START, BENCH, SELL : Dias - Silva - Van Dijk | Saturday Social ft Rory Jennings
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Rory Jennings, Steven McInerney & Harriet Prior join Smithy and Joe this week on Saturday Social. This week we are playing a game of start, bench, sell - featuring the best premier league defenders, midfielders & forwards… Do you agree with the guests?
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Rory the kind of guy to wake someone up to ask if they're sleeping
My narcissistic mother actually does this
Meaning😂
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Rory the type of guy to speak about Abrahovic’s chelsea during his best man speech
As a chelsea fan it hurt to see us on the sell list almost every round. Hurts even more having to agree 😅
This was a stitch up! What chance did I have! Loved being on, thanks for having me. Class team and show.
Why do you have opinions
@@NatKen. 😂
What a pellet
Hi
How You get paid to talk about football is a crime 😂 fairplay
Nkunku POTY 2 years in a row in the same club as szobozlai but go off i guess 😂
That was their worse take of the video. You can argue Foden but he’s so obviously better than Szobozlai
Rory actually had pretty good takes on this video, with decent examples and reviews. Anyone saying the opposite is simply a hater of him.
Exactly
Deffo a Rory jennings burner
He said Haaland was going to flop in the PL. Rory is a true hater.
Yea but no way a 38 years old Thiago silva is better than van dijk
@@marcochan66that's the thing he is better even at the age of 38 which is insane
Glad to see Alison & Mo are getting the respect that they ABSOLUTELY deserve ❤
so after this video you say this? have you been living under a rock?
Why are you talking about them like they are some kind of underrated players that have been just discovered and not the best players in their position😭😭😭
alison is so overrated bro
@@nicolaiburmeisterGo Watch baseball
Rory Jennings is on the show. This means there is at least one awful take coming
Edit: He’s done well today, you should keep Thiago Silva because he won’t sell for anything and sell VVD
Only one?
One??? Nah bro more than that 😅
The he is one of the better ones on there someone like specs I have no idea how he’s employed
Nah not this one..He's Absolutely spot on today
Either you are a Liverpool fan or you just hate Rory 😂
@@M4NA5chill out mate I was joking I can tell you’re still in school kid
Harriet a strong LFC Rep. No flowery explanations. Szobo is worth the hype.
she just picks all the mainstream options lol cant imagine any liverpool fan wanting dias over van dijk.
That Klopp take is wrong tho !
@@ajaynautiyal6354 shes a people pleaser
@@dragndorf9then they’re delusional
Thiago Silva's longevity surely counts here this is the same guy that won the Scudetto with Milan 13 years ago.
Nobody is talking about career. It’s about in present time who is better. Dias is just 26, there is no point comparing him to Thiago silva’s career.
Yeah if it was a debate about their career then obviously but it’s a keep bench sell
its more of a who would you put in a starting 11 question i think
Walker is still the best RB England have…fantastic footballer
If Reece James is fit he's a better right back, Walker doesn't offer much going forwards. James offers (albeit in a different way) close to the attacking output of Trent but with Walkeresque one on one defending ability and athleticism. His only problem is injuries.
@rikachu571 Walker is not meant to offer much going forward that's not his role in our squad, when in possession of the ball he plays on the right of a back 3 essentially playing centre back, you can't compare them , but I'm gonna say walker because James has probably been injured longer than walker has over his whole career and he's only like 23 so that's a hugggge worry
@@rikachu571Theres no point in this argument anymore. James CANNOT keep himself out of the medical room for more than 2 months at a time. Did you know he made 1/3 of his total PL starts for West Brom over where he hasn’t been for 4 years ago now? He can’t be relied upon. He’s the same as Thiago . He’s great when he’s fit but when is he fit?
@@rikachu571moot arguments..he has not played for a while now..Walker is clear
@@rikachu571reece james is not even better than trippier
For T.Silva, age is just a number. I'm starting him
Sliva is actually better than Vidic. Not saying it was hard to be better than him.....
