In the book she tells one of his mistresses if I could give him up I would. He won't leave. They should have put than in the show. Put the other women in her place. I don't feel sorry for her at all, she wasted her life on a married man.
Well do you think staying by force for her actually wants that also.. she just doesn't want to take the blame for it.. that's why she asks him to be the one who left her ! She knows she's in a better place to do that unlike him.
I never truly feel bad for a mistress because in the end husbands rarely leave their wives. Claire gave him so many opportunities to leave, yet he continued to stay. He could've still been part of Brianna's life.
@@ayhalagala7467 are you forgetting that she thought Jamie was dead and had no reason to believe otherwise? Why risk your child's life to return to a time you don't belong in not knowing if your husband is alive or available.
@@hlagtrvenncvrenst5121 Because she couldn have found out that Jaime was alive, or even she could have decided that she would be better in that epoch with Jaime´s family. Frank always knew that sooner or later Bree will be back in that epoch, thats why he taught her how to shoot, ride and survive in the woods
but we find out later that he knew she was going back to Jamie so it all made sense when we got to the episode in season 4 with the flashbacks with Brianna
I think her character is meant to reinforce the fact that Frank was a desirable guy and his love for Claire kept him from committing to others fully. It is meant to shadow the undying love that Claire has for Jaime. Frank could never get over Claire like Claire couldn't get over Jaime.
Linda Karlsson well I think in a sence it gave Clare the push she needed to go back to jamie,to take that risk.have you read most of the books.itll be my first reading the fourth in the series😀
The irony is frank stayed with her to raise a child because he was sterile. Yet if she wasn't pregnant he might not have. Both were selfish in different ways
@@michelleflood8220 claire could find new love. She could also find jamie since there would be no frank to put a fake grave for jamie. Also you dont need a father for a father figure. Family friend is enough
Claire and Frank never had a real marriage, after Jamie. Frank loved Claire, but the Mistress loved him. I like Frank and Im happy he raised Brianna, but the mistress was right. He wouldve been more happy with her.
If only life were so easy, am I right? And marriages and relationships were perfect, and people only loved their spouses, and nobody cheated or got divorced and if only life was perfect.
@@anja6983 But that's not Claire's fault. She gave him so many outs and told him she wouldn't keep Brianna from him and he still stayed. Seems like the mistress should be angry with him, not Claire
Claire was quite a lady in this scene..She not only was calm & collected, but allowed the other woman to say what she needed to say, and afterwards she had a better understanding when she realize that Sandy loved Frank as much as she loved Jamie. She saw the pain in her eyes and knew it was the same as hers when she had to let Jamie go.
That mistress is crazy for blaming everything on Claire. It's not Claire's fault. A woman wouldn't make it as a single mother in 1950s UK! No social security for single mothers back then. She had no surviving relatives to take care of her and the baby. If she was unmarried, she would have been forced to give up Brianna for adoption in hospital. Also, Frank always refuse to divorce her
Her moment with Claire is a meant to be a powerful reminder of what one would give to have just one more day with the love of their life. It's meant to reinforce Claire to go back through the stones. I think her character is meant to show that Frank was a desirable guy and his love for Claire kept him from committing to others fully. It is meant to shadow the undying love that Claire has for Jaime. Frank could never get over Claire like Claire could never get over Jaime. This actress had one moment to make her mark and she nails it and brings the pained tears on. Great performance and a lot of spotlight on whoever this actress is.
Well said. A lot of people are calling Sandy a bitch but you have to look at it from her perspective, she had to share the love of her life with someone else, who doesn’t even want Frank. And yes while Claire gave Frank a choice, upon learning of his affair and discovering he did in fact have feelings for Sandy, she never made a move to get a divorce so he could pursue Sandy in public so he could learn to move on and have another chance at happiness. I understand Sandy’s feelings all too well sadly, because I too know what it is like to have to share the love of my life with someone else, to not be able to express my relationship in public because the other is in an empty marriage.. and it hurts.
Sing her praises all you want Lauro Andrea but the fact of the matter is she made a conscious choice to get involved with a married man. As far as I am concerned any words that come out of her mouth don't hold water.
Sasha I honestly don't give a fat rat about her perspective. She messed around with a married man knowing full well it was morally wrong. It disgusts me how you and others commenting are trying to justify and make excuses for her immoral behavior. I guess as a society we really have fallen off the wagon.
Livingston Hampton so by your very strong opinion on the matter, I don't presume you defend Jamie's and Claire's relationship, right? At the end of the day Claire was a happily married woman to frank before she went through the stones.
Claire should have told that side betoch off "Look Candy, if thats your real name? Frank had plenty of opportunities to leave this marriage, he chose not to, dont blame me for your low self esteem issues that u chose to carry on with a married man."😉
Yes. And also: "I offered Frank a divorce so he could be free to be with you. He chose not to, so he obviously didn't think you could have made him happy...sorry about that"
This is one of the divergence from the books that really kills me in the book Claire's interactions with the mistress leaves her in a position of strength. When the mistress brings up "why can't you just let him go! " Claire's quickest clapback " do you think your the first?? Your not he won't go anywhere with out Brianna. "
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I can't believe that girl had the nerve to say that to Claire, that was beyond rude. Probably wasn't brave enough to go to the house and say that knowing Claire would give just as good back without being in public.
She was right. She didnt love him anymore but she didnt leave him. I understand, being a single mother in that epoch was a shit but Frank always had hope that she would move on a everything will be normal again.
@@michelleflood8220 so? She was the daughter of another man and he knew from the begining. She was a constant reminder of what happened and he loved her as her father. Not many people could have done that, i dont think i could. He had hope, and he did what he thought would be best for Claire and Bree. Claire also thought she could leave the past behind
AyhalaGala yes I agree but Claire tried to get him to leave when she told him she was pregnant with Jamie’s child he could’ve left so he made his choice she didn’t force him to be with her he could’ve walked away at any point in Brianna’s childhood and still have her in his life his choice
@@michelleflood8220 she didnt try to make him leave, she gave him the choice. But he knew what kind of it would meant to her. To the people she was either an insane woman who has been kidnapped for years or just an adulteress who abandoned her husband for years, and she came back pregnant. What kind of life could she or Brianna would have had if Frank had left? He brought them to America so they could start over again, and that probably saved Claire and gave Bree a real childhood. He made that choice because he wanted Claire back but also because it was the right thing to do
Don't feel sorry for the mistress. Doesn't matter whether Claire and Frank should have divorced or not. It was her choice to get involved with a married man. Boo hoo! 🙄
Her: I could have made him happy Me: then why didn’t you??? Truth is both Clair and Frank were unhappy. Frank may have been his mistresses “love of her life” but Clair was his. His mistress could have never made him 100% happy because she’s not Clair. That’s the women he wanted but he couldn’t have. He would have always loved Clair. His mistress isn’t upset because Clair didn’t let him go. She’s upset because HE couldn’t let go and she knows that. The irony is they all chose this! Clair chose to be with a man that didn’t make her happy, frank chose to be Clair even though he knew she wasn’t in love with him and the mistress chose to be with a man that loved another women more than her. I would have told here join the fu*kin club we all unhappy.
CLAIRE FELT GUILTY THAT IS WHY SHE DID NOT DO IT BECAUSE SHE KNEW THAT WOMAN FELT THE SAME WAY SHE FELT ABOUT JAMIE........THAT WAS NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT PLUS SHE WOULD NOT MAKE A SCENE WITH BRIANNA & ROGER THERE
Well, if Claire was unfair to Frank, he was unfair to Sandy. He let her spend ten years of his life with a married man. And Sandy loved him truly. At one point, he is not so different from Claire: he lives clinging to a love that is no longer there and it hurts the woman who does love him . Anyway, I hate the marriage of Claire and Frank. She stopped being a force of nature as soon as she returned with him.
I pity frank, I mean, in the beginning, Claire tried everything in her power to get back to frank. They both loved each other dearly. But then, Claire fell in love with Jamie and when she got back, she couldn’t love frank again. I think Frank wanted to stay with Claire for Brianna sake, and I think deep down he still loves Claire and hoped that she would love him again.
Frank was actually a pretty good husband but their relationship was very toxic. He’s so sweet and kind (before wanting to take Brianna) but Claire just wasn’t for him. Claire and Jamie had a deep connection that Frank can never have with Claire, and deep down Frank knew that.
Kinda how I feel about that whole situation. Candy's life love was Frank, whose life love was Claire, whose life love was Jamie. The only requited feelings here are Jamie and Claire, and the only pairing that circumstances couldn't allow. So you get this unfulfilled situation all around where no one's moral compass completely aligns with their feelings. I think the whole point was no one during this timeline (early S3) was really living the life they wanted to, and how much of a tragedy that can be. It was a good scene.
