Borderlands Krieg Skill Tree and Gear Guide

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  • In this series I am going to be covering all the characters from Borderlands 2 and Borderlands The Pre Sequel going over skill trees and gear. I'll be talking about what works and doesn't work but more importantly why it does or does not work.
    In this episode I am covering Krieg.
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  • @fatbraz1lian
    @fatbraz1lian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I had no idea that using his normal melee attack is better that using the blade on a weapon. Thx man keep it up!

  • @ignition1092
    @ignition1092 8 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    No mention of the Fastball? Krieg is one of the best Fastballers in the game, they're great for Blood Bath proc and Bloodsplosion chaining, and BB's increased drop chance for grenades makes it basically impossible to run out.

  • @dycedargselderbrother5353
    @dycedargselderbrother5353 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Skills
    0:02:20 Action Skill
    0:02:20 Buzz Axe Rampage
    0:03:50 Mania tree
    0:03:55 Tier 1 - Empty the Rage
    0:04:31 Tier 1 - Pull the Pin
    0:04:57 Tier 1 - Feed the Meat
    0:05:47 Tier 2 - Embrace the Pain
    0:06:27 Tier 2 - Fuel the Rampage
    0:07:13 Tier 3 - Thrill of the Kill
    0:07:58 Tier 3 - Light the Fuse
    0:09:14 Tier 3 - Strip the Flesh
    0:09:46 Tier 4 - Salt the Wound
    0:11:02 Tier 4 - Redeem the Soul
    0:11:33 Tier 5 - Silence the Voices
    0:13:48 Tier 6 - Release the Beast
    0:15:36 Hellborn tree
    0:16:03 Tier 1 - Burn, Baby, Burn
    0:17:04 Tier 1 - Fuel the Fire
    0:18:15 Tier 2 - Numbed Nerves
    0:18:33 Tier 2 - Pain is Power
    0:20:22 Tier 3 - Elemental Elation
    0:22:01 Tier 3 - Delusional Damage
    0:22:28 Tier 3 - Fire Fiend
    0:22:57 Tier 4 - Hellfire Halitosis
    0:23:22 Tier 4 - Flame Flare
    0:24:13 Tier 5 - Elemental Empathy
    0:24:45 Tier 6 - Raving Retribution
    0:26:08 Bloodlust tree
    0:26:20 Tier 1 - Blood-Filled Guns
    0:27:08 Tier 1 - Blood Twitch
    0:27:47 Tier 2 - Taste of Blood
    0:28:25 Tier 2 - Bloody Revival
    0:29:13 Tier 2 - Blood Overdrive
    0:30:04 Tier 3 - Blood Bath
    0:33:20 Tier 3 - Buzz Axe Bombardier
    0:33:34 Tier 3 - Fuel the Blood
    0:35:13 Tier 4 - Blood Trance
    0:35:42 Tier 4 - Boiling Blood
    0:36:00 Tier 5 - Nervous Blood
    0:36:12 Tier 6 - Bloodsplosion

    • @LJAndrews1986
      @LJAndrews1986 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What a hero, people like you deserve special icons or something

  • @DracoMaverick
    @DracoMaverick 5 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    How I sum up his skill trees
    Homicidal maniac
    Suicidal maniac
    And pyromaniac

  • @Old_Man_Medina_Gaming
    @Old_Man_Medina_Gaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Hey I know this is old, but what an informative video... I have been researching the synergies and options like crazy and this one stop really helped to put it all together. Thank you! *subbed*

  • @imasiontist653
    @imasiontist653 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    my internet at home is so bad I can watch in 360p sometimes at the very best. now I'm visiting someone else and can watch in 720p glorious 60fps. it feels so good.

    • @ryze9153
      @ryze9153 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao. My internet used to be straight garbage. And then i moved and got way better internet haha. Like 150 mbps type internet.

    • @armandopimentel5361
      @armandopimentel5361 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was in the same situation

  • @postscriptum6073
    @postscriptum6073 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    One thing that wouldve been nice to note is that Bloodsplosion is boosted by grenade damage
    And thus Fuel the Blood not only makes Blood Axe Bombardier fantastic, it also makes Bloodsplosion crazy
    You can often just melee an enemy to death and clear a whole group with that boosted Bloodsplosion even without much careful planning

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think I said at one point its grenade damage but you're right I didn't specifically say it gets boosted by that.

  • @WG76x
    @WG76x 7 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Wish Gearbox didn't kill his Raving Retribution dialog. All the crazy stuff he used to say was funny.

    • @HexxuSz
      @HexxuSz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      thank god community patch saved it

    • @sgtjasonbond
      @sgtjasonbond 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@HexxuSz Oh the CP saved it? I didn't play a lot of Hellborn Krieg but I did play some of it so you know, but they did learn from it in the pre-sequel since you have the choice to spend a point in inspire on Jack or you don't have to.

    • @HexxuSz
      @HexxuSz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sgtjasonbond yeah completely worth it but UCP does give it back to you

    • @sgtjasonbond
      @sgtjasonbond 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HexxuSz Ah well that's cool tbh maybe I'll hear more of it when I play more of Hellborn Krieg.

