THIS 2018 MUSTANG GT TRIES TO MAKE 500 HORSEPOWER - Flex Fuel- E85r Lund Tune *SHOCKING*
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You can race dyno numbers all day long, but the true test is running these cars head to head in a race.
True. Although there are alot of variables in cars with similar setups. Looks like the car will be good fun to drive. Enjoy it.
I'm going to address the elephant in the room here and point out the shift characteristics of the Palm beach tune vs the Lund tune.
A tune that shifts too aggressively will be slower because of wheel slippage and possibly dangerous because the harsh shifts can upset the chassis and put the car into the wall.
The Palm beach tune appears to just completely disable torque management while the Lund tune retains some torque management.
For this reason I would consider the Lund tune to be a safer and faster tune due to its ability to put the power to the ground in a more controlled manner (smooth is fast, fast is smooth).
Aside from that a peak hp difference around 15hp is fairly negligible and I would consider the engine output of the two to be basically on par.
Zander why don't you put your car back on the dyno with the same heat and temperature and see what it runs
I should do that
With e90 ;)
@@Zander13Productions would be a good next video
Got to get them to the dragstrip..... That's where it matters.
Dyno both cars on the same day. That would be the real comparison
Geo I 100% agree
Power on a na setup isn't going to vary a whole lot from day to day. Iat temps dont effect power like they would on boosted. Will it be a different number day to day? Yes. Will it be night and day from one day to the next? No.
@@csr801996 IAT doesn't affect all motor cars? 😂
ok lol
Weather absolutely matters!
This is really great stuff. I love watching you guy bring all to the table. Thanks.
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Aww man, I was really hoping you guys were both going to dyno both of the cars the same day. So we could of got a real side by side comparison. But still, great freaking power!!
Great video, "for track use", love the plate!
Great video. I would have liked to have seen your car put on the dyno the same day just to see.
I expected this. Glad you made the video
Should’ve overlaid his graph with yours to see curve differences
Ryan Neville Damn lol
Lund is not very aggressive I’m not surprised with the results. Another great video Zander keep them coming.
I'm not too race each other n find out lund Vs pbd
@@stangbangincoyote701 I agree! My Tune is Violent Aggressive! 😄
So. PBD better than Lund ? 🔥
@@johnmangbawi9287 I don't have either! 😄
Whipple 5.0 I'm asking Matt7🐎lol
This was an awesome series you should do more like this ✅🤩❤️😎😍😊
Absolutely
Summer numbers will always be lower. Like the dyno operator stated when he said, @ 5:30 "Zander had a weather advantage". If Zander ran his car right after, he WOULD NOT have hit his winter /spring numbers without additional mods. They both will also run .2 - .4 sec slower at the same track. Heat soak affects NA cars also.
2019 gt Mine has full arh headers and mufflers lund jr tune ported cj and manoblade pmas cold intake e85 ported heads makes 530rwhp so dont be disappointed lund ftw....🤘
485 whp is still crazy fast
He seemed a bit disappointed with the numbers which I don’t understand. That’s pretty good for a CAI, exhaust, and tune. Weather didn’t help either. Not sure how much good weather would’ve amounted to but they are good numbers. The car is knocking on 500hp, which he should be able to crack with a revision and some tweaking. Not to mention the sound. I wish I had that car lol.
Yeah the dyno guy and manager both said the dyno has been stingy and 95° and 45% humidity is going to pull it down.
I'll have to get it done again with better weather and better fuel
Jeremy Winslow I know automatics have more drivetrain loss also. Get it lined out and go back for round 2 lol. Sub’d
It makes less difference usually on E85 but yea I bet your closer to 5 under zander I cant wait to see the race
Suppose to hit dyno next week myself. Looking forward to comparison.
Lund, palm beach it’s a person choice to who to go to . I’m going with Lund . 2018 ported manifold jlt cold air intake let’s see how it goes
Lund tunes definitely give you all the extra horsepower, i know their 93 tune on my car, feels like a completely different animal!
Zander, when the big race, between you guys, looking followed to seeing that. I do like the ruby red.
we need to set something up
485HP to the rear wheels is between 505HP to 515HP to the crank. So all and all to be technical you do have a 500HP GT.
