Disagree or not with the idea, you cannot lie that the design for Sonic looks badass. Like damn, how can you not look at him and go “I wanna play as that”?
I also just want to add that, whether intentional or not, Crash's origin story and Cortex's plan to make an army of mutant animals is just The Island of Dr. Moreau.
Honestly your Sonic AU idea was pretty cool even thought of some ideas that could work for example what if some of Sonics other friends like the Chaotix who didn't start out as antagonists started out as well antagonists maybe Robotnik used some mind device to make his creations work for him.
That would be a pretty cool parallel, I always liked when sonic and shadow were two sides of the same coin. Which is why I like Jason griffith as sonic and shadow
Fun fact: when the Crash Bandicoot game was first designed, the designers called it "Sonic's Ass" because the question they aimed to answer is what a 3D character platformer would look like and the first answer they thought of was "You'd spend a lot of time staring at Sonic's ass."
Thank you for your response, I just really like your worldbuilding and concepts you brought up. I just wanted to see more of this world you created which I know it's kind of selfish, and if you don't wish to do more with this concept I'm cool with that. I just think it's really cool and unique especially for the blue blur! :)
Hey all! Sorry for the delay on this... I recorded an unscripted version a few days after releasing the reboot video... Didn't like it... Then decided to make the full video again (joy). I really wanted to follow up the initial video before putting this project to rest and address some of the comments that jumped out to me in particular. I'll be moving onto a few new games and topics after this, as well as returning to the character design series after a long break... Keep your eyes peeeled! Big Credits on this video go out to WHY for both his Sonic Remixes, his channel is full of Sonic tracks among other gaming beats and can be found here: th-cam.com/users/Why_TheRemixGuy Huge thanks for the thumbnail art. Dupree (Tails Vector) twitter.com/dupreedraws Max Pinelli (Sonic Art) twitter.com/maxpinelliart Perp3tual (Eggman and Forest backdrop) twitter.com/Perp3tualMusic Additional artwork in the video also by Ezno twitter.com/icant_draw and FortuneKitty instagram.com/7fortune_kitty7 Make sure you check out the twitter fan arts too! Twitter Handles are in the video!
It’s funny I saw that video yesterday. Honestly I personally enjoy it because it was what a reboot should logically be. Taking base concept and making it free again. Because that’s the sad reality of games with too much iconography. And in Sonics case it should have been like it’s competitor Mario focusing less on canon and more on standalone adventures that you can pick up and play. So this really did get me excited despite not being a fan for years. Even more so I do believe that fans should take a step back and re evaluate what they love. Remember none of these games we love were multimillion franchises going on 30, they were built up from nothing but the personal themes of the creators. And I do feel you really did go back to what developer Yuji Naka wanted for the series with conflict between cool eco warrior and mad scientist. The only real comment I want to give is your ending. The sad reality that people need to understand is that often times you only have one chance. Let’s say saga did buy this concept from you and built a game engine and announced it, economically you have to see if this game breaks even and get returns. So the ending was smart, throw away the egg trainers and let the ending sit with the player. And if it’s successful you can have the tails sequel. But it’s as you said, you have to be concise and that already made me excited. Disappointed that Boom didn’t work out this way. Good luck with more videos, introduced through the Ganon video. And just hope there is always more to talk about.
Thank you! Cheers for sticking around since Ganon! You've honestly hit the nail on the head for me.. Running free with the original concept is always such a cool thing to do with any IP, let alone one with a history like Sonic!
@@ArtistMarkFlynn hell yeah to that! It can be very exciting since there are no bad ideas in any series. Robot duplicates, evil doppelgängers, ancient prophecies and new industries, it’s all under the lens of your title character. Like crash was mentioned a few times, sonic and crash had time travel in their continuity and both approached the game differently from both narrative and gameplay. So under your premise if familiar concepts show up it won’t be the same because it’s what this Sonic is seeing and not classic/modern/boom. Re-explore, see why these old stories were special and show others why they were. That is the path of all writers. And I do plan on sticking around, always happy to see genuine creative vision and not just click bait.
Absolutely on your last paragraph - Let stories be standalone, let them have definitive endings. Not everything needs sequel bait, and often sequel bait hurts the work as an individual piece of media.
Only thing I'd change from your original pitch is not to have Eggman be the source of Sonic's speed - rather, Eggman captures him and wants to use him as a test subject because of his speed. I'd also keep at least some of the animals anthro, maybe have them be a separate, older society that lives in the forests that people overlook or ostracize. Then you've got room to build toward stuff like Angel Island, the Emeralds, and so on. Other than that, it's great stuff! Wonderful work to you and your cohorts.
Don't forget to the another animals: 1. 2 hedgehogs (become to Amy Rose and Shadow) 2. An echidna (become to Knuckles) 3. An hawk (become to Jet) 4. An lemur (become to Tangle) 5. An flying squirrel (become to Ray) 6. An armadillo (become to Mighty) 7. An bobcat (Become to Big) 8. An crocodile (Become to Vector).
@@sezunemizuhana3870 Nope.... This characters like Sally Acorn, Bunnie Rabbit and Rotor the walrus can't apperer in the Five Sonic spirit games because is gone to the wasteland of SEGA. Only Antonie the coyote is appere in the Sonic Spirit the Lost Jewel game and the shorts animated of Sonic Spirit like the director of the School of Maria The Hedgehog.
I'd honestly be interested in seeing how you'd integrate characters Knuckles, Amy, Mighty, Ray, The Chaotix, Possibly the Hooligans too. I'm just really hooked on this Reboot world!!
Don't have much to add, but I wanna say that I really appreciate the fact that you wanted to make a complete story without teasing a sequel. I feel like too much of modern media is prewritten with plot holes in order leave room for sequels (read: more cash), to the point that finding complete stories in ANYTHING is super rare these days. Not that there's anything wrong with that from a purely artistic viewpoint, but I feel like it often cheapens the theme of a story if it's not handled correctly, which it rarely is.
Ah, phew. Saying you don't want to do something as lengthy again worried me, but I'm incredibly relieved to hear you'll keep at it with lots of bite-sized ones. I'm genuinely enjoying this series of fresh takes, and am curious what you might come up with for other fictional properties. Reinventing while going back to the roots for a series can result in fantastic bursts of creativity, which is something you clearly appreciated about the new Rayman. It worked fantastically for Breath of the Wild, too. Just as you say, it can flop sometimes, like you example of Devil May Cry. Very valid points. In this particular case, with the Sonic property, it seems to keep coming back to the unique connection with the fan base, which is both a strength and a hindrance. Just like the movie, Mania, and so forth, some awesome stuff can come from the public, so I for one encourage it. Sure, there's going to be some qq here and there, but so long as your work results in some smiles and happiness, there's some true worth there. Thanks for all your hard work, please keep it up!
I'll still be making content, but just general video essays about lots of different topics and my usual character design stuff! The reboot ended up taking almost my time up for a year and I gotta do some other stuff now for my brains sake lol
I really liked the first video and actually gave my ideas on how a potential sequel would work there. I actually also had the idea of Tails being a creation of Eggman and making new shoes for Sonic
I really liked the reboot video, I thought it was pretty good, and I easily came with a sequel idea myself. I thought it was great. And since watching that I've toyed around with my own reboot ideas. Although since my first Sonic game was Sonic Colors. it was more inspired by the modern games.
