Stoeger Double Barrel Shotgun for Defense????
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- Review of the Stoeger side by side shotgun and the philosophy of using one for defense.
Using the shooting range at APT Academy just south of Springfield, Mo.
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Well only ,What Barrel Chokes, left ,right? Full? Imp Cyl, You need to ReRead manual!!! And your next video will be much more informative!!!
My barrel was cut down to 18.5 inches. This did a few things for me. 1.) shortened length which helps with storage, concealment, and maneuverability 2.) gets rid of my chokes so I don’t have IC on one barrel and Modified on the other barrel or whatever… both barrels are the same so my patterns are consistent regardless of barrel. I set up this gun for defense, not hunting. 3.) Lastly, it increases the spread of my shot patten. Thanks for watching.
@@Mogas0311 In this case your shotgun barrels' bores sans chokes would be labeled a "Cylinder Bore" choke - meaning, effectively, no choke at all. These work fine for close range defensive shooting. In fact, at 7 to 10 yards the pattern using double-aught buckshot remains the size of a softball. Only when out to 15 yards and beyond does the pattern from a Cyl Bore open up to volley- or soccer ball size or greater. Great vid. Thanks.
In 2011 there was no police in Egypt, I mean literally no police, and a lot of the prisoners have escaped from prisons.
My family had shops, farm lands and a small factory, in addition to our house of course 😅.
And we had to count on ourselves for almost a month to protect our lives and properties.
We had 9 mm Beretta pistols and side by side shotguns, and it did the job.
I'm talking about a country collapse scenario over here, so it is really tested.
Thankfully, this situation didn't last forever, because the Egyptian army secured the country after a month of all this madness.
Thankfully this is all from the past now and unlike other armies in the area, we had an army that ranks the safety of citizens as a priority.
Thanks for the video, it brought back some memories.
some bloody intense memories mate... thanks for the story though, glad it worked out well for your family
I’m really glad you guys made it through. I hope any losses were minimal
Which beretta pistols were they? Were they the M1951? Just curious.
Hats off to the egyptian army,a rare behaviour.
Thankfully you are able to write this. Good combo. 92fs and the side by side is some deadly power!
I knew an old man, Cotton was his name, and that's the only gun he had. He hunted birds, deer, squirrel and rabbit with it and it was his home defense gun as well. His had 26" barrels. I wish I knew where it went after he passed away, it was definitely a keepsake.
It's all the gun you need. Like you said, he did everything with it and probably never went hungry.
Sounds like a stoeger uplander
This is good information. Looking at getting one of these but I was wondering whether you could get away with a 26 inch barrel instead because... well honestly I just like the look better.
Don't worry, it's a great choice. This kind of gun protected homes with great success for a undred years in Europe.
Greetings from Belgium ;)
@@jewsrbad Well, my grandfather was a member of the resistance (White Brigades) and I know for sure that he used his boomstick on some germans before receiving better equipment from Britain
@@magritteetmoncouteau It works just as well against communist scum, which is who we SHOULD have fought against.
@@jewsrbad Look up the gulags.
@@IAM-n6z Nigga WTF!!! How u even know if it's a girl or not? What if it's a transgender or a extremely wrinkly old lady with no teeth (not bad of an option if u really desperate)?
@@IAM-n6z What the fuq is a gulag?
Just rewatched army of darkness recently and now I want a boomstick
** haha. Lots of cool movies out there with double barrel shotguns. One of my favorites is “Open Range” with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall.
James Bond used one in Skyfall.
Doomguy and yes evil dead love the movie and the game so much
Showed my lil sister that movie the other day and told her how much of a gem it was to find flipping thru the channels back in the day.
Okay. Here's a TMI testimonial.
My SO is a collector and has been for 100 years. He has let me use some of his firearms and I fell in love with the Stoeger O/U 20ga shotgun. As a "woman of a certain age" (that means old, by the way), I found it easy to handle, easy to clean. and fun to use. In fact, as a member of a woman's shooting club, I brought it with me when our bi-weekly assignment was to bring our home defense gun. Ha! I was the only one with a shotgun and it made short work of the paper target. In my opinion, two cartridges don't matter. You shoot one, and an intruder will have a sudden bladder/bowel problem immediately if you miss him. Just sayin'.
in addition to being a "woman of a certain age," I'm apparently weaker than my younger self. Okay. Whatever. But I can still open my own pickle jars. The thing is that this inexpensive shotgun is great for pleasure shooting, clays, targets, and it works really well as a home defense weapon. I haven't tried a side by side yet, but I think that's next. While I'd love a bespoke British shotgun ($100,000 anyone?), I'm happy with an inexpensive American shotgun that's fun to use. Thanks for this review. I may put my plans on purchasing a semi handgun on hold just to get my hands on another shotgun.