    • @viagrabuffalo5141
      @viagrabuffalo5141 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Community patch babee

  • @texteel
    @texteel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    The one thing with "silence the voices", the dmg isnt "that" bad. Like, 1/3rd of my health. What fucks me up is the 2-3 sec stunstate. Locked in the animation, and teh foggy-blurry screen.

    • @bradley9037
      @bradley9037 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      texteel On OP8 with no health stacking, it does about half your health, but with health stacking it pretty much tickles

    • @texteel
      @texteel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      so that 2 sec "stun" becomes proportionally more dangerous than the self dmg itself

    • @8BitPinkiePie
      @8BitPinkiePie 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      texteel when you have a Rough Rider no

    • @texteel
      @texteel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      why? Does the rough rider prevent the enemies from doing more damage to you during the time you are locked in the animation (+the blurry aftereffect) than the amount of damage you deal to yourself?

    • @faaldeyra
      @faaldeyra 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Damage Resistance and high HP pretty much makes that meh. Yeah you hit yourself in the face sometimes, but it's actually not that bad, and I rarely get screwed over by it.

  • @Lanaestra
    @Lanaestra 7 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    The reason I can't stand Silence the Voices isn't that it damages you, it's the infuriatingly slow animation that comes with it.

    • @tsgtwoandrampage753
      @tsgtwoandrampage753 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Pretty much

    • @carrier2823
      @carrier2823 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Makes you want to punch yourself in the face

    • @ryze9153
      @ryze9153 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Vinicius Raposo stv is fine because the melee damage is so damn high

    • @NomoregoodnamesD8
      @NomoregoodnamesD8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Throwing axes don't proc Silence the Voices self-damage. In Combination with Fuel the Blood and Buzz Axe Bombardier, throwing axes become your main source of damage, all the way up to and through OP8

    • @banishedbary5239
      @banishedbary5239 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, that and the visual effect makes me so disoriented. I know that’s the point but damn it’s annoying

  • @agoatinacoat7148
    @agoatinacoat7148 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    For bloodsplosion all I could think of was a particular scene in kingsman: the secret service

  • @SirZelean
    @SirZelean 7 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    19:03 Noooo, it's not "Salt the Wound, and Strip the Flesh"! It's "STRIP THE FLESH, SALT THE WOUND!"

    • @schmietwechdeschiet4340
      @schmietwechdeschiet4340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mania is actually a do to list of things to do to become a psycho!
      Empty the rage
      Pull the pin
      Feed the meat
      Embrace the pain
      Fuel the rampage
      Light the fuse
      Strip the flesh
      salt the wound
      Redeem the soul
      Silence the voices
      And then
      Release the beast!
      We all can be psychos, the recipe is right there!

  • @rbwillmers
    @rbwillmers 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent video. I like the fireballs from Raving Retribution because it *points out* where enemies are! There are a lot of maps with small enemies that blend in the background where I have problems actually seeing them when they are not shooting at me!

  • @alexmacgregor5265
    @alexmacgregor5265 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Kreig is my absolute favorite character to play in any borderlands game. He's just so hectic and manic, you really feel like a psycho playing him. I still smile whenever I get a good boodsplosion chain or get his RoF and mag bonuses up all the way. It's just the most fun I've ever had in a borderlands game, maybe even in any rpg

  • @YouWillBeBleeding
    @YouWillBeBleeding 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    A few things I would add:
    Krieg is heavier. Grenade jumps don't work that well
    Corrosive Omen & the Blockhead: Both sometimes proc "Bloodbath", do good damage and are friendly to your ammo. Just don't reload, that hurts :D
    The Carnage and the KerBlaster: often overlooked. The Rockets may not get grenade damage bonuses but they ALWAYS count as a Grenade-kill on kill. You get the idea
    The Pimpernel: I know it's maybe a little too obvious because it works on any character but it just puts out such an enormous shitload of DOTs that it's often a better healer than Moxxi-guns (with "Elemental Empathy") and is capable of DOT-kills.

  • @maximus451
    @maximus451 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for this. I can NOT, for the life of me, figure out how to make Krieg work. I'm excited to see this!

    • @DrippyBleedEm
      @DrippyBleedEm 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      one word fastball

    • @ysoserious8526
      @ysoserious8526 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahhhh, this sweet explosive fastball and bloodsplosion. When I first played the Explosive + Fastball + Bloodsplosion Krieg it was so fucking amazing. :-)

    • @dabloodsploder4280
      @dabloodsploder4280 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      melee

    • @8BitPinkiePie
      @8BitPinkiePie 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      you just have to remember he is a Psycho and does not play like the other character's

    • @8BitPinkiePie
      @8BitPinkiePie 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I still can't decide who I like more between Brick and Krieg, it's kust really fun punching nearly every boss in the game at the same time it's just really fun playing as a Badass Psycho

  • @t.pistole1318
    @t.pistole1318 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Found this helpful on my Krieg build. I have to admit what I enjoy about Krieg is the idea of running around setting myself on fire.

