Fabulous, similar work done by Cleevely EV mobile service on my drive, including new filter and wheels off (rotating front to back) and hands on brake inspection. And for almost exactly the same cost. James from Cleevely similarly coated all the exposed power terminals and lubricated the hinges. Didn’t need the brake tear down as we live a long way from any ocean. Brake pads similarly hardly used - car is in Eco mode, regen level 3 90+% of the time.
Because of this video when I bought a used 7 month old 2021 Kia Niro EV with 15,500 miles and no maintenance, I insisted the Kia dealership near my seller do a used car inspection and change the gear reduction oil. They charged me far more than your shop and seemed to do far less work. My gear reduction oil was golden unlike yours, but I'd rather have replaced and it be golden than your dark oil and have not replaced.
For you information, I remember asking you for 30,000 mile servicing. I went to the dealership and all they said is to drain the coolant system and refill it with new coolant. I spend £160 to buy the coolant from the Kia dealership. I could be wrong, but I remember buying 7 L of coolant. Cost me approximately £160.
Another great video Jonathan, thank you! 👍 Very interesting to see that even having more done than is required by Kia for the first service the cost is very reasonable indeed. Fascinating to also see just what the mechanics did - I hadn't realised the brake assembly is quite like it is. I decided to lease my Hyundai Kona over a 2-year period and opted not to take the service package that was offered by the dealer because I wanted to see what the actual service cost would be. I'm pretty sure it will be far less than the hybrid cars I had previously. The servicing will be done at a Hyundai dealer, just to keep things easy from the lease point of view but it was very interesting to hear that Kia will allow non-main dealer garages to carry out servicing and not void the warranty, which most other manufacturers will do. I live in Nottinghamshire so no salty sea spray to deal with but I've noticed the brakes can sometimes grate a bit as they are getting almost no use due to me using level 3 regen all the time.
Really enjoyed this, didn't know about HEVRA, my egolf is due it's 3year service and there is a HEVRA garage relatively close here in the south of Scotland. Thank you
If you slightly loosen the refill plug before draining the oil, the oil will pour out more smoothly. I have an owner with a July 2021 made Kona EV (same drivetrain), reduction gear failure at 30,000 miles and motor bearings failure at 12,000 miles.
@@JonathanPorterfield Is that extended warranty ? In Canada we get 5 years / 60,000 miles. Speaking again about the reduction gear, from what I understand Hyundai/Kia are completely in denial if an owner is asking for oil change (they say it's lifetime oil). No one understands why some owners get very black oil with only few miles on the car (another forum owner had only 1400 miles and the oil was completely burned black on a 2022 Kona EV), I'm going to guess it happens mostly with owners who do hard accelerations more often, maybe also on cars using Regen 3 more often. It has to do with the amount of torque on the reduction gear whose metal may not have been hardened enough for more demanding operating conditions.
Still a really good price even with those extra tasks due to the environment you live in - Great video and clear info :) Any car in high dust/salt/pollution environments needs extra service so before any pro fossil drivers comment for an ICE car that invoice would probably of been an extra £150-£200 more due to the extra filters and oils that would of needed changing.
Well done, excellent service. I paid for my first service on my VW e-up here in southern Germany 180€ incl. breakfluid change but no pollenfilter exchange after 2 years and about 15.000km driven. In comparison to your KIA service I feel robbed....
Brilliant Video , in a few months time I will email a link to my excellent local garage and get them to do the same.(I'm not very impressed with my local Kia dealer) So my local company may as well have the business.
Very interesting and I can’t wait to see the next service. But I must say BUY EK you get around a lot, you must be driving in circles all day and night on that island 😂😂
The total cost for everything done is very low! A proper brake service, just the brake service here in Canada, costs 200$ CDN. Also, changing your reduction gear oil is a very good idea because it is the cause of problems that can lead to replacement of the reduction gear. Nicely done video. Thanks for sharing.
Its better to put wipe on battery terminals thicker grease than spray grease. Also copper ease where the alloy wheel meets the brake disc/hub as alloy wheels are known to get stuck due to corrosion between the two metals (alloy and steel). They didn't grease the door hinges or latches with thick grease. Were the wiper blades checked ?
Thanks for your comments, yes the wiper blades where checked, and years of experience with serviceable items and grease/ spray/ lubricants, my HEVRA garage uses what works here in Orkney.
Johnathan, great vid as usual. Does the local Hevra garage carry out software upgrades, I’m assuming not, so do you tie this in with a trip south, or are you not concerned about the upgrades? Thanks in advance
Was that your Leaf? I recall (from your channel) that you had some concerns with the Leaf so I am surprised you still have it. I'm thinking of buying a used Leaf (I'm a low mileage driver). would you recommend it?
