3 Teams In On Jakob Markstrom! High Asking Price Revealed for The NJ Devils, Leafs & Senators!
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- NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman Revealed on a recent podcast the 3 Teams In On Calgary Flames Jakob Markstrom These Teams are the New Jersey Devils, the Toronto Maple Leafs & the Ottawa Senators. Along with the teams an asking price was recently shared and its for a first round pick and a good prospect.
In this video I go over the teams, the asking price being too high or just about right, and if this is setting up to be a bigger trade between the NJ Devils & the Calgary flames.
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I hope the Devils are out. They better not give anything close to the price they are asking. Markstrom isn't even worth giving up 10th overall pick. No thank you!
If Cory Schneider was worth 9th overall in 2013, Jakob Markstrom is definitely worth 10th overall.
@jasonkh4 The big difference is their age, so I don't agree with your statement.
@@jeffc.4828 so it might take another piece or two to get a deal done. But there is a deal to be had. There already was.
@@jeffc.4828 I’m not suggesting those will be the only two pieces, but there is definitely the basis for a trade there. Something like Marky + VGK 3rd + NJ 4th for 10th overall + Holtz
@@jeffc.4828 I’m not suggesting that those would be the only two pieces involved, but there is definitely the basis for a trade there.
CGY is attempting to drive up the price on a player with a full NMC. Said player is also 34. They're not getting 7th OA or 10th OA from OTT/NJ without retention or another asset being involved. I feel like they're intentionally over asking in the hopes of "settling" on a return of a top 10 pick. They can keep their pissed off goalie for that price.
Exactly Jeff, I totally agree. Theyre trying to drive up the return bc the goalie demand around the league is high, but no one will overpay for a 34 year old
I don’t think anybody doubts that there could be retention or other assets involved. The Flames will get their top-10 pick for him regardless.
Well, there's been at least a few Flames fans I've interacted with that have felt it should be 10th straight up or even 10th+ for Markstrom. Glad that's not a prevailing thought from your experience. @@jasonkh4
Guess not. Probably looking at 16-25 next year along with Bahl. @@jasonkh4
Hey Fitzy, please don't give up too much for a 35 year old. I'd rather Fitzy sign a free agent or stick with the Jake Allen/ Kappo Kahkonen
I am all for this as an option. Reinforce the defense, add some physical wingers and barring injury, NJ will be back in the playoff hunt.
FITZ sucks
Keeping totally washed Allen is a terrible decision. Only made because Brodeur is his old golfing buddy from St. Louis.
Allen absolutely BLOWS.
Fitzgerald sucks at acquiring legitimate NHL goaltending.
KK looked great during his play in jersey. Although a small sample size. He played for a horrendous sharks team before. He deserves a real shot.
That is NOT a winning tandem at all. I'll be ok with Allen as the backup. I would be ok with Markstrom but not for a 10th pick. That said I would give the 10th pick for Ullmark. Ullmark is the goalie I want to see in net next year
The next few weeks should be interesting if there is any movement, leading up to the draft.
There should be a couple of good moves coming before the draft
I hope were out, think there's any chance we go after a goalie who isn't almost 30?
I know right, I agree, but then again if its for the right price I wouldnt mind Markstrom. Definitely an upgrade if he can play like he has been
Devils really need a goalie like markstrom if they want to compete for lord stanley They are ready to compete for the stanley cup they needed a goalie
They do, I agree, but if the deal isn't a fair one for both sides theyll move onto other options
What’s the talk in Carolina? They should be looking for a goalie but don’t hear of them in the mix
They were one of the teams that was talked about with Markstrom, but since then nothing. Im sure they'll add something The Hurricanes don't have to add much just tinker with their lineup, more of the talk with them is with Necas trade rumors, and Slavin extension being in the works
Kahkonnen was damn good in MINN…I am not against running him at a bargain, keeping that 10th OA, and bolstering the D…
I like the idea Anson. He had some really good numbers with us, but I feel like Fitzgerald make sign him to like a 1 year 2 way deal to keep him as security, but if the team underperforms next season its Fitzys ass, so im sure hell bring in a better name
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWN I completely agree with your assessment
Yeah, our worst case scenario is drafting a great kid at 10 at signing Kahk or someone else. Although that's not what we want, it's also hardly a doomsday failure (as long as the defense gets reinforced via trades/UFA they should be a playoff team. They'll still need to figure out the goalie position long-term no matter what happens at this point anyway). I agree with you.
