I'm loving when knowledgeable TH-camrs deep dive into technical topics like this and unlike film studios, they're not bound by truncating the time length. Reminds me of Frederick Knudson's 5.5 hour deep dive into EVE.
Love all your star wars content. It's great that you have shorter videos for when you don't have alot of time but also have these giant long videos when you have alot of time to kill... keep up the great and honest content
I recently watched it as well and have started watching the movies for the first time! I listened to it at work and while driving to sports practice and finished it in a day 😅 it was super interesting
1 million member worlds and 69 million colony worlds. The fact that the Empire believed that they could do a better job than the Republic was the biggest con that Palpatine pulled.
@guru230 Thrawn may be more genuine but he is still grossly neglectful of the citizens of the empire. He supported slavery and poor working conditions under the empire and was willing to destroy entire planets because the CITIZENS of those planets don't want to be imperials. He may not be as selfish or evil as Palpatine but he is just as flawed.
It kinda puts the destruction of Alderran in perspective though. As a pure fear tactic it leaves a lot to be desired as it means that if the death star could travel to a new planet every single day, then it would take 2,739 years just to get through all the core worlds. If I was a rebel and was worried about my homeworld being next on the list, I'd definitely take those odds! Also I suspect Alderran wouldn't have really been a headline grabber, and that at least one of those 70 million worlds would be experiencing a cataclysm at any given time.
@@Wintermute909the deathstar had a hyperspace drive capable of jumping the entire station around, so it’s very fair to say the station could likely take out multiple systems (planet clusters) every day. I also think you underestimate how massive the impact of losing Alderaan was. It was the cultural center of the core worlds, a massive economic hub, and one of the most populous planets. Also, even with so many planets, while it’s almost guaranteed that some are in crisis at any given time, most of them don’t just blow up randomly.
Imperial Naval Doctrine would've soundly crushed the Confederacy and the Vong, but against the rebels, it wasn't the way, so the Empire deployed special units like Death Squadron or the Storm Commandos to go up against the rebels instead.
People seem to forget that the Rebels are all ex imperials aka IT really doesnt Matter what tricks the Empire or what stuff they have. All Rebels are ex imperials the best ones we're in imperial Elite troops ,they know how the Empire Works and how to counter them.
I think you mean their fleet composition. It seems like their actual naval doctrine and tactics were either very weak, or a lot of commanders didn't bother following them. And a lot of this seems to come down to pride - which makes a bit of sense when you consider that the Empire was a Human First organization - which would tend to instill a sense of superiority in the officer core. So the reason that someone like Tarkin didn't take all the actions that would have seemed like common sense is not just that he didn't see any a threat, but that giving a full throated response would have indicated that the Rebels were worthy of such a response. Letting the Rebels smash themselves against his "indestructible" battle stations was a snub towards his enemies.
@@reclaimatorerebus6531 Actually, in most engagements the Empire won against Sep remnants and the Rebels. Their fleet strategies worked most of the time. It's just that the Rebels won a few key battles, and the Empire spiraled into civil war when Palpatine disappeared. Also Tarkin would've won if Luke didn't have the Force. He wasn't being overly proud; he was being logical. They even had a rebel who used his targeting computer to hit the Death Star's exhaust port, and it didn't work. Luke had to use the Force to aim.
@@HolyknightVader999 I'm not nearly as well versed in the post-Legends stuff, so they may have changed the cannon, but from what I recall, while the Empire did manage to trap and decimate Rebel fleets a few time, because of the flexibility of the hyperspace equipped fighters, Rebels were able to pick their fights, and either destroy the target, or retreat if resistance was too strong. This means that the Empire probably did have regular "victories" in that they successfully defended a target and drove off the rebels, but in a lot of those cases, the rebels were able to retreat with minimal, or even no losses. So while the target was safe for the day, the rebels would still have the resources to hit somewhere else. tomorrow. To your point though, at least pre-Yavin, I think this was a much more of an annoyance, and wasn't going to change the balance of power in the universe until the Rebels showed themselves (or at least got the perception) to be an actual threat by destroying the DS1. Absolutely agree that the Rebels got super lucky with both death stars, but the first one in particular. But you should always try to plan for luck along with everything else. Yes the threat from the snub fighters was small, but a competent commander will eliminate every threat they can, especially when there was no real opportunity cost for Tarkin the blot out the sun with Ties. It's also worth noting that several other fighters probably would have gotten shots off if Vader hadn't taken the initiative to launch his personal fighter squad.
Elon Musk could have destroyed the Rebels on a budget, he would have sent robotaxis to for a blockade of worlds who don't pay taxes as he lobbies to have his companies not pay taxes. He would have sent robots to storm each planet for lithium for his robotaxis because they are more efficient than actual storm Troopers. He would have also definitely designed the Cyber Star Destroyer and OTA updated it with new turbo lasers and faster hyperdrives.
The Empire when confronted by a full-blown rebellion would have the equivalent of what the British Royal Navy World War 2 mobilization plan which included the use of minor civilian shipyards. These yards built specially designed Admiralty Trawlers for anti-submarine work and war emergency escorts to war service only corvettes and frigates. Larger first-class merchant yards would latter build the numerous light fleet aircraft carriers. In less than a year they Royal Naval more than doubled its size by calling up merchant ships as armed merchant cruisers, armed boarding steamers, minelayers, ships converted into anti-aircraft gun armed convoy escorts; maintence and depot ships; fishing trawlers converted as anti-submarine trawlers or minesweeper trawlers. This was later seeing some tankers and bulk grain ships fitted with a flight deck with for 4 aircraft while still carrying its cargo as Merchant Aircraft Carrier (not the same as the Escort Carriers) for convoy defense. This is an incomplete list of what a maritime empire can do when it has to reach out and use alternative sources of ships.
The Gozanti was an attempt tp do this same thing for the Empire. Trawler-type ship that could serve as a patrol vessel, light troop carrier and mini-starfighter carrier.
This is also economic suicide that can only be justified in an existential crisis. Maritime empires are dependent on maritime trade and other related industries. Remember that the British Empire imploded after WW2. For an empire to remain it needs a few things. Open flow of information and resources to the central authority and the ready ability to quickly dispatch military and economic resources to the border regions to keep the local government from getting any ideas. With the British military depleted, her coffers empty in debt to America, and her population war weary she was in no state to stop the US from destroying an empire that had genuinely made the world a better place with a good portion of her former territories falling into political and economic turmoil. "There can be no forgiveness for the damage unilateral crash decolonization has done to the world. It is the American Original Sin"
@@simonnachreiner8380you understand those countries are a mess *because* of the power vacuum and tensions created by British colonization, right? You understand it was only a good thing for British, right?
This beautiful documentary on the imperial naval forces from a galaxy far far away, is a work of art. It's taken me a week and a half to actually watch it all, and tonight on Christmas Eve 2024, I have time to feed my addiction to Star Wars. I've admired your knowledge of the Star Wars Galaxy, for a while, and try to watch as many of your videos as I can. And soak up all this information that you've acquired and I wish to thank you Allen, for bringing me a little bit of joy to this depressing world. Thank you good sir.
To make the Galactic Empire last longer and work better, it needed a well-rounded strategy that tackled governance, military, and socio-economic issues. First off, the Empire should have crafted a noble and inspiring vision that appealed to basic sentient nature, making it hard for enemies to oppose. Keeping moral authority and ensuring all actions were ethically sound would be crucial. They needed a meritocratic system where leaders were chosen based on skill and integrity. All regions, including the Outer Rim, should have felt included in the Galactic Senate to reduce dissatisfaction and build loyalty. The Empire should have focused on creating a strong economy with low business regulations and taxes, encouraging ethical practices and attracting businesses. Officers should have be trained in leadership skills like vision, communication, and character. Their military should have been organized into smaller, flexible units that support each other and are capable of operating with minimal logistics. More special task forces should have targeted enemy leaders, and lower-level commanders should have had the freedom to adapt to changing situations. Building alliances and creating discord among enemy allies should have been key. The Empire should have prioritized speed and maneuverability, and invested in infrastructure, education, and social programs to ensure a stable and prosperous society. Addressing grievances quickly would have helped prevent unrest. And, of course, building a metric sh*t ton of Arquiten Light Cruisers equipped with TIE Defenders and led by Thrawn would have also helped (instead of building a death moon). By following these strategies, the Galactic Empire might have had a better shot at staying in power and dealing with challenges effectively.