  • @TemplarKnights99
    @TemplarKnights99 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Slight correction in 17:34: +200% means times 3 (x + 200%*x)
    You also forgot betties/biddies for grenades for people who like RtB chains.

  • @jacoblinde8110
    @jacoblinde8110 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I hit myself 7 times in a row and that is why I'm watching this video

  • @brewserker3872
    @brewserker3872 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Few things I want to correct.
    4:20 - The 'empty magazine' on the skill doesn't really matter. Generally you want to use a Rough Rider with melee Krieg which is always depleted. It's basically just a 100% passive melee increase while using the Rough Rider.
    29:50 - Spunky never put points into Blood Overdrive for very good reasons.
    34:27 - Krieg's axe may be seen as a 'Bandit Pistal' but it doesn't receive damage increases from weapon skills. The thrown buzz axe is pure melee damage without any skill points invested in Buzz Axe Bombardier. With Buzz Axe Bombardier, however, it changes the melee damage to non-elemental and explosive damage bonuses. (but still gets buff from melee damage skills)
    40:45 - Sorry, but the Grog is absolutely required on melee Krieg in certain situations. Most of the time I don't use it but I really have no choice when I go against 2 Ultimate Badass Loaders and 1 Badass Constructor. (Even Thrill of the Kill wouldn't keep me alive there)
    41:44 - Bloodsplosion is not grenade damage. Blood Bath triggers when killing an enemy with a grenade OR *explosion* (a.k.a Bloodsplosion).
    47:33 - Bladed weapons only do less damage when NOT using Roid and/or past level 47.

    • @spookywafflecat5508
      @spookywafflecat5508 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Brewserker thank you, I was about to respec my krieg and change all my weapons

    • @CharlesUrban
      @CharlesUrban 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Question: Why is Blood Overdrive a bad idea?

    • @frizfelix979
      @frizfelix979 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bloodsplosion is grenade damage, sir.

    • @ryze9153
      @ryze9153 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Friz Felix yea it is. He's wrong about that

    • @mrsteeleftw
      @mrsteeleftw 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You do not need the grog until OP levels. Hell even then tho you only need it for the peak.

  • @bryanclark7608
    @bryanclark7608 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just picked up playing Krieg recently, so I'm here for this. Call me insane, I'm not interested in BL3 at all for now. I'll get the handsome jack version equivalent in a year, who gives a shit. So thankful for YT channels like yours that break it down without the bullshit.

    • @jacrispy3275
      @jacrispy3275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You're not missing too much.

    • @manganistDIMITRI
      @manganistDIMITRI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Bl3 kinda sucks compared to bl2. Have more fun with bl2 overall and I still need to defeat raid bosses for my first time.

  • @harayoursenpai1180
    @harayoursenpai1180 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love it ! Very detailed and gives me a whole new look on Krieg ! Thanks for video !

  • @ItsNoahVG
    @ItsNoahVG 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The twister is my favorite gun on anyone even though it's a pain to get.

  • @jafortune
    @jafortune 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Of course Krieg would love a gun called the Butcher.

  • @Eugene_TEC
    @Eugene_TEC 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1. Pain is Power at 5/5 adds 25% damage normally and an additional 50% for 75% when on fire. The figures double at 10/5.2. The thrown Buzz Axe counts as a grenade which procs Bloodbath, which isn't very useful in BXR, but hey, free grenades! With Buzz Axe Bombardier you get bonuses from Strip the Flesh and Fuel the Blood though which allows it to outstrip your melee damage.3. Elemental Elation also increases your buzz axe's fire rate. Not really important but worth pointing out. To my knowledge, Embrace the Pain doesn't.. Com/Relic fire rate boosts like the Chaotic Barbarian or Gunner also increase its fire rate.4. After the patch Flame Flare is harmless unless you take a fire dot from an enemy (like a Hot Loader). Your own DOTs don't do much unless you are at super low health. It's a very good skill especially with explosive hybrids where you DoT people less.5. Raving Retribution Is powerful enough to quite easily kill unshielded enemies. Not sure if that's because it got buffed but it does good work in flesh maps. It's basically necessary to run Krieg without a Firehawk or Moxxi, so while it isn't spectacular like RTB or Bloodsplosion its strong in its practicality, like Scorn or Double-up. Also, it procs Bloodbath, which can be useful.
    Gonna affirm that Krieg and Moxxi are an overrated combo. His healing/survivability skills are probably the best in the game so you probably won't see a serious performance difference if you spec/play him intelligently.