Imagine your wife disappears for years and then returns to tell you she travelled back in time and cheated on you with a Scottish guy that doesn’t wipe his ass because of no toilet paper and then believe her and raise some 18th century dudes daughter. Then to top it off the director uses the same actor to portray his evil ancestor that committed horrible acts to make the audience associate and hate Frank. I feel more bad for Frank than any character in this show.
See, at that moment my petty ass would told her that Frank had every opportunity to leave and didn't. I'd have even thrown in the part that I was the one who first offered him a divorce when she showed up at the house and he said 'no'. She wanna hurt me imma be petty. She was lucky it was Claire's character and not mine.
Frank was selfish. Claire was selfish. But Claire was pretty upfront about her selfishness. She wanted Jamie and she was pretty clear that she wasn't going to act like it didn't happen and love Frank properly again. Frank though was secretly selfish. He chose to raise Bree in a loveless, sexless marriage and not commit to Sandy. He had plenty of opportunities to give up the facade - the most important one being that he knew Jamie was alive and Claire returned to him. When he brings up taking Brianna to England without Claire, he makes zero mention of Jamie being alive. It might have healed some pain between them tbh. Both could finally be with the people they loved. But he was selfish because that would mean he would lose Brianna once she found out he wasn't her real father. So Frank is not innocent by any means. Sandy shouldn't have gotten involved with all of that. Bree didn't even know Frank and Sandy were together - can you imagine the fallout?
No one told you to be with a married man god honestly she makes it seem like it’s all Claire’s fault she is his wife all what mistresses are are side chicks if he truly chose and loved the mistress he would’ve settled with a divorce with his spouse but as she said there was always a piece of him that loved her
You know you’re an amazing writer when you have people passionate about the characters. However, the heartache and conflicts were all part of DG’s plan. Each episode is a piece of a puzzle, all leading to Claire and Jamie finally reuniting. I just can’t wait for book 9 to arrive!
I can’t believe that people are actually blaming Claire for Frank’s decisions. And even blaming her for not be able to love him like she used to. Feelings are not like buttons besides frank is the selfish one and he is the one that wanted to have everything the marriage and the mistress this speech would suit frank more than Claire. Frank did not even embrace her and her experience how to love someone who expect you to act all the times. He was selfish not like Jamie who got her to the stones to go back to frank and Frank found that Jamie is alive and did not even give her the choice to go back and live a normal life with whoever he wants
This is so true. Claire was prepared to raise Brianna on her own. It was Frank's choice to raise Brianna, to be married to a women he knew didn't love him, and he never left. He had every chance to. Yes it was harder in the 50s and 60s to get a divorce, with public shame but it was possible and he didn't choose that path. While Claire isn't completely without blame, he made his own choices. Sandy will have to come to terms with that.
How did you get Claire being the victim out of this story lol. She betrayed him . Love isn't all just about feelings it's just as much about choice. Did Frank do bad things to? Yep not denying that turns out destroying someone's heart changes them. "How dare people blame Clair" lol
The way that Sandy speaks about Frank- that's the kind of love he deserved, the kind of love Claire had for Jamie. It's nice that they put that in for him. Claire never had those feelings for him, but there was someone out there who did.
Frank was a good man to stick it out with Claire. Yes Jamie is her love but the way she treated Frank was wrong. You were married to him first and I can't imagine the hell he went through thinking she was dead only to come back pregnant by another man. He knew Claire wasn't suffering for long when she left. Lol. Frank was within his right to receive love from another woman while married. Didn't stop Claire. Just speaking truth.
jevonk I completely agree, that would have been hell for Frank and if you put yourself in his shoes it's a devastating scenario. Your wife disappears and could potentially be dead then she comes back two years later, pregnant, and claiming to be in love with someone else. If it were me I know I'd have a break down and be full of anger at them.
Well, if Claire was unfair to Frank, Frank was unfair to Candy. He had her for years as a lover, the other,. At one point, he should have accepted the reality about his marriage and seek his own happiness, but he didn't. He decided to stay in that marriage, even knowing that Claire didn't love him and that she wanted a divorce. Even knowing that there was a woman who loved him sincerely.
It kinda reflects karma and reincarnation in some way. In the past he has been torturing people, a raper, a cold hearted monster and always get anything he wants. Now the karma is on him. Now he is capable of love but will never get it in returns. Suffering from emotional pain by unable to love others except Claire. Flank has a reflection of Randall especially when he's beating the thieve almost to death. If you see it as a chain of karma, he kinda deserve it.
jevonk what the I’m sick of people saying Claire is a bitch and frank is a good guy no he isn’t he’s very possessive and selfish and treats Claire like a possession a commodity very antiquated thinking whereas Jamie is very modern thinking for his time he treats her like an equal in every way sorry but I’ve never warmed to frank find him arrogant and selfish beyond belief
That mistress is crazy for blaming everything on Claire. It's not Claire's fault. A woman wouldn't make it as a single mother in 1950s UK! No social security for single mothers back then. She had no surviving relatives to take care of her and the baby. If she was unmarried, she would have been forced to give up Brianna for adoption in hospital. Also, Frank always refuse to divorce her
What if the mistress was just mad because frank told her what Claire did to him? Lied cheated and had a baby with someone else after she was taken from him in the beginning...then never told him... what if he told the mistress all of that
Claire and Frank never had a real marriage, after Jamie. Frank loved Claire, but the Mistress loved him. I like Frank and Im happy he raised Brianna, but the mistress was right. He wouldve been more happy with her.
That stupid mistress is fooled by the man. lol. It's the man who never let the wife go. She wanted a divorce so many times but he never left because "brianna" even tho she said she would split custody and would never stop him from seeing Brianna. but the minute she turns 18 he wants to steal her away from her mother??
I think what she means by saying to Claire that she was shellfish by living in a lie is that Claire knew Frank still loved her even though she didn't feel the same way. I guess she felt that Claire should have been the one to make it clear to Frank that they were never going to be a couple the way Frank wanted them to be. So, she thinks Claire should have "cut the rope" and just divorced him so he wouldn't be hopeful to eventually be a family. Though, I personally don't know if he would have wanted that anyway because of Brianna.
I really liked frank in the first season. He seemed to be such a sweet husband to Claire. I also felt bad how he was related to such a monster. Besides that now it sucks that he had a mistress and ended up hurting her smh
Nothing infuriates me more than this scene because Claire didn’t deserve any of it. She lived 20 years in a loveless marriage for Brianna, with a man who she used to love more than anything but can’t anymore because her soulmate was in a different time. She never commented on Frank’s mistress, and never hid the fact that she did want the divorce and she was more than willing to share custody. And then this woman reads her to filth cause she’s grieving and is mad at the wrong person. I’ll always be pissed that Claire didn’t retaliate. She didn’t deserve ANY of what was said to her.
You people do not get, that Claire shared her experience and that Breonna was possible not Frank to Frank, yet he still remained a father but strayed as Husband as payback. This confrontation was warranted because I am sure Frank shared the history of Claire infidelity as well as her story of being "away". What man would ever believe this and still stick around. FRANK WAS A MAN OF LOYALTY BEYOND COMPARE
I hate how the character's were written actually. Claire committed adultery with Jamie. Then when Jamie was married when she was gone, she was furious. I'm like whut?! You did that to Frank. And the outcome was it was ok! I'm still accepted! There's not much character actually to the story. I would love the time travelling aspect and old English and Scottish era. But the series is so badly written and one sided. I don't like how Claire can be so dumb in the first seasons putting herself into trouble. And how this series is centered to love making scenes and painting the fantasy of "I'm making mistakes, but everyone will still love me and will never let me go". But that's all to it really. It's like a fairy tale with added spice of love making.
@@nesminra8982 I also didn't like how she never asked any questions about his son Willie's (late) mother like as if she's the only woman who mattered that bore his child. She wanted to know how he had been with other women, intimately, yet as long as he didn't love them as he did her then it was all okay by her. ✋🏼😐😵
When the wind comes up, the time portal is open to whoever touches the stone. Of course this is fiction, but if it were to be true. the law of physics would apply. The door does not know who enters. I believe she does bring him back in a later episode.
i rarely feel bad for or have sympathy for people who willingly get involved with married individuals but DAMN did frank’s mistress bring a tear to my eye in this scene….
How could you defend Claire?! While Claire made love with Jamie for 3 years. Frank waited for her! He didn't have any other woman. And when Claire came back, Frank accepted the child of another man. Frank was a good husband. He was steady and always wanted the best for his wife and Brie. His selflessness towards Claire made him depressed. Poor Frank
I don't know why but in the lover's funeral some people take the chance (??) To make an scene with the wife. In a coworker's funeral, suddenly i heard screams and it was the mistress (she was well-known in the office..), she ran to the coffin and then started to cry like a haunted ghost. Later, she tried to pick a fight with the wife but some people stopped her and carried her out the service.
