Ah, I had a note to add in the thing about deputy. I’m gonna pin ya in case other people ask about it! Tldr, the community doesn’t have a term for “roles that can have their name displayed next to them” yet. I said TPow because 2/3 of the townies that can do this (pros, mayor, dep) are tpow. I had a note to add the little asterisk in about deputy technically being tk, but I must have forgotten haha.
@@AdagiaTechnically you could also do this with a Jailor if the existence of a Jailor can be confirmed. Just like in ToS 1 CCing a Jailor does not end well for the liar generally speaking and Jailors will be protected and followed through on votes anyways.
Ah, perfect timing. (Story time) Just today, I was in a Ranked Practice game and claimed Tpow. I whispered the other Tpow claims that I was Prosecutor and asked what they were. One claimed Mayor, another said "you'll see tonight" and the third didn't respond. I got knighted that night, and the Monarch revealed themselves to me. We managed to hang an Investigator who didn't post until they were upped... yeah. The night was uneventful, but the next day starts and the Mayor claim is knighted. They immediately get shot by a Deputy and are revealed to be a Jester. We hang the Voodoo Master on suspicion of taking too much claim space. That night, I die to the Witch. My role is revealed to the town as... Jester. Yup, of all the targets the Monarch had, they knighted two Jesters. We both laughed it up in dead chat.
I think that for "Who to Knight," alongside townies with a kill, I would put "People who have been unmistakably confirmed town by other means." For example, suppose a Seer finds that 1 and 4 are friends, and then 4 dies and flips town, and then the Seer dies and is confirmed Seer. Barring some deeply rare shenanigans (such as if the Seer was coven who then disconnected and was Enchanted to flip Seer for their DC death), 1 is now as confirmed as any TPow. Ditto for Admirers who have proposed to confirmed TPows. These people aren't quite as confirmed as revealed people are (if nothing else, there's a possibility that the Monarch isn't reading the logs correctly), but I think they're more trustworthy than TIs that found coven (which could be PB/Arso who was visited, WW, coven bussing, or Doomsayers paying attention).
Monarch is the type of role where RK (Random Knighting) N1, 90% they're evil. 80% of people who are Monarch and try to knight AFTER N1, still hit evil. I dunno what it is, but in my experience, Mon's rarely knights townies. They always manage to find evils and it's infuriating.
I've found counter claiming an evil who also claims mon very difficult. Especially if the people you knight die when you knight them. I won a game because the shroud kept shrouding the monarch claim, so no one ever believed that the mon was real. Or when the mon knights people the same day they die to coven. Tbh I think mon needs a slight balance rework only to make themselves easier to confirm against a evil counter claiming as all the other tpows are stupid easy to confirm themselves. Mayor and pros can just do their thing, and jailor will have a track of people they jailed, and can exe any jailor CC. Mon can't really do shit if a coven keep claiming they are the real Mon.
I remember when (as a vet) I saw someone claim monarch D1, I was (as bait) "No, I am Monarch", alerted and... Killed the actual monarch (which was in fact the claim) because they decided knighting a obviously fake cc was a good idea (They were the only one that visited me and put me in their will so I was confirmed. Next two night I had a crus on me so I didn't alert (that actually killed somebody N2 by doing so). N4 I want to alert but tav rbd me, and I... Actually killed last coven with my second alert on N5 (and then we vote out arso because I defended the crus)
One trick I feel like you should've mentioned is knighting a vet. If you pull it off without dying (normally, a vet who just killed won't alert again immediately) and there's no ritualist, you're suddenly *very* hard to kill.
seems like potential for a risky strategy: ask the vet to alert, then ask a cleric claim to heal you, and finally knight the vet. if you survive, the cleric is real (or a PM)
I remembered I was in a custom TT game with 5 TPOW slots. We got cleric. Apparently clerics are guaranteed in TT? I'm not sure. But hey, new TPOW is Cleric.
how did you get 5 tpow slots??? there's only 4 tpow in the game and you can't go over the limit using buckets if the entire bucket is unique, im asumming that the list was bugged/modded and when the game can't fill a slot, it just defaults to cleric.
