Absolutely! I’ve been following Mas since the late ‘80s. There are many outstanding trainers, but none that go into the legal aspects of self defense like he does.
@@petesheppard1709 Yes, I know right? He's just such an all around *brilliant* man while having that down to earth, make you comfortable, genuine, never arrogant, just that really kind way that he has. This might sound silly but, if I'm feeling stressed or anxious.. I'll watch a Massad Ayoob video and it just calms me right down! 🧘♀️ Take care -
Massad Ayoob is so amazing at explaining and expressing concepts in easy to understand ways. Einstein once said “If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough”. Ayoob, is the Einstein of self-defense. I would love to take a class by him.
Doesn't mean we understand him. What's he saying aroun 14:30 ? I'm trying to find the case but the name is unclear. I get that it probably isn't important to read and will only reinforce his statement of not painting skills on firearms. But I want to read it.
This came up at my trial after an on duty shooting. The prosecutor alleged that I was a "loose cannon" who modified my glock trigger so I could shoot faster. Thankfully I still had the factory box that has the label showing I bought it from glock with a 4.5 lb pull. Same prosecutor alleged I was militant because I wore a BDU style uniform instead of class C's. Of course it didn't matter that I was a K9 handler and constantly running after the dog and suspects shredded my class C's. Liberals will say or do anything to make you look bad. Thankfully I was acquitted and returned to duty but later left law enforcement after the bitter taste wouldn't wash out.
I know this is an old comment of yours but I wanted to add some thoughts. I am skeptical of prosecutes in general so often they are either elected officials or their boss is. Guilty verdicts are how they keep score and a high score looks good come election time. Next as you experienced are the complete firearms idiots typified by the two dolts in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, I dont give a damn how many people certified that AR was not loaded still do not point a gun at anyone with your finger on the trigger. I know of no better system than a trial but a trial is not to me a search for truth and or justice. It is a contest between lawyers of who can evoke the strongest emotions in a jury. Facts and common sense be dammed. Example is you wearing BDUs. Things like the BDUs can be explained but a misleading idea could be planted in the jurors minds.
obliviox you mean I shouldn’t carry my Punisher 1911 with the Extra-Hair Trigger loaded with my Diablo Super Spatter-666 Exploding Guaranteed to kill you & yo mamma ammo?? Damn, what this country coming too??
Good advise. I need to see my carry gun not just through my eyes, but also through the potential eyes of 12 jurors selected specifically for their inexperience with guns.
Dude.... best.... video.... YET! No John I’m being serious, this video just changed my ENTIRE outlook on triggers. I’m making sure all my triggers break at 4lbs AT LEAST from now on. Never once has it been how “smooth” the trigger was... it’s always been how “light” the trigger was.... words of wisdom. PLEASE John, more videos like this with legal experts! Keep killin’ it!! Mas is amazing!
Mas speaks with the calm authority of someone who has spent decades honing his opinions. The interviewer deserves some respect for being gracious enough to allow Mas to hold the stage. Good team work, guys. I could see countless additional videos of Mas offering real world gems of advice.
@@slypperyfox I dont mind that Wilson 1911s are more than I'm willing to pay. I dont see that as a fault. To me he builds a 1911 where the other manufacturers such as the ones I have make 1911s. Craftsmanship vs production. I agree with you on the 9mm. I did get a Wilson Sig P320 and love it. Was shooting it today in fact.
I find the 6 lb trigger on my Walther PPS to be just fine. I havent shot a shield 9mm in quite some time but I dont remember the factory trigger being that bad. I definitely agree with Mas that it's the smoothness, not the weight that makes a good trigger.
I did exactly that with my Shield. My G19 has a 4.5# Ghost connector. My EDC is a P365 with a stock trigger. Trigger pull is between 4.5 and 5 lbs and all 3 are smooth with similar trigger pulls. Consistency within established limits is my goal.
You missed the point.....not THE END of the story as seen by a jury.....YOU MODIDIFIED IT TO AN UNSAFE LEVEL ( they will say....and be hard to defend to a "non-gun" group of people)
This is an excellent subject . I'm going to contact Berretta to find out if putting a " D " spring in my 92FS drops it below the manu minimum specs . Thanks guys !
Be careful with the D spring. I ended up having a serious problem with light strikes. I completely bombed a competitive shooting match as a result. The amount of reduced trigger weight is minor. I wouldn't be concerned at all about deviating too far from the original specs.
Mr. Ayoob pretty much confirmed everything I've been telling students for years. One thing I also tell them is to ditch things like stickers or signs that have "cute" little quotes on them. I tell them to picture the jury as though they're a bunch of rabid anti-gunners, and it was their kid you shot. Cause the last thing you need is the DA showing them pictures of you wearing a shirt that says "When In Doubt, Shoot Em Again".
@@papimaximus95 you really don't understand that there are civil and criminal proceedings. The standard of proof in a civil proceeding is lower than criminal court and you can get hammered for negligence. If they can paint you out to be some "badass" who can't wait to shoot someone and runs around with t-shirts and decals advertising as such, then good luck taking your chances with your assets on the line. Ayoob is giving solid advice. It also goes to state of mind even in a criminal case if lawyers want to paint you as someone who can't wait to shoot someone to argue your use of force was not lawful.
@Papi Maximus it’s about the perception the jurors have of you and not the technicality of the law as written. People can be emotionally manipulated with a narrative, and that’s what this is all about. It shouldn’t affect the trial facts and whatnot, but it does to a degree.
Stickers, shirts, online posts. Unless you are comfortable with it being shown in a court room don't put it out there. Tangentially related, enjoy this clip from John Mulaney on your past coming back to haunt you in court. th-cam.com/video/JkSQk88e4DM/w-d-xo.html The part in question only goes to 1:42 but it is certainly entertaining.
@@papimaximus95 Its not about the justification of the use of force, its about the jury's perception of you. You cant live in some fantasy world where the only thing that matters is right and wrong. Thats not the world we live in. How the jury perceives you is 100% the difference between life in jail and free on the streets.
MAS: "I wrote an article for Combat Handguns magazine back in the 80's where I interviewed..." ME: "Holy crap, I remember reading that back when it first came out!" Damn, I feel old...
😆Right?? Lol Mas has literally helped shape now 2 generations of responsible gun carriers. Conversely, when I hear someone rant about “Mas is full of bs...” that pretty much tells me all I need to know about *their* opinion... 🤣
All of my carry Glocks have modified triggers using Glock parts. My answer to an attorney would be, "So I can shoot more accurately without endangering innocent bystanders".
To play devil's advocate, your defense attorney would in all likelihood strongly advise you against testifying, so you won't get to give that testimony. You're probably better off with genuine OEM Glock parts though.
@@payleryder45 You are correct, just because one comes up with a "CUTE ANSWER" one are not going to rule the situation. Cute remarks make the witenss or accused appear ARROGANT, they are looking for ARROGANT. BB
"So Mr. D, it is your testament that you modify your guns to make it easier to shoot people, is that correct? On an average day, how many times do you think about needing to shoot people? Do you have plans or contingencies developed in your mind for these shootings you plan? Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, this man is clearly actively looking for any situation that might possibly justify his murderous blood lust. What might set him off next time?" Whenever you get the idea that you are more clever than the attorney who is trying to throw you in jail for the rest of your life, remember, you only have to make one mistake, say one wrong thing, or have one thing you said twisted into something else, and you lose. It doesnt matter if he loses, only if you do.