Usually the mistress confronting the wife scenes are laughable. And she’s the bad guy. But they did a beautiful job here showing that Frank was the Jamie to somebody. In the same way Jamie was Claire’s true love even if she still had love for Frank. Frank was an alpha in his own right, they do A fine job in making actual people and not just characters. You actually feel for Frank’s mistress
@@mokachyna22 well he wouldn't leave Claire to be a single mom, he was a good guy, and that's weak thing to do even if the kid isn't his. He could have easily been like lol bye and left her and her kid, but he isnt that kind of guy. I feel bad for him, he gets cucked by a guy who wasnt even alive at the time. And she doesnt act very grateful to him idk. The best thing would have been to leave her when she first came back. But then she would have been a single mom and he couldnt leave her like that. Poor frank idk
@@mokachyna22 but also when he goes to leave Claire she freaks out. You dont love him girl what are you doing? Let him be happy for once, he spent 18 yrs taking care of your kid while you were off learning to be a doctor smh let him live his life now.
The women commenting here miss three essential things. 1. Frank adored Claire. He spent 6 years searching for her. 2. Claire treated Frank like dirt, let him raise her daughter as his own and as a doting father but still kept him at arms length. 3. Claire truly was selfish. She could have divorced him but didn't. She knew he loved her but kept him around for support and comfort.
She was a DOCTOR sweetheart, and a surgeon. She did not need his support or comfort. She simply honored her agreement with him. You sound really wounded.
I frankly think this is a load of BS! None of this would have happened if Claire would have stayed her ass with Jaimie during the Battle of Culloden. She could have easily went over to stay in the safety of Janet and Ian’s home until the aftermath of the uprising blew over. Even if Jaime tried to force her through the stones she could have broken away from him and ran off. Sorry I just completely disagree with Diana’s plot choices on this storyline. This would not have been mine!
She was delusional ..the mistress. If he wanted her he would have divorced the wife. She was mad cause she wasted her life on a man that didnt really wan her. #TRUTH
This is what happens. You want to tell someone how you feel, and privately say to yourself, 'If ever I meet that .... I'll damn well tell 'em....', etc., and usually it never happens at all, but if it does, it's a perfectly rehearsed speech.
She should've let the cow have it. She didn't force Frank to do anything, she gave him multiple opportunities to leave, he refused and clearly lied to his mistress about it to make Claire the bad guy. And let's not forget his demand to keep Brianna and Claire from Jamie and his attempt to take Bree from Claire. At least in the books she kinda defends herself against one of them.
Personal opinion but I genuinely felt sorry for all of them, mostly Frank. So, the love of your life disappears for a year was it? And suddenly comes back PREGNANT. Now what really happened is totally fictional, but for the sake of the series, Claire really did travel back in time and came back with Jamie’s child. Imagine if that happened to your SO, it’d be pretty hard to believe he or she traveled back and fell in love with someone from that time period and came back with a child from said person. Frank’s mindset was trying to piece the puzzle. But in all the confusion, Frank loved Claire, and for him, it was absolute heartbreaking, like she was stolen from him, granted love sometimes happens far from our control, she was still ‘his’ in a matter of speaking. So now, Claire is completely devoted towards Jamie and simply doesn’t love Frank anymore, while he’s still facing the fact that she’s over him without there ever being a time for him to adjust to this sentiment from her. He wasn’t ready to leave her (and as mentioned from Candy) I don’t think he was ever ready to leave because he deeply loved Claire. Then came Brienne and he grew attached! He was her step father but gave her all the love and attention Jamie would’ve and that was beautiful! Yet rather then move along and forget Jamie, Claire held on just as frank did her, and that was their problem. Instead of starting out their family, she was never able to forget Jamie. Claire and Jamie were meant to be, Frank was her first love but sadly not her true love, but Claire was still his, and once upon a time he was also hers as well, before she went back in time. He found Candy and began an affair with her because he couldn’t handle the way his marriage was going, but one thing is to have a fling with someone and another to truly love someone, and we all know who was who for him. Shit like this happens and it’s sad, a heartbreak after another, a never ending cycle. Jaime and Claire, Claire to Frank, and ultimately Frank to Candy. At first I felt angry towards Claire fro treating Frank so badly when he was doing his best to make the marriage work. But in the end I realized that love also matters, and her love for Jamie was also pure and beautiful. Still I felt so sad for Frank being left behind, and even more so when he died and unable to find happiness during the chaos that was his life. A true tragedy. But no one is to blame, thats just life. Sometimes it’s unfair and cruel
I feel so bad for Frank. His wife goes missing for 3 years, comes back pregnant by another man. He tries to make it work, provides for her and the baby even though it wasnt his obligation. He buys her a house, basically raises their daughter because she was always at school/work. He loves her for years and tries to make it work, but once she says it's okay for him to date other women she gets jealous. He has to deal with her abusive tendenceies (throwing things, outbursts, etc) and when he is finally going to move on he dies married to a woman who didnt love him. Sad.
100% wrong. She shouldn't be chasing taken men. Regardless if she could have made him happier, claire told frank to leave and he chose to stay. His choice , not hers.
How is she right, though. Frank is a fully grown man who chose to stay in a loveless marriage for Brianna's sake. They both made this choice as adults. And while there's a lot that can be said for the way Claire treated Frank when she returned, the fact the blame for how unhappy Frank was gets put solely on Claire is wrong.
LJO 1977 exactly ! he made his choice and knew what he was getting into the fact he chose to stay is on him the blame shouldn’t be on Claire , she didn’t make him stay she asked him to leave her the fact is the choice and decision was his not hers
Wtf, if you're going to break the bonds of someone else's marriage at least have the integrity not to talk down to his wife and chastise her like you're somehow on higher moral ground. Mistresses should know their place.
Everyone in the comment is caping for Claire because Frank chose to stay because he wanted to be a father but like Sandy’s not wrong either? Claire used Frank and stayed because of her promise to Jamie. She waved it constantly in Frank’s face that Bree wasn’t his daughter. She threatened to use his adultry against him if they divorced. If she truly wanted to leave, she would have divorced him herself. She wanted him to be the bad guy so she would feel deserves in her righteousness. None of these characters were perfect but Claire doesn’t get called out on her shit enough.
Personally, i think one of the biggest mistakes the writers made, was, to humanize the character of Frank, as well as give him more space in the series, i think that this change, did not help Claire's character, HER story, her story with Jamie, the relationship between Jamie and Brianna, and the character of the latter !!! ; I understand the reason for this choice, but i really think it was a HUGE mistake !!! ; I would have preferred an anti-hero kind of character !! .
I stumbled upon and started watching this series on TH-cam today so I'm royally confused! The time period is all wrong here! Does the series intertwine 2 (or perhaps more) time periods with the same characters (ex.: claire v. claire?) but with different set of actors/actresses or something in different time period?
rain74925 *SPOILERS* the first season is about Claire traveling to the 1700’s leaving her husband frank behind in 1948. She marries another man Jaime to save her life. By Season 2 she does return to 1950 but pregnant with Jaime’s child, which while Claire is getting use to returning to her first husband Frank, the season does go back to the events in the 1700’s leading up to Claire’s return to home. Season 3 takes place decades after Claire returned back to her time, while also showing Jaime’s life after Claire leaves. They used the same actors for everything.
She's wrong and misdirecting her anger and pain. Don't get involved with a married man. Even if it "works out", it never really works out. If they cheat with you, they will cheat on you.
Claire really screwed over Frank. Claire fell out of love with him through the choices she made. Frank did what was right and suffered for it. It's always been the sad part of the story. As beautiful as her love with Jamie is the other side of the coin the betrayal and hurt she caused Frank is there.
I understand the thought process and my heart also hurts for this version of Frank (because book version was a dick). But I'm still confused as to how people manage to put so much blame on Claire. The girl tried many times and I mean MANY to find her way back to the stones and go home. If you watch the show, circumstance after circumstance stopped her; it was never her choice to not go back UNTIL she finally fell in love with Jamie. She even got harassed by Black Jack Randall twice in attempts to go home (once when she first comes and the second time when she runs away from Jamie and the group of men). She tried to go back EVEN WHEN she was falling in love with Jamie. The girl tried her best and fought her hardest to leave and while I understand the situation is complex and Frank really did go through a lot, it's hard for me to give equal blame to Claire. In this whole situation, she made mistakes, but I don't she heartlessly cheated on Frank; her situation culminated into her finally deciding to stay, but that girl fought every step of the way to go back, so it's hard for me to agree with the statement that she fell out of love with him "through the choices she made."