@@OfficialGobbledyGookerbrutal ball knowledge
Fun Fact, Thiago Silva is older than Wayne Rooney.
caicedo is finished @@OfficialGobbledyGooker
Average delusional chelshit fan 😂
Putting salah in ruins it. He’s not even the same stratosphere as the other two. Should have debated L. Diaz or something
Yea I agree. I'm a City fan and said oh come on when I saw those 3. Diaz vs Grealish vs Sterling would have been good.
Whenever Rory Jennings is on Saturday Social you know bad ball knowledge is coming
At least he has 0.1 percent more than Thogden
@@Gurney.that is true
Nothing he said was wrong
@@O7FTBLwhat did he say that was bad?
He said nothing wrong
after watching all of liverpools games this season it’s clear that szoboszlai will be regarded as a top 5 midfielder in the league atleast by the end of the season, i’d even go as far as saying he could be top 3 he’s just been flawless. What’s surprised me the most is his defensive work it’s top class
he wasn't great against wolves for me, mac allister had a poor game with took away from him tbf.
@@kierstanfaulks he was responsible for the first goal tho , he had very good second half
There’s no chance for Szoboszlai to be ahead of KDB Bernardo or Rodri by the end of this season. Be serious now.
@@kierstanfaulks first half wasn’t awful, was a below average performance from him based off what we seen so far but with no proper 6 it makes his and curtis’ job a tricky one cus they’re not sure how much cover they have and they can’t play with pure confidence
@@kierstanfaulksmac allister was dreadful. He doesn’t suit our system. Szobo does. He made a few bad passes in the first half but even then he’d win the ball back after it. This was his worst game so far yet I still thought he was good.
Rory is spot on with the fullbacks, you know you're out of touch and bias when you say defending is not required for a fullback and somehow crosses and passes is put before that. Liverpool suffered in front of the likes of Vinicius Jr, or even Mitoma last season, Trent just can't keep up, and it cost Liverpool.
Defenders get skinned all the time, it's just when it happens to Trent it's highlighted to no end
@@connorf4035you still can’t deny that Walker and James are better defensively
James isn’t a great defender either and plays wing back so has more cover
@@archie1420 That same Vinicius that gave Trent problems has been pocketed by James every time they played them. Out of six matches against Chelsea, Vinicius does not have a single goal and guess who was tasked to defend him in those matches?
@@huzzy1968 I don't think James is much better than Trent defensively at all. Walkers just rapid so whenever he gets skinned he's got the pace to track back and make a tackle
Ask any lepizig fan who was better for them nkunku or sbzoslai, its no debate! Nkunku being horrendously underrated here
I can speak as a City fan, we've played them so much and no offence I never once noticed Szo before on the pitch whereas Nkuku ran riot against us and I knew hed be a star
Bro it’s crazy
Hasn’t played a single game in the prem yet, can only be the sell option
@@crystalneth994 that’s like saying sell bellingham because he hasn’t played a game in the prem yet???
Szobo has been running things for Liverpool so far this season
Everyone's been using Silva's age against him since he came to the league. Never actually see people criticise his game. It's like how no one says Messi's washed just because hes like 36 now because he's still playing unbelievably. It's so unfair on Silva who's still absolute class. Anyone who actually watches him knows that.
True. He's arguably the best of the three, still. And the stats bear that out. But I doubt he can do VVDs job playing LFCs highline because he doesnt have recovery pace anymore.
I'd be starting Dias, benching Silva, and selling VVD. He hasn't been the same since that injury imo.
The only correct option
That's just a load of nonsense his first season back and he Carried that defense to a almost achievable quadruple one bad season and people start doubting him
@@jayqoutes3780 almost lol. Where did he carry them to last season? Europa league.
@@jayqoutes3780One bad season?
@@deeray4637Where does Thiago Silva carry Chelsea then? Relegation battle?
As biased as it may seem coming from Rory, I do agree James is better than Trent as a FULLBACK. Noone can argue Trent is world class at crossing and general attacking output, but his defending is so so poor.