    • @VileLasagna
      @VileLasagna 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      1 - It's a weird skill in which in will make your body shots higher damage than your crits for any weapon with splash if you are on fire. For non-splash, body shots will get an increase in damage whereas crits will remain the same damage. Great skill for splash-only guns but the other characteristics make me a huge hater of it (also the fact that I played sniper Krieg throughout first and second playthroughs and would have loved to use that in a theoretical Krieg Volcano build)
      2 - The explosion counts as grenade damage if you pick that. Standard thrown axe doesn't IIRC
      3 - I think they all increase thrown axe fire rate, but not swinging speed?
      4 - Pretty much correct. Krieg's own immolation is very mild and you cannot stack multiple DoT's from Flame Flare any more
      5 - yes
      Final Thought: I find that to be very true normally. Elemental Empathy in particular is pretty ridiculous. Hellfire is a great gun on him. But as you climb OP levels (I think I'm at 6 now) even he struggles with survivability

    • @Eugene_TEC
      @Eugene_TEC 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ***** 1. Yeah, leveling I avoided it initially as until UVHM you really cannot afford to be too choosy about guns. I think its a good skill overall, and has strong synergy with most guns Krieg excels in.
      2. You are right, did a test and only buzz ax bombardier procs bloodbath.
      3. Relics, coms and Elemental Elation increase throw speed, Embrace the Pain does not seem to cause a discernible increase in throw rate.

  • @davidfalloutbandit
    @davidfalloutbandit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You know what would be much better to have in Krieg's skill tree then bloody revival?
    A movement speed skill ..
    Perhaps + 1.5% per stack of blood lust equaling up to + 120% speed

  • @cpt.tupperware
    @cpt.tupperware 8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Maya doesn't seem like an appropriate name for Krieg.

    • @squidinator5708
      @squidinator5708 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol I noticed that as well

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      my maya is named Krieg

    • @rukrawczyk
      @rukrawczyk 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Derch ship confirmed

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      +highnoon1987 yes it does

    • @jaydenballa7399
      @jaydenballa7399 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Derch you take to long to look at them like 50 seconds to just start upgrading im not going to watch this i will just wait to see these skills

  • @NotessimoSwift
    @NotessimoSwift 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Admiral Bahroo used Bloody Revival once in Co-Op one life, in an attempt to get heavy damage off of Voracidous before his shield restored. He went down intentionally, used the kitten at point-blank until near-death, then was revived by Maya. It did decent damage, but it didn't do enough to kill him along with all their other efforts. They gave up on Krieg for one life not long after that and switched to Sal.

    • @8BitPinkiePie
      @8BitPinkiePie 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      actually his Krieg had died when he used the Baby Maker and unintentionally hit himself when he was down forcing him to quit

  • @maddhatter6551
    @maddhatter6551 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was thinking of using him. Maya is my favorite character who I have at lvl 60 right now with a sham I got from bunker. Plus I have a really nice cooldown rate which I can get better when I max out. This character does seem really badass though. I like the crazy things he says and how in his head he still has a rational person in there.

  • @leor.sanders5852
    @leor.sanders5852 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fuel the rampage is amazing once you have so many BAR stats that you never really get down to 30% health

  • @TrajGreekFire
    @TrajGreekFire 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hey Derch, this video was posted on Borderlands facebook fanpage.

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      and Twitter, I had some "YUGE" spikes today

  • @DrippyBleedEm
    @DrippyBleedEm 8 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    this isn't very important but krieg can reload the infinity when he gains blood stacks because of the ammo skill

    • @kocashima
      @kocashima 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Krieg is so powerful he can increase infinity 🤣

  • @sixtenalin5300
    @sixtenalin5300 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Actually Bloody Revival is very incredible with the Kerblaster, due to the synergy with
    Pain Is Power, Strip The Flesh and Bloodbath in a grenade hybrid build, I think the Kerblaster is the best AR that Kreig can rely on

    • @carrier2823
      @carrier2823 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ll try it, thanks!

    • @AdminAbuse
      @AdminAbuse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And now we have the peak opener :)

  • @Not_Important75
    @Not_Important75 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Should have pointed out how pull the pin is useful for bunker farming at lower levels

  • @battlebee7111
    @battlebee7111 8 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Doesn't Fuel the Fire triple your DoT chance, rather than double it?
    If you had a +100% increase to a gun with 10% DoT chance, you get 20% DoT chance. That's double the DoT chance. So +200% cannot be double.

    • @DrippyBleedEm
      @DrippyBleedEm 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah I know I get confused by that too

    • @happabirthday
      @happabirthday 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yea you're right it should be triple DoT chance with 5/5

  • @valiander2976
    @valiander2976 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    +derch for release the beast if you do that animation at the beginning then rtb worked also if you have the caution sign right next to your name that is 33% health.

  • @rdu239
    @rdu239 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Slag bouncing betty and tesla type grenades are the best mods for quickly stacking Bloodlust

  • @nemohimself2580
    @nemohimself2580 ปีที่แล้ว

    Light the Fuse scales decently well until OP levels. It actually gets a 600% damage boost in UVHM, so if you get slag before going down, you can actually do decently well with it until level 72/80.

  • @Dee-jp7ek
    @Dee-jp7ek หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just barely realized that Silence the Boices is just a self Swagger from pokemon as a BL skill

  • @kelvinortiz6352
    @kelvinortiz6352 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Derch I'm jealous of your inventory

  • @darrenweatherstone618
    @darrenweatherstone618 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your vids they've help a lot. I have just got to tvhm with kreig. I pick up a cobra on normal mode the highway to hell mission , which I think was very lucky. In my opinion the cobra is the dogs bollox with kreig with his explosion buffs. Thanks again for your time with your vids.

