Maybe Spassky Was Right About Ivanchuk...
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Garifullina, Leya (2413) - Ivanchuk, Vasyl (2625)
Reykjavik Open 2024 (Reykjavik) [8.12] C70 2024.03.20
C70 Ruy Lopez, fianchetto defence deferred
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 g6 5.d4 b5 6.Bb3 exd4 7.c3 Bg7 8.cxd4 Nge7 9.d5 Na5 10.Bd2 c5 11.Bc3 Bxc3+ 12.bxc3 d6 13.Nbd2 f6 14.O-O g5 15.e5 dxe5 16.Ne4 Ng6 17.Nxc5 Qb6 18.Ne4 O-O 19.d6+ Kg7 20.d7 Bb7 21.Qd6 Qc6 22.Qxc6 Bxc6 23.Nc5 Nf4 24.Rfd1 Nb7 25.Nxb7 Bxb7 26.Rd2 Rfd8 27.Ne1 Bc6 28.Rd6 Bxd7 29.Rad1 Ra7 30.R1d2 Ng6 31.Nd3 Rc8 32.Nb4 Nf8 33.Nxa6 Rxc3 34.h3 h5 35.Nb4 h4 36.Kh2 Rc5 37.Rb6 Bf5 38.Rd8 Rc8 39.Rdd6 Nd7 40.Rxb5 Nc5 41.Nc6 Rd7 42.Rxc5 Rxd6 43.Ne7
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"We trust Chucky more than the engine."
"He resigned in an objectively drawn endgame."
Chuxky is a complex man of contradictions. Its why we love him
He resigned against a 2400 opponent in a drawn position 😂. Cognitive decline due to old age sadly.
@@ndnd7614Still played an errorless game.
@@ndnd7614i’m sure you would have evaluated the position correctly, you absolute clown
@@ClarkPotter well, maybe right until the end, where he resigned a drawn endgame.
We trust Ivanchuk more than the engine
I think the engine will draw this game easily 😂
@rochfati2732 he's referencing the quote by agadmator
💯
Took the repeated words right out of my mouth 😂.
Yeah, right. Lol. I wonder if Agad was sarcastic here
Somebody once said that the absolutely worst move was to resign a won game (Larry Evans, I believe). This is _almost_ as bad.
Growing up in the 80s I saw the young Ivanchuk play in the Junior European Chess Championship in my hometown Groningen in the Netherlands. The tournament was held over the Christmas break. Good times.
13:25 I anticipated Antonio would chuckle at the classic "e1 check" by Ivanchuk.
But it was Ivanchuk himself who could have gone for the e1 check 🙂
Chucky giving the Lady respect for her crafty maneuvers
#suggestion
Ivanchuk vs jobava 2010 a game of romantic chess
Also ivanchuk vs shirov 1996 a game between 2 wizards
What about suggestion # Spassky vs Ivanchuk
@@michaelmassaro4375 The point of #suggestion is to suggest a particular game, not just the names of players. Spassky and Ivanchuk played dozens of games.
16:46 b4 resigning always check
So what did Spassky say about Ivanchuk?
He said that Ivanchuk is a coward
@@antar7475that’s not what I read I had read that Spassky said Ivanchuck is an Extroardinary player
Unless you hear it for yourself take whatever someone says with a grain of salt I heard Spassky actually felt Ivanchuck is an extremely strong player
Agad explained it in previous video with Ivanchuk. There was a story.
@@michaelmassaro4375
Bruh...You have no clue, you're talking about Ivanchuk playstyle which has nothing to do with the topic, so don't try to act smart and listen to people who know instead.
Spassky said Ivanchuk was a coward after he got scared by a dog while they were walking on the street, and kept talking about it for hours.
Excellent endgame study. Intuitively I would have said that the two pieces and the passer would have been enough, but that goes to prove that rooks are really strong in the endgame, when there are so many open files and ranks.
And you'd be right. But here the only thing to reconsider resignation would be that the passer was the edge pawn, which restricts the Knight's power.
Absolutely correct. "we trust Chucky more than the engine"
At 3:34 why can’t black capture on b2 with the bishop? Yes you lose the knight but then you can grab the rook.