I could feel the cringe radiating from my phone screen. I double checked to make sure it wasn't 5G and it did the same thing on my desktop PC with my phone powered down.
Irene, My girlfriend is no happy camper when trying to use a handgun for home defense. She has an old Mossberg 20 Gauge shotgun she uses for her self defense and I may add not only does she like it she is really good with it to. Rock on.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post and attitude regarding the subject.
@@DougsDiggers Nigga u jus mad cuz don't nobody wanna hang around u.
Stoeger is an American company, but their shotguns are made in Brazil and Turkey.
Andrew, I love your "Tactical" light you have on your boomer. Simple but effective. A 20 gauge double barrel is nothing to sneer at for home defense. Great video by the way.
That is a pretty cool shotgun! I would say that is a viable option for home defense. Simple and effective!
I love mine..... right by the front door!! Mini shells at that! Perfect for an apartment!
Here all we can have are shotguns I chose a over under it was cheaper than a pump and mine is Russian friggin thing is built like a tank and rated for three inch magnums I have a variety of different rounds for it from num8 birdshot to rifled slugs does everything I need it to do and didn't cost a lot love that gun
@@halfcantan1208 I couldn't imagine a three incher in my double. OUCH!! lol
@@crankybuzzard6867 Bruh if u cain't evin handle three inches how u expect to handle 6?
@@halfcantan1208 Stoeger is rated for 3 inch as well.
I’m the proud owner of a Stoeger Double Defense SxS 12 gauge- I wouldn’t think you’d wanna stand in front of it. Even 7.5 shot does serious damage in close situations. One BOOM and they’ll be running like hell….
Always love a coach gun, just meat and potatoes. One of the best gifts I ever got.
I have one of these in 12 gauge, and I love it for all the reasons you state in your excellent video. Thanks for sharing!
Not a lot of social problems that 2 rounds of 12 ga won't solve. I don't imagine 20 ga would be significantly less effective.
I keep my coach gun by my bed loaded with buck and ball rounds (.65 caliber ball followed by 6 .00 buck)
I've had this one for years. Love it. It is one of my home defense item.
I just bought one of these in 20 gauge. Super compact, classic, and fun.
My grandad and grandma's 1950s 20 gauge Springfield Stevens double is still very effective on both game and threats. It has given way to my Mossberg 500 20 pump though. In a pinch I still will grab my FIE .410 single. Folks may think that a single or double barrel can't do the job because of capacity but like anything else if you practice with it you get faster. Shotgun is my first choice for an inside the house defense gun. Takes out a threat effectively but penetrates barriers less depending on your ammo. With bystanders in the house, #4 turkey load is a big deal. Thanks for sharing.
Another great presentation Andrew! You bring up some really valid points regarding the use of shotguns in home defense. Although no one will argue that capacity in “shotties” is a limiting factor, there is no argument on the effectiveness in a home defense scenario. The short stature and simplicity in the manual of arms makes this Stoeger a winner. Thanks for a review on something that isn’t an AR platform...Refreshing!
Your absolutely right! Thank you watching brother. 😎👍👍
TOTALLY AGREE! 👍
ANY GUN IS BETTER THAN NO GUN PERIOD!
I am from the South and we can only use Buckshot for Deer and Shotguns are part of our Heritage. I have about a dozen high end shotguns, but noticed many old timers in my Hunt club and switched over to the Stoeger 20" OV. Talking to them I found out they loved the gun. Picked one up and have been delighted. I also do a lot of walking through swamps and some really nasty area's. Never like taking a expensive gun into these places. I have shot the heck out of the Stoeger Outback. A few thousand rounds of Buck shot alone. Always reliable. The fact that you can get a 20" with the ability to change out Chokes is a huge plus. This shotgun has really surprised me. Tough construction, patterns very well with Slugs and anything I put in it. It is a true solid Utility Shotgun that does it's job perfectly.
