Chris Harris Drives: Porsche 911R Vs Peugeot 205 Rallye | Top Gear

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  • Subscribe: bit.ly/SubscribeToTopGear Chris Harris compares and contrasts the Porsche 911R and the Peugeot 205 Rallye.
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  • @BosnishMaffia
    @BosnishMaffia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2147

    Chris Harris just raised the price of the Peugeot 205 by 200 % 😂😂

    • @deldridg
      @deldridg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      BosnishMaffia My thoughts exactly. I considered checking out the classifieds for one as a toy but, as you rightly say... :-)

    • @pgn666
      @pgn666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      205 rallye was priced high, even before this episode :)

    • @pgn666
      @pgn666 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      www.mobile.de/pl/samochod/peugeot-205-rallye/vhc:car,ms1:19300_7_rallye

    • @janosch8145
      @janosch8145 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah, i've got a 205 CTI 1.9!

    • @dreammfyre
      @dreammfyre 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      BosnishMaffia Zlatans next car?

  • @AdrianosClassicGarage
    @AdrianosClassicGarage 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1388

    I really appreciate videos from a true car guy like Chris.

    • @rudolfvanderven
      @rudolfvanderven 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Was about to say this. I don't think anyone expected Top Gear to exist longer than a year after the three spoilt kids had left, but thanks to Chris I actually enjoy Top Gear more than I used to!

    • @tidez4424
      @tidez4424 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Likewise

    • @rosscanning9040
      @rosscanning9040 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Adriano's Classic 500 i

    • @00ruva00
      @00ruva00 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Adriano's Classic 500 true

    • @Jay-ru3mu
      @Jay-ru3mu 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      you would appreciate it would'nt you Adriano you dont pay for it Eu parasite :) :)

  • @drivewaystar6485
    @drivewaystar6485 6 ปีที่แล้ว +907

    Driving slow cars quickly is so much more fun than driving fast cars slowly

    • @ajw1045
      @ajw1045 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      James May says the same. You can drive Hatchbacks on the limit more. Driving can be alot more fun then. You can have a much faster 458 driving on these roads, but because it's so technical and does alot for you if you think about it, it misses that pure pure driving experience like this 205 has.

    • @MichaelSeeds
      @MichaelSeeds 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      it is true, I have a impreza spec c and a 1.6 impreza. I love the 1.6 just as much.

    • @00ruva00
      @00ruva00 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Joey Komosa so true

    • @hashim11989
      @hashim11989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I heard this about motorbikes and as I get faster and faster I appreciate how much the slow bikes make you work and how much they reward you. I don't care about speed, I don't care to have the latest and greatest tech, I love driving for the essence of it.

    • @deathcab4booty
      @deathcab4booty 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      The fun level goes, in order from most fun to least fun:
      • Fast car fast
      • Slow car fast
      • Fast car medium
      • Fast car slow

  • @tmh44
    @tmh44 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Chris gets it--driving isn't about speed or numbers, it's about the experience and the FEEL of the thing. Running a scrappy hot hatch down a back road is one of life's greatest pleasures.

    • @joshbacon8241
      @joshbacon8241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Proof that you don’t need a million horsepower to have huge amounts of fun driving a car!

  • @gotzvonberlichingen8588
    @gotzvonberlichingen8588 5 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Peugeot got a handbrake, Porsche not.
    Peugeot: 1
    Porsche: 0

  • @harmtijssens
    @harmtijssens 6 ปีที่แล้ว +671

    Chris Harris is in a class of his own, keep up the good work!

    • @wernerderwerners
      @wernerderwerners 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Yeah...he is the only reason why I continue to watch topgear

    • @Redzo79
      @Redzo79 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guy has charisma of a tractor.

  • @neohimself
    @neohimself 6 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    Chris is incredible, really takes the focus away from numbers (which are irrelevant most of the time) to feelings when you drive (which is the most important most of the time). well done :)

    • @deldridg
      @deldridg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      neohimself My sentiments exactly. Big numbers mean a lot less than raw emotive engagement. I remember moving from a Ducati ST2 to a new CBR1100 many years ago. Far more capable, tons more torque/hp, far quicker but nowhere near the emotional experience. I guess the biggest numbers win for those who haven't yet really cottoned on to the driving spirit.

    • @paullefrancois6585
      @paullefrancois6585 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's why it's always better to test a car before buying it ^^

  • @nunzioamitrano2232
    @nunzioamitrano2232 6 ปีที่แล้ว +329

    Chris is in a league of his own as a motoring journalist

    • @alphalobster8021
      @alphalobster8021 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nunzio Amitrano savagegeese is THE man at the other end of the car spectrum.

    • @kl75182
      @kl75182 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I also really like Jethro from Drivetribe, he was at EVO before

    • @youbian
      @youbian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We can thank his camera crew as well.