I wonder too
This line (main engine line after 10. ... Bxb2):
11. Bxa5 Bxa1 12. Nc3 Bxc3+ 13. Bxc3 Rf8
Results in black having a really bad position with no space despite being up the exchange. Evaluation by engine is +2.9
@@jasonchangdalekrulethank you!
I believe this is the second time you've shown Chucky resign in a draw position. It seems at this age he just says the hell with it, I'm not in the mood to play it out
Yeah was just about to comment this I think this might even be the third time if my memory is correct
@@brandonwade8094 I thought maybe so too but was sure twice
17:16 kinda curious about that position
Me too. kinda interesting
I'm really amazed at how much your English has improved in the time you've been presenting your chess channel. Have you had lessons or is it just practice?
I’m not a GM by any measure, but I sometimes resign positions where I think I could work hard and get a draw. It’s just that drawing doesn’t feel any better than losing so putting in a ton of work for a draw seems pointless. I’m not playing in tournaments though, of course.
Good job refusing to get better at the game. Just incredible people in the world :D
@@PurplePigCEO He sounds like someone who plays online casually, which is perfectly reasonable. Not everyone who plays chess has a goal of becoming the best player they can be.
3:23 after Bd2 at my level I would need a line to be shown explaining why Bb2 is not a good response from black.
I understand it might alas be obvious to most viewers.
White would go bc3, forcing black to give up their strong dark squared bishop
If you mean Bxb2, I assume it would be countered by Bc3, forcing an exchange and leaving white with a better position (black underdeveloped with no black bishop and the rook on g8 exposed) at the cost of one pawn.
It is not an easy line at all. If Bxd2, white wins with Bxa5 because after blacks takes the rook on a1, white plays nc3 almost forcing the trade of bishop x night on c3 and, after white Bishop on a5 captures back, white has control of the long diagonal and way better development for the exchange. If you don't trade on c3 and try to save the bishop with something like Bb2 white gets a ton of initiative.
If you what to snap that B2 pawn best thing to do would probably be to trade knight for bishop on B3 and then play Bxb2. I checked with the computer and it says it's equal.
@@gabrieleloccioni6087- thanks - I wondered that too.
Antonio missed that important line.
not obvious to me and even after the explanations stated by others I would still do it. I was going to ask the same question but the comment section never lets me down.
At 3:41 Black to capture at b2? Why not?
I've been enjoying your recent coverage of women in chess, the games have been interesting especially in the context of their success versus these asymmetrical ratings.
This game oscillated between obvious and some very subtle moves all the way to the end, fantastic achievement by Leya and Vasyl, kudos to Leya for the win! Thanks for this great analysis!
Ivanchuk simply loves chess. Does this dude play every single open tournament there is?
At 15:10 you could also just force a draw with Rxc2. The a-pawn will fall and you are quick enough to reach the corner, white has the wrong bishop.
He tends to do it. Agad even featured one at least that I remember on this channel.
A grandmaster resigning in a drawn position that isn’t even critical or complicated. That’s a rarity.
It's called 'style' which is almost non-exsistent among chess players.
I have won a R versus N+B endgame with the rook against a strong player in a game which decided club championship.
The issue with it when there are a few pawns on both sides of the board is that the knight cannot easily play on both sides of the board and lacking support points it can be attacked to gain tempo.
Leya is the winner. I can know that before watching the video because of the picture of the presentation that you put on the video. As usual, the picture of the winner :(
Good point, it'd be a good idea to use both faces or switch up winner/loser regularly. In this case, the title kind of gave it away but it was a good title ;)
You should watch the whole video then.
And now you spoiled it for us who never noticed that :(
At 3:29, why bishop to b2 is not a good move?? Can you please explain ??
For those who are interested in evaluation, Rxc5 was the only move for V.I. to continue the game. Evaluation 0.2 at the depth of 41. The second best move gave 1.16 and the third 2.37 which is definitely losing. Not to say that Vassily would miss Rxc5 but the time trouble and stuff, maybe resignation might be the, well probably not the best, but gentlemanish decision.