I hate that Claire is viewed to be the bad guy when it was Frank who forced Claire to let go of Jamie and be here to be his wife again instead of what she wanted.
yes frank had many opportunities to leave claire but he never stayed for her. he knew she could never love him. he stayed for brianna. he was sterile and could never have children so raising a child instead of leaving a single mother on her own WAS his decision. he loved brianna as his own till the end. its too bad claire can't stand that everything is not about her.
Cocogurlluv maybe because claire didn't care. the mistress didn't even know frank as long as claire did and yet she way more moved about frank's death than claire. claire didn't have to love frank thats fine but she shouldn't lie to herself and everyone pretending like she did
waves That makes no sense. So, because she didn't take a moment that was supposed to be about honoring Frank's life and make it all about her she didn't care as much? Also, she's just living the lie that BOTH she and Frank agreed to. What was she supposed to do? Stand up on a table and announce to his friends and colleagues that she didn't love the man? No. She tried to keep the day about Frank. The mistress made it about herself.
Cocogurlluv Cocogurlluv yeah claire didn't care about him. and the mistress simply had a private conversation with claire. at funerals people make a speech about how much that person meant to them. its not like she called claire out in front of everyone and made a scene. THAT is making it about yourself.
@@vicewaves369She's the MISTRESS. She has no business having any kind of conversation with Claire, especially when she clearly doesn't know the whole story. Like the fact Claire gave Frank an out and he didn't take it. I take a lot issues with the way Claire treated Frank when she got back. I thought she was really unfair to him, but this is one confrontation she didn't deserve. She's being blamed for Frank's decision now.
Frank kept her by his side through lies ! He wouldn’t leave her ... he couldn’t let her to be with the love of her life , the result? He remained a miserable man throughout his marriage to a woman who couldn’t love him back
Thank you, the comments defending Claire are repulsive. Claire said herself that she stopped loving Frank once she returned, but yet remained with him for years. How disgusting. How about let him go to love and live and not be selfish.
@@thealphaandomega9348 I didn’t defend Frank I’m one hundred percent on Claire’s side ! Frank was a jealous unkind and a selfish man because he couldn’t have children he was more than happy to raise ( steals) another mans child but because he couldn’t let Claire go he kept her by his side through jealousy and lies ! He himself admits it in his letter to his friend that he has kept Claire through lies and manipulation.
Her look is vubing off a dark haired Barbra Streisand. I'm halfway through season 2 as I write this comment btw. This scene is not making too much sense to me so I need to do a lot of catching up
idk why people hate on this woman so much when she and claire really aren't that different...? was she a mistress? sure she was. but then again in a way so was claire. she was married to frank and she still married jamie in the past and had his children. not only that, but she lived for the next 20 years loving another man while being with frank. i'm not condemning claire's behaviour, i'm just saying it would be kind of hypocritical to condemn frank or frank's mistress if you're going to sanctify claire. i think that's the point of this scene: love is messy, and there's never going to be somebody that keeps their hands completely clean when you're that in love. claire married another man and had his child because she was so in love with him. frank didn't separate from claire even though it probably would've saved him and claire from much agony because he was so in love with her. this woman became frank's mistress because she was so in love with him. everybody's a bit shady tbh.
Her being a mistress is not the problem. Her having the nerve to blame Claire for her and Frank not being there and to do it while Brianna was there is the problem for me. And while I agree that nobody's hands are completely clean in here, it's hard to compare Claire and Sandy's situations as Sandy didn't not go the extreme situation that Claire went through.
Cocogurlluv thing is that Brianna actually knew about sandy and knew that her parents marriage was only one of obligation and duty I’m quoting from DOA in saying that . I happen to think this is why Diana married laoghaire and Jamie to show that both Claire and Jamie had relationships of obligation that their hearts weren’t truly in because of their broken hearts
So u want to compare someone who was transported back in time, had to marry another man to save their lives and somehow fell in love in the middle of a war while being chased and sexually assaulted by a man that looks just like her husband with someone who started making googly eyes with her married teacher one day
@@mychannel-rt2gn 😂😂 I was thinking the same thing. Sandy and Claire are no where on the same level. It seems like a lot of people forget C&J were forced to marry to save her life. I don't think C explaining to them "well I have a husband in the future, I can't marry anyone" was going to get here anywhere other than to a burning stake
And another thing: if it wasn't for Captain Randall, they wouldn't have found each other. You have to feel some sympathy - rotten army pay, lousy rations, while all those upper ranks are gorging themselves as he does all the dirty work! Everyone's against him - and he's angry! Anyone would be.
@@StephenSeabird it's interesting how in the later seasons when he's killed off they bring in that grey dude, who is basically randall but w/o the s&m or any kind of personality beyond "wants jamie's dink"
@@DapaChrons - Doesn't matter in this case..The wife wasn't pointing fingers nor making accusations. The pot calling the kettle black! Plus, Claire situation was understandable and acceptable. She was stuck in another time and did what she had to do to survive. She was alone and Jamie was there to help her through it. They fell in-love. It's not like she did it behind Frank's back on purpose.
I think is funny when mistresses get hurt and mad at the wives.....NO ONE forced you to be with a married man.
The heart wants what it wants. Even if the anger doesn't seem justified, the feelings are still valid
@@stitches318 well said 👌
@@stitches318 well the sentiment should be directed to the man , he is the one who doesn't respect neither the wife and the mistress
Yep, and he obviously didn't love her enough to let his wife go. So I would say that anger is misdirected.
Frank did't divorce for revenge. So Black Randall was still there
Ten years ago, Claire wanted the divorce. Frank said no. Nothing more to say.
And the night before the car crash they both wanted the divorce.
this divorce? th-cam.com/video/9-imLF9xUhM/w-d-xo.html
Ann 394 poldark
She talking out of her ass!!
@@exfromtheleft and in that video he said no lol she gave him plenty of chances to leave
In the book she tells one of his mistresses if I could give him up I would. He won't leave. They should have put than in the show. Put the other women in her place. I don't feel sorry for her at all, she wasted her life on a married man.
Larissa Jones sadly most women do
I’m sorry but did you say “one” of his mistresses?
@@RebelleGameOfficial yeah apparently he had multiple in the books
@@yoyismeza9793 yup.
Well do you think staying by force for her actually wants that also.. she just doesn't want to take the blame for it.. that's why she asks him to be the one who left her ! She knows she's in a better place to do that unlike him.
I never truly feel bad for a mistress because in the end husbands rarely leave their wives. Claire gave him so many opportunities to leave, yet he continued to stay. He could've still been part of Brianna's life.
Are you talking about the same woman who can travel in time? Claire could have left forever, taking Bree with her
@@ayhalagala7467 are you forgetting that she thought Jamie was dead and had no reason to believe otherwise? Why risk your child's life to return to a time you don't belong in not knowing if your husband is alive or available.
@@hlagtrvenncvrenst5121 Because she couldn have found out that Jaime was alive, or even she could have decided that she would be better in that epoch with Jaime´s family. Frank always knew that sooner or later Bree will be back in that epoch, thats why he taught her how to shoot, ride and survive in the woods
th-cam.com/video/9-imLF9xUhM/w-d-xo.html yes Claire was enthusiastic about frank divorcing her to marry sandy
but we find out later that he knew she was going back to Jamie so it all made sense when we got to the episode in season 4 with the flashbacks with Brianna
Pathetic, rather than rude. Blaiming everything on Claire, like Frank wasn´t responsible for his own life and choices.
I think her character is meant to reinforce the fact that Frank was a desirable guy and his love for Claire kept him from committing to others fully. It is meant to shadow the undying love that Claire has for Jaime. Frank could never get over Claire like Claire couldn't get over Jaime.
That's usually how the other women are. lol
Frank is a ass
Linda Karlsson well I think in a sence it gave Clare the push she needed to go back to jamie,to take that risk.have you read most of the books.itll be my first reading the fourth in the series😀
Claire could have left him from the begining. But she chose to stay.
The irony is frank stayed with her to raise a child because he was sterile. Yet if she wasn't pregnant he might not have. Both were selfish in different ways
THANK YOU
How was claire selfish?
Framlii ikr selfish to want a father figure for her child when her real father can’t be there to raise her hardly selfish .
@@michelleflood8220 claire could find new love. She could also find jamie since there would be no frank to put a fake grave for jamie. Also you dont need a father for a father figure. Family friend is enough
She was not selfish.. And "closed that door" Frank never told he was sterile. And just wanted vendetta ..as Black Jack
I never feel bad for the mistress. She knew he was married, she was never going to be his first priority.
That’s why you don’t sleep with a married man.
Claire and Frank never had a real marriage, after Jamie.
Frank loved Claire, but the Mistress loved him.
I like Frank and Im happy he raised Brianna, but the mistress was right.
He wouldve been more happy with her.
Belsnickel LOl your profile pic though!!!