Thanks. Bought a Stoeger couple months ago. Home defense. Only standard ammo around here (hoarders). Went home state and bought a few boxes of buckshot and slugs. Now I know what I got. Thanks for the vid.
Love short, simple doubles!
Thanks for the great video. In considering the venue of home defense, I think it’s more important to count the number of projectiles launched at a threat rather than the number of shots. That way, we have a more valid comparison. For example, your #4 buckshot launches 24 pellets that weigh about 20.7 grains and are .24 caliber each. Since many .22 caliber bullets weigh 40 grains, let’s halve the total number of projectiles from the shotgun and say it launches the equivalent of 12 .22 bullets with each trigger press. That’s like shooting a 10/22 12 times at an assailant with one aim and one press of the trigger. Plus, you have another 12 10/22 trigger presses behind that one with the second shell. That’s a lot of firepower.
I’ve seen a number of home invasions caught on surveillance cams, here on TH-cam. In virtually every one, regardless how well armed and how many are the invaders, each and every time, the invaders literally run over each other in an attempt to flee the scene. I submit, that you would have a difficult time finding historical evidence of a home defense situation where two rounds of buckshot, no matter the caliber, were inadequate to stop the threat. And these little guns are quick to bring into action....
Well done for a classic design with lots of history behind it.
4:06 As far as accuracy goes, the great thing about shotguns is that unless you're shooting slugs, you really don't nee dot be that accurate due to the shot spread. Obviously at 'in-house' ranges of (say) 3 to 5 yards, you're not going to get any real spread to speak of, but you can just point and shoot and a man-size target at 3 to 5 yards is a no-brainer. But at greater ranges, you're hit probability actually increases due to shot spread, up to a point. I have a sawn-off old Russian single shot with an 18.5" barrel and a couple of weeks ago I too a grouse at 35 yards with it using No. 8 shot.
I love my 12g coach gun for most of the same reasons. Compact. Easy to operate. Reliable and a blast to shoot.
What's really great about those is the ability to reliability use the mini shells. Less noise, less recoil, but still plenty of power to get the job done. One thing to note about the Stoeger is the firing pins are soft and mushroom over time. Hardened pins are available, 25 USD for a pair and the tool to change them is 14 USD. Easy upgrade.
This is a coachgun. Capacity versus length. Thank you!
Automatic ejectors would be nice. Great video.
What you mean is called just ejectors this here are extractors.
Great review. I just got the same gun. The other real benefit is that it’s inexpensive. I got mine including all transfer fees for just about $400. For a gun with nice wooden furniture like this, I thought was excellent. I bought some #3 buck shot which I think will make an excellent home defense round. I do want to see if there’s an after market recoil pad because it comes with nothing but the plastic butt plate.
You sold me...I was looking at shotguns and have a Stoeger 20 gauge on hold . I was looking for something just like your video, and wow, I'm sold. Thank you.
Richard Lopez I think you will be very happy with it. 😎👍
Hey, Andrew I just picked one up today (12 gauge). You gave a great overview and after a couple range sessions where I remove some paint from a few steel targets, it's going under my bed. I still have the Beretta .45 in the biometric safe within easy reach, but nothing wrong with a double-barrel for when things go bump in the night. Besides a double-barrel brings out the kid in us all. Stay safe and thanks for the quality content.
Love 20 gauges , I switched up from 12's about a decade ago never looked back . That's a great rabbit gun to
It's very nice.The Chiappa triple threat is also pretty good. I like the overall simplicity as well as stopping power.
I just bought my wife the upland 26” version of this for Christmas so she can go shooting clays with me like she’s been wanting too. It shoots smooth and will be lots of fun I think for her.
Honestly this seems like the most useful in terms of just needing to get the job done.
I love it
Here in France, most of the time people use the traditional "side by side" or "over under" shotgun. I have one short side by side for home defense, as for me the best choice, simple and powerful. Nice video !!! Greetings from France !
I love all double barrell firearms( derringers, revolvers, combination rifles and shotguns). The side by side shotguns are legendary but the over/under shotguns are modern and cool looking. The ability to be able to select which barrell to shoot on an over/under is also a nice option. This option is also available on a side by side shotgun with external hammers and/or double triggers. In conclusion, I feel very safe protecting my home with my double barrell shotguns.
Nice to see someone who realized “Tactical “ is shorthand for jackass bait.
LOL...Love it..
Nigga u jus mad cuz u ain't tactical!