Been a Sonic fan for more than 20 years. After watching these videos im heavily tempted into making my own interpretation of a reboot/reimagining of Sonic. I bet i can do the opposite of Mark's interpretation and keep as much as the source material (at least from the mainline games up until SA2/Heroes) while still making more sense than the actual canon. I've thinking this shit for years
i can imagine knuckles in the second spirit game, trying to beat sonic, making sonic get the shoes back where he once left them, as eggman had an idea to fight fire with fire, while also creating another eggman shoes (that knuckles wears), and try to beat sonic in at least after 5 or 6 zones, after sonic makes knuckles realize that eggman was destroying his home he once knew, he decides to team up with sonic!, would be cool ngl
Honestly I love this idea and wish I thought of it but glad it exists. Can u "reboot" a few other classics? That would be amazing though u don't have to.
I'd love to do the whole thing again for Zelda, this genuinely stopped me from any other videos for a year though so not sure if I want to end up doing a similar project again as it stands lol
Isn't this video just a response to youtube comments? It should have been a spin off, not a main channel video :P Great stuff man. The original video is great
I really like how you desingned Sonic, Tails, Metal Sonic, n Eggman, they look very cool n modern, n about the gameplay, sounds really interesting cause it could be something more platform but with speed moments XD, but yeah i like how u maded a story for this reboot n how this concept reminds me of Rayman n Super Mario, n that's all i have to say
I loved your first video, but I think I gotta clarify a few points you debated in this one (with respect). For the reboot part: As I mentioned in a comment before, people want this to be more of a spin-off due to it changing what they like about the franchise. I'm sure Boom would have been trashed to the ground even with great games if Sega made it the main focus of the franchise. Like I mentioned before, the thing about Sonic is that it's so broad everyone has a favorite one. Whether it be 2D (fan-games, classic era and Mania), 3D (Adventure and Boost) or other. So, for many, getting away with other gameplay styles would be jarring. Story/Sequels As for the sequel part, you made a great point for a sequel. However, I think what shocked people the most is that it didn't acknowledge many stuff from the post-classic era. As I said before, Sonic has transcended the original "nature vs technology" themes and many people like that more. It relates to my point about change and not wanting things to suddenly change. Crash comparisons: Yeah, no. It's similar, but it's not the same. Hope you see this and reply because I really would wanna read your insight. Keep up with the great work!!
Here's what I would call the levels of Sonic Spirit. 1. Plantation Paradise 2. Blackgold Beach 3. Mountaintop Mines 4. Sunny-Side Streets 5. Scrambled Storeroom 6. Ovoid Offices 7. Final Fallback (Where Sonic and Eggman go through the levels again) Also, I would call the hypothetical sequel "Sonic Soul"
That's very interesting! And just to expand upon your idea, I have several points that fascinate me. Specifically, what kind of music could the reboot feature? I'm curious to see if Sonic's "power-ups" will remain the same including his super forms.
Thanks for the idea! Personally if I was EEEEVER to do something like this again... It'd probably be for Zelda, but to be honest I can't see it happening any time soon lol (or ever) that end screen wasn't a lie!
I think the sonic community is just scared of change. But at the same time, I've never personally seen an idea I can get behind when it comes to rebooting the series. However, that may just be because I find the whole thing unnecessary. Sonic can be a great series if it just gets back on track. And I don't think a reboot is how we get to that. Quality games with strong narrative is enough.
I think that's fair. Most fanbases have an element of fear about change... Me included (hence the backlash to movie sonic). With stuff like this I aways think it's better to try though if things feel stale!
Listening to this and the previous video, You could do small, quick stories of the characters. Like Knuckles, He isn't the last of his tribe, but the last warrior of his tribe. And the Chaos Emeralds only show up when he is introduced. (Maybe make the Chaos Emeralds, gems connected to nature itself?) For Amy, she had been rescued by Sonic a few times, mainly due to Eggman's destruction of the environment. Sonic had to save her from a few falling trees or something. Maybe Amy is a reporter and that's why she kept being in danger? Maybe for Shadow, the raid of the Ark was not the same. There were no weapons made. Just people having to be brought back down due to funding being ended. Shadow is a heavily modified being, but he is one of many. Maria still died early, but not as violently. So Shadow never had a revenge arc. Maybe Eggman tricks Shadow to fight and/or race Sonic and how Eggman knows Shadow is because Shadow stayed friends with the Robotnik family. No edge, just a guy who cares about people. Of course, maybe make it a point that the animal and human characters also exist together, and treated as normal? There is plenty to look into for an idea like this. Plenty of backstories that can change without convolution being needed. There is plenty here that needn't be so in depth. Just a few quick videos you could make on characters and what they might be doing or will do as an idea if you'd wanna do so.
I could TRY to put a team together to turn this into an actual fan game but idk really where to start. The only thing I know is that I love this concept and I really want to see it in a playable form
Damn i was one of the people thinking “oh theres really no way to make a sequel” and you just hit me with the example of one of my favorite video game franchises (little nightmares) like damn you got me i felt specifically targeted
Ok rather I agree with your points or not spoiler I actually did like a few of them oddly enough. ( As I'm a huge fan of the adventure games and wish they kept THAT kind of gameplay and storytelling ) but your ideas weren't bad at all. So I'mma say this, don't let people who can't see another opinion as just that and stop making these kinds of videos. I'd love to hear more ideas. Even if I don't like them or do.. the point of them is to hear them out and have a adult like chat about em. Not be babies and cry about different opinions.. so I say bring them on dude. Also you gained a sub cause I liked the vids. DON'T JUDGE ME MARK! You have no soul :O
I wish you would've addressed the gameplay criticisms me and many others have. I loved the video, as well as your other videos, but I do not think Sonic should have a run button. It ruins the entire point of Sonic, as it makes momentum which all the 2d games focused on, and makes it an instantaneous ability, which isn't even necessarily how the boost games handled it, because in those boost could run out and in some scenarios it would endanger you if you spammed it. However the story concept worked a lot in my opinion, and I was glad to hear you came up with a sequel, because I did not want it to end that quickly. Overall good video, but I wished you would've addressed the gameplay criticisms more.
Can't go into everything in deep detail my dude I'm afraid. Like I said in the pinned comment already I ended up recording and edited this twice! It takes a lotta time lol Fair enough if you don't think it should have a run button. I do! Rayman has such a good feeling of momentum and I get real good instant gratification being able to speed up instantly. Regardless I do think gameplay was the weakest part of that video. I am not a game dev and am just chatting shit basically.
One little thing that I’ll think will be neat is tails being a cyborg named t.a.i.l.s. An acronym for something idk and was created by egg man in his early stages of turning animals into robots thing
here is a idea on how to introduce some adventure era characters chaos-a synthetic creation of eggman that harnessed the power of the chaos emeralds shadow-eggman started a project called "terios" which had him trying to recreate what made sonic so fast exactly but the terios formula had a problem it gave more than speed it gave space manipulation and energy contruct creation(maybe time manipulation). due to eggman, terios started to see humans in a negative light but made a friend in eggmans company named maria which during a conflict was killed which sparked terios now calling himself shadow to honor maria becuse maria told him" you are a shadow of my boss's ultimate rival"
Honestly I really do like this concept for a Sonic Reboot. While a reboot may not be what the franchise really needs it’s still pretty cool. If you ever do explore more into this concept then I’d like to see other factors from the original sonic story introduced into this concept like the Chaos Emeralds or possibly other characters like Knuckles being introduced as side experiments that Robotnik had created sometime before Sonic’s origin.
If there is a Sonic 3&k reboot, I think it would be great. You could really show the ancient magic and beautiful nature of Angel Island being destroyed by Robotnik. Knuckles could keep his character ark of working with Robotnik, seeing his damage, and joins Sonic and Tails. I could see Angel Island being a representation of ancient ruins and hidden magic that would be ruined by Robotnik's company. That's some of the reasons I think Sonic 3&K would be awesome in this rebooted universe.