Absolute bs
@@Cartierian the main point of the full back position is defence, and trent is very poor at that sure he may have great forward ability but that doesnt make up for the gaping hole which he leaves at right back
@@yomcccgames5724 That’s a myth, he’s a competent defender, reads interception opportunities very well. He’s not the best tackler and he sometimes ball watches when crosses come from deep, he wouldn’t have been part of a side that went to 99 points if he couldn’t defend
@@yomcccgames5724Reece James ain't exactly great at defending either tho.
@@IceClawz. actual right backs that can defend when he isnt injured is probably the best rb itw. but the way its going hes gonna be another wilshere unfortunately
Great to see Dias is getting his flowers. Overall Silva has a better career than VVD.
How is silva career better than van djik ..is if trophies, accolades, records ..etc
@@markkaasha2111 VVD has a 3 good season. Silva on the other hand is performing at the top level for a decade. Absolutely no brainer this is
@@ahadhossain3941exactly. Compare AC Milan, PSG and Chelsea to Celtic, Southampton and Livarpool
It's true as VVD was a late bloomer, VVD peak was better than Silva's tho and it's not even a debate
@@connorf4035nobody cares about "peak". That's like arguing a player had a better career because they scored 5 goals in a game. It's who's had the better career.
Nkunku being underrated here like ask any bundesliga watchers, par bayern and maybe dortmund he was the best player in the league for last few seasons he even has good ucl record it’s sad he got injured but he ‘s a great player
Ask any bundesliga how good Sancho was
Nkunku and szoboslai played in the same team and there was one of those players that won player of the season and bundesliga pots.
yeah nkunku should be first by a mile. yes he is injured but he has shown way more in the last 3 years than szbozlai and foden combined. i guess they didnt watch a single game from the bundesliga cause that guy is an outstanding talent and can do everything.
Chelsea agenda tbh, don’t even know why Rory was there 😂
Nkunku is more like a finisher. They were talking about creativity in midfield.
Rory is spot on on managers what jurgen achieved with less money is amazing 👏
Yup. There's a universe out there whereby instead of Liverpool coming second by one point, they won both leagues. That would give Klopp and Guardiola three titles and one Champions League each. In that universe, factor in where both clubs were when the respective managers took over and the wealth at their disposal, Klopp is arguably better. I think Klopp could match Guardiola's achievements at City, but I doubt Guardiola could match Klopp's achievements at Liverpool.
However, trophies are currency in football, which means, sadly, in universe, Guardiola probably takes it.
@@stevenandrews3891 Sadly we don't live in that universe. Klopp's Liverpool side is just a footnote in the Man City dynasty.
Been waiting for this video
this is such a 1 sided debate right now, Ive never see a time when 1 CB is so far ahead
Ruben Dias insane
You've put poor Harriet, who is amazing at what she does, with two of the most long-winded, self-absorbed people you could find. There were moments when you could see Joe trying to give her an opportunity to weigh in. Please have her on with people who aren't going to interrupt her to do monologues every three seconds. Thanks.
I did feel sorry for her, Rory particularly just spoke all over her every time she tried to give a view
They both love the sound of their own voices. Strongly dislike the Man City fan
@@yessi1585lol bias.
Just because he support city u hate him 😂
@@crist3809 eh no. It’s just because he thinks he’s so so right all the time and takes everything personally
First Rory W, Silva and Virgil are similar in ability id personally take Silva, and you’re getting alot more money for Virgil over Silva
Great talk💯
props to the man city fan. Humble and still admits they dont have ALL the best players. Despite winning everything.
But you will still cry about them having an all star team
whats the most impressive about alisson is his positioning, so often in the game it looks like he does nothing and makes simple saves but thats not the case as he is always in the right spot. It's the contrary with other keepers where we see them always save a worldie. if alisson make a worldie of a save its always from a world class finish. on the other hand we see de gea, ederson etc makes crazy saves when the shot isn't even side netting with a lot of power into it.