Dan Mueller 🤣
@Xavier C AWWWW, nigga I luv u.
@@danmueller3117 Tactical > Old shit at least for me
#3 buck...empty both barrels and reload. Re-apply as necessary! lol
Thats 40 pellets of regret for aggressor.
I have a yildiz side by side 12 Guage. 28 inch barrel
I just bought a stoeger 12 Guage. It has 20 inch barrel. I love both.
I have the same thing in 12... love that gun
i removed the auto safety feature and took it down to over legal limits also sandpapered the chambers to allow ejectors to work more efficiently
Can you do that and still keep the safety toogling or you lost the safety completely? It's annoying that it locks on reload. I wonder how Stoëger/Boito managed to fk up a 100 years old project this way.
Samir S the safety still works but only manually i just disengaged the auto safety for faster reloading, (home defense) cowboy action shooting also love to
disengage the auto safety ill try to attach a video how to do it. its very easy
Samir S th-cam.com/video/FrtBEi1csOA/w-d-xo.html
thumbs for the "OVERALL LENGTH" effect
Love your sweatshirt, brother. I was a corpsman with WPNS 3/5 (1992-94) and 2/5 BAS (2004-2005). Great video, too!
Thanks! Got it at Mateo. I was with G 2/5 from 05-08.
If you are seriously considering a double barrel for defense, look at the Stoeger Double Defense. It comes with a light rail underneath the barrels and a rail on top for optics. Either 12 or 20ga, SxS or O/U and very affordable.
I own the Stoegar double defense SxS in 12 guage. The rails for the optics are great and I love this gun. I highly recommend it as well. Priced decently and the black matte finish gives it that though look. Nice light gun too and definitely my favourite. 👌
I own this gun as well IC chockes will shoot 8 birdshot down to slugs have owned it for 4 years very good for the price hasn't let me down
My 80 year old dad needed firearms for self-defense. He doesn't train regularly so a side by side and/or a revolver make perfect sense. I can see him getting confused under stress if he had anything more complex to manipulate.
In the real old days that's all they had pretty much. Everyone from the kids to the great grandparents used them for different roles and it was always enough.
i like em because i recently got 2 at a local pawn shop. a 1924 JJ weston belguim exposed hammer 12 gauge for $250, the ends of the barrel were pitted so i cut down to legal limit and i reload all my shells by hand with black powder and homeade shot. or recycled shot from old unstable shells ive collected and bought over the years. the other is a 1930s manhattan arms internal hammer 12 gauge for $200.
Good choice! Very cool! Practical and reliable, simple and effective ! And versatile, multiple ammo choices 👍
I've had the coach gun Supreme for several years and love it,recoil is min in this shotgun
Ash Williams from Evil Dead’s weapon of choice aside from the chainsaw
Stoeger makes a model called the double defense which comes with picatinny rails for lights and optics.
The first gun I ever purchased. It practically told me to buy it.
Stoeger should add shell ejectors for their self-defense models. That would help with faster reloading. With practice, it's formidable.
I believe the right barrel is choked down to IC, and the left is M. So, if you soot the buckshot from the left tube, it will be a little bit tighter (if you look under the handguard it will be stamped **** and *** for the choke value).
Good points. Two shots of 12 or 20 ga shoukd be enough for most situations. Crine tends to be a slitary activity- no partner means no one to blab. One small point you forgot to mention is that the followup shot is quite fast, with no need to cycle an action. As someone mentioned, the mini shells are an option (at least in 12 ga- do they make 20 ga?) for reduced recoil, and they will be effective. I heard that someone (maybe Federal?) is finally making a 20 ga load with #1 buck- 12 pellets i think. That would probably be just the ticket. I bought a 12 ga Stoeger for my best friend for his birthday in Nov of 2018 (he was going to start doing some CAS). Unfortunately he passed away at age 49 on 2-21-2019, before we ever fired it. We miss you, Big G. His sons have it now, so one of these days we need to go break some clays. Also, shotguns like this present a traditional, modest appearance. Civil juries are often turned off by accesorized "tacti-cool" firearms. And here in Kalifornia, i can just about guarantee that there will be a wrongful death lawsuit after almost any self defense shooting. Stay safe!
I have a couple of those in the house. One has a tube-shaped (no enlarged head) flashlight taped under the barrel. It puts light on the Point of Impact. The other has a little laser taped in position under the barrel. At night, shooting at a racoon fighting with my dog, it is nice to be able to get the head up off the stock so I can see the big picture. The laser is perfect for aiming.