While there are still some aspects of the original video I disagree with, this follow up has changed my mind on some of my knee jerk reactions to that ending. Honestly, while I would love to see another video about Sonic 2, I also understand if that’s a large undertaking.
Coming from someone that really liked your concept and found originality in many aspects of it, with all respect, even with your elaboration, I still think it's too similiar to Crash, even the western version of Sonic's world (which you claim to have to got your inspirations from) had anthropomorphic animals as part of the world and not a creation of Robotnik, which not only it made it more distinguishable but it makes introducing other characters more easier as the series would go gon, this setting instead makes all the anthros experiments from Eggman/Robotnik which makes it a lot more Crash-like, I am very surprised you didn't take more inspiration from Dragon Ball instead since it was the source of inspiration for a lot of concept of the first half of the series (up to 2006, really, Trunks was references in guides by SEGA in relation to Silver The Hedgehog) and go for anthros living along with humans idea, which is less seen and fleshed out (even the Sonic canon) than the lab experiments one.
3:30 yes, sonic does enjoy to lounge around whenever, as seen by the ovas intro, and the games. but Sonic also very much loves the speed, he likes to run, it makes him feel free. I definitely agree he would like to discard the Eggman industries kicks, given whats happened, he should also probably go back to find his old shoes or something. Sonic is very much identified to represent the wind; his fast and free-flowing nature couldn't work, or at least work well, without the speed he has. Just look at sonic free riders' song Free. A lot of the music reprisents these characters and how they think or act or why they act. A main motif in Sonic's music is how free he feels because of the speed.
hey! i'm a bit late to this and sadly might've missed the feedback train-- but i'd still love to throw in my two cents. i missed my chance with the first "dear sega" video where the toxicity closed the video down and damn it i won't let it happen again. really long post incoming, i'm sorry about that. but just like how you were inspired, so was i! this isn't necessarily the direction i would take the series in, but i can appreciate the love and thought that was put into it regardless and it would be something i would love to play so i could see where that passion leads the game to feel and play like. i'm with you that the setting and overall structure of the story is still very much reminiscent of what makes sonic, sonic (as opposed to the original "dear sega,"). sonic will still look and act cocky, he'll still be a freedom fighter with a tint (not much of a tint this time) of an ecological message, and he'll still be fighting against eggman. that's all you really need. my main points are in two different areas: 1) the story, or rather; the ending. 2) the gameplay, which i know wasn't your focus starting with the story, i would still tentatively say that the outline of the narrative does lend itself to "writing yourself into a hole." it's not that bad, and you show how a sequel can fit in after-- and i agree completely with self-contained stories being something that is sorely lacking these days, that MCU screenshot paired in the video gave me a feeling of dread lmao-- but i would say that it has a sense of finality that it doesn't need to have, while still never implying anything beyond its scope, and being perfectly capable of existing on its own. i think a really important component of this reboot is that it needs to be contextualized into sonic's history. it would come in after 30 years of history in his franchise, with an established identity and fanbase. maybe this is the point of separation between our perspectives-- but even a complete reboot back to the story's roots would need, in my opinion, a certain note of celebration about the history, and invigoration for the future. something like "and here's to 30 more years!" you know? it doesn't really need to be explicit, and i don't think most of the game goes against this message. but the ending, specifically the "sonic takes off his shoes, walks off, and we see a timeskip in which eggman's empire has fallen and been reclaimed by nature," bit has a sense of finality that you might've not intended when it's put into that context. it reads to me that the message SEGA would send in an universe where this game comes out would be "it's been 30 years, and it's finally over." i agree that it's within sonic's character to just relax and laze off if he's not called to action. the image of sonic OVA comes to mind, in which he refuses to help tails out at the beginning of the movie because he's just trying to sleep, or the imagery you picked of sonic sleeping in adventure 1. but i think the concept of sonic taking his shoes off and walking off strikes a really strong chord that hasn't been played with before, and one i'm not sure would be the right one to playin this context. it's a perfectly fine ending in the self-contained narrative of the small story of one game-- and i understand that you want to keep it as The One Game, no strings attached-- but this One Game already exists within a franchise that's being rebooted. the ending also fits into a meta narrative; and reads as the chapter being closed for Sonic, as a whole. him taking off the shoes is some really, /really/ striking imagery that's never been done before (to my knowledge) in any capacity outside niche comic stories. they're the defining feature of his character. were a sequel to come out (it doesn't have to,) tails making him new shoes would actually cheapen that moment. why get rid of them, only to give them back the moment we start back up? there could be a message there, that sonic isn't just "eggman's creation" anymore, and he's not alone anymore either. his new friend tails gives him the new (metaphorical and literal) shoes to stand on-- which hooks into another important part of sonic again-- but we don't really need for him to take off the original shoes at the end of the first game to carry that message across. they could easily break in the second one or something and that'd still fit perfectly well. and a sequel is outside of the scope of the original video, so it wasn't ever a real setup for that sort of message, either. i dunno. it feels like it's imagery that, even unknowingly or unintentionally, sends a really deep message that'll either be wasted or go against the point of what a 30th anniversary reboot should do. if i were to suggest an alternative way to handle this: let's reintroduce one more concept from sonic into the mix. a chaos emerald. not the chaos emeralds, just /a/ chaos emerald. this emerald could be the source of eggman's industrial might. it would be what is eventually distilled into whatever substance gave sonic his powers, and it would be what metal sonic harnesses to match and surpass sonic as well. in the final showdown, metal's victory is due to the fact that eggman's directly equipped him with the emerald-- finally perfecting his design. at the end of the fight, metal's about to kill sonic but gives him the emerald instead (or maybe sonic simply picks it up after metal's killed, whichever works best,) which will then explain the "burst of energy" he gets when he eventually beats all of eggman's metal sonic designs and whatnot. the ending sequence is then replaced from sonic taking his shoes off and walking off, to him running off into the forest, littered with industrial waste and rubble from the battle. the emerald, combined with sonic's power, (and maybe this can be an interesting concept for the battle as well) leaves a trail of energy that heals the greenery and foliage around the wreckage where sonic runs. we can now keep the timeskip and metal sonic memorial: there's an interesting implication that sonic healed his home, and we can see him sleeping nearby; keeping the character trait of him relaxing when he's not needed. the second point is thankfully a lot shorter than this-- i already wrote a massive wall-- and is a smaller critique of how i feel like you overlooked far too much about how the game would play. i understand that you're more of a writer than a game designer; but part of the appeal of sonic and games as a whole is how gameplay fits into narrative and can define a character's and franchise's identity. i understand games like rayman and ori are clearly ones you hold very close to you and inspire a lot of your choices for sonic spirit, but the fact that all you can point to is that it's a lot easier said than done to get the gameplay of this right, and a rough outline of the games you like and would like the game to feel close to, really undermines the entire concept. i think it's a shame, because it's obviously the weakest link in the entire video and can tie into the "you just want to make crash/rayman/ori again but with sonic slapped on it" arguments really easily, even if i think they're unwarranted. sonic's gameplay-- whether the momentum based 2d, the adventure or boost 3d, or even the "bad game" fame he's got-- is intrinsically tied to his identity as both a series and an icon. when pitching a reboot idea, i think the most important part is to really nail down what sonic will feel like to control, and how the game will play; and i feel like "it's kinda like ori but faster" is simply not enough, and will make people feel like too much of sonic is being lost in the reboot. i actually personally think that a world like this would actually really benefit from an expansive 3d world. i know it's a meme to make BOTW in every franchise these days, but this world does feel like it'd be really enjoyable to explore in a format like that. it'd really sell the theme of "freedom" sonic's got going on, a tight control scheme could allow for some platforming that hasn't really been pulled off before in a sonic game (which would sell the "new identity" and freshness of a reboot,) and the scale of an open world like that can pair really nicely with sonic's speed for the segments in which we don't want to slow him down with platforming and whatnot. maybe the "slow down" sections can actually be vistas we see as we move from area to area-- the breaks between the more active platforming and combat segments. it would always visually reinforce eggman's presence as well-- his industrial landscape becoming denser and more polluted the closer to the middle we go-- with the city being at the heart of his empire, a large skyscraper acting as the final base where he lives. i understand you're not interested in doing something like this again, so maybe the feedback will ring a little empty. but i thoroughly enjoyed sleeping on and thinking about sonic spirit to write this up. i hope you're doing well, and wish you luck with any future endeavors you take up on :)
Lovely comment. Thanks for taking the time to watch and and think about writing something so concise. I can see a lot of what you mean with the ending and those emerald ideas are incredible! I hear you on the gameplay, I think it's the weakest part of the video easily. In hindsight I wish that section wasn't here but ultimately every time I play rayman and ori I think. "damn, I wish sonic was like this." and it was one of the things that drove me to think about the idea in the first place!