    • @domzbu
      @domzbu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Carfection and Henry catchpole is good too

  • @suderp8583
    @suderp8583 6 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    This is a more serious approach to car reviews, which is pretty enjoyable

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It also helps owners of less than supercar, but yet still fun cars to not feel like they're missing out because they are not mega rich. So many video reviewers fawn over the latest 0-60 in 2.8 second wonder and seem oblivious to the fact that they are generally owned by people who can barely drive them, or car flippers who don't love them. There should be more vids along the lines of "Most satisfying cars you can buy for ten grand".

  • @fernandorodrigues1939
    @fernandorodrigues1939 6 ปีที่แล้ว +448

    Chris just demonstrated what I have being trying to tell al my mate, speed is not every thing, the feeling and involvement is much more interesting for a great drive...
    But as usual it is just my opinion... I may and often am wrong! :)

    • @musiccylinderK6
      @musiccylinderK6 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Part of why driving an oldtimer/classic is so darn enjoyble

    • @666louis
      @666louis 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Also, in a modern car to have fun, you are in regions of speed that are criminal to say the least. Never had more fun driving than the time I rented a 110hp Caterham Super 7. 120kp/h on a country road feels like 200 in a modern car.

    • @GravyyTrain
      @GravyyTrain 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I never thought like this.. I always drove just performance cars but Im thinking I might have been ignorant. yes. you can't drive fast on the street, but to be honest you can't push an old sports car on the street either.

    • @houssamalucad753
      @houssamalucad753 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      666louis get a BRZ then or the GT86.
      Same concept.

    • @fernandorodrigues1939
      @fernandorodrigues1939 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It is not about the pure speed, but about the engagement... in some cars you don't need to go very fast to have fun, and that is what I was refering to... bus it is just an opinion I am not correct or wrong nor are you, just diferent prespectives.

  • @douglaspealing5608
    @douglaspealing5608 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    This video basically reinforces what I've been trying to tell my mates for years now. It's not about how fast your car is on the public road, it's how involved you are in the driving process. Sure, on track I'd take any one of my mates cars over mine, but I can have just as much fun with a lot less danger to my licence as they can, for a lot less money... on the public road at least. When your doing 95km/h and redlining your 1.5 diesel, on the limit of adhesion with your doorhandles on the road, left foot braking, heel and toe, trail braking, everything you've got just trying to keep up with your mate in his Subaru WRX, and hold on to the car as it moves around underneath you, you finish the drive, with the car hotter than hot, the brakes gone and yourself knackered, with the biggest grin in the world. Not because you managed to keep up with him, although that is partly it, but because of how involved you were in the process of keeping up, completely focused on nailing that apex, holding the slight loss of traction, managing the understeer and enjoying the oversteer, it really is hard to explain.

    • @robair67
      @robair67 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Couldn't have put it any better myself!

  • @abdelhameedbarqawi2907
    @abdelhameedbarqawi2907 6 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    After i finished watching the video i took my keys and went for a drive ... only great journalists make u feel that way 👌🏻

  • @erikhertzer8434
    @erikhertzer8434 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Harris is the single greatest car reviewer alive today...articulate, brilliant behind the wheel, personable...humorous....hes got it all. Deserves his own network show.

  • @RickGraham
    @RickGraham 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Thought it was you I drove past in Lutterworth. Knew I wasn't imagining things. CH is the man!

  • @IULENZA
    @IULENZA 6 ปีที่แล้ว +637

    This is THE proof that Chris is the best car journalist ever

    • @user-gq9bx7nh2p
      @user-gq9bx7nh2p 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andre Tennis こー

    • @claudiomunoz471
      @claudiomunoz471 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Every video he makes is proof

    • @ajay0841
      @ajay0841 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      and his insane disease of plugging porsches. even from his pre-top gear videos.

    • @topfitnessssss
      @topfitnessssss 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      U think so ?? What's ur problem ? lol How do u define arrogance really ? He's explaining us the way it feels in a joyful passionate way unless Clarkson who's a true arrogant lil prick !! Open ur eyes ..

    • @DennisH22A
      @DennisH22A 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      hard NOT to plug porsches when they are so good most of the time. I got to drive an old cayman once and it was pretty darn awesome

  • @Lucas-ck1po
    @Lucas-ck1po 6 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Can't wait to leave work today and just drive home. No happy our or anything in particular but the drive itself. Anyone ever felt the same way here?

    • @CDA43
      @CDA43 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea, when I watch these I appreciate my car more. It's not especially special to anyone else or supercar fast, but I do find myself noticing different things and driving more intently. I understand.

  • @TheCloudhopper
    @TheCloudhopper 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Watch at 2:18 Yes, he just did that. There is a lot of substance behind it when this man talks. Chris we love you!

