There is still nothing like this pedal out there and I’ve REALLY looked for alternatives. In the end I bought a back up. I’ve happily used one for nearly 10 years now and upwards of 1500 shows. Great view Aaron, subscribed.
Love it! Really clever use of the Undo/Redo. I thought you screwed up at the beginning and was wondering why you left that in the video. Until you kicked that little part back in with the Redo. Very nicely done!
Thanks! I tried to show as much functionality in one minute as possible. I rarely do that much at a gig lol. I could have also used the second track for that loop but the undo trick is useful on all loopers.
Thanks Aaron. I have the THPA and have been using it for about 5 years. I think this would be a great add and appreciate your review and great info for the guitar player/singers! Cheers!
Thank you for reintroducing us to the VLX3 now that it‘s available again. Please feel warmly invited to produce more content on how you use it as an experienced solo performer using vocal harmonies. Just got myself one off of eBay here in Germany, as a potential replacement not only for my huge (high-end) pedalboard, but also for the otherwise fantastic (but for me, not yet suitable) Fender Tone Master Pro. Had my first gig with only the TMP this week, and although I had it sounding great (for acoustic and electric plus vocals), it‘s just not there (yet?) for singer/player convenience. No global vocal chain across all presets is the biggest killer, plus no muting of vocal FX during announcements. Programmed a footswitch to kill the vocal FX, but it‘s a big hassle how that works in conjunction with the guitar mute footswitch. So despite any potential compromises in terms of tone or effects, I‘m now humbly willing to invest my time in learning the VLX3 in and out in the interest of simplifying my setup to the max. Not only will it be much lighter in weight than my pedalboard or even the TMP, but it will eliminate extra cabling and trying to get various things working together. And I‘ll have a global vocal chain - yes! Can‘t wait to get started today or tomorrow. :-) Previously snubbed this thing as too complex as well as to limited (haha). Man, I now believe I was just being a gear snob. ;-) P.S. Also interested in how you‘d recommend using the unit for shows in which both an acoustic and an electric guitar are used.
I agree. It’s an amazing unit! It’s hard to use acoustic and electric with the one input. Either change patches and switch the cable to the other guitar or buy a small processor like the HX stomp and connect it to the Aux in.
@@aaronshortmusic So maybe just using a an A/B footswitch (e.g. Boss AB-2) ahead of the guitar input and then having dedicated presets for acoustic and electric should do the trick? And having a global vocal channel that applies no matter what guitar preset is running?
Good to hear. If I purchase it through Sweetwater, I’ll use your link, otherwise may check some shops while I am here in Montana. Maybe you should do a how to video to sell as a download for a small fee/price.
Great review. I'll have to find a review of this vs the Boss RC-600 (which is a fair bit cheaper). I have the PlayLive Acoustic so very interested to hear what this adds to that.
Good review of a very deep pedal. I do have reservations about TC products in general. I have seen many comments on various TC products being unreliable, they get glitchy or just stop working. More than a few.
Hi, thx for the video. I have the tch play acoustic. Love the vocal effects and harmonies. Find the looper not that optimal, using my old ditto x2 instead. And it somehow makes my guitar muddy and I can’t seem to bypass it, which is why I now physically bypass it and just feed the guitar into it for the harmonies. Are the looper and the “body rez” similar on this flagship?
Ok, this company rocks! thanks for showing us this one, it does cost a lot! 😅 VoiceLive 3 Extreme vs. VoiceLive Play: -Who are the intended users for each of these models would you say, how do they differ in terms of their user base? Is this more expensive model too much for a beginner new to these kinds of devices? And what compact little mixer should I use to connect an iPhone or MP3 player for backing tracks to these devices? And for street performance which speaker would you recommend me to use so the audience hear me clearly with still a great sound on a square or from a street corner? thanks for a nice demo!
The price is very reasonable consider the features that you get! This is the flagship and has much more advanced features than the Play, it is not much harder to use. You can connect your phone to the USB port or Aux in to play your backing tracks. The speaker depends on your act, I have reviewed many. It is worth noting that the Everse 8 will power the TC Play with a special power cable that is available.
I've been using the VL3X for about 7 years now. I was really hoping for a version 4 with a better looper. I would love to see a VL4x with a looper setup like the Headrush Looperboard.
I am really surprised they were able to obtain the 56K DSPs that run the guitar and vocal processing. Those things are supposed to be out of production, we were told that well over 10 years ago. No one would dare touch that firmware, it is mostly written in non-portable assembly and on top of that the DSP is 24-bit fixed point which is an absolute pain to work with.