If I make a sonic video it will hit people very quickly, if I don't, unfortunately it is likely the video won't take off at all. Something I'm just going to put behind me as I gotta focus on other stuff for my own sanity, but yeah it's weird to me as well.
I’d totally love to see a dynamic between Sonic and Tails where Tails is the vocal one and Sonic is still mute. Kinda like the dynamic between Tails and Classic Sonic in Forces.
I think I read that Sonic comic. Picked it up at a scholastic school fair, I think? (I believe it's a pretty faithful adaptation of the origin story in the US Sonic Bible, to boot?). I forget if I mentioned in my comment to your original video, but while I prefer sonic to be deliberately goofy rather overly serious, I could see that serious take on the franchise working, unlike... What often happens when they deliberately try and make Sonic serious where they accidentally make the whole thing impossible to take seriously. I mean, I love that in the right dose - Shadow the Edgelord is perfect - but not for the reasons they're going for when they try and go that route. One thing that your need to define what a reboot is caused me to realize... Video games seem to like to make a sequel, use the original name of a property, and call it a reboot. As illustrated by your using Dad of War footage. Which is a sequel to God of War 3 in terms of the story it's telling. Even Doom 2016 falls into that niche - It can only exist as a sequel to the original, maybe the original two. The Doomslayer is not only already familiar with demons, but demons already fear him. Doom 3 was more of a Doom reboot than Doom 2016. No wonder people in your comments were thinking Sonic 06 is a reboot rather than a sequel that helpfully takes place in it's own little timewarp and erases itself from continuity so we can pretend it never happened (except, sadly, for Blaze and how it ties in with Sonic Rush)
Interesting note in that when I originally wanted to make this I thought about making it a sequel to the sonic series in general in the same way breath of the wild continued on from and referenced multiple zelda games. I wanted to include little monuments to old sonic elements throughout the forest such as ancient sonic check point poles, giant rings, ancient relics etc.. Which would teach sonic abilities etc. He would essentially be tuning in with a previous sonic to hone his ability. Literally embodying the 'Sonic spirit' from the title. I ultimately dropped the idea as the video was getting out of control ambition wise and I needed to tailor some of it back, also felt it was a bit toooo breath of the wild and ori like as I had recently played both lol.
@@ArtistMarkFlynn Yeah, I don't think I like the idea of Sonic as a legacy hero, so I'm definitely glad you dropped that even if for different reasons.
I love your reboot concept. I can't think of anything I would change even if I try. I really wanna play this so could you try to make it an official playable game? Except will sonic have green or black eyes?
Mr the artist, have you ever considered doing more animated stories like you did with Sonic to other franchises such as Megaman? If yes then can you give us one?
This inspired a similar idea of my on. My idea is that the main cast was created as power sources for Robotnik's robots. Also, a twist at the end of the first arc is that Robotnik's mysterious investors in his company are actually evil aliens who want to take over earth. Also, the Metarex and are from Earth and created by Robotnik for his investors in my idea, and they are they are the main villains of the second arc. Also, everyone has a unique Super form, and the traditional Sonic super form is just how Sonic's looks.
There is another point and I think this will happen if Sonic Team will decide to do a reboot: all previous events will be ereased and new story will be made, sadly not this magnitude as your concept I fear. Aaaand everyone, who talking about a reboot, are expressing a desire to have a next classic or Sonic Adventure like game. Will be a great catch from the movie if writers will decide to continue their story in the game, THIS is a good start for a reboot I think.
Personally, I can’t wait for reboot video 3: and knuckles.
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Or better yet, Knuckles and Amy.
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@@amesstarline5482 Or even better: Sonic Reboot 3Knuckles, Amy, and Shado-
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I'm excited for reboot video cd
Jesus christ that intro was the most relatable thing I’ve ever seen
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Disagree or not with the idea, you cannot lie that the design for Sonic looks badass. Like damn, how can you not look at him and go “I wanna play as that”?
frr, i'm actually kinda diggin it surprisingly
i also love the lil detail that tails's scarf is based off his rhythm badge from sa 1
I swear, Sonic looks BANGER no matter what when it comes to the games he’s in
Wdym
Not wrong. Now I think Sonic boom version of him looks cool.
(It's the best redesign of Sonic I've seen so far in life)
@HlompKai
Fr tho. Boom Sonic with Game Sonic's proportions would actually go hard
I also just want to add that, whether intentional or not, Crash's origin story and Cortex's plan to make an army of mutant animals is just The Island of Dr. Moreau.
Honestly, I thought your reboot video was awesome and I’m kinda sad that you’ll never do something like it again...but hey, you’re the boss.
Honestly your Sonic AU idea was pretty cool even thought of some ideas that could work for example what if some of Sonics other friends like the Chaotix who didn't start out as antagonists started out as well antagonists maybe Robotnik used some mind device to make his creations work for him.
I like to think Eggman lost the access to Shadow after his grandfather died, and in an etempt to recreate him, Eggman created Sonic
That would be a pretty cool parallel, I always liked when sonic and shadow were two sides of the same coin. Which is why I like Jason griffith as sonic and shadow
And instead of using black doom, he used chaos energy
@@CoolGlasses01 so sonic was the faker all along
@@KrushinKay he was technically in the original games anyway
@@CoolGlasses01 Imagine if shadow was released around sonic cd, how different would things go
"45k views"
Bro that's honestly such a shame, that vid is so well done and deserves SO MUCH more attention.
Yeah this one too. Really enjoyed both and wish there were more to watch.
@@arsenal4444 Thanks guys, it's just the way it is! Glad you both enjoyed regardless :D
I really enjoyed the origin story. I think it could work. You’ve actually inspired me to develop my own Sonic series
Fun fact: when the Crash Bandicoot game was first designed, the designers called it "Sonic's Ass" because the question they aimed to answer is what a 3D character platformer would look like and the first answer they thought of was "You'd spend a lot of time staring at Sonic's ass."
Thank you for your response, I just really like your worldbuilding and concepts you brought up. I just wanted to see more of this world you created which I know it's kind of selfish, and if you don't wish to do more with this concept I'm cool with that. I just think it's really cool and unique especially for the blue blur! :)
Hey all! Sorry for the delay on this... I recorded an unscripted version a few days after releasing the reboot video... Didn't like it... Then decided to make the full video again (joy). I really wanted to follow up the initial video before putting this project to rest and address some of the comments that jumped out to me in particular. I'll be moving onto a few new games and topics after this, as well as returning to the character design series after a long break... Keep your eyes peeeled!