Damn right. Never pull the trigger unless you're justified to kill your intended target, and you'll be fine. If you're justified to kill, there is no such thing as excessive.
I've listened to or read everything Massad Ayoob has written on the legal liabilities of self defense and gun ownership over the years. It's a shame that a huge part of the responsibility that comes with gun ownership is the legal considerations you have to make, from ammo to modifications to the intricacies of the law.
I have one question. What if you meant to put the bullet/bullets in a home Invaders chest and didn't try to say the gun accidentally went off? Maybe I missed something but all I heard was negligence and if I did then I apologise. There's no negligence in defending your life and what if the closest thing to you is your competition rig? My edc is either a stock p365 or hellcat so I'm not a hater just asking a solid question.
Dodd Garger I disagree with you. As a gun grabber it’s easy to accuse you of having made a homemade gun so that you could kill my client and attempt to never be caught for doing so. A P80 should just be a range gun.
@@Aspen910 that should be easily debunked in court when your attorney points out that you called the police to report the shooting and waited for the police to arrive
Yea, pretty much. If a zealous prosecuting attorney can jab at a lightened trigger, you bet they will jab at a home made firearm. if it is not serialized yet, even more fuel for that fire. That makes you look like a criminal, you didn't want the gun to be traced to you. Besides from a reliability standpoint, do you really trust your workmanship more than a gun made at a factory? With skilled laborers, maintained tooling, quality assurance personnel, and a proven track record. Plus you can practice with these guns for thousands and thousands of rounds, to ensure they are indeed reliable with your carry ammunition. I have personally seen a P80 lower where the rear and front rails for the slide were not level with each other. It actually worked with a glock factory slide, but not the aftermarket slide the owner was trying to install. IMO, a P80 is a range toy or a science project, never something to be seriously carried or used.
I read this man's books in the 1980's and he was my fave instructor-from-afar. I'm so glad to see him as wise and articulate as ever, and now I know he also has the "voice of power". This man is sharp and experienced, so listen up.
My 3.5lb Glock 17 drop in makes me more accurate and less likely to miss, I'd rather be alive and sued since I don't have squat besides a bunch of guns anyway
Honestly, the idea that a prosecution is going to argue a shooting was accidental/negligent while the defendant argues the shooting was intentional, but justified, is a bit ridiculous. If you intended to pull the trigger, it doesn’t matter how light it is, and it doesn’t matter who modified it. Cosmetic modifications can be a different story.
Yeah my buddies and I have had long conversations about this back and forth. I was originally the "never modify the trigger!" kinda guy, until I realized just how much more accurate I can be by changing just one or two things on my Glock. It really does seem like you'd basically be hitting the unlucky powerball lottery to actually have a case where you lose because you modified a trigger a little bit. One of my main concerns when conceal carrying is mass shooter defense. That's why I always carry at my church, and I'm being trained by the head of security there. One could argue that you'd never need to make a 40-50 yard shot, until someone with an AR takes a shot at you or someone else down a long hallway or out in a parking lot at that distance.
tv92taylor. I'm thinking the same thing.... If I felt my life was in danger and I shot the perp, how can someone else possibly say I'm guilty for a negligent discharge? But then again, pretty much everything else in the world is completely insane right now, so kinda fits in...
I think he meant that the prosecution would argue you don't know where or what you are going to hit. If your trigger is so light you may have got away with hitting the intended target but what about an errand shot? What do i mean? If you are in a defensive shooting and the person you shot had 3 bullet wounds but you only have 6 rounds left in your magazine. Where did the rest go? They could argue negligence that you put others in danger because of the modification to the gun (not that you were a bad shot and missed).
@@mahituna1 I guess the bottom line is we're really at a point with our criminal and civil justice system that we can't really defend ourselves. You can furlough the actually physical assault to your body, but then basically the state will just steal everything from you afterwards from a financial sense, all because you had the audacity to not be a helpless lamb that is completely and utterly dependent upon the strong arm of the government.
I carried, & still do sometimes, a Glock 23 gen 3 with a Wolf 40 to 9mm conversion barrel in it and a Ghost disconnector. Recently I replaced the whole Glock trigger with a Timney Alpha trigger. I changed parts because I target shoot with it. I'm not wealthy, so I also carry it. I likely will never have to shoot anyone. I sure hope not. But to me, to make a gun more accurate and easier to shoot means that if I did have to use the gun, I'm less likely to miss & hit something or someone I didn't want to hit. My finger is never in the trigger guard until I'm ready to shoot. I even carry ammo that I reloaded. Why? Again, because I'm not wealthy. So if I have hundreds of rounds that I made, why the hell would I spend $1 each round for self-defense ammo? I can't target practice with $1 per round ammo.
It's common sense. Even Jerry Miculek doesn't carry a 2 pound trigger for self defense. There are no absolutes but carrying a trigger made for speed shooting I'd say there's a high probability that you'll shoot an unintended target in a high stress situation. Gr8 vid. 🔫
Brailsford is a former police officer is Mesa, AZ who engraved his duty rifle with "you're fucked" and Molon Labe. He later shot and killed a suspect who had pointed a pellet gun out of his hotel room. The suspect died and Brailsford was charged with Second Degree Murder and ultimately acquitted.
And the engravings were not really part of the trial. They were the reason he was fired from the police department, but reading some of the cases, I don't see anything about them in the judgements. Not disputing, but also not really seeing how it's relevant.
Thank you for this timely and informative video. No trigger upgrades for me now. Reminds me of the old joke: What do you call a thousand lawyers lying dead on the ocean floor? A good start. And what's the difference between a dead skunk lying in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer lying in the middle of the road? There are skid-marks in front of the skunk. Want 1 more? What's the difference between a lawyer and a catfish? One's a scum sucking bottom feeder. The other's a fish. Finally, there's the standard definition lawyers have for a jury: 12 individuals not smart enough to get off jury duty. Kinda all fits with the central core of your video.
I love Massad. Everytime I listen to him I learn something new. I love how he gives legal arguments like he is in the court room. My question or statement is a standard Glock advertised trigger is 5.5lbs which in reality when tested is about 6.5lbs. I have a 4.5lbs drop in trigger bar and a titanium safety plunger which does not affect the trigger pull weight but the smoothness of the trigger pull. I believe my personal gun pulls at least 5lbs or just above which nearly everyone out there would still consider safe. My point I am making is that the advertised trigger weight is normally is little lighter than the actual pull weight since gun mfr's do not want to be sued. In my personal opinion if your actual trigger pull weight is within 1/2lbs of advertised trigger weight then you should be fine. Just make sure to follow common gun safety rules including don't place your finger inside the trigger guard unless you are going to shoot. Also make sure to get several days worth of extra training including things like deesculation, medical, force on force with evidence of course completion. I personally was surprised when doing force on force and shoot/don't shoot exercises how easily it was just to react and shoot without thinking when already stressed when someone unexpectedly jumps out of a doorway less than arms length in front of you waving their arms screaming for help. How you think you would act and how you actually act are not the same.
Don't modify the Glock trigger, even if they are Glock factory parts from another gun. Reference court case SANTIBANES VS. TOMBALL(HOUSTON), 2006. americanhandgunner.com/the-ayoob-files/unintended-shot-the-santibanes-incident/
Through many years of going through firearms training, I've heard the same thing that Massad has said. The opposing side is going to say that you intentionally had that firearm modified to make it easier to kill someone. I am proud to say that have also been one of Massad's students, an experience I will never forget. Some say his techniques are "old school," he doesn't follow modern techniques. If you have ever seen the gentleman shoot, there is nothing wrong with what one would call "old school." Jim
Attorneys will say anything to make you look bad and bolster their case against. Don't worry about what they might say. Worry about why you did what you did and be able to explain it. They tell you you modified the trigger to kill easier, you say I modified it to shoot more accurately.