This is a children's-level grasp of how politics, the military industrial complex, and so on actually function. Unironically, I'm actually almost 70-80% certain 16 year old me had an approximate or better understanding of these things than...whatever this is supposed to be.
@@mjk9388 Aw, thanks, babe. You know what they say about sarcasm, though, right? Lowest form, wit, etc? Actually, nevermind; you didn't. You're welcome. (See, see, mummy?! I can do it, too!). Anyways, though, I'm geniunely curious; can you actually explain any of that ChatGPT output word vomit in a way that actually means something beyond being sound and words (well, not the former, but I digress), signifying nothing? Kthanxx
@@papapalps2415 I do apologize for my sarcasm. I try to treat everyone with love and respect and I clearly didn’t do that in my reply. Perhaps it was because you came out swinging with insults against a person you’ve never met and don’t know their educational or personal background. Regardless, I don’t think you’re arguing with the points made but with the likelihood or ease of the proposed solutions, which wasn’t the point I was making. As for the ChatGPT vomit comment, yes, I’ve spent the better part of two decades writing down the things I have learned from military strategy and economic history books to try to gain a better understanding of what the ideal way is to bring about more prosperity to a society and win wars with less death. I cut and pasted everything into ChatGPT and asked it to summarize it down to something that someone would actually read. I then went back and edited it down and added points Alan had made in his video. So fair point, I guess?
Pedants will say this is meaningless. Intellects will understand its a short idea explained to the finest detail: "If the Empire wasnt the Empire, itd be pretty cool."
@ 1:14:20 that sphere shape (especially the crash survivability) is why the Hughes 500 helicopter is almost a sphere with a rotor on top & a tail boom at the back.
On it's surface, the allocation of the Imperial Resources doesn't make a ton of sense. But when you bring the Vong into the picture, this is a reasonable explanation I can think of for the over allocation of resources to Capital Ships. I don't recall how much Legends Palatine knew about the Vong, but he did now there was a big threat coming. You could argue that he was stuck between trying to maintain order over an unhappy populace, and having a force capable of resisting an extragalactic threat. While a policing force of lighter ships would have been a better approach against the Rebels, such a fleet would likely have been completely run over by the Vong. So the Emperor chose more large ships and went with an intimidation strategy so there would be enough heavy fire power to counter Vong. This even brings the Death Star into clearer focus. While the focus of the space station was it's ability to destroy a planet even through planetary shielding, I'm a bit unclear on whether the 1st Death Star could have targeted individual large capitol ships. I think the game Empire at War says it can't, but in one of the books, the prototype in the Maw could. Since there were no big ships at Yavin, we didn't get a clear answer from the movies. Even without the main laser though, the station was still pretty much an automatic win button at any battle it could be brought into, just based on the shear number of normal weapons it carried. The 2nd one was even worse. When we find out about the Vong Worldships, the main laser would have been incredibly valuable. And from what I could tell, this nearly worked. Prior to Yavin, the Rebels really did seem to be more of an inconvenience - at the very least they weren't able to disrupt major projects like the Death Star. Most of the Rebels victories were incredibly lucky. Tarkin didn't really believe there was a threat to the Death Star, so didn't flood the field with Ties. Even once the Emperor decided the rebels had become annoying enough to destroy, he seemed to only use just enough resources to be able to crush the Rebel Fleet in Jedi (admittedly the Death Star 2 should have been complete overkill). Again, the Rebels got incredibly lucky at Endor, but had Palpatine had extra forces available, the over all outcome might have been different. I'm not sure Palpatine himself would have survived as that was a more personal series of misjudgments, but had the Empire succeeded in crushing the main Rebel fleet, I think it would have put a damper on insurrection, at least for a while. I'm still not convinced this was the best overall approach, and I think both Tarkin and Palpatine let their egos and personal biases towards super weapons and grand gestures. In Palpatine's case, I think when he beat the Jedi, he felt like he had won, and stopped trying as hard. He was more than skilled enough to build up a new threat to unite the galaxy, even if he didn't reference the Vong directly so as not to tip their hand. There still would have been resistance, but probably a lot more support. Either way had the empire survived as a cohesive after Endor, or had the plan actually fully worked, the Vong probably would have been dealt with much more effectively.
It be super dope if you could one day cover the Sith Order and Sith Troopers from Swtor. I know you don’t personally enjoy the samurai wizards unless it’s a compelling storyline. But the Old Republic essentially is a melting pot of what we all enjoy and some stories have all of that in one. I believe the Old Republic is so fire.
Really interesting!! I can’t recall the last time I subscribed to a channel but you have definitely earned my sub with your knowledge & quickly control !! I watched the 9 h clone wars vid over a week or so whilst busy at times but it stole my attention a lot … I’ve watched the series a couple of times as I have rebels so I’m pretty up to speed on lore !! Hope the vids keep coming especially as I’m looking forward to Andor S2 !! Hope your wisdom will be applied to the upcoming Star Wars projects & once again thanks from the U.K.
Who remembers when the TIE/D had 4 laser canons and 2 Ion cannons? I hate how Disney retconned Star Wars to the point where their own conon contradicts itself.
For the Tie Defender, the Ghosts made many calls to the rebellion for help only to be ignored or to be told that its not a priority. Luthen Rael warned that the empire was slowly crushing everyone and no one was paying attention and thats what the Tie Defender program would have accomplished. Instead, the Death Star was a very public(to the rebellion) super weapon that they banded together against
My Imperial Dream Fleet would involve a SSD, two Star Destroyers, three Arquitens, two Raider class, two, Gozantis, and a Light Carrier when it comes to roaming the galaxy
Awesome! This is my fleet here below My flagship: the asserter class dreadnought star destroyer. 2 executor class star destroyers next to my ship. 4 bellator class deatroyers. 6 allegiance class star destroyers. 10 imperial 2 class ISDs, 14 victory class star destroyers, and 20 gozanti class cruisers 😊
So fun fact completely off topic but somewhat we actually use 100% of our brains at throughout the day. I get the joke though. And yes finally an imperial documentary detailing the glory of the empire. Also when you cooking that dolphin
One thing I’ve never liked about the Star Wars media outside the comics and books is that the bad guys, whether CIS or Empire or First Order, is that they must be blatantly incompetent.
Here's a thought that occured to me. Go read at least the first season of Galaxy's Edge. Their Republic was straight lying about how many ships they had. Perhaps the Empire in Star Wars was. Makes you wonder.
@tehgerbil True. I have spent a lot of time on and off thinking about how a ISD fits into a fleet role, and the conclusion I came to was that it would be a support ship at best. It is designed for maintaining an Empire, but not for fighting a war, nor effectively fighting against insurgent forces really. Granted the plot armor is always strong with the rebels, becuase let's face it an X-wing taking out ISDs I'd a bit absurd, even with proton torpedoes. I did the math one time and if you scaled down an ISD to the size of an Iowa class battleship, and then moved an x-wing down accordingly...it would be like a 3 foot long f-16 trying to kill the battleship, but 2000lbs bombs would be the size and weight of a hand grenade. It would take a lot hand grenades... Likewise if we went with WWII loss ratios, a squadron of X-wings could fire every proton torpedo they had, could expect to lose 8 of 12 fighters, and only score 1 hit. Not a kill, just a hit. The ISD is just too much of a jack of all trades for it to be truly useful against anything except an already severely underpowered enemy. The biggest problem with the ISD question I think is plainly that it was the original ship. It's design is horribly inefficient against swarms of droid fighters, and it doesn't carry enough primary battery to really overpower any Seperatist ship that it was designed to counter.
@@chrisheitstuman6360 I think the best comparison really is that the Empire very much resembles the Battleships of old - we don't see those anymore. Even a pocket battleship like the Bismarck isn't relevant in the modern day. While powerful, it just doesn't cut it - we see more carriers, like the US Navy - it's a far better force projection tool. As you say, it's about the role it's designed to fill. The ISD is for maintaining an empire, not fighting wars, it's a symbol of wealth and power. Thrawn was right about the Victory class - it would have been a far more efficient use of resources, and far better at the role of fighting, due to it's missile capability largely, while not sacrificing too much in the fighter capacity.