Get Rory and Specs on the same episode 😂
Specs actually makes Rory look like a genius💀
And Ty would be the best/ worst thing ever
As a german I watch a lot of Bundesliga and believe me Nkunku was on another Level the last 3 years. Always top 5 players of the Bundesliga and 2021/2022 player of the season. Szobozslai is a good player, but not on his level and foden is obvs. also great
Bro they’re just selling him because he’s Chelsea
If you watch the Bundesliga youll also know Nkunku and Szobo dont play the same position, which means they have different roles. . Yet if you use football metrics Szobo came out on top statistically last season; a total Sofascore rating of 7.42/OPTA score of 53; Nunku was a 7.23 /51 and Foden a 7.22/52. And Szobo is 3 years younger than Nkunku.
Nkunku is unreal
Alvarez cost 15 million ! What a buy ! 😂
The only thing they can say bad against Silva is his age 😂😂😂
As a City fan I would easily take Thiago over VVD who had literally 1 and half good seasons, hes severely overrated
Rory is the real Goat 🐐
In the last 22-23 season, when Fabinhos and Hendos legs went and LFC leaked goals for fun, while City had Rodri and Gundogan sitting in front of the defensive line and let in the fewest goals in the league, VVD still bested Dias in virtually every meaningful defense metric per 90, often by a significant margin, including; clean sheets, clearances, interceptions, possession won, tackles won, ground duels won, aerial duels won et etc, while also scoring 3 goals and assisting one, compared to Dias who neither scored nor assisted.
Dias has never lost a premier league title so far and when dias came back from injury, mancity's defence enhanced to the level that they were able to achieve the treble
"look I am not insane"😂😂
seriously ?? thats unfair to nkunku. not even kicked a ball
That’s the point. He hasn’t kicked a ball so he can’t be said to be better than two of the best attacking midfielders in the league.
I'd genuinely sell Van Djik. He's not the same and you'll make so much more money
How is he not the same ...please explain
@@markkaasha2111 two years ago best centre back in the world. Now not even top 5 for me
"not the same except you'll still be able to sell him for so much and any team in the world would want him" 😭😭😭
@@librarygary1618 cause people over rate him
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Buut if he is the same, why will teams pay for him? If Silva is better he should make more
Ruben Dias has an easy defending style, he does it so well that it's undetectable. Van Dijk, on the opposite, gets exposed a lot more often, so it's easier to notice his defending highlights. I guess that's why he's been benefiting from the good name on the streets.
Ruben Dias doesn’t have to defend next to Trent, doesn’t have 2v1 every time
Harriet & Joe snickering at Rory😅😅😅
TAA is a great player but a bad defender, arguing that by saying "maybe they're not watching the games week in week out" is not doing what you think it is. If you do watch week in week out, you'd realize how much teams target that side of Liverpool's defense, because of his lack of defensive IQ and awareness. Now, they're trying to hide that by building up in a different shape, but they're still getting figured out.
It's crazy that you say all this and don't realize that teams target that area because of the space that Trent leaves by naturally going forward either by moving inside like he does now or by overlapping like he did before. That has nothing to do with his individual defensive capabilities and everything to do with the risk and reward of giving him the primary roles of a playmaker.
Also, I don't know where you made up the idea that we're "still getting found out" when we're unbeaten in 16 games since we've moved to the box midfield 😭😭😭 I sure hope we keep getting figured out like this!
@@librarygary1618 it's crazy you're saying this and still missing the point. As a defender, if he wants to do that, he needs to have enough def awareness and IQ so thay he knows when to vacate, when to cover, when to recover, when to shadow, etc. Very often he's found lacking in that area, mind you he's not the only full back that overlaps or go inside the midfield during build up. And all these are just regarding transition plays by the other team, we haven't even talked about regular defense. He's a great player, possibly great enough to disregard his negatives and build around his traits, but he's not a good defender.
@@dapukisgoingon ur completely missing the point mate, she watches football week in week out....
