Congratulations Michael on getting Golden Haze through the bureaucracy and the on/off loading. Stressful I’m sure but completed with professionalism and skill. Fair winds and happy sailing in the glorious Caribbean.
Just incredible - I was totally absorbed in this chapter. Hard work doesn’t do it justice. And, all the time, you remain calm and focused. Loving your channel and hearing about your experiences (and so much knowledge) Thank you for sharing 🙏
Congratulations. Great warts and all video. A few days delay rather than a load of extra equipment and the wear and tear on the boat makes shipping look like a sensible option. We've been looking forward to watching this.
That was absolutely fantastic fun. I would have started to cry if i had to climb that ladder . You sir are my hero. Safe sailing and tallyho from Albion, California.
Stone the crows - what a faff. Crikey Michael, I reckon you could have almost sailed to the Caribbean what with all the delays - and I thought having my boat being lifted out onto the hard was stressful ... that was stress x 100. It didn't help having the insurance company trying to shaft you either - but you and Golden Haze are there and safe - looking froward to the next vid of sailing in the sun. It's a cruel world.
You made it! Must have been a massive relief as you headed away from the ship. I remember when you first mooted the idea, we exchanged msgs and you shared the costs. On that basis I contacted Severn Star and they quoted around £13k for an 11mtr boat. I didnt take them up on thier offer. However, I am still on the Solent and you are there. You continue to inspire Micheal. Thankyou and fair winds. Ps Bambola is still at Wicor in Portsmouth Harbour I believe.
Absolutely brilliant video Michael. I've been waiting sometime to view this particular operation. As they say here in NZ, shit happens! Seldom do things go to plan however you are now in the Caribbean ready for your next adventure. Take care and enjoy.
Hi Michael. Another fascinating video, thank you. The club I belong to used to crane out out boats before we purchased a Roodberg and as team leader (usually on hull quay) was required to attend training courses on loading and crane operations. One huge no no is riding a load and is a very unsafe practice. The main issue here was the lack of loaders and there really should have been four on board to guide the strops (although at least two.) Great that you made it safely and I am looking forward to your next video.
To be fair the ships crew did all the line handling led by the excellent first officer but the up close work on the boat really needed 2 load masters and divers
Hi Michael. Great video. First of all congrats! You made it, you are at the Carribien and I hope you enjoy the sun. As a food for thoughts: crossig the ocean is stressful and expensive no matter you sail over or get shipped. I'm pleased to know your boat is safe on the other side. Glad you adviced the insurance issue, maybe your comments will save someone's unnecesary stress. Thanks for that. As usual: waiting for the next episode - hopefully it will come quickly with the Martinique adventure.
That was complex. I am happy to see it all worked out. The extra charge was most unwelcome, would that have been something you would of had to pay if you had done the passage yourself?
No charge if I has just sailed in.. plus I had already paid the charge as part of the total shipping fee.. P&M have not substantiated how they arrived at this dramatic increase
Wonderful video that I will keep for reference. A great knew experience! Maybe you could knock out a small (sic) book on the planning stages, spell out bureaucratic steps and forms, technical steps, physical preps, risk analysis, cost/benefit analysis, budget and actual spend audit? It would sit nicely alongside your Crossing the Atlantic one. Sorry about the rip off charge. That would have left me a bad taste.
Wow. thanks for the I sights, I'm now thinking of Sailing over, or just buying a boar in the USA again. Good decision on ditching that insurance Company imho, and so far, I've had great interaction with Pantaneus after being disastrously let down by my former Insurance Company, who rapidly excused themselves from coughing up when needed, I sitting they had never activated the insurance. Would derful to see you and Golden Haze together in the Caribbean, and wishing you a wonderful 2023 and following years of enjoyment there, Fair Winds. Bob, who may get Afloat in a Boat at last in 2023. 👍⛵️✨️
@@SailingGently I didn't mean to cause any offence, most people who have appreciable disposable income fully deserve it. I was merely giving voice to the feeling that sometimes being able to afford luxuries might be a mixed blessing!
@@SailingGently oh awesome! I look forward to your next video. I thought low loadering narrowboat across the channel was pretty neat, but fast forwarding to the Caribbean is *style* …enjoy!!