  • @YouWillBeBleeding
    @YouWillBeBleeding 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fuel the Rampage is piontless even when you somehow "miss" RTB because the damege-cooldown is based on your base health. So if you're health-stacking and have at least almost full health at the end of your Rampage you get it back before beeing back in RTB-range

    • @DrippyBleedEm
      @DrippyBleedEm 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      *damage

    • @mrxmenguy
      @mrxmenguy 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is useful *until* you get RTB. Just spec into it while leveling.

    • @YouWillBeBleeding
      @YouWillBeBleeding 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I kinda just meant if you do a mistake when activating it

  • @WccDyer
    @WccDyer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the hour long build videos.

  • @jameschurch2441
    @jameschurch2441 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i never used the flakker, i tried it on krieg and for grenade stacks it works pretty well as an off hand. plus its actually kind of fun to use

  • @jacobmonroe3899
    @jacobmonroe3899 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My suicide Krieg has had a lot of luck with Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

    • @carrier2823
      @carrier2823 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jacob Monroe I’ve been playing Krieg for years and I never thought of this. Really cool idea, I will absolutely try it!

  • @WW-zt1zs
    @WW-zt1zs 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ever played Krieg with explosive fastball?It's really amazing with bloodsplosion chains

  • @vincentbray1910
    @vincentbray1910 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd like to see which characters you think work best in combinations. So Axton+Krieg or Maya+Zero etc. It's an interesting puzzle to match up skills. Krieg needs help getting slag out there so Maya would be a good fit but then maybe Maya would miss her kill skills if Krieg is bloodsploding everything.

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's pretty much maya + anyone. Her slag, healing, cc, no one can compete with that.

    • @nemohimself2580
      @nemohimself2580 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you're not running RtB, Krieg+Maya. If you are, most of her healing is actually counter-productive.

  • @virgilmcmath6363
    @virgilmcmath6363 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember the first pull the pin kill I got with krieg
    I was in three horns - valley and just barely lost to doc mercy so one lucky death and he dies and I get the popup pull the pin kill

    • @DeathBone4656
      @DeathBone4656 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love doing pull the pin bunker so much exp

  • @midnightlyrics9376
    @midnightlyrics9376 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    But the passive bonus doesn't apply on roid damage while bladed weapons multiplicatively boost it
    Just a heads up

    • @nemohimself2580
      @nemohimself2580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Due to his unique melee calculation, bladed weapons actually *reduce* his damage after around level 40.

    • @DemoniteBL
      @DemoniteBL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nemohimself2580 Unless it's the Rapier/Law. The Rapier is always a boost to melee damage, no matter the level. And as the original comment said, all bladed weapons are better if you use a roid shield.

    • @mouseutopiadystopia24601
      @mouseutopiadystopia24601 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@nemohimself2580
      Not quite true. Obviously, the Law and Rapier always boost your damage, but other bladed weapons can boost your damage contextually.
      Above lvl 40, without a roid shield, bladed weapons reduce your damage, but with a roid shield, bladed weapons always boost your damage.

  • @jon-vis
    @jon-vis 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    if they wanted to make Kreig really op they would have made release the beast 100% multiplicative melee damage.

    • @DeathBone4656
      @DeathBone4656 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That or weapon effects apply in Buzz rampage

    • @juicymuscprod9624
      @juicymuscprod9624 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean he doesn't even need slag at op10 as melee Krieg. I've seen players murder everything with melee and no slag.

  • @dylanbradford7863
    @dylanbradford7863 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    If the Legendary Reaper com boosted Fuel the Blood instead of Taste of Blood, you could have a stupidly awesome grenade/explosive weapon/melee build. Slag and accrue bloodlust stacks with the Florentine, kill an enemy with the Fastball, swap to a Harold/Ravager/Swordsplosion/Kerblaster/Ogre, swap to the Rapier, causing tons of overkill damage and creating massive bloodsplosion chains.

  • @rafaeluzcategui8378
    @rafaeluzcategui8378 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Definitely true about the Grog, I don't use it with Krieg. I prefer the Kitten or the Hail for that matter. Also the Tattler does great with Hellborn Krieg. Damn, dude the fire rate of that thing with Embrace the Pain and Elemental Elation! I had shot really fast but I had not seen anything like it :o
    Oh hey and I think you forgot the Carnage. The carnage is actually good with Krieg as it seems not to be with any other character because it procs bloodbath by itself so it quickly becomes quite effective.
    Hey, Derch, what mod is your favorite on Krieg?

  • @nemohimself2580
    @nemohimself2580 ปีที่แล้ว

    Krieg fundamentally has 2 builds, and the difference is whether or not you use his action skill.