I just ordered my Lund Tune for my 2019 GT 6speed premium, alone with some other goodies so I can't wait to see what mines can do. Awesome video 💪💪💪
Thanks. You will love it 🔥
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This makes me want a Ruby 18-19 so bad
I've been wanting one since the s550 came out lol. Since the 2018 year, I'd consider the need for green too.
It may of been ask already if so im sorry but what fuel upgrades does he have?
What was the timing ? Also IAT?
Surprising. Thought it would be closer but I'm sure weather had a lot to do with it
My 18 fbo e85 mt82 lund tuned made 513 on a dyno dynamics in about 70 degree weather so that being auto seems about rite.
The e85r tune is to get more timing in quicker so you have more power off the punch of the throttle but as for top end not much more hp 5 to 10 tops
Great video. Some personal considerations.
Jeremy has catvack and headers.
On my dyno test(I've shared with you the graph) my catback Borla added 12-14whp on 91oct.
In this case jeremy has also headers. I have no numner fornheaders but im expecting some gain there too.
2. So Jeremy's numbers are btw 12 to 25 higher than oem by default.
Just to keep it in mind.
Jeremy was mentioning 427 last time he dyno her. 427 with what?
Thanks both of you!
That was a 93 tune jlt and my catback on a very stingy dyno. Same day it put a stock 18 auto at 400 flat. He also ran the cars in 6th gear not 7th.
@@jeremywinslow7345 agreed. You definetely right. I would expect more power. In 5th gear my car was at 408 (i didn't known what 1:1 gear at that time)
Then
I dyno my car in a dynojet (approved for dyno NASA time trials)
428whp with catback on 91
439 with PBD on 91
452 with PBD on 96 oct.
I can't put a CAI (I will..) Because i finished the "points" for my class this year.
I'm curious to see what a CAI can put on.
Another 2 considerations. I have lighter rotors during the test (2lbs each) and friction reducer (MOTORKOTE) in the engine and diff. I think this also influence.
The color is killer now you need to put the stripes on it as you say this will go faster!! Question for you if you went to the track together and raced would the different spoiler make a difference?
not sure on spoiler, but at 120-130 mph. I dought it
Old Taylor Curtis my boy, much love
Nice!
I’m
Commenting before I watch. Imma say 480 on the E85R due to hot weather. Yours was Dynoed in much cooler weather. Lets see.
Doesnt it do SAE correction?
BlueCollarDaily doesn't matter corrected or not. Hotter day is a hotter day....less power.
Dyno same day both on e85 not no flex & track it same day one might make more power but watch the other run faster since the shift points are crisper and smother . While the other bangs hard but hesitate a little
having just about the same setup aside from the steeda closed airbox intake instead of open element... I can tell you that lund does not recommend running the e85 r tune unless you are at least 70 plus percent ethanol.. The tune is more aggressive than the flex tune for sure but it does not run properly if you don't have near true e85 in the tank. Get some good tested e85 on both cars and lets see what the tunes can do apples to apples with the best chance ie with good fuel. From what I understand, the flex fuel tune lets the car add timing as it sees fit whereas the r tune they automatically add the spark down low and you can see on the graph the green curve comes up faster than the flex one...but being this way, you should have proper e85 when doing this. Keep the videos coming.
how are you liking the Steeda closed air box
@@Zander13Productions I like it a lot, all the guys at Lund arent a fan of the open air type intakes, when driving the iats are like 5 to 7 above ambient. It makes sense why the open element would be better for dyno with hood up, however, when you are driving the car the hood is down and the absolute coldest air you can get is from the factory snorkel placement... so by that logic I decided to go with that one instead of an open type.
@@josephsonntag1354 pretty sad all these people cant use this logic and hump jlt . Closed box for lower air temps all day is obviously the higher iq route. But just think how many guys spend 50% of there take home pay minimum on vehicle payment. Id say lot of these guys buying 50k vehicles arent even cracking 50k a year income . lol wtf
Hey Zander you should have put your car on the dyno to compare on the same day and conditions. Lund is known for have a more conservative tune.
