My fav car of all time. Almost bought an S1 E2 in 2005 for just over €200k. Had gotten redundancy and could have borrowed the rest. Passed it up, set up my own business and the great recession hit. Ah well, took a risk and it didn't work out. Still love the fact that I thought very seriously about buying one of these beasts 😁👍
Walther Rohrl is more than an alien being able to pushing this car at the limit, both in the WRC and in the Pikes Peak. Obviously IMHO and with all due respect 🙏
I remember heading with my friend (we were both doing Production Engineering at the Lanch) to watch Michelle Mouton thrash through the Dovey Forest at 3am !
@@19SAS That's not true . The first vehicle was the Audi Quattro Rally Group 4 (you can recognize it by the glued / riveted fender flares) with a cast steel engine block, then came the two Group B Quattros - Audi Quattro Rally A1 / A2. (the A stands for aluminum engine block)
@@Quattroowner yes and NO, the Grp4 Audi was drafted into group B, cast iron blocks, but was not a true group B. to qualify for group B and be in the same group as say the lancia 037 (when FISA) tightened up the rules they had to make the engine smaller to bring it under the max 3.0ltr (x1.4 factor rule) 2133 as apposed to 2144, so the first correct GrpB audi was the wide arched aluminium headed version with 2133 engine, the A1 2144 was not a true group B version as the rules dictated them
@@19SAS The Audi Quattro Rally A1 (2145 ccm, homologation number B-229) was homologated on January 1st, 1983. Group B started in 1982, so the Audi Quattro A1 is automatically a Group B vehicle. The reduction in displacement of the Audi Quattro A2 (2135 ccm homologation number B -243) was carried out in order to be able to drive in a different weight class. You know for sure that there were cubic capacity classes with a corresponding minimum weight - the smaller the cubic capacity, the lighter the car could be. There was no rule that a vehicle that had over 3000 cc Hubram was NOT a Group B vehicle. It just had to start with a higher minimum weight. The Audi Quattro A1 ALSO had an aluminum engine block. Overall, your statement is therefore wrong. There are no real or fake Group B vehicles. There are vehicles that meet the rules and were therefore allowed to start and there are those that did not meet the rules and were not allowed to start and were therefore not group B vehicles. How far a vehicle has used the regulations is another matter.
Hello Chris. You should know that those rally cars are not for kart tracks. They rather work better in the woods' straight roads where there is room to launch and drift the car to slow down. There you'll have room to reach the 7k rpm.
@@CARmagazineTV Yeah I got you there. Nevertheless, that Audi was definitely built for longer stretches. I bet that after some practice you would do some hard drifts in the right large curves.
Another trick: push the steering wheel with both hands on the curves. It helps to straighten your body in position. Also, support your body with your left foot well positioned at the left corner of the footrest. Your butt must be well caught in the seat like a baseball inside a baseball glove.
It looked bonkers but sadly didn’t stand a chance against the Lancia & Peugeot in the end. Audi actually withdrew completly halfway thru the ’86 season. Delta S4 clearly was the new king but Peugeot narrowly still won the points of the last B championship, after the infamous disqualification debacle. (Markku Alén & Lancia had the WRC title only for 1 day..)
To be fair to Audi they only planned to enter 6 events in 1986 and were already testing for the Acropolis rally in Greece in May before they decided to pull out of the rest of the season.
Yep, Audi started it all and will always be remembered for that. Audi went rallying to sell cars and the board said it would not deviate from that. If they had of done things would have been different, the mid engined car was already 1.5 seconds quicker per km running the same 550bhp 20v 5 cylinder as the E2. What they did do was explore other motorsport available avenues, show casing their current technology. They weren't bad either, Pikes Peak, Lemans, every touring car championship, Trans Am, IMSA with the crazy 90 and in 2 years F1. Moved with the times hence being one of the most successful manufacturers of all time.
A friend tried to buy the dual clutch PDK box for his hill climb sport quattro… after a lot of badgering Audi responded and told him he would have to by the company [Audi] if he wanted one!
Only 3 PDK gearboces were produced in total. One gearbox is missing and Michael Gerber owns the other two (he bought an S1 with PDK gearbox, plus a replacement gearbox). His car was converted to a normal gearbox because there are no spare parts for PDK ...
It really hurts when you see "yana" Rally, "hanumikla" "Stig Blankfest and" Walter Rawl "- later the same driver becomes" Walter Rohr ". You managed to withhold one name and all the others wrongly write, some even in 2 versions ... Also someone who sits in an Audi Quattro and constantly waits for the boost does not belong in the car, he is doing something fundamentally wrong whether someone was fast with an Audi Quattro - or was waiting for the boost. The car drives differently than a mid-engine naturally aspirated Metro, it was the art of the driver to deal with it properly.
@@paultaylor5502 Well, by chance I already have a lot of experience on this topic - others - probably not even YOU. Everything I wrote above is correct - you have written nothing but crap .Do you have anything to contribute to the topic or are you just here to make a stupid comment?
Trust us, Chris would have loved to have gone quicker. But regardless of who’s driving it, the car is unique and utterly priceless. It cannot be driven like it’s the 1980s again - by anyone.