  • @Not_Important75
    @Not_Important75 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should have pointed out that pull the pin is great for farming the bunker since u can easily hit it every tme

  • @GabelhelmSogarbraten
    @GabelhelmSogarbraten ปีที่แล้ว

    I find that with silence the voices since krieg gets so many huge meelee buffs the actual percentage of that skill of his overall meelee damage isnt really worth it especially considering it basically makes roid shileds not usable
    You have to consider that the animation when he hits himself also costs valuable time, time in which you are not damaging enemies so all theese factors considered silence the voices really doenst increase your damage enough to make it worth the annoyance of it and sometimes the danger where it just chains on you in a bad situation

    • @DemoniteBL
      @DemoniteBL ปีที่แล้ว

      Roid damage doesn't increase the damage of self hits caused by StV.

  • @michealmeunier7487
    @michealmeunier7487 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    People already said it but fastball krieg is fun. Common as hell but so fun. Come on krieg, give EVERYONE the heater!

  • @aceofspades7527
    @aceofspades7527 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The hellfire pops off of kreig

  • @CharlesUrban
    @CharlesUrban 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    35:00: So you're saying that when you put dynamite on a thrown buzz-axe, it becomes a MELEE GRENADE GUN?

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kind of

    • @CharlesUrban
      @CharlesUrban 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Okay, because that's AWESOME.

  • @JZer0
    @JZer0 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    56:45 You do need the ammo sometime, as you just saw how fast you can BURN trough it. Pun intended?

    • @93rwolf
      @93rwolf 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      J Zer0 j

  • @Illuminati089
    @Illuminati089 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Melee krieg is super fun after playing maya it's a way more crazy in your face play style. does silence the voices trigger salt the wound when you hit yourself?

  • @bradley9037
    @bradley9037 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No mention for the Fastball? It's ridiculous on him with how much overkill damage it does and how many explosive boosts he can get.

  • @Infinit3Enigma
    @Infinit3Enigma 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never had an issues running grounded hide of terra as krieg, one shot even badasses, also stv did happen a couple of times but I never downed myself from stv, since I alternate melee and thrown axe. Also roid shields actually make bladed weapons useful to, so if you do use bladed weapons that are not law/rapier run roid as well.

  • @ericledesma4715
    @ericledesma4715 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video. i really want to play krieg now!

  • @N00dleBandit
    @N00dleBandit 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Never noticed his synergy with the Butcher... Time to go play some Krieg.

  • @stevenmerriman6817
    @stevenmerriman6817 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really hoping you do something similar for some of the other characters :)

  • @Tr1p5
    @Tr1p5 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Derch. Great video. I commented on your Athena overview, and I was just wondering if you could upload the Athena save anywhere?

  • @djlykaen
    @djlykaen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    who would win in a fight, kreig or brick?

  • @DrippyBleedEm
    @DrippyBleedEm 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like my build I made for him I based my build around the fastball and it rekts mobs

    • @ysoserious8526
      @ysoserious8526 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me, too. Fastball - Krieg is amazing. :-)

    • @jasoncrownover4551
      @jasoncrownover4551 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! Getting an on level/element fastball and a slagga. slag, fastball, then either bloodsplosion kills everything or I have insane gun damage on everything else to kill stuff.

    • @VelvetDarkness-
      @VelvetDarkness- 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats bahroo build lul

    • @jonahbrown5669
      @jonahbrown5669 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rudan I made this build before too. Fuck bahroo, lol

    • @user-wc5ff4xp5g
      @user-wc5ff4xp5g 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Angelo Beaupit I Go For Meele

  • @jace_Henderson
    @jace_Henderson 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You deserve more. But I'm pretty sure you do need more work with the thought and the pausing. But I'm pretty sure you're working on that and I'm not hating or anything but you're doing pretty great for a unpopular TH-camr. Honestly you deserve to have like 50k to 75k subs. But keep it up.

  • @dontbeshady411
    @dontbeshady411 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched this on 1.5 speed and it's like he's talking normal lol

  • @codeShowCase
    @codeShowCase 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks

  • @morgueblack
    @morgueblack 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find the Grog an essential when doing the Peak in OP8

    • @massivegat5087
      @massivegat5087 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I just use any Moxxi weapon in the peak. I find the Kitten and Hail are great in the peak

    • @nemohimself2580
      @nemohimself2580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Best to *either* run Moxxi weapons and hellborn/bloodlust *or* RtB Krieg. Moxxi weapons mess with RtB timing imo.

  • @squidinator5708
    @squidinator5708 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey Derch, yesterday I got my maya to op8 legitimately! :D

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      nice

    • @squidinator5708
      @squidinator5708 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Derch yeah your videos helped me a lot to understand maya and what to do

    • @jace_Henderson
      @jace_Henderson 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Derch no surprise with sal because you can Rocket Jump from the 1st room to the last from OP5 to 8. But he's my farming character

