like I’m the only person on the planet who gets a weird vibe from the B team. You ever meet someone in your life who is totally nice and easygoing, but due to some gut feeling, you just feel like there’s a certain fakeness to it? That’s how I feel about them. They’ve crafted a reputation as these carefree, self-deprecating meme lords who have all the positive attributes that Gordon doesn’t have. Idk there’s just something about it that feels weird. I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe I’m just delusional or biased, but I get the impression that they aren’t as nice behind the scenes as their training footage makes them out to be, and I think these Izaak/Nick Ortiz situations shed some light on that. And Izaak didn’t just part ways with them; him and Craig stopped following each other on IG AND he liked all of Gordon’s recent IG posts where he trashes them. Also, if you ask me, it was very petty of Craig to remove all of Izaak’s training footage from the TH-cam channel. I know Craig said he doesn’t wanna give anyone free publicity, but again, it just seems very petty given that the footage was already public and had been for a while, and also strange since Craig claims he wishes Izaak all the best in his future endeavors. Gordon may be a total asshole sometimes, but I feel like he’s at least more sincere than these guys. I’d rather deal with someone who is upfront about being a dick than someone who is a dick but pretends to be all cool and laid back. I’ve met a few people like that in BJJ and I can’t stand it.
Those are the vibes I’ve got too. Especially since after they all agreed to not say anything about the split Nicky Rod immediately starts making little public digs at Gordon. Just gives me big disgruntled ex vibes.
I agree, i think nicky rod is a douche, i see it in the little things, for example there is a new video in flo with nicky rod training with Rida, and as they fight he invades craig jones mat space and he doesnt give a fuck and keeps going, then craig and his parther stand and go to the other side and he says "i didnt realize it was you" like dude doesnt matter who it is you are invading their space just stop and reset, is obvious to me that he holds himself as superior to others, that he disrespected Ortiz doesnt surprise me, anyway just my opinion!
I've only dropped in a couple times and I train with guys who train there regularly. I've never got that vibe from the B team guys. That said these are guys who have pretty much only done jiujitsu in their lives who are trying to also develop multiple business with a lot of business partners. It's not an easy task.
I feel like this kind of confirms my original suspicions of why DDS broke up. The B Team guys wanted part ownership in the new gym and Gordon said no. Now they’re doing the same thing to Izaak and Nick. Not that it’s necessarily bad, but maybe they’re not being victimized by Gordon’s “poisonous” behavior as much as they let on. Of course there’s whatever strife happened between Nicky Ryan and Gordon too.
Seemed like they wanted to get out from under his shadow. This also was at a time when Gordon Ryan was kinda retired from Jiu Jitsu so I imagine the dynamics were different and Gordon was probably more intolerable.
@@EmbddedJiuSage thats part of it but you also have a half dozen bjj superstars in the same gym trying to make money and a career out of it, only so much profit in a gym and trying to split it 25 ways isnt feasible, they are better off financialy splitting.
@@timothycarey3883 Yea basically this. A gym with Gordon Ryan will be hugely successful on its own, a gym with Craig Jones will be hugely successful on its own. A gym with both would not be more successful than their independent projects and having different locations just expands their ability to attract individual talent.
I would say $75 a class is pretty low, but let's run the math. Students are legit paying $300/mo plus fees, say 100 students (low estimate since high-level drop-ins don't pay). That's $30k /mo and $360k /yr. Figure overhead of $5k /mo for the space, plus utilities, insurance, that's maybe $7.5k /mo that leaves $270k profit. At 15 classes a week, that's potentially an instructor payout of 50 weeks (-2 weeks for holiday) * 15 * $75 = $56k. Jeebus.. $56k for two instructors full-time? This is Austin Texas, median home price is around 500k, median rent is $2750 /mo, that's $33k alone to have a place to live. Yeah, sounds toxic, I'd want a piece of the pie too. Not to mention, the great content on TH-cam they make. That'll bring in 15-30k /mo soon if not already. Everyone knows the algorithm is built on time watched per video, and although their viewers are not over the 100k mark (yet), every one of their subscribers is watching the sh*t out of their content. So tack on another 100-250k /yr by youtube, then the fooken merch.. who knows.. but every BJJ nerd is buying something from them, that could be in the millions if they manage it right (prob not, say $300k). Now that all seems like Fuck Craig Jones!!! Bastid.. making around $750k But wait. There's 5 fucking owners of this gym.. well shit, what's that.. that's around $100-150k each. Which if you start to tack in instructor pay, takes away from their pay.. so that's potentially a 12k drop each, and if they're asking for more because it's low AF, well it can get pretty petty. But Craig, Nicky x2, Ethan, Seth are all-in.. Meanwhile the instructors have the capacity to drop-in, get their competitive edge in for free (steel sharpens steel), make a little money, and still hold down a day job. So the side hustle of teaching isn't that bad. That's the crux, they're viewing the job wrong. Instructors can use the B-Team platform to grow their own platform. There will be sponsorships at play, grow their own content and following on youtube and IG. Get paid the $75 /class and extra for the times when they really need someone to float the school during camps (there's always a camp going on). At the end of the day, B-Team will still have a bunch of nerds who paid a fook ton of money to make them better, and not snap their shit, because they have nerd jobs to be at in the morning. This is the other big value of teaching there. Possibility of branching B-Team out to another location and now you're pulling in nerds at $300 /mo a pop. Now B-Team is a cult like 10P and everyone is rich AF, doing what they enjoy, and best of all.. still teammates and friends who didn't let BS money shit interfere with why they all got together and create the B-Team.. to do what they love. #fuckcraigjones #bcream #nattykings #mexicangroundkarate 🥈
I couldn't tell where you were going with this but I completely agree. You trade the monetary gain for a job that supplements your hobby and personal interests. Or you work in IT like everyone else and only get to touch butts part time.
