And you mister John Wooton are the most insane teacher of techniques, rudiments, hybrids and stick tricks!!! I have one of your flam teaching books. Thanks for everything, I like so much this "lesson"!!!
I love this! Going to work on it and commit it to memory. I believe the notation of the first beat of the second half of the lick has an erroneous flam though, at 5:03. The Doc calls for a light tap before those fives, not a flam. Sorry to be "that guy".
Man I love your comment! The Phantom Regiment’s crazy-backwards-impossible way of playing easy, simple sounding, less is more type snare passages is what made it so damn special. RIP Mr. Hurley
Vic Firth I think you should maybe leave a link to the sheet music, because I also find it time consuming and difficult to watch the screen the whole time
what i do is watch the whole vid to see about how many "full bars" as i call them that he plays and then i draw those bars on a sheet of paper. then i go through the vid again stopping at every point where he plays a full section or "bar" and i notate it on the sheet of paper, later measures can be added to the bars according to the vid. basically start out with about 4 lines on the sheet and write each section as you see it in the order he plays it on screen hopefully this will help with practice so u dont have to watch the vid each time.
He says right at the beginning of the video that the material is from solos he wrote in 1987 and 1988. Are you surprised that he is more than 27 years old?
in the snare drum world, what difficulty level would this lick be considered? I'm just a drumkit player and haven't done much rudimental snare drumming
Way late to reply and I am sure in the past four years you have learned already, but just for future readers benefit. This would be a very difficult piece to play in the context of performing it cleanly with 8 plus other people at tempo.
There's an 8 stroke Roll John!!! RR, LL,RR, L, R.ladt 2 beats are accented as is in all even stroke rolls.Using doubles here and ir Diddles, and as in all even stroke rolls ,the last 2 beats (7,8) are accented!!! Just taught you something, lol xx
The sound of the drum is awesome. I imagine Dr. Wooton is blasting me with a powerful machine gun: rat a tat tat tat! Obliterating us with his powerful machine gun rudiments! But this is awesome, I have the PAS 40 down pretty good, this exercise makes me dream of being this good.
Would you recommend to a beginner, which I am, to learn the PAS 40 right away. Because some do say, without dismissing its importance, that it is not necessary for a drum set player to slavishly learn these before everything else and try to learn them slowly over time. What is your experience?
Saqib Saqib Oh wow, thanks for asking! I'll do my best in sharing my thoughts! I would agree that a person can be successful on the drums without learning the PAS 40 right away or even at all. However, there are at least a few of the PAS 40 that all drummers will use and possibly not realize they are part of the rudiments. Such as the single stroke roll, single stroke four, multiple bounce (buzz) roll, and the flam. That's how it was for me at least. I was 13 years old when I got my first drum-set. I tried taking a few lessons, but ultimately, I did not have the discipline to stick with it. So instead, I just learned everything by ear and played the drums by feeling it. If someone would have told me that, unless I learned to read and count, I was otherwise forbidden to play the drums, I probably would have given up. It wasn't until years later that I became interested in learning how to read drum notation. And when I got my first copy of the PAS 40 I realized that I already knew some of the basic rudiments. Yet, each of us must find what works for our own particular circumstances. For example, some drummers start out in band playing mostly the snare drum. In this instance, learning the rudiments is essential. But I think people that begin in drum corp, for example, focus more on being regimented which tends to be technical and precise and often times stiff. And if at a later point they become drum-set players learning to groove and be less metronomic is required. A while back, I heard a drummer, which I highly admire say just that, in which she began in drum corp and later on became a drum-set player and learning to groove was part of the process. I would agree that learning the entire PAS 40 as a requirement prior to the drum-set is unnecessary and could be distracting or even self-defeating especially if it is an all or nothing deal. But successful drumming is a lot about encoding our muscle memory with as much memory-diversity into our automatic-muscle-reflex as possible, and for me that is why I like practicing the PAS 40 even if some of them don't make sense in their drum-set application. In my experience and probably for other people, too, I tend to get anxious and want to rush things along and sometimes give up too easily if I don't see immediate results. But many tutorials and drum books I have studied from successful drummers always advise: Go slow, it is not a race. Take your time and set a good foundation and don't worry about having to learn everything in a day, week, month or even a year. Just practice as much as you can and take things on as you see fit. Sorry that was a bit long, take care and happy drumming!