  • @dominodon81
    @dominodon81 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Chris is the model example of a true Car enthusiast. He reminds us constantly that being a car enthusiast is about chasing the driving experience, rather than trying to be that guy with more horsepower than everybody else. Of course, that perfect driving experience will be different from driver to driver, but that's the beauty of it. Drive what makes you happy, not what catches everyone else's attention, or meets the approval of others.

  • @achintyaaatreya
    @achintyaaatreya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A person who really knows what driving is all about. Great guy.

  • @stuartcampbell8995
    @stuartcampbell8995 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I had a Renault 5 turbo when I was 21....brings back good memories...and I had a escort xr3i too with pepper pot alloys...old school

    • @stuartcampbell8995
      @stuartcampbell8995 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Krzysztof Dolecki I'm talking 30 years ago now

    • @eSysmanSuperYachts
      @eSysmanSuperYachts 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stuart Campbell those alloys...

    • @kayzenl7911
      @kayzenl7911 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In France, people still talk about 5 turbo against NA 205 GTI. It's like a dual that never stopped here haha

  • @phillipjames13
    @phillipjames13 6 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    please do actual Top Gear like this, and not the cartoon character you were made to play.

    • @JonasRosenven
      @JonasRosenven 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's nice when a car show lets the cars be the stars instead of its hosts, right?

    • @StefanoMaggio
      @StefanoMaggio 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you're describing Fifth Gear, but unfortunately nobody watched it so... axed it got...

    • @dragospahontu
      @dragospahontu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StefanoMaggio true that

  • @TheChocolateyGoodnes
    @TheChocolateyGoodnes 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This is exactly why I keep my e36 M3. Though the world may have passed it by in performance, I always smile like a big idiot when I drive it. My AMG Mercedes will blow it into the weeds in acceleration, but I never take the long way home when I drive it. The old m3 always finds me taking the scenic route. Chris, I completely get it.

    • @stanislavpavlov6311
      @stanislavpavlov6311 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      TheChocolateyGoodnes I still don't know why people hate the e36 it's a truly amazing car to drive. Same goes for Peugeot....yeah sure they forgot how to make cars but those 80s and 90s Peugeots were and still are awesome. Interiors rattle , electronics in the 306s go bad but hey at least they handle well in corners 😅

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TCG- There's a reason so many people make track cars out of E36's. Balance and steering feel. I used to own a 1999 3231s with sport package. Not very powerful, but an absolute hoot to hustle down a twisty back road.

    • @nomadben
      @nomadben 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've been thinking about getting an E36 recently, so this makes me very happy to hear.

  • @dumyjobby
    @dumyjobby 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i own a fiat panda 45 from 1982, 700kg, 45 hp, skinny tires, very low grip, unassisted steering and braking. I have such a laugh driving that thing because even when im driving at 10/10 the speed is low but the driving feels so engaging and fun. Its incredible how nuch joy light and simple cars can bring when driven. Thank you harris for showing that since most of the automotive jurnalists seem interested in cars waay above 6 figures and little interest is given to little pocket rockets that most of us could actully afford

    • @kayzenl7911
      @kayzenl7911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bwahaha really true with my 106

  • @vanilakung7563
    @vanilakung7563 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Never driven a 205 Rallye, but the 205 GTI is one of the best cars ever, if i may say so

    • @-______.______-
      @-______.______- 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I use A 205 Gt with 75 HP as my everyday-Car and love this thing. U don't need a whole lot of power to have fun and i agree: the 205 is one of the best cars ever made.

    • @asphalthedgehog6580
      @asphalthedgehog6580 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Owned a 205 1.1 and 1.4, drove a 205 Rallye, 205GTI 1.6 and 1.9, 106 Rallye 1.3 and 1.6, owned 2 106GTI's.
      All fantastic cars. Think about buying a 106 Rallye still. Modern cars don't do it for me.

  • @quintinkrivacek9800
    @quintinkrivacek9800 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Driving is all about what your feet do, what your bottom feels, and what your arms do... couldn't have said it better myself

  • @camliv78
    @camliv78 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ahhhh this is why I hold Chris Harris In so much high regard! This man actually truly knows what hell he’s talking about.
    It reminded me of my very first car, a 91 Toyota conquest 1300 S .... the difference is that car wasn’t actually very fast BUT it was sheer basics and YES and kid I drive the hell out of it, my point being it was bare basics ... no on board computer, no ABS .... just plain good old fashioned steering wheel shifting gears ... put your foot down and go 🙂
    I miss that.

  • @saalikkhan7671
    @saalikkhan7671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:23 I have never seen a man in a car happier.

  • @coxbright
    @coxbright 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this has to be my favourite Harris video! I've wanted a 205 GTi for 10 years now and this video makes me want one even more!