Hard to make money in jj, if you're only an instructor. I get paid ~40 /hr for substituting at a fairly well known gym. I would say 75 /hr is pretty good deal.
I think you’re fooled by his persona. Yes, he comes across as relaxed and friendly. However, I am 100 percent sure that he is not that person in certain situations as noted in this video. The person you see on the outside is often the opposite of the person on the inside.
My interpretation of things is that B-Team has some organizational issues where it sort of operates like a frat house. Craig is the oldest and so the defacto leader of the group, but it's unclear if his style is effective for leading the room away from troubles like this. These guys are all pretty young and while that's not a bad thing, it's got a slight lord of the flies feel going on when it comes to how they organize and lead.
This is exactly the problem, you want to go to his house and change his rules. People like his gym because of the atmosphere and its not for everyone. You're essentially saying there should be a corporate model that all gyms abide by.
As jiu jitsu grows and brings in more revenue, each of the big names from B-Team will eventually open up their own gyms/businesses to make more of their own money
Small business partnerships are why most businesses break apart. No one really has a say in the business. When you get that many people involved in the decision making it’s just a matter of time it crumbles.
@@KierenLefevre also they have to know its a slow build. The obvious plan for New Wave and B-Team is to ope multiple gyms/affiliations. Seems like things happen and guys are patient enough to get to that point. Could defiantly see Izaak having his own B-Team school, or and head coach. Same with Nick Ryan, Rod, Ethan, Nick and Damian
@@KierenLefevre always much easier to have a clearly defined owner/leader at the top otherwise lines get blurry, especially if people are poor communicators. Coming from someone who runs a family business lol
I've been reflecting on the comments made by Nicky sometime back about the split (*DDS split*). Saying, "We cut out the poison," I assume referring to Gordon. Speaking of his pride and ego. Then recently the split that happen within the B-Team which apparently involved Nicky beefing with these guys who were on their staff. I could be wrong but it appears Nicky more like Gordon than unlike Gordon, whether he realizes it or not. I can see him creating the same discomfort in his own gym just as he accuses Gordon of doing. I have seen enough recently of Nicky that gives that concern. Then given this recent split of some of the B-Team members/staff it only further affirms what I discern.
This was a very good video and I subscribed because of it. I really feel that having a lack of a true coach will eventually hurt the B Team in long run. These guys are building their own brands etc and a good coach can help check egos at the door. The more I listen and watch of Nicky Rod, the more drama he does seem to be.
Interesting, you always curate the info in an easy to digest format. Who are the up and comers at B team now? Can see how there may be friction in a room where everyone is chasing the same dream of being the best, naturally ego will come out.
Definitely odd to see a guy like Nick Ortiz leaving. He’s about as level headed and normal as it gets and he’s staying in Austin too. Maybe there are just too many cooks in the kitchen at B Team? Don’t know but I do like training with those guys here in Austin and I like dropping in when I can. The feud between them and Gordon is entertaining but I also wish maturity would prevail on both sides and let’s move on.
Yeah it's sad to see Nick leave but he is like you said a really level headed and calm dude. I think he's going to do some amazing things in the sport.
Izaak was one of the guys I was excited about. That’s too bad. Not sure if it was being petty or if Izaak asked for it, but deleting Izaak’s footage seemed a bit much. My guess is Craig was more talking about Izaak since it seemed like they were closer.
i think the white belt class is a good idea, if I lived over there id love to go and learn from some of the best. they can still train there all through the day at a higher level whilst helping introduce people like myself to the sport at night
Yeah I totally agree, I think it's awesome. Craig mentioned that the white belt classes will be taking a sport science based approach so I'm keen to see the development of the up and coming white belts from bteam and how they foster their young talent
@@KierenLefevre Friend trains there, he hasnt seen anything like that or any of the owners teaching themselves. time will tell. White to Blue is a process. Hope they execute well
Initialy I had a good impression of B-Team technically speaking of jiu-jitsu, but now I see why it is called this way (B-class). Wait until they split into C-Team
Opening up the gym to white belts is obviously a smart move. Craig and the gang miscalculated when they first started, and now they are correcting their course.
Honestly like Craig said, it sounds like the typical gym drama and politics you will find in most gyms. It's only a "big" thing because they are the most popular gym in the community. They're decent guys, but there probably are some things that they don't handle well (as they're just human beings). They sure as hell create juicy and interesting drama, I'll give them that tho. I'm here to watch and enjoy it.
To be entirely honest, I get some high school tier drama vibes from the whole thing as far back as the DDS break up. It’s just hard to tease out how much of that is legitimate and how much of it is basically marketing… the BJJ really takes a lot of cues from MMA in terms of crafting dramatic narratives. Personally, I don’t really care. I feel like everyone has a right to try and maximize their income-especially in a martial art where, frankly, there isn’t a whole lot of money to be made for an overwhelming majority of participants. I think it’s in people’s rights to change business policy, that happens all the time, too. I just think it’s a bit childish that this sort of thing gets used as ammunition in essentially publicized arguments. These guys are undoubtedly amazing athletes, but I feel like they sometimes act like this shit is a bigger deal than it really is. At the end of the day, just run your school and go compete. I feel like all the extra baggage just taints the sport, personally. But I also come from a Judo background where there is pretty minimal trash talk-at least in the open. People just show up, test themselves, and go home. Idk, these beefs just feel unprofessional, I guess.
I totally agree and before that incident where they had a kid roll with a pro and she broke his leg under 1 minute, and it all became a huge marketing content - B Team went from being a place I would love to train to somewhere I would rather stay away for my own safety
@@joaoluizsn the "kid" was Ethan Crelinsten's brother. Not just some rando off the street. And it was clearly unintentional. Looking at the way they roll (IE not going 100% all the time), they definitely seem concerned with minimising injury.