@@mickinmerton8053Hi yes I had lots of (non bev) issues which was nearly all rectified by Nissan after the FO got involved. We moved to the east midlands and was considering ditching the leaf but as its only done 68k mi.es and more importantly I'm hoping to return to the phv/taxi industry I'll be restarting the vlog to finish the long term ownership for taxi drivers. Cheers
I paid ~70 € for error code check. Kia dealer even didn't notice low voltage of a 12V battery. I didn't know it is possible to use any car workshop. Will need to read my warranty book to see if I can avoid low value but high price maintenance services from official local representative
That's a bargain, for the 'e', Honda charge a standard £175 for a basic 1st year/10k service and all I got (assuming they actually did anything) for that was: Inspect front and rear brakes. Check expiry date for tyre repair kit bottle Every year. Visually inspect the following items: Driveshaft boots, Tie rod ends, steering gear box, and boots, Suspension components, Brake hoses and lines (including ABS/VSA), All fluid levels and condition of fluid, Under body battery cover. A stamp in the book. If I asked them to do the same work as the HEVRA garage you used I expect that they would have charged at least double the basic £175 service cost. BTW - When I enquired, they were charging the same 5yr fixed service price for the e as the ICE cars! Year 2 is currently £225 with year 3 at £250 Note that the corrosion warranty is only valid if Honda inspect the car and stamp the book every year, if you take it anywhere else then you're not covered as stipulated in the Honda T's & C's.
You have to be joking about cost at a Kia. I’ve the same E Niro 4+ blue as you. My first service at Kia Eastbourne East Sussex was £146 and they wanted a further £40 to update the satnav even though it’s free to download from the Kia website. Needless to say that the last they’ll see of me.
@@jm31828 it is not in the manual for it to change, but having seen alot of real life cases of the reduction gear failing due to no oil change I would persist or go some where else.
Thank you for your upload. Very detailed servicing. Can you tell me what is the 30,000 mile servicing for Nero EV? And how do you add on battery fluid or check the battery fluid? Thank you
EVs don't have 'battery fluid' , so no 'top up' is required. When my 30k service is carried out I will video it. It will be the same services as the one you've watched.
I'm wondering about the state of battery health test. Did you not do that because it is new? When should one do a State of Health battery test? Thank you.
Hi , my e niro is due it's 1st MOT in April 2024 , so i will video this and its 3rd service , and show the state of health (SOH) of the battery. I checked last week and its still 100% 👍
Hi, Jonathan thanks for do this video. I'm a recent owner of a Kia, in my case it`s a E-Soul 64kw. What is the type of transmission oil of our cars? I'm really interested on it, because I read for a possible problem in the motor or transmission box, and I'm questioning if it's possible the problem are in the lubrication routine in the services (not appear in the service manual, and KIA not does) and obviously in your video, the oil have a change of colour, and perhaps lost his propieties with the use and the past of time. Thanks and regards!!!
Thanks Jonathan, your garage charged you half of what my Ford Dealership charged me for my Fiesta's first service and subsequent 2nd, 3rd and what might be my 4th, if I keep it going until 2024 when the EV I want to drive will be released to the British drivers - the Renault 5e.
....and this is how main dealers make their money , not on the sale of a new car ( very little margin to the dealer per unit) but on your returning for that sought after main dealer stamp that means little as regards them completing a 'proper' service 🙄. Ive been behind the scenes at main dealers , and its all an act , if the mechanic is 'just following orders' then thats what he will do , as its all in the manufacturers service schedule, and then the service receptionist will charge you for it ! 😉
@@JonathanPorterfield How true. I get deluged by our "partner" VW main agent demanding that we book our car in to give them money. We bought our ID.3 used in March 2022 and it was 2 years 3 months old with 11,800 miles covered. There was a fault with the 12v battery which showed very quickly so I booked in to them to have it replaced under warranty. I got a full video of an inspection and then a video with a list of recommended work which included changing two tyres with 3.8mm of tread at nearly £200 a tyre, a first service which was "overdue" at £250 plus parts and replacing the brake fluid for about £80. All plus vat ... More recently they have been emailing me to get the car checked before the 3 year warranty ends and to give it it's first MoT. In fact, it was MoT'd on 1st March this year so still has nearly 4 months MoT. Clearly they didn't check. Also, I have had to book it online for a software upgrade. They are supposed to invite customers in but have not done so. They called me back and tried to sell me a service and MoT. Interestingly and annoyingly you don't get a service book with an ID.3. VW keep all that information online. I'll just keep my records in a file which in reality will only ever be needed for warranty claims or when I come to sell the car in a decade or so.
Hi Jonathan. I got charged £239.76 by my local Kia garage today - second service. And what did they do? well there was a cap missing off one tyre valve and they left that. They said they did a software update and didn't, but they did charge me 16.66 for an SD card & I have no idea where it is, neither did they when I called them to ask. They claim to have changed the brake fluid but have only charged 6.64 for fluid, so I have my doubts about that. Tomorrow I'll be looking at the pollen filter, checking the air in the tyres and checking if the washer bottle is full or not. I have my doubts!