When we get to "Coroner in 3 minutes", you gotta at least mention the potential of Coroner bait. Sure, it works better in TT than ranked, for TT has a confirmed ck slot for rit and conj, but if you're in ranked and need a way to distract the ww, then just bait them into you and save the jailor.
“Town wouldn’t want to guilty a Town Power claim on the stand” - Adagia Have you been in ranked? Tpow claims get lynched d3 when I speak up and say “Don’t lynch Tpow claims” let them prove and then Town proceeds to guilty to low and behold they were real.
ok issue, i've won more games knighting n1 and then saving my next knight for lategame, if an evil is knighted, TI usually find them pretty fast, so i really use that tactic, imo when i save knights for n2-3-4 i'm dead by that point, either voted up or just killed by many of the neutrals or coven
There are exceptions to knighting on Night 1. Sometimes you want the defense and sometimes that day 1 chat is trust worthy. Although I don't normally knight night 1, I will see a claim day 1 that I think it is worth knighting night 1 just so I can have that juicy basic defense night 2.
Dude, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at with these comments on multiple videos, but as someone who has played with Pipe for years, is friends with the regulars in his videos, and sees the recordings happen in real time via discord, I can assure you that they’re all real. A lot of what you’re seeing is survivorship bias. People have no reason to upload the videos where they get caught out early on or die night 1, so you only ever see the games where things work out. For every game that gets posted, there’s about 3 that never see the light of day.
Suure and it's a total coincidence they always 'error' in his favor and never catch him out on his frequent weak claims what's the next the Dream excuse of hiring a scientist to try to disprove the odds lol but this was not a jab at Pipe and his simps this was a jab at the devs that cant seem to decide if they want it to be a streaming game like jackbox or a social deduction game like blood on the among us etc that if they are removing the anonymous then they need to fix the throwing roles so it its actually fair to nonstreamers or keep anonymous mode and remove the throwers and cheats as when you enter a match and there's chunks of the lobby clearly in cahoots in either a discord channel or alternative voice channel it's kinda killing the game and yes i am a lil hard on Pipe but when he has openly cheated in voice chats with other players (and the statistically impossible odds that so many in a single match would 'error' that much) but he does work as an example to the devs and other players for what is going wrong in tos2 and what needs to change if they want tos to not die out
Thank you, Adagia, for tutorializing the role «Monarch» in the new smash-hit game «Town of Salem 2»! Definitely not an attention-grabbing comment. _Yeah, just ignore it._
Adagia, make a Bloxston Mystery review video (Town of Salem but Roblox). It's a game PipeTron have played before and the game is kinda funny, there's still some broken roles and a few features that doesn't make sense at all though (Blackmailer is Mafia Deception in this game...)
Is knighting n1 really objectively a bad strategy? The two points you made a the beginning of the video can be easily mitigated. First you don’t have to claim as monarch d2 if you knight n1. Doing so is counterproductive because of guessing roles. Instead not claiming or even fake claiming could allow you to eat an attack with your defense to keep towns numbers up (you can sort of bait in a way to get this to happen) You’ll also be able to confirm yourself with 2 words whenever needed. For the second point randomly knighting n1 statistically will hit town more than it will hit evils and even if it does hit evils the power of 1 extra vote is less powerful the earlier in the game it is. (you also should start with the knighted person in vfa in this case) This in addition to an easy confirm on hand PLUS the possibility of eating an attack with a bait PLUS the low chance of the d2 knight not having an impact till the very end of the game (and keep in mind at this point you’ve probably knighted a confirmed townie alongside your first knight) makes knighting n1 sound like a valid strategy in some gamemodes. I definitely see the flaws but writing it off so quickly just seems so wrong to me when there’s definitely more to it then something like “new player want live longer” edit: another point i completely forgot to make is knighting n1 isn’t necessarily the same as random knighting. you could knight a tpow claim that asks for to/lo edit 2: I wanna specify most of the community disagrees with this thought and I understand that must mean im missing something. Im very open to being wrong and would love if someone could explain/dispute these points
"For the second point randomly knighting n1 statistically will hit town more than it will hit evils " in all any it's 60% to hit a townie... you can basically treat it as a coin toss. Its worse than getting a kill as a pirate
@@michasokoowski6651 60% is more than a coin toss and realize this is only one point. My point isnt "knighting N1 is good because most of the time youll hit a townie" Its "Knighting N1s downfall is knighting an evil but knighting an evil doesnt actually hurt that much for these reasons. Also you will knght a town more than you will knight an evil" Also 60% doesnt tell the full story. A jester being knighted N1 just isnt going to have the potential to swing the game the same way a team of coven having a knight is. Its true you are going to knight evils a lot. However my point isn't against that fact.