***** Thanks so much for taking the time to write this. This makes sense to me. I think subconsciously I tell myself if I go through the trouble of learning all 40 rudiments perfectly they will automatically make me a great player. That's probably the reason I was considering going through that route. But you have to think beyond technicality if the counsel of the experienced is any guide. Thanks again.
That is correct Kurt! Rudiments and Rudimental technique alone will not make you a great drummer. I do not consider myself only a Rudimental drummer. I am a musician first. My technique must compliment all I do, not corrupt it. Too many Rudimental drummers don't see the rudiments as means to an end but the end itself. Same is true about many set players. They are not very diverse in the same way because they do not have any foundation or technique. Think about the great drummers that are extremely diverse. They are all competent Rudimental players... Vinnie, Garibaldi, Weckl, Gadd!, Pat Patrillo, Tommy Igoe, (btw, Pat and Tommy marched in the Bridgemen D&B Corps together in 1981. Let me continue... buddy Rich, Jim Chapin, Ricky Sebastian, Greg Bissonette, Jason Sutton (look up his snare solo on TH-cam, then look up his brush work video, then look up his performances with Marylin Manson), Dan Wojo... I can go on... Now, how many set players do you know that play with no touch? Is it because they have no Rudimental technique? How many Rudimental players do you know that are stiff and have no soul? I know many. Either is ok if you are having fun, but if you want to be a complete musician you have to study music from every angle. Good luck and don't stop learning. Ever.
John Wooton Dr. Wooton, I just wanted to say how encouraged I am that you took the time to comment. I was reluctant to post this, because as a student, protocol would defer to the expert having the last word, yet it is because few authorities respond in such an affirming way, I found it almost imperative to let my thanks be known. Thanks again!
I definitely know better than to argue with a doctor, but his technique seems a bit foreign to me. I am not really sure what it is...maybe just more arm than I'm used to? Is that how technique used to be, or is it more of a pipe band style? Also, Dr. Wooton if you see this, don't hurt me, haha! I am still very impressed and inspired by you!
This would make a perfect out of context quote:
"Don't slam the accent or you'll distort the diddle"
-John Wooton
push not slam
Dr. Wooton, you sir are definitely the throwdown king man. Enough said!
"I missed the rimshot"
Cracked me up 🤣
And you mister John Wooton are the most insane teacher of techniques, rudiments, hybrids and stick tricks!!!
I have one of your flam teaching books.
Thanks for everything, I like so much this "lesson"!!!
I love how he talks. "lilt....which is stylistically, er correct...er whatever.... IT'S COOL!"
I've met him, he's awesome. Very good teacher.
This is so old school oh my God this guy rocks
Agreed
That snare sounds AMAZING!!
I was born in 1988, something telling me I definitely should learn this lick.
Thanks for this exercise seems like a good fun to me.
Thanks
Wow!! Lots of cool licks in this one. You are definitely one creatively skilled player. Hats off. Enjoying the show. Discipline. Respect!!
Vic Firth: Absolutely Marvelous Ram Tutorial
Great challenge! I've started learning it... keep them coming, please!
"I missed the rimshot." I died when he said that
Classy room Dr. Wooton!
My highschool band director, Gerald Waguespack, of Acadiana Highschool and ULL, studied with Wooten while working on his Doctorate in Music.
Even when he plays it slow it sounds amazing!
88 is the year I was born in . Something is telling me I should learn this just because hahah. Thanks great exercise.
Greetings from Czech Republic 🇨🇿
learned this yesterday, it's fun to play and sounds cool
This is an excellent video lesson!! Great job Mate!! Yes I frigging Subscribed as all should do.....
"its basically an 8 stroke roll, but there is no such rudiment. THERE IS NOW :D"
Hahahaa XD
I love this! Going to work on it and commit it to memory. I believe the notation of the first beat of the second half of the lick has an erroneous flam though, at 5:03. The Doc calls for a light tap before those fives, not a flam. Sorry to be "that guy".
Harder stuff than what Phantom plays now...
Man I love your comment! The Phantom Regiment’s crazy-backwards-impossible way of playing easy, simple sounding, less is more type snare passages is what made it so damn special. RIP Mr. Hurley
"Buzz-ga-duzz-ga-dat!" I love it.
Love rudimental Rams
The first five counts of this is in Mitch Markovich's "Tornado." Took me this whole video to figure out where the hell I had heard that before.
Very nice tutorial!
You're the doc, doc!
Where can I find the sheet music for this to practice?
It's on the video, Chris! If you don't want to watch the vid over and over, you can always stop it when a new measure appears and take a screen shot.