Ottawa should throw Lassi Thompson and a Second if they can dump the Korpisalo contract which is going to be hard unless they do a buyout
Lassi is back in Europe...doubt he's coming back as he just left
I don't think Markstrom is the #1 we need and he's had 15 + NHL seasons already. That's a lot of wear and tear as you mentioned. As a #2 yeah but not at an inflated price and definately not for the 1 draft pick we took a severe beating to get. Coleman would be great - scored 30 last year and a +19 but I don't think we need offensive help. We need one of the top goalies in the league and 1 or 2 experienced shut down defensemen.
Getting 2 defenseman would definitely be an upgrade. Our D was horrible this past year. Curious to see what Fitzgerald does and what he adds
I agree he's not going to fetch a #10 pick or equivalent. Two years left before likely retiring and one the highest cap hits of any goalie in the league. We don't know if the Flames are secretly considering taking down instead of a 1-2 year retool.
I agree David, could be a huge gamble, but he checked out mentally but still finished this year playing for the Flames. Im sure the Devils will have team doctors will be looking at Markstrom, but then again where was that with Crawford & Bernier lol
Markstrom won't go to Ottawa. It is quite possible that they are not making rhe playoffs either year and Markstrom wants to win now.
Markstrom to me, is not worth the 10th pick straight up. In 2013, Schneider was younger, and his GAA & SV% were very good, the last two yrs. in Vancouver (regardless he was a backup transitioning into a starter). Swayman is probably the only goalie worth trading the 10th straight up, but Boston is probably going to get him to sign long term. Anyone else is probably a package deal between both sides of a trade. If we get Markstrom, I would like Coleman, Andersson, or Weegar (most likely not tradeable atm) in a package deal along with him. I looked at other goalies over the last couple of months. Ullmark (BOS) - would be good for the reg. season, but his playoff numbers have not been great. Hill/Thompson (VGK) - though won a cup & Vegas has perhaps a cap-crunch situation, neither have played around 50-55 games in a season (I see a goalie playing 2/3 of the season as being one of the best). Gustavsson (MIN) would be interesting, but again see Hill & Thompson from above. Saros would be the safest, though his win total in postseason play is under .500, but has better SV% & GAA compared to Ullmark. No matter how you slice it, the goalie can only do so much, and the defense needs to have higher numbers in hits and blocked shots next season, in order to go far in the postseason.
I agree 100% we need to bring in better D this year and we need a better goalie tandem as well, but D definitely needs to be better. Too many times our D was making mistakes and costing us goals and we couldn't recover from and cost us wins. Doing a follow up video to this soon
Gotta give something to get something. If not, enjoy another below average season
I agree, got to give to get
Yes, but that's not the same as over pay to get - which is what Conroy is playing.
Another top 10 pick is CGY's grail, right? Marky isn't waiving for OTT, I'd be shocked if he did while in his right mind. 10th for Marky no retention and straight up isn't fair value, and Fitzgerald knows that.
Seems to me like CGY has one avenue for another 2024 top 10 pick, while Devils have more than one avenue for a goalie improvement. To me, that's becoming more likely to happen if Conroy doesn't budge on retention or another asset for 10th.
@@jma.87 Funny, because Tampa thought they were getting Noah Hannifin similar to how you’re assuming Jersey is the only place available.
Toronto, LA , Detroit could easily be involved… Jersey could lose its allure quickly and be stuck holding they crotch again. Don’t be so sure
@@gregperrault2932 I get the point you're making about Hanifin going to VGK (and that's valid, but that's also a cup favorite team in that situation and Noah only had an 8-team list, not a full NMC like Markstrom -- who's also pretty unhappy with Flames mgmt rn). NJ's the only one with a top 10 pick on that list you stated, and let's be real that's precisely what a rebuilding franchise wants. Not sure what Toronto could realistically give future-wise, and LA's options might not be as attractive (Kaliyev? Seems to be pawned off in every LAK rumor). Maybe it is Detroit, that could work. Good on them if they want to give up their pick. Of course, all of those options would require Markstrom to OK.