Knocked another video out of the park...very informative! So what’s the deal with E85 being less than promised? Rated R Cars had a bad tank of E for his recent trip to the dyno. Now in this video the E level was in question. Are people making this stuff in underground labs or is this a regulated industry?
The e85 was reading at having 74.7% ethanol instead of 85%.
@@jeremywinslow7345 And is that acceptable or considered the norm?
Alex Flores has said in a video that you should be at atleast 75% before running the e85R tune
wont really matter. once it has over 75% you should see full benefits
Zander just had to poke the bear at the end...🤪
Lol
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Hey, what throttle body do you have on your car? Stock or ported or aftermarket? Also, what RPM are you shifting at with the intake you have? @Zander13
Stock and 7800 rpm
@@Zander13Productions Thanks!
2% difference on runs from one day to another is prob statistically insignificant. interesting that even YDBT said that peak to peak a flex tune and e85r tune would be the same but the dedicated race tunne shoves timing in sooner, just like this shows us. would be cool to see side by side logs of both tunes to get see if there are really any differences in engine tuning strategies, i'm willing to bet theyre similar when it comes to fueling and spark timing and maybe play with cam timing a littler different. keep the competition going between these company's, it keeps them pushing to be better
Did Lund work out the ‘19 tune yet? I want to be able to use my Active Exhaust and keep my drive modes. Last time I looked you would lose those with their tune on the ‘19s.
Hell with that
I think that got worked out months ago
Doesn't matter much either way. Both cars didnt reach 500 rwhp. With that being said..no two cars will make the same power, even with the same mods or tunes on the same day.
What the owner should have done was place a bag of ice on the intake before making that final hit
This is correct
My m90 made 438/438tq (knock sensor were happy with more timing)
Vs my buddy m90 same setup making 415/400
The same day, same fuel same setup
My car liked 20.5 degree my buddy car said Nope 19.5 was its limit
The knock censors may have pulled a little timing because of the temperature.
If he was data logging, Alex will see that.
Impressive numbers
I was hoping for a tick off after the dyno session. But would it be loudest tick wins or quietest
BlueCollarDaily lmao I think the tick talk is done for. I saw him getting hate for even saying anything about. I’m sure it’s pushed under the rug now. But you got me laughing 😂. I would like to see a bore scope happen. So many guys are happy living with it.
@@underfedcoyote5.022 I know he trying to rebuild after the wreck that's why I'm in here commenting so much for engagement for him. Its nuts the Ford wingnuts cant accept the tick is real LOL...Mike740 had to pretend his car knocking for months was using oil to get the dealer to pull the pan and find his bearings going bad LOL...7718 makes us and techs lie to Ford so they can fix the knocking via pretending extensive oil consumption but it's really a customer complaint for ticking tip on and off and 2k rattle LOL...think about that shit he went IN for oil consumption after being told and then denied diagnostics for the engine tick which ended up being rod KNOCK...really think about that....
Ford fckn sucks balls....I refinanced mine with local credit union last week I dont want these sleazy bastards even getting my interest money....
Takes car in to tech do you hear that ticking? tech ,"yes its piston slap or rod bearings that not covered because of 7718 BUT its using a lot of oil"...customer no it's not, tech yes it is, no it's not yes it IS...oh got ya the end around for 7718 is a $4 harbor freight hand pump and some vacuum line....I have learned thanks random not piece of shit Ford tech!!!!
BlueCollarDaily all I can say is the guys that think it’s bullshit an they choose to live with piston Slap an then rod knock more power to them. To me it’s a big issue I try to inform everybody. I don’t hate mustangs I hate the gen3 problems. Love the power of the 18-19 mustangs won’t lie an say they are slow or junk. I seen many guys having good luck with theme I also seen how some guys get around warranty’s to each their own. Myself I will sit back an enjoy my 14 for now. When the prices drop on these gen 3s maybe my s197 will be done an I will pick up a used gen3. As of now I don’t think the people that own the 18-19s really know what they are in for. I know you are getting screwed An I hope your motor holds out for you. But there will be many failures coming soon if you check TH-cam an ask guys what happen to the 18s most on TH-cam have traded them 😂. I went back about a month ago an asked guys that had the tick on TH-cam many of them traded an some are still going with 20k plus miles. I never will say piston slap will take a motor soon as you hear it. The car can go many miles an years but it’s ruining your motors prematurely and you know that already.