@@superl8296 yea, i understand, but please, don't throw things like "well, statistically" without doing a proper analysis behind it. Also, yes 60% is more than a coin toss, but its basically the same on a smaller scale
@@michasokoowski6651 I mean i did do the proper analysis behind it. I didnt specify the exact math in my original comment because the "proper analysis" of determining the chance of knighting an evil is taking the number of evils and dividing it by the number of players minus 1. There just was no point in adding that. Is it the word statistically thats wrong? What other word was I supposed to use?? Its also not like I made this opinion on the spot theres more detail to my thoughts then what I wrote on a youtube comment but neither were relevant to the two points that were made in the video. Also this is a one off sentence from my original comment and is the smallest point of what i was saying. (this genuinely isnt supposed to be mean or come off as rude I am sorry if it comes off that way)
@@superl8296 The one you are talking about is a per game ratio. I did also a simple version of average chance including randomness of all any. It gets way more complicated if you also include n1 deaths, since then won't technically knight anyone n1. And to other points, i just don't bother with them since they vary too much. Like knighted jester can still mess your game a lot, depending on how he plays and coven with 5 votes can truly steamroll the game in comparison.
Monarch is a really bad role for town, not only if you Knight a coven you will get them much closer to majority you will also make that coven seem more trustworthy. That extra vote is MASSIVE it gives coven majority in a naturally 5v4 to a 5v5.
2:03
Confirmed town powers -
Shows deputy icon.
It’s confirmed deputy is now town power!
Ah, I had a note to add in the thing about deputy. I’m gonna pin ya in case other people ask about it!
Tldr, the community doesn’t have a term for “roles that can have their name displayed next to them” yet. I said TPow because 2/3 of the townies that can do this (pros, mayor, dep) are tpow. I had a note to add the little asterisk in about deputy technically being tk, but I must have forgotten haha.
Amazing video btw. These guides are super helpful if I wanna try teach new players lol
@@Adagia Deputy basically feels like a town power anyways. It pretty much just outclasses Pros
@@AdagiaTechnically you could also do this with a Jailor if the existence of a Jailor can be confirmed. Just like in ToS 1 CCing a Jailor does not end well for the liar generally speaking and Jailors will be protected and followed through on votes anyways.
@@Adagia As someone yet to launch ToS2, might I propose Reveals?
*Monarch knighting N1* : Yummy Basic Defense
Also the taped on crown is funny as hell
2:48 very poor choice of silhouettes there haha
Witch can simply force the monarch to knight the person you asked huehuehue
Thats true
Ah, perfect timing. (Story time)
Just today, I was in a Ranked Practice game and claimed Tpow. I whispered the other Tpow claims that I was Prosecutor and asked what they were. One claimed Mayor, another said "you'll see tonight" and the third didn't respond. I got knighted that night, and the Monarch revealed themselves to me. We managed to hang an Investigator who didn't post until they were upped... yeah.
The night was uneventful, but the next day starts and the Mayor claim is knighted. They immediately get shot by a Deputy and are revealed to be a Jester. We hang the Voodoo Master on suspicion of taking too much claim space. That night, I die to the Witch. My role is revealed to the town as... Jester.