  • @MikeTheBike71
    @MikeTheBike71 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    After the 2CV, a new love declaration to an old french car. Thank you Harris ;)

  • @ubonrat8653
    @ubonrat8653 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Too many modern cars are all horsepower plus weight and are numb to drive, this proves that simplicity is best and you don't need to spend a fortune

    • @rahulmandala4930
      @rahulmandala4930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except the Porsche is still in a league of its own when it comes to driving experience and involvement. Sure, many modern cars are heavy and numb, which does take away from the experience. However, fun can mean many things in the automotive world, be it enjoying a car that’s way out of your league all the way to wringing out a classic car by the neck. Besides, cars like the 911R still appeal to people who love the art of driving. Sure, no car is perfect, including the 911R for the things it doesn’t have (i.e. Hydraulic Assist, manual/clutch to the floor, etc.)
      However, the 911R costs quite the sum because there’s nothing like it in it’s class today.

  • @scotie690
    @scotie690 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in the day my late grandfather have a couple Peugeot dealers. I clearly remember when 2 brothers bought one for each. The smile when they got out... Just like Chris today. :)

  • @davidreynolds81
    @davidreynolds81 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my! My first car was a 205 1.4XS and it was awesome fun and I've never driven a car since that is that fun, so light that you open the bonnet and can see the floor! Love it!!!

  • @RenoveAutoService
    @RenoveAutoService 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Yes the best driving experience
    Light/manual gear box/and sound!!!
    Thanks Chris

  • @mikecoe64
    @mikecoe64 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bwlch mountain South Wales 👍🏻 great video chris, keep it up 👏🏼

  • @Troubleshooter125
    @Troubleshooter125 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now that was a thoughtful and interesting comparison of two cars one might not ordinarily think of in the same frame of reference. Thanks a LOT, Chris!!!

  • @theroadexplorer6593
    @theroadexplorer6593 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:22 Look at his smile when he changes gear, he is having so much fun!!!

  • @snowcat3116
    @snowcat3116 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This remind me my old 106 rally (same engine except ECU standard) God, it was a furious little car and the perfect machine to learn track driving.

    • @thiscocks
      @thiscocks 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pretty much no parts in common between the Tu2J2 and TU24 engines even though they have the same capacity!

  • @alundrasrt
    @alundrasrt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    He's right, we want manual gearbox to feel the gears and the transmission loads not as an option just gearing for fun. Weight for grip, stiffness and safety is ok but for racing feel at low speed it takes away the pleasure. We lost something.

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      karim- you are dead-on! Imagine what manual transmissions would be like if car manufacturers put the same effort into shift feel, gearing selection and clutch engagement as they do developing DCTs and 10 speed automatics! Not that they don't have their place, but lately it seems like manual gearboxes are an afterthought, or something only worthy of being in a bare bones economy car. Sadly, we are in serious danger of losing the manual box entirely. At least Porsche got the memo and brought back the manual. Something about used manual Porsche prices probably tipped them off. Now, Ferrari needs to get on board. Nothing but love out there for the old gated shifters. I doubt anyone ever drove a manual 550 Maranello and said "Damn, I wish this thing had an F1 box in it". Unless they were tracking it.

    • @pantsyr
      @pantsyr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We lost the 'human' in the driving equation over the last 15years or so... flappy paddle ABS Launch Mode Traction Control 200 airbags parking sensors self parking autopilot.. etc... what if you actually like to and WANT to Drive the a modern car? Nice to see a 911 with a manual transmission again.. and reminds me why I've hung on to my 6 speed 911/996.

  • @towers3135
    @towers3135 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great filming and editing! And, of course, great work for Chris and Neil!

  • @msbtennis
    @msbtennis 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the concept. Well done sir.

  • @handsomeenglish4518
    @handsomeenglish4518 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The good thing is that you don't necessarily need a 205 gti... consider a 106/306 rallye, toyota corolla gti (huh?), honda civic vti (before the integra type r), citroen 2cv (if you want to get anywhere) and so much more...
    Driving today has given us a greater thrill of speed and ability, but the physical and spiritual connection between car and road is being diminished..
    (it's not the car makers fault, safety, security etc... the gt86/brz have done a great job of trying to keep it alive)
    Great review

  • @PMGF
    @PMGF 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I love that little Peugeot! Back when they could make cars...

    • @callumpenman5992
      @callumpenman5992 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      PMGF nothing with a hint of quality has...well ever rolled out of france

    • @Tvvugt
      @Tvvugt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They're back tho. The 8 series are turning out to be great and somehow reliable.
      Still driving a 205 myself though.

    • @TheSkyline35
      @TheSkyline35 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Since the 207 they are back, look at the 208 and 308 GTI, just very very great cars

    • @TheBlaert
      @TheBlaert 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Agreed. The 405 Mi16 (which I own), 309 GTi, 205 Rallye/GTi's were all class leaders. Awesome fun cars all of them

    • @mikeygti8930
      @mikeygti8930 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Callum Penman
      Oh dear. Another french car hater who, obviously, has never had the pleasure of grabbing a french hot hatch by the scruff of the neck and driving it on a quality b road. If you wanna know which country builds the best hot hatchs, take a guess but two clues, it aint Germany or Japan.