Thanks I'll give it a shot.
Vic Firth I think you should maybe leave a link to the sheet music, because I also find it time consuming and difficult to watch the screen the whole time
what i do is watch the whole vid to see about how many "full bars" as i call them that he plays and then i draw those bars on a sheet of paper. then i go through the vid again stopping at every point where he plays a full section or "bar" and i notate it on the sheet of paper, later measures can be added to the bars according to the vid. basically start out with about 4 lines on the sheet and write each section as you see it in the order he plays it on screen hopefully this will help with practice so u dont have to watch the vid each time.
why not screenshot the page each time a bar comes up
87/88? What the actual hell?
He says right at the beginning of the video that the material is from solos he wrote in 1987 and 1988. Are you surprised that he is more than 27 years old?
Elias Simon If his first thought was the same as mine, (before the video started) I thought 87/88 was the time signature.
Yeah, that's the reason I clicked on the video in the first place too. Why would he ask the question after it's been answered, though?
May have commented before the video started, idk.
dalton puffer 88/89
I believe the 96 or 97 PR drumline used the first lick in their street beat. I think they swung the 16th notes. Great stuff!
Sensational!
in the snare drum world, what difficulty level would this lick be considered? I'm just a drumkit player and haven't done much rudimental snare drumming
Way late to reply and I am sure in the past four years you have learned already, but just for future readers benefit. This would be a very difficult piece to play in the context of performing it cleanly with 8 plus other people at tempo.
Roger Morris I love how the original comment was 4 years old and you just replied after 4 years
I just saw it...
:)
It would be nice to learn some licks from the 89 solo.
The second lick reminds me of Scottish drumming!
Love it! Like this better than today's boys trying to ram as many notes as they can per measure.
Fantastic! Thanks Much!
those are the sexiest rim shots I have ever heard
Brrrrrraaat i got broads in Atlanta 😂
Lick #1 is from/in 1987 PR snare feature. cued here: th-cam.com/video/5MzF4lwthfU/w-d-xo.html
Lick #2 is from/in the 1988 snare feature, cued here: th-cam.com/video/IEhdeADImpM/w-d-xo.html
There's an 8 stroke Roll John!!! RR, LL,RR, L, R.ladt 2 beats are accented as is in all even stroke rolls.Using doubles here and ir Diddles, and as in all even stroke rolls ,the last 2 beats (7,8) are accented!!! Just taught you something, lol xx
The sound of the drum is awesome. I imagine Dr. Wooton is blasting me with a powerful machine gun: rat a tat tat tat! Obliterating us with his powerful machine gun rudiments! But this is awesome, I have the PAS 40 down pretty good, this exercise makes me dream of being this good.
Would you recommend to a beginner, which I am, to learn the PAS 40 right away. Because some do say, without dismissing its importance, that it is not necessary for a drum set player to slavishly learn these before everything else and try to learn them slowly over time. What is your experience?
Saqib Saqib Oh wow, thanks for asking! I'll do my best in sharing my thoughts!
I would agree that a person can be successful on the drums without learning the PAS 40 right away or even at all. However, there are at least a few of the PAS 40 that all drummers will use and possibly not realize they are part of the rudiments. Such as the single stroke roll, single stroke four, multiple bounce (buzz) roll, and the flam. That's how it was for me at least.
I was 13 years old when I got my first drum-set. I tried taking a few lessons, but ultimately, I did not have the discipline to stick with it. So instead, I just learned everything by ear and played the drums by feeling it. If someone would have told me that, unless I learned to read and count, I was otherwise forbidden to play the drums, I probably would have given up.
It wasn't until years later that I became interested in learning how to read drum notation. And when I got my first copy of the PAS 40 I realized that I already knew some of the basic rudiments.
Yet, each of us must find what works for our own particular circumstances. For example, some drummers start out in band playing mostly the snare drum. In this instance, learning the rudiments is essential. But I think people that begin in drum corp, for example, focus more on being regimented which tends to be technical and precise and often times stiff. And if at a later point they become drum-set players learning to groove and be less metronomic is required.
A while back, I heard a drummer, which I highly admire say just that, in which she began in drum corp and later on became a drum-set player and learning to groove was part of the process.
I would agree that learning the entire PAS 40 as a requirement prior to the drum-set is unnecessary and could be distracting or even self-defeating especially if it is an all or nothing deal.
But successful drumming is a lot about encoding our muscle memory with as much memory-diversity into our automatic-muscle-reflex as possible, and for me that is why I like practicing the PAS 40 even if some of them don't make sense in their drum-set application.