Excellent video, very informative. After you have had time to 'decompress' perhaps you will share your thoughts on whether it's worth the candle, £20K is a fair wedge. That said shipping does avoid the issue of an orca interaction, a small but definite risk, and for those of us no longer EU citizens, the Schengen limit. As the Schengen area stretches from the Channel to the Canaries 90 days alongside is definitely a constraint when getting ready for an Atlantic crossing.
Alastair hi, I will do a video about the entirety of it all.. it would be interesting to know what it costs a UK based boat heading across via the ARC. Your right rhe cost of getting down to the canaries or verdes is
Well done Michael for surviving, and paying for all that stress. Now, once you've enjoyed the Caribbean I assume that you will want to get Golden Haze back to Europe at some stage. Will you sail her back across the pond?
Nicholas hi, Not my intention to bring her back except maybe to Turkey... but even my boredom threshold needs a bit more than 2 weeks which is how long I've been here..... but Turkey is a thought
Excellent video to start the new year, thank you. You included all the salient points of the exercise and somehow squeezed it into half an hour. The story was told in a very logical and chronological way, making complete sense of the whole operation. You mention a figure of around £20k for the crossing. Would it have been cheaper to employ a pro skipper and to have sailed across? Wishing you many happy adventures in the Caribbean, are you planning on going to Saba? For some reason I have a yearning to visit there one day!
Glad you liked the story Roger. I could have sailed her across myself but suspect re-location costs down to canaries or verdes plus self steering gear and power would have ended up costing a similar amount..
,+*/@@SailingGently Thank you for the reply, just to clarify I understand you are able to sail over the pond single handed. I was just asking that if, for whatever reason you wanted your boat taken over to Antigua and not sailing it yourself, it may have been cheaper to hire a skipper to do it for you? I assumed your boat had auto pilot and by power, do you mean diesel for propulsion? How much would you expect to use on a transatlantic crossing of 3 to 4 weeks? Would that be a realistic timeframe? Please excuse my ignorance as I am in aviation and have only sailed for leisure. I watch yours, and many other sailing channels as I would like to travel further by boat in later years when time will not be a constraint. Your videos are good training material for my future plans and I find your style very enjoyable. Wishing you many fun and safe adventures in the Caribbean. Are you planning on a passage through the Panama Canal? From what I have seem on other channels, that can be a costly exercise, circa £3 or 4 thousand dollars?
@@chrisyarnold6205 Yes I have seen as much from his videos. I was just asking, if you want your boat in the Caribbean and you, for whatever reason, are not able to take it yourself, would a skipper have been a cheaper option to around £20k on the ship. There are a few pro skippers on the tube and I recall charges for such services in the sub £10k range. Although I must admit they didn't specify if that included all expenses now i think about it! A ferry flight in a single engine plane from the US to Europe would be undertaken as opposed to shipping quite often. Both options are used and there are reasons for and against which decide the method you use. It isn't always looking for the cheapest which is the deciding reason though.
Sorry, but no thanks. Can't even imagine how stressful this would be if they had to load a Cat. Despite the costs, worries and stress, seeing my vessel dangling like that, would immediately change my mind to rather sailing the distance. Great video and truly something to think about. Many thanks for sharing 👍 🙏.
I'm still trying to assess the difference between cargo and sailing it.. I am coming to the conclusion that the bigger the boat the more sensible it is to sail it
@@SailingGently Hi Captain. I really don't think so. It seems as older I get, as larger and more "twitchy" acting the vessel becomes. As compensation, I changed my attitude towards the mono hull to a ridiculous wide 40ft. Cat. They are much more comfortably to deal with and make me feel much safer. So relaxing able making a cup of tee without the heeling. Walking without the fear to fall and brake something down in the galley. Fact of the matter is, that for me, my age and the regions I travel, a Cat was and is the only way to go. I know, I know.... many mono hull/bluewater people will disagree. I hated Cats.... Now I love them. Even so it's just 39ft. Happy sailing sir and always fair winds. Greetings from Spain 🇪🇸
@@SailingLaManga Rose I think where you are sailing makes a difference - spain is probably OK and the Caribbean seems to be exclusively cats... I find parking single handed and not as agile as I used to be a smaller Monohull is easier - but I am begining to think my 323 is a bit too small here in the Caribbean.