@@CARmagazineTV David Llewellyn drove the exact car up the hill at Shelsley Walsh a few years ago and trust me he didnt hold back. But i also know it takes a very special driver to drive these things properly
Talking about boost lag is nonsensical in these cars, if you have lag you are in the wrong gear or got it all wrong… flat out with the revs in the top half of the rev counter all the time and left foot breaking meant the engine was on boost all the time, specially when fitted with PDK….it’s just not designed for daily driving, dawdling off idle in town or even half hearted (respectful) driving for the cameras. 🤷
With all due respect, have you ever driven an old high performance turbo car? The lag is mental, like truly monumental. They're like a light switch - either off boost or reving like a ba5tard when they do come on boost. They're temperamental feckers, and can blow out parts very easily if overreved. I loved stories of mansell and senna constantly stabbing and backing off the throttle under breaking when cornering the 80s turbo F1 cars to keep the boost pressure up and minimise lag. That's the level of driving brilliance needed to get the best out of these machines
@@animalcol1 simple answer is yes, from S1 Quattros to turbo single seater and most 80’s and 90’s turbo cars. They do keep in boost if you keep in high rev’s. F1 was difficult due to small engine size… 1500cc
@@animalcol1 It's just the art of NOT falling into turbo lag. It is the driver's ability to move the car right or wrong. The rally drivers back then had to learn that too - and it worked. You just have to know what you are doing. That was also one of the reasons why only a few could drive really fast with the S1 and S1 E2
No! NO!! You take that back!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Sorry dude, it's my favourite car of all time so I regress to early childhood when I hear my motoring spirit animal being dissed 👍😁
My fav car of all time.
Almost bought an S1 E2 in 2005 for just over €200k. Had gotten redundancy and could have borrowed the rest.
Passed it up, set up my own business and the great recession hit. Ah well, took a risk and it didn't work out.
Still love the fact that I thought very seriously about buying one of these beasts 😁👍
Dream job right there! Yes it's amazing, to be able to read pace notes while logging airtime.
Walther Rohrl is more than an alien being able to pushing this car at the limit, both in the WRC and in the Pikes Peak. Obviously IMHO and with all due respect 🙏
I remember heading with my friend (we were both doing Production Engineering at the Lanch) to watch Michelle Mouton thrash through the Dovey Forest at 3am !
The turbo waste gate noise is lovely.
Amazing timing. I was filming a Metro 6R4 today
The sport quattro is my favourite Group B car. The quattro was still running in Group A until the sport quattro arrived.
not quite, first one A1 ran in group 4, the A2 LWB was in group b
@@19SAS Thank you!
@@19SAS That's not true . The first vehicle was the Audi Quattro Rally Group 4 (you can recognize it by the glued / riveted fender flares) with a cast steel engine block, then came the two Group B Quattros - Audi Quattro Rally A1 / A2. (the A stands for aluminum engine block)
@@Quattroowner yes and NO, the Grp4 Audi was drafted into group B, cast iron blocks, but was not a true group B. to qualify for group B and be in the same group as say the lancia 037 (when FISA) tightened up the rules they had to make the engine smaller to bring it under the max 3.0ltr (x1.4 factor rule) 2133 as apposed to 2144, so the first correct GrpB audi was the wide arched aluminium headed version with 2133 engine, the A1 2144 was not a true group B version as the rules dictated them
@@19SAS The Audi Quattro Rally A1 (2145 ccm, homologation number B-229) was homologated on January 1st, 1983. Group B started in 1982, so the Audi Quattro A1 is automatically a Group B vehicle. The reduction in displacement of the Audi Quattro A2 (2135 ccm homologation number B -243) was carried out in order to be able to drive in a different weight class. You know for sure that there were cubic capacity classes with a corresponding minimum weight - the smaller the cubic capacity, the lighter the car could be. There was no rule that a vehicle that had over 3000 cc Hubram was NOT a Group B vehicle. It just had to start with a higher minimum weight. The Audi Quattro A1 ALSO had an aluminum engine block. Overall, your statement is therefore wrong. There are no real or fake Group B vehicles. There are vehicles that meet the rules and were therefore allowed to start and there are those that did not meet the rules and were not allowed to start and were therefore not group B vehicles. How far a vehicle has used the regulations is another matter.
Hello Chris. You should know that those rally cars are not for kart tracks. They rather work better in the woods' straight roads where there is room to launch and drift the car to slow down. There you'll have room to reach the 7k rpm.
Trouble with the woods is that they often have very hard, immovable objects such as trees in them. We’d rather not take the risk 😉
@@CARmagazineTV Yeah I got you there. Nevertheless, that Audi was definitely built for longer stretches. I bet that after some practice you would do some hard drifts in the right large curves.
AWesome video, thanks for sharing with us
Thanks Mike!
Another trick: push the steering wheel with both hands on the curves. It helps to straighten your body in position. Also, support your body with your left foot well positioned at the left corner of the footrest. Your butt must be well caught in the seat like a baseball inside a baseball glove.
