Motor timing does increase speed. For the Castle motor it is changed through the ESC. I feel like if you would bump it up to about 22 degrees, it would put out numbers very close to if not higher than the Ruddog. The Castle motor was by far the best balanced which will aid in durability.
I have a ruddog 5.0 40 degrees timing on the motor 22 degrees on the esc with a 13.5mm drag racing rotor, ceramic bearings on 2s 23/90 gearing. I'm telling you it's impressive I have taken out quite a few high dollar motors
I'm guessing the Ruddog was louder because of the large cutaways in the side, which probably add some air cooling. Thanks for the test, that was interesting
R1: yeah we like to keep our quality motors intact Castle: we can squeeze a bit more without blowing up Ruddog: to Scheisse whith safety, whe like a bit of chaos jah!
Damn don't know why but I jumped damn near threw my phone when that cable collapsed & the motor sparked 😂 I think I was watching a bit to intensely Ha Ha 🤘🏼 💯
Great video, I have the 7700kv castle in my drag car now and it moves. I always tried to get an answer from them about the timing in the motor, but now I have an idea.
I got the red dog motor for turn. I put it on up hobbywing Quicrun 120 BL on 2 s and it keeps cutting off is it because that motor sucks too much power for that little $50 ESC to handle I have the ESC from my old XO one I was thinking of setting it up on that one
Lmfaoooo im in the same boat man i have a trinity holshot 3turn motor and an mmx8s ive capped at 2.3 seconds on 2s but the esc is dieing i would just go with the maclan drk 160 esc and the 3.5t maclan mmr motor youll thank me later
Does this device work for testing motors without hall sensors? The manual seems to indicate it does but I don’t understand how it would. I’m looking to test the kv a bunch of smaller drone motors without hall sensors.
Speaking from first hand experience. The 7700 is fast on conservative gearing but will get hot fast. But it’ll hold up. Used to run mine in a slash on 3s lol.
@@kgrc0078 after almost a year, do you have an update with the ruddog/hobbystar combo? I am curious to learn how the esc has held up. Are you only limited to the program card or can you access easier settings with an app at all? On the ruddog being loud, do you feel better bearings from the start would have improved any concerns? Thanks for these videos, keep it up!
On the back of the can there are 3 screws. Loosen them. You’ll see numbers on the side at the back. Timing will be like a pinion gear; higher the number the faster
Does the lower current men less torque? While lower amps may be efficient the motor with the less torque will take longest to achieve high rpm.... the Ruddog will come last in that drag race I reckon
That's a hell of a motor for the Typhon. With that motor you would be able to run pretty much any gearing you want with the light Typhon. At least the gearing you could fit with the motor mount. That being said, the 1717 could handle a lot more gearing in a Typhon. Your best bet is to experiment with what gearing works for your track. The highest gearing you can run doesn't mean it will make it good on your track. Run laps with each pinion and figure out your best average time for each pinion size. Either way, start with 2 teeth higher than your stock gear. Jump up two teeth for every 500 kv difference is ideal. So for example your stock pinion is a 16t and you are running the stock 2050 kv and you installed the Castle motor, you'd want to run a 20t pinion on the Castle motor to get approximately the same speed. 2050 - 1650 = 400.
Thank you! Unfortunately, this testing doesn’t give any idea of the actual torque produced......so interesting results , but not really helpful or predictive......cool gadget.
R1 motors are just over priced rebranded surpass motors. You can get just as good of a motor for half the price in the rocket v5r or the hobbystar pro v3.
Motor timing does increase speed. For the Castle motor it is changed through the ESC. I feel like if you would bump it up to about 22 degrees, it would put out numbers very close to if not higher than the Ruddog. The Castle motor was by far the best balanced which will aid in durability.
Also, the phase sensors were all absolutely even, meaning the sensor locations on the board are very precise.
Which means less heat when your dialing in your timing..
Castle was by far the best these. The vibration and timing variation between the phases speaks for itself...