    • @ysoserious8526
      @ysoserious8526 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Congratulations!!! I got my Maya legitimately to OP8 today :-D.
      Without Pimpernel, Sandhawk, Hail, Kitten, Norfleet etc.
      My main gear was:
      Legendary Siren/Legendary Binder (for Reaper bonus etc. on mini bosses)
      All Bone of the ancients (only using shock and corrosive all lvl 70 to 72)
      Bee most of the run and Antagonist for the Assassins
      Lyuda corrosive/shock (god, I love this Sniper sooooo much)
      DPUH for sure
      Hornet (so damn great!!!second main weapon for OMGWTF)
      Florentine
      Lead Storm corrosive (for Dukino's mom and OMGWTF)
      and of course... Grog Nozzle just for more survivability
      Also Longbow Quasar lvl72 and up to OP5 a purple shock Singularity (for more crowd control)
      I hope I didn't forgot something
      All this gear now has a place in my heart ;-)
      But now I will go for my Pimps and and Sandhawks.
      I was running Derch's Twisted Pimp - Build (even if I had neither a Pimp nor a Twister X-D) But it was great I fucking love that build. Scorn is sooo good.
      Derch if you reading this: Your videos also helped me a lot so thank you!!! You are the one that taught me that Chain reflection is amazing and AR's don't suck... it was me ;-)
      Maya is my fav and second is Krieg :-)
      This game is so amazing. 2016 and so many people are still playing and enjoying it.
      A proud vault hunter is going to bed now, see you!!! :-)

    • @squidinator5708
      @squidinator5708 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Yso serious?85 damn nice job dude. I only used the pimpernel, hail and sandhawk. Antagonist and bee, legendary siren, corrosive bone, and a quasar.

  • @Daniel_K95
    @Daniel_K95 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the video

    • @Daniel_K95
      @Daniel_K95 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also me and my 3 friends are going to try this build with 4 kriegs

    • @DrippyBleedEm
      @DrippyBleedEm 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Daniel Knellor damn

  • @arkady116
    @arkady116 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Ones a scalpel, ones a hammer"... Wouldn't Krieg be a Axe not a hammer? :)

  • @travisbrown9372
    @travisbrown9372 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video man.
    can you do axton next for bl2 or claptrap for tps

  • @jaredgross9173
    @jaredgross9173 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The deadly bloom is a good shield for him too

  • @alyssarichardson2544
    @alyssarichardson2544 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the melee bonus from Silence the Voices the same type of melee damage as the melee damage from BAR? I used profile editor to add +600% melee damage and not use StV. StV isn't challenging, it's just frustrating. I know it suits the character but it doesn't translate into good gameplay.
    Even without StV you still use a Rough Rider, can't use a roid shield in OP levels, makes you too squishy.
    I usually use Blood of the Ancients too to stack as much HP as possible, Pistol and Shotgun ammo (don't need Launcher ammo coz I can just use a Sham and Logan's Gun, it even sets me on fire)

    • @DemoniteBL
      @DemoniteBL ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, it's the same type of bonus. StV is 500% at 10/5 though, not 600%. Also the self hits from StV are also not increased by roid damage.

  • @happabirthday
    @happabirthday 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how do the "additional _____ bonus" skills work? for example, on empty the rage, if your spec'd 5/5 in it and your shield is down, do you get 70% (20% base + 50% shield depleted bonus) more melee damage or 50% (20% base is substituted to become 50% when your shield is depleted)? same question with pain is power and burn, baby, burn: is it 105% when on fire or 75%?

    • @8BitPinkiePie
      @8BitPinkiePie 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      the bonuses stack, you add the bonus from your shield down to your base

    • @Tyubirocks1
      @Tyubirocks1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrew Jones if it has a plus next to it it is added, but if there is not a plus it is not added.
      So it would be 70 for your example.

  • @SkyeBerryJam
    @SkyeBerryJam 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fuel the rampage is amazing when mobbing it allows you to stay in buzz axe rampage infinetly almost especially when paired with the bloodlust perks that let you stay in it longer and such.

    • @sir3543
      @sir3543 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mei
      Just get Release the Beast..

    • @christophercollins3632
      @christophercollins3632 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With RTB capstone, it’s often optimal to cycle in and out of BAR, so you can refill health.

    • @SkyeBerryJam
      @SkyeBerryJam 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sir3543 release the beast comes after FTR, I only take it for the heal and damage resist, and I don't need that until much later on

    • @sir3543
      @sir3543 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@SkyeBerryJam Uh.. what? Krieg has many other ways to heal himself. You take Release the Beast for the instant action skill refresh. The extra melee and damage resist is just a nice bonus.

  • @Slyness64209
    @Slyness64209 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To resume that hour of video in a sentence : with Krieg, the more you go aham, the more damages you have. That's it x)

  • @texteel
    @texteel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also, what is the DR cap? Does Krieg hit it with taste of blood+release the beast+numbened nerves + roughrider?

  • @MrBewbewbewbew
    @MrBewbewbewbew 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Flame Flare has been patched half year ago. I guess you didn't realize that beacuse it was with Cloud Kill buff.

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought it was but I wasn't 100% sure

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I also recall after it was patched some complained it still happened but not as often

    • @MrBewbewbewbew
      @MrBewbewbewbew 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You only burn yourself to death if enemies, barrels etc put fire DOT on you. Self ignite won't kill because every time when you reignite you just reset self DOT instead of creating new over and over again, like it was before. I've done run in Fridge with 10/5 Flame Flare 10/5 Burn. Baby Burn and 10/5 Fuel the Fire to maximize self ignite and reignite chance. After constant kills between enemies waves my health was burning down with same slow rate. So I guees some complained becaue some enemy put fire DOT on them and that DOT eventually kill them.