I had heard that rumor about Ayoob and the modified trigger thing (as well as the hand loaded ammo thing) decades ago. Glad to have it clarified - much appreciated.
I don't understand this video. Does it only apply to a negligent discharge? If you intentionally use a gun for a justified lethal use of force shooting... It's not negligence. Isn't it clear you intentionally pulled the trigger no matter what the weight is?
When I first read Massad's book, he warns heavily against carrying staggered loads i.e. hollowpoint followed by FMJ and then say a wadcutter ....bad news . The counter attorney will claim you were looking to kill or even to get into a shootout . Staggered loads is a no no ... carry one type of bullet only
So I am guessing that drilling out a lead bullet, putting mercury in the cavity, and plugging the tip with lead is a no-no? For those of you that don't know, that was an old CIA trick for assassinations.
They should just cut to the chase, and pass a law allowing only one kind of ammo. After all, nobody "needs" more than one kind... right? I mean, you're saying you've shot someone, and you're worried about an attorney claiming you were "looking to kill" them? Or claiming that you were "looking to get into a shootout"... not because you were carrying a DEADLY WEAPON, but because of your AMMO CHOICE? Sounds like some of the bullshit advice given out by "drama queen" concealed-carry instructors. I just overheard one of them telling a class this past weekend that they needed to buy concealed-carry insurance (I'm guessing he gets a commission) because, when they go somewhere that doesn't allow weapons, they will probably accidentally shoot someone while trying to leave their weapon in their car. (WTF?) Best just leave your weapon at home, then. Or carry an air pistol... with plastic pellets.
@@lordofthewoods carry marshmallows. The left right now won't tolerate any self defense, so it doesn't really matter. The only acceptable course of action is for you to be dead by thug.
I even go a step further. I get ammunition with the name “defense” or “police” or anything that sounds official, especially if the local police like to use it.
Yeah, this is good advice, and it may not be the way it should be but it's the reality of the criminal justice system in America. I actually had a buddy who was carrying a Glock 43 for his everyday carry and he did some upgrading to the pistol which included some TFX sights, stainless steel guide rod, grip enhancement by way of stippling, improved slide cuts by way of custom milling, and he added one of those little streamlight laser/light combos that actually attaches around the trigger guard cause you know there's no rail space on the 43. With all that said he didn't do anything to the internals, no upgraded trigger shoe or trigger bar, nothing. Well I was totally fine with the pistol and thought it was very nice, that was until I saw the one upgrade I just missed until I actually looked it over in person. He had replaced the factory rear slide plate, you know the one you have to remove to take the striker out and such, with a aftermarket aluminum plate that said "Infidel". I gave him a circumstance in which that could be seen or interpreted by a court of law as a very negative or even potentially radical word to have on a firearm, and while the odds are very low as a standard civilian, in terms of you actually ending up in an encounter that results in the discharge of your personal protection weapon, their high enough that millions of people including myself carry on a regular basis. I didn't even get into the what if scenario where the person or persons you end up in a deadly force encounter with would happen to be of a particular religion or decent.
Arizona v. Brailsford That was the case when the PD shot an unarmed and fully compliant man in a La Quinta hallway. The AR that the PD used had a dust cover with "You're fucked" written on it.
Yeah, I got curious and had to go look it up too. Turns out that the offensive wording and logo on his rifle was motivation for the prosecutor to bring charges. Judge did not allow that “evidence” into the trial. www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2017/09/08/profane-etching-ex-mesa-officer-phillip-mitch-brailsford-gun-inadmissible-daniel-shaver-murder-trial/648709001/
I'm a believer in stock. Most quality pistols these days will outshoot most shooters. I like to change out grips but none of that punisher skull crapola.
Great video! I don't understand how there can be any questions about trigger weight if you intended to shoot and hit what you were aiming at. "Ladies and gentlemen, the deceased was shot while committing an armed robbery." Case closed.🙂
That's because you still think that the goal of a trial is to find the truth, when in fact the goal is to convince a jury and you can bet each side will use every underhanded tool at their disposal to do so.
@@jayzenitram9621 So true. I've sat on a couple juries and both times, I saw them make comments that they knew would be overruled and expunged, and the judge would tell us to ignore the statement, but they'd say it anyway because they knew we'd remember and it would at least subconsciously bias us. Disgusting.
If you can't rely on a jury, or prosecutor to carry out justice... what have we become? Cops too... there's good ones and bad ones. Now even the good ones don't want to work, and who can blame 'em.
Thank you for the great info in this video. Was considering a trigger upgrade on my sd9ve. Drop the standard 8-10lb trigger pull down closer to 5-6lbs. I decided to reached out to Smith & Wesson first, to find out what thier min trigger weight spec is from the factory, and they actually recommend a 6-7lb trigger as the min. The trigger upgrade would have dropped the pull weight below what the factory recommends.
All these years, and it's still just "they can". Haven't come across a case yet, where someone has been convicted of a good shoot, because of some kind of weapon mod. Anyone?
@@Timboykee Only thing I can find is a officer who shot and killed a drunk man, has nothing to due with his points of not using stupid ammo/guns/decals.
@@valravn126 "An internal investigation report revealed that Brailsford had violated department weapon policy by engraving his patrol rifle with the phrases "You're fucked" and "Molon labe" (a Greek expression meaning "come and take them").[28]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
Really informative-- really appreciate listening to Massad. I recently went through a reputable place in CZ Custom to smooth out my triggers on my p-07 and p-01 omega models. With the swapped out hammer and recoil springs, the DA weight came down to about 7.75 lbs, and the SA pull is now 3.5-3.75 lbs. The did some polishing as well. The trigger is much smoother on the p-07 than on the p-01. It makes me wonder if I'm at risk having modified them after watching this video, if the 'standard' is considered 4 lbs for any striker fired or SA gun pull, even though I went through a place who modifies thousands of CZ's for both competition as well as personal defense.
My glock 19x is stock except I did install the OverWatch precision trigger flat face that is and the trigger pull weight is 4.5 lb. Is that acceptable?
I'm curious what the stance would be in making a change to a part common in newer models of a handgun series, such as throwing a D spring in a legacy model of Beretta, since it is factory in most of their newest offerings. It doesn't disable safeties and it doesn't drop the trigger weight below any thresholds, but it does make the trigger lighter
If your life is being threatened and you admit that you deliberately fired to stop the attack, what difference does it make if the trigger pull is lighter than production?
Excellent listen, me personally, I never change the stock trigger. YOU learn to shoot whatcha got, good! Obviously what we heard here proves it can/could save you jail time and millions of dollars
If you have a good self defense case, you will likely never be charged. If you do get arrested and the prosecutor is resorting to how your gun looks, and they type of ammo you used, etc. They are pretty desperate. Think about it, why would punisher skulls on your gun matter to anyone if someone broke into your home and threatened you? Reminds me of the Rittenhouse trial. That case was obviously self defense and the prosecution was desperate. At one point they were chastising Rittenhouse for using FMJ ammo and his basic response was he didn't really know much about ammo, ammo is ammo to him. Needless to say, he was acquitted of all charges.
@@jnick1909 all sounds good and logical to us but you and I know even if living in a pro 2nd amendment state (some) DA’s are not 2A friendly and will spin there side of the story any way possible to get you convicted. Why give them anymore possible reasons to get you convicted?