It looked bonkers but sadly didn’t stand a chance against the Lancia & Peugeot in the end. Audi actually withdrew completly halfway thru the ’86 season. Delta S4 clearly was the new king but Peugeot narrowly still won the points of the last B championship, after the infamous disqualification debacle. (Markku Alén & Lancia had the WRC title only for 1 day..)
There's always the Lancia guys gotta post"we wuz better!! ". 😂😂Where is Lancia now? 🤣
To be fair to Audi they only planned to enter 6 events in 1986 and were already testing for the Acropolis rally in Greece in May before they decided to pull out of the rest of the season.
@@pistonburner6448 LOL. so you're an Audi hater. How old are you? 12? Because that's about the level of your rant.
Yep, Audi started it all and will always be remembered for that. Audi went rallying to sell cars and the board said it would not deviate from that. If they had of done things would have been different, the mid engined car was already 1.5 seconds quicker per km running the same 550bhp 20v 5 cylinder as the E2. What they did do was explore other motorsport available avenues, show casing their current technology. They weren't bad either, Pikes Peak, Lemans, every touring car championship, Trans Am, IMSA with the crazy 90 and in 2 years F1. Moved with the times hence being one of the most successful manufacturers of all time.
Such nice cars! So tough looking
Big like
Best 1985 audi
A friend tried to buy the dual clutch PDK box for his hill climb sport quattro… after a lot of badgering Audi responded and told him he would have to by the company [Audi] if he wanted one!
Mr Tom Hammonds, remember him telling us at DSM
Only 3 PDK gearboces were produced in total. One gearbox is missing and Michael Gerber owns the other two (he bought an S1 with PDK gearbox, plus a replacement gearbox). His car was converted to a normal gearbox because there are no spare parts for PDK ...
It really hurts when you see "yana" Rally, "hanumikla" "Stig Blankfest and" Walter Rawl "- later the same driver becomes" Walter Rohr ". You managed to withhold one name and all the others wrongly write, some even in 2 versions ... Also someone who sits in an Audi Quattro and constantly waits for the boost does not belong in the car, he is doing something fundamentally wrong whether someone was fast with an Audi Quattro - or was waiting for the boost. The car drives differently than a mid-engine naturally aspirated Metro, it was the art of the driver to deal with it properly.
Are you still spouting nonsense, jeez, i remember your constant comments from years back like your some sort of expert.
@@paultaylor5502 Well, by chance I already have a lot of experience on this topic - others - probably not even YOU. Everything I wrote above is correct - you have written nothing but crap .Do you have anything to contribute to the topic or are you just here to make a stupid comment?
when turbo lag was very loud and whooshy, and drivers had huge balls - even the women
You can hear a turbo lag- respect . So you hare the sound of silence .........
It may not have been the best rally car of all time, but just listen to it….
Nice visuals but you cant drive a s1 like that. Should of got David llewellyn or an ex audi driver to show him what its really like to be in a s1
Trust us, Chris would have loved to have gone quicker. But regardless of who’s driving it, the car is unique and utterly priceless. It cannot be driven like it’s the 1980s again - by anyone.
@@CARmagazineTV David Llewellyn drove the exact car up the hill at Shelsley Walsh a few years ago and trust me he didnt hold back. But i also know it takes a very special driver to drive these things properly
@@CARmagazineTV I’m ok with the driving. Nice film of amazing car.
Can´t trust the argument the tyres are 30yrs old. No one ever would allow this...
I presume he meant that the DESIGN was 30 year old...
Talking about boost lag is nonsensical in these cars, if you have lag you are in the wrong gear or got it all wrong… flat out with the revs in the top half of the rev counter all the time and left foot breaking meant the engine was on boost all the time, specially when fitted with PDK….it’s just not designed for daily driving, dawdling off idle in town or even half hearted (respectful) driving for the cameras. 🤷
With all due respect, have you ever driven an old high performance turbo car?
The lag is mental, like truly monumental. They're like a light switch - either off boost or reving like a ba5tard when they do come on boost. They're temperamental feckers, and can blow out parts very easily if overreved.
I loved stories of mansell and senna constantly stabbing and backing off the throttle under breaking when cornering the 80s turbo F1 cars to keep the boost pressure up and minimise lag. That's the level of driving brilliance needed to get the best out of these machines
@@animalcol1 simple answer is yes, from S1 Quattros to turbo single seater and most 80’s and 90’s turbo cars. They do keep in boost if you keep in high rev’s. F1 was difficult due to small engine size… 1500cc
@@animalcol1 It's just the art of NOT falling into turbo lag. It is the driver's ability to move the car right or wrong. The rally drivers back then had to learn that too - and it worked. You just have to know what you are doing. That was also one of the reasons why only a few could drive really fast with the S1 and S1 E2
It's designed to kill you unless you are the perfect driver
Good way of summing it up!
Looks a silly Noddy car.
No! NO!! You take that back!!!!
🤣🤣🤣 Sorry dude, it's my favourite car of all time so I regress to early childhood when I hear my motoring spirit animal being dissed 👍😁
@@animalcol1 Those are the words of an idiot who just has to say something because he has no idea about any of this. Do not take it too serious ...