Great game, congrazs to leya, 👍
There is a very enjoyable book by GM Ian Rogers, "Oops, I resigned again," all examples of players of all levels resigning in drawn or even winning positions.
Every position looks resignable indeed, but since you know it's in this book, you eventually see the way out.
Recommended.
There is also magical alirezas tournament full of questionable resignations
Why not Bxb2 at 3:39?
Well good analysis
Ivanchuk
The nightmare of world champions!
After watching his game against Kasparov i don’t believe how he didn’t become a champion 😮
Very inconsistent a deal breaker quality to become world champ
Sadly playing creative chess isn't very fruitful in terms of winning golds
Suggestion # Ivanchuk vs Spassky I’d like to see a follow-up Agadmator and maybe you could give some more history on the two players myself included I think some people are wondering what Spassky actually said about Ivanchuk I had read on Google that Spassky was very impressed by Ivanchuk
This defense looks very interesting for black, will have to try it in some games - getting tired of main line of Spanish.
Leya played a great game, Ivanchuk shoulda played on though
Love what you do for the chess community!
Would you play Dragons Dogma 2? It has pawns, kings, queens, and horses I am sure!
What a wacky pr0 middle game. Thank you, Mr. Agadmator!
Vasyl probably saw how exhausting the end game would be so he just resigned hahaha. Very good by Leya.
This perfect game futures the huge role of the activity of the king in the end game 👌
Every other chess TH-camr is absolutely in love with Magnus, and they worship the ground he walks on... I really like that Antonio's favourite players are Ivanchuk and Tal and Dubov, and he's not just looking for views by only showing games from Magnus, Hans and Hikaru
Yeah, Magnus is good for the algorithm, but it's nice to see some other games.
Magnus is the last player I would want to see unless it’s a Game where he’s beat I find his winning very monotonous and Boring
I think that any attention chess can get is positive. I have been with Antonio before levy blew up. Both creators have their strengths and reasons why I watch them. Antonio gives a documentary like style to the game and makes you feel smarter than what you really are, whereas Levy feels like my shit talking friend that bullies me for me being bad but it's all good lol. And then Hikaru is the crazy fast professor that makes you realize you'll never reach his level 😅. All in all, I want chess to get bigger, no matter who does it. There's so many more games that must be played
Why didnt black bishop capture pawn on b2 ?
Minute 3
I checked this with an engine and hell is coming for black.
Great video as always!
I was wondering what you consider a mistakeless game, though: is it a game where all the moves are within the top 3 engine moves or something like that? Because in my novice understanding, a truly mistakeless game should lead to a draw, right?
Thank you to anybody who will answer :)
Edit: Oops, after having watched the whole video, the end game appears to indeed be a draw…
At 3:34 why did black not play Bb2 trapping the rook?
I think Bc3 and you either trade and maybe white has too much activity or you take the rook and the white bishop becomes a monster
When you said there were no mistakes but still a decisive result, I assumed Ivanchuk played brilliantly and lost on time, which is the most Ivanchuk way to lose, but resigning a drawn endgame is also very Ivanchuk. 😅
"knight back to b4" is a smooth one
at the 4:36 mark ne5 looks interesting
3:38
can you just give up the rook like that?
Exactly! Wondering why he didn’t take the rook?! Makes no sense.
In 03:38 why dont eat the pawn with the black bishop and then the rook? the bishop could be trap and lost with the knight in a5?
something like Bxb2 - Bxa5 Bxa1 - e5 and the bishop can only eat the pawn but has no excape. Is still a rook and 2 pawns for a knight amd a bishop.. it ain't bed.. there is probably something else..
2pawn and a rook is not enought compensation for a knight and bishop or depends of the situation ?@@Strade8
Garifullina ❤
Noob Question : Can someone answer to me why Ivanchuk did'nt take bxb2 when Leya moves her bishop to d2 at 3:26 ?
The only mistake was to resign! Stunning
I thought ivanchuk said hardest move to find is knight backwards. Not strongest move
#suggestion # suggestions
If your friend's game was really one for the books (resigning with a mate in 5 available), perhaps you could ask your friend to provide the position, so we can have a "pause the video" kind of moment, as a picture in a Community Post!