@@kylewood8327 I hear what you're saying but where's the data on this? Can you find me how many cases where people were convicted based on how their gun performed and looked vs the case itself just being a bad or imperfect self defense case ?
@@kylewood8327 I'm not necessarily saying that, but I think having data points vs. just anecdotal stories is a better bet. All I'm saying is if you are wanting that apex trigger, or whatever upgrade you want, don't be afraid not to get it because of a situation like that. Attorneys can say anything. You can also respond by saying I got it because it makes me more accurate, it looks cool, or I've got diminished hand muscles and it's easier for me to shoot, etc. etc. If your attorney is worth their salt, I'm not even sure how arguing about how your gun looked or the trigger pull is even relevant to bring up, and not subject to an objection. Relevance and prejudicial?
Does massad have a law degree? I respect his opinion on applied tactics but I cannot accept him as a legal expert.......most lawyers aren’t subject matter experts,. I have stock triggers, but without hands on or video of non triggered discharge I don’t see it as dangerous.
Carry a DA/SA that first trigger pull is long no matter what you do to it. My Beretta 96 has all the bells and whistles except the decocker only mod for the safety
I like how just because "thats the way its always been for 1911s, etc..." is the reasoning for this whole trigger thing, lmfao, ya we also used to not have hollowpoints either for a while so should we not use those either? Obviously a 2.5 trigger pull is way too light but i dont see any issue with having 3.5-4 pound trigger pull, which is what ive come to find is the most common trigger pull weight for custom triggers. Also with the rittenhouse case, theyve prooven that theyll go after you for anything, he used fmj bullets which they considered to be "military rounds" and then in other cases they say hollowpoints are evil because theyre intended to expand and do more damage. I just say that dont have any "youre going to hell" type engravings or decals on your pistol and ur good haha
I discussed this with the local DA and basically if you intend to shoot the person in a self defense situation the modification of the trigger is mute , however if you carelessly or negligently fire the firearm and someone is injured or killed then you'd be liable. Basically if you shoot someone make sure you are able to articulate the facts justifying the firing of the firearm in self defensive. The law here states if justified according to the law you can not be criminally charged or civilly sued. #2 As long as it's justifiable and intentional weight is not an issue, you made it smoother, more trigger control to make sure I don't hit an unintended target by being able to keep my sights properly aligned as I pull the trigger in self defense.
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Massad's voice sounds like he should be singing for the Oak Ridge Boys.
He probably smells like an ashtray.
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Years of chain-smoking will do that to you.
A lot of logic and wisdom here.
...5...4...3...2...1... Half the gun community will discount this and do what they’re going to do.......
Absolutely! I’ve been following Mas since the late ‘80s.
There are many outstanding trainers, but none that go into the legal aspects of self defense like he does.
@@petesheppard1709
Yes, I know right?
He's just such an all around *brilliant* man while having that down to earth, make you comfortable, genuine, never arrogant, just that really kind way that he has.
This might sound silly but, if I'm feeling stressed or anxious.. I'll watch a Massad Ayoob video and it just calms me right down! 🧘♀️
Take care -
Your right the comment section is full of wise people
Even Chuck Norris recommends listening to Mas.
Been reading Massad's articles for forty years. He is the standard.
Yes I remember reading his articles from back in the early eighties.he gives excellent real world, practical advice.
Agree. I met him in the Fall of 2016 when he interviewed me for an article he was writing for American Handgunner.
He really is. He's the guy Hickok45 listens to when he wants to learn something.
He is pretty consistent...
Agreed.
Massad Ayoob is so amazing at explaining and expressing concepts in easy to understand ways. Einstein once said “If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough”. Ayoob, is the Einstein of self-defense.
I would love to take a class by him.
Totally worth the time and money! We did the MAG 40. Best time and money spent
You are officially an Ayoobian
When Massad speaks, everybody listens (at least they should).
Doesn't mean we understand him. What's he saying aroun 14:30 ? I'm trying to find the case but the name is unclear. I get that it probably isn't important to read and will only reinforce his statement of not painting skills on firearms. But I want to read it.
arizona vs brailsford
Shooting of Daniel Shaver
I never will understand why the prosecutor just "Wants to win" Vs. seeking justice.
Amen.
@@samo8204 PRIDE, EGO, BRAGGING RIGHTS.
True words of wisdom. The word "attorney" comes from the French words, "attornment and tourner" which mean to "turn or twist." Know your enemy.
Attorneys are tools. They can help and/or harm you. Get the best tool you can afford.
Your comment is why I read the comments, interesting.
@Black Pill Just prosecutors.
I don't know...French is my first language and attornement isn't a word🤔
@@dom4020 tu lis Villon dans le texte et parles le vieux français couramment?
This came up at my trial after an on duty shooting. The prosecutor alleged that I was a "loose cannon" who modified my glock trigger so I could shoot faster. Thankfully I still had the factory box that has the label showing I bought it from glock with a 4.5 lb pull. Same prosecutor alleged I was militant because I wore a BDU style uniform instead of class C's. Of course it didn't matter that I was a K9 handler and constantly running after the dog and suspects shredded my class C's. Liberals will say or do anything to make you look bad. Thankfully I was acquitted and returned to duty but later left law enforcement after the bitter taste wouldn't wash out.
I know this is an old comment of yours but I wanted to add some thoughts. I am skeptical of prosecutes in general so often they are either elected officials or their boss is. Guilty verdicts are how they keep score and a high score looks good come election time. Next as you experienced are the complete firearms idiots typified by the two dolts in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, I dont give a damn how many people certified that AR was not loaded still do not point a gun at anyone with your finger on the trigger.
I know of no better system than a trial but a trial is not to me a search for truth and or justice. It is a contest between lawyers of who can evoke the strongest emotions in a jury. Facts and common sense be dammed. Example is you wearing BDUs.
Things like the BDUs can be explained but a misleading idea could be planted in the jurors minds.
@@glennrishton5679 yes, sadly most of the time they don't look at people as PEOPLE only wins and losses
You're obviously still bitter. I hope you find peace.
@@nohero178theres always a smart ass. It was 20 years ago, I'm good...
@@shawnnance3670Yeah, the irony is HE'S Bitter lmao. On something, so he's so jaded he projects it lmao.
When i see people with the punisher skull on their pistol... 🤦♂️
Yeah not the pistol but the holster if you’re into it !
Seems like something the Yankee Marshal would do!😏
What about "Smile and wait for the flash" on the fore end of your rifle? I've seen that.
obliviox you mean I shouldn’t carry my Punisher 1911 with the Extra-Hair Trigger loaded with my Diablo Super Spatter-666 Exploding Guaranteed to kill you & yo mamma ammo?? Damn, what this country coming too??
@@garynelson9538 LOL. :-)
Massad’s voice is a defensive weapon in and of itself!!!
Good advise. I need to see my carry gun not just through my eyes, but also through the potential eyes of 12 jurors selected specifically for their inexperience with guns.
The legendary Massad Ayoob ... my teacher 😃👍👌
Thank you, John
@Green Giant Hahaha very funny.
Dude.... best.... video.... YET! No John I’m being serious, this video just changed my ENTIRE outlook on triggers. I’m making sure all my triggers break at 4lbs AT LEAST from now on. Never once has it been how “smooth” the trigger was... it’s always been how “light” the trigger was.... words of wisdom. PLEASE John, more videos like this with legal experts! Keep killin’ it!! Mas is amazing!