Main dealers eh ! I dont trust any of them , never have , never will ! Independent garages and HEVRA members where you meet the mechanics/ owners have always been a good experience 👍
Thanks Tim for your question, reason being it was black , i had expected it to still be clear , and after reading of other owners changing the oil , i decided to as well. Probably not necessary especially with Kia,s 7 year warranty , but i intend keeping my e niro till i stop driving !
@@paulaxford6754 I agree, it’s definitely not normal. I have 2020 Eniro. I am seriously concerned that these frequent reports of early black gear oil suggest there is something seriously wrong with the design or the manufacturing materials used. I was hoping to keep this car for very many years, but this concerns me. Has anyone had a sample to the oil labs for analysis of wear metals etc yet? I think I will replace my oil soon. Also, does it go black again even after replacement once or twice? Peter
@@ThePrawlin As you might be aware, a number of Kona owners on InsideEVs and HyundaiKonaForum have been reporting oil changes for about 7 months now and we have five used-oil analyses so far. By most accounts the black oil is caused by a defective or inadequate internal magnet which seems to affect ALL examples. The simple fix is change to a Votex DP007 or Toyota 90341-18057 magnetic plug, or simply place a 20mm diameter x 5mm neodymium magnet on the outside of the OEM plug, drain and/or fill at your option. Whether dirty oil is connected to the wheel-of-fortune (tapping) noise remains to be determined. I'm checking mine every 2,000 km (with magnetic plugs) and at the last check the oil was perfectly clean.
I heard that to keep the 7 year warranty intact the E-Niro had to have its battery coolant/heater fluid changed every year at the cost of a few hundred £€$?
@@JonathanPorterfieldHi Jonathan. Just wondering if you have had the coolant change yet due to crystallising etc!? I know Kia/Hyundai do it on the 4th service (or separate to it) so yours isn't needed yet but will you get it done when required!?
Hi, I have a Kia E Niro as well now with 70.000 miles. I want to change the gear reduction oil as well after seeing your video, I never changed it so far. I always done the service at the Kia dealer and funny enough they never recommend me to change the oil. I called them recently and asked to have the oil changed and they told me that it is not required and they can not do it even if I actually want and pay to have it changed. What should I do? What do you recommend, I want to have the oil changed but I don’t want to loose the warranty and also who can change it for me? What type of oil to buy? Thanks for help
Gear Reduction Oil specification Oil-Transmission GL - 4 SAE 70W Hyundai Part Number 04300KX18A I believe it is 1.5 litres Try a local garage as it is just draining & refilling oit or a HEVRA Garage
There are 4 jacking points at each end of the sills, a 2 tonne scissor Jack or better still a trolley jack. You can fit a full size alloy wheel & tyre in the spare wheel well
A general question and not Kia specific. If the 12v battery fails or gets to a low state of charge on an EV. Will the electronic parking brake and or electronic ‘hand’ brake release? Around here, there’s lots of hills. Im concerned that a parked vehicle, could without warning, descend an incline. Or is it a bit like air brakes, that actually require power to release the brakes?
@@sko1beer - Don’t know about all cars but I’ve seen lots of both Hyundai & Kia EV 12v battery problems. When they go flat, owners have to use the traditional physical key to gain entry, as the doors and boot lid remain locked. They then have to ‘jump’ the 12v battery with a booster, to get all the 12v systems working. Longterm, the OEM 12v battery that Hyundai supply for both Hyundai & Kia EVs, is a weak item; and should in my humble opinion, be replaced with a decent aftermarket battery. You don’t need a high CCA battery but you do need a battery, that perform well in low states of charge. As the system that is suppose to keep the 12v battery topped-up, just doesn’t seem fit for purpose. If it was, there wouldn’t be so many people complaining about Hyundai or Kia 12v batteries lasting less than a year; or having to have multiple OEM 12v battery replacements during a lease period.
@@dcvariousvids8082 thanks I knew the 12v was a problem on Tesla’s I never it was that bad on the Korean cars as well. I only got my car yesterday and from a lot of other TH-cam videos I will swap it out for a boating battery when this one dies 👍
They will not release on the Kia e-Niro. The 12V battery drained on my e-Niro numerous times (until I discovered the problem, which was a parasitic draw from the electric seat motor). My drive is on an incline. The parking brake stayed set. It would have to be considered a major engineering design flaw if any car, EV or not, started rolling freely when the driver had originally set the parking brake, merely because of a loss of 12V battery power.
@@Serge0329 as it is something i wanted to do as i intentend to keep the e niro for year to come and keeping this reduction gearbox oil clean will only help reduce wear on that 1 and only reduction gear from the drive motor.
what year is your Niro my 2022 requires battery coolant flush @37k low conductivity fluid # UM020CH237 dealer wants to charge me $400 requires 14 liters does your OBD device allow you to run the coolant pump maybe I could invest in one ... @$42 a bottle for 7 bottles in total (each bottle you get 2 liters (kia) gear Oil part # UM015-CH080 you need 2 of those technically one but incase it spills
I've recently had a problem with my kia e niro after 10months home charging Type 2 AC 7.2kw is no longer working has anyone else had this issue? if so how did you resolve it. home charger is working fine I've checked on another kia e niro.