Great video. If B-team opened up in east Sydney, you'd definitely have to leave. Your current instructor is nice, but i don't think he knows what he is talking about. Poor old guy thinks he's still in Brazil 😖
Wow $75 per class... I'm always thankful for how much knowledge instructors put in to their classes realizing it's really not enough money to make a living at. Hence many pros living in their vans or dojos while they train all day.
Dude $75 a class is not bad. That's an hour long class and you can still teach private lessons ($150-200 hr) and have an entire other hustle around marketing/DVD's etc. You get out what you put in.
@@roryvanderleeden7675 it's more like 5-6 hours work with prep, cleanup. And we are talking about a worldclass gym, literally the second best competitive gym in the world. I work as a doctor, I trained for over 12 years and I expect to be paid upwards of $200 per hour if I am only working 2-4 hours per day. A jiu jitsu blackbelt, especially a world class jitsu blackbelt, would be reasonable to expect the same... I realize we are in a youtube comments section so need to wrap this up but... this isn't swinging a hammer dude. This is years of cumulative knowledge and supervising the safety of multiple children or adults through a dangerous but productive activity. It's not 75/h work.
They needed training partners for ADCC when the gym 1st opened, now they have what they need and have settled in Austin, there’s part of me that still suspects some of this drama is staged to hype matchups
It’s funny that people think it’s staged. As someone who has been closely following along and talking to those involved I believe that the odds of it actually being staged at this point are impossibly low
The owners of B Team are allowed to change their minds about white belts. After all juitisu is a business too, and different demands and considerations may pop out,. They went on the record about it, so the charge of being hypocritical is neutralized. As a side note, $75 to teach a juitisu class is pretty good, that is, if you have other income coming in. Nice reporting. Thanks.
Nicky Rod and Gordon both have massive egos. However, Gordon's who is from winning. Nicky Rod's comes from being a bouncer, model, etc. He's most likely to have a toxic ego in the gym. He'll feel the need to pick on people and feel like the biggest person in the room in my opinion.
Having met him and hung out with him, he's not actually some sort of bully, but I could totally see him having his moments where simply doesn't give a fuck. Same with Craig. Same with any other high level competitive athlete. Few of them are really all that sweet and mushy.... but they still seemd like mostly level headed dudes.
I’ve spoken to my own coach about this issue as well. It’s something that affects almost BJJ gyms around the world big and small. The issue is there is just not enough hours to support BJJ instructors full time at most gyms
I thought the whole point of having a gym in the ass end of nowhere was that you have the space to just extend the facilities. Open up a white belt farm in an outhouse opposite the main building, have one of the superstars teach one lesson a week there and charge $500 a month. If anyone gets any good they can join the main team
It seems like the B team opened up more as a place where they can train. Get better with better people. Strictly competition purposes. They aren't looking at it from a business perspective. White belts fund the gym way more than blue and up. White belts keep the lights on. Now if they're willing to take a massive pay cut to do this than that's fine. Which they can do because their videos sell very well on BJJ fanatics.
Def smart move I think it was stupid in the first place just have a white belt class problem solved more money coming in and have a rotation for staff I used to like Jones but to hear this shit makes me upset no longer a fan I'm a life long martial artist wrestler and body builder I'd never turn my back on someone that wants to learn something new u can still have high level school or practice
10 guys on a low day per class each paying circa 15$ a class if going 3/4 times a week = thats 600$ a week before Tax for instructor WITHOUT a single dollar towards the lease or “the owners” … you have to be realistic here … these guys have to compete to make real $$$, thats just cruzing pocket cash ideally no Tax. BJJ is not mainstream job
This is true. People that don’t run businesses like to throw things around like “just pay them more” or try and simplify things, the reality is that running a business is really hard and there’s many different ways to do it ethically and with your employees and customers at the core of your decisions. 🤷♂️
Sounds to me, and this is just my opinion based on what has been said by the people involved, that Nicky Rod is a problem. Craig wouldnt want to become a rival just yet, being that you wanna keep your enemies closer. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but of all the members it seems he has the most direct issues with people in the gym that consistently end in this same way. None of them will ever beat Gordon anyways, but they had thier best chance with the team they had..the window is closing..
36,000$ a year and you do what you love and NO asshole boss or supervisor breathing down your next and it's not a straight 8 hour shift. Sounds pretty good
Only a matter of time until B Team melts. Too many egos running a small business. Jiu Jitsu is simply not a profitable business for MOST. Not all, but most..
Always seems to be Rod huh? He tries to act like he has no ego with the Gordon nonsense, but he’s consistently the guy that hurts people in the gym and tries to override whoever he can when he gets the chance
That’s not what a hypocrite is dude. If they said something like, “you shouldn’t open your doors to white belts”, then yeah. But changing a policy isn’t the same thing.
This is good for jiu jitsu. It's up to the person teaching to pull in other income. Remember, he was not an owner. He will have to supplement his income in other ways. Welcome to jiu jitsu, unfortunately.
So the DDS splits up from apparent egos, then two gyms were formed in another country and both gyms established around the same time in the same state and the same town back in late 2021, since then the offshoot people who left the DDS have recently had a established BJJ trainer and a competitor both departing the B-team gym, one chose to leave the other was fired from his position….. and on the other side of this DDS split if that is what you want to call it, the New Wave Jiu Jitsu gym partially owned by world renowned BJJ coach John Danaher, also partial owner a multiple World champion in multiple weight classes and multiple divisions across several different competitions is the renowned GOAT of no-Gi Gordon Ryan, the 3rd founding owner is a BJJ multi competition champion but now turned MMA competitor Gary Tonon. This new gym added new members seeking to become highly successful and in limited time became a champion at the recent ADCC World Championships in the 88kg division was Giancarlo Bodoni. So based on my above…. I think we can see who the cancer was and why the DDS broke up, and who is the successful new gym team????? 😂😂😂
Well Nicky rod probably was speaking for himself in regards to the white belts and not the team so idk how hypocritical it makes him if he was outvoted by the other owners
I don't think that makes them hypocrites. They are running a business and changed their business strategy. So maybe they're guilty for talking shit about white belts, but who isn't
It's still a lot better than vast majority of gyms/coaches get. It's a hard life perusing jiujitsu as a career which is why you hear a lot of people repeat the mantra "there's no money in jiujitsu"
Jeeez, is this a boulevard news paper now? Wanna give us some update on the royal family? Some gossip about the kardashians? Cmon ..... we're here for bjj, not this nonsense ....