@tehgerbil Agreed. You could run 3 Vic 1s or 4 Vic 2s and have more fighters and less crew, far more flexibility. I think without stepping into the realm of making my own ships....which I have done plenty of..a Venator loaded with TIEs, XG-1s, and Blastboats, paired with a Victory I for the cost vs firepower/flexibility would be what I would spend my credits on. If it were credit for credit in the Imperial era and Imperial ships. If we were talking a fleet though, like the monetary value of Daala's fleet. Or the horrendously expensive NR Fifth fleet...oh the possibilities...
@chrisheitstuman6360 Yeah, Venator is definitely a ship that should have been upgraded as an imperial carrier. In EAW I often supplement my main fleets with them for that exact reason, gives me a decent fighter carrier to supplement the firepower, plus for the cost, it really makes sense. Of course, if we're talking carriers, can't really beat a lucrehulk in universe for fighter spam. Glad you mentioned the blastboat too, way underrated bomber. Not the best in any regard but it's hardy and capable. And of course, I'd always pick a Victory 1 over a 2. Such a perfect design, really, the Vic 1. If you have enough of them it really doesn't matter what large ships your enemy fields, they'll deal with it. As for the incredibly large fleets... The possibilities are endless. I remember seeing one EU ship that was so large it had ISD's in its hangar bays. Madness, but probably infinitely better an investment than the death star. God knows how the empire would have crewed such a vessel - I think at that scale, droids is surely the only real option, unless you want to conscript the entire populace of a core world.
One thing to say is palpatine probably is referring to the "Centurian" which was ironically NOT a sith ship. It was technically speaking a republic ship born and fielded in the mandalorian wars. It became used by the sith because Revan who was the commander of the war went sith taking a lot of the navy with him. It was compact, deadly. Coming with a lot of firepower for its size. Because at this point in history almost no navy did uber sized anything. However, the harrowing was the first truly massive ship fielded by the sith...And was quite the force for its time.
I suspect that in the Star Wars universe the origin and use of the term "destroyer" is different than in real-world navies. The real-life term originated from "torpedo boat destroyer" and referred to small escort vessels intended to protect larger ships from enemy torpedo boats, but SW star destroyers, whether that's the Republic Venator- and Victory-class or the Imperial ISDs, always refers to large capital ships that outmass most ships designated as cruisers (which in real world would were larger than destroyers). I posit that the SW term originates from ships designed to destroy enemy capital ships, and is closer to real-world battleship in use.
All really good points! I'm starting to suspect that part of the reason SW has such rich lore is due to Lucas's....uh...loose logic when it came to world building. Because it has forced fans and writers of non-film media to get really, really creative to explain them.
An explanation I recall from the old canon was focused on the wedge shape design, in that it allowed the ship to bring all its weapons to bear on a stationary target - a planet - in front, making it ideal for orbital bombardment -- thus technically a "planet destroyer", but "star destroyer" sounds much cooler.
SW's ship classification schema has basically always been incoherent nonsense since day 1 and the word go; even the movies aren't great with it, and the novelizations further compound it, and the EU that immediately followed it dealt the death blow into incoherence. On the other hand, it can also feasibly be explained in many, many cases as either medium distortion, and/or as the classification schemes used by various sundry governments, corporations, organizations, and galactic superpowers being often radically different; that's what the Essential Guide to Warfare ended up deciding on as an 'explanation', which is as good as one as any, and it makes a massive degree of sense besides, and actually has the nice benefit of adding to the world building. Obviously, the ship class schema used by Kuat Drive Yards is, necessarily, going to be different than that used by Corellia, which will in turn be different from the one used by a random bumpkin third party ship producer in the Outer Rim whos main product are civilian or merchant marine oriented, in some manner or another, because they all have different clientele, usage cases, and ideas in mind for what makes a 'battleship'. Generally, however, the 'best' classification schema, and at least probably the one most used by the EU post it's out of universe introduction, is the Anaxes War College System. Which still has a number of flaws, mind, but it has the benefit of being the most consistent and well described of any of them. Although a case could also easily be made for whatever the internal schema used by Kuat Drive Yards is as the 'best' one, at least for usage in the Imperial period. In the light above, it's generally clear that while 'cruisers' and such fall below Star Destroyers paradoxically, Star Cruisers (and also Star Battlecruisers and Star Battleships/Dreadnoughts) are the actual, 'proper', galactic scale equivalent, not 'just' the term cruiser.
@@papapalps2415 To be fair to Star Wars, ship classification is incoherent in real life as well. NomicFin already alluded to how role and size of today's destroyers have little in common with their origins (the IJN's Fubuki-class really was a game-changer in that regard), and of course the explanations you listed for SW apply just as much to our real world too -- off the top of my head, Australia lists its Hobart-class as a destroyer, yet it's a subtype of the Spanish F100 frigate. And let's not even get into Japan's "escort destroyers" with their F-35 wings. YMMV, of course, but personally I was disappointed by most of the EU's later attempts to establish a system. It usually felt like the author was trying too much to shoehorn contemporary (and not just contemporary, but specifically US-centric) definitions into a fictional setting where the material thus far clearly seemed to go a different route -- and the attempt to label the Executor a "Dreadnaught" when for decades everyone had called it a Super Star Destroyer felt almost disrespectfully contrarian.
@@ddshiranui That much is true, yes; fiction mimics reality, often even if only unintentionally. Funny how things work out sometimes. As for the EU's attempts, there was really 2 main camps, as it were; the people that liked the system and scale established by the West End Games tabletop role-playing sorucebooks and such, and Dr. Curtis Saxton and his supporters in the fanbase. I don't even vaguely agree with you, naturally; the idea the term 'Super Star Destroyer' is an actual, literal ship class, unironically used in official ship design documentation and planning is...comical, on a number of levels. It's always been fairly obvious on just a self evident level its more of a widely accepted slang or the like. It isn't a matter of being contrarian, in Saxtons's cass; he was greatly interested in making SW as believable and realistic world as possible, and ship classification is am extension of that. That, and it fits perfectly well, anyways; it makes total sense Kuat, and other shipyards, would want to differentiate their extreme version of a battleship, meant for the galactic superpower(s), from, say, the manufacturer of the sub 1km Kaloth 'battlecruiser', who would presumably consider the common Imperial-class to be a supership off the charts. It's also just a matter of fitting the setting, in large part; using modern terminology is just a part of it. Star Destroyers are not classified as being, uh, destroyers, because of their names, but because, based off the broader overview of the universe as its presented, that's what they are. They are mid-size range ships. Frigates and corvettes and the like fall below that on the lower end of the scale; an Executor or such clearly falls into a battleship category simply by plainly obvious dint of power and size. This, naturally, means there must be a kind of cruiser; there has to an in-between of a 1.6km ship and a 19km one. Hence, Star Cruisers and Star Battlecruisers, and Star Dreadnoughts (I believe Saxton actually preferred Star Battleship).
@@onlypeaceindeath No, we don't. We see them using turbolasers against fighters all the time, but never anything that could actually be considered point defense.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem We see them use guns who are small enough that they aren't even visible on the model. The same guns that dots the entire hull. How is that not point defenses? What are considered point defenses then?
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem Except anti-capital ship guns are quite big. These are tiny. Even the reasonably big guns on the Tantive IV couldn't damage the armor on Vader's ISD. So no, they are not anti-capital ship guns. They were fullt capable of tracking the Falcon as well, even at awkward angles, which shows they were designed to track small fast moving objects
The worst thing they did was have no anti-fighter/ small cargo ship ordinance. every imperial star destroyer should’ve been a built-in Lancer frigate. The clone wars showed how troublesome fighters were.