If only life were so easy, am I right? And marriages and relationships were perfect, and people only loved their spouses, and nobody cheated or got divorced and if only life was perfect.
@@anja6983 But that's not Claire's fault. She gave him so many outs and told him she wouldn't keep Brianna from him and he still stayed. Seems like the mistress should be angry with him, not Claire
Claire was quite a lady in this scene..She not only was calm & collected, but allowed the other woman to say what she needed to say, and afterwards she had a better understanding when she realize that Sandy loved Frank as much as she loved Jamie. She saw the pain in her eyes and knew it was the same as hers when she had to let Jamie go.
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*Sandy
@@tremotchabea7351 - Thanks for the correction.
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That mistress is crazy for blaming everything on Claire. It's not Claire's fault. A woman wouldn't make it as a single mother in 1950s UK! No social security for single mothers back then. She had no surviving relatives to take care of her and the baby. If she was unmarried, she would have been forced to give up Brianna for adoption in hospital. Also, Frank always refuse to divorce her
Her moment with Claire is a meant to be a powerful reminder of what one would give to have just one more day with the love of their life. It's meant to reinforce Claire to go back through the stones.
I think her character is meant to show that Frank was a desirable guy and his love for Claire kept him from committing to others fully. It is meant to shadow the undying love that Claire has for Jaime. Frank could never get over Claire like Claire could never get over Jaime.
This actress had one moment to make her mark and she nails it and brings the pained tears on. Great performance and a lot of spotlight on whoever this actress is.
Well said. A lot of people are calling Sandy a bitch but you have to look at it from her perspective, she had to share the love of her life with someone else, who doesn’t even want Frank. And yes while Claire gave Frank a choice, upon learning of his affair and discovering he did in fact have feelings for Sandy, she never made a move to get a divorce so he could pursue Sandy in public so he could learn to move on and have another chance at happiness.
I understand Sandy’s feelings all too well sadly, because I too know what it is like to have to share the love of my life with someone else, to not be able to express my relationship in public because the other is in an empty marriage.. and it hurts.
Well said both of you. Relationships can be so complex
Sing her praises all you want Lauro Andrea but the fact of the matter is she made a conscious choice to get involved with a married man. As far as I am concerned any words that come out of her mouth don't hold water.
Sasha I honestly don't give a fat rat about her perspective. She messed around with a married man knowing full well it was morally wrong. It disgusts me how you and others commenting are trying to justify and make excuses for her immoral behavior. I guess as a society we really have fallen off the wagon.
Livingston Hampton so by your very strong opinion on the matter, I don't presume you defend Jamie's and Claire's relationship, right? At the end of the day Claire was a happily married woman to frank before she went through the stones.
Claire should have told that side betoch off "Look Candy, if thats your real name? Frank had plenty of opportunities to leave this marriage, he chose not to, dont blame me for your low self esteem issues that u chose to carry on with a married man."😉
Yes. And also: "I offered Frank a divorce so he could be free to be with you. He chose not to, so he obviously didn't think you could have made him happy...sorry about that"
woopingcough I
She's a woman in mourning, she's angry because she couldn't have the life with Frank that she wanted and now she never can because he's died.
@@bethc8809 she wouldn't. The other woman had more dog in the fight. Claire heart is with Jamie.
SB W that’s not Claire’s problem
This is one of the divergence from the books that really kills me in the book Claire's interactions with the mistress leaves her in a position of strength. When the mistress brings up "why can't you just let him go! " Claire's quickest clapback " do you think your the first?? Your not he won't go anywhere with out Brianna. "
*you're, *without - is it that difficult??
@@ellychan7793 it is that difficult to not be a c*nt?
@@ellychan7793 English is hard for language learners and for many people. Language can be hard as can memorizing all the rules. I’m a high school English teacher and I’ll tell you that tacky mean girls fare far worse in life than people who make grammatical errors, so enjoy that.
I can't believe that girl had the nerve to say that to Claire, that was beyond rude. Probably wasn't brave enough to go to the house and say that knowing Claire would give just as good back without being in public.
She was right. She didnt love him anymore but she didnt leave him. I understand, being a single mother in that epoch was a shit but Frank always had hope that she would move on a everything will be normal again.
AyhalaGala which is delusional and unrealistic given how much Brianna resembles Jamie
@@michelleflood8220 so? She was the daughter of another man and he knew from the begining. She was a constant reminder of what happened and he loved her as her father. Not many people could have done that, i dont think i could. He had hope, and he did what he thought would be best for Claire and Bree. Claire also thought she could leave the past behind
AyhalaGala yes I agree but Claire tried to get him to leave when she told him she was pregnant with Jamie’s child he could’ve left so he made his choice she didn’t force him to be with her he could’ve walked away at any point in Brianna’s childhood and still have her in his life his choice
@@michelleflood8220 she didnt try to make him leave, she gave him the choice. But he knew what kind of it would meant to her. To the people she was either an insane woman who has been kidnapped for years or just an adulteress who abandoned her husband for years, and she came back pregnant. What kind of life could she or Brianna would have had if Frank had left? He brought them to America so they could start over again, and that probably saved Claire and gave Bree a real childhood. He made that choice because he wanted Claire back but also because it was the right thing to do
Don't feel sorry for the mistress. Doesn't matter whether Claire and Frank should have divorced or not. It was her choice to get involved with a married man. Boo hoo! 🙄
Her: I could have made him happy
Me: then why didn’t you???
Truth is both Clair and Frank were unhappy. Frank may have been his mistresses “love of her life” but Clair was his. His mistress could have never made him 100% happy because she’s not Clair. That’s the women he wanted but he couldn’t have. He would have always loved Clair. His mistress isn’t upset because Clair didn’t let him go. She’s upset because HE couldn’t let go and she knows that. The irony is they all chose this! Clair chose to be with a man that didn’t make her happy, frank chose to be Clair even though he knew she wasn’t in love with him and the mistress chose to be with a man that loved another women more than her. I would have told here join the fu*kin club we all unhappy.
Claire should have slapped her into next week.
CLAIRE FELT GUILTY THAT IS WHY SHE DID NOT DO IT BECAUSE SHE KNEW THAT WOMAN FELT THE SAME WAY SHE FELT ABOUT JAMIE........THAT WAS NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT PLUS SHE WOULD NOT MAKE A SCENE WITH BRIANNA & ROGER THERE
Haha 😂😂💀💀
She was the bigger woman for not slapping her.
Well, if Claire was unfair to Frank, he was unfair to Sandy. He let her spend ten years of his life with a married man. And Sandy loved him truly. At one point, he is not so different from Claire: he lives clinging to a love that is no longer there and it hurts the woman who does love him . Anyway, I hate the marriage of Claire and Frank. She stopped being a force of nature as soon as she returned with him.
I pity frank, I mean, in the beginning, Claire tried everything in her power to get back to frank. They both loved each other dearly. But then, Claire fell in love with Jamie and when she got back, she couldn’t love frank again. I think Frank wanted to stay with Claire for Brianna sake, and I think deep down he still loves Claire and hoped that she would love him again.
Frank was actually a pretty good husband but their relationship was very toxic. He’s so sweet and kind (before wanting to take Brianna) but Claire just wasn’t for him. Claire and Jamie had a deep connection that Frank can never have with Claire, and deep down Frank knew that.
Kinda how I feel about that whole situation. Candy's life love was Frank, whose life love was Claire, whose life love was Jamie. The only requited feelings here are Jamie and Claire, and the only pairing that circumstances couldn't allow. So you get this unfulfilled situation all around where no one's moral compass completely aligns with their feelings.
I think the whole point was no one during this timeline (early S3) was really living the life they wanted to, and how much of a tragedy that can be. It was a good scene.
Imagine your wife disappears for years and then returns to tell you she travelled back in time and cheated on you with a Scottish guy that doesn’t wipe his ass because of no toilet paper and then believe her and raise some 18th century dudes daughter. Then to top it off the director uses the same actor to portray his evil ancestor that committed horrible acts to make the audience associate and hate Frank. I feel more bad for Frank than any character in this show.
that sandy travis actress is really good at acting holy shit
A few seconds of a really powerful scene. The tears just come at the right words at the exact moment.
See, at that moment my petty ass would told her that Frank had every opportunity to leave and didn't. I'd have even thrown in the part that I was the one who first offered him a divorce when she showed up at the house and he said 'no'. She wanna hurt me imma be petty. She was lucky it was Claire's character and not mine.