Does it actual sound better than the play acoustic? I'm not going to use backing tracks and a lot of the other functions. I have a looper I'm fine with. How do things like harmonies sound compared to the Play acoustic? I'm not necessarily interested in more options, but I'm always interested in better sound.
No it just gives you more options. Play Acoustic is still amazing and even more portable. It just depends if you need to additional features which I often do.
My pedal arrived today somewhere around 4 o’clock it says do you have a list of what the coded presets are actually for Ken train. Take the guest work out for grandpa here. 😂
Have you found a way to use cc messages? On VL2 I could control the harmony level with my midi expression pedal. VL3e I have to use another non-midi expression pedal. The midi assignment chart is way more limited. I have to say, I feel like that’s a step in the wrong direction.
@@aaronshortmusic I really like the sound just so disappointed that I need to take an extra pedal. VL3X, A/B, FCB1010, RC600 plus now I need to take my Leleh Duo. I have a GR55 as well. That’s 3 midi expression pedals and unless I’m missing something, none of them will control the VL3e. Not the end of the world but they have much more extensive midi control in the VL2. I don’t understand why they didn’t build upon what they already had in terms of midi control. Oh well…. People have mentioned doing it myself through sysex but I know almost nothing about that and I have more than enough things to learn already. It gets overwhelming. Thanks anyway.
@@aaronshortmusicno one here in The Netherlands could repair it. I’m not the only one ,the problem is worldwide. The white screen. Some one returned it and it took almost 1 years and did not help but the costs were higher than the pedal itself 😡 read all the problems on internet about this crap pedal! In the beginning I was more than satisfied, but than the problem came with the horrible white screen . For me and a lot others no pedals of TC Helicon anymore.
@@wdalima I can only talk from my own experience. I have owned mine for three years and use it 3-5 times per week at gigs and I have had no issues at all.
I can buy a voicelive 3 for half the price used compared to the vl extreme . Currently using a headrush core . The tc helicon range of products over the years seem to be redundant versions of this product Which makes it very Confusing. The vl3x in canada retails for 1300 cad new . And you have to wait 3 months to get it . None are in stock . Does anyone know the difference between a voice?Live three and the extreme? Is it worth the update to go to extreme?
VL3x has some backing track and automation features that you may or may not use. It’s also black which I prefer. Since they are now shipping again I would go for the VL3x. There’s nothing on the market quite like it.
Yea. It seems helicon is better The TC helicon on my korg pa1000 is quite impressive. Which made me look for other hardware from them . Have you tried headrush core ? I got one used It's quite impressive . It seems they are catching up . I hate boss and Roland . I am thinking of pulling the trigger on a new vl3x and wait 3 months for it .. but would rather find one used .
@@aaronshortmusic you ha e a good voice btw . The song was profoundly odd and funny in the intro . If you can a headrush core used for a good price . Pick it up and try it It may surprise you. Take care Appreciate your help and conversation .
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There is still nothing like this pedal out there and I’ve REALLY looked for alternatives. In the end I bought a back up. I’ve happily used one for nearly 10 years now and upwards of 1500 shows. Great view Aaron, subscribed.
I feel exactly the same. I even tried to make my own ‘replacement board’ at one point but I still preferred the convenience of the VL3x.
@@aaronshortmusic Exactly that.
@@aaronshortmusic lol yes, I remember that well! 😁 You even opened a VLT2 and put on the board!
@@ChrisTidestrom It was a great board!
Very nice review! I appreciate that you covered specific features that I would benefit from. The tuner mute/vocal effects being one. Well done.
Thanks!
Great video, Aaron! Have heard you use that pedal live, sounds great and does everything in one unit!
Love it! Really clever use of the Undo/Redo. I thought you screwed up at the beginning and was wondering why you left that in the video. Until you kicked that little part back in with the Redo. Very nicely done!
Thanks! I tried to show as much functionality in one minute as possible. I rarely do that much at a gig lol. I could have also used the second track for that loop but the undo trick is useful on all loopers.
Awesome Aaron great news!! Thank you.
Just got mine from Thomann really a great product, see you soon in NY
Good work Aaron. I have been looking at getting the Play Acoustic but you've swayed me to consider this one seriously. Good honest review. Cheers
I think it’s worth the extra real estate and $$.
At last. My friend has been chomping at the bit for one of these. Great video as usual.