Take it back to Kia , will be under warranty , sounds like the on board ac charger fault. Also check the pins are clean in the charge port and your type 2 connector.
To be honest Jonathan I believe that a full brake strip, clean and lube should be part of any annual service. I had Cleevely do the brakes on our ID.3 (I can hear your groans) and probably will every year. The amount of crud on our roads here in middle Earth, er I mean England is horrendous and we're just approaching gritting season as I type this (November 2023). I thought that tyre wear was slightly excessive on our ID.3 though yours seemed far worse than ours. I'm about to have some Michelin Cross Climate 2's fitted all round ready for the worst of winter (we do get occasional heavy snow falls and icy roads) so if there is a penalty for range I'll live with it trading safety instead. We travel below average miles anyway so the small extra cost incurred will still be well below that endured for fuel by fossil drivers. At the next service I'll be having brake fluid replaced (more than 3 years by then) and the gear reduction oil is on my list though I see no reports of issues in the VW ID range, yet. We are planning to bring our ID.3 to Orkney next year (2024). Just giving you plenty of notice because I wouldn't like the shock if you see it to bring on a medical emergency. 😉
Thats great , i look forward to see you up here in your ID3 !! I dont 'hate' these evs , just not my 'cup of tea' , and i should hold my tongue 😜 more often 😜
If you are on home soil when we are up there perhaps we could meet up for a beer or even a bite to eat. Would be good to meet the man who was the main inspiration for me buying my partner an EV.
Always open the fill port 1st! If you have a problem opening that... draining the oil 1st is not a good idea. From bad previous experiance!
Correct - and torquing the wheel bolts in the correct sequence would be another good idea 👍🏻
Great video Johnathon, nice to see a pollen filter easy to get at for a change instead of having to twist yourself in half to get it out!
Great tips Jonathan, thanks, really enjoyed that. 👍
Fabulous, similar work done by Cleevely EV mobile service on my drive, including new filter and wheels off (rotating front to back) and hands on brake inspection. And for almost exactly the same cost. James from Cleevely similarly coated all the exposed power terminals and lubricated the hinges. Didn’t need the brake tear down as we live a long way from any ocean. Brake pads similarly hardly used - car is in Eco mode, regen level 3 90+% of the time.
Thanks for sharing, James is great !
Because of this video when I bought a used 7 month old 2021 Kia Niro EV with 15,500 miles and no maintenance, I insisted the Kia dealership near my seller do a used car inspection and change the gear reduction oil. They charged me far more than your shop and seemed to do far less work. My gear reduction oil was golden unlike yours, but I'd rather have replaced and it be golden than your dark oil and have not replaced.
For you information, I remember asking you for 30,000 mile servicing.
I went to the dealership and all they said is to drain the coolant system and refill it with new coolant. I spend £160 to buy the coolant from the Kia dealership.
I could be wrong, but I remember buying 7 L of coolant. Cost me approximately £160.
My 3rd service video is 'in the making' lots of footage to edit !
@@JonathanPorterfield I have not seen the video for your 20,000 mile service yet
Another great video Jonathan, thank you! 👍
Very interesting to see that even having more done than is required by Kia for the first service the cost is very reasonable indeed. Fascinating to also see just what the mechanics did - I hadn't realised the brake assembly is quite like it is.
I decided to lease my Hyundai Kona over a 2-year period and opted not to take the service package that was offered by the dealer because I wanted to see what the actual service cost would be. I'm pretty sure it will be far less than the hybrid cars I had previously. The servicing will be done at a Hyundai dealer, just to keep things easy from the lease point of view but it was very interesting to hear that Kia will allow non-main dealer garages to carry out servicing and not void the warranty, which most other manufacturers will do.
I live in Nottinghamshire so no salty sea spray to deal with but I've noticed the brakes can sometimes grate a bit as they are getting almost no use due to me using level 3 regen all the time.
Really enjoyed this, didn't know about HEVRA, my egolf is due it's 3year service and there is a HEVRA garage relatively close here in the south of Scotland. Thank you
Hah! I’ve just ordered a new e-Niro, and I just this morning happened to watch your 6000 mile review where you promised this one. Excellent timing!
Thanks for watching and your comments 🙂 the e niro is just a great all round EV , enjoy it 😀 👍
If you slightly loosen the refill plug before draining the oil, the oil will pour out more smoothly. I have an owner with a July 2021 made Kona EV (same drivetrain), reduction gear failure at 30,000 miles and motor bearings failure at 12,000 miles.
Good to know , thanks 👍 i will keep changing this oil ! Thankfully the whole niro is under the 7 year 100k mile warranty !