@@SailingGently This is EXACTLY what I thought and truly believed. I can ensure you sir, nothing further from the truth. "Parking" a Cat is way easier and much more gentle than my Catalina ever was. I am now in a age, where my knees don't work as they should. My eyesight is not that great any more. Just a simple walk to the mast is much safer. By the way... In our age there is no harm to ask for assistance before entering the port and surly very much appreciated by me. Before I start "stressing out" in unfamiliar port's, I get myself some help. Spending some lumpy euros is still better than a "ding" in my jellcoat 😆. You may should try out a cat someday. I believe, you will love it same as I do. The only true downside is the they are ridiculous expensive and in my opinion way overpriced. But again... I am happy that I had the chance to work a good deal out and now able to travel with my wife (some years older than I) more relaxed. Many thanks for all your videos. Last night, we watched your horror report about the pirates ☠. My wife was truly exited and so glad, that you kept you "cool" in this situation. Fair winds Captain 🙏
@@SailingLaManga For a brief period I owned a Prout 33 cat which I sailed out of La Rochelle France with... She was fine except my berth was a down wind T pontoon end and the challange in 15 knots of putting her alongside (easy) then getting lines onto the dock before she blew off (hard) plus an inability to go windward put me off... None the less had a lot of fun with her - got her down to the Mediterranean and back but in the end decided a bigger mono hull - Westerly 43 was the way to go... Now my little Beneteau 323 is enough to handle fairly easily!
Yes James. Your right but the delays in terms of weeks made air fares and accommodation and marina fees in the run up to Christmas frighteningly expensive
@@SailingGently tbh, “frighteningly expensive” was the ballpark that came to mind tbh….but what a great way to spend it, getting to sail on your own boat in the Caribbean!
Great video thanks for sharing, this would be my preferred way to get my yacht to the Caribbean, having sailed across previously. Your video shows the hard facts in detail. Question, having “jumped through all the hoops” put in your path, with hind sight do you think it would be better to pay the extra & go with SevenStar which seems to be an all in one self contained company? Best wishes & hope you have a great time sailing in the sun!
Shame the original company didn't have enough orders. That looked stressful and a real ordeal only to charge you more and no proof. Glad all ended well and you got there ok.
Always hate the seemingly ever more popular business practice of giving you a price, and then asking for more halfway through a job, when you have few to zero options to remove yourself from the contract. Having said that, might be worth the hassle, just to see the colour change in the sea. Hope you have a great time there, you deserve to, after the stresses.
Off Shore Risk Management isn’t anything like you describe it’s a good company and after making a claim it didn’t take much time to get things moving in the right direction.
Well I only write/film my own personal experiences Myron. Nothing to gain from doing anything else. ORM cost me 500pounds for a survey and then wanted the surveyor to go back and verify the gas tube had been changed for a British one and I had purchased a fire blanket... I certainly found them unhelpful, arrogant and a waste of time. But that's just my experience
Really interesting video. Would be interesting to know the total bill. I'm thinking £5k? Either way hopefully you'll make more videos while you are there as they will be fascinating. (I've not been beyond solent and Northern france)
@@SailingGently Can't help thinking after reading that, that my original reply to you about buying a boat over there for the duration was not so outlandish as even I thought. Anyway enjoy the sunshine, you deserve it after all that.
@@SailingGently Thanks for response. Understandable although I sailed singlehanded from the Solent to Scotland last summer aged 82 - on my Victoria 34!
I've done that twice - see th-cam.com/video/zpO0npASlI4/w-d-xo.html but this was just a wish to re-locate the boat to somewhere I would get more use out of her and not wear wet weather gear and sweaters... financially not a lot in it and much less time involved...
It was a relief to see that you made it safely to the Caribbean, eventually. You seemed to take all the set backs in your stride. What a rotten insurer Off Shore Risk Management are! I definitely wouldn't use them having seen your experience. As for Peters and May demanding an additional 577€ and not substantiating it, could you not try to recover this additional amount they effectively forced you to pay them? If they don't want to know by fobbing you off, if you paid with credit card providing the over all contract was not worth more than £30k and was covered my English law you could try to recover it via a s.75 claim under the Consumer Credit Act which enables you to enforce your statutory rights and maybe contractual rights as well, against your credit card provider eg Visa or who ever for breach of contract. Not sure if the Act requires companies to the registered in the UK or indeed whether Peters & May are? I am going through a s.75 claim at the moment through my bank/card provider for several thousand pounds. A friend of mine did similar for a claim around £3.5k for a new motorcycle he bought which turned out to have a cracked cylinder head and the Triumph dealer didn't want to know. So he submitted a s.75 claim under the CCA against his bank. From commencing his claim submitting the claim forms electronically, he had full re-imbursement in his bank account within 3-4 days. But you have to have paid some or all the amount of the contract by credit card eg a deposit typically 10% but no exact figure is prescribed. Anything I buy with value over £100, goods or services, I always put at least £100 on my credit card, then I am covered under s.75 CCA if things go tits up. Loading Golden Haze and all the delays before looked like a right stressful faff. I think I would have sailed across instead. Anyway glad you have now made it safely to the Caribbean. Hopefully you will have some great sailing adventures and future videos to come and most importantly be WARM! Looking forward to your next video down to Martinique. HNY.