Markstrom is Tom's preferred option, that's true, but he's hardly the only option. Personally as a fan, I'd much rather Tom go with plan B or C if it's 10th for Markstrom straight up - take it or leave it. We'll see what happens, but I really wouldn't underestimate NJ's ability to walk away.
I thought that Vancouver made a mistake by loosing Marksrom, but it turno out to be no mistake at all.
The reality of the situation.... is on display in the cup finals right now... the biggest difference between Florida and the Oilers... Goaltending... Too many teams go on the cheap.. but quality guys are not plentiful and on the stat sheet.. the numbers are not sexy like goal scoring...
I know right, Bob is look sensational and shutting down one of the leagues best offenses.
That and Florida is just a bully dude.. they have a smothering defense (which we lack) and play with physicality(which we don’t 😂)
And they have Depth!! Not just a couple guys
Great points. The Devil’s goaltending situation needs to be fixed to compete in a very tough division/ eastern conference. A conference that is loaded with good goaltending. It’s time for the devils to refocus away from acquiring young talent and start chasing quality players that can help when games are tight, physical, and the intensity level goes up.
I hope the tom plays smart
I hope so too Josh
If Jersey wants to stay a middling team, that struggles to make the playoffs on a consistent basis and is not close to competing for a Cup, then continuing chasing young talent. The Devils have good young talent. They need to manage their assets and start chasing battle tested, two-way players (that bring skills other than a ‘good shot’), and specifically legitimate starting goaltending. Jersey doesn’t need to give up the farm to bring in these types of players, but you need to stop over valuing a 10th overall draft pick and young prospects that are not gonna get enough ice time to prove themselves anyways. It’s a team game. Focus on building a complete team that can play different styles of hockey.
The talks could have broken down between the Devils & Calgary.
And, Markstrom isn't worth a 10th overall pick. He isn't even worth the Devils 2025 1st round pick if the Devils don't get a bonafide #1 goalie. Because if the Devils don't get a bonafide #1 goalie, they'll miss the playoffs AGAIN & possibly be a lottery team AGAIN.
I think Markstrom will end up being an Ottawa Senator.
I've heard analysts say talks could've broken down OR a deal maybe done and theyll announce it after the finals
No way 😂Conroy is delusional if he thinks he’s getting that for Marky. He doesn’t even wanna be a Flame. We’ll just 180 and crip walk to a new goalie in FA or another trade
Y’all acting like the handing out 1A tendies on the street corner lmfao 😂
@@jasonkh4 all respect to Marky but not for the price is all I’m saying my dude.
@@alexrusso7517 even if Trotz or Sweeney were willing to part with Saros or Ullmark, which they’d be stupid to, it would cost a helluva lot more than Marky, possibly even multiple 1sts. Jersey’s window to win started when they signed Timo. It’s not a question of whether the basis for a trade would be Marky for 10th; NJ traded the 9th overall that became Bo Horvat for Cory Schneider a decade ago. Even if Calgary ends up sending multiple picks with Marky and Holtz comes back the other way, there is definitely a deal to be had, and definitely already interest on Fitzgerald’s part.
@@jasonkh4 if NJ goes the trade route I’m going for Marky at a reasonable price(next years first and a prospect or Holtz and this years first with something else coming back to NJ with Marky) you kinda proved my point with the Schneider talk. Goaltending is very volatile. If not Markstrom , go all in on Saros. W/e that looks like
Or just go the FA route and beef up the D. I honestly didn’t mind what we have now, but fans will want Fitz’s head if it doesn’t work out
Thankfully Calgary isn't allowed to do business with Treliving
Not sure if I woukd trade 9th pick . I fear the cory Schindler In 2012 draft pick
Don't think they will Josh, Cory was 27 at the time alot younger than Markstrom is now
Ottawa
Its possible, well see soon enough
Holtz, and the 10th pick to Calgary for Markstrom (salary retained) Pospisil and the 28th pick. No idea if this is would work.
No way in hell should you give up that much for Markstrom. Not sure about the other player you mentioned.
That sounds like a good framework of a deal. Its going to be something along those lines I believe.