Mas speaks with the calm authority of someone who has spent decades honing his opinions. The interviewer deserves some respect for being gracious enough to allow Mas to hold the stage. Good team work, guys. I could see countless additional videos of Mas offering real world gems of advice.
Except the man in the red shirt can’t be more wrong. There is a reason “you have a right to remain silent” is in place.
@@michaelmcgee335 , after all, he only has 43+ years as an expert witness.
John Korea . Active Self Protection
John, you’ve been killing it with the content lately ! Keep it up brother
"Most of you listening to this [have probably been lulled into a deep sleep]"
joking aside, a lot of good info. Massad is a real deal OG.
His voice is so deep!
Massad needs his own channel, he would have a tremendous following.
I would follow the notifications religiously
Yup
He does some excellent videos on the Wilson Combat channel.
@@glennrishton5679 Yes he does but I wish he would get out from under Bill Wilson. Wilson cannot build affordable 1911s and he degraded it with 9mm.
@@slypperyfox I dont mind that Wilson 1911s are more than I'm willing to pay. I dont see that as a fault. To me he builds a 1911 where the other manufacturers such as the ones I have make 1911s. Craftsmanship vs production.
I agree with you on the 9mm. I did get a Wilson Sig P320 and love it. Was shooting it today in fact.
Mas needs to be a voice over actor he is the morgan freeman of the gun world
This is the first time I’ve heard Mr Ayoob raise his voice
I feel like if he were to raise his voice in anger I'd feel very scared
My 7 pound MP Shield trigger was unusable. I put a 4 pound Apex on it. Now i can shoot it more accurately. THE END.
Absolutely unusable I dumped mine for a Taurus much much better
I find the 6 lb trigger on my Walther PPS to be just fine. I havent shot a shield 9mm in quite some time but I dont remember the factory trigger being that bad. I definitely agree with Mas that it's the smoothness, not the weight that makes a good trigger.
I did exactly that with my Shield. My G19 has a 4.5# Ghost connector. My EDC is a P365 with a stock trigger. Trigger pull is between 4.5 and 5 lbs and all 3 are smooth with similar trigger pulls. Consistency within established limits is my goal.
Man y'all are spoiled. Revolvers run 13 pounds on double action and they shoot just fine.
You missed the point.....not THE END of the story as seen by a jury.....YOU MODIDIFIED IT TO AN UNSAFE LEVEL ( they will say....and be hard to defend to a "non-gun" group of people)
This has solidified that I should just train more with my stock trigger. Thanks to you both!
This is an excellent subject . I'm going to contact Berretta to find out if putting a " D " spring in my 92FS drops it below the manu minimum specs . Thanks guys !
On mine it only eased it up very slightly nothing to brag about. It certainly won`t be considered a trigger job on a 92FS.
Also the conversion of the safety to de-cocker only “G.”
Be careful with the D spring. I ended up having a serious problem with light strikes. I completely bombed a competitive shooting match as a result.
The amount of reduced trigger weight is minor. I wouldn't be concerned at all about deviating too far from the original specs.
Mr. Ayoob pretty much confirmed everything I've been telling students for years. One thing I also tell them is to ditch things like stickers or signs that have "cute" little quotes on them. I tell them to picture the jury as though they're a bunch of rabid anti-gunners, and it was their kid you shot. Cause the last thing you need is the DA showing them pictures of you wearing a shirt that says "When In Doubt, Shoot Em Again".
@@papimaximus95 you really don't understand that there are civil and criminal proceedings. The standard of proof in a civil proceeding is lower than criminal court and you can get hammered for negligence. If they can paint you out to be some "badass" who can't wait to shoot someone and runs around with t-shirts and decals advertising as such, then good luck taking your chances with your assets on the line. Ayoob is giving solid advice. It also goes to state of mind even in a criminal case if lawyers want to paint you as someone who can't wait to shoot someone to argue your use of force was not lawful.
@Papi Maximus it’s about the perception the jurors have of you and not the technicality of the law as written. People can be emotionally manipulated with a narrative, and that’s what this is all about. It shouldn’t affect the trial facts and whatnot, but it does to a degree.
Stickers, shirts, online posts. Unless you are comfortable with it being shown in a court room don't put it out there.
Tangentially related, enjoy this clip from John Mulaney on your past coming back to haunt you in court. th-cam.com/video/JkSQk88e4DM/w-d-xo.html The part in question only goes to 1:42 but it is certainly entertaining.
@@papimaximus95 Its not about the justification of the use of force, its about the jury's perception of you. You cant live in some fantasy world where the only thing that matters is right and wrong. Thats not the world we live in. How the jury perceives you is 100% the difference between life in jail and free on the streets.
@@papimaximus95 just admit you're wrong
MAS: "I wrote an article for Combat Handguns magazine back in the 80's where I interviewed..." ME: "Holy crap, I remember reading that back when it first came out!" Damn, I feel old...
The old age bus comes outta nowhere...
Dale, I am RIGHT there with you, man. Read all of Mas' stuff.
You too, huh?
😆Right?? Lol Mas has literally helped shape now 2 generations of responsible gun carriers. Conversely, when I hear someone rant about “Mas is full of bs...” that pretty much tells me all I need to know about *their* opinion... 🤣
@@ASPextra
And sometimes it backs up.... just to make sure it did a good enough job.
Sht, my unit commemorative gun has its motto on the side: “strike to kill”... I guess I will carry something else.
Have it engraved "It squirts, heavy"
Thank you John for this great data and knowledge. His actual court room experience is good as gold.
Also, don't use a "Shake Weight." They will say you made your hands stronger so the trigger will be lighter. It might go off in your hand! :)
The smiley face isnt enough for alot yo know this is a joke. God help them😂
Hahahahahaha😂😆😂😆
Ladies and Gentlemen of the gun community I present to you an EXPERT say no more
All of my carry Glocks have modified triggers using Glock parts. My answer to an attorney would be, "So I can shoot more accurately without endangering innocent bystanders".
To play devil's advocate, your defense attorney would in all likelihood strongly advise you against testifying, so you won't get to give that testimony. You're probably better off with genuine OEM Glock parts though.
@@payleryder45 You are correct, just because one comes up with a "CUTE ANSWER" one are not going to rule the situation. Cute remarks make the witenss or accused appear ARROGANT, they are looking for ARROGANT. BB
"So Mr. D, it is your testament that you modify your guns to make it easier to shoot people, is that correct? On an average day, how many times do you think about needing to shoot people? Do you have plans or contingencies developed in your mind for these shootings you plan? Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, this man is clearly actively looking for any situation that might possibly justify his murderous blood lust. What might set him off next time?"
Whenever you get the idea that you are more clever than the attorney who is trying to throw you in jail for the rest of your life, remember, you only have to make one mistake, say one wrong thing, or have one thing you said twisted into something else, and you lose. It doesnt matter if he loses, only if you do.
Put more than 1 bullet in the bad guy. It's hard to argue negligent discharge when there are 3 bullets high center in 4in group
Then they use your excessive shots fired against you.
@@gblargg 3 shots i hardly excessive.
Damn right. Never pull the trigger unless you're justified to kill your intended target, and you'll be fine. If you're justified to kill, there is no such thing as excessive.
Always good content when Mas is speaking. I view him as the ultimate firearm Guru.
All you need to understand is the average I.Q. is *100* and half the population of your _"peers"_ is *below* that...
Could listen to this guy all day. Great cast. Carries a Berretta. Nice.