Alex hi, You certainly have some litigation experience and I thank you for sharing... I put stuff out on social media sometimes to see if others have had similar experiences and as a warning... So pleased you liked the video and again thank you for your comments!
That was absolutely fantastic fun. I would have started to cry if i had to climb that ladder . You sir are my hero. Safe sailing and tallyho from Albion, California.
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Crikey. Stress level 10 and I was watching. Clearly not as easy as it looks. Looking forward to next adventures. 👍
Stressful and expensive.. I'm here now ...
Congratulations Michael on getting Golden Haze through the bureaucracy and the on/off loading. Stressful I’m sure but completed with professionalism and skill. Fair winds and happy sailing in the glorious Caribbean.
Thank you Stephen..
Just incredible - I was totally absorbed in this chapter. Hard work doesn’t do it justice. And, all the time, you remain calm and focused. Loving your channel and hearing about your experiences (and so much knowledge) Thank you for sharing 🙏
KK I am so pleased you enjoy the channel. Makes it worth the effort! Thank you for watching the video
Thanks Michael. We were all worried and appreciate the stress you must have gone through. Best wishes. Seth
Life's rich pagent! Glad you enjoyed the video
Fascinating thank you so much for this informative video
JR I'm glad you found it useful
Finally made it! Congrats Michael!
It's 100 times more complex than I've ever imagined. 😀
Me too... and I think I know how to organise things but there were moment......
Congratulations. Great warts and all video. A few days delay rather than a load of extra equipment and the wear and tear on the boat makes shipping look like a sensible option. We've been looking forward to watching this.
Thank you Ivan.. glad you enjoyed it... I think you are right... it's kinder to the boat..
That was absolutely fantastic fun. I would have started to cry if i had to climb that ladder . You sir are my hero. Safe sailing and tallyho from Albion, California.
Glad you enjoyed it Eric
At least the English winter weather was kind to you and gave you a good send off !...what a perfectly calm beautiful sunny day for hoisting a yacht..
Your right Benny. It was a beautiful if freezing day
Well done. Thank you for taking me on your adventure.
A pleasure Caarence. Glad you enjoyed the video
Such an inspiration! Thank you Mike and all the best for your next chapter. M
Mike hi,
Really pleased you liked the video. Bravely going where others have been before!!!!
Great video Michael, I hope you had a large Malt after loading, and a large extra old Rum after unloading, well deserved 10/10.
Thanks James.
It certainly was an effort and a bit of a challenge but it's now a done deal and I'm starting to settle in
You’re spot on about the insurance companies, really interesting video on all the costs and pitfalls.😊
Thanks Neil. Big learning curve
Cracking effort Michael and thanks for the video. Looking forward to touring the Caribbean with you. All the best.
Glad you enjoyed watching a slightly stressed me! :-)
What a great insight, thank you for sharing. Would you do it again? Cheers
Not sure John. The costs have increased considerably and the inconvenience and stress was not what I expected
Mounting the camera on the boat is brilliant! Cheers!
Thanks Robert... Mainly single handed fixing the cameras and just letting them run is the only solution I think
Stone the crows - what a faff. Crikey Michael, I reckon you could have almost sailed to the Caribbean what with all the delays - and I thought having my boat being lifted out onto the hard was stressful ... that was stress x 100. It didn't help having the insurance company trying to shaft you either - but you and Golden Haze are there and safe - looking froward to the next vid of sailing in the sun. It's a cruel world.
Yes..Not at all easy all that.. not sure if it's value for money!!
So good to hear from you again. Great video.
Thank you Peter. So glad you liked the video
Even though they are professionals, I bet seeing the boat dangling in the air was absolutely nerve wracking!