Yup, of all the targets the Monarch had, they knighted two Jesters. We both laughed it up in dead chat.
Monarch knighted the circus
The Witch, Necromancer, Ritu and Enchanter on their way to screw Monarch up by knigthing the Pestilence:
“I think I will knight the plaguebearer night 1”
That's stupid as heck, knight the executioner
“I think I will knight the soul collector night 2”
I think that for "Who to Knight," alongside townies with a kill, I would put "People who have been unmistakably confirmed town by other means." For example, suppose a Seer finds that 1 and 4 are friends, and then 4 dies and flips town, and then the Seer dies and is confirmed Seer. Barring some deeply rare shenanigans (such as if the Seer was coven who then disconnected and was Enchanted to flip Seer for their DC death), 1 is now as confirmed as any TPow. Ditto for Admirers who have proposed to confirmed TPows. These people aren't quite as confirmed as revealed people are (if nothing else, there's a possibility that the Monarch isn't reading the logs correctly), but I think they're more trustworthy than TIs that found coven (which could be PB/Arso who was visited, WW, coven bussing, or Doomsayers paying attention).
Monarch is the type of role where RK (Random Knighting) N1, 90% they're evil.
80% of people who are Monarch and try to knight AFTER N1, still hit evil.
I dunno what it is, but in my experience, Mon's rarely knights townies. They always manage to find evils and it's infuriating.
Monarch best TI
this is ironic now since monarch has a silhouette now
funnily enough Monarch now has a silhouette
Also remember to coordinate with the Crusader, making sure that a non-Crus TP is protecting your knight target.
Remember to knight the jester as it is the best ti in the game!
1:02 Ah yes, Deputy, my favourite Town Power (even though it actually is just better Pros lmao).
Thank you aidga for a 3 MINUTE MONARCH GUIDE as the TH-camR role...
I played monarch first time. Lets just say those tips helped a ton (Knighted 2 people claiming TI and turns out they were real)
There's no silhouette for monarch... Next update: adds new Monarch silhouette
I've found counter claiming an evil who also claims mon very difficult. Especially if the people you knight die when you knight them. I won a game because the shroud kept shrouding the monarch claim, so no one ever believed that the mon was real. Or when the mon knights people the same day they die to coven. Tbh I think mon needs a slight balance rework only to make themselves easier to confirm against a evil counter claiming as all the other tpows are stupid easy to confirm themselves. Mayor and pros can just do their thing, and jailor will have a track of people they jailed, and can exe any jailor CC. Mon can't really do shit if a coven keep claiming they are the real Mon.
seeing the monarch crown taped onto the default silhouette reminded me of paper mario sticker star
I remember when (as a vet) I saw someone claim monarch D1, I was (as bait) "No, I am Monarch", alerted and... Killed the actual monarch (which was in fact the claim) because they decided knighting a obviously fake cc was a good idea
(They were the only one that visited me and put me in their will so I was confirmed. Next two night I had a crus on me so I didn't alert (that actually killed somebody N2 by doing so). N4 I want to alert but tav rbd me, and I... Actually killed last coven with my second alert on N5 (and then we vote out arso because I defended the crus)
One trick I feel like you should've mentioned is knighting a vet. If you pull it off without dying (normally, a vet who just killed won't alert again immediately) and there's no ritualist, you're suddenly *very* hard to kill.
seems like potential for a risky strategy: ask the vet to alert, then ask a cleric claim to heal you, and finally knight the vet. if you survive, the cleric is real (or a PM)
PM can only heal coven
I HEARD YOU
RANDOM KNIGHT NIGHT 1!
1:02 will die to rit or doom/lack of TP/exe torment or jester haunt
I remembered I was in a custom TT game with 5 TPOW slots. We got cleric. Apparently clerics are guaranteed in TT? I'm not sure. But hey, new TPOW is Cleric.
how did you get 5 tpow slots??? there's only 4 tpow in the game and you can't go over the limit using buckets if the entire bucket is unique, im asumming that the list was bugged/modded and when the game can't fill a slot, it just defaults to cleric.