In my experience and probably for other people, too, I tend to get anxious and want to rush things along and sometimes give up too easily if I don't see immediate results. But many tutorials and drum books I have studied from successful drummers always advise:
Go slow, it is not a race.
Take your time and set a good foundation and don't worry about having to learn everything in a day, week, month or even a year. Just practice as much as you can and take things on as you see fit.
Sorry that was a bit long, take care and happy drumming!
*****
Thanks so much for taking the time to write this. This makes sense to me. I think subconsciously I tell myself if I go through the trouble of learning all 40 rudiments perfectly they will automatically make me a great player. That's probably the reason I was considering going through that route. But you have to think beyond technicality if the counsel of the experienced is any guide. Thanks again.
That is correct Kurt! Rudiments and Rudimental technique alone will not make you a great drummer. I do not consider myself only a Rudimental drummer. I am a musician first. My technique must compliment all I do, not corrupt it. Too many Rudimental drummers don't see the rudiments as means to an end but the end itself. Same is true about many set players. They are not very diverse in the same way because they do not have any foundation or technique. Think about the great drummers that are extremely diverse. They are all competent Rudimental players... Vinnie, Garibaldi, Weckl, Gadd!, Pat Patrillo, Tommy Igoe, (btw, Pat and Tommy marched in the Bridgemen D&B Corps together in 1981. Let me continue... buddy Rich, Jim Chapin, Ricky Sebastian, Greg Bissonette, Jason Sutton (look up his snare solo on TH-cam, then look up his brush work video, then look up his performances with Marylin Manson), Dan Wojo... I can go on... Now, how many set players do you know that play with no touch? Is it because they have no Rudimental technique? How many Rudimental players do you know that are stiff and have no soul? I know many. Either is ok if you are having fun, but if you want to be a complete musician you have to study music from every angle. Good luck and don't stop learning. Ever.
John Wooton Dr. Wooton, I just wanted to say how encouraged I am that you took the time to comment. I was reluctant to post this, because as a student, protocol would defer to the expert having the last word, yet it is because few authorities respond in such an affirming way, I found it almost imperative to let my thanks be known. Thanks again!
Great!!!
Damn y’all choppin like that in 1987😦😝
Schwarzenegger is that you?
What kind of drum head and body are you using in this video, and where can I get I? Could I find it on Amazon, and if so, where?
awsome
Man, you really like those flammed-diddled sixteenths
What song was that
any chance of getting the written chart??? great stuff...........
Joe Fontana exactly id love a pdf of this.
Why does the title say 87/88 when the licks are from 88 and 89?
One thing I noticed is that the last measure of this lick is in his solo Africa Hot
do you have the bass drum tatoo
I definitely know better than to argue with a doctor, but his technique seems a bit foreign to me. I am not really sure what it is...maybe just more arm than I'm used to? Is that how technique used to be, or is it more of a pipe band style? Also, Dr. Wooton if you see this, don't hurt me, haha! I am still very impressed and inspired by you!
Isaiah Lamb they used to play like that to be more rudimental and uniform. Now we use more wrist to go faster
3:25 look at the flick of the wrist.
XD
Learned it took me an hour but I learned this one
I envy you
This reminds me of the lickety split quote "let me play at a slower tempo. PLAYS SAME SPEED XD
Cool but wth are those earbuds
He says 88 and 89. But, it is actually 87 and 88.
those double strokes are so even it sounds like a machine gun haha
in glad he slowed down, unlike Emmanuel Deleon
aye yu missed part after the 3 flams you didnt teach that you went straight to the 8stroke
1:57
lmao i thought 87/88 was the time signature
Why am I watching this. I play tuba!
Tyler Smith I play tuba too, but percussion is interesting af
Same
This guy is hilarious
Is it 88/89 or 87/88????
First lick 87, 2nd 88
Wtf I was watching this 3 years ago
Very "Fluid" drumming.
You gotta break it down and slow it down so you can throw it down.
“It’s basically a flam accent, but with a diddle”
So it’s a cheese?
Easy
4:10 Lol.
I don't even play snare. I play the Trumpet. Why am I here
Not my tempo.
What do you mean "ancient" ? ;-) LOL
In my opinion, these videos aren't really that helpful when learning these rudiments because he just expects you to get it after playing it twice
Jacen Scaggs You could always ask for a refund.
although Phantom's drumline was never really worth a shit under Marty Hurley, their drummers did have some chops