@@underfedcoyote5.022 yes I love the ambition and honesty would give Ford a complete pass pushing the limits with 12 to 1 compression dual injection more head flow and rpm....I would have ZERO animosity had they just simply taken each on a case by case basis and performed diagnostics instead of blanket denying with the 7718 vibranium shield of shit...I dont fault any company or individual for reaching to far and failing but to off load their bad decision making on the customer and blanket denying till you prove in court or are forced to deceptive practices to protect yourself was horrific. Hell even the wording of 7718 literally says the motor may sound like a POS Cummings diesel after first oil change ...admitting the y are selling you a car whose operating characteristics at time of sale may drastically change after first oil change ? It baffles me how that ADMISSION of guilt is twist to nothing to see here folks.
I simply think they made a mistake they carried over their plasma bores from the Voodoo yet didnt carry over the Forged pistons to match the thermal expansion characteristics of the new plasma bore, simple....bet your ass Coyote Car guys Forged piston but stock plasma bore doesnt knock tick and 2k rattle...they also needed the skirt to wall perfect if they were gonna cheap out on cast pistons so bring over hand assembly or tighter go no go or parts binning...
The other thing is the CAFE oil pressure bypass solenoid that engaged below 2600rpm I think this is hurting these engines as well before I went supercharged on 5w50 I've logged mine as low as 8psi hot idle with 600miles on it!!!! Touch accelerator when the bypass closes around 2600-3k shoots to 60-70 and logged runs as high as 90psi at shift....
There may be a rod side clearance issue as well.....
I think the community seeks what Mike740 went thru and how knocking for months turned away ended up at a dealer that agreed to take a look at oil consumption pulled pan and found bad bearings. And he had been turned away and made fun of for months by dealers and the net.....
Coyote car guy will show us if its is new new plasma bores or the exclusion of their matching forged pistons we will get our answers in time.
There is no resell on this junk even rival dealers trying to use conquest programs to yet you in a car KNOW about 7718 and the gen3 its killed prices I bet you can get more for a 17....so I financed mine locally and I'm pushing chips all in ordering stage 2 tomorrow when it pops If my knees are fixed by then ill just order a bare plasma block for $837 and pop total seal rings, a forged piston and 4340 rods with good bolts in it with oil pump gear upgrade and have that put in....
I love my car absolutely love it and appreciate Ford making something big enough to accommodate this ass...giving me a choice to a scat...but 7718 is bullshit let the master techs and service managers decide on a case by case basis if your tick is mild or onerous...I've heard everything from none to mild to 35ft away it's all denied under 7718......
Something else I forgot the rear gear make a different in the numbers. If he has a 3.55 gear and you have a 3.15 gear the 3.55 gear will make lower number than the 3.15 gear car. If you do the math and he had 3.15 gear with 483hp he is making 498rwhp. Add 30hp to that if it was 50deg outside than he would be 528rwhp
We had same gears. Both are performance package cars
Was the torque output and total timing less than Carnage?
Tourqe was just over 450
and yet other cars supposedly made 510hp on stock 2.5in exhaust when this had 3in.
Really? Because I been debating to upgrade to a full 3 inch exhaust
High 4’s at the wheel is well above a 500hp car. And what mods did you have when it made 486? Also was it SAE or STD.
It’s in the video. I had same mods and it was all SAE
Zander13 but what mods did this guy have when it was 426hp before his car was 486hp? I assume exhaust and intake no tune no headers
When he had 426. I think it was intake and 93.
Zander13 93 tune. I forgot JLT requires a tune 🤔 seems weak with a tune
@@TheCdM1981 was a stingy dyno.
Does he have longtubes? Sorry for asking but I don’t know your cars specs.
Yes. It was said in the video
So just to clarify Alex, your buddy is running Corsa Extreme cat back ? Have a feeling my car is going to be too loud after headers with my MBRP axle back so I’m thinking of switching to Corsa Extreme. His car sounds awesome! :)
Its sport to xtreme active catback
Don't do arh h pipe catback not too loud and sounds much better vs corsa or mbrp
I have debated getting an h pupe made that could be swapped with the double x pipe just to test the sound. I like my sound though.