@@JonathanPorterfield Is that extended warranty ? In Canada we get 5 years / 60,000 miles. Speaking again about the reduction gear, from what I understand Hyundai/Kia are completely in denial if an owner is asking for oil change (they say it's lifetime oil). No one understands why some owners get very black oil with only few miles on the car (another forum owner had only 1400 miles and the oil was completely burned black on a 2022 Kona EV), I'm going to guess it happens mostly with owners who do hard accelerations more often, maybe also on cars using Regen 3 more often. It has to do with the amount of torque on the reduction gear whose metal may not have been hardened enough for more demanding operating conditions.
5 years Hyundai, 7 years kia in UK
@@JonathanPorterfield Ah, that's for marketing reasons, trying to increase Kia sales. Interesting.
Thanks very much. Gets us off to a good start with our first EV.
Still a really good price even with those extra tasks due to the environment you live in - Great video and clear info :) Any car in high dust/salt/pollution environments needs extra service so before any pro fossil drivers comment for an ICE car that invoice would probably of been an extra £150-£200 more due to the extra filters and oils that would of needed changing.
Well done, excellent service. I paid for my first service on my VW e-up here in southern Germany 180€ incl. breakfluid change but no pollenfilter exchange after 2 years and about 15.000km driven. In comparison to your KIA service I feel robbed....
Clear and precise. Thanks!
Thanks for your comments 👍
Really informative video, narration explains beautifully
Thanks for your support Richard 👍
Very helpful, J, as I'll be looking for an e-Niro soon.
It's a great EV !
After seeing the black oil coming out maybe a magnetic plug should be fitted at the next service.
My Hyundai Ioniq 28kw is just about to have its first service. I live in Jersey so hope I get similar service at a similar price!
Great video thank you I’ve just subscribed.
Thanks for watching and your comments 🙂 appreciated 👍👍
Awesome information ❤️
Thanks for watching, the 3 year service video is 'in the works' and its 1st MOT
Very interesting from a future EV buyer.
Do it , you wont look back !
Nice video ..
Brilliant Video , in a few months time I will email a link to my excellent local garage and get them to do the same.(I'm not very impressed with my local Kia dealer) So my local company may as well have the business.
Say what you want about the Niro EV but it looks like a car that is easy to work on compared to some out there.
I was quoted £149 per service at a Kia dealership and that didn’t include any fluid changes nor replacement of cabin filter.
Very interesting and I can’t wait to see the next service. But I must say BUY EK you get around a lot, you must be driving in circles all day and night on that island 😂😂
Into town and back is 20 miles , nearest coop is 12 miles round trip , it soon adds up !
Will have to look for the 2nd year service now!
Yes , coming soon 🙌 👏
The total cost for everything done is very low! A proper brake service, just the brake service here in Canada, costs 200$ CDN. Also, changing your reduction gear oil is a very good idea because it is the cause of problems that can lead to replacement of the reduction gear. Nicely done video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for your comments and watching 👀 🙂
Its better to put wipe on battery terminals thicker grease than spray grease. Also copper ease where the alloy wheel meets the brake disc/hub as alloy wheels are known to get stuck due to corrosion between the two metals (alloy and steel). They didn't grease the door hinges or latches with thick grease. Were the wiper blades checked ?
Thanks for your comments, yes the wiper blades where checked, and years of experience with serviceable items and grease/ spray/ lubricants, my HEVRA garage uses what works here in Orkney.
Johnathan, great vid as usual. Does the local Hevra garage carry out software upgrades, I’m assuming not, so do you tie this in with a trip south, or are you not concerned about the upgrades? Thanks in advance
Hi ,software upgrades will be from Kia only , but TBH im fine with my screens set up. Thanks for your question, and your support of my YT efforts 👌
Software updates can be performed easily at home from Kia’s official web page.
We had Beverly's 2nd MOT done two weeks ago and she passed with flying colours;) 68k miles and hopefully another 68k will be achievable! Cheers
Was that your Leaf? I recall (from your channel) that you had some concerns with the Leaf so I am surprised you still have it. I'm thinking of buying a used Leaf (I'm a low mileage driver). would you recommend it?
@@mickinmerton8053Hi yes I had lots of (non bev) issues which was nearly all rectified by Nissan after the FO got involved. We moved to the east midlands and was considering ditching the leaf but as its only done 68k mi.es and more importantly I'm hoping to return to the phv/taxi industry I'll be restarting the vlog to finish the long term ownership for taxi drivers. Cheers
@@FancyaBevMate It would be fantastic to see an update your vids were awesome
I paid ~70 € for error code check. Kia dealer even didn't notice low voltage of a 12V battery. I didn't know it is possible to use any car workshop. Will need to read my warranty book to see if I can avoid low value but high price maintenance services from official local representative
That's a bargain, for the 'e', Honda charge a standard £175 for a basic 1st year/10k service and all I got (assuming they actually did anything) for that was:
Inspect front and rear brakes.