Big Credits on this video go out to WHY for both his Sonic Remixes, his channel is full of Sonic tracks among other gaming beats and can be found here: th-cam.com/users/Why_TheRemixGuy
Huge thanks for the thumbnail art.
Dupree (Tails Vector) twitter.com/dupreedraws
Max Pinelli (Sonic Art) twitter.com/maxpinelliart
Perp3tual (Eggman and Forest backdrop) twitter.com/Perp3tualMusic
Additional artwork in the video also by Ezno twitter.com/icant_draw and FortuneKitty instagram.com/7fortune_kitty7
Make sure you check out the twitter fan arts too! Twitter Handles are in the video!
WHOOOOAAAA!
I personally liked the shoes of this reboot so I got VERY inspired for my Sonic's shoes.
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ayo was not expecting you to use my remixes lol absolutely amazing :D
The finest remixes in town!
It’s funny I saw that video yesterday.
Honestly I personally enjoy it because it was what a reboot should logically be. Taking base concept and making it free again. Because that’s the sad reality of games with too much iconography. And in Sonics case it should have been like it’s competitor Mario focusing less on canon and more on standalone adventures that you can pick up and play. So this really did get me excited despite not being a fan for years.
Even more so I do believe that fans should take a step back and re evaluate what they love. Remember none of these games we love were multimillion franchises going on 30, they were built up from nothing but the personal themes of the creators. And I do feel you really did go back to what developer Yuji Naka wanted for the series with conflict between cool eco warrior and mad scientist.
The only real comment I want to give is your ending. The sad reality that people need to understand is that often times you only have one chance. Let’s say saga did buy this concept from you and built a game engine and announced it, economically you have to see if this game breaks even and get returns. So the ending was smart, throw away the egg trainers and let the ending sit with the player. And if it’s successful you can have the tails sequel. But it’s as you said, you have to be concise and that already made me excited. Disappointed that Boom didn’t work out this way.
Good luck with more videos, introduced through the Ganon video. And just hope there is always more to talk about.
Thank you! Cheers for sticking around since Ganon! You've honestly hit the nail on the head for me.. Running free with the original concept is always such a cool thing to do with any IP, let alone one with a history like Sonic!
@@ArtistMarkFlynn hell yeah to that! It can be very exciting since there are no bad ideas in any series. Robot duplicates, evil doppelgängers, ancient prophecies and new industries, it’s all under the lens of your title character. Like crash was mentioned a few times, sonic and crash had time travel in their continuity and both approached the game differently from both narrative and gameplay. So under your premise if familiar concepts show up it won’t be the same because it’s what this Sonic is seeing and not classic/modern/boom. Re-explore, see why these old stories were special and show others why they were. That is the path of all writers.
And I do plan on sticking around, always happy to see genuine creative vision and not just click bait.
Absolutely on your last paragraph - Let stories be standalone, let them have definitive endings. Not everything needs sequel bait, and often sequel bait hurts the work as an individual piece of media.
If Shadow can die at the end of SA2 and come back after his chapter closed, Sonic getting a new pair of shoes isn't that unrealistic.
Only thing I'd change from your original pitch is not to have Eggman be the source of Sonic's speed - rather, Eggman captures him and wants to use him as a test subject because of his speed. I'd also keep at least some of the animals anthro, maybe have them be a separate, older society that lives in the forests that people overlook or ostracize. Then you've got room to build toward stuff like Angel Island, the Emeralds, and so on. Other than that, it's great stuff! Wonderful work to you and your cohorts.
Don't forget to the another animals:
1. 2 hedgehogs (become to Amy Rose and Shadow)
2. An echidna (become to Knuckles)
3. An hawk (become to Jet)
4. An lemur (become to Tangle)
5. An flying squirrel (become to Ray)
6. An armadillo (become to Mighty)
7. An bobcat (Become to Big)
8. An crocodile (Become to Vector).
a chipmunk/squirrel (becomes Sally)
a rabbit (becomes Bunnie)
a walrus (becomes Rotor)
a coyote (becomes Antoine)
@@sezunemizuhana3870 Nope....
This characters like Sally Acorn, Bunnie Rabbit and Rotor the walrus can't apperer in the Five Sonic spirit games because is gone to the wasteland of SEGA. Only Antonie the coyote is appere in the Sonic Spirit the Lost Jewel game and the shorts animated of Sonic Spirit like the director of the School of Maria The Hedgehog.
I hope charmy and epsio appear
@@KAIJUSTIAN What about tangle then? She's part of archie and freedom fighters are too.
@@mauricehull1138 No, she is an IDW character, which is canon to the games. She never appeared in Archie.
I'd honestly be interested in seeing how you'd integrate characters Knuckles, Amy, Mighty, Ray, The Chaotix, Possibly the Hooligans too. I'm just really hooked on this Reboot world!!
Don't have much to add, but I wanna say that I really appreciate the fact that you wanted to make a complete story without teasing a sequel. I feel like too much of modern media is prewritten with plot holes in order leave room for sequels (read: more cash), to the point that finding complete stories in ANYTHING is super rare these days. Not that there's anything wrong with that from a purely artistic viewpoint, but I feel like it often cheapens the theme of a story if it's not handled correctly, which it rarely is.
Omg I saw this 3minutes after it uploaded this is the quickest I’ve seen a video
Ah, phew. Saying you don't want to do something as lengthy again worried me, but I'm incredibly relieved to hear you'll keep at it with lots of bite-sized ones. I'm genuinely enjoying this series of fresh takes, and am curious what you might come up with for other fictional properties. Reinventing while going back to the roots for a series can result in fantastic bursts of creativity, which is something you clearly appreciated about the new Rayman. It worked fantastically for Breath of the Wild, too. Just as you say, it can flop sometimes, like you example of Devil May Cry. Very valid points. In this particular case, with the Sonic property, it seems to keep coming back to the unique connection with the fan base, which is both a strength and a hindrance. Just like the movie, Mania, and so forth, some awesome stuff can come from the public, so I for one encourage it. Sure, there's going to be some qq here and there, but so long as your work results in some smiles and happiness, there's some true worth there.
Thanks for all your hard work, please keep it up!
I'll still be making content, but just general video essays about lots of different topics and my usual character design stuff! The reboot ended up taking almost my time up for a year and I gotta do some other stuff now for my brains sake lol
4:49 all those Easter eggs with the red echidna, or a black hedgehog!
My brain has never even registered most of these looking at it 😂
Ohh all of the characters in this universe are experiments
Fantastic follow up! I'd love to see a design evolution of shulk :)
The real question is, will you make a sequel video?
Sequel video is on my channel
So happy to be early! Love your content and your ideas and you present them in a way that's easy to digest but also informational ♥️
I really liked the first video and actually gave my ideas on how a potential sequel would work there. I actually also had the idea of Tails being a creation of Eggman and making new shoes for Sonic
I really liked the reboot video, I thought it was pretty good, and I easily came with a sequel idea myself. I thought it was great. And since watching that I've toyed around with my own reboot ideas. Although since my first Sonic game was Sonic Colors. it was more inspired by the modern games.
Been a Sonic fan for more than 20 years. After watching these videos im heavily tempted into making my own interpretation of a reboot/reimagining of Sonic. I bet i can do the opposite of Mark's interpretation and keep as much as the source material (at least from the mainline games up until SA2/Heroes) while still making more sense than the actual canon. I've thinking this shit for years
Perfect as a spin-off,
Idk bout yall but spin offs like this
Or riders are what give the series that bump
Isn’t Tails here just Coco Bandicoot’s retroactive origin
Amazing
I'm dissapointed to see that people blindly see this as a "rip-off" of Crash Bandicoot instead of knowing that Sonic predates him 5 years
i can imagine knuckles in the second spirit game, trying to beat sonic, making sonic get the shoes back where he once left them, as eggman had an idea to fight fire with fire, while also creating another eggman shoes (that knuckles wears), and try to beat sonic in at least after 5 or 6 zones, after sonic makes knuckles realize that eggman was destroying his home he once knew, he decides to team up with sonic!, would be cool ngl
Honestly I love this idea and wish I thought of it but glad it exists. Can u "reboot" a few other classics? That would be amazing though u don't have to.