In Rebellion (Game) Quasar Fire (Alliance Escort Carrier) had 72 starfighter complement, Quasar crew of 250 was better suited for the Alliance cost 1.75M credits+ 2 X-Wing (150K) 1 A-Wing(175K) 1 Y-Wing(135K) squads = 7M. Ton Falk Escort Carrier would be the model used by Imperials 3.5M (estimate) 72 fighters Interceptor (120K) Bomber (150K) TIE (60K) 4-1-1 squads = 8M total. 1 million difference in cost +24 pilots/fighters, Alliance probably would retreat v facing 1:1 escort carrier battles. Mon Cals and Neutron Star-class bulk cruisers (0 in game) had 36 fighters 5 TIES v 1 Defender also ignores the 4 additional pilots cost in that equation, post-ROTJ Imps would have less access to pilots and crew, Tarkin Doctrine failed even after the Second Star was destroyed. ISDs had 37K crew 10K Stormtroopers, more people then some planets had. Gozanti-class cruise could carry 4 TIEs what about Interceptors could they have them back-back or on an angle? 200K + 240K for TIEs = 440K, perfect for deployment in areas larger ships simply couldn't navigate in but was too small for Tarkin Doctrine 12 crew 12 passengers, made intentionally slow 400 km/h atmosphere max acceleration class 3 hyperdrive - retrofitting 1 would be fun in a game
I love star Destroyer focused stuff. Although on a sidenote. ...I think having a movie trilogy Focused on Admiral Daala would be fun, then do a series with her and Director Issard meeting up and working together, kind of like the Duuras Sisters in Star Trek TNG. it could be really funny seeing two powerful women in the Empire actually working together to do crazy plans to crush the rebels and bring order to the Empire again.
Hey Alan could you do a video on what if the empire democratised and gave power back to the imperial senate leaving the emperor as a ceremonial figure head like the modern day British monarch would this have saved the empire from being destroyed by the rebellion?
3:30 in amd already ive hit an inconsistency. "20% of planets are in the habitable zone." This needs correcting to HUMAN habitability as many Star Wars species have not only higher lower temperature thresholds, some breath non nittrogen/oxygen atmosphere.
Nice. Haven't seen a young and sexy Alan in a long time. Now we have the grizzled and and well seasoned Alan. Thought this was a 23 minute video not 2 hours still going to watch it though.
@ 1:40 well you know what they say about assuptions! They make an ass out of u, me ...& some guy called Uption! Also that password stealing dolphin sounds like Jones from the William Gibson story Johnny Mnemonic. He was a cyborg dolphin that stole passwords for drugs!
I could never understand why the ISD-2 (which was produced after the Battle of Yavin in which the threat that a snub-fighter represents was made patently clear) has no point-defense systems.
Can anyone tell me if this is actually a video on Imperial Naval Doctrine, or if it's a movie-length feature on the US military industrial complex or something?
😏 watching this at 11:30pm and already 30 min in the video lol I guess I'll be up till 1am.....meh maybe I'll stay up later as I watch this eating cheese crackers hehehe my favorite TH-cam video snack gor gentec
Dolphins need to use that much of their brain because they need to be able to sleep and not drown, requiring the two sides of the brain to work independently. This is how basic needs of survival push species to become greater. Not needing to sleep in water, we fund that it worked better to have our cerebral hemispheres to work together all the time, for both living and dreaming.
Don’t think so. I’m not really liking the fact that some people tried to deplatform another channel. But SWT should probably change his name to Star Wars Drama. That’s what his channel is nowadays. Channels like Generation Tech are actual channels that seem give quality content and not grift like SWT.
@Justin-ui5ti Star War Theory literally has years of drama free content than generation tech. You should be more cautious of these new people. You bias is showing
@@2savyX “New people”? Generation Tech is older than SWT and has been doing Star Wars content all the way back then. Your argument can also be used to go and defend Disney. They have decades of “quality content” that isn’t filled with drama. Only in the last 10 years did that seem to change. Does that excuse them for making trash remakes to live-action, gut their 2d animation that made them famous, become more incompetent at producing quality content despite an extremely high budget being given to make them? It doesn’t change the fact that they are not the same company anymore. So I don’t like that. Star Wars Theory is like that. Used to make quality content but is now just negative grifting that doesn’t bother with actual Star Wars content anymore. I dare you to look at his earlier content and then look at what it is now. Also I find it hilarious that he had the audacity to accuse others of not being “genuine” and “doing it for the views”. Sure mate. Like he didn’t delete that review where he to seemed to like The Last Jedi. Or that time when Mark Hamill states that he didn’t give Theory permission to use AI deepfake to make him in a fan film and the theory over blew it to be “how Mark doesn’t like him anymore”. Or the fact that he tried to be negative on Andor and give terrible reasons on why it was not good. So just like how I now despise modern Disney, I don’t like SWT now. He should call himself Star Wars Drama. Also his chat? Beyond toxic. I’m not exaggerating. I don’t take kindly by that actress saying Acolyte failed because of bigots instead of poor performance and shaky writing. But she had a point when there is severe toxicity in the fandom. The same toxicity that had Lucas step back after facing it and also his daughter getting targeted after writing some Clone Wars episodes. The hate that people attacked her with (she tried to defend her dad and they attacked her weight) was beyond disgusting. She was the one that wrote the Clone Conspiracy arc and the Nightsistsrs. After those attacks, she deleted her social media and just stayed private. SWT is a breeding ground for the toxicity in the fandom. Channels like Generation Tech and EckartsLadder actually seem to give both valid criticisms and also valid praises to Star Wars. I’m not appreciating the fact that SWT tried to bring down Eckart trying to make it seem like he is focused only on money and loving Star Wars Explained. Eckart wasn’t even part of this current wave to take down certain channels. But he was just associated with Explained by saying he likes the money and isn’t genuine. Eckart has a family to support. Maybe he was wondering about future plans and wondering about margins as well. That meeting he had seemed to be way before this whole drama began.
Why did Obi Ean tell Luke He thought he could instruct Aniken as well as Yoda .but really thought the boy was dangy and why did he tell Luke He took it upon himself to train him as a Jedi but actually gave Quigon his word
Alright, let’s start a 2 and a half hour Imperial Navy documentary 💪
My Man!!! 💪
School!!
Instantly hit the download button
I didn't even realize it was 2 hours when I clicked on it but I'm here for it
You sir were not doing anything more interesting LoL
I'm loving when knowledgeable TH-camrs deep dive into technical topics like this and unlike film studios, they're not bound by truncating the time length. Reminds me of Frederick Knudson's 5.5 hour deep dive into EVE.
Love all your star wars content. It's great that you have shorter videos for when you don't have alot of time but also have these giant long videos when you have alot of time to kill... keep up the great and honest content
Love the newer long videos. Took me a week to finish the 9 hours one but it was so worth it.
I recently watched it as well and have started watching the movies for the first time!
I listened to it at work and while driving to sports practice and finished it in a day 😅 it was super interesting
1 million member worlds and 69 million colony worlds. The fact that the Empire believed that they could do a better job than the Republic was the biggest con that Palpatine pulled.
With Thrawn as Emperor, they could've.
@guru230 Thrawn may be more genuine but he is still grossly neglectful of the citizens of the empire. He supported slavery and poor working conditions under the empire and was willing to destroy entire planets because the CITIZENS of those planets don't want to be imperials. He may not be as selfish or evil as Palpatine but he is just as flawed.
@@guru230 2/2 ultimately I don't think any high level imperial is fit for a position of authority based on what they put up with alone.
It kinda puts the destruction of Alderran in perspective though. As a pure fear tactic it leaves a lot to be desired as it means that if the death star could travel to a new planet every single day, then it would take 2,739 years just to get through all the core worlds.
If I was a rebel and was worried about my homeworld being next on the list, I'd definitely take those odds!
Also I suspect Alderran wouldn't have really been a headline grabber, and that at least one of those 70 million worlds would be experiencing a cataclysm at any given time.
@@Wintermute909the deathstar had a hyperspace drive capable of jumping the entire station around, so it’s very fair to say the station could likely take out multiple systems (planet clusters) every day. I also think you underestimate how massive the impact of losing Alderaan was. It was the cultural center of the core worlds, a massive economic hub, and one of the most populous planets. Also, even with so many planets, while it’s almost guaranteed that some are in crisis at any given time, most of them don’t just blow up randomly.
Imperial Naval Doctrine would've soundly crushed the Confederacy and the Vong, but against the rebels, it wasn't the way, so the Empire deployed special units like Death Squadron or the Storm Commandos to go up against the rebels instead.
People seem to forget that the Rebels are all ex imperials aka IT really doesnt Matter what tricks the Empire or what stuff they have. All Rebels are ex imperials the best ones we're in imperial Elite troops ,they know how the Empire Works and how to counter them.
I think you mean their fleet composition. It seems like their actual naval doctrine and tactics were either very weak, or a lot of commanders didn't bother following them. And a lot of this seems to come down to pride - which makes a bit of sense when you consider that the Empire was a Human First organization - which would tend to instill a sense of superiority in the officer core.