  • @wesleygonzales2049
    @wesleygonzales2049 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Chris Harris is the Patrick Stewart of Top Gear. He was able to replace the irreplaceable with something completely different and just as special.

  • @antoniop8794
    @antoniop8794 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    man the editing is super neat in this one, good job

  • @LR_84
    @LR_84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Being 16, I'd have the 205 in a heartbeat ❤

  • @Trendyflute
    @Trendyflute 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My old Miata makes me giggle uncontrollably on a twisty road, and it often happens under 40 MPH.
    Point well made. The 911R is the peak of refined performance capability and engine manufacturing. Elsewhere, it is merely "among the very best of the modern for tactility and engagement, which is in a lower league than cars of old".

  • @colinwoollard5739
    @colinwoollard5739 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a 1.3 205 Rallye for 100,000 miles, it was supremely memorable, nearly every mile

  • @adrianmay2970
    @adrianmay2970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome Video. Love my 1.3 106 Rallye. Such great fun

  • @resnonverba137
    @resnonverba137 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Reminds me that I wish I still had my old 205 GTI...

    • @FicaGTI
      @FicaGTI 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here....

  • @guy5140
    @guy5140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Imagine how pissed the Porsche engineers would be after watching this 😂

  • @lumberjackbjh
    @lumberjackbjh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the Cris Harris videos keep them coming!

  • @Lotus.F
    @Lotus.F 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your face when driving the 205 Rallye said it all, I know the feeling because I owned a 106 Rallye 1993 one of one thousand that was imported. That was an epic car pure raw driving pleasure.

  • @erwinsims
    @erwinsims 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have felt lately that "sport" cars from today forget what it is all about, Sure, it is obscenely fast, has extreme horsepower, drives 300+ and goes faster to 100 than sneezing but that car can do that WITH EVERY IDIOT BEHIND THE WHEEL!
    They all forget to give the thrill of driving, sifting gear just right in a proper car without electronics feels so much more rewarding that any car out there today, look back at the flappy shifters in the early days, they were flawed and slow and proper drivers loathed them.. just cause we got used to them does not mean they give a true feel of driving.
    we have speedlimits and those cars don't offer a thrill under or around that speed.
    To be honest in my opinion all cars have gotten so idiot-proof that even idiots can drive fast and that is where it goes wrong. I love cars that reward you for driving them on the limit, it is communicating and fun. when a car is overpowered and needs 1001 electronic aids just to get of the start line without you looking a fool and needs an automatic cause it can shift better than you can it says something.. Yes, we can make cars that go 400 kph and make over a 1000 horsepower but what does it all mean when you as a driver are more a spectator than actually needed for the performance to come out?
    So thank you Chris for showing off a car like the 205 ( I drove one and they are a blast)
    and here is a question for you..
    How about a segment where you put the "icon" and the latest reinstalment head to head?
    like the 205 1.9 GTI vs the 208 GTI, Mazda MX5/Miata vs current, E36 M3 vs the late one and so on..
    And forget about all luxury and build-quality and gizmo's (that just distract you from driving) and focus on the thing it should be about.. The feeling it gives you as a driver.
    I believe that would be an interesting watc!
    thanks for reading my rant,
    Erwin

  • @maXXik1337
    @maXXik1337 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    90's.... when baguettes made great cars with normal interiors (ye Peugeot, you heard me).
    Chris is spot on here. It is not about the speed, it is about the thrill car can produce. The problem with modern - especially super - cars like this Porsche is, thay are way too fast for public roads, they are so good, that their limits are way too far. You make mistake? Ok. It is not in 70km/h, its most likely in 130+. Not only its illegal speed, you are also very close to big problem regarding your health.
    Thats why older cars or for example miata is so praised, its possible (and lot of fun) to drive it on the limit even on normal road.

  • @Pique147
    @Pique147 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    My first car was a diesel 205 van. With no weight over the back, needless to say I learned quite quickly about lift-off oversteer lol. Seeing the interior of that spartan 205 brought back some memories.

  • @RaceMattC
    @RaceMattC 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video. It would be great to see more of Chris going back into history and driving the great street cars. In particular this comparison would have been interesting to see the 205 up against a 964 RS

  • @mohitha9230
    @mohitha9230 6 ปีที่แล้ว +321

    Peugeot 205 rallye ?! hmm ,What is the Doug score ?

    • @haydenhale9066
      @haydenhale9066 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      55

    • @DamienMarquesDaSilva
      @DamienMarquesDaSilva 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol!

    • @NikolajHansen
      @NikolajHansen 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did they have the 205 rally in the US?

    • @WhitewalkerII
      @WhitewalkerII 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No they didn't

    • @burwood69
      @burwood69 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We only have peugeot salt shakers over here in Canada US unfortunately. I drove a 207 in Cuba for what it's worth, but we are limited to european vehicles.