So Sandy is basically the 1960s version of Laoghaire: blaming it all on Claire like she wasn't the rightful wife in both centuries
Frank was selfish. Claire was selfish. But Claire was pretty upfront about her selfishness. She wanted Jamie and she was pretty clear that she wasn't going to act like it didn't happen and love Frank properly again. Frank though was secretly selfish. He chose to raise Bree in a loveless, sexless marriage and not commit to Sandy. He had plenty of opportunities to give up the facade - the most important one being that he knew Jamie was alive and Claire returned to him. When he brings up taking Brianna to England without Claire, he makes zero mention of Jamie being alive. It might have healed some pain between them tbh. Both could finally be with the people they loved. But he was selfish because that would mean he would lose Brianna once she found out he wasn't her real father. So Frank is not innocent by any means. Sandy shouldn't have gotten involved with all of that. Bree didn't even know Frank and Sandy were together - can you imagine the fallout?
No one told you to be with a married man god honestly she makes it seem like it’s all Claire’s fault she is his wife all what mistresses are are side chicks if he truly chose and loved the mistress he would’ve settled with a divorce with his spouse but as she said there was always a piece of him that loved her
You know you’re an amazing writer when you have people passionate about the characters. However, the heartache and conflicts were all part of DG’s plan. Each episode is a piece of a puzzle, all leading to Claire and Jamie finally reuniting. I just can’t wait for book 9 to arrive!
I can’t believe that people are actually blaming Claire for Frank’s decisions. And even blaming her for not be able to love him like she used to. Feelings are not like buttons besides frank is the selfish one and he is the one that wanted to have everything the marriage and the mistress this speech would suit frank more than Claire. Frank did not even embrace her and her experience how to love someone who expect you to act all the times. He was selfish not like Jamie who got her to the stones to go back to frank and Frank found that Jamie is alive and did not even give her the choice to go back and live a normal life with whoever he wants
Nashwa Rashad I agree.
PREACH!!! Agree 💯!!
Jamie is true love. Frank is just a selfish bastard like Randall.
This is so true. Claire was prepared to raise Brianna on her own. It was Frank's choice to raise Brianna, to be married to a women he knew didn't love him, and he never left. He had every chance to. Yes it was harder in the 50s and 60s to get a divorce, with public shame but it was possible and he didn't choose that path. While Claire isn't completely without blame, he made his own choices. Sandy will have to come to terms with that.
How did you get Claire being the victim out of this story lol. She betrayed him . Love isn't all just about feelings it's just as much about choice. Did Frank do bad things to? Yep not denying that turns out destroying someone's heart changes them. "How dare people blame Clair" lol
The way that Sandy speaks about Frank- that's the kind of love he deserved, the kind of love Claire had for Jamie. It's nice that they put that in for him. Claire never had those feelings for him, but there was someone out there who did.
ikr!
Frank was a good man to stick it out with Claire. Yes Jamie is her love but the way she treated Frank was wrong. You were married to him first and I can't imagine the hell he went through thinking she was dead only to come back pregnant by another man. He knew Claire wasn't suffering for long when she left. Lol. Frank was within his right to receive love from another woman while married. Didn't stop Claire. Just speaking truth.
jevonk I completely agree, that would have been hell for Frank and if you put yourself in his shoes it's a devastating scenario. Your wife disappears and could potentially be dead then she comes back two years later, pregnant, and claiming to be in love with someone else. If it were me I know I'd have a break down and be full of anger at them.
Well, if Claire was unfair to Frank, Frank was unfair to Candy. He had her for years as a lover, the other,. At one point, he should have accepted the reality about his marriage and seek his own happiness, but he didn't. He decided to stay in that marriage, even knowing that Claire didn't love him and that she wanted a divorce. Even knowing that there was a woman who loved him sincerely.
It kinda reflects karma and reincarnation in some way. In the past he has been torturing people, a raper, a cold hearted monster and always get anything he wants. Now the karma is on him. Now he is capable of love but will never get it in returns. Suffering from emotional pain by unable to love others except Claire. Flank has a reflection of Randall especially when he's beating the thieve almost to death. If you see it as a chain of karma, he kinda deserve it.
jevonk what the I’m sick of people saying Claire is a bitch and frank is a good guy no he isn’t he’s very possessive and selfish and treats Claire like a possession a commodity very antiquated thinking whereas Jamie is very modern thinking for his time he treats her like an equal in every way sorry but I’ve never warmed to frank find him arrogant and selfish beyond belief
I find that claire has gone through much much more than Frank when she was goen
That mistress is crazy for blaming everything on Claire. It's not Claire's fault. A woman wouldn't make it as a single mother in 1950s UK! No social security for single mothers back then. She had no surviving relatives to take care of her and the baby. If she was unmarried, she would have been forced to give up Brianna for adoption in hospital. Also, Frank always refuse to divorce her
Claire here reminds of Jackie O
What if the mistress was just mad because frank told her what Claire did to him? Lied cheated and had a baby with someone else after she was taken from him in the beginning...then never told him... what if he told the mistress all of that
Frank could have left when he found out about Brianna. It isn’t Claire’s fault. He could have left . That women had no right to tell her that.
Claire and Frank never had a real marriage, after Jamie.
Frank loved Claire, but the Mistress loved him.
I like Frank and Im happy he raised Brianna, but the mistress was right.
He wouldve been more happy with her.
If he really loved Sandy he would have been with her.
Boohoo you fell in love with a married man. Your fault not hers
Right
claire cheated on her husband. fuck you.
@@saeedvazirian agree
@@saeedvazirian he didn't exist when she traveled back in time🤣
The whole time I saw this scene, I was yelling SLAP HER!!!
That stupid mistress is fooled by the man. lol. It's the man who never let the wife go. She wanted a divorce so many times but he never left because "brianna" even tho she said she would split custody and would never stop him from seeing Brianna. but the minute she turns 18 he wants to steal her away from her mother??
Kind of a double slap in the face considering “ the other woman “ was the first winner of Frank’S prize !
But she got it on her back and on her knees;)
I think what she means by saying to Claire that she was shellfish by living in a lie is that Claire knew Frank still loved her even though she didn't feel the same way. I guess she felt that Claire should have been the one to make it clear to Frank that they were never going to be a couple the way Frank wanted them to be. So, she thinks Claire should have "cut the rope" and just divorced him so he wouldn't be hopeful to eventually be a family. Though, I personally don't know if he would have wanted that anyway because of Brianna.
Eine wahnsinnige Szene so damit umzugehen 👍und wie toll Claire aussieht eine Wandelbare und tolle Schauspielerin 💓
You can't blame Sandy for everything she said. She clearly never knew the truth behind it all and could only assume otherwise.
How sad to think that anyone who didn't know Claire's full situation would've thought her a typical cold cheating wife.
I really liked frank in the first season. He seemed to be such a sweet husband to Claire. I also felt bad how he was related to such a monster. Besides that now it sucks that he had a mistress and ended up hurting her smh
Nothing infuriates me more than this scene because Claire didn’t deserve any of it. She lived 20 years in a loveless marriage for Brianna, with a man who she used to love more than anything but can’t anymore because her soulmate was in a different time. She never commented on Frank’s mistress, and never hid the fact that she did want the divorce and she was more than willing to share custody. And then this woman reads her to filth cause she’s grieving and is mad at the wrong person. I’ll always be pissed that Claire didn’t retaliate. She didn’t deserve ANY of what was said to her.
Great monologue. I feel like Frank strung her along.
You people do not get, that Claire shared her experience and that Breonna was possible not Frank to Frank, yet he still remained a father but strayed as Husband as payback. This confrontation was warranted because I am sure Frank shared the history of Claire infidelity as well as her story of being "away". What man would ever believe this and still stick around. FRANK WAS A MAN OF LOYALTY BEYOND COMPARE
I hate how the character's were written actually. Claire committed adultery with Jamie. Then when Jamie was married when she was gone, she was furious. I'm like whut?! You did that to Frank. And the outcome was it was ok! I'm still accepted! There's not much character actually to the story. I would love the time travelling aspect and old English and Scottish era. But the series is so badly written and one sided. I don't like how Claire can be so dumb in the first seasons putting herself into trouble. And how this series is centered to love making scenes and painting the fantasy of "I'm making mistakes, but everyone will still love me and will never let me go". But that's all to it really. It's like a fairy tale with added spice of love making.
Thank you ❤️🙏 Claire is egoistic.
@@nesminra8982 I also didn't like how she never asked any questions about his son Willie's (late) mother like as if she's the only woman who mattered that bore his child. She wanted to know how he had been with other women, intimately, yet as long as he didn't love them as he did her then it was all okay by her. ✋🏼😐😵
I ain't got no words!
When the wind comes up, the time portal is open to whoever touches the stone. Of course this is fiction, but if it were to be true. the law of physics would apply. The door does not know who enters. I believe she does bring him back in a later episode.
i rarely feel bad for or have sympathy for people who willingly get involved with married individuals but DAMN did frank’s mistress bring a tear to my eye in this scene….
No future in dating married people no matter how hard you try it has a huge chance of ending bad.