The disrespect to vvd for one bad season and Chelsea that where 12th with silva lol
Fabuloso 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Rory about to create an all time classic
Trent: the best when attacking
Kyle : The best when defending ( especially man marking)
Reece: James is in the middle. He's not better than Trent when going forward (but he's better than Kyle)and he's not better than Walker when it comes to defending(but he's better than Trent).
His biggest problem is injuries. So I would sell him
How can you sell nkunku who came as the top scorer and best player from bundesliga last year... ball knowledge is really poor on this panel.
Just wait till nkunkus fit he’s gonna show levels
Should of done Enzo instead of Nkunku
I feel for Rory..just sad as a chelsea fan 🥲
Rory’s been stitched up 🤣🤣
Can’t really argue with any of these
Was about to say BUT wouldn't want anyone other than Klopp as my manager hahaha! Great to be on
To be honest I’d agree with Rory with James and Trent
Van Dijk had maybe two or three good years, Silva has been a top defender for 10-12 years. Big difference
Van dijk was one off the defenders in the prem at Southampton too.
@@TravisScott783still isn’t the 12 ish years of Silva greatness
putting nkunku in sell unanimously is criminal
Them lot haven't any games, Szobozlai will be the in the POTY shortlist next year
Silver and Dijk is in my team no doubt
🤣🤣🤣
Van Disney is washed....
caicedo is finished @@OfficialGobbledyGooker
I knew Rory’s order before I clicked the video 😅
they all sold nkunku...you see the disrespect 😢
u can’t rate people by their previous standards, van dijk didn’t get dribbled past and arguably wasn’t at fault for a single goal for 2 seasons straight but now he gets dribbled past maybe 5 times a season at most, i personally can’t think of any off the top of my head. Just because he’s dropped off a bit doesn’t mean he’s bad, he’s still 100% top 5 cb’s in the world, id actually have him top 3. For example people said martinez was better than him last year, martinez got folded multiple times, already this season he jogged last effortlessly against wolves and he got sent back to argentina by gross against brighton.
They did van dijk dirty in the thumbnail 😂😂
If one goes by actual measurable performance metrics then it would have to be Thiago Play, VVD Bench and Dias sell. But Thiago could not play the role that VVD plays for LFC because he does not have the recovery pace. Even having lost a yard VVD is the fastest of the three. So if your team is Tuchel's super defensive Chelsea, you play Thiago, if its Klopps LFC with an insane high line you play VVD.
Guys how can I apply to be part of that analytical pundit minds. I like every contributions from all if you.
People really easily forget that klopp was 2 games away from bettering what pep did last year. I think pep v klopp is much closer than what people make it
I agree, there's no doubt Liverpool have some top players but if Klopp had the kind of depth Guardiola has he'd have won the quad, I think they're honestly equal
@@peach-teawell he has better depth this season, so he should be winning everything.
@@uvie_egua than city? i don't think so. they have the 1st and 2nd best strikers in the league, best midfielder in the league, best rb in the league, 2nd best goalie, englands most naturally gifted player etc
also Liverpool have almost no depth in defence.
I agree with Rory on most the points in this one.
Really can't wait for an improved Chelsea squad😢
I think you’ll get there if you spend another billion
It's never coming.This is not 1980 where money just gets u everything.Tsctics are important than ever before
Rory was actually extremely reasonable here and i agreed with everything he said
Nkunku > Szoboszlai. Look at the drop off Leipzig had without him and he won Bundesliga player of the year 21/22 and won golden boot last year despite being out for 4 months. Also scored a hat-trick at Etihad.
and? Because he is a striker and that is his job. Szobo is a midfielder 🙄
@@jch6722read again properly.. “score a hat trick at Etihad”
Alisson is astronomically clear of ederson😂
trent being a defender still gets u more goals if we’re talking net, trent will give u 15 goals a season from assists or balls in behind that lead to goals, defensively he’ll cost u 5-10 goals a season cus he has konate and van dijk behind him who always make up for him
No way Harriot chose Pep over Klopp!