So the reason that someone like Tarkin didn't take all the actions that would have seemed like common sense is not just that he didn't see any a threat, but that giving a full throated response would have indicated that the Rebels were worthy of such a response. Letting the Rebels smash themselves against his "indestructible" battle stations was a snub towards his enemies.
@@reclaimatorerebus6531 Actually, in most engagements the Empire won against Sep remnants and the Rebels. Their fleet strategies worked most of the time. It's just that the Rebels won a few key battles, and the Empire spiraled into civil war when Palpatine disappeared.
Also Tarkin would've won if Luke didn't have the Force. He wasn't being overly proud; he was being logical. They even had a rebel who used his targeting computer to hit the Death Star's exhaust port, and it didn't work. Luke had to use the Force to aim.
@@HolyknightVader999 I'm not nearly as well versed in the post-Legends stuff, so they may have changed the cannon, but from what I recall, while the Empire did manage to trap and decimate Rebel fleets a few time, because of the flexibility of the hyperspace equipped fighters, Rebels were able to pick their fights, and either destroy the target, or retreat if resistance was too strong. This means that the Empire probably did have regular "victories" in that they successfully defended a target and drove off the rebels, but in a lot of those cases, the rebels were able to retreat with minimal, or even no losses. So while the target was safe for the day, the rebels would still have the resources to hit somewhere else. tomorrow. To your point though, at least pre-Yavin, I think this was a much more of an annoyance, and wasn't going to change the balance of power in the universe until the Rebels showed themselves (or at least got the perception) to be an actual threat by destroying the DS1.
Absolutely agree that the Rebels got super lucky with both death stars, but the first one in particular. But you should always try to plan for luck along with everything else. Yes the threat from the snub fighters was small, but a competent commander will eliminate every threat they can, especially when there was no real opportunity cost for Tarkin the blot out the sun with Ties. It's also worth noting that several other fighters probably would have gotten shots off if Vader hadn't taken the initiative to launch his personal fighter squad.
Elon Musk could have destroyed the Rebels on a budget, he would have sent robotaxis to for a blockade of worlds who don't pay taxes as he lobbies to have his companies not pay taxes. He would have sent robots to storm each planet for lithium for his robotaxis because they are more efficient than actual storm Troopers. He would have also definitely designed the Cyber Star Destroyer and OTA updated it with new turbo lasers and faster hyperdrives.
The Empire when confronted by a full-blown rebellion would have the equivalent of what the British Royal Navy World War 2 mobilization plan which included the use of minor civilian shipyards. These yards built specially designed Admiralty Trawlers for anti-submarine work and war emergency escorts to war service only corvettes and frigates. Larger first-class merchant yards would latter build the numerous light fleet aircraft carriers.
In less than a year they Royal Naval more than doubled its size by calling up merchant ships as armed merchant cruisers, armed boarding steamers, minelayers, ships converted into anti-aircraft gun armed convoy escorts; maintence and depot ships; fishing trawlers converted as anti-submarine trawlers or minesweeper trawlers. This was later seeing some tankers and bulk grain ships fitted with a flight deck with for 4 aircraft while still carrying its cargo as Merchant Aircraft Carrier (not the same as the Escort Carriers) for convoy defense.
This is an incomplete list of what a maritime empire can do when it has to reach out and use alternative sources of ships.
The Gozanti was an attempt tp do this same thing for the Empire.
Trawler-type ship that could serve as a patrol vessel, light troop carrier and mini-starfighter carrier.
This is also economic suicide that can only be justified in an existential crisis. Maritime empires are dependent on maritime trade and other related industries. Remember that the British Empire imploded after WW2.
For an empire to remain it needs a few things. Open flow of information and resources to the central authority and the ready ability to quickly dispatch military and economic resources to the border regions to keep the local government from getting any ideas. With the British military depleted, her coffers empty in debt to America, and her population war weary she was in no state to stop the US from destroying an empire that had genuinely made the world a better place with a good portion of her former territories falling into political and economic turmoil.
"There can be no forgiveness for the damage unilateral crash decolonization has done to the world. It is the American Original Sin"
@@simonnachreiner8380you understand those countries are a mess *because* of the power vacuum and tensions created by British colonization, right? You understand it was only a good thing for British, right?
This beautiful documentary on the imperial naval forces from a galaxy far far away, is a work of art. It's taken me a week and a half to actually watch it all, and tonight on Christmas Eve 2024, I have time to feed my addiction to Star Wars. I've admired your knowledge of the Star Wars Galaxy, for a while, and try to watch as many of your videos as I can. And soak up all this information that you've acquired and I wish to thank you Allen, for bringing me a little bit of joy to this depressing world.
Thank you good sir.
RIP James Earl Jones
Nice thumbnail Guy. Looks so much like Grand Admiral Thrawn taking a selfie and trying to get the ISD in the background.
Bruh I totally see that
To make the Galactic Empire last longer and work better, it needed a well-rounded strategy that tackled governance, military, and socio-economic issues. First off, the Empire should have crafted a noble and inspiring vision that appealed to basic sentient nature, making it hard for enemies to oppose. Keeping moral authority and ensuring all actions were ethically sound would be crucial. They needed a meritocratic system where leaders were chosen based on skill and integrity. All regions, including the Outer Rim, should have felt included in the Galactic Senate to reduce dissatisfaction and build loyalty. The Empire should have focused on creating a strong economy with low business regulations and taxes, encouraging ethical practices and attracting businesses. Officers should have be trained in leadership skills like vision, communication, and character. Their military should have been organized into smaller, flexible units that support each other and are capable of operating with minimal logistics. More special task forces should have targeted enemy leaders, and lower-level commanders should have had the freedom to adapt to changing situations. Building alliances and creating discord among enemy allies should have been key. The Empire should have prioritized speed and maneuverability, and invested in infrastructure, education, and social programs to ensure a stable and prosperous society. Addressing grievances quickly would have helped prevent unrest. And, of course, building a metric sh*t ton of Arquiten Light Cruisers equipped with TIE Defenders and led by Thrawn would have also helped (instead of building a death moon). By following these strategies, the Galactic Empire might have had a better shot at staying in power and dealing with challenges effectively.
This is a children's-level grasp of how politics, the military industrial complex, and so on actually function. Unironically, I'm actually almost 70-80% certain 16 year old me had an approximate or better understanding of these things than...whatever this is supposed to be.
@@papapalps2415 I will wait patiently at the altar of your immaculate brilliance and keen understanding.
@@mjk9388 Aw, thanks, babe. You know what they say about sarcasm, though, right? Lowest form, wit, etc? Actually, nevermind; you didn't. You're welcome. (See, see, mummy?! I can do it, too!).
Anyways, though, I'm geniunely curious; can you actually explain any of that ChatGPT output word vomit in a way that actually means something beyond being sound and words (well, not the former, but I digress), signifying nothing? Kthanxx
@@papapalps2415 I do apologize for my sarcasm. I try to treat everyone with love and respect and I clearly didn’t do that in my reply. Perhaps it was because you came out swinging with insults against a person you’ve never met and don’t know their educational or personal background. Regardless, I don’t think you’re arguing with the points made but with the likelihood or ease of the proposed solutions, which wasn’t the point I was making. As for the ChatGPT vomit comment, yes, I’ve spent the better part of two decades writing down the things I have learned from military strategy and economic history books to try to gain a better understanding of what the ideal way is to bring about more prosperity to a society and win wars with less death. I cut and pasted everything into ChatGPT and asked it to summarize it down to something that someone would actually read. I then went back and edited it down and added points Alan had made in his video. So fair point, I guess?
Pedants will say this is meaningless. Intellects will understand its a short idea explained to the finest detail:
"If the Empire wasnt the Empire, itd be pretty cool."
@ 1:14:20 that sphere shape (especially the crash survivability) is why the Hughes 500 helicopter is almost a sphere with a rotor on top & a tail boom at the back.
Been watching this all week. It's been getting me through my closing shifts.
Alan you have now idea how much this video means to me. 2 HOURS!!! It's not christmas yetttt
"Driod fightas" 😂 caught me off guard
I got a feeva, and da only prescription, is more battle droIds
I was not ready 😂
On it's surface, the allocation of the Imperial Resources doesn't make a ton of sense. But when you bring the Vong into the picture, this is a reasonable explanation I can think of for the over allocation of resources to Capital Ships. I don't recall how much Legends Palatine knew about the Vong, but he did now there was a big threat coming. You could argue that he was stuck between trying to maintain order over an unhappy populace, and having a force capable of resisting an extragalactic threat.