I don't know what's up with these people/team, but they are FULL of drama. Meanwhile other team is flourishing for example 10th planet less drama and they are all over the the place that even have team in korea.
A few here. And it's IMO and an observation. I think eventually Nicky Rod will break off from the team. He does not seem as intelligent as the rest of thd team and has a massive ego. Listen to the Lex podcast and you'll notice a few interesting personality traits. I don't know Craig's education level but he seems like he has both feet solidly on the ground. He's a good business man. I like Nicky Ryan, but his lack of education does show. He mostly had nothing to say. Great teachers come from highly educated backgrounds. Look at Danaher, Gurgel or Draculino. Hopefully I"m wrong.
Yet, they all would run back to John in a split second if him and Gordon would take them but if you know the story he told them all in Puerto Rico they aren't as good as they think they are, atleast not yet, then b team literally undercuts new wave on the gym location in Austin and leaves new wave with literally no gym, on top of the fact b team runs shit like their idiotic college kids in a frat house, hence why 1 got silver 2 is hurt and isn't even competing currently, 3rd just lost to gordan so there isn't much to say. Those guys have been issues for a couple years now. Hence why John Danaher checked them and moved on.
Once you reach a level it changes and then it is all about the money. These are boys becoming men and they will all need money. BJJ is great but it is nothing more than working out. Eventually they all realize this.
Dont make jiujitsu as a career... is waste of life... get a job... even working MCDONALD get better future than teach jiujitsu for live... MCDonalds teach u become own boss one day
This is a reupload of the original video. The original video had 19 second of copyrighted match footage of Nick Ortiz that had to be removed. Thanks so much for the support on the reupload everyone!
😂😂😂 calling Izaak a “superstar” and saying the b-team is “breaking up” is the most shameless clickbait I have ever seen in bjj lol, you’re a grown man dude. If you can’t grow a channel without fabricated nontent like this then just go back to your desk job
I appreciate the re-upload, and reaching out to get my take. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to reach out here.
Would you personally recommend people train at bteam, why or why not
@Sienna Thank you for reaching out. I'll never tell anyone what they can and cannot do. I believe everyone should experience things for themselves. I will say that if you're at a lower lvl, it could be difficult to get an understanding of what's being taught. If you're interested in being around high lvl grapplers and get rounds in, then it'll work for you.
What is the argument between Gordon and Nicky Ryan?
@@filipcar96 I get the feeling we will never get the answer to that question
@filipcar96 Issues between 2 brothers, they both have 2 different experiences and I'm sure the story will come out with the both of them sharing their thoughts and feelings.
I feel like I’m the only person on the planet who gets a weird vibe from the B team. You ever meet someone in your life who is totally nice and easygoing, but due to some gut feeling, you just feel like there’s a certain fakeness to it? That’s how I feel about them.
They’ve crafted a reputation as these carefree, self-deprecating meme lords who have all the positive attributes that Gordon doesn’t have. Idk there’s just something about it that feels weird. I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe I’m just delusional or biased, but I get the impression that they aren’t as nice behind the scenes as their training footage makes them out to be, and I think these Izaak/Nick Ortiz situations shed some light on that.
And Izaak didn’t just part ways with them; him and Craig stopped following each other on IG AND he liked all of Gordon’s recent IG posts where he trashes them. Also, if you ask me, it was very petty of Craig to remove all of Izaak’s training footage from the TH-cam channel. I know Craig said he doesn’t wanna give anyone free publicity, but again, it just seems very petty given that the footage was already public and had been for a while, and also strange since Craig claims he wishes Izaak all the best in his future endeavors.
Gordon may be a total asshole sometimes, but I feel like he’s at least more sincere than these guys. I’d rather deal with someone who is upfront about being a dick than someone who is a dick but pretends to be all cool and laid back. I’ve met a few people like that in BJJ and I can’t stand it.
This acryally makes a lot of sense to be honest. At least Gordon will tell you how it is to your face
You've met them?
Those are the vibes I’ve got too. Especially since after they all agreed to not say anything about the split Nicky Rod immediately starts making little public digs at Gordon. Just gives me big disgruntled ex vibes.
I agree, i think nicky rod is a douche, i see it in the little things, for example there is a new video in flo with nicky rod training with Rida, and as they fight he invades craig jones mat space and he doesnt give a fuck and keeps going, then craig and his parther stand and go to the other side and he says "i didnt realize it was you" like dude doesnt matter who it is you are invading their space just stop and reset, is obvious to me that he holds himself as superior to others, that he disrespected Ortiz doesnt surprise me, anyway just my opinion!
I've only dropped in a couple times and I train with guys who train there regularly. I've never got that vibe from the B team guys. That said these are guys who have pretty much only done jiujitsu in their lives who are trying to also develop multiple business with a lot of business partners. It's not an easy task.
I feel like this kind of confirms my original suspicions of why DDS broke up. The B Team guys wanted part ownership in the new gym and Gordon said no. Now they’re doing the same thing to Izaak and Nick. Not that it’s necessarily bad, but maybe they’re not being victimized by Gordon’s “poisonous” behavior as much as they let on. Of course there’s whatever strife happened between Nicky Ryan and Gordon too.
I assume it has something to do with their father/mother relationship and passing away of the father
Gordon and danaher still haven't opened a new gym...