Looks good just need to subtract Pospisil and the pick.
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWNthis shows your hockey knowledge lol, a late first, a future star and a top 10 goalie just to move up 18 spots? What a clown take hahahaha
Send JH and Markstrom as a package.
We can't take on Huberdeaus contract & Markstrom unless Marino and Palat are going the other way.
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWN Don’t give me that BS!! You are going to take them both and give us three first round picks and Hughes.
Conroy is trying to leak trade rumors and drive up the value that he can get in return for Markstrom but all he's actually accomplishing is pissing off the guy he hopes to move. Markstrom isn't likely to agree to waive his NMC to go just anywhere and the more COnroy jerks him around, the less likely Markstrom is to cooperate to help Conroy in any way. Markstrom is not worth the 10th pick even if salary was retained, in my opinion. He's not worth a top prospect, either. He's worth a 3rd and a depth player at best. He's always been up and down in his career, he's not a goalie with year after year dominance who can command a big return in a trade. SO yes, if there's a package deal made involving several pieces, then NJ would have to be getting one hell of a return in order to make this worth doing. At this point, given what Calgary thinks they can squeeze out of Fitzgerald, NJ would simply be better off spending those same assets on someone who is younger and more likely to be the backbone the Devils need in net. If Conroy keeps this up, he's going to end up settling for peanuts in return for Markstrom because he'll have repeated the same mistake he made by balking at the previous trade deal with NJ.
I totally agree Walt, hes not worth our first this year. Options are getting more limited so hope Fitzgerald can shift to other options that might work for us too
Ullmark and Saros would be great long term additions, but they would command a significant price. From what I see in these comments, New Jersey is not willing to pay that price. But I agree they should. So the question is outside of those two, what other the other options for proven NHL starting goalie?
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWN I wouldn't be surprised if they end up going to the free agent market to get a stop-gap goalie. Right now, they could try to get Laurent Brossoit and it wouldn't cost them any assets since he would be a free agent signing. The main issue will be other teams that are also in the hunt for goalies, but I think NJ is a team players are seeing as a top choice place to play. Brossoit hasn't had the workload of a starting goaltender yet, but he's certainly played great in 23 starts this season. If NJ had him and Allen as a tandem splitting time, I think they'd be in good shape. Of course, this is all predicated on the defense being strong.
@@jeffgibeau1424 There's not much out there in terms of a true proven starter so that may end up not being what NJ goes after if the prices are outrageous. Fitzgerald needs to get the defense stacked up by adding shotblockers/shutdown guys (at least one, maybe two guys). That would help whoever ends up being the goalie tandem for a couple of years until one of the prospects is ready to take the reigns.
@@WaltBTB I suppose. That would definitely help, as long as they were able to add some veteran goaltending depth as well. I would be very nervous with Allen being the starter. Need a solid tandem. Having three young defenceman (23 yr and younger) was probably the biggest issue. After Hamilton went down to injury, it really exposed the lack of NHL depth on D. Don’t get me wrong, I like their young defence. But like you said, maybe one solid NHL veteran to even out the pairings and one 6-7 guy to add some depth. But they need to find a way to make sure the young players get the playing time needed to develop.
If I was the Flames G.M. would I trade a ninth for Markstrom? No
The Flames are not in a win now window, they are looking for picks to get there. Are the Devils building, or are they ready to compete? If compete then Markstrom might be the answer. No one is twisting any arms here. If you want the pick, keep it, make it, role the dice on your net minder. Conroy isn’t paid to do the Devils favors. He gets to trade this guy once, and is expected to get the best possible return. Which is exactly what he’ll do. That said everyone understands a 10th isn’t the same as a 7th and a 7th as a 23rd. So if I was trading with T.O. they would need to up their game. While Ottawa might want say a high ranked D included. Who knows, but that’s why these things take time. Calgary can wait, they will get what they want at this draft, or trade deadline. No one in Calgary is expecting to win this year. How do the fans there feel about things?
He's under contract so he HAS to play for the Flames whether he likes it or not.
Yup, you're correct. However, that's a worst case scenario for CGY I'm sure they'd love to avoid (not getting the return they seeked this off-season and having a distraction carry over in-season).
