We Have Never Been Modern - Bruno Latour

Pills and Erik celebrate Latour Day. Cracking one of our old favs (amzn.to/3O2fLVp), to discuss the theory island chain, the scheme of actor network theory, and why reality is more complex than theoretical models.
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[@ageofbumfires5216]

Gordian Knot lol.
An episode following the thought experiment of 1:04:00 would be pretty neat I think.

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

Welcome to the “We’re clueless about science” podcast! How does magnets work?

[@Toxoplasmosic]

It's the missing electrons, clearly

[@g.aathoz1211]

Aah an examination and presentation of linguistic sophistry...

[@dingleburryjoe9437]

I also live on BC, you do any reasing groups or just patreon?

[@hugolevasseur3324]

please do an episode on OOO!

[@Ruairitrick]

Christ this was tedious. As it was presented here, one could reasonably think Latour's project is to encourage pedantry

[@ianwalker6054]

god Eric's voice is ngl trés sxc

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

I don’t know, but I’ve never understood why people who are into continental philosophy seem to have such a big problem with the concept of “the thing in itself”. I have never read Kant and doesn’t know anything about his philosophy, but to me this concept is absolutely obvious. Yes, the only thing we have direct unmediated access to is our own consciousness, and the external world has to be accessed indirectly through our senses. There’s no way getting around this no matter how much one tries. I don’t see the problem here, but all the continental people seem to think this is some kind of heresy. The same thing with Descartes and “I think, therefore I am”, which is a totally obvious fact that no reasonable person could ever doubt, but for some reason this is now considered controversial or wrong or something. The whole attitude seems very irrational to me. And on the opposite side, among scientists and analytical philosophers, you have these insane people who think that consciousness is an illusion! Just nonsense and irrationalism going around everywhere.

[@givepeaceachance940]

Well, I think if anything seems obvious, it bears questioning, no? Perhaps something about our unconscious biases seem to lead us to that conclusion. For instance, “I think, therefore, I am” to me is completely irrational, as being and thinking are two completely different things. You can be braindead and exist, for one thing. Unless you count consciousness as existence, which I don’t

[@JHimminy]

Many things I used to feel were obvious and unquestionable I no longer do.

[@MAAEEULAZ]

“I have never read Kant and don’t know anything about philosophy”

[@JohnEpto-ng6ml]

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[@ludviglidstrom6924]

Neil deGrasse Tyson is an actual scientist.

[@christopherellis2663]

Enough blather. TB has been around for at least 9000 years.. the earliest written record is 3300 years old. The disease affects the bones, and that is how it is recognised in mummies. Arguing from ignorance is worthless.

[@fede2]

Way to miss the point.