Seemed like they wanted to get out from under his shadow. This also was at a time when Gordon Ryan was kinda retired from Jiu Jitsu so I imagine the dynamics were different and Gordon was probably more intolerable.
@@EmbddedJiuSage thats part of it but you also have a half dozen bjj superstars in the same gym trying to make money and a career out of it, only so much profit in a gym and trying to split it 25 ways isnt feasible, they are better off financialy splitting.
@@timothycarey3883 Yea basically this. A gym with Gordon Ryan will be hugely successful on its own, a gym with Craig Jones will be hugely successful on its own. A gym with both would not be more successful than their independent projects and having different locations just expands their ability to attract individual talent.
The C-Team it’s on its way.
I would say $75 a class is pretty low, but let's run the math. Students are legit paying $300/mo plus fees, say 100 students (low estimate since high-level drop-ins don't pay). That's $30k /mo and $360k /yr. Figure overhead of $5k /mo for the space, plus utilities, insurance, that's maybe $7.5k /mo that leaves $270k profit. At 15 classes a week, that's potentially an instructor payout of 50 weeks (-2 weeks for holiday) * 15 * $75 = $56k. Jeebus.. $56k for two instructors full-time?
This is Austin Texas, median home price is around 500k, median rent is $2750 /mo, that's $33k alone to have a place to live. Yeah, sounds toxic, I'd want a piece of the pie too. Not to mention, the great content on TH-cam they make. That'll bring in 15-30k /mo soon if not already. Everyone knows the algorithm is built on time watched per video, and although their viewers are not over the 100k mark (yet), every one of their subscribers is watching the sh*t out of their content. So tack on another 100-250k /yr by youtube, then the fooken merch.. who knows.. but every BJJ nerd is buying something from them, that could be in the millions if they manage it right (prob not, say $300k).
Now that all seems like Fuck Craig Jones!!! Bastid.. making around $750k But wait. There's 5 fucking owners of this gym.. well shit, what's that.. that's around $100-150k each. Which if you start to tack in instructor pay, takes away from their pay.. so that's potentially a 12k drop each, and if they're asking for more because it's low AF, well it can get pretty petty. But Craig, Nicky x2, Ethan, Seth are all-in.. Meanwhile the instructors have the capacity to drop-in, get their competitive edge in for free (steel sharpens steel), make a little money, and still hold down a day job. So the side hustle of teaching isn't that bad. That's the crux, they're viewing the job wrong.
Instructors can use the B-Team platform to grow their own platform. There will be sponsorships at play, grow their own content and following on youtube and IG. Get paid the $75 /class and extra for the times when they really need someone to float the school during camps (there's always a camp going on). At the end of the day, B-Team will still have a bunch of nerds who paid a fook ton of money to make them better, and not snap their shit, because they have nerd jobs to be at in the morning.
This is the other big value of teaching there. Possibility of branching B-Team out to another location and now you're pulling in nerds at $300 /mo a pop. Now B-Team is a cult like 10P and everyone is rich AF, doing what they enjoy, and best of all.. still teammates and friends who didn't let BS money shit interfere with why they all got together and create the B-Team.. to do what they love. #fuckcraigjones #bcream #nattykings #mexicangroundkarate 🥈
That was a fantastic analysis. Agreed.
I couldn't tell where you were going with this but I completely agree. You trade the monetary gain for a job that supplements your hobby and personal interests. Or you work in IT like everyone else and only get to touch butts part time.
Hard to make money in jj, if you're only an instructor. I get paid ~40 /hr for substituting at a fairly well known gym. I would say 75 /hr is pretty good deal.
One thing about Craig is that he's never vengeful or vindictive. Just an easy-going guy with best wishes for everybody. Such a good guy.
Yap, just like Gordon 😅
I think you’re fooled by his persona. Yes, he comes across as relaxed and friendly. However, I am 100 percent sure that he is not that person in certain situations as noted in this video. The person you see on the outside is often the opposite of the person on the inside.
if he was such a good guy then he probably wouldn't have fired his "brother".
Seems like there's a lot of ego creeping in the these main guys.
@@electricjoshaloo Precisely this.
Craig's as arrogant as gordon but without the wins
My interpretation of things is that B-Team has some organizational issues where it sort of operates like a frat house. Craig is the oldest and so the defacto leader of the group, but it's unclear if his style is effective for leading the room away from troubles like this. These guys are all pretty young and while that's not a bad thing, it's got a slight lord of the flies feel going on when it comes to how they organize and lead.
yeah seems like it. Most people just see the appealing side of it, looking at their social media posts
This is exactly the problem, you want to go to his house and change his rules. People like his gym because of the atmosphere and its not for everyone. You're essentially saying there should be a corporate model that all gyms abide by.
I expect tensions with Ethan after the catastrophic injury of his brother and the ugly mockery around it
Horizontal hierarchy isn't a real thing. You need top down hierarchy. Otherwise you have chaos. They seem to have a horizontal hierarchy.
@@spacerat9741that's not the statement
As jiu jitsu grows and brings in more revenue, each of the big names from B-Team will eventually open up their own gyms/businesses to make more of their own money
Small business partnerships are why most businesses break apart. No one really has a say in the business. When you get that many people involved in the decision making it’s just a matter of time it crumbles.