@@general.catallion_8054 amne turned into tpow I suppose
Here they go knighting on n1 and 2 the WW and Coven leader!
When we get to "Coroner in 3 minutes", you gotta at least mention the potential of Coroner bait.
Sure, it works better in TT than ranked, for TT has a confirmed ck slot for rit and conj, but if you're in ranked and need a way to distract the ww, then just bait them into you and save the jailor.
At this point I almost hope they don't buff Coroner, playing reverse Jester is too much fun.
“Town wouldn’t want to guilty a Town Power claim on the stand” - Adagia
Have you been in ranked? Tpow claims get lynched d3 when I speak up and say “Don’t lynch Tpow claims” let them prove and then Town proceeds to guilty to low and behold they were real.
Claiming monarch D2 as a veteran/TI is good as it can bait Rit to guessing incorrectly.
ok issue, i've won more games knighting n1 and then saving my next knight for lategame, if an evil is knighted, TI usually find them pretty fast, so i really use that tactic, imo when i save knights for n2-3-4 i'm dead by that point, either voted up or just killed by many of the neutrals or coven
I swear, Monarch always knight evil roles in N1, next time I get deputy and someone is knighted N1, he will die starting d2
How to play Monarch:
1. Do not knight N1
2. Trust nobody, no knight again
3. Die
There are exceptions to knighting on Night 1. Sometimes you want the defense and sometimes that day 1 chat is trust worthy. Although I don't normally knight night 1, I will see a claim day 1 that I think it is worth knighting night 1 just so I can have that juicy basic defense night 2.
Monarchs trying not to knight evils on N1- Challenge impossible
at this point they should just change monarch to be incapable of knighting N1. it would honestly be a buff
I am still going to knight n1, nothing will change my ways
What if i saw someone get visited by coven? Can i knight the trapper then?
Instructions unclear, random picking my target n1
Common Curtis L
Clearly knighting the confirmed veteran that just got a kill is the best play. They won't alert two nights in a row, right?
Trapper crying he isnt included as a townie with a kill D:
Who to knight: the streamer/youtuber you are assisting in making fake matches with despite them clearly being apoc or coven
And for those unaware yes this is a jab at what tos2 has become due to poor choices by the devs
Dude, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at with these comments on multiple videos, but as someone who has played with Pipe for years, is friends with the regulars in his videos, and sees the recordings happen in real time via discord, I can assure you that they’re all real. A lot of what you’re seeing is survivorship bias. People have no reason to upload the videos where they get caught out early on or die night 1, so you only ever see the games where things work out. For every game that gets posted, there’s about 3 that never see the light of day.
Suure and it's a total coincidence they always 'error' in his favor and never catch him out on his frequent weak claims what's the next the Dream excuse of hiring a scientist to try to disprove the odds lol but this was not a jab at Pipe and his simps this was a jab at the devs that cant seem to decide if they want it to be a streaming game like jackbox or a social deduction game like blood on the among us etc that if they are removing the anonymous then they need to fix the throwing roles so it its actually fair to nonstreamers or keep anonymous mode and remove the throwers and cheats as when you enter a match and there's chunks of the lobby clearly in cahoots in either a discord channel or alternative voice channel it's kinda killing the game and yes i am a lil hard on Pipe but when he has openly cheated in voice chats with other players (and the statistically impossible odds that so many in a single match would 'error' that much) but he does work as an example to the devs and other players for what is going wrong in tos2 and what needs to change if they want tos to not die out
Knighting the d1 tpow claims tend to work in my experience
repeate after me. DO NOT KNIGHT N1!!!! thank you and have a good day
Wouldn’t it be funny if they released a monarch silhouette right after this video is uploaded?
…..F
Thank you, Adagia, for tutorializing the role «Monarch» in the new smash-hit game «Town of Salem 2»!