I'd love to see more content on this pedal
Thanks Aaron. I have the THPA and have been using it for about 5 years. I think this would be a great add and appreciate your review and great info for the guitar player/singers! Cheers!
Thank you for reintroducing us to the VLX3 now that it‘s available again. Please feel warmly invited to produce more content on how you use it as an experienced solo performer using vocal harmonies. Just got myself one off of eBay here in Germany, as a potential replacement not only for my huge (high-end) pedalboard, but also for the otherwise fantastic (but for me, not yet suitable) Fender Tone Master Pro. Had my first gig with only the TMP this week, and although I had it sounding great (for acoustic and electric plus vocals), it‘s just not there (yet?) for singer/player convenience. No global vocal chain across all presets is the biggest killer, plus no muting of vocal FX during announcements. Programmed a footswitch to kill the vocal FX, but it‘s a big hassle how that works in conjunction with the guitar mute footswitch. So despite any potential compromises in terms of tone or effects, I‘m now humbly willing to invest my time in learning the VLX3 in and out in the interest of simplifying my setup to the max. Not only will it be much lighter in weight than my pedalboard or even the TMP, but it will eliminate extra cabling and trying to get various things working together. And I‘ll have a global vocal chain - yes! Can‘t wait to get started today or tomorrow. :-) Previously snubbed this thing as too complex as well as to limited (haha). Man, I now believe I was just being a gear snob. ;-) P.S. Also interested in how you‘d recommend using the unit for shows in which both an acoustic and an electric guitar are used.
I agree. It’s an amazing unit! It’s hard to use acoustic and electric with the one input. Either change patches and switch the cable to the other guitar or buy a small processor like the HX stomp and connect it to the Aux in.
@@aaronshortmusic So maybe just using a an A/B footswitch (e.g. Boss AB-2) ahead of the guitar input and then having dedicated presets for acoustic and electric should do the trick? And having a global vocal channel that applies no matter what guitar preset is running?
Good to hear. If I purchase it through Sweetwater, I’ll use your link, otherwise may check some shops while I am here in Montana. Maybe you should do a how to video to sell as a download for a small fee/price.
Nice idea and thanks for using my link. I appreciate the support.
Great review. I'll have to find a review of this vs the Boss RC-600 (which is a fair bit cheaper). I have the PlayLive Acoustic so very interested to hear what this adds to that.
They are similar but still quite different. The Boss has more tracks but the TC does more of the other stuff.
Good review of a very deep pedal. I do have reservations about TC products in general. I have seen many comments on various TC products being unreliable, they get glitchy or just stop working. More than a few.
Buy from an authorized dealer and register the warranty and you will have three years of support.
Hi, thx for the video. I have the tch play acoustic. Love the vocal effects and harmonies. Find the looper not that optimal, using my old ditto x2 instead. And it somehow makes my guitar muddy and I can’t seem to bypass it, which is why I now physically bypass it and just feed the guitar into it for the harmonies. Are the looper and the “body rez” similar on this flagship?
Way more functional looper. Still has the Body Rez if you use it (I don’t).
Ok, this company rocks!
thanks for showing us this one, it does cost a lot!
😅
VoiceLive 3 Extreme vs. VoiceLive Play:
-Who are the intended users for each of these models would you say,
how do they differ in terms of their user base?
Is this more expensive model too much for a beginner new to these kinds of devices?
And what compact little mixer should I use to connect an iPhone or MP3 player for backing tracks to these devices?
And for street performance which speaker would you recommend me to use so the audience hear me clearly with still a great sound on a square or from a street corner?
thanks for a nice demo!
The price is very reasonable consider the features that you get! This is the flagship and has much more advanced features than the Play, it is not much harder to use. You can connect your phone to the USB port or Aux in to play your backing tracks. The speaker depends on your act, I have reviewed many. It is worth noting that the Everse 8 will power the TC Play with a special power cable that is available.
I've been using the VL3X for about 7 years now. I was really hoping for a version 4 with a better looper. I would love to see a VL4x with a looper setup like the Headrush Looperboard.
The VL3x is still the best for what I do. There is no guarantee that a new version will be ‘better’ but I hope that it will happen!
HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO GET A NEW VOICELIVE????? 😭😭😭😭 amazing video. How can I find a new one of these????
Huge fan of the original voicelive 3 but sold it and have been completely lost being unable to buy a new one because of the supply issues
I’ll post another video tomorrow with more information. Subscribe to my channel and stay tuned!!