While a policing force of lighter ships would have been a better approach against the Rebels, such a fleet would likely have been completely run over by the Vong. So the Emperor chose more large ships and went with an intimidation strategy so there would be enough heavy fire power to counter Vong.
This even brings the Death Star into clearer focus. While the focus of the space station was it's ability to destroy a planet even through planetary shielding, I'm a bit unclear on whether the 1st Death Star could have targeted individual large capitol ships. I think the game Empire at War says it can't, but in one of the books, the prototype in the Maw could. Since there were no big ships at Yavin, we didn't get a clear answer from the movies. Even without the main laser though, the station was still pretty much an automatic win button at any battle it could be brought into, just based on the shear number of normal weapons it carried. The 2nd one was even worse. When we find out about the Vong Worldships, the main laser would have been incredibly valuable.
And from what I could tell, this nearly worked. Prior to Yavin, the Rebels really did seem to be more of an inconvenience - at the very least they weren't able to disrupt major projects like the Death Star. Most of the Rebels victories were incredibly lucky. Tarkin didn't really believe there was a threat to the Death Star, so didn't flood the field with Ties. Even once the Emperor decided the rebels had become annoying enough to destroy, he seemed to only use just enough resources to be able to crush the Rebel Fleet in Jedi (admittedly the Death Star 2 should have been complete overkill). Again, the Rebels got incredibly lucky at Endor, but had Palpatine had extra forces available, the over all outcome might have been different. I'm not sure Palpatine himself would have survived as that was a more personal series of misjudgments, but had the Empire succeeded in crushing the main Rebel fleet, I think it would have put a damper on insurrection, at least for a while.
I'm still not convinced this was the best overall approach, and I think both Tarkin and Palpatine let their egos and personal biases towards super weapons and grand gestures. In Palpatine's case, I think when he beat the Jedi, he felt like he had won, and stopped trying as hard. He was more than skilled enough to build up a new threat to unite the galaxy, even if he didn't reference the Vong directly so as not to tip their hand. There still would have been resistance, but probably a lot more support. Either way had the empire survived as a cohesive after Endor, or had the plan actually fully worked, the Vong probably would have been dealt with much more effectively.
It is kind of fun to think about. Fascism only works when you imagine an unrealistic and completely absurd… and poorly written external threat.
It be super dope if you could one day cover the Sith Order and Sith Troopers from Swtor. I know you don’t personally enjoy the samurai wizards unless it’s a compelling storyline. But the Old Republic essentially is a melting pot of what we all enjoy and some stories have all of that in one. I believe the Old Republic is so fire.
The ISD pulled their weight after the DS II but, there were no supply lines then.
Really interesting!! I can’t recall the last time I subscribed to a channel but you have definitely earned my sub with your knowledge & quickly control !! I watched the 9 h clone wars vid over a week or so whilst busy at times but it stole my attention a lot … I’ve watched the series a couple of times as I have rebels so I’m pretty up to speed on lore !! Hope the vids keep coming especially as I’m looking forward to Andor S2 !! Hope your wisdom will be applied to the upcoming Star Wars projects & once again thanks from the U.K.
Who remembers when the TIE/D had 4 laser canons and 2 Ion cannons? I hate how Disney retconned Star Wars to the point where their own conon contradicts itself.
Those little bits out the back of the hauler gave very mid 2000's "metal storm" vibes
This deserves to be the biggest start wars channel duck so the other vs there doin rn
Allen, thank you for always providing me with great videos to consume en masse.
1:00:44 they’re basically the Kaiser Coffins of the Star Wars universe
Perfect timing, just about to go to bed.
For the Tie Defender, the Ghosts made many calls to the rebellion for help only to be ignored or to be told that its not a priority. Luthen Rael warned that the empire was slowly crushing everyone and no one was paying attention and thats what the Tie Defender program would have accomplished. Instead, the Death Star was a very public(to the rebellion) super weapon that they banded together against
I needed this 2 hour long video while I wait for the dental office to open.
My Imperial Dream Fleet would involve a SSD, two Star Destroyers, three Arquitens, two Raider class, two, Gozantis, and a Light Carrier when it comes to roaming the galaxy
Onager star destroyer (or ISD1)
2 Victory star destroyers
4 gladiator star destroyers
4 arquintens
8 Gozantis
Mine would be something like what the Templin Institute came up with, though probably smaller.
Awesome! This is my fleet here below
My flagship: the asserter class dreadnought star destroyer.
2 executor class star destroyers next to my ship. 4 bellator class deatroyers. 6 allegiance class star destroyers. 10 imperial 2 class ISDs, 14 victory class star destroyers, and 20 gozanti class cruisers 😊
I wish Allen would make videos about ww2 and other real life history. That’d be cool as hell.
Adam can do whatever he wants to my body
So fun fact completely off topic but somewhat we actually use 100% of our brains at throughout the day. I get the joke though. And yes finally an imperial documentary detailing the glory of the empire. Also when you cooking that dolphin
For a peace time navy The Acclamator was the perfect choice for the face of the Navy with Arrestors and Interdictors placed all along the hyperlanes.
Imagine Allan cosplaying as an Imperial Navy officer.
If he liked the empire yeah
This content is amazing!
Cheers 👏👏
One thing I’ve never liked about the Star Wars media outside the comics and books is that the bad guys, whether CIS or Empire or First Order, is that they must be blatantly incompetent.
I love this new video format
Here's a thought that occured to me. Go read at least the first season of Galaxy's Edge. Their Republic was straight lying about how many ships they had. Perhaps the Empire in Star Wars was. Makes you wonder.
I haven’t kept up with his videos so this is nice but around 1:07:50 was that a Habitual linecrosser reference?
It occurred to me this morning that the ISD was really just an upsized Acclamator...
If the ISD had as much missile capability for it's size as the Acclamator, it would have been a lot more dangerous.
@tehgerbil True. I have spent a lot of time on and off thinking about how a ISD fits into a fleet role, and the conclusion I came to was that it would be a support ship at best.
It is designed for maintaining an Empire, but not for fighting a war, nor effectively fighting against insurgent forces really. Granted the plot armor is always strong with the rebels, becuase let's face it an X-wing taking out ISDs I'd a bit absurd, even with proton torpedoes.
I did the math one time and if you scaled down an ISD to the size of an Iowa class battleship, and then moved an x-wing down accordingly...it would be like a 3 foot long f-16 trying to kill the battleship, but 2000lbs bombs would be the size and weight of a hand grenade. It would take a lot hand grenades...
Likewise if we went with WWII loss ratios, a squadron of X-wings could fire every proton torpedo they had, could expect to lose 8 of 12 fighters, and only score 1 hit. Not a kill, just a hit.
The ISD is just too much of a jack of all trades for it to be truly useful against anything except an already severely underpowered enemy.
The biggest problem with the ISD question I think is plainly that it was the original ship. It's design is horribly inefficient against swarms of droid fighters, and it doesn't carry enough primary battery to really overpower any Seperatist ship that it was designed to counter.
@@chrisheitstuman6360 I think the best comparison really is that the Empire very much resembles the Battleships of old - we don't see those anymore. Even a pocket battleship like the Bismarck isn't relevant in the modern day. While powerful, it just doesn't cut it - we see more carriers, like the US Navy - it's a far better force projection tool. As you say, it's about the role it's designed to fill. The ISD is for maintaining an empire, not fighting wars, it's a symbol of wealth and power. Thrawn was right about the Victory class - it would have been a far more efficient use of resources, and far better at the role of fighting, due to it's missile capability largely, while not sacrificing too much in the fighter capacity.
@tehgerbil Agreed. You could run 3 Vic 1s or 4 Vic 2s and have more fighters and less crew, far more flexibility.
I think without stepping into the realm of making my own ships....which I have done plenty of..a Venator loaded with TIEs, XG-1s, and Blastboats, paired with a Victory I for the cost vs firepower/flexibility would be what I would spend my credits on. If it were credit for credit in the Imperial era and Imperial ships.
If we were talking a fleet though, like the monetary value of Daala's fleet. Or the horrendously expensive NR Fifth fleet...oh the possibilities...