Yeah, he is a great manager. He knows how to deal with big players and has accomplished a lot. But someone tell me, how is it that this greatness fades away when it's Liverpool vs. Man City? Klopp goes head to head with him every single match. In fact, he has won more matches when they both play against each other.
Klopp has beaten Pep 12 out of 26 meetings, while Guardiola has won 9 times. No manager in football has beaten Guardiola more often than Jurgen Klopp.
So how can you say Pep is better than Klopp? Give Klopp the money Pep gets and see what he does, and do the same for Pep. Give him a team to work on with a restriction of money and see who does better.
Watching this back after Liverpool and specifically Trents form, its hilarious that Rory is making the argument Trent should be sold when he now most certainly is the best RB in the world
Never heard of Harriet Prior but she’s definitely the most football competent here
She said Szobozlai over Foden, get out.
@@areebsiddiqui758 after this season you will say the same.
@@jch6722 Will he win 5 PL's, a treble, 100 points aaand 2 YPOTY awards in one season? I doubt it.
@@jch6722No i wont buddy
@@jch6722 1-0 Wolves Szoboszlai stinker
Actually Rory is right here
People forget that before injuries and bad form as a result of injuries foden was being given ballon dor shouts for the future
cafu, marcelo, lham, maldini, carlos most of them are popular because of their game sense then defending so i dont think you have to be greater at defend as much as as better footballer
Lahm and Maldini were incredible defender,s what are you talking about?
Ederson has great distribution and great shot stopper but Allison is just better at stopping shots and that's the most important thing at the end of the season.
Alison has actually assisted goals with his amazing distribution and actually scored a winning goal.
@@neilfitzsimmons1800 I think they both have about equal distribution if not Ederson even slightly pips it but Allison is the better gk for me
Alisson has equal distribution imo and his shot stopping is better
@@peach-tea fair, both are incredible tbh but I do think Allison is better overall
I only watch these when Rory is on
Why Chelsea is even in the discussion atm is beyond me.
Nunez give me Fernando Torres vibes. He deserves to lead the line and become a hero at Anfield.
PS Rory is redeeming himself with these logical ball picks.
Couldnt you just get specs and thogden on with jennings just to get them all out the way for a while
I do think it's just the pace that VVD has lost, but pace is huge. Before the injury there basically wasn't a forward who could run away from him. What a weapon that is to have in your armoury. Losing that quality has to make you feel a little insecure, but the man's a professional. He's had to just get on with it and try not to feel frustrated or think about what might've been. Surely happens all the time with serious injuries, sadly, but what can you do but just try to be the best you can with what you still have?
VVD is not as fast as he was, and he's having to adjust to that, but he is still faster than Dias and Thiago.
Watching this 2 months later Szobozslai was such a good pick
rory has been set up here. ahahha
I predicted Rory selling Virgil over Silva before I even watched the video
"they are so miserly at the back. Like, they don't concede goals."
Jesus lads, leave Rory alone 😂
The disrespect to nkunku
Steven!
Rate the City Fan not being biased not putting Ederson over Allison and Grealish over Salah
I’m a Liverpool i which Trend could watch this video and see how confident the Chelsea fan was saying he can’t defend and the Liverpool fan is struggling to defend him because the argument is baseless
Pep makes player who they are when they sign these players their not world class ederson dias stones rodri sterling sane KDB(wasnt world class at Wolfsburg but he was really good)ilkay all these players developed and got their status they didn’t come in with it
Szobo and foden over nkunku, absolutely criminal
Start VVD (and give him Captain's armband), bench Ruben (as he usually is nowadays), and sell Thiago (before his prove drops or he retires)
If this is not the best comment out here I'll be damned.
Silva is elite
Harriett had a nightmare in the end 😅- should back Klopp
Nevelie said taa will go down as 1 of the greats when he retires
How is Thiago silva in sell for two of them? Thiago Sliva has been class for chelsea