I will try to find it. It was some 12 years ago
Engine may show that the final position is equal but it is very difficult for a human to play for a draw.
That was a kind of odd ending with a move that wasn’t even played yet the Fork that she was about to do with her knight winning two pieces surprisingly he didn’t continue a Rook vs passed pawn Bishop and Knight I think it would’ve taken much effort from him to even draw that game so I kind of understand his decision to resign
For GM with 2600+ rating I don't think the position would have been too difficult. It is more like he did see some line is his mind that was loosing.
Ivanchuk has always been somewhat of an artist and if his position looks ugly to him his play weakens considerably, or he resigns. Of course he's also a competitor so this tendency only shows up once in awhile.
Its like running out of bullets in a six-shooter and surrendering instead of throwing your gun block their last shot! What a game by Leya! Is she princess Leya now?
Then there was 1 mistake in the game... resignation. You win more games by crushing your opponent's spirit than you do their pieces.
Enjoyable game!
Ivanchuk is distributing points around; I mean he got them on the board, he might as well return them.
Shes good!
What did Spassky say about invanchuk?
What did Spassky say about Ivanchuk?
Chucky was late for a game of checkers
13:25 What did you say? I didn't hear that. "Rook to Ivanchuk", right? RIGHT?!
What did Spassky sayyyy?
Leya beat Alexandra Botez two days ago.
Agadmator never said about Spassky talking for Ivanchuk, what does he mean?
Why does it feel like I've watched this video before? Like maybe 2 years ago?
Today Ivanchuk was hungry so he went for the meal
I didn’t get what Spassky said about Ivanchuk
Ivanchuk is playing like the elders in our home. They win or they resign. Resignation is an appreciation.
What did Spassky say about ivanchuk?
3:26 isn't bxb2 winning?
bxa5 and move knight to c3 to give up exchange. Don't even need to talk about compensation. Black king is not surviving with those dark square holes
I just realized Ivanchuk is just Ukrainian version of Johnson
Really? So Ivan is John? I suppose Ivan -> Ian/Yan -> Johan -> Johannes -> John could be the evolution of it
More specifically: "Basil Johnson", if you want to go all the way :)
@@IngieKerr he looks like a Basil
Bro, quit ridin the dudes Ivanchuk
@@quazzydiscmanwell what’s it there for then
Actually, what did Spasky say about Ivanchuk?
Can't really say neither player made a mistake because resigning in a draw game is just that 👀
Comments like "Lol Ivanchuck is an idiot."
Bro you would've lost this game in 9 moves, you're not him.
I get the feeling he resigned just because he didn't see the fork.
Ivanchuck was obviously on tilt. He resigned in a draw-ish position.
So you are saying there was actually a mistake made.. Ivanchuk resigned prematurely
There was a single mistake, Ivanchuk resigned. Still very entertaining game
@agadmator: what Spassky said about Ivanchuk
The only mistake Chucky made was to resign.
I am sure he was just too upset with all the defencive task and at this point in his career he is allowed to lose due to mood
In Ivanchuk we trust
👍🏻👍🏻
gg
so, what Spassky said about Ivanchuk?
That he is too scared to become a champion, something in that sense 😀
Has "The Great Vasily Inanchuk" ever won a game on this channel?
He made one mistake at the end after all. 😊
Zero mistakes by both of them but resigning was a mistake.
Why didn’t he take the rook ? 🧐
Sad to see ivanchuk in such mental state.... Better he should retire😢❤
#suggestion Please Agad we love the videos but don’t put the winner’s picture on the thumbnail, at least not as soon as the vídeo releases, as it always spoils the result and a bit of the fun. Love the coverage as always.
To anybody still wondering what Spassky said, it was that Ivancuhuk is too scared to become a champion, something in that sense 😀
In a game typical of the "Chess Tactics" channel, white would have gone on to win, lol. It's amazing how boring games are decided sometimes.
Ivanchuk should not have resigned - there was plenty left to play for.
The only mistake in this game was resigning