@chrisheitstuman6360 Yeah, Venator is definitely a ship that should have been upgraded as an imperial carrier. In EAW I often supplement my main fleets with them for that exact reason, gives me a decent fighter carrier to supplement the firepower, plus for the cost, it really makes sense. Of course, if we're talking carriers, can't really beat a lucrehulk in universe for fighter spam. Glad you mentioned the blastboat too, way underrated bomber. Not the best in any regard but it's hardy and capable.
And of course, I'd always pick a Victory 1 over a 2. Such a perfect design, really, the Vic 1. If you have enough of them it really doesn't matter what large ships your enemy fields, they'll deal with it. As for the incredibly large fleets... The possibilities are endless. I remember seeing one EU ship that was so large it had ISD's in its hangar bays. Madness, but probably infinitely better an investment than the death star. God knows how the empire would have crewed such a vessel - I think at that scale, droids is surely the only real option, unless you want to conscript the entire populace of a core world.
One thing to say is palpatine probably is referring to the "Centurian" which was ironically NOT a sith ship. It was technically speaking a republic ship born and fielded in the mandalorian wars. It became used by the sith because Revan who was the commander of the war went sith taking a lot of the navy with him. It was compact, deadly. Coming with a lot of firepower for its size. Because at this point in history almost no navy did uber sized anything. However, the harrowing was the first truly massive ship fielded by the sith...And was quite the force for its time.
This makes the Hammer Station grind on SWTOR so much better
I suspect that in the Star Wars universe the origin and use of the term "destroyer" is different than in real-world navies. The real-life term originated from "torpedo boat destroyer" and referred to small escort vessels intended to protect larger ships from enemy torpedo boats, but SW star destroyers, whether that's the Republic Venator- and Victory-class or the Imperial ISDs, always refers to large capital ships that outmass most ships designated as cruisers (which in real world would were larger than destroyers). I posit that the SW term originates from ships designed to destroy enemy capital ships, and is closer to real-world battleship in use.
All really good points! I'm starting to suspect that part of the reason SW has such rich lore is due to Lucas's....uh...loose logic when it came to world building. Because it has forced fans and writers of non-film media to get really, really creative to explain them.
An explanation I recall from the old canon was focused on the wedge shape design, in that it allowed the ship to bring all its weapons to bear on a stationary target - a planet - in front, making it ideal for orbital bombardment -- thus technically a "planet destroyer", but "star destroyer" sounds much cooler.
SW's ship classification schema has basically always been incoherent nonsense since day 1 and the word go; even the movies aren't great with it, and the novelizations further compound it, and the EU that immediately followed it dealt the death blow into incoherence. On the other hand, it can also feasibly be explained in many, many cases as either medium distortion, and/or as the classification schemes used by various sundry governments, corporations, organizations, and galactic superpowers being often radically different; that's what the Essential Guide to Warfare ended up deciding on as an 'explanation', which is as good as one as any, and it makes a massive degree of sense besides, and actually has the nice benefit of adding to the world building. Obviously, the ship class schema used by Kuat Drive Yards is, necessarily, going to be different than that used by Corellia, which will in turn be different from the one used by a random bumpkin third party ship producer in the Outer Rim whos main product are civilian or merchant marine oriented, in some manner or another, because they all have different clientele, usage cases, and ideas in mind for what makes a 'battleship'.
Generally, however, the 'best' classification schema, and at least probably the one most used by the EU post it's out of universe introduction, is the Anaxes War College System. Which still has a number of flaws, mind, but it has the benefit of being the most consistent and well described of any of them. Although a case could also easily be made for whatever the internal schema used by Kuat Drive Yards is as the 'best' one, at least for usage in the Imperial period.
In the light above, it's generally clear that while 'cruisers' and such fall below Star Destroyers paradoxically, Star Cruisers (and also Star Battlecruisers and Star Battleships/Dreadnoughts) are the actual, 'proper', galactic scale equivalent, not 'just' the term cruiser.
@@papapalps2415 To be fair to Star Wars, ship classification is incoherent in real life as well. NomicFin already alluded to how role and size of today's destroyers have little in common with their origins (the IJN's Fubuki-class really was a game-changer in that regard), and of course the explanations you listed for SW apply just as much to our real world too -- off the top of my head, Australia lists its Hobart-class as a destroyer, yet it's a subtype of the Spanish F100 frigate. And let's not even get into Japan's "escort destroyers" with their F-35 wings.
YMMV, of course, but personally I was disappointed by most of the EU's later attempts to establish a system. It usually felt like the author was trying too much to shoehorn contemporary (and not just contemporary, but specifically US-centric) definitions into a fictional setting where the material thus far clearly seemed to go a different route -- and the attempt to label the Executor a "Dreadnaught" when for decades everyone had called it a Super Star Destroyer felt almost disrespectfully contrarian.
@@ddshiranui That much is true, yes; fiction mimics reality, often even if only unintentionally. Funny how things work out sometimes.
As for the EU's attempts, there was really 2 main camps, as it were; the people that liked the system and scale established by the West End Games tabletop role-playing sorucebooks and such, and Dr. Curtis Saxton and his supporters in the fanbase. I don't even vaguely agree with you, naturally; the idea the term 'Super Star Destroyer' is an actual, literal ship class, unironically used in official ship design documentation and planning is...comical, on a number of levels. It's always been fairly obvious on just a self evident level its more of a widely accepted slang or the like. It isn't a matter of being contrarian, in Saxtons's cass; he was greatly interested in making SW as believable and realistic world as possible, and ship classification is am extension of that. That, and it fits perfectly well, anyways; it makes total sense Kuat, and other shipyards, would want to differentiate their extreme version of a battleship, meant for the galactic superpower(s), from, say, the manufacturer of the sub 1km Kaloth 'battlecruiser', who would presumably consider the common Imperial-class to be a supership off the charts.
It's also just a matter of fitting the setting, in large part; using modern terminology is just a part of it. Star Destroyers are not classified as being, uh, destroyers, because of their names, but because, based off the broader overview of the universe as its presented, that's what they are. They are mid-size range ships. Frigates and corvettes and the like fall below that on the lower end of the scale; an Executor or such clearly falls into a battleship category simply by plainly obvious dint of power and size. This, naturally, means there must be a kind of cruiser; there has to an in-between of a 1.6km ship and a 19km one. Hence, Star Cruisers and Star Battlecruisers, and Star Dreadnoughts (I believe Saxton actually preferred Star Battleship).
Nothing gets me going like Star Wars logistics
These videos make life worth living after 4:00 pm
The reason ISDs did not have a point defense system was because the TIE fighters were supposed to be the point defense system.
But they do have point defenses? We see them all the time in the movies after all.
@@onlypeaceindeath No, we don't. We see them using turbolasers against fighters all the time, but never anything that could actually be considered point defense.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem We see them use guns who are small enough that they aren't even visible on the model. The same guns that dots the entire hull. How is that not point defenses? What are considered point defenses then?
@@onlypeaceindeath Guns that are meant to perform that task. Those smaller guns are still the anti-capital ship turbolasers.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem Except anti-capital ship guns are quite big. These are tiny. Even the reasonably big guns on the Tantive IV couldn't damage the armor on Vader's ISD. So no, they are not anti-capital ship guns. They were fullt capable of tracking the Falcon as well, even at awkward angles, which shows they were designed to track small fast moving objects
The strongest armor of all, Plot Armor.
Wasn't ready for the Spitfire and Hurricane tangent, but I rate it
The worst thing they did was have no anti-fighter/ small cargo ship ordinance. every imperial star destroyer should’ve been a built-in Lancer frigate. The clone wars showed how troublesome fighters were.
It didn't, and in actual fact, showed the exact opposite.
@@papapalps2415 no you’re wrong tard.
In Rebellion (Game) Quasar Fire (Alliance Escort Carrier) had 72 starfighter complement, Quasar crew of 250 was better suited for the Alliance cost 1.75M credits+ 2 X-Wing (150K) 1 A-Wing(175K) 1 Y-Wing(135K) squads = 7M.
Ton Falk Escort Carrier would be the model used by Imperials 3.5M (estimate) 72 fighters Interceptor (120K) Bomber (150K) TIE (60K) 4-1-1 squads = 8M total.
1 million difference in cost +24 pilots/fighters, Alliance probably would retreat v facing 1:1 escort carrier battles.