I think, Luke, not having any control over the situation was the worst part
You made it! Must have been a massive relief as you headed away from the ship.
I remember when you first mooted the idea, we exchanged msgs and you shared the costs. On that basis I contacted Severn Star and they quoted around £13k for an 11mtr boat. I didnt take them up on thier offer. However, I am still on the Solent and you are there. You continue to inspire Micheal. Thankyou and fair winds.
Ps Bambola is still at Wicor in Portsmouth Harbour I believe.
Thanks for the Bambola news Robert.. had some good times in that boat...Time will tell if relocating the boat to the sun was a good move or not
Absolutely brilliant video Michael. I've been waiting sometime to view this particular operation. As they say here in NZ, shit happens! Seldom do things go to plan however you are now in the Caribbean ready for your next adventure. Take care and enjoy.
Thank you Chris.. glad you enjoyed it.. I'm here in the Caribbean and warm again
very well done Capt'n Michael!
Thank you Dana. Phew...
Once again a pleasure to watch. Thank you for sharing your experience.
So pleased it was useful.. steep learning curve
Hi Michael. Another fascinating video, thank you. The club I belong to used to crane out out boats before we purchased a Roodberg and as team leader (usually on hull quay) was required to attend training courses on loading and crane operations. One huge no no is riding a load and is a very unsafe practice. The main issue here was the lack of loaders and there really should have been four on board to guide the strops (although at least two.) Great that you made it safely and I am looking forward to your next video.
To be fair the ships crew did all the line handling led by the excellent first officer but the up close work on the boat really needed 2 load masters and divers
Congratulations on a safe arrival. Happy Days ahead 👍. Bloody Hell, that was stressful .
It certainly had its moments Patrick! Quite an experience
Well done! It’s not the physical strength or mental toughness as we get older but agility! Hold fast!
Just wish the legs didn't hurt and that it was easier to get a leg over... the guard rail!
Hi, a very informative episode, and more dare to try this way to get their boat to the Caribbean. Thanks.
Glad you liked it.. quite an experience
Great to see you eventually made it to the sun!
Thank you Vincent!
Hi Michael. Great video. First of all congrats! You made it, you are at the Carribien and I hope you enjoy the sun. As a food for thoughts: crossig the ocean is stressful and expensive no matter you sail over or get shipped. I'm pleased to know your boat is safe on the other side. Glad you adviced the insurance issue, maybe your comments will save someone's unnecesary stress. Thanks for that. As usual: waiting for the next episode - hopefully it will come quickly with the Martinique adventure.
Glad you enjoyed it Rafel.. yes I'm waking under a blue sky and looking for a t shirt and shorts!
That was complex. I am happy to see it all worked out. The extra charge was most unwelcome, would that have been something you would of had to pay if you had done the passage yourself?
No charge if I has just sailed in.. plus I had already paid the charge as part of the total shipping fee.. P&M have not substantiated how they arrived at this dramatic increase
Fascinating as usual.
Glad you liked it Mark
The main thing is that you are now where you wanted to be. Time to kick back and enjoy!
Still not properly chilled out.. need a week or two to relax
Wow.i enjoyed this epsoide.❤.
Glad you liked it .. great place to sail
Wonderful video that I will keep for reference.
A great knew experience!
Maybe you could knock out a small (sic) book on the planning stages, spell out bureaucratic steps and forms, technical steps, physical preps, risk analysis, cost/benefit analysis, budget and actual spend audit?
It would sit nicely alongside your Crossing the Atlantic one.
Sorry about the rip off charge. That would have left me a bad taste.
Glad you liked it Lubber and for the book suggestion... Working on something similar as we speak..
Been an interesting experience!
Wow. thanks for the I sights, I'm now thinking of Sailing over, or just buying a boar in the USA again. Good decision on ditching that insurance Company imho, and so far, I've had great interaction with Pantaneus after being disastrously let down by my former Insurance Company, who rapidly excused themselves from coughing up when needed, I sitting they had never activated the insurance. Would derful to see you and Golden Haze together in the Caribbean, and wishing you a wonderful 2023 and following years of enjoyment there, Fair Winds. Bob, who may get Afloat in a Boat at last in 2023. 👍⛵️✨️
Bob I am glad you've found it useful... buying a boat already there is probably the way to go
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Thank goodness I'm not middle-class; It's too much hassle! Very informative as usual.