Check expiry date for tyre repair kit bottle Every year.
Visually inspect the following items: Driveshaft boots, Tie rod ends, steering gear box, and boots, Suspension components, Brake hoses and lines (including ABS/VSA), All fluid levels and condition of fluid, Under body battery cover.
A stamp in the book.
If I asked them to do the same work as the HEVRA garage you used I expect that they would have charged at least double the basic £175 service cost.
BTW - When I enquired, they were charging the same 5yr fixed service price for the e as the ICE cars!
Year 2 is currently £225 with year 3 at £250
Note that the corrosion warranty is only valid if Honda inspect the car and stamp the book every year, if you take it anywhere else then you're not covered as stipulated in the Honda T's & C's.
You have to be joking about cost at a Kia. I’ve the same E Niro 4+ blue as you. My first service at Kia Eastbourne East Sussex was £146 and they wanted a further £40 to update the satnav even though it’s free to download from the Kia website. Needless to say that the last they’ll see of me.
And i bet they didnt remove the wheels ? Or service the brakes ?
@@JonathanPorterfield
I know they didn’t because they sent a video clip of what they were doing, or perhaps I should say, what their not doing.
@@wobby1516 I won't be taking my eNiro to a Kia dealership for servicing then. Any recommendations for alternatives?
Gear Reduction Oil specification
its 70W not 7W
Oil-Transmission
GL - 4 SAE 70W Hyundai Part Number 04300KX18A
I believe it is 1.5 litres
Thats a good price for the change of reduction oil, here in Australia to get my Ioniq 28 kwh changed I was quoted $250 Aud ) 146 GBP
I can’t get my dealer shop to change my reduction gear oil- in fact they tell me it’s not ever supposed to be changed. :(
@@jm31828 it is not in the manual for it to change, but having seen alot of real life cases of the reduction gear failing due to no oil change I would persist or go some where else.
In ireland that service is 200 euro and they dont do half what u got done ,nice to know u dont have to use kia, thanks for the tip
Thanks for watching 👀 🙂 🙏
Just had my E Niro serviced, £177 for the second one (20k miles). Brake pads only 10% worn
Thank you for your upload. Very detailed servicing.
Can you tell me what is the 30,000 mile servicing for Nero EV?
And how do you add on battery fluid or check the battery fluid?
Thank you
EVs don't have 'battery fluid' , so no 'top up' is required.
When my 30k service is carried out I will video it.
It will be the same services as the one you've watched.
Does Kia service centre do the same job or it’s your garage only
It's a shame they don't make a van or campervan, I believe they'd be brilliant
I'm wondering about the state of battery health test. Did you not do that because it is new? When should one do a State of Health battery test? Thank you.
Hi , my e niro is due it's 1st MOT in April 2024 , so i will video this and its 3rd service , and show the state of health (SOH) of the battery.
I checked last week and its still 100% 👍
Hi, Jonathan thanks for do this video. I'm a recent owner of a Kia, in my case it`s a E-Soul 64kw. What is the type of transmission oil of our cars? I'm really interested on it, because I read for a possible problem in the motor or transmission box, and I'm questioning if it's possible the problem are in the lubrication routine in the services (not appear in the service manual, and KIA not does) and obviously in your video, the oil have a change of colour, and perhaps lost his propieties with the use and the past of time. Thanks and regards!!!
Gear Reduction Oil specification
Oil-Transmission
GL - 4 SAE 70W Hyundai Part Number 04300KX18A
I believe it is 1.5 litres
Thanks Jonathan, your garage charged you half of what my Ford Dealership charged me for my Fiesta's first service and subsequent 2nd, 3rd and what might be my 4th, if I keep it going until 2024 when the EV I want to drive will be released to the British drivers - the Renault 5e.
....and this is how main dealers make their money , not on the sale of a new car ( very little margin to the dealer per unit) but on your returning for that sought after main dealer stamp that means little as regards them completing a 'proper' service 🙄. Ive been behind the scenes at main dealers , and its all an act , if the mechanic is 'just following orders' then thats what he will do , as its all in the manufacturers service schedule, and then the service receptionist will charge you for it ! 😉
@@JonathanPorterfield How true. I get deluged by our "partner" VW main agent demanding that we book our car in to give them money.
We bought our ID.3 used in March 2022 and it was 2 years 3 months old with 11,800 miles covered. There was a fault with the 12v battery which showed very quickly so I booked in to them to have it replaced under warranty. I got a full video of an inspection and then a video with a list of recommended work which included changing two tyres with 3.8mm of tread at nearly £200 a tyre, a first service which was "overdue" at £250 plus parts and replacing the brake fluid for about £80. All plus vat ...