Yeah agreed it makes things very difficult when the primary source of income is split between friends and family
@@KierenLefevre also they have to know its a slow build. The obvious plan for New Wave and B-Team is to ope multiple gyms/affiliations. Seems like things happen and guys are patient enough to get to that point. Could defiantly see Izaak having his own B-Team school, or and head coach. Same with Nick Ryan, Rod, Ethan, Nick and Damian
@@KierenLefevre always much easier to have a clearly defined owner/leader at the top otherwise lines get blurry, especially if people are poor communicators. Coming from someone who runs a family business lol
Another great video Kieren ! Love your work 👊👊
Thanks so much Rami
Appreciate you giving drama the respect it deserves
Great video kieren. Excellent b roll 💀
Hahaha thank you Jordan! ❤️
You’re my favourite content buddy
Great insider interviews on this - 👏
Thank you so much for your comment
I've been reflecting on the comments made by Nicky sometime back about the split (*DDS split*). Saying, "We cut out the poison," I assume referring to Gordon. Speaking of his pride and ego. Then recently the split that happen within the B-Team which apparently involved Nicky beefing with these guys who were on their staff. I could be wrong but it appears Nicky more like Gordon than unlike Gordon, whether he realizes it or not. I can see him creating the same discomfort in his own gym just as he accuses Gordon of doing. I have seen enough recently of Nicky that gives that concern. Then given this recent split of some of the B-Team members/staff it only further affirms what I discern.
This was a very good video and I subscribed because of it. I really feel that having a lack of a true coach will eventually hurt the B Team in long run. These guys are building their own brands etc and a good coach can help check egos at the door. The more I listen and watch of Nicky Rod, the more drama he does seem to be.
Thanks so much for the sub Jim! I appreciate it 😁
Interesting, you always curate the info in an easy to digest format.
Who are the up and comers at B team now?
Can see how there may be friction in a room where everyone is chasing the same dream of being the best, naturally ego will come out.
Aaron, thank you so much! I appreciate the comment.
Sad to see them split up and hope Izaak can find a good place. Any idea where he might train to try and keep up?
Seems like there is just not enough money in Jitsu yet sadly.
Mightve just been visiting but Last i heard was he had been at Vanguard academy
Obviously he needs to start the C-Team
Danaher Death Squad. Watch the video
Definitely odd to see a guy like Nick Ortiz leaving. He’s about as level headed and normal as it gets and he’s staying in Austin too. Maybe there are just too many cooks in the kitchen at B Team? Don’t know but I do like training with those guys here in Austin and I like dropping in when I can.
The feud between them and Gordon is entertaining but I also wish maturity would prevail on both sides and let’s move on.
Yeah it's sad to see Nick leave but he is like you said a really level headed and calm dude. I think he's going to do some amazing things in the sport.
Not level headed. Emotional, insecure manlet.
Too many chiefs not enough injins.
nick ortiz comes across as a reddit autismo that can't deal with locker room ball busting
@@user-ku2tq1js2v not gonna expand on this?
Well done vid with actual journalism.
Thank you! 😁
Izaak was one of the guys I was excited about. That’s too bad. Not sure if it was being petty or if Izaak asked for it, but deleting Izaak’s footage seemed a bit much. My guess is Craig was more talking about Izaak since it seemed like they were closer.
After the Nick comment maybe Nicky was the poison....
i think the white belt class is a good idea, if I lived over there id love to go and learn from some of the best. they can still train there all through the day at a higher level whilst helping introduce people like myself to the sport at night
Yeah I totally agree, I think it's awesome. Craig mentioned that the white belt classes will be taking a sport science based approach so I'm keen to see the development of the up and coming white belts from bteam and how they foster their young talent
@@KierenLefevre Friend trains there, he hasnt seen anything like that or any of the owners teaching themselves. time will tell. White to Blue is a process. Hope they execute well
Great video bro!
Thank you so much lads!
Crazy. I had no clue bro
Thanks Yali ❤
Initialy I had a good impression of B-Team technically speaking of jiu-jitsu, but now I see why it is called this way (B-class). Wait until they split into C-Team
Thanks great content!
Thank you! 😁
Opening up the gym to white belts is obviously a smart move. Craig and the gang miscalculated when they first started, and now they are correcting their course.
Thank you for this.
Thanks so much for the comment
You have found your new content style.
Hahaha the BJJ drama reporter 🫠
@@KierenLefevre don’t think we have a good one yet. Claim it!
Nicely balanced report, thanks for the info.
Thank you!
Kieren with the inside scoop!
Thanks for the comment Adam
Honestly like Craig said, it sounds like the typical gym drama and politics you will find in most gyms. It's only a "big" thing because they are the most popular gym in the community. They're decent guys, but there probably are some things that they don't handle well (as they're just human beings). They sure as hell create juicy and interesting drama, I'll give them that tho. I'm here to watch and enjoy it.
To be entirely honest, I get some high school tier drama vibes from the whole thing as far back as the DDS break up. It’s just hard to tease out how much of that is legitimate and how much of it is basically marketing… the BJJ really takes a lot of cues from MMA in terms of crafting dramatic narratives.
Personally, I don’t really care. I feel like everyone has a right to try and maximize their income-especially in a martial art where, frankly, there isn’t a whole lot of money to be made for an overwhelming majority of participants. I think it’s in people’s rights to change business policy, that happens all the time, too.
I just think it’s a bit childish that this sort of thing gets used as ammunition in essentially publicized arguments. These guys are undoubtedly amazing athletes, but I feel like they sometimes act like this shit is a bigger deal than it really is.
At the end of the day, just run your school and go compete. I feel like all the extra baggage just taints the sport, personally. But I also come from a Judo background where there is pretty minimal trash talk-at least in the open. People just show up, test themselves, and go home. Idk, these beefs just feel unprofessional, I guess.
I totally agree and before that incident where they had a kid roll with a pro and she broke his leg under 1 minute, and it all became a huge marketing content - B Team went from being a place I would love to train to somewhere I would rather stay away for my own safety
@@joaoluizsn what I can't believe I didn't hear about that one
@@joaoluizsn the "kid" was Ethan Crelinsten's brother. Not just some rando off the street. And it was clearly unintentional.
Looking at the way they roll (IE not going 100% all the time), they definitely seem concerned with minimising injury.
I predict this will continue.
Great video. If B-team opened up in east Sydney, you'd definitely have to leave. Your current instructor is nice, but i don't think he knows what he is talking about. Poor old guy thinks he's still in Brazil 😖
Bahahaha
Izaak should go back to Australia and spread knowledge there
Wow $75 per class... I'm always thankful for how much knowledge instructors put in to their classes realizing it's really not enough money to make a living at. Hence many pros living in their vans or dojos while they train all day.