How could you defend Claire?! While Claire made love with Jamie for 3 years. Frank waited for her! He didn't have any other woman. And when Claire came back, Frank accepted the child of another man. Frank was a good husband. He was steady and always wanted the best for his wife and Brie. His selflessness towards Claire made him depressed. Poor Frank
Mistress has the nerve...
I don't know why but in the lover's funeral some people take the chance (??) To make an scene with the wife. In a coworker's funeral, suddenly i heard screams and it was the mistress (she was well-known in the office..), she ran to the coffin and then started to cry like a haunted ghost. Later, she tried to pick a fight with the wife but some people stopped her and carried her out the service.
Usually the mistress confronting the wife scenes are laughable. And she’s the bad guy. But they did a beautiful job here showing that Frank was the Jamie to somebody. In the same way Jamie was Claire’s true love even if she still had love for Frank.
Frank was an alpha in his own right, they do A fine job in making actual people and not just characters. You actually feel for Frank’s mistress
If Frank was Sandy’s Jamie, he would have moved Heaven and earth to be with her. He didn’t.
@@mokachyna22 well he wouldn't leave Claire to be a single mom, he was a good guy, and that's weak thing to do even if the kid isn't his. He could have easily been like lol bye and left her and her kid, but he isnt that kind of guy. I feel bad for him, he gets cucked by a guy who wasnt even alive at the time. And she doesnt act very grateful to him idk. The best thing would have been to leave her when she first came back. But then she would have been a single mom and he couldnt leave her like that. Poor frank idk
@@mokachyna22 but also when he goes to leave Claire she freaks out. You dont love him girl what are you doing? Let him be happy for once, he spent 18 yrs taking care of your kid while you were off learning to be a doctor smh let him live his life now.
@@mokachyna22 to Sandy he was Jamie. But to frank Claire was still Claire. He loved her as Jamie loves her to where he could not abandon her or Briana
@@j8246 yeah I disliked Claire activity here. I love Jamie but she should have given frank the love he deserved. Be there fully or let him go
The women commenting here miss three essential things. 1. Frank adored Claire. He spent 6 years searching for her. 2. Claire treated Frank like dirt, let him raise her daughter as his own and as a doting father but still kept him at arms length. 3. Claire truly was selfish. She could have divorced him but didn't. She knew he loved her but kept him around for support and comfort.
She was a DOCTOR sweetheart, and a surgeon. She did not need his support or comfort. She simply honored her agreement with him. You sound really wounded.
@@LittleBitofHopeToo2518she wasn’t a surgeon when she was pregnant and Brianna was a baby and child. It takes over a decade to qualify as a surgeon.
Claire definitely didn't deserve Frank.😢
Because Claire deserves better.
He was the love of her life and she wanted him.
I frankly think this is a load of BS! None of this would have happened if Claire would have stayed her ass with Jaimie during the Battle of Culloden. She could have easily went over to stay in the safety of Janet and Ian’s home until the aftermath of the uprising blew over. Even if Jaime tried to force her through the stones she could have broken away from him and ran off. Sorry I just completely disagree with Diana’s plot choices on this storyline. This would not have been mine!
I hate Claire's character.. Frank waited 2 years for her how she could forget her lovey dovey husband with blink of an eye..
She was delusional ..the mistress. If he wanted her he would have divorced the wife. She was mad cause she wasted her life on a man that didnt really wan her. #TRUTH
She sounds like she practiced that in the mirror.
This is what happens. You want to tell someone how you feel, and privately say to yourself, 'If ever I meet that .... I'll damn well tell 'em....', etc., and usually it never happens at all, but if it does, it's a perfectly rehearsed speech.
She should've let the cow have it. She didn't force Frank to do anything, she gave him multiple opportunities to leave, he refused and clearly lied to his mistress about it to make Claire the bad guy. And let's not forget his demand to keep Brianna and Claire from Jamie and his attempt to take Bree from Claire. At least in the books she kinda defends herself against one of them.
Don't forget what the Abbott told Claire in France about Frank starting to move on.......hmmmmm
I don't recall...what was it he said?
mistresses need to understand that they where the second option never the first one and will always come last because thats all they will ever be
Ugh I hate the mistress so much
Personal opinion but I genuinely felt sorry for all of them, mostly Frank. So, the love of your life disappears for a year was it? And suddenly comes back PREGNANT. Now what really happened is totally fictional, but for the sake of the series, Claire really did travel back in time and came back with Jamie’s child. Imagine if that happened to your SO, it’d be pretty hard to believe he or she traveled back and fell in love with someone from that time period and came back with a child from said person. Frank’s mindset was trying to piece the puzzle. But in all the confusion, Frank loved Claire, and for him, it was absolute heartbreaking, like she was stolen from him, granted love sometimes happens far from our control, she was still ‘his’ in a matter of speaking. So now, Claire is completely devoted towards Jamie and simply doesn’t love Frank anymore, while he’s still facing the fact that she’s over him without there ever being a time for him to adjust to this sentiment from her. He wasn’t ready to leave her (and as mentioned from Candy) I don’t think he was ever ready to leave because he deeply loved Claire.
Then came Brienne and he grew attached! He was her step father but gave her all the love and attention Jamie would’ve and that was beautiful! Yet rather then move along and forget Jamie, Claire held on just as frank did her, and that was their problem. Instead of starting out their family, she was never able to forget Jamie. Claire and Jamie were meant to be, Frank was her first love but sadly not her true love, but Claire was still his, and once upon a time he was also hers as well, before she went back in time.
He found Candy and began an affair with her because he couldn’t handle the way his marriage was going, but one thing is to have a fling with someone and another to truly love someone, and we all know who was who for him.
Shit like this happens and it’s sad, a heartbreak after another, a never ending cycle. Jaime and Claire, Claire to Frank, and ultimately Frank to Candy.
At first I felt angry towards Claire fro treating Frank so badly when he was doing his best to make the marriage work. But in the end I realized that love also matters, and her love for Jamie was also pure and beautiful. Still I felt so sad for Frank being left behind, and even more so when he died and unable to find happiness during the chaos that was his life. A true tragedy. But no one is to blame, thats just life. Sometimes it’s unfair and cruel
That's what I think. I feel sorry for him and it was truly unfair.
That's what I think. I feel sorry for him and it was truly unfair.
"Bitch please!!!"
She's (mistress) actually right
I feel so bad for Frank. His wife goes missing for 3 years, comes back pregnant by another man. He tries to make it work, provides for her and the baby even though it wasnt his obligation. He buys her a house, basically raises their daughter because she was always at school/work. He loves her for years and tries to make it work, but once she says it's okay for him to date other women she gets jealous. He has to deal with her abusive tendenceies (throwing things, outbursts, etc) and when he is finally going to move on he dies married to a woman who didnt love him. Sad.
I love Claire but this other woman is 100% right
TOTALLY AGREE WITH U
100% wrong. She shouldn't be chasing taken men. Regardless if she could have made him happier, claire told frank to leave and he chose to stay. His choice , not hers.
How is she right, though. Frank is a fully grown man who chose to stay in a loveless marriage for Brianna's sake. They both made this choice as adults. And while there's a lot that can be said for the way Claire treated Frank when she returned, the fact the blame for how unhappy Frank was gets put solely on Claire is wrong.
Ten years ago, Claire wanted the divorce. Frank said no. Don't blame Claire, it was Frank's decision.
LJO 1977 exactly ! he made his choice and knew what he was getting into the fact he chose to stay is on him the blame shouldn’t be on Claire , she didn’t make him stay she asked him to leave her the fact is the choice and decision was his not hers
Wtf, if you're going to break the bonds of someone else's marriage at least have the integrity not to talk down to his wife and chastise her like you're somehow on higher moral ground. Mistresses should know their place.
@Asha Haha that's true I guess
You can’t find love in someone else’s husband/wife🤷🏽♀️ She made me so upset.
Jamie did.
Typical mistress. Frank would have dropped Sandy like a bad habit if Claire had given him half a reason.
But.. How Frank died?
Everyone in the comment is caping for Claire because Frank chose to stay because he wanted to be a father but like Sandy’s not wrong either? Claire used Frank and stayed because of her promise to Jamie. She waved it constantly in Frank’s face that Bree wasn’t his daughter. She threatened to use his adultry against him if they divorced. If she truly wanted to leave, she would have divorced him herself. She wanted him to be the bad guy so she would feel deserves in her righteousness. None of these characters were perfect but Claire doesn’t get called out on her shit enough.
Personally, i think one of the biggest mistakes the writers made, was, to humanize the character of Frank, as well as give him more space in the series, i think that this change, did not help Claire's character, HER story, her story with Jamie, the relationship between Jamie and Brianna, and the character of the latter !!! ; I understand the reason for this choice, but i really think it was a HUGE mistake !!! ; I would have preferred an anti-hero kind of character !! .