  • @andreimangalia1468
    @andreimangalia1468 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honestly I love Porsche, the 911 r is absolutely brilliant, but the 205 it's just awesome. It has that madness, that pure joy of driving and it has that sense of freedom.That's why the 80's hot hatches are still cool even in these days.😀

  • @ReluctantCEO
    @ReluctantCEO 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the quick shot of Chris heel and toeing! More please! Chris - please do a short video on how to do this correctly. The camera angle and audio was terrific.

  • @stuartjameson4493
    @stuartjameson4493 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome editing and camera angles!

  • @TGE
    @TGE 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very enjoyable. Rah rah rah.

  • @jobic4207
    @jobic4207 6 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Last time I was this early it was still cool to hate on the new Top Gear hosts :(

    • @bavarianbanshee
      @bavarianbanshee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thankfully, at least on Chris' videos, people have grown out of it, for the most part.

  • @Lukec4ge
    @Lukec4ge 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Time to start restoring my 205 GTi. Dormant for around 7 years....ready to reclaim its glory. Thanks Chris Harris.

  • @MrFoulksy
    @MrFoulksy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chris and the team yet again creating fantastic videos. Never stop.

  • @beefcake97
    @beefcake97 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Did he really hit the curb at 2:25 or my eyes are shit?

    • @GearTutorials
      @GearTutorials 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Roland Malácsik he did. You can even hear a clunk.

    • @bspartee
      @bspartee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Roland Malácsik I thought so too, but I think it's just when he drives over the storm drain in the road. Because you can hear that same sound other times in the video.

    • @MarkyFormula1
      @MarkyFormula1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe Chris should be doing the driving for the exterior shots too.

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      GearTutorials
      He was close to the curb but no where near touching it. The sound was a metallic noise as he ran over the grid, it even syncs to the car's movement.

    • @ProjectExMachina
      @ProjectExMachina 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I might be tripin but I don't think that Chris drives external shots. Driver have more hair and is paper then Chris.

  • @LonestarPaul
    @LonestarPaul 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    what road has this been shot on?!?

    • @chrismorgan2939
      @chrismorgan2939 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      LonestarPaul bwlch road about 10miles north of port Talbot where 3 valleys meet at the top

    • @LonestarPaul
      @LonestarPaul 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's gorgeous!!! Thanks for the info. If I ever get there one day... ;)

    • @chrismorgan2939
      @chrismorgan2939 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LonestarPaul I only live 20 miles from it, used to travel it often

    • @LonestarPaul
      @LonestarPaul 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Life's unfair! Have fun for me next time you go there :)

    • @harvey222
      @harvey222 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could you elaborate more please? I'm in Bristol and want to check this out. Any help appreciated :)

  • @papposupercarwatcher
    @papposupercarwatcher 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    one of the best chris harris video ever

  • @sictransit5
    @sictransit5 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He's discovered why i like my 1992 Citroen AX 1.1TZX I have in Italy. A "rescue" car I fixed up, its 788 kg with 30 fewer bhp than the Peugeot it strongly resembles inside and out. Its great to drive, and I'd love to have it here in the US instead of using it just a few weeks a year. I think this was a good performance era in Europe, just modern enough but with an "real car" feel. Its why I've kept my '90 300ZX over here as a 4th car, and drive it regularly.

  • @ianward8107
    @ianward8107 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The drivers of the world know exactly what he is talking about. The car has to talk to you. I have been on test drives where on paper the car is a super hero but to drive. ( Clutch or shifter or seat position is horrible) my favorite Gearbox Honda Accord 4cyl 2006. Not much of a car but a delightful drive

    • @ianward8107
      @ianward8107 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eddie Panedi
      I drove the F-RS as well. Very good car. Funny I was a salesman at at Toyota dealer too about 10 years ago. And the only fun vehicle they had at the time was the Tacoma X-Runner. The V-6 and the transmission pairing are excellent, very fun to drive.

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try an S2000. Delicious shifter feel.

    • @ianward8107
      @ianward8107 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doug Robinson I would love to drive an S2000! I bet it's a great car to drive.

  • @z0n4l1
    @z0n4l1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    amazing little toy the 205 is

  • @maxjelley4055
    @maxjelley4055 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gorgeous work here. I started watching this channel over lockdown and sage to say it’s become a bit of a safe space for me. I’m gonna own a 205 one day. Maybe an XS that I tweak a little or a rallye if I can afford it. Thanks to Chris and thanks to the community for sharing the joy!

    • @ChopperMeir
      @ChopperMeir ปีที่แล้ว

      Well the beauty of the XS is the same TU3S engine, different carb set up but easily tuneable and if you can get hold of a GTI front subframe and arms, convert the gear selector post (I did on mine, it isn't difficult) and you've got yourself what essentially is a euro spec Rallye for half the price.