I have a ruddog 5.0 40 degrees timing on the motor 22 degrees on the esc with a 13.5mm drag racing rotor, ceramic bearings on 2s 23/90 gearing. I'm telling you it's impressive I have taken out quite a few high dollar motors
Thank you for this video! I just picked up two 7700kv motors, not castle but still gives me an idea! I have the ruddog 4.5t in the bin as a backup...
My pleasure! My goal is to be able to help 👍🏼
I need to make my S22 faster what motor can I use?
How did the 7700kv hold up
I'm guessing the Ruddog was louder because of the large cutaways in the side, which probably add some air cooling. Thanks for the test, that was interesting
R1: yeah we like to keep our quality motors intact
Castle: we can squeeze a bit more without blowing up
Ruddog: to Scheisse whith safety, whe like a bit of chaos jah!
😂😂
Damn don't know why but I jumped damn near threw my phone when that cable collapsed & the motor sparked 😂 I think I was watching a bit to intensely Ha Ha 🤘🏼 💯
That castle just sweeps the board
almost perfect 69420
LoL it peaked 69515 before he hit the switch
He said the castle 7700kv! Thing was a beast.
Great video, I have the 7700kv castle in my drag car now and it moves. I always tried to get an answer from them about the timing in the motor, but now I have an idea.
What time you running
@@billymartini7723 I've graduated from the castle system and now have an r1 system with a fantom 3.5 and love the combo. Running 2.2 @63
@@Lushiouscorey2011 r1 wurks esc can handle a 3.5 i didnt know that what i really want to know is what can handle a 3t
@@nolimitrc1 the r1 will run it you just have to be careful with the tune and gearing.
Best gearing to run on my bandit with 7700kv motor mamba monster 2 esc and foam rears for drag racing?
I have a Ruddog 6T and its not loud at all. I think your was maybe vibrating a bit on the analyzer.
nice video bruv I just order myself the same tester.
You can adjust the timing making numbers way different . So motors can be faster then out of box .
These were just stock out of the box. But yes 👍🏼
How can I adjust the the r1 with the esc I have it says don’t go above 20
So for amp draw on the castle your amount stated was(way lower)
not an actual number. way lower is not a unit of measurement..
Braddah that was an awsum video mahalo for all you do 🤙
Thank you!!
You tested the Ruddog At two pole when the box says four pole.
Great video.
Appreciate it 👍🏼
I got the red dog motor for turn. I put it on up hobbywing Quicrun 120 BL on 2 s and it keeps cutting off is it because that motor sucks too much power for that little $50 ESC to handle I have the ESC from my old XO one I was thinking of setting it up on that one
I need to make my Losi 22S faster what motor should I purchase?
Lmfaoooo im in the same boat man i have a trinity holshot 3turn motor and an mmx8s ive capped at 2.3 seconds on 2s but the esc is dieing i would just go with the maclan drk 160 esc and the 3.5t maclan mmr motor youll thank me later
@@nolimitrc1 Will thanks for the help
You had the last motor set on 2 pole when it was a 4 pole. You did not get accurate KV or RPMs.
What about if you don't have a sensor wire to plug into a TP motor
I’d like to know this as well
The louder the motor means it's shim wrong. And dry bearings.
Does this device work for testing motors without hall sensors? The manual seems to indicate it does but I don’t understand how it would.
I’m looking to test the kv a bunch of smaller drone motors without hall sensors.
Was the Ruddog loud or just not on the rubber pads? it sounded like it was vibrating against plastic?
I think I just didn’t set them right
Wow
Is the hobby wing V10 g2 5000kv 6.5 turn better for drag on my rustler 2wd 2s than the R1 3.5 turn 9500kv??
Nice video so what motor of the 3 would be best for my mamba monster 2 esc for drag racing? And what gearing should I run?
So, what I learned, the more torque the higher the amp draw. So, r1 would win this
Is that castle motor better than the original no prep drag 1412 castle motor?
That R1 motor had a really bad sensor board, 40, 35, 32 is way off
I called castle directly they recommend the 5700kv for drag racing 🤔
Interesting 🤔
@@kgrc0078 I must note I told them I was converting a slash to a no prep drag car and i mentioned above video the tech said 7700 would run hot 🤔
Speaking from first hand experience. The 7700 is fast on conservative gearing but will get hot fast. But it’ll hold up. Used to run mine in a slash on 3s lol.