Glad it was helpful! Ginger... Actually I left school effectively when I was 12....
@@SailingGently I didn't mean to cause any offence, most people who have appreciable disposable income fully deserve it. I was merely giving voice to the feeling that sometimes being able to afford luxuries might be a mixed blessing!
What a performance Michael, fascinating of course, but I don't think it's for me, especially at that cost.
It will take a while to find out if it was worth the effort. I'm in shorts and T-shirt pondering which anchorage to visit first then which island...
Haha, I’m just catching up…I was sure you were in France before :-0
I was in France Jamie. Now in Martinique-French Antilles!
@@SailingGently oh awesome! I look forward to your next video. I thought low loadering narrowboat across the channel was pretty neat, but fast forwarding to the Caribbean is *style* …enjoy!!
Excellent video, very informative. After you have had time to 'decompress' perhaps you will share your thoughts on whether it's worth the candle, £20K is a fair wedge. That said shipping does avoid the issue of an orca interaction, a small but definite risk, and for those of us no longer EU citizens, the Schengen limit. As the Schengen area stretches from the Channel to the Canaries 90 days alongside is definitely a constraint when getting ready for an Atlantic crossing.
Alastair hi,
I will do a video about the entirety of it all.. it would be interesting to know what it costs a UK based boat heading across via the ARC.
Your right rhe cost of getting down to the canaries or verdes is
Considerable...
Thanks. I feel your pain. In retrospect, would it might of made more sense to just buy a boat down there, or charter one?
Bobby I don't know. I must say a 40 footer would make more sense out here but selling and the buying would cost. Will know better in a few weeks
Well done Michael for surviving, and paying for all that stress. Now, once you've enjoyed the Caribbean I assume that you will want to get Golden Haze back to Europe at some stage. Will you sail her back across the pond?
Nicholas hi,
Not my intention to bring her back except maybe to Turkey... but even my boredom threshold needs a bit more than 2 weeks which is how long I've been here..... but Turkey is a thought
Excellent video to start the new year, thank you. You included all the salient points of the exercise and somehow squeezed it into half an hour. The story was told in a very logical and chronological way, making complete sense of the whole operation. You mention a figure of around £20k for the crossing. Would it have been cheaper to employ a pro skipper and to have sailed across?
Wishing you many happy adventures in the Caribbean, are you planning on going to Saba? For some reason I have a yearning to visit there one day!
Glad you liked the story Roger. I could have sailed her across myself but suspect re-location costs down to canaries or verdes plus self steering gear and power would have ended up costing a similar amount..
Pro skipper!
Michael has circumnavigated the globe, don't you know.
,+*/@@SailingGently Thank you for the reply, just to clarify I understand you are able to sail over the pond single handed. I was just asking that if, for whatever reason you wanted your boat taken over to Antigua and not sailing it yourself, it may have been cheaper to hire a skipper to do it for you?
I assumed your boat had auto pilot and by power, do you mean diesel for propulsion? How much would you expect to use on a transatlantic crossing of 3 to 4 weeks? Would that be a realistic timeframe? Please excuse my ignorance as I am in aviation and have only sailed for leisure. I watch yours, and many other sailing channels as I would like to travel further by boat in later years when time will not be a constraint.
Your videos are good training material for my future plans and I find your style very enjoyable.
Wishing you many fun and safe adventures in the Caribbean. Are you planning on a passage through the Panama Canal? From what I have seem on other channels, that can be a costly exercise, circa £3 or 4 thousand dollars?
@@chrisyarnold6205 Yes I have seen as much from his videos. I was just asking, if you want your boat in the Caribbean and you, for whatever reason, are not able to take it yourself, would a skipper have been a cheaper option to around £20k on the ship. There are a few pro skippers on the tube and I recall charges for such services in the sub £10k range. Although I must admit they didn't specify if that included all expenses now i think about it! A ferry flight in a single engine plane from the US to Europe would be undertaken as opposed to shipping quite often. Both options are used and there are reasons for and against which decide the method you use. It isn't always looking for the cheapest which is the deciding reason though.
@@rogerblackwood8815
I think capable crew, would have been needed for the watches, but there should only be one skipper on a boat.
Made me chuckle at 13:28 - a Bronx cheer!
And 14:18
Thank you Jon... made me stressed!
Sorry, but no thanks.
Can't even imagine how stressful this would be if they had to load a Cat.