Dude $75 a class is not bad. That's an hour long class and you can still teach private lessons ($150-200 hr) and have an entire other hustle around marketing/DVD's etc. You get out what you put in.
Most active gyms are doing 2/3 sessions a day too. That's like $220 a day for 3 hours work.
Sign me up.
@@roryvanderleeden7675 it's more like 5-6 hours work with prep, cleanup.
And we are talking about a worldclass gym, literally the second best competitive gym in the world.
I work as a doctor, I trained for over 12 years and I expect to be paid upwards of $200 per hour if I am only working 2-4 hours per day.
A jiu jitsu blackbelt, especially a world class jitsu blackbelt, would be reasonable to expect the same...
I realize we are in a youtube comments section so need to wrap this up but... this isn't swinging a hammer dude. This is years of cumulative knowledge and supervising the safety of multiple children or adults through a dangerous but productive activity. It's not 75/h work.
@@JK-nh6jp Good thing you became a doctor, because you would have made a horrible economist.
@@roryvanderleeden7675 good point my guy. I take it you’re a black belt in jitsu and working as an economist?
Loved Izaks classes
Great summerize
Thank you! 😁
Cool video!!
Thanks Alex! 😁
They needed training partners for ADCC when the gym 1st opened, now they have what they need and have settled in Austin, there’s part of me that still suspects some of this drama is staged to hype matchups
It’s funny that people think it’s staged. As someone who has been closely following along and talking to those involved I believe that the odds of it actually being staged at this point are impossibly low
BJJ guys are such chismosos.
Tu nooooo..!
Still waiting on the B team gym in Sydney..
@@rossydee yep
I am haping izaak will traing with the king and Danaher. That would be soooo cool
The owners of B Team are allowed to change their minds about white belts. After all juitisu is a business too, and different demands and considerations may pop out,. They went on the record about it, so the charge of being hypocritical is neutralized. As a side note, $75 to teach a juitisu class is pretty good, that is, if you have other income coming in. Nice reporting. Thanks.
Yeah it's 40$ an hour thereabouts.
I own a gym and I make 10$ an hour on a good month. 😂
Great video!!
Thanks Andres!
Nicky Rod and Gordon both have massive egos. However, Gordon's who is from winning. Nicky Rod's comes from being a bouncer, model, etc. He's most likely to have a toxic ego in the gym. He'll feel the need to pick on people and feel like the biggest person in the room in my opinion.
Having met him and hung out with him, he's not actually some sort of bully, but I could totally see him having his moments where simply doesn't give a fuck. Same with Craig. Same with any other high level competitive athlete. Few of them are really all that sweet and mushy.... but they still seemd like mostly level headed dudes.
$75 a class is good money on paper but if he teaches 2 times a day 5 days a week he isn’t even making $40,000 a year. That is not good
I’ve spoken to my own coach about this issue as well. It’s something that affects almost BJJ gyms around the world big and small. The issue is there is just not enough hours to support BJJ instructors full time at most gyms
For two hours of work a day 40k is great lol what
@@KierenLefevre oh yeah that's tough, and there's usually a few grappling coaches in each gym and very limited mat space
@@Freud_Mayweather
Ha right? Let’s dig some ditches for 23k a year and that ain’t gonna be two hours stints either
So basically 75 for one hour ... And he can do at least 4 hours a day so 75x4x5 days week ....
I thought the whole point of having a gym in the ass end of nowhere was that you have the space to just extend the facilities. Open up a white belt farm in an outhouse opposite the main building, have one of the superstars teach one lesson a week there and charge $500 a month. If anyone gets any good they can join the main team
Smart 100%.
Starting to seem like these B Team guys are kind of Diva’esque d bags. Hope I’m wrong.
Doubt it has anything to do with money as far as DDS situation . It's pretty obvious it had to do with big gord dying and how everything was handled.
Looks like egos getting out of control and no real respect by the main guys.
It seems like the B team opened up more as a place where they can train. Get better with better people. Strictly competition purposes. They aren't looking at it from a business perspective. White belts fund the gym way more than blue and up. White belts keep the lights on. Now if they're willing to take a massive pay cut to do this than that's fine. Which they can do because their videos sell very well on BJJ fanatics.
Def smart move I think it was stupid in the first place just have a white belt class problem solved more money coming in and have a rotation for staff I used to like Jones but to hear this shit makes me upset no longer a fan I'm a life long martial artist wrestler and body builder I'd never turn my back on someone that wants to learn something new u can still have high level school or practice
Is Gordon Ryan the Karen of the jiu jitsu world?
It can be both a smart move and hypocritical at the same time
Nicky rod cant flow roll, from Nick who is all into the spirit of the martial art, that was the "trivial" problem
10 guys on a low day per class each paying circa 15$ a class if going 3/4 times a week = thats 600$ a week before Tax for instructor WITHOUT a single dollar towards the lease or “the owners” … you have to be realistic here … these guys have to compete to make real $$$, thats just cruzing pocket cash ideally no Tax. BJJ is not mainstream job
This is true. People that don’t run businesses like to throw things around like “just pay them more” or try and simplify things, the reality is that running a business is really hard and there’s many different ways to do it ethically and with your employees and customers at the core of your decisions. 🤷♂️
Amazing stuff
Thanks Ollie! I appreciate you
B-Team in Bondi???? Bring it home babyy
Sounds to me, and this is just my opinion based on what has been said by the people involved, that Nicky Rod is a problem. Craig wouldnt want to become a rival just yet, being that you wanna keep your enemies closer. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but of all the members it seems he has the most direct issues with people in the gym that consistently end in this same way. None of them will ever beat Gordon anyways, but they had thier best chance with the team they had..the window is closing..