Is it possible for you to do a whole tutorial on this pedal, from set up hardware, to using sounds, recording, to live performances
Yes I plan to do this but it will have to be a paid course as it will take me a while to do it.
@@aaronshortmusicI’d pay your Patreon
@@Eddyvnhln5150 Awesome I’ll look into this soon.
I am really surprised they were able to obtain the 56K DSPs that run the guitar and vocal processing. Those things are supposed to be out of production, we were told that well over 10 years ago. No one would dare touch that firmware, it is mostly written in non-portable assembly and on top of that the DSP is 24-bit fixed point which is an absolute pain to work with.
Does it actual sound better than the play acoustic? I'm not going to use backing tracks and a lot of the other functions. I have a looper I'm fine with. How do things like harmonies sound compared to the Play acoustic? I'm not necessarily interested in more options, but I'm always interested in better sound.
No it just gives you more options. Play Acoustic is still amazing and even more portable. It just depends if you need to additional features which I often do.
@@aaronshortmusic Thanks for the quick reply...exactly what I needed.
My pedal arrived today somewhere around 4 o’clock it says do you have a list of what the coded presets are actually for Ken train. Take the guest work out for grandpa here. 😂
I don’t understand.
Have you found a way to use cc messages? On VL2 I could control the harmony level with my midi expression pedal. VL3e I have to use another non-midi expression pedal. The midi assignment chart is way more limited. I have to say, I feel like that’s a step in the wrong direction.
You can use an expression pedal to control the volume of the harmonies. This is probably an easier option for most people.
@@aaronshortmusic I really like the sound just so disappointed that I need to take an extra pedal. VL3X, A/B, FCB1010, RC600 plus now I need to take my Leleh Duo. I have a GR55 as well. That’s 3 midi expression pedals and unless I’m missing something, none of them will control the VL3e. Not the end of the world but they have much more extensive midi control in the VL2. I don’t understand why they didn’t build upon what they already had in terms of midi control. Oh well….
People have mentioned doing it myself through sysex but I know almost nothing about that and I have more than enough things to learn already. It gets overwhelming.
Thanks anyway.
Hi Aaron, is the loop lenght sufficient?
Yes very long.
boss gt1000 core + boss VE500 great combo to fulfill almost any necessity for a singer guitarist.... Under 5 pounds
Not enough footswitches. I would need to add a MIDI controller as well and then it’s too much stuff.
What in ear monitor do you use?
Shure SE535 at the moment.
Crap too expansive pedal !!!!!
Mine worked only 3 months 😡😡😡😡😡
Why didn’t you return it? Products have a 12 month warranty.
@@aaronshortmusicno one here in The Netherlands could repair it. I’m not the only one ,the problem is worldwide. The white screen. Some one returned it and it took almost 1 years and did not help but the costs were higher than the pedal itself 😡 read all the problems on internet about this crap pedal! In the beginning I was more than satisfied, but than the problem came with the horrible white screen . For me and a lot others no pedals of TC Helicon anymore.
@@wdalima I can only talk from my own experience. I have owned mine for three years and use it 3-5 times per week at gigs and I have had no issues at all.
@@aaronshortmusic look on TH-cam again I swear I saw a video about the white screen fix
@Wdalima
I can buy a voicelive 3 for half the price used compared to the vl extreme . Currently using a headrush core . The tc helicon range of products over the years seem to be redundant versions of this product Which makes it very Confusing. The vl3x in canada retails for 1300 cad new . And you have to wait 3 months to get it . None are in stock . Does anyone know the difference between a voice?Live three and the extreme? Is it worth the update to go to extreme?
VL3x has some backing track and automation features that you may or may not use. It’s also black which I prefer. Since they are now shipping again I would go for the VL3x. There’s nothing on the market quite like it.
Yea. It seems helicon is better The TC helicon on my korg pa1000 is quite impressive. Which made me look for other hardware from them .
Have you tried headrush core ? I got one used
It's quite impressive . It seems they are catching up .
I hate boss and Roland . I am thinking of pulling the trigger on a new vl3x and wait 3 months for it .. but would rather find one used
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@@Dingdongbillybong The Headrush was ‘rushed’ in my opinion.
@@aaronshortmusic you ha e a good voice btw . The song was profoundly odd and funny in the intro . If you can a headrush core used for a good price . Pick it up and try it
It may surprise you.
Take care
Appreciate your help and conversation .
@@Dingdongbillybong Thanks! I already tried the Core. I have a livestream about it.