In the book Frank has multiple affairs and women do indeed come Claire and ask to let him go.
Claire loves Jamie and doesnt let Frank in anymore
I stumbled upon and started watching this series on TH-cam today so I'm royally confused! The time period is all wrong here! Does the series intertwine 2 (or perhaps more) time periods with the same characters (ex.: claire v. claire?) but with different set of actors/actresses or something in different time period?
rain74925 *SPOILERS* the first season is about Claire traveling to the 1700’s leaving her husband frank behind in 1948. She marries another man Jaime to save her life. By Season 2 she does return to 1950 but pregnant with Jaime’s child, which while Claire is getting use to returning to her first husband Frank, the season does go back to the events in the 1700’s leading up to Claire’s return to home. Season 3 takes place decades after Claire returned back to her time, while also showing Jaime’s life after Claire leaves. They used the same actors for everything.
@@RebelleGameOfficial Thanks for that recap. That's um.......interesting. lol. thanks again.
Claire’s cheekbones look fantastic!
She's wrong and misdirecting her anger and pain. Don't get involved with a married man. Even if it "works out", it never really works out. If they cheat with you, they will cheat on you.
what a naive child.
He should have let her go if you ask me !
Who felt really bad for Frank?
Parth Patel not me he’s pathetic and selfish and self centered
Me
Claire really screwed over Frank. Claire fell out of love with him through the choices she made. Frank did what was right and suffered for it. It's always been the sad part of the story. As beautiful as her love with Jamie is the other side of the coin the betrayal and hurt she caused Frank is there.
Finally someone with a brain.
I understand the thought process and my heart also hurts for this version of Frank (because book version was a dick). But I'm still confused as to how people manage to put so much blame on Claire. The girl tried many times and I mean MANY to find her way back to the stones and go home. If you watch the show, circumstance after circumstance stopped her; it was never her choice to not go back UNTIL she finally fell in love with Jamie. She even got harassed by Black Jack Randall twice in attempts to go home (once when she first comes and the second time when she runs away from Jamie and the group of men). She tried to go back EVEN WHEN she was falling in love with Jamie. The girl tried her best and fought her hardest to leave and while I understand the situation is complex and Frank really did go through a lot, it's hard for me to give equal blame to Claire. In this whole situation, she made mistakes, but I don't she heartlessly cheated on Frank; her situation culminated into her finally deciding to stay, but that girl fought every step of the way to go back, so it's hard for me to agree with the statement that she fell out of love with him "through the choices she made."
I hate that Claire is viewed to be the bad guy when it was Frank who forced Claire to let go of Jamie and be here to be his wife again instead of what she wanted.
The mistress vs the bigamist!
I have a feeling Frank is Black Jack Randall
Which episode is it?
yes frank had many opportunities to leave claire but he never stayed for her. he knew she could never love him. he stayed for brianna. he was sterile and could never have children so raising a child instead of leaving a single mother on her own WAS his decision. he loved brianna as his own till the end. its too bad claire can't stand that everything is not about her.
Claire's not the one who made Frank's memorial about her. The mistress did.
Cocogurlluv maybe because claire didn't care. the mistress didn't even know frank as long as claire did and yet she way more moved about frank's death than claire. claire didn't have to love frank thats fine but she shouldn't lie to herself and everyone pretending like she did
waves That makes no sense. So, because she didn't take a moment that was supposed to be about honoring Frank's life and make it all about her she didn't care as much? Also, she's just living the lie that BOTH she and Frank agreed to. What was she supposed to do? Stand up on a table and announce to his friends and colleagues that she didn't love the man? No. She tried to keep the day about Frank. The mistress made it about herself.
Cocogurlluv Cocogurlluv yeah claire didn't care about him. and the mistress simply had a private conversation with claire. at funerals people make a speech about how much that person meant to them. its not like she called claire out in front of everyone and made a scene. THAT is making it about yourself.
@@vicewaves369She's the MISTRESS. She has no business having any kind of conversation with Claire, especially when she clearly doesn't know the whole story. Like the fact Claire gave Frank an out and he didn't take it. I take a lot issues with the way Claire treated Frank when she got back. I thought she was really unfair to him, but this is one confrontation she didn't deserve. She's being blamed for Frank's decision now.
Frank I think made a choice that many men had to make in that he chose to be with his child over his girlfriend
Frank kept her by his side through lies ! He wouldn’t leave her ... he couldn’t let her to be with the love of her life , the result? He remained a miserable man throughout his marriage to a woman who couldn’t love him back
Thank you, the comments defending Claire are repulsive. Claire said herself that she stopped loving Frank once she returned, but yet remained with him for years. How disgusting. How about let him go to love and live and not be selfish.
@@thealphaandomega9348 I didn’t defend Frank I’m one hundred percent on Claire’s side ! Frank was a jealous unkind and a selfish man because he couldn’t have children he was more than happy to raise ( steals) another mans child but because he couldn’t let Claire go he kept her by his side through jealousy and lies ! He himself admits it in his letter to his friend that he has kept Claire through lies and manipulation.
@@mitrairanii9398 Thank you, the comments defending Claire are repulsive.
@@thealphaandomega9348 I am defending Claire
@@mitrairanii9398 Thank you, all of these comments defending Claire is Repulsive.
Her look is vubing off a dark haired Barbra Streisand. I'm halfway through season 2 as I write this comment btw. This scene is not making too much sense to me so I need to do a lot of catching up
Yo Claire just took that bs?! Gotta watch the whole scene. Still on S2.
Men are visual..mistresses are the new concubines!!..Sometimes many and often..sometimes Just a few Favorites!!..
idk why people hate on this woman so much when she and claire really aren't that different...? was she a mistress? sure she was. but then again in a way so was claire. she was married to frank and she still married jamie in the past and had his children. not only that, but she lived for the next 20 years loving another man while being with frank. i'm not condemning claire's behaviour, i'm just saying it would be kind of hypocritical to condemn frank or frank's mistress if you're going to sanctify claire. i think that's the point of this scene: love is messy, and there's never going to be somebody that keeps their hands completely clean when you're that in love. claire married another man and had his child because she was so in love with him. frank didn't separate from claire even though it probably would've saved him and claire from much agony because he was so in love with her. this woman became frank's mistress because she was so in love with him. everybody's a bit shady tbh.
so true
Her being a mistress is not the problem. Her having the nerve to blame Claire for her and Frank not being there and to do it while Brianna was there is the problem for me. And while I agree that nobody's hands are completely clean in here, it's hard to compare Claire and Sandy's situations as Sandy didn't not go the extreme situation that Claire went through.
Cocogurlluv thing is that Brianna actually knew about sandy and knew that her parents marriage was only one of obligation and duty I’m quoting from DOA in saying that . I happen to think this is why Diana married laoghaire and Jamie to show that both Claire and Jamie had relationships of obligation that their hearts weren’t truly in because of their broken hearts
So u want to compare someone who was transported back in time, had to marry another man to save their lives and somehow fell in love in the middle of a war while being chased and sexually assaulted by a man that looks just like her husband with someone who started making googly eyes with her married teacher one day
@@mychannel-rt2gn 😂😂 I was thinking the same thing. Sandy and Claire are no where on the same level. It seems like a lot of people forget C&J were forced to marry to save her life. I don't think C explaining to them "well I have a husband in the future, I can't marry anyone" was going to get here anywhere other than to a burning stake
She has a name. It's Sandy Travers.
Does Frank's lover look very similar to😉 the woman who cheats him when looking for Claire when disappeared?... even the name..
claire is the worst protagonist i've ever come across in my years of watching tv, she and jamie both are just insufferable
Well, that's an original comment, I have to say. Ha Ha!
And another thing: if it wasn't for Captain Randall, they wouldn't have found each other. You have to feel some sympathy - rotten army pay, lousy rations, while all those upper ranks are gorging themselves as he does all the dirty work! Everyone's against him - and he's angry! Anyone would be.
@@StephenSeabird it's interesting how in the later seasons when he's killed off they bring in that grey dude, who is basically randall but w/o the s&m or any kind of personality beyond "wants jamie's dink"
I'm glad she said that
what episode was this?
I think episode 3 or 4 from s3
The mistress telling the wife that she lived the lie, and yet she lived an adulterous life with a married man. Smh!
and the married wife lived an adulterous life with another man
@@DapaChrons - Doesn't matter in this case..The wife wasn't pointing fingers nor making accusations. The pot calling the kettle black! Plus, Claire situation was understandable and acceptable. She was stuck in another time and did what she had to do to survive. She was alone and Jamie was there to help her through it. They fell in-love. It's not like she did it behind Frank's back on purpose.
I hate Frank, I always have.
I hate you