Despite the costs, worries and stress, seeing my vessel dangling like that, would immediately change my mind to rather sailing the distance.
Great video and truly something to think about.
Many thanks for sharing 👍 🙏.
I'm still trying to assess the difference between cargo and sailing it.. I am coming to the conclusion that the bigger the boat the more sensible it is to sail it
@@SailingGently Hi Captain.
I really don't think so. It seems as older I get, as larger and more "twitchy" acting the vessel becomes. As compensation, I changed my attitude towards the mono hull to a ridiculous wide 40ft. Cat.
They are much more comfortably to deal with and make me feel much safer.
So relaxing able making a cup of tee without the heeling. Walking without the fear to fall and brake something down in the galley. Fact of the matter is, that for me, my age and the regions I travel, a Cat was and is the only way to go.
I know, I know.... many mono hull/bluewater people will disagree.
I hated Cats.... Now I love them. Even so it's just 39ft.
Happy sailing sir and always fair winds.
Greetings from Spain 🇪🇸
@@SailingLaManga Rose I think where you are sailing makes a difference - spain is probably OK and the Caribbean seems to be exclusively cats... I find parking single handed and not as agile as I used to be a smaller Monohull is easier - but I am begining to think my 323 is a bit too small here in the Caribbean.
@@SailingGently This is EXACTLY what I thought and truly believed. I can ensure you sir, nothing further from the truth.
"Parking" a Cat is way easier and much more gentle than my Catalina ever was.
I am now in a age, where my knees don't work as they should. My eyesight is not that great any more. Just a simple walk to the mast is much safer.
By the way...
In our age there is no harm to ask for assistance before entering the port and surly very much appreciated by me.
Before I start "stressing out" in unfamiliar port's, I get myself some help. Spending some lumpy euros is still better than a "ding" in my jellcoat 😆.
You may should try out a cat someday.
I believe, you will love it same as I do.
The only true downside is the they are ridiculous expensive and in my opinion way overpriced. But again... I am happy that I had the chance to work a good deal out and now able to travel with my wife (some years older than I) more relaxed. Many thanks for all your videos.
Last night, we watched your horror report about the pirates ☠.
My wife was truly exited and so glad, that you kept you "cool" in this situation.
Fair winds Captain 🙏
@@SailingLaManga For a brief period I owned a Prout 33 cat which I sailed out of La Rochelle France with... She was fine except my berth was a down wind T pontoon end and the challange in 15 knots of putting her alongside (easy) then getting lines onto the dock before she blew off (hard) plus an inability to go windward put me off... None the less had a lot of fun with her - got her down to the Mediterranean and back but in the end decided a bigger mono hull - Westerly 43 was the way to go... Now my little Beneteau 323 is enough to handle fairly easily!
So basically shipping with big boats is pretty similar to boating with small boats in terms of timings?! ;)
Yes James. Your right but the delays in terms of weeks made air fares and accommodation and marina fees in the run up to Christmas frighteningly expensive
@@SailingGently tbh, “frighteningly expensive” was the ballpark that came to mind tbh….but what a great way to spend it, getting to sail on your own boat in the Caribbean!
Crikey! I need a stiff drink after just watching.
Me too Andy!
Great video thanks for sharing, this would be my preferred way to get my yacht to the Caribbean, having sailed across previously. Your video shows the hard facts in detail. Question, having “jumped through all the hoops” put in your path, with hind sight do you think it would be better to pay the extra & go with SevenStar which seems to be an all in one self contained company? Best wishes & hope you have a great time sailing in the sun!
I think you could be right. Suspect it cost the same but I would have needed to get the boat to La Rochelle with all the extra marina costs involved!
Shame the original company didn't have enough orders. That looked stressful and a real ordeal only to charge you more and no proof. Glad all ended well and you got there ok.
Thanks John. It was much more problematical than I invisiged.
I'd have been fuming.
'...very difficult for someone to be in two places at once...' You know the answer - fix the TARDIS. 😉
Well Kev it was certainly going bravely where others had been before
Always hate the seemingly ever more popular business practice of giving you a price, and then asking for more halfway through a job, when you have few to zero options to remove yourself from the contract.
Having said that, might be worth the hassle, just to see the colour change in the sea. Hope you have a great time there, you deserve to, after the stresses.
I think you are right in all you write Chris. I'm the end all I can do is tell the story and move on to a blue sea and better weather
Off Shore Risk Management isn’t anything like you describe it’s a good company and after making a claim it didn’t take much time to get things moving in the right direction.