I'd love to do the whole thing again for Zelda, this genuinely stopped me from any other videos for a year though so not sure if I want to end up doing a similar project again as it stands lol
I thought the original video was really good. And this one adds on to why the idea sounds really interesting
Isn't this video just a response to youtube comments? It should have been a spin off, not a main channel video :P
Great stuff man. The original video is great
not disappointed on being subbed! love your content :)
I really like how you desingned Sonic, Tails, Metal Sonic, n Eggman, they look very cool n modern, n about the gameplay, sounds really interesting cause it could be something more platform but with speed moments XD, but yeah i like how u maded a story for this reboot n how this concept reminds me of Rayman n Super Mario, n that's all i have to say
I love the fact I commented about a reboot and now I have found the 2nd vid in the same video
I loved your first video, but I think I gotta clarify a few points you debated in this one (with respect).
For the reboot part:
As I mentioned in a comment before, people want this to be more of a spin-off due to it changing what they like about the franchise. I'm sure Boom would have been trashed to the ground even with great games if Sega made it the main focus of the franchise. Like I mentioned before, the thing about Sonic is that it's so broad everyone has a favorite one. Whether it be 2D (fan-games, classic era and Mania), 3D (Adventure and Boost) or other. So, for many, getting away with other gameplay styles would be jarring.
Story/Sequels
As for the sequel part, you made a great point for a sequel.
However, I think what shocked people the most is that it didn't acknowledge many stuff from the post-classic era. As I said before, Sonic has transcended the original "nature vs technology" themes and many people like that more. It relates to my point about change and not wanting things to suddenly change.
Crash comparisons:
Yeah, no. It's similar, but it's not the same.
Hope you see this and reply because I really would wanna read your insight.
Keep up with the great work!!
I like the idea, but I wouldn’t want it to replace what we have now.
Do you want this game concept have hand drawned backgrounds and sprits.
I know it won't happen, but I would love to see you build on this reboot video idea a little further; there seems to be so much potential here
Here's what I would call the levels of Sonic Spirit.
1. Plantation Paradise
2. Blackgold Beach
3. Mountaintop Mines
4. Sunny-Side Streets
5. Scrambled Storeroom
6. Ovoid Offices
7. Final Fallback (Where Sonic and Eggman go through the levels again)
Also, I would call the hypothetical sequel "Sonic Soul"
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That's very interesting! And just to expand upon your idea, I have several points that fascinate me. Specifically, what kind of music could the reboot feature?
I'm curious to see if Sonic's "power-ups" will remain the same including his super forms.
Can you please do a part 3 about knuckles and maybe Amy?? I’d love to see what ideas you’d come up with for them both 🙏
These videos where amazing, love the ideas you brought to the table and I'm definitely gonna sub! Looking forward to any content you put out!
I would love a rough sketch of a sequel. Orrrrr maybe a different series! Maybe like Star fox or something like that! Btw Great job!! 👏
Thanks for the idea! Personally if I was EEEEVER to do something like this again... It'd probably be for Zelda, but to be honest I can't see it happening any time soon lol (or ever) that end screen wasn't a lie!
Even if this couldnt be an idea taken by sega this should totally be a real fan made game I really like this concept and it would be awesome to see
Another great vid Marky boy!
This video
-has words and voiceover in it
- talks about videogames
- is on TH-cam
dude come on, stop trying to rip off PewDiePie!!
🤦♂️ Please tell me you are joking.
Thank you!
if theres ever a third one to be made, i hope it involves knuckles and i hope his design includes echidna clan attributes
I think the sonic community is just scared of change. But at the same time, I've never personally seen an idea I can get behind when it comes to rebooting the series.
However, that may just be because I find the whole thing unnecessary. Sonic can be a great series if it just gets back on track. And I don't think a reboot is how we get to that. Quality games with strong narrative is enough.
I think that's fair. Most fanbases have an element of fear about change... Me included (hence the backlash to movie sonic). With stuff like this I aways think it's better to try though if things feel stale!
great job cant wait
Hi everyone! Hope you all have a great day!
Listening to this and the previous video, You could do small, quick stories of the characters.
Like Knuckles, He isn't the last of his tribe, but the last warrior of his tribe. And the Chaos Emeralds only show up when he is introduced. (Maybe make the Chaos Emeralds, gems connected to nature itself?)
For Amy, she had been rescued by Sonic a few times, mainly due to Eggman's destruction of the environment. Sonic had to save her from a few falling trees or something. Maybe Amy is a reporter and that's why she kept being in danger?
Maybe for Shadow, the raid of the Ark was not the same. There were no weapons made. Just people having to be brought back down due to funding being ended. Shadow is a heavily modified being, but he is one of many. Maria still died early, but not as violently. So Shadow never had a revenge arc. Maybe Eggman tricks Shadow to fight and/or race Sonic and how Eggman knows Shadow is because Shadow stayed friends with the Robotnik family. No edge, just a guy who cares about people.
Of course, maybe make it a point that the animal and human characters also exist together, and treated as normal? There is plenty to look into for an idea like this. Plenty of backstories that can change without convolution being needed. There is plenty here that needn't be so in depth. Just a few quick videos you could make on characters and what they might be doing or will do as an idea if you'd wanna do so.
I could TRY to put a team together to turn this into an actual fan game but idk really where to start. The only thing I know is that I love this concept and I really want to see it in a playable form
Damn i was one of the people thinking “oh theres really no way to make a sequel” and you just hit me with the example of one of my favorite video game franchises (little nightmares) like damn you got me i felt specifically targeted
Ok rather I agree with your points or not spoiler I actually did like a few of them oddly enough. ( As I'm a huge fan of the adventure games and wish they kept THAT kind of gameplay and storytelling ) but your ideas weren't bad at all. So I'mma say this, don't let people who can't see another opinion as just that and stop making these kinds of videos. I'd love to hear more ideas. Even if I don't like them or do.. the point of them is to hear them out and have a adult like chat about em. Not be babies and cry about different opinions.. so I say bring them on dude. Also you gained a sub cause I liked the vids. DON'T JUDGE ME MARK! You have no soul :O
How would you have done with knuckles and shadow for this world
I wish you would've addressed the gameplay criticisms me and many others have. I loved the video, as well as your other videos, but I do not think Sonic should have a run button. It ruins the entire point of Sonic, as it makes momentum which all the 2d games focused on, and makes it an instantaneous ability, which isn't even necessarily how the boost games handled it, because in those boost could run out and in some scenarios it would endanger you if you spammed it. However the story concept worked a lot in my opinion, and I was glad to hear you came up with a sequel, because I did not want it to end that quickly. Overall good video, but I wished you would've addressed the gameplay criticisms more.
Can't go into everything in deep detail my dude I'm afraid. Like I said in the pinned comment already I ended up recording and edited this twice! It takes a lotta time lol
Fair enough if you don't think it should have a run button. I do! Rayman has such a good feeling of momentum and I get real good instant gratification being able to speed up instantly.
Regardless I do think gameplay was the weakest part of that video. I am not a game dev and am just chatting shit basically.
you should've never said you were never gonna do it again people are always gonna want more
I was waiting for this
0:15 I'm not even going to read that comment because it is going to make me not want to play the reboot
I love this video. Hey, The Artist Mark Flynn what made you do a sequel video.