Great video, I might consider investing in one or even two of the 12 gauge variants. And I would definitely be interested in seeing how it did with some of the other varieties of shotgun ammo.
I have taken a shine to the Uplander. I think it would be a great utility gun and easy to maintain. If it ever needed to launch a couple loads of buckshot at an agressor I think it would do fine.
Mine has double triggers as yours does. I like this for hunting options because you can load different shells and choose between them instantly. Also, I got mine with choke tubes. I have tubes from cylinder to double full. If you want to learn how to use one quickly, check out cowboy action shooting. Mine is 12 which I like for hunting. I think 20 is more than fine for home defense. I am no expert. I just have one. Love it. 3 inch federal double buck shells kinda hurt when you pull the trigger. 15 double buck projecticles per shell would more than hurt on the other end.
One thing good about a double barrel you can easily clean the barrel and if you read the schematic to take it apart.
But a double barrel side by side sights are different then a over and under, pump, or semi auto sights.
On the sights are more difficult then other shotgun sights.
I have the double defense 20ga..It comes with a rail for a light. I love it
Barackmycat yes, the rails are nice! I wish Stoeger had a way for me to attach one to this one.
@@Mogas0311 It has 3 screws into the center piece between the barrels. It may be possible with that model , not sure.
Barackmycat I’m sure it’s possible with the help of a gunsmith. Just nothing I could undertake at home.
Have my grandpops 12ga coachgun, my house defense an pest control, point an shoot, never fails, an multi ammo choices.
Yep love my double barreled shot gun got one in 12 gauge & in 410....both stroeger...
Nice video. For those of you considering this coach gun, you have the option of getting the coach gun supreme which has removable chokes. Put improved cylinder chokes on both barrels and the patterns will be tighter. Stay safe.
The only double I've ever fired is my Stoeger coach gun. I was amazed at how tight the pattern was at distance, and since mine is a 12-gauge, it's putting a .70-caliber slug downrange, not a .61
Underrated.
Two 00 buckshot shells.
Give them both barrels. Drop it and go to your pistol for remedial measures.
Like you said, no muss no fuss.
They may be cheap but their fun as heck and with some adjustments they work!!
I have the Stoega condor/tactical it is 945mm long from muzzle to heel !
12Ga goodness !
We own two...12 Ga for me and 20 Ga for the wife...gotta love em....we do!
That is one of the nicest looking shotguns ever.
I figure the police know a thing or two about shotguns. SOOOOO, I have a Mossberg 12 gauge pump loaded with 3" double OO buckshot. And I can use it for trap too. Many Police Departments. use the Remington 870, also a good gun.
Have the Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme. 12GA. Duel triggers and changeable chokes. Love it!!!
Robert Oberman I would like to get the supreme one day
The right barrel is improved cylinder and the left barrel is modified . At 7 yards mine will print 5" right and 4" left with #3 buck. It is my RV defense shotgun. I keep Brenneke slugs when in bear country. If you want sghts Truglo Gobble Dots will fit the rib.
i have the same one in 12 gauge i love it, great video
I have both 20 gauge and 410 gauge. Both are a hoot to shoot. Don't forget the chock effect.
I have the uplander with 28 inch barrels and love it!
Great review. I like the over and under version a bit better. Comes with fiber optic rifle sights and two screw in chokes and can accept different chokes.
Double barrel is indeed pretty versatile
An other reliablity advantage, two guns in one! Each barrel has an individual hammer and trigger.
so true
I had the same gun but sold it wish I never did.
Which barrel were you shooting? Improved cylinder or the modified? It's a great gun for the house. You have it set it up the right way👍🏻
I have one of these 20g Double Defenders on order. It has been over 4 months and no bang yet.
Everyone should own a double. Easy to operate from firing to field stripping can fire any shot you put through it (so long as you dont have a choke) and not alot to maintain or malfunction on the mechanical side.
It's a good idea to do the same testing with the left barrel as their POI will often be different between barrels on a SxS.
I want one soooooooo bad. Great video, Sir !!!
I have a Stoeger coachgun for SASS, secondarily for home defense which plays off nicely. If it did well in the wild west it will do well for most situations today.