Definitely not an attention-grabbing comment.
_Yeah, just ignore it._
Adagia, make a Bloxston Mystery review video (Town of Salem but Roblox). It's a game PipeTron have played before and the game is kinda funny, there's still some broken roles and a few features that doesn't make sense at all though (Blackmailer is Mafia Deception in this game...)
Mon claim d1, random knighting n1!!! (I knighted conj and they nuked me)
Is knighting n1 really objectively a bad strategy? The two points you made a the beginning of the video can be easily mitigated. First you don’t have to claim as monarch d2 if you knight n1. Doing so is counterproductive because of guessing roles. Instead not claiming or even fake claiming could allow you to eat an attack with your defense to keep towns numbers up (you can sort of bait in a way to get this to happen) You’ll also be able to confirm yourself with 2 words whenever needed. For the second point randomly knighting n1 statistically will hit town more than it will hit evils and even if it does hit evils the power of 1 extra vote is less powerful the earlier in the game it is. (you also should start with the knighted person in vfa in this case) This in addition to an easy confirm on hand PLUS the possibility of eating an attack with a bait PLUS the low chance of the d2 knight not having an impact till the very end of the game (and keep in mind at this point you’ve probably knighted a confirmed townie alongside your first knight) makes knighting n1 sound like a valid strategy in some gamemodes. I definitely see the flaws but writing it off so quickly just seems so wrong to me when there’s definitely more to it then something like “new player want live longer”
edit: another point i completely forgot to make is knighting n1 isn’t necessarily the same as random knighting. you could knight a tpow claim that asks for to/lo
edit 2: I wanna specify most of the community disagrees with this thought and I understand that must mean im missing something. Im very open to being wrong and would love if someone could explain/dispute these points
"For the second point randomly knighting n1 statistically will hit town more than it will hit evils "
in all any it's 60% to hit a townie... you can basically treat it as a coin toss.
Its worse than getting a kill as a pirate
@@michasokoowski6651 60% is more than a coin toss and realize this is only one point. My point isnt "knighting N1 is good because most of the time youll hit a townie" Its "Knighting N1s downfall is knighting an evil but knighting an evil doesnt actually hurt that much for these reasons. Also you will knght a town more than you will knight an evil" Also 60% doesnt tell the full story. A jester being knighted N1 just isnt going to have the potential to swing the game the same way a team of coven having a knight is. Its true you are going to knight evils a lot. However my point isn't against that fact.
@@superl8296 yea, i understand, but please, don't throw things like "well, statistically" without doing a proper analysis behind it.
Also, yes 60% is more than a coin toss, but its basically the same on a smaller scale
@@michasokoowski6651 I mean i did do the proper analysis behind it. I didnt specify the exact math in my original comment because the "proper analysis" of determining the chance of knighting an evil is taking the number of evils and dividing it by the number of players minus 1. There just was no point in adding that. Is it the word statistically thats wrong? What other word was I supposed to use?? Its also not like I made this opinion on the spot theres more detail to my thoughts then what I wrote on a youtube comment but neither were relevant to the two points that were made in the video. Also this is a one off sentence from my original comment and is the smallest point of what i was saying.
(this genuinely isnt supposed to be mean or come off as rude I am sorry if it comes off that way)
@@superl8296 The one you are talking about is a per game ratio.
I did also a simple version of average chance including randomness of all any.
It gets way more complicated if you also include n1 deaths, since then won't technically knight anyone n1.
And to other points, i just don't bother with them since they vary too much.
Like knighted jester can still mess your game a lot, depending on how he plays and coven with 5 votes can truly steamroll the game in comparison.
BMG should just automatically make monarch not knight n1
Monarch is a really bad role for town, not only if you Knight a coven you will get them much closer to majority you will also make that coven seem more trustworthy. That extra vote is MASSIVE it gives coven majority in a naturally 5v4 to a 5v5.
Please dear god stop knighting night 1 I'm begging you please
Deputy isnt tpow why does nobodyknow this