One little thing that I’ll think will be neat is tails being a cyborg named t.a.i.l.s. An acronym for something idk and was created by egg man in his early stages of turning animals into robots thing
here is a idea on how to introduce some adventure era characters
chaos-a synthetic creation of eggman that harnessed the power of the chaos emeralds
shadow-eggman started a project called "terios" which had him trying to recreate what made sonic so fast exactly but the terios formula had a problem it gave more than speed it gave space manipulation and energy contruct creation(maybe time manipulation). due to eggman, terios started to see humans in a negative light but made a friend in eggmans company named maria which during a conflict was killed which sparked terios now calling himself shadow to honor maria becuse maria told him" you are a shadow of my boss's ultimate rival"
Are you planning on making more Sonic Spirit videos?
Not at the moment
Honestly I really do like this concept for a Sonic Reboot. While a reboot may not be what the franchise really needs it’s still pretty cool. If you ever do explore more into this concept then I’d like to see other factors from the original sonic story introduced into this concept like the Chaos Emeralds or possibly other characters like Knuckles being introduced as side experiments that Robotnik had created sometime before Sonic’s origin.
If there is a Sonic 3&k reboot, I think it would be great. You could really show the ancient magic and beautiful nature of Angel Island being destroyed by Robotnik. Knuckles could keep his character ark of working with Robotnik, seeing his damage, and joins Sonic and Tails. I could see Angel Island being a representation of ancient ruins and hidden magic that would be ruined by Robotnik's company. That's some of the reasons I think Sonic 3&K would be awesome in this rebooted universe.
While there are still some aspects of the original video I disagree with, this follow up has changed my mind on some of my knee jerk reactions to that ending.
Honestly, while I would love to see another video about Sonic 2, I also understand if that’s a large undertaking.
I mean atleast this guy understands sonic is supposed to be cool and not whatever that other guy was
Coming from someone that really liked your concept and found originality in many aspects of it, with all respect, even with your elaboration, I still think it's too similiar to Crash, even the western version of Sonic's world (which you claim to have to got your inspirations from) had anthropomorphic animals as part of the world and not a creation of Robotnik, which not only it made it more distinguishable but it makes introducing other characters more easier as the series would go gon, this setting instead makes all the anthros experiments from Eggman/Robotnik which makes it a lot more Crash-like, I am very surprised you didn't take more inspiration from Dragon Ball instead since it was the source of inspiration for a lot of concept of the first half of the series (up to 2006, really, Trunks was references in guides by SEGA in relation to Silver The Hedgehog) and go for anthros living along with humans idea, which is less seen and fleshed out (even the Sonic canon) than the lab experiments one.
Ok, you know what, I just found my new favorite Tails design
5:51 what is this comic? i can't find it anywhere on youtube
i love your designs great job dude
I love your Reboot Sonic design!❤❤❤
3:30 yes, sonic does enjoy to lounge around whenever, as seen by the ovas intro, and the games. but Sonic also very much loves the speed, he likes to run, it makes him feel free. I definitely agree he would like to discard the Eggman industries kicks, given whats happened, he should also probably go back to find his old shoes or something. Sonic is very much identified to represent the wind; his fast and free-flowing nature couldn't work, or at least work well, without the speed he has. Just look at sonic free riders' song Free. A lot of the music reprisents these characters and how they think or act or why they act. A main motif in Sonic's music is how free he feels because of the speed.
This works better then the redesign sonic video
Because unlike that video it doesn’t disrespect sonic manly just looks at him in a different sense
I loved the idea but I feel like Sonic always going fast was a detail that needed to stay. But it's your video so there's nothing stopping you
Here’s an idea: theoretically, if this was a game, it should be 2.5D.
hey! i'm a bit late to this and sadly might've missed the feedback train-- but i'd still love to throw in my two cents. i missed my chance with the first "dear sega" video where the toxicity closed the video down and damn it i won't let it happen again. really long post incoming, i'm sorry about that. but just like how you were inspired, so was i!
this isn't necessarily the direction i would take the series in, but i can appreciate the love and thought that was put into it regardless and it would be something i would love to play so i could see where that passion leads the game to feel and play like. i'm with you that the setting and overall structure of the story is still very much reminiscent of what makes sonic, sonic (as opposed to the original "dear sega,"). sonic will still look and act cocky, he'll still be a freedom fighter with a tint (not much of a tint this time) of an ecological message, and he'll still be fighting against eggman. that's all you really need.
my main points are in two different areas:
1) the story, or rather; the ending.
2) the gameplay, which i know wasn't your focus
starting with the story, i would still tentatively say that the outline of the narrative does lend itself to "writing yourself into a hole." it's not that bad, and you show how a sequel can fit in after-- and i agree completely with self-contained stories being something that is sorely lacking these days, that MCU screenshot paired in the video gave me a feeling of dread lmao-- but i would say that it has a sense of finality that it doesn't need to have, while still never implying anything beyond its scope, and being perfectly capable of existing on its own.
i think a really important component of this reboot is that it needs to be contextualized into sonic's history. it would come in after 30 years of history in his franchise, with an established identity and fanbase. maybe this is the point of separation between our perspectives-- but even a complete reboot back to the story's roots would need, in my opinion, a certain note of celebration about the history, and invigoration for the future. something like "and here's to 30 more years!" you know?
it doesn't really need to be explicit, and i don't think most of the game goes against this message. but the ending, specifically the "sonic takes off his shoes, walks off, and we see a timeskip in which eggman's empire has fallen and been reclaimed by nature," bit has a sense of finality that you might've not intended when it's put into that context. it reads to me that the message SEGA would send in an universe where this game comes out would be "it's been 30 years, and it's finally over."
i agree that it's within sonic's character to just relax and laze off if he's not called to action. the image of sonic OVA comes to mind, in which he refuses to help tails out at the beginning of the movie because he's just trying to sleep, or the imagery you picked of sonic sleeping in adventure 1. but i think the concept of sonic taking his shoes off and walking off strikes a really strong chord that hasn't been played with before, and one i'm not sure would be the right one to playin this context. it's a perfectly fine ending in the self-contained narrative of the small story of one game-- and i understand that you want to keep it as The One Game, no strings attached-- but this One Game already exists within a franchise that's being rebooted. the ending also fits into a meta narrative; and reads as the chapter being closed for Sonic, as a whole. him taking off the shoes is some really, /really/ striking imagery that's never been done before (to my knowledge) in any capacity outside niche comic stories. they're the defining feature of his character. were a sequel to come out (it doesn't have to,) tails making him new shoes would actually cheapen that moment. why get rid of them, only to give them back the moment we start back up? there could be a message there, that sonic isn't just "eggman's creation" anymore, and he's not alone anymore either. his new friend tails gives him the new (metaphorical and literal) shoes to stand on-- which hooks into another important part of sonic again-- but we don't really need for him to take off the original shoes at the end of the first game to carry that message across. they could easily break in the second one or something and that'd still fit perfectly well. and a sequel is outside of the scope of the original video, so it wasn't ever a real setup for that sort of message, either.
i dunno. it feels like it's imagery that, even unknowingly or unintentionally, sends a really deep message that'll either be wasted or go against the point of what a 30th anniversary reboot should do.
if i were to suggest an alternative way to handle this: let's reintroduce one more concept from sonic into the mix. a chaos emerald. not the chaos emeralds, just /a/ chaos emerald. this emerald could be the source of eggman's industrial might. it would be what is eventually distilled into whatever substance gave sonic his powers, and it would be what metal sonic harnesses to match and surpass sonic as well. in the final showdown, metal's victory is due to the fact that eggman's directly equipped him with the emerald-- finally perfecting his design. at the end of the fight, metal's about to kill sonic but gives him the emerald instead (or maybe sonic simply picks it up after metal's killed, whichever works best,) which will then explain the "burst of energy" he gets when he eventually beats all of eggman's metal sonic designs and whatnot.