More recently they have been emailing me to get the car checked before the 3 year warranty ends and to give it it's first MoT. In fact, it was MoT'd on 1st March this year so still has nearly 4 months MoT. Clearly they didn't check. Also, I have had to book it online for a software upgrade. They are supposed to invite customers in but have not done so. They called me back and tried to sell me a service and MoT.
Interestingly and annoyingly you don't get a service book with an ID.3. VW keep all that information online. I'll just keep my records in a file which in reality will only ever be needed for warranty claims or when I come to sell the car in a decade or so.
Hi Jonathan what gear oil did you use if you can advise thanks
I cant remember, but i will cover this in my e niros 30k mile service and 1st MOT , due 11th April
Hi Jonathan. I got charged £239.76 by my local Kia garage today - second service. And what did they do? well there was a cap missing off one tyre valve and they left that. They said they did a software update and didn't, but they did charge me 16.66 for an SD card & I have no idea where it is, neither did they when I called them to ask. They claim to have changed the brake fluid but have only charged 6.64 for fluid, so I have my doubts about that. Tomorrow I'll be looking at the pollen filter, checking the air in the tyres and checking if the washer bottle is full or not. I have my doubts!
Main dealers eh ! I dont trust any of them , never have , never will !
Independent garages and HEVRA members where you meet the mechanics/ owners have always been a good experience 👍
Very interesting indeed. What was the reason for replacing the gear reduction oil?
Thanks Tim for your question, reason being it was black , i had expected it to still be clear , and after reading of other owners changing the oil , i decided to as well.
Probably not necessary especially with Kia,s 7 year warranty , but i intend keeping my e niro till i stop driving !
@@JonathanPorterfield It's surprising that the oil change is not in the service schedule, don't you think?
Because every Niro and Kona EV that has done an early oil change has found the oil black. That's not normal.
@@paulaxford6754 I agree, it’s definitely not normal. I have 2020 Eniro. I am seriously concerned that these frequent reports of early black gear oil suggest there is something seriously wrong with the design or the manufacturing materials used. I was hoping to keep this car for very many years, but this concerns me. Has anyone had a sample to the oil labs for analysis of wear metals etc yet? I think I will replace my oil soon. Also, does it go black again even after replacement once or twice? Peter
@@ThePrawlin As you might be aware, a number of Kona owners on InsideEVs and HyundaiKonaForum have been reporting oil changes for about 7 months now and we have five used-oil analyses so far. By most accounts the black oil is caused by a defective or inadequate internal magnet which seems to affect ALL examples. The simple fix is change to a Votex DP007 or Toyota 90341-18057 magnetic plug, or simply place a 20mm diameter x 5mm neodymium magnet on the outside of the OEM plug, drain and/or fill at your option. Whether dirty oil is connected to the wheel-of-fortune (tapping) noise remains to be determined. I'm checking mine every 2,000 km (with magnetic plugs) and at the last check the oil was perfectly clean.
I heard that to keep the 7 year warranty intact the E-Niro had to have its battery coolant/heater fluid changed every year at the cost of a few hundred £€$?
Nope !
@@JonathanPorterfieldHi Jonathan. Just wondering if you have had the coolant change yet due to crystallising etc!?
I know Kia/Hyundai do it on the 4th service (or separate to it) so yours isn't needed yet but will you get it done when required!?
Don't know about Kia, but with Hyundai, if you get it serviced at a main dealer, it renews another 12 months' Hyundia roadside assistance.
Basic roadside assistance ( AA , RAC , Greenflag etc ,) is cheap compared to paying extra for a main dealer service !
Did your e-Niro have the coolant leak recall work done?
It's not been recalled , it was only a certain batch of e niro.
Hi, I have a Kia E Niro as well now with 70.000 miles. I want to change the gear reduction oil as well after seeing your video, I never changed it so far. I always done the service at the Kia dealer and funny enough they never recommend me to change the oil. I called them recently and asked to have the oil changed and they told me that it is not required and they can not do it even if I actually want and pay to have it changed. What should I do? What do you recommend, I want to have the oil changed but I don’t want to loose the warranty and also who can change it for me? What type of oil to buy? Thanks for help
If you are in the UK call Cleevely EV. They are mobile and will happily schedule you in.
Gear Reduction Oil specification
Oil-Transmission
GL - 4 SAE 70W Hyundai Part Number 04300KX18A
I believe it is 1.5 litres
Try a local garage as it is just draining & refilling oit or a HEVRA Garage
Do you have any garage near Nottingham
Search HEVRA on google , and their website has a postcode search for the closest HEVRA member garage
How do you change the tyre? Can you use a jack?
No spare tyre in most EVs , just gunk to plug any hole.
There are 4 jacking points at each end of the sills, a 2 tonne scissor Jack or better still a trolley jack. You can fit a full size alloy wheel & tyre in the spare wheel well
A general question and not Kia specific. If the 12v battery fails or gets to a low state of charge on an EV. Will the electronic parking brake and or electronic ‘hand’ brake release? Around here, there’s lots of hills. Im concerned that a parked vehicle, could without warning, descend an incline. Or is it a bit like air brakes, that actually require power to release the brakes?