    • @tomdtom5407
      @tomdtom5407 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ChopperMeirdifferent camshaft also

  • @ganthrithor
    @ganthrithor 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this.
    I had the same reaction to the 991 GT3: amazing engine, amazing noise, phenomenally-capable car. But honestly after driving it a bit in varied settings (everything from a highway commute to scorching down back roads) I found that the only times I could properly appreciate it were when I was stuck in stop-and-go traffic (PDK in D, soft suspension, noise buttons off) and when I was driving like a total lunatic (I try to do this only very occasionally for obvious reasons). Anywhere in between it felt very large and not very engaging-- there's no steering feel and not much to occupy your mind other than trying to subdue the monster inside you that wants to run through several gears to redline and make the resulting sound reverberate of every hard surface in such a way that people can hear it for miles in every direction. You just feel like you can't use the thing without being completely anti-social (unless you're driving it on wet leaves, in which case it's a lot of fun at 35mph, but that's sort of an edge-case). I still love the thing to bits (how can you not love something that makes those sounds?), but it's a troubling relationship.
    I've got a BRZ with some suspension bits and a 2006 Carrera on tiny wheels that's completely stock save for a set of Super Sports and an air intake that makes howling noises. The Carrera you still need to take to empty mountain roads to wring out (and you're still lifting on all the straights whilst feeling a little anti-social), and even the BRZ on tiny 225-section tyres barely manages to be a car that you can kind of drive flat-out on the road.
    Modern cars are too much. I wish the gearing on my 997 was lower so that I could use third gear without ending up well over 80mph... and that's an eleven-year-old base model. Faster is not better for pleasure driving on public roads. Clearly what I need is a 997 GT3 with the world's most absurd final drive ratio, space-saver tyres, and a Sharkwerks exhaust :D

    • @DavideGTI86
      @DavideGTI86 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You've pointed out a crucial thing: Gear ratio.
      Many many many sport cars have too long final drives that makes the car barely enjoyable on public roads.
      A shorter final drive would let us hear the engine scream but not worrying about speeding (too much).
      That 911R like many other Porsches is too fast for the road and will suffer a proper track (ab)use like a lot of other modern sport cars do.

  • @Arturo_S3
    @Arturo_S3 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A german car that looks like a german police car out of the factory is that even legal? LOL

  •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A 205 Turbo 16 Rally Group B is certenly a much better driving experience than any top tier car of today.

    • @mro9466
      @mro9466 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      you don't drive a Group B, you survive a stage in a Group B

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      David Hill Driver for sure, Group B rally cars were the the epitome of the driving experience. 400hp cars, less than 1000kg, all wheel drive, no electronic assistance. Audí Quatro, Lancia Delta S4 Integrale, Peugeot 205 T16.

    • @deafyboy86
      @deafyboy86 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sebastián Demaría 400hp? Yeah in 1984, in 85' and '86 they were close to 600hp.

    • @oliviergrandjean1918
      @oliviergrandjean1918 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually, by all accounts at the time, the homologation version of the 205 T16 was underwhelming. Low-ish power, (200hp) turbo lag, ... There was a PTS (Peugeot Talbot Sport) kit sold to private racers that took care of most issues but it was not road-legal, iirc

    • @afrankena
      @afrankena 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Olivier Grandjean the road versions yes. But that wasnt anny different for the rest of the homologation groupe b cars. But in full rallyspec they do 400 to 700ish. Depents on what car and the year.

  • @spocktra50
    @spocktra50 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you , great video.

  • @manuelmanolo7419
    @manuelmanolo7419 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent filming and editing 👍👍👍

  • @mirzadaullymun7129
    @mirzadaullymun7129 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Why does he hate the miata though?

    • @fondajames
      @fondajames 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mirzad Aullymun I think he doesn't like the body roll but I'm not sure, he has a citreon 2cv that rolls way worse and loves it. But he also said he hates Lamborghini and has admitted the huracan is good so who knows

    • @tariqaleemuddin
      @tariqaleemuddin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mirzad Aullymun...no idea. Love Chris, but find it inconsistent.

    • @Tvvugt
      @Tvvugt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Probably too large.
      I want to love the Miata, I just can't.

    • @360prav
      @360prav 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He has a quirk:)

    • @ShadowFalcon
      @ShadowFalcon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Prashanth Panicker that's it.
      For the price of a decent second hand MX5 in Europe, you could get an equally well maintained Toyota MR2, or one of these (or if you're lucky, a Series 1 Elise), all of which are arguably better drivers cars (yes, even the FWD Peugeot).

  • @wibbers4578
    @wibbers4578 6 ปีที่แล้ว +205

    Well, Grand tour turned out to be total shit. Honestly i think they are too old to continue it, i believe harris is a great change to continue the legacy of this great show.