Imagine not putting up a single $ dollar of your own money and demanding a share of ownership 😂😂😂
36,000$ a year and you do what you love and NO asshole boss or supervisor breathing down your next and it's not a straight 8 hour shift. Sounds pretty good
Only a matter of time until B Team melts. Too many egos running a small business. Jiu Jitsu is simply not a profitable business for MOST. Not all, but most..
Bruh if you’re goin at each other’s throats over Jiu Jitsu BS… you ain’t family. You’re training partners.
Always seems to be Rod huh? He tries to act like he has no ego with the Gordon nonsense, but he’s consistently the guy that hurts people in the gym and tries to override whoever he can when he gets the chance
Mate, $40k a year is a solid base income to live on whilst building your career.
That’s not what a hypocrite is dude. If they said something like, “you shouldn’t open your doors to white belts”, then yeah. But changing a policy isn’t the same thing.
The white belt thing is pretty smart thing
This cut was heaps better anyway
hahahaha 100% it is 😅
No-gi world is very volatile. It feels unstable and trendy.
good idea
$75/ class, was Graig joking? One can’t never tell with him…$75 is shit for a BJJ instructor, is that the usual rate? If so, wow🤯 Not cool!!!
This is good for jiu jitsu. It's up to the person teaching to pull in other income. Remember, he was not an owner. He will have to supplement his income in other ways. Welcome to jiu jitsu, unfortunately.
Lol u must not train. Most instructors who are not owners are making $25-40 a class. The only way ur making 75-100 is for a 1 hour private.
Dude what? LOL you're very wrong. $75 a class is actually fucking solid.
So the DDS splits up from apparent egos, then two gyms were formed in another country and both gyms established around the same time in the same state and the same town back in late 2021, since then the offshoot people who left the DDS have recently had a established BJJ trainer and a competitor both departing the B-team gym, one chose to leave the other was fired from his position….. and on the other side of this DDS split if that is what you want to call it, the New Wave Jiu Jitsu gym partially owned by world renowned BJJ coach John Danaher, also partial owner a multiple World champion in multiple weight classes and multiple divisions across several different competitions is the renowned GOAT of no-Gi Gordon Ryan, the 3rd founding owner is a BJJ multi competition champion but now turned MMA competitor Gary Tonon. This new gym added new members seeking to become highly successful and in limited time became a champion at the recent ADCC World Championships in the 88kg division was Giancarlo Bodoni. So based on my above…. I think we can see who the cancer was and why the DDS broke up, and who is the successful new gym team????? 😂😂😂
Well Nicky rod probably was speaking for himself in regards to the white belts and not the team so idk how hypocritical it makes him if he was outvoted by the other owners
Craig is incredibly intelligent
What was the reddit page?
I don't think that makes them hypocrites. They are running a business and changed their business strategy. So maybe they're guilty for talking shit about white belts, but who isn't
Here for the reupload bump 👊
Thanks so much Mark
75 a class is pretty bad for top level bjj.
You don't train do you 😂 most coaches don't even get paid maybe $50 bucks but you become a coach so you can train for free
75 a class ....damn how many classes ... thats not even min wage lol
It's still a lot better than vast majority of gyms/coaches get. It's a hard life perusing jiujitsu as a career which is why you hear a lot of people repeat the mantra "there's no money in jiujitsu"
Not sure though but it seems that B-Team is maybe not the nice guy team here.
Sounds like Nicky Roid is the poison, not Gordon. That greasy pile ran off Ortiz! Ortiz is a pretty easy going guy, that says ALOT!
Honestly the b team hv some sick line up competitors but somehow i sense theres no proper leadership in the team.hv this weird big egos kinda vibe.
Jeeez, is this a boulevard news paper now? Wanna give us some update on the royal family? Some gossip about the kardashians? Cmon ..... we're here for bjj, not this nonsense ....
I don't know what's up with these people/team, but they are FULL of drama. Meanwhile other team is flourishing for example 10th planet less drama and they are all over the the place that even have team in korea.
Must be tough to run a gym of this caliber yikes!
I smell nick ortiz is lying by his tone.
B team gym is the place where women black belt breaks knee of man blue belt guest for ego then everyone laughs at the guy. Real degenerate gym.
A few here. And it's IMO and an observation. I think eventually Nicky Rod will break off from the team. He does not seem as intelligent as the rest of thd team and has a massive ego. Listen to the Lex podcast and you'll notice a few interesting personality traits. I don't know Craig's education level but he seems like he has both feet solidly on the ground. He's a good business man. I like Nicky Ryan, but his lack of education does show. He mostly had nothing to say. Great teachers come from highly educated backgrounds. Look at Danaher, Gurgel or Draculino. Hopefully I"m wrong.
$75 is good pay? 🤣
For 1 hour its pretty good yeah
Yet, they all would run back to John in a split second if him and Gordon would take them but if you know the story he told them all in Puerto Rico they aren't as good as they think they are, atleast not yet, then b team literally undercuts new wave on the gym location in Austin and leaves new wave with literally no gym, on top of the fact b team runs shit like their idiotic college kids in a frat house, hence why 1 got silver 2 is hurt and isn't even competing currently, 3rd just lost to gordan so there isn't much to say. Those guys have been issues for a couple years now. Hence why John Danaher checked them and moved on.
If Sambo was easy it would be called Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Send all Danaher"s Boys to Dagestan on a Bjj vs Sambo matches. LOL
Once you reach a level it changes and then it is all about the money. These are boys becoming men and they will all need money. BJJ is great but it is nothing more than working out. Eventually they all realize this.
B team will break up by next year. Too many egos
Dont make jiujitsu as a career... is waste of life... get a job... even working MCDONALD get better future than teach jiujitsu for live... MCDonalds teach u become own boss one day
starting to become a reality t.v not really for all this drama stuff
Despite the good pay....lol