I've listened to or read everything Massad Ayoob has written on the legal liabilities of self defense and gun ownership over the years. It's a shame that a huge part of the responsibility that comes with gun ownership is the legal considerations you have to make, from ammo to modifications to the intricacies of the law.
Mr Ayoob is the gold standard in these things. Listen , heed.
I have one question. What if you meant to put the bullet/bullets in a home Invaders chest and didn't try to say the gun accidentally went off? Maybe I missed something but all I heard was negligence and if I did then I apologise. There's no negligence in defending your life and what if the closest thing to you is your competition rig? My edc is either a stock p365 or hellcat so I'm not a hater just asking a solid question.
I guess this means carrying a Polymer80 "ghost gun" is out of the question...
Nah just use a standard trigger parts kit in it
Dodd Garger I disagree with you. As a gun grabber it’s easy to accuse you of having made a homemade gun so that you could kill my client and attempt to never be caught for doing so. A P80 should just be a range gun.
@@Aspen910 that should be easily debunked in court when your attorney points out that you called the police to report the shooting and waited for the police to arrive
Yea, pretty much. If a zealous prosecuting attorney can jab at a lightened trigger, you bet they will jab at a home made firearm. if it is not serialized yet, even more fuel for that fire. That makes you look like a criminal, you didn't want the gun to be traced to you.
Besides from a reliability standpoint, do you really trust your workmanship more than a gun made at a factory? With skilled laborers, maintained tooling, quality assurance personnel, and a proven track record. Plus you can practice with these guns for thousands and thousands of rounds, to ensure they are indeed reliable with your carry ammunition. I have personally seen a P80 lower where the rear and front rails for the slide were not level with each other. It actually worked with a glock factory slide, but not the aftermarket slide the owner was trying to install.
IMO, a P80 is a range toy or a science project, never something to be seriously carried or used.
P80 really is for shtf, not something I would go public with.
How to remove the "hair trigger" argument posed by unscrupulous attorneys...have only factory spec carry/duty triggers.
Good stuff. Mas becomes even more legendary for carrying an LTT 😎
Can I just carry Mas instead?
I read this man's books in the 1980's and he was my fave instructor-from-afar. I'm so glad to see him as wise and articulate as ever, and now I know he also has the "voice of power". This man is sharp and experienced, so listen up.
My 3.5lb Glock 17 drop in makes me more accurate and less likely to miss, I'd rather be alive and sued since I don't have squat besides a bunch of guns anyway
3.5 pounds is highly unnecessary. Don't underestimate the justice system. It could destroy your entire life and render you penniless.
You will not be sued only
-prison time
-possible death penalty depending on date
-media attention
-prison rape
@@Snubrevolver the single action trigger on my g2c is about 3.5 from the factory... So is the g3...
Honestly, the idea that a prosecution is going to argue a shooting was accidental/negligent while the defendant argues the shooting was intentional, but justified, is a bit ridiculous. If you intended to pull the trigger, it doesn’t matter how light it is, and it doesn’t matter who modified it. Cosmetic modifications can be a different story.
Yeah my buddies and I have had long conversations about this back and forth. I was originally the "never modify the trigger!" kinda guy, until I realized just how much more accurate I can be by changing just one or two things on my Glock. It really does seem like you'd basically be hitting the unlucky powerball lottery to actually have a case where you lose because you modified a trigger a little bit.
One of my main concerns when conceal carrying is mass shooter defense. That's why I always carry at my church, and I'm being trained by the head of security there. One could argue that you'd never need to make a 40-50 yard shot, until someone with an AR takes a shot at you or someone else down a long hallway or out in a parking lot at that distance.
tv92taylor. I'm thinking the same thing.... If I felt my life was in danger and I shot the perp, how can someone else possibly say I'm guilty for a negligent discharge? But then again, pretty much everything else in the world is completely insane right now, so kinda fits in...
I think he meant that the prosecution would argue you don't know where or what you are going to hit. If your trigger is so light you may have got away with hitting the intended target but what about an errand shot? What do i mean? If you are in a defensive shooting and the person you shot had 3 bullet wounds but you only have 6 rounds left in your magazine. Where did the rest go? They could argue negligence that you put others in danger because of the modification to the gun (not that you were a bad shot and missed).
It will come up big in the civil lawsuit, as he explained the lawyers will paint you as negligent since it's a wrongful death lawsuit
@@mahituna1 I guess the bottom line is we're really at a point with our criminal and civil justice system that we can't really defend ourselves. You can furlough the actually physical assault to your body, but then basically the state will just steal everything from you afterwards from a financial sense, all because you had the audacity to not be a helpless lamb that is completely and utterly dependent upon the strong arm of the government.
What a fantastic interview! Mass explains it so very well. Thanks John and Mass!
I'd like to hear Ayoob's take on the Wuestenberg incident. 👍👍
Andrew Branca put out his opinion on it recently on lawofselfdefense.com. Well worth a listen.
I carried, & still do sometimes, a Glock 23 gen 3 with a Wolf 40 to 9mm conversion barrel in it and a Ghost disconnector. Recently I replaced the whole Glock trigger with a Timney Alpha trigger. I changed parts because I target shoot with it. I'm not wealthy, so I also carry it. I likely will never have to shoot anyone. I sure hope not. But to me, to make a gun more accurate and easier to shoot means that if I did have to use the gun, I'm less likely to miss & hit something or someone I didn't want to hit. My finger is never in the trigger guard until I'm ready to shoot. I even carry ammo that I reloaded. Why? Again, because I'm not wealthy. So if I have hundreds of rounds that I made, why the hell would I spend $1 each round for self-defense ammo? I can't target practice with $1 per round ammo.
It's common sense. Even Jerry Miculek doesn't carry a 2 pound trigger for self defense. There are no absolutes but carrying a trigger made for speed shooting I'd say there's a high probability that you'll shoot an unintended target in a high stress situation. Gr8 vid. 🔫
The government of any kind needs to stay out of my home, my mind, my church and my gun.
Amen!
Brailsford is a former police officer is Mesa, AZ who engraved his duty rifle with "you're fucked" and Molon Labe. He later shot and killed a suspect who had pointed a pellet gun out of his hotel room. The suspect died and Brailsford was charged with Second Degree Murder and ultimately acquitted.
And the engravings were not really part of the trial. They were the reason he was fired from the police department, but reading some of the cases, I don't see anything about them in the judgements. Not disputing, but also not really seeing how it's relevant.
He wasn't charged because of what he had on his gun he was charged because he shot a kid who wasn't a threat at the time.
Cool. I also carry the Elite LTT as my chosen EDC. Good to know Mas carries it as well :)
NOt so fast, LOL. He likely changes carry guns as often as undergarments. Part of doing research and staying relevant.
Sorry but Massad's a relic and is dated. Industry has moved on, he has just been left behind. Adapt or die.
Thank you for this timely and informative video. No trigger upgrades for me now. Reminds me of the old joke: What do you call a thousand lawyers lying dead on the ocean floor? A good start. And what's the difference between a dead skunk lying in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer lying in the middle of the road? There are skid-marks in front of the skunk. Want 1 more? What's the difference between a lawyer and a catfish? One's a scum sucking bottom feeder. The other's a fish. Finally, there's the standard definition lawyers have for a jury: 12 individuals not smart enough to get off jury duty. Kinda all fits with the central core of your video.