@@jma.87 If you're Conroy you can't hastily make serious changes if the market doesn't want to cooperate. He's dealing from a position of strength and shouldn't cave to pressure; whether it's from Markstrom or a trade partner. We already know Wolf will get the starters crease and Markstrom is a consummate pro at the end of the day. There's a lot of teams sniffing around and I think Calgary will get a great return.
@@Dreams_Machine Right, I agree to an extent. He can't settle or take a deal that doesn't move CGY's future forward without decent piece coming back. And Conroy clearly doesn't care about pissing off Markstrom - we get that, he already has once over. But it doesn't encourage Markstrom to do any favors with his NMC hammer either.
Both sides feel they have leverage, so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if no deal happens between them tbh - and I'd be fine with that. The only ppl that really lose out are those that want a second top 10 pick.
Maybe DET, LAK, TOR, CAR, or someone else can offer a decent package that's not an early first.
I think if there's retention, or a lower pick coming back that would be enough to get it done with NJ (for me, at least😅). But what do I know? We'll see by the June 28th at the very latest.
ULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLMARKKKKKKKKKK
Ullmark would be nice, but costly
Markstrom + Pospisil
I would LOVE if Pospisil was in it. I mentioned him in the video
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWN agreed, we need size, mangiapane is too small
Conroy trying to get more pieces back in a markstrom trade is funny, you are not getting a 1st and a player for a 35 year old with no money retention. Trade Holtz and a 2025 2nd. I would trade a 1st and a couple players for Saros not markstrom
I know right...lol. I have a feeling it will involve Holtz too going the other way
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWNtotally agree, Holtz will get dealt in a goalie trade, great channel by the way, you got a new subscriber.
Are you high?!! One draft pick for a 9th isn’t the same value as a 10th for a goalie, one goalie can make a teams season, one defensemen can be covered up by other d men playing well too
I never said a draft pick for a ninth, I said to get a forward or defenseman to help the Flames next season.
Question in the video was Would you be willing to part with your 9th O.A. draft pick for a 34 year old forward or defenseman? Seen a lot of people saying the Devils should throw in more to get the trade done where that's alot to give up for an aging player
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWN the flames aren’t one player away from being a deep playoff run team, the devils are, yes the 10th pick is worth an aging player when that player has been putting up some of the best stats for their position on a team that’s holding him back. If jersey wasn’t cheap at the deadline and didn’t push for retention and got Marky they’d have made the playoffs.
Tom loves to overpay
At times he does, yes
@@THEHOCKEYSKATEDOWNhey man hope you’re well, I hope this isn’t one of them. This goalie situation is delicate, I think Tom really needs to be very wise with this deal.
Devils should stay far away from the goalie market and bring back Kappo Kahkonen. Shore up your defense first. Not even Shesterkin can save this mess of a defensive system. Also the only goalie worth of the 10th overall is Askarov and he isn't available. Or Swaymam but same story there. Maelstrom isn't worth the 10th. Not even close.
Same thing, i agree, only goalie I want to trade the 10th for is Askarov
Askarov ISN'T worth a 10th overall pick IMO.
@@Christopher_Penc yes he is. Because he himself was a first round draft pick. And he has the potential to be an absolute stud. To me that has more value than an old goalie in the backend of his career about so start his decline.
@stefaandeswert377 But Askarov isn't a proven #1 NHL goalie (he only played 4 NHL games) and he has no NHL playoff experience whatsoever.
@@Christopher_Penc so what? Neither was Vegas goalie last year and he won the cup.
Lets all be honest. FITZGERALD sucks at GM.
HOW many more seasons with absolute crap 💩 goaltending will be tolerated in NJ?
Allen SUCKS. A totally washed goalie who couldnt crack the lineup of one of the worst teams in hockey.
Allen only has a job because Brodeur is his old golfing buddy from St. Louis.
Fitzgerald already BLEW the Markstrom trade midseason at the 11th hour.
Fitz BLEW the Rango & Toffoli trades.
Fitz overpaid for Hamilton, Palat, Timo, & Macdermid.
How much more incompetence will the lame Harris/Blitzer ownership tolerate?
When the GM & front office is NOT committed to winning, then how is the team going to be?