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nicotine don't be completely ignorant

    • @cyjan3k823
      @cyjan3k823 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think they arent too old, they just Lost themselves in this strange situation
      And out of whole New top gear crew only Harris is good
      And BBC know it, they upload Mostly his parts, not others

    • @aryajonathan3733
      @aryajonathan3733 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Krzysztof Dolecki Harris just doing his work per usual. He is a very active automotive journalist since his work in Drive. Its his passion and his life. Like he cant stop making a video and review cars. Compared to other presenters who are obligated contractually he actually wanted to be involved and expand Top Gear even more beyond just TV shows which tbh is a personal matter for the audience.

    • @TheRomichou
      @TheRomichou 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I hate to have to agree with you. the 3 blocks have turned into americans, with big obvious fake forced over-acted everything. I loved them so much in top gear. Chris is bringing so much passion around car.

    • @finnersz
      @finnersz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Not total shit. Just not as good as they used to be. The American influence was too much. Oh well it was a good run.

  • @eeki97
    @eeki97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How come this popped up in my feed only this morning?! Already based on the title this looks like perfection, and watching it confirms that it is. Now, time to go shopping for old french hatchbacks!

  • @tal2471983
    @tal2471983 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    you've done it again! Great video!

  • @ONSEY.
    @ONSEY. 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bayramınız mübarek olsun. 🌹🌷😊

  • @joemamaisfat
    @joemamaisfat 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    911 is a tool
    205 is a toy

    • @gweflj
      @gweflj 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I enjoy my toys more than my tools.

    • @callumpenman5992
      @callumpenman5992 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kristóf Máthé I could build a toy that's got better quality than the Peugeot

    • @warwickstingray
      @warwickstingray 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Callum Penman what the hell has build quality got to do with fun!?

    • @00ruva00
      @00ruva00 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kristóf Máthé you a fool

    • @mgray2418
      @mgray2418 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It say it's the other way around tbh, the Porsche's a toy for the rich and the 205 is a tool for a driving enthusiast.

  • @nikb6528
    @nikb6528 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect video, great message. Love these pure old classics. I'd rather go for a blast in this 205 Rallye than in the latest greatest McLaren!

  • @Evohunter7
    @Evohunter7 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always, love ya work Chris, Neil & Team

  • @Tardisius
    @Tardisius 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I'll take ANY 911 over that 205 =))

    • @mattslip179
      @mattslip179 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Tardisius I bet you've never driven a car before

    • @Munkenba
      @Munkenba 6 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Someone get this guy an automatic convertible 996 and watch him eat his words.

    • @mro9466
      @mro9466 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Alfred Munkenbeck i think a C4 964 convertible tiptronic might be even better :D

    • @Outland9000
      @Outland9000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LMAO! Alfred.... Well played.

    • @vojtasTS29
      @vojtasTS29 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Tardisius Me too. To sell it and buy the peugeot and an AE86. Will probably still have money left over.

  • @pontusojefelt2102
    @pontusojefelt2102 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This tugs at my heart strings! Peugeot 205 gti 91' was my frist car. Frikin loved it and i need one in my life again!

  • @MagicSkeleton
    @MagicSkeleton 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those new edits with the pedals and gear changes are great!

  • @danielsan3681
    @danielsan3681 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @denniskwok7613
    @denniskwok7613 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:18 Top editing right there! Well done Neil and Chris W.

  • @Bacciagalupe
    @Bacciagalupe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is one of the best philosophical car films I've ever seen

  • @smythrich
    @smythrich 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris's enthusiasm comes across so well in this video. 3:08 !! how is he so happy in a 30 year old french hatchback ! he makes the best car videos by a country mile .

  • @SuperGlobalKiller
    @SuperGlobalKiller 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally spoken as a true car enthousiast. Respect to Chris

  • @Lovefun558
    @Lovefun558 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great video. Great content Chris. Thanks!

  • @suttonsplash14
    @suttonsplash14 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chris youre one of my heros. great film

  • @alfamonk
    @alfamonk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    proper review - getting to the essence of driving, while we still can. When we're sat in the back of an autonomous pod this is what i'll miss.

  • @omkarkhamkar9388
    @omkarkhamkar9388 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Chris Harris being Chris harris 😂🔥✌️

  • @DonFather
    @DonFather 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolute poetry

  • @petaujus3000
    @petaujus3000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice to see a skilled reviewer remind everyone of what it's like to enjoy driving, and what drivers' cars are all about.

  • @WeMuckAround
    @WeMuckAround 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I may only have a base model 1.1 Peugeot 205 Style, but when you're on a twisty b-road, ragging its neck, feeling that immense body roll you get from the soft suspension, you can't help but fall in love with it. You still get that feel that somewhere in its close ancestry, there's a rally racer.

  • @jonobassett
    @jonobassett 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn close to those rocks at 4.33 !! Reminds me of why I bought a Twingo RS 133 cup as a school run car..... fun all the time ...
    Great video by then way