I won't be using them, that's for sure. Bob. 🤔
Well I only write/film my own personal experiences Myron. Nothing to gain from doing anything else. ORM cost me 500pounds for a survey and then wanted the surveyor to go back and verify the gas tube had been changed for a British one and I had purchased a fire blanket... I certainly found them unhelpful, arrogant and a waste of time. But that's just my experience
Really interesting video. Would be interesting to know the total bill. I'm thinking £5k? Either way hopefully you'll make more videos while you are there as they will be fascinating. (I've not been beyond solent and Northern france)
Simon it was intended to be 3 times that but has ended up being 4 times to my horror...
@@SailingGently Are you including your flights, Marinas etc? How much would a pro skipper have charged to sail it over?
@SailingGently Wow! That's certainly an eye-opener!
@@SailingGently Can't help thinking after reading that, that my original reply to you about buying a boat over there for the duration was not so outlandish as even I thought.
Anyway enjoy the sunshine, you deserve it after all that.
Well, we all know that insurance companies are highwaymen but who would have thought shipping agents would be pirates?
I suspect the profit margin can be very tight but..............
Think I'll stick to Devon UK.
Why not. Lovely coastline and place. Just a very short sailing season!
Stressful - would rather sail across the Atlantic than load onto that ship
I found sailing across pretty easy but having to get the boat from Boulogne to Canaries or Cape Verde would have been a logistical challenge
I'm famous!!
My brilliant crew.. Still eating your left over vegan nosh!
An interesting account. Not sure why you did not just sail over
I've sailed over twice but now I'm 80 I thought I would do it the easy way Guy. Next time I'll sail over!
@@SailingGently Thanks for response. Understandable although I sailed singlehanded from the Solent to Scotland last summer aged 82 - on my Victoria 34!
Why didn’t such an experienced sailor use the trade winds and sail your yacht to the Caribbean?
I've done that twice - see th-cam.com/video/zpO0npASlI4/w-d-xo.html but this was just a wish to re-locate the boat to somewhere I would get more use out of her and not wear wet weather gear and sweaters... financially not a lot in it and much less time involved...
It was a relief to see that you made it safely to the Caribbean, eventually. You seemed to take all the set backs in your stride. What a rotten insurer Off Shore Risk Management are! I definitely wouldn't use them having seen your experience. As for Peters and May demanding an additional 577€ and not substantiating it, could you not try to recover this additional amount they effectively forced you to pay them? If they don't want to know by fobbing you off, if you paid with credit card providing the over all contract was not worth more than £30k and was covered my English law you could try to recover it via a s.75 claim under the Consumer Credit Act which enables you to enforce your statutory rights and maybe contractual rights as well, against your credit card provider eg Visa or who ever for breach of contract. Not sure if the Act requires companies to the registered in the UK or indeed whether Peters & May are?
I am going through a s.75 claim at the moment through my bank/card provider for several thousand pounds. A friend of mine did similar for a claim around £3.5k for a new motorcycle he bought which turned out to have a cracked cylinder head and the Triumph dealer didn't want to know. So he submitted a s.75 claim under the CCA against his bank. From commencing his claim submitting the claim forms electronically, he had full re-imbursement in his bank account within 3-4 days. But you have to have paid some or all the amount of the contract by credit card eg a deposit typically 10% but no exact figure is prescribed. Anything I buy with value over £100, goods or services, I always put at least £100 on my credit card, then I am covered under s.75 CCA if things go tits up.
Loading Golden Haze and all the delays before looked like a right stressful faff. I think I would have sailed across instead.
Anyway glad you have now made it safely to the Caribbean. Hopefully you will have some great sailing adventures and future videos to come and most importantly be WARM!
Looking forward to your next video down to Martinique.
HNY.
Alex hi,
You certainly have some litigation experience and I thank you for sharing... I put stuff out on social media sometimes to see if others have had similar experiences and as a warning...
So pleased you liked the video and again thank you for your comments!
That was absolutely fantastic fun. I would have started to cry if i had to climb that ladder . You sir are my hero. Safe sailing and tallyho from Albion, California.
Glad you enjoyed it Eric... Sometimes, just sometimes fortune favours the brave! They make it look easy but!!!!!
@@SailingGently i would have had to swim for the shore.😜