Mon Cals and Neutron Star-class bulk cruisers (0 in game) had 36 fighters
5 TIES v 1 Defender also ignores the 4 additional pilots cost in that equation, post-ROTJ Imps would have less access to pilots and crew, Tarkin Doctrine failed even after the Second Star was destroyed. ISDs had 37K crew 10K Stormtroopers, more people then some planets had.
Gozanti-class cruise could carry 4 TIEs what about Interceptors could they have them back-back or on an angle? 200K + 240K for TIEs = 440K, perfect for deployment in areas larger ships simply couldn't navigate in but was too small for Tarkin Doctrine 12 crew 12 passengers, made intentionally slow 400 km/h atmosphere max acceleration class 3 hyperdrive - retrofitting 1 would be fun in a game
The Gozanti is awesome to be fair
Go,Allen,go!!!📣🍻🥂
Hey, I like your breakdowns. You rock will check out more if your videos.
I love star Destroyer focused stuff. Although on a sidenote.
...I think having a movie trilogy Focused on Admiral Daala would be fun, then do a series with her and Director Issard meeting up and working together, kind of like the Duuras Sisters in Star Trek TNG. it could be really funny seeing two powerful women in the Empire actually working together to do crazy plans to crush the rebels and bring order to the Empire again.
Helps me fall asleep at night
I 🧡💛 Generation Tech
Thrawn:
“New fleet who dis?”
Well now you know you have to give a republic,rebel,new republic and old republic versions.....😤😤
This channel puts more work into the lore than certain people did when making some of the actual movies *ahem *
It's mostly just repeating info from the wiki, it's not that impressive.
I wonder if we would have access to the superships in training room for sos events
The tanks that you showed in the first part o the video were polish 7tp light tanks.
Hey Alan could you do a video on what if the empire democratised and gave power back to the imperial senate leaving the emperor as a ceremonial figure head like the modern day British monarch would this have saved the empire from being destroyed by the rebellion?
3:30 in amd already ive hit an inconsistency. "20% of planets are in the habitable zone." This needs correcting to HUMAN habitability as many Star Wars species have not only higher lower temperature thresholds, some breath non nittrogen/oxygen atmosphere.
I'm curious. What did the Star Wars universe use as a calendar system? I'm pretty sure they didn't use BBY/ABBY.
My beautiful triangles!
Nice. Haven't seen a young and sexy Alan in a long time. Now we have the grizzled and and well seasoned Alan. Thought this was a 23 minute video not 2 hours still going to watch it though.
@ 1:40 well you know what they say about assuptions!
They make an ass out of u, me ...& some guy called Uption!
Also that password stealing dolphin sounds like Jones from the William Gibson story Johnny Mnemonic.
He was a cyborg dolphin that stole passwords for drugs!
Very Nice 💙💙
I could never understand why the ISD-2 (which was produced after the Battle of Yavin in which the threat that a snub-fighter represents was made patently clear) has no point-defense systems.
Whatever happened to the dolphin subplot? Hasnt popped in recent videos
This slander against my Empire will not be tolerated
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For a while I thought the intro was “Welcome to Generation Tech Money Alan.” I don’t think it’s my hearing needing to be checked. :)
The Imperial Class Star Destroyer is basically a one ship expeditionary force.
I enjoy this
Can anyone tell me if this is actually a video on Imperial Naval Doctrine, or if it's a movie-length feature on the US military industrial complex or something?
😏 watching this at 11:30pm and already 30 min in the video lol I guess I'll be up till 1am.....meh maybe I'll stay up later as I watch this eating cheese crackers hehehe my favorite TH-cam video snack gor gentec
Dolphins need to use that much of their brain because they need to be able to sleep and not drown, requiring the two sides of the brain to work independently. This is how basic needs of survival push species to become greater. Not needing to sleep in water, we fund that it worked better to have our cerebral hemispheres to work together all the time, for both living and dreaming.
Is Generation Tech on the cancelation campaign against other Star Wars content creators also!?
I have a theory (no pun intended) that he's the one Theory didn't want to name. But I could be wrong. Alan seems like a nice guy so I hope not.
Don’t think so.
I’m not really liking the fact that some people tried to deplatform another channel.
But SWT should probably change his name to Star Wars Drama.
That’s what his channel is nowadays.
Channels like Generation Tech are actual channels that seem give quality content and not grift like SWT.
@Justin-ui5ti Star War Theory literally has years of drama free content than generation tech. You should be more cautious of these new people. You bias is showing
@@2savyX SWT is nothing but negativity and drama. He adds nothing to the Star Wars fandom anymore.
@@2savyX “New people”?
Generation Tech is older than SWT and has been doing Star Wars content all the way back then.
Your argument can also be used to go and defend Disney.
They have decades of “quality content” that isn’t filled with drama. Only in the last 10 years did that seem to change.
Does that excuse them for making trash remakes to live-action, gut their 2d animation that made them famous, become more incompetent at producing quality content despite an extremely high budget being given to make them?
It doesn’t change the fact that they are not the same company anymore. So I don’t like that.
Star Wars Theory is like that. Used to make quality content but is now just negative grifting that doesn’t bother with actual Star Wars content anymore.
I dare you to look at his earlier content and then look at what it is now.
Also I find it hilarious that he had the audacity to accuse others of not being “genuine” and “doing it for the views”.
Sure mate. Like he didn’t delete that review where he to seemed to like The Last Jedi.
Or that time when Mark Hamill states that he didn’t give Theory permission to use AI deepfake to make him in a fan film and the theory over blew it to be “how Mark doesn’t like him anymore”.
Or the fact that he tried to be negative on Andor and give terrible reasons on why it was not good.
So just like how I now despise modern Disney, I don’t like SWT now.
He should call himself Star Wars Drama.
Also his chat? Beyond toxic.
I’m not exaggerating. I don’t take kindly by that actress saying Acolyte failed because of bigots instead of poor performance and shaky writing.
But she had a point when there is severe toxicity in the fandom.
The same toxicity that had Lucas step back after facing it and also his daughter getting targeted after writing some Clone Wars episodes.
The hate that people attacked her with (she tried to defend her dad and they attacked her weight) was beyond disgusting.
She was the one that wrote the Clone Conspiracy arc and the Nightsistsrs.
After those attacks, she deleted her social media and just stayed private.
SWT is a breeding ground for the toxicity in the fandom.
Channels like Generation Tech and EckartsLadder actually seem to give both valid criticisms and also valid praises to Star Wars.
I’m not appreciating the fact that SWT tried to bring down Eckart trying to make it seem like he is focused only on money and loving Star Wars Explained.
Eckart wasn’t even part of this current wave to take down certain channels. But he was just associated with Explained by saying he likes the money and isn’t genuine.
Eckart has a family to support. Maybe he was wondering about future plans and wondering about margins as well.
That meeting he had seemed to be way before this whole drama began.
Long live the Empire, long live OUR Emperor
Welp, I know what I'm doing with my Saturday now, lol
But, how's a Hummer compare to the Honda Odyssey ?
Gotta love the Toyota Hilux. Had so many rockets launched at me from the bed of those trucks back in the day🤣
Nobodies finished this juuuust yet considering it released an hour ago
Why did Obi Ean tell Luke He thought he could instruct Aniken as well as Yoda .but really thought the boy was dangy and why did he tell Luke He took it upon himself to train him as a Jedi but actually gave Quigon his word
A 2 and a half hour documentary on how the inperial naval doctrine is good amd bad , dont mind if i do
Wow you really know what you are doing for a living
How did you do this so fast?
The Arc-170 was basically the F-4 phantom of the Star Wars universe am I right?
Please make a video on 200 FO Stormtroopers vs 200 Clone Troopers
If the empire used venators and modified lukrahulks as dedicated carriers they would have won a lot more battles
No.
i knew today was going to be a good one
Dolphin had a Flipper Zero and snagged your passwds before his first flip was landed. Yah.
Who would win, the cis or a big ol magnet
Star Wars: Episode 10
The Imperial Monolog
just... wow man...
Tarkin and Darth Jadus would get along. The Tarkin doctrine was purely a democratisation of fesr
He needs to bring back dolphin hate I mean it is the funniest thing ever
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The cow still regrets your visit 🥛🍜🍺
The plant flashing up
Foo Fightas
2:20 am, why not?