the ending sequence is then replaced from sonic taking his shoes off and walking off, to him running off into the forest, littered with industrial waste and rubble from the battle. the emerald, combined with sonic's power, (and maybe this can be an interesting concept for the battle as well) leaves a trail of energy that heals the greenery and foliage around the wreckage where sonic runs. we can now keep the timeskip and metal sonic memorial: there's an interesting implication that sonic healed his home, and we can see him sleeping nearby; keeping the character trait of him relaxing when he's not needed.
the second point is thankfully a lot shorter than this-- i already wrote a massive wall-- and is a smaller critique of how i feel like you overlooked far too much about how the game would play. i understand that you're more of a writer than a game designer; but part of the appeal of sonic and games as a whole is how gameplay fits into narrative and can define a character's and franchise's identity. i understand games like rayman and ori are clearly ones you hold very close to you and inspire a lot of your choices for sonic spirit, but the fact that all you can point to is that it's a lot easier said than done to get the gameplay of this right, and a rough outline of the games you like and would like the game to feel close to, really undermines the entire concept. i think it's a shame, because it's obviously the weakest link in the entire video and can tie into the "you just want to make crash/rayman/ori again but with sonic slapped on it" arguments really easily, even if i think they're unwarranted. sonic's gameplay-- whether the momentum based 2d, the adventure or boost 3d, or even the "bad game" fame he's got-- is intrinsically tied to his identity as both a series and an icon. when pitching a reboot idea, i think the most important part is to really nail down what sonic will feel like to control, and how the game will play; and i feel like "it's kinda like ori but faster" is simply not enough, and will make people feel like too much of sonic is being lost in the reboot. i actually personally think that a world like this would actually really benefit from an expansive 3d world. i know it's a meme to make BOTW in every franchise these days, but this world does feel like it'd be really enjoyable to explore in a format like that. it'd really sell the theme of "freedom" sonic's got going on, a tight control scheme could allow for some platforming that hasn't really been pulled off before in a sonic game (which would sell the "new identity" and freshness of a reboot,) and the scale of an open world like that can pair really nicely with sonic's speed for the segments in which we don't want to slow him down with platforming and whatnot. maybe the "slow down" sections can actually be vistas we see as we move from area to area-- the breaks between the more active platforming and combat segments. it would always visually reinforce eggman's presence as well-- his industrial landscape becoming denser and more polluted the closer to the middle we go-- with the city being at the heart of his empire, a large skyscraper acting as the final base where he lives.
i understand you're not interested in doing something like this again, so maybe the feedback will ring a little empty. but i thoroughly enjoyed sleeping on and thinking about sonic spirit to write this up. i hope you're doing well, and wish you luck with any future endeavors you take up on :)
Lovely comment. Thanks for taking the time to watch and and think about writing something so concise. I can see a lot of what you mean with the ending and those emerald ideas are incredible! I hear you on the gameplay, I think it's the weakest part of the video easily. In hindsight I wish that section wasn't here but ultimately every time I play rayman and ori I think. "damn, I wish sonic was like this." and it was one of the things that drove me to think about the idea in the first place!
For a sec forgot that this isn't actually a Sonic channel.
If I make a sonic video it will hit people very quickly, if I don't, unfortunately it is likely the video won't take off at all. Something I'm just going to put behind me as I gotta focus on other stuff for my own sanity, but yeah it's weird to me as well.
I’d totally love to see a dynamic between Sonic and Tails where Tails is the vocal one and Sonic is still mute. Kinda like the dynamic between Tails and Classic Sonic in Forces.
I think it would be funny if you added a un-mutated bandicoot as a cameo or as a gag
Tbh i don't think sonic needs a reboot, a soft reboot would be better in my opinion, but this reboot wouldn't be as bad as sonic boom tbh
Your concepts here do remind me of the classic days, especially the SatAM-based Archie comics!
I think I read that Sonic comic. Picked it up at a scholastic school fair, I think? (I believe it's a pretty faithful adaptation of the origin story in the US Sonic Bible, to boot?). I forget if I mentioned in my comment to your original video, but while I prefer sonic to be deliberately goofy rather overly serious, I could see that serious take on the franchise working, unlike... What often happens when they deliberately try and make Sonic serious where they accidentally make the whole thing impossible to take seriously. I mean, I love that in the right dose - Shadow the Edgelord is perfect - but not for the reasons they're going for when they try and go that route.
One thing that your need to define what a reboot is caused me to realize... Video games seem to like to make a sequel, use the original name of a property, and call it a reboot. As illustrated by your using Dad of War footage. Which is a sequel to God of War 3 in terms of the story it's telling. Even Doom 2016 falls into that niche - It can only exist as a sequel to the original, maybe the original two. The Doomslayer is not only already familiar with demons, but demons already fear him. Doom 3 was more of a Doom reboot than Doom 2016. No wonder people in your comments were thinking Sonic 06 is a reboot rather than a sequel that helpfully takes place in it's own little timewarp and erases itself from continuity so we can pretend it never happened (except, sadly, for Blaze and how it ties in with Sonic Rush)
Interesting note in that when I originally wanted to make this I thought about making it a sequel to the sonic series in general in the same way breath of the wild continued on from and referenced multiple zelda games. I wanted to include little monuments to old sonic elements throughout the forest such as ancient sonic check point poles, giant rings, ancient relics etc.. Which would teach sonic abilities etc. He would essentially be tuning in with a previous sonic to hone his ability. Literally embodying the 'Sonic spirit' from the title.
I ultimately dropped the idea as the video was getting out of control ambition wise and I needed to tailor some of it back, also felt it was a bit toooo breath of the wild and ori like as I had recently played both lol.
@@ArtistMarkFlynn Yeah, I don't think I like the idea of Sonic as a legacy hero, so I'm definitely glad you dropped that even if for different reasons.
I love your reboot concept. I can't think of anything I would change even if I try. I really wanna play this so could you try to make it an official playable game? Except will sonic have green or black eyes?
Mr the artist, have you ever considered doing more animated stories like you did with Sonic to other franchises such as Megaman? If yes then can you give us one?
I wanna see how well u do Silver the Hedgehog Future's Hope & Psi Masters
This inspired a similar idea of my on. My idea is that the main cast was created as power sources for Robotnik's robots. Also, a twist at the end of the first arc is that Robotnik's mysterious investors in his company are actually evil aliens who want to take over earth. Also, the Metarex and are from Earth and created by Robotnik for his investors in my idea, and they are they are the main villains of the second arc. Also, everyone has a unique Super form, and the traditional Sonic super form is just how Sonic's looks.
There is another point and I think this will happen if Sonic Team will decide to do a reboot: all previous events will be ereased and new story will be made, sadly not this magnitude as your concept I fear. Aaaand everyone, who talking about a reboot, are expressing a desire to have a next classic or Sonic Adventure like game. Will be a great catch from the movie if writers will decide to continue their story in the game, THIS is a good start for a reboot I think.
How did you feel about the backstory I gave you from the Japanese manual?
imagine that sonic finds out that robotnik has multiple factories around the world
That's an awesome idea!
Man your vids are AMAZING
Thanks!
We really need one, Ken and Warren just....are so bad and I want good writers take over, please just make the stories good.
My guy
brotha to brotha
imma need that first song at 0:22
been looking for it for years
Sonic Intro Remix is from OC Remix's 'The Sound of Speed': OA - "A, B, C, Start!" by Halc, OA
Available from: sos.ocremix.org/
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