I’m not sure and would like to know I have seen other videos when the 12v goes flat the doors unlock
@@sko1beer - Don’t know about all cars but I’ve seen lots of both Hyundai & Kia EV 12v battery problems. When they go flat, owners have to use the traditional physical key to gain entry, as the doors and boot lid remain locked. They then have to ‘jump’ the 12v battery with a booster, to get all the 12v systems working. Longterm, the OEM 12v battery that Hyundai supply for both Hyundai & Kia EVs, is a weak item; and should in my humble opinion, be replaced with a decent aftermarket battery.
You don’t need a high CCA battery but you do need a battery, that perform well in low states of charge. As the system that is suppose to keep the 12v battery topped-up, just doesn’t seem fit for purpose. If it was, there wouldn’t be so many people complaining about Hyundai or Kia 12v batteries lasting less than a year; or having to have multiple OEM 12v battery replacements during a lease period.
@@dcvariousvids8082 thanks I knew the 12v was a problem on Tesla’s I never it was that bad on the Korean cars as well.
I only got my car yesterday and from a lot of other TH-cam videos I will swap it out for a boating battery when this one dies 👍
Good question , ive no idea !
They will not release on the Kia e-Niro. The 12V battery drained on my e-Niro numerous times (until I discovered the problem, which was a parasitic draw from the electric seat motor). My drive is on an incline. The parking brake stayed set. It would have to be considered a major engineering design flaw if any car, EV or not, started rolling freely when the driver had originally set the parking brake, merely because of a loss of 12V battery power.
Is gear reduction oil is same as topping up gearbox oil?
Yes , but check the oil grade is correct.
Changing the oil is better than 'topping up'
@@JonathanPorterfield thanks
I though EV cars don’t need any oil replacement? How many miles did you car had at this check up?
It's explained in the video!
@@JonathanPorterfield so just after 10k miles? but why?
@@Serge0329 as it is something i wanted to do as i intentend to keep the e niro for year to come and keeping this reduction gearbox oil clean will only help reduce wear on that 1 and only reduction gear from the drive motor.
@@JonathanPorterfield are you planing to do that every 10k miles?
@@Serge0329 for the cost of about £18 , yes !
what year is your Niro my 2022 requires battery coolant flush @37k low conductivity fluid # UM020CH237 dealer wants to charge me $400 requires 14 liters does your OBD device allow you to run the coolant pump maybe I could invest in one ... @$42 a bottle for 7 bottles in total (each bottle you get 2 liters
(kia) gear Oil part # UM015-CH080 you need 2 of those technically one but incase it spills
What's the gear oil you used?
Gear Reduction Oil specification
Oil-Transmission
GL - 4 SAE 70W Hyundai Part Number 04300KX18A
I believe it is 1.5 litres
Transmission oil change after only 10k mi? this is crazy
My choice, not stipulated by Kia !
I've recently had a problem with my kia e niro after 10months home charging Type 2 AC 7.2kw is no longer working has anyone else had this issue? if so how did you resolve it. home charger is working fine I've checked on another kia e niro.
Take it back to Kia , will be under warranty , sounds like the on board ac charger fault. Also check the pins are clean in the charge port and your type 2 connector.
To be honest Jonathan I believe that a full brake strip, clean and lube should be part of any annual service. I had Cleevely do the brakes on our ID.3 (I can hear your groans) and probably will every year. The amount of crud on our roads here in middle Earth, er I mean England is horrendous and we're just approaching gritting season as I type this (November 2023).
I thought that tyre wear was slightly excessive on our ID.3 though yours seemed far worse than ours. I'm about to have some Michelin Cross Climate 2's fitted all round ready for the worst of winter (we do get occasional heavy snow falls and icy roads) so if there is a penalty for range I'll live with it trading safety instead. We travel below average miles anyway so the small extra cost incurred will still be well below that endured for fuel by fossil drivers.
At the next service I'll be having brake fluid replaced (more than 3 years by then) and the gear reduction oil is on my list though I see no reports of issues in the VW ID range, yet.
We are planning to bring our ID.3 to Orkney next year (2024). Just giving you plenty of notice because I wouldn't like the shock if you see it to bring on a medical emergency. 😉
Thats great , i look forward to see you up here in your ID3 !! I dont 'hate' these evs , just not my 'cup of tea' , and i should hold my tongue 😜 more often 😜
If you are on home soil when we are up there perhaps we could meet up for a beer or even a bite to eat. Would be good to meet the man who was the main inspiration for me buying my partner an EV.
@michaelgoode9555 sounds like a plan Michael 👍
Can u share garage name and address? I don’t trust kia brent
It's on Orkney North of Scotland!
That was shockingly cheap, would be double in Spain 😂
Thanks for watching, my 2nd service is due next week , this will include new tyres and tracking down a whining noise !