Guess I won’t ever be using my g43 with the backplate that says f around and find out 😢
I love Massad. Everytime I listen to him I learn something new. I love how he gives legal arguments like he is in the court room. My question or statement is a standard Glock advertised trigger is 5.5lbs which in reality when tested is about 6.5lbs. I have a 4.5lbs drop in trigger bar and a titanium safety plunger which does not affect the trigger pull weight but the smoothness of the trigger pull. I believe my personal gun pulls at least 5lbs or just above which nearly everyone out there would still consider safe. My point I am making is that the advertised trigger weight is normally is little lighter than the actual pull weight since gun mfr's do not want to be sued. In my personal opinion if your actual trigger pull weight is within 1/2lbs of advertised trigger weight then you should be fine. Just make sure to follow common gun safety rules including don't place your finger inside the trigger guard unless you are going to shoot. Also make sure to get several days worth of extra training including things like deesculation, medical, force on force with evidence of course completion. I personally was surprised when doing force on force and shoot/don't shoot exercises how easily it was just to react and shoot without thinking when already stressed when someone unexpectedly jumps out of a doorway less than arms length in front of you waving their arms screaming for help. How you think you would act and how you actually act are not the same.
Don't modify the Glock trigger, even if they are Glock factory parts from another gun. Reference court case SANTIBANES VS. TOMBALL(HOUSTON), 2006.
americanhandgunner.com/the-ayoob-files/unintended-shot-the-santibanes-incident/
@@miker1721 Fantastic link, thanks for sharing.
My personal favorite authority. I love his old videos from the 80s. Great interview.
Through many years of going through firearms training, I've heard the same thing that Massad has said. The opposing side is going to say that you intentionally had that firearm modified to make it easier to kill someone. I am proud to say that have also been one of Massad's students, an experience I will never forget. Some say his techniques are "old school," he doesn't follow modern techniques. If you have ever seen the gentleman shoot, there is nothing wrong with what one would call "old school."
Jim
Never cock a double action revolver Shows intent to shoot.
Attorneys will say anything to make you look bad and bolster their case against. Don't worry about what they might say. Worry about why you did what you did and be able to explain it. They tell you you modified the trigger to kill easier, you say I modified it to shoot more accurately.
Show us where that's ever been successfully used to get someone convicted.
I had heard that rumor about Ayoob and the modified trigger thing (as well as the hand loaded ammo thing) decades ago. Glad to have it clarified - much appreciated.
Super good information as always. thanks John keep up the good work, and stay healthy, from your fellow Phoenician.
I don't understand this video. Does it only apply to a negligent discharge? If you intentionally use a gun for a justified lethal use of force shooting... It's not negligence. Isn't it clear you intentionally pulled the trigger no matter what the weight is?
Great talking points, armed citizens have to think of the legal ramifications of a shooting, the legal system is tricky business... Cover your ASP 😎
As a side-note, I own some very expensive pistols, but the one I carry is the one that I can afford to lose to the police.
Good info John, thank you both for the interview.
When do we get to hear the story of how Massad participated in your defense? If you already uploaded it can you provide the link?
When I first read Massad's book, he warns heavily against carrying staggered loads i.e. hollowpoint followed by FMJ and then say a wadcutter ....bad news .
The counter attorney will claim you were looking to kill or even to get into a shootout .
Staggered loads is a no no ... carry one type of bullet only
So I am guessing that drilling out a lead bullet, putting mercury in the cavity, and plugging the tip with lead is a no-no? For those of you that don't know, that was an old CIA trick for assassinations.
@Rusty Shackleford: EXACTLY!
Different kinds of firearms, loads, etc., exist for a REASON!
They should just cut to the chase, and pass a law allowing only one kind of ammo.
After all, nobody "needs" more than one kind... right?
I mean, you're saying you've shot someone, and you're worried about an attorney claiming you were "looking to kill" them? Or claiming that you were "looking to get into a shootout"... not because you were carrying a DEADLY WEAPON, but because of your AMMO CHOICE?
Sounds like some of the bullshit advice given out by "drama queen" concealed-carry instructors. I just overheard one of them telling a class this past weekend that they needed to buy concealed-carry insurance (I'm guessing he gets a commission) because, when they go somewhere that doesn't allow weapons, they will probably accidentally shoot someone while trying to leave their weapon in their car. (WTF?)
Best just leave your weapon at home, then. Or carry an air pistol... with plastic pellets.
@@lordofthewoods carry marshmallows. The left right now won't tolerate any self defense, so it doesn't really matter. The only acceptable course of action is for you to be dead by thug.
I even go a step further. I get ammunition with the name “defense” or “police” or anything that sounds official, especially if the local police like to use it.
Would simply polishing trigger components for smooth operation be considered a questionable modification?
Massad Ayoob has been one of my practical shooting heroes for quite a while. ASP Rocks for bringing him on.
Yeah, this is good advice, and it may not be the way it should be but it's the reality of the criminal justice system in America. I actually had a buddy who was carrying a Glock 43 for his everyday carry and he did some upgrading to the pistol which included some TFX sights, stainless steel guide rod, grip enhancement by way of stippling, improved slide cuts by way of custom milling, and he added one of those little streamlight laser/light combos that actually attaches around the trigger guard cause you know there's no rail space on the 43. With all that said he didn't do anything to the internals, no upgraded trigger shoe or trigger bar, nothing. Well I was totally fine with the pistol and thought it was very nice, that was until I saw the one upgrade I just missed until I actually looked it over in person. He had replaced the factory rear slide plate, you know the one you have to remove to take the striker out and such, with a aftermarket aluminum plate that said "Infidel". I gave him a circumstance in which that could be seen or interpreted by a court of law as a very negative or even potentially radical word to have on a firearm, and while the odds are very low as a standard civilian, in terms of you actually ending up in an encounter that results in the discharge of your personal protection weapon, their high enough that millions of people including myself carry on a regular basis. I didn't even get into the what if scenario where the person or persons you end up in a deadly force encounter with would happen to be of a particular religion or decent.
John is like a boy in a candy shop talkin to Ayoob lol
Any body have a link for the case he spoke about at the end, Arizona vs railsberg ? I couldn't find. Thanks.
Brailsford?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
Arizona v. Brailsford
That was the case when the PD shot an unarmed and fully compliant man in a La Quinta hallway. The AR that the PD used had a dust cover with "You're fucked" written on it.
Yeah, I got curious and had to go look it up too. Turns out that the offensive wording and logo on his rifle was motivation for the prosecutor to bring charges. Judge did not allow that “evidence” into the trial. www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2017/09/08/profane-etching-ex-mesa-officer-phillip-mitch-brailsford-gun-inadmissible-daniel-shaver-murder-trial/648709001/
@@allmac600 that was also a ridiculously unjustified shooting
I love that this is clearly filmed in a church. Fantastic sermon. Mas is a legend. John is a future legend.
Thank you sir, may I have some more??? 😁
Great video! Thank you John and Massad!
Keep yourselves safe!
Randy
Great info. Thanks to you both for sharing this with your followers.
The hero worship in this video is nauseating.
I'm a believer in stock. Most quality pistols these days will outshoot most shooters. I like to change out grips but none of that punisher skull crapola.
This guy is giving exceptionally bad advice I disappointed John gave him platform.
Mas is a nationally-recognized SME. You can disagree, but he is literally a legend.
Great video! I don't understand how there can be any questions about trigger weight if you intended to shoot and hit what you were aiming at. "Ladies and gentlemen, the deceased was shot while committing an armed robbery." Case closed.🙂
That's because you still think that the goal of a trial is to find the truth, when in fact the goal is to convince a jury and you can bet each side will use every underhanded tool at their disposal to do so.