What are you looking for in a motor, AMPS or RPMS?
More rpm of course. But it seems to show also that the higher torque motors use more amps 👍🏼
Why no hobbywing??4.5t?????
motor castle 7700kv can use for rc scale 1/10 on road sir ?
Yep. It’ll fly.
WHAT ESC WOULD YOU PAIR UP THAT RUDDOG MOTOR WITH ?
I did the hobbystar 160a turbo esc. Man, it’s FAST
@@kgrc0078 Thank you 🙏
You’re welcome 👍🏼
Go castle
@@kgrc0078 after almost a year, do you have an update with the ruddog/hobbystar combo? I am curious to learn how the esc has held up. Are you only limited to the program card or can you access easier settings with an app at all? On the ruddog being loud, do you feel better bearings from the start would have improved any concerns?
Thanks for these videos, keep it up!
That budget motor tho.
Is the castle 7700 a good motor for drag racing?
I like it. Very competitive 👍🏼
@@kgrc0078 What is the best gearing for drag racing?
9100kv??
Is castle a good drag motor?
It’s not bad at all
On the r1 how can I back down the timing?
On the back of the can there are 3 screws. Loosen them. You’ll see numbers on the side at the back. Timing will be like a pinion gear; higher the number the faster
But also remember that more speed = more heat so be careful
Does the lower current men less torque? While lower amps may be efficient the motor with the less torque will take longest to achieve high rpm.... the Ruddog will come last in that drag race I reckon
I believe you hit the nail right on the head my friend 👍🏼
@@kgrc0078 ok, so is there a way to measure torque on that measuring rig or is there a way to calculate torque from specs?
So lower the number means for more torque
Hear to ask a ? Seen a surpass 3.0t 11000kv around to test😂😮
I blew up my other 7700kv motor at 235thousand rpm and it blew up
Did you run it on 6s?? 235k 😮
@@kgrc0078 nope strait 2s
Lol how’s that even possible??
@@kgrc0078 we threw all the timing at jt
Yeah. No you didn’t.
Sup bro have typhon v5 v6 thinking bout replacing with mamba 1717 1650 ..what do you think for both high speed n dirt track…which pinion ⚙️ for both
That's a hell of a motor for the Typhon. With that motor you would be able to run pretty much any gearing you want with the light Typhon. At least the gearing you could fit with the motor mount. That being said, the 1717 could handle a lot more gearing in a Typhon. Your best bet is to experiment with what gearing works for your track. The highest gearing you can run doesn't mean it will make it good on your track. Run laps with each pinion and figure out your best average time for each pinion size. Either way, start with 2 teeth higher than your stock gear. Jump up two teeth for every 500 kv difference is ideal. So for example your stock pinion is a 16t and you are running the stock 2050 kv and you installed the Castle motor, you'd want to run a 20t pinion on the Castle motor to get approximately the same speed. 2050 - 1650 = 400.
@@SebastianLong thanks a lot
Is the higher the kv does that mean more hp?
Correct! And the lower kv the more torque 👍🏼
@@kgrc0078 so which is better cause i need a new motor
You can’t go wrong with R1. But for the same price you can get the new maclan DRK 💪🏼
@@kgrc0078 ok it’s gonna be for drag racing
Yep. R1 3.5 all out or the maclan DRK 👍🏼
Its gonna pull more amps when it has a load. More kv will pool more amps. That ruddog will not last its not smooth at all.
You get what you pay for 🤷🏻♂️
the motor wasn't setting correctly on the test stand. you can see it is almost falling off the right side
Can you use.this on a brush motor
These units are for brushless motors only bud.
Thank you!
Unfortunately, this testing doesn’t give any idea of the actual torque produced......so interesting results , but not really helpful or predictive......cool gadget.
It’s useful In a way that it tells when the motor is somewhat worn out cos it’s kv rating drops. I had an old 6100kv that only puts out 5800kv now.
R1 motors are just over priced rebranded surpass motors. You can get just as good of a motor for half the price in the rocket v5r or the hobbystar pro v3.
Say "RUDE DOG"