  • @eraflowski
    @eraflowski 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watched this entire thing? dang

  • @facundomorera9762
    @facundomorera9762 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You forgot about the top 1 weapon for Krieg: the explosive fastball

    • @AdminAbuse
      @AdminAbuse 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's only good for a glass cannon build imo, I rather have grenades with more utility

    • @thuliumberiliumcalcium1238
      @thuliumberiliumcalcium1238 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Step 1 : Hold moxxi weapon
      Step 2 : Throw fastball
      Step 3 : Unkillable

  • @maximus451
    @maximus451 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    will your thrown buzz Axe proc blood overdrive?

  • @DavidSantos-ix1hu
    @DavidSantos-ix1hu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bloodsplosion shotgun kreg is my favorite hes so give and take when it comes to damage but my god i cant be mad when im in fight for your life o suicide and kill a boss its too funny.

  • @TetrisPhantom
    @TetrisPhantom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    12% = 1:8.5
    Still seems worth it, though.

  • @randeschamps7101
    @randeschamps7101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're wrong about kreig not benefiting from bayenet weapons. It is true that he gets a bonus to melee with his buzzsaw axe however if you are using a roid shield then the bonuse he gets is eclipsed by a bayenet weapon because his bonus doesn't effect roid shield damage. This is also true of the buzzsaw rampage plus 500% melee damage it doesn't affect roid damage just base melee. So if using a roid shield your better off using a melee weapon if not well yeah go without one for kreigs bonus.

  • @oberon7128
    @oberon7128 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    krieg can boost infinity's mag size apparently for whatever reason. but now i really want to go start a krieg. also holy f*ck sh#t that butcher moment.

  • @davidjohnson435
    @davidjohnson435 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Derch could you link a letsplay series of yours or something

  • @drewhil23
    @drewhil23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm lvl 20 need help lol feel like I'm always dying what should my skill tree be at

    • @Ser_Locke
      @Ser_Locke 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Middle for first few levels

    • @drewhil23
      @drewhil23 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ser_Locke is embrace the pain worth getting or skip that ?

    • @Ser_Locke
      @Ser_Locke 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drewhil23 if you are using melee more than guns-no
      If so-yes

  • @zacharyberg1829
    @zacharyberg1829 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine if they made buzz axe rampage instead of having the melee key do a melee attack like the primary fire does instead it deploys a slag nova. I would have to name my Krieg Salvador it would probably be so op.

  • @marce3893
    @marce3893 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can make a level 72 run through Friendship Gulag without using Moxxi healing at all. If anything, Krieg is the one who doesn't need Moxxi weapons to stay alive. If you go into a flesh map, it's a ride. Same thing for OP levels as FotF novas keep healthgating you. So, as long as you don't get a DoT, it's easier than playing at OP0. One thing I don't like though, is using explosive weaponry in Hellborn builds as not setting DoTs to enemies is too big of a loss in your survivability. So yeah, even if Krieg's explosive damage gets to ridiculous amounts, I still prefer going with Fire and Corrosion.

  • @pryt86
    @pryt86 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you going to continue the good bad and ugly for the pre sequel?

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah im just really dreading the next one, which is bandit AR's and the cry baby gun........ I have to just get over it and get it done

    • @pryt86
      @pryt86 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Derch Cool, im looking forward to what you have to say about the oz kits and class mods.

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah those should be way more fun than the cry babies

  • @rafaeluzcategui8378
    @rafaeluzcategui8378 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey there, Derch. Gotta a question here. You know what I haven't come to understand well is the penalty on critical with pain is power, I see my weapons do more but if the damage is increased and crit is decreased wouldn't that damage stay the same ultimately? But I see it's not quite te same as the basic crit damage so I'd like to see if someone can help me understand a little better what goes on there.

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Rafael Uzcategui it's type c critical hit, I covered it in my derch bye critical hit guy video with the formula or look up the crust formula in the forums, I think chuck made the thread. Just plug pip into the formula.

    • @rafaeluzcategui8378
      @rafaeluzcategui8378 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Derch Awesome, thanks! In the part about shields I also found that he does pretty well with the Antagonist (same as every character apparently) because even if you're not getting the slag balls too often that thing still has the damage resistance and you can run around bouncing bullets which it really helps.

  • @stephenreaves255
    @stephenreaves255 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would a kerblasters secondary explosion tick off blood bath?

    • @Derchlands
      @Derchlands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm pretty sure it does, it is a grenade as far as I recall

  • @arcturkeyturkey2099
    @arcturkeyturkey2099 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still here in 2024

  • @RedHiTops
    @RedHiTops 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry to be that guy but 12% is around one in 8 chances. I love it when you get a stv chain going

  • @ctse26
    @ctse26 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    He is a really good sniper. Proc bloodbath with a carnage, swap to sniper with a boost of 500% weapon damage...
    You'll be 1 shotting things with crit like a zer0 with ridiculous Critical Ascension stacks.