@@jayzenitram9621 exactly
no he was not idiot look it up
@@jayzenitram9621 So true. I've sat on a couple juries and both times, I saw them make comments that they knew would be overruled and expunged, and the judge would tell us to ignore the statement, but they'd say it anyway because they knew we'd remember and it would at least subconsciously bias us. Disgusting.
If you can't rely on a jury, or prosecutor to carry out justice... what have we become? Cops too... there's good ones and bad ones. Now even the good ones don't want to work, and who can blame 'em.
Great!!! Knowledge is power. Thank you for sharing that!!!!!
Thank you for the great info in this video.
Was considering a trigger upgrade on my sd9ve. Drop the standard 8-10lb trigger pull down closer to 5-6lbs.
I decided to reached out to Smith & Wesson first, to find out what thier min trigger weight spec is from the factory, and they actually recommend a 6-7lb trigger as the min. The trigger upgrade would have dropped the pull weight below what the factory recommends.
You could also just not go With the lowest class of firearm you could purchase.
All these years, and it's still just "they can". Haven't come across a case yet, where someone has been convicted of a good shoot, because of some kind of weapon mod. Anyone?
I haven't seen it come up other than in cases of negligent discharges.
Can we have a link to the Arizona case in reference? Or atleast a written title i couldnt quite catch the defendants name
google: arizona vs officer brailsford
@@Timboykee Only thing I can find is a officer who shot and killed a drunk man, has nothing to due with his points of not using stupid ammo/guns/decals.
@@valravn126 Brailsford had "F you" inscribed on the dust cover of his AR
@@valravn126 "An internal investigation report revealed that Brailsford had violated department weapon policy by engraving his patrol rifle with the phrases "You're fucked" and "Molon labe" (a Greek expression meaning "come and take them").[28]"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
Well, using that case as a reference actually contradicts the point of this video since the cop that murdered Daniel Shaver got off.
Really informative-- really appreciate listening to Massad. I recently went through a reputable place in CZ Custom to smooth out my triggers on my p-07 and p-01 omega models. With the swapped out hammer and recoil springs, the DA weight came down to about 7.75 lbs, and the SA pull is now 3.5-3.75 lbs. The did some polishing as well. The trigger is much smoother on the p-07 than on the p-01. It makes me wonder if I'm at risk having modified them after watching this video, if the 'standard' is considered 4 lbs for any striker fired or SA gun pull, even though I went through a place who modifies thousands of CZ's for both competition as well as personal defense.
This channel is under appreciated given the consistent string of top experts providing on point advice and demonstrations.
My glock 19x is stock except I did install the OverWatch precision trigger flat face that is and the trigger pull weight is 4.5 lb. Is that acceptable?
I'm curious what the stance would be in making a change to a part common in newer models of a handgun series, such as throwing a D spring in a legacy model of Beretta, since it is factory in most of their newest offerings. It doesn't disable safeties and it doesn't drop the trigger weight below any thresholds, but it does make the trigger lighter
Good stuff.
Massad...my first educator about concealed carry. "In the Gravest Extreme". John, did you record this in your church?
Did Mr. Ayoob show you the back up revolver in his pocket?🤔
Lol you noticed the left hand too, huh?
Willing to bet Mr. Ayoob also has nice ankle jewelry? The man is BOSS!
If your life is being threatened and you admit that you deliberately fired to stop the attack, what difference does it make if the trigger pull is lighter than production?
It usually only comes up in cases of negligence.
Excellent listen, me personally, I never change the stock trigger. YOU learn to shoot whatcha got, good! Obviously what we heard here proves it can/could save you jail time and millions of dollars
If you have a good self defense case, you will likely never be charged. If you do get arrested and the prosecutor is resorting to how your gun looks, and they type of ammo you used, etc. They are pretty desperate. Think about it, why would punisher skulls on your gun matter to anyone if someone broke into your home and threatened you? Reminds me of the Rittenhouse trial. That case was obviously self defense and the prosecution was desperate. At one point they were chastising Rittenhouse for using FMJ ammo and his basic response was he didn't really know much about ammo, ammo is ammo to him. Needless to say, he was acquitted of all charges.
@@jnick1909 all sounds good and logical to us but you and I know even if living in a pro 2nd amendment state (some) DA’s are not 2A friendly and will spin there side of the story any way possible to get you convicted. Why give them anymore possible reasons to get you convicted?
@@kylewood8327 I hear what you're saying but where's the data on this? Can you find me how many cases where people were convicted based on how their gun performed and looked vs the case itself just being a bad or imperfect self defense case ?
@@jnick1909 This isn’t a debate about I’m right and you’re wrong.
@@kylewood8327 I'm not necessarily saying that, but I think having data points vs. just anecdotal stories is a better bet. All I'm saying is if you are wanting that apex trigger, or whatever upgrade you want, don't be afraid not to get it because of a situation like that. Attorneys can say anything. You can also respond by saying I got it because it makes me more accurate, it looks cool, or I've got diminished hand muscles and it's easier for me to shoot, etc. etc.
If your attorney is worth their salt, I'm not even sure how arguing about how your gun looked or the trigger pull is even relevant to bring up, and not subject to an objection. Relevance and prejudicial?
Does massad have a law degree? I respect his opinion on applied tactics but I cannot accept him as a legal expert.......most lawyers aren’t subject matter experts,.
I have stock triggers, but without hands on or video of non triggered discharge I don’t see it as dangerous.
Read his books.
I had this same discussion with another operator last week. Glad to see the master speak on this subject.
@gothael1 vey!
You operate a microwave
Love hearing from Massad. Thank you for making this video.
I’m curious how a jury will react to an Apex duty/carry trigger kit in a M&P shield with a manual safety?
Does Massad Ayoob's toupee need to be fed and watered, or did he kill that squirrel before he strapped it to his bald head?
We should trade rugs next time we do a video together.
That guy is the coolest man ever. Thanks for the time with a legend John.
Carry a DA/SA that first trigger pull is long no matter what you do to it.
My Beretta 96 has all the bells and whistles except the decocker only mod for the safety
Heck Mas could host Coast to Coast, even Art Bell would listen from beyond the grave. Talk about a voice made for radio.
I like how just because "thats the way its always been for 1911s, etc..." is the reasoning for this whole trigger thing, lmfao, ya we also used to not have hollowpoints either for a while so should we not use those either? Obviously a 2.5 trigger pull is way too light but i dont see any issue with having 3.5-4 pound trigger pull, which is what ive come to find is the most common trigger pull weight for custom triggers. Also with the rittenhouse case, theyve prooven that theyll go after you for anything, he used fmj bullets which they considered to be "military rounds" and then in other cases they say hollowpoints are evil because theyre intended to expand and do more damage. I just say that dont have any "youre going to hell" type engravings or decals on your pistol and ur good haha
I have always respected Mas.
I discussed this with the local DA and basically if you intend to shoot the person in a self defense situation the modification of the trigger is mute , however if you carelessly or negligently fire the firearm and someone is injured or killed then you'd be liable. Basically if you shoot someone make sure you are able to articulate the facts justifying the firing of the firearm in self defensive. The law here states if justified according to the law you can not be criminally charged or civilly sued. #2 As long as it's justifiable and intentional weight is not an issue, you made it smoother, more trigger control to make sure I don't hit an unintended target by being able to keep my sights properly aligned as I pull the trigger in self defense.
Summary of video: the Sig P250 is the most underrated pistol if all time. Hahaha