Use Federal Flight Control 00-Buck,
8 Pellet, Reduced Recoil Load & Ur Pattern Will Be FIST Size...
nice video that properly explains the advantage of an old design. most folks would be better served with a break action shotgun for home defense. at in-home distances even #5 gameshot is effective. i have a h&r 20” 20 ga single shot with recoil pad and buttstock shell holder under my bed, which at $120 total is maybe 1/3 the cost of a stoeger double. while only one shot the h&r autoejects spent hulls making for a quick reload, probably a faster operation than the stoeger double with its manual extraction. 20ga is a perfectly adequate and easier round.
Hello my friend. What is the product number of this shotgun? I liked that the stock and forend were dark wood. Because I want to buy this and twin it with the Mossberg 500 retrograde.
I can’t remember. I bought it several years ago. I would just Google “ Stoeger 20 gauge side by side”.
Hey what's your light/mount set up? Looks great
coyote oaty this has become a reoccurring question so I posted a video on it specifically. Thank you for watching!
Andrew Morgan interesting
@walker jfs I have no idea. You could always call the ATF, they will be able to answer your question. Better safe than sorry.
Was that your Winchester pump? Love to see a video on that as well!
all it needs is ejectors
they have ejectors
@@sw640 so why was he picking out the spent cases by hand
@@sw640 sorry my reply came out sounding shitty i meant i didn't see them ejecting but im not much of a gun guy ,am i confusing extractors and ejectors
Daniel Walker this shotgun has an extractor when you pop open the action a T bar like rod pops them out, its not spring loaded its dependent on the force of the user, i also removed them polished them up and greased them, i also took off the auto safety feature that put the gun back into safety after opening the action. i have a KSG pump by my bed I also have a 590a1 full and shockwave version, i love the coach gun but i still keep the 15 round 12 gauge by my bed just in case im dealing with multiple intruders but the coach gun is an awesome weapon.
i also chamfered the barrels to allow the shells to be removed easier
Mr Morgan, how did you secure your flashlight to the barrels? Very well done video. You effectively explained your reasoning. Thank you.
You can totally partner this up with a revolver to make an effective low capacity duo! If things get really rough, you can finish up with an M1 Garand! Cowboy up!
You got some real class with a flash light taped to the barrel
Good video I’m considering one of these and I used to have a Mossberg model 500 field gun and 20 gauge and I had the barrel shorten down to 21 inches and it was a sweet little slug and I sold it to a friend. We don’t know what’s happening with 12 gauges in Canada right now they might ban anything over 20 mm are talking about but I think a 12 gauge is about 18 mm if I read correctly so I’m gonna hang onto my 12 for now but I like these coach guns
Another advantage not mentioned: it’ll defeat body armor. Might not punch through, but they’ll drop if they catch a slug to the chest. Chest full of broken ribs minimum. And seeing as you can buy body armor off amazon these days, that becomes a strong consideration.
Good presentation. 20 g. has many pellets. I plan to aim at the head as some of them pellets will poke an eye out. In 12g., Federal has a 3inch, 15 pellet #00 load which is extremely powerful. I think 2 shots out of this shotgun is enuf in a home defense situation as I do not think it is a good idea to stand out in the open blasting with any gun. 2 shots, get covered, reload and you will most likely see the back of the bad guys as they flee. I have yet to see a video where the bad guys stay and shoot back at the home owner.
Thank you for watching! 20 gauge is definitely underrated.
20 gauge is plenty powerful
If u ask me any gun is a viable tool but a shotgun of any kind tops the cake
Its even better when you add 3" Turkey loads!
I HAVE THE ROSSI OVERLAND COACH GUN, ALMOST THE SAME BUT HAS EXTERNAL HAMMERS.
Word of warning; Sellier and Bellot 00 buck, 2 3/4, does NOT work in this gun. Maybe I got a bad batch, but I've seen at least one other forum post saying the same. They fit the chamber, slide in real easy, but the brass lip is slightly too shallow causing them to slide too far into the chamber. When you try to open the gun, the extractor can't get a grip on the cartridge lip, and they jam the action. The only way to extract them is to disassemble the gun.
Alasdair Nicoll that’s really strange because I’ve ran several brands (about 6-7) and haven’t had an issue. I would double check your shells.
@@Mogas0311 yeah, everything else I've put through it was fine, Federal works, but S&B are definitely no-go's.Their 2 /34 cartridges are also 3 inches long, so I think their tolerances might be suspicious!