@@jeremywinslow7345 I will send you a link it will sound way better with this h pipe and catback. Less rasp and deeper but still loud.
@jeremy Winslow Oh ok so since you have the active exhaust they do sport to extreme in one shot? Good to know! Car sounds great bro! Cheers
Does he or anyone with the active exhaust feature have problems AFTER modifying their exhaust???help!
No issues
@@Zander13Productions do you think I should tell Ford about that?
You guys should run against each other hell I'll bring my too
I'll bring mine also
Three
E50 to E85 makes same power. I have the same set up tuned by the same person an Iv data log mine many many times. I went to the same Dyno an I had E85 on my Ngauge an I made 487 on Tylor Dyno. How ever I’m running same time as Alex an my car is 4060lb. Track number matter not Dyno
I will take safe over sorry every time. its a few horsepower and nothing more than a pissing contest. AMAZING power for 300 inches
True but Stangmode made 10s by what a few hundredths? 10 wheel would have been difference in him claiming 10s or not...
Normally its not a big deal but in their case so close to 10s plus its presuming the weaker Lund tune was unsafe
@@bluecollardaily2676 That may well be, but then i dont consider 10.97 a solid 10 and he hasnt backed that up . Ideal conditons dont make a 10.97 a 10 imho. I am in no way shaming him , that awesome for a 5.0 but its a solid 11 for sure.
@@frozenstang3868 agree that was my point it was so narrowly into the 10s in perfect conditions with transbrake...10whp and it doesnt get there like it didnt earlier in the day due to slightly lower power via DA...for HIM he needed every 10hp to be able to say......my car has ran 10s naturally aspirated....
@@bluecollardaily2676 Maybe a ported intake will get him a solid 10.8 . Fun to watch none the less, i have to live vicariously till i pay mine off.
@@frozenstang3868 I vote stall
Like everyone says .. should have did your car the same day since this seems like you been trying to compare Lund vs PBD ... the weather plays a big factor ..
You’re both putting out the same whp. You gotta run both cars on the same dyno on the SAME day, one right after the other. I guarantee your car would have run lower #s since there was (as you said) a huge difference in temp & humidity. You said you ran 49(?) rwhp?You both have 500hp cars.
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yes, we will have to do it again together when the weather is better
What mods are you guys running?
A lot. My car is twin turbo now
I mean on the cars when he hit 485 on the dyno and you hit 496...??
0:49 ouch on that passenger door ding. Poor GT500.
I know right, I saw that and was like "damn"
Not every car is the same, also weather is way different from when you dyno'ed yours.
yep, correct. we said that in the video
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“Whether that matters or not”, yeah I would expect he would pick up 10 or probably more on a cooler, less humid day. Dyno then on the same day and run them at the track. That would tell the story. 10 horsepower less on a way hotter day doesn’t prove anything in my opinion. Anyway, good video.
and every dino is different.. I'm still way more comfortable with Lund than some tuner that will tune for max effort all the time. the lund tune is probably safer than the other tune. I mean they have been in the game for alot longer and know what to do and what not to do.. Lund tuning all day.
Any proof its safer? I mean everyone could say my shit tune is safer for an excuse cause it is an excuse and did THAT guy that done 360 in Carnage seem like the conservative type with the full balls to wall exhaust ect ? Lol...
19s are better anyway...cause I got one LOL
I agree PBD is good but id go with Lund, for one I don't like that hard shifting Alex car does, its completely different than the other car!! But im tuned by VMP cause im BOOSTED BOOST FTW
@@mr.roush6709 what I've found with bigger power shifting hard can break parts but shifting weaker definitely adds heat and burns clutches...I'd have to ride in it but id like just a touch less than Zander13s
@@bluecollardaily2676 yea I agree
the PBD shifting can be turned down
Still impressive not having a true e85 in the tank!
yes very
Why are you comparing dyno pulls of 2 different cars on different days? This comparison doesn’t show much about what Tuner is better at all. I would have suggested that you throw the Palm beach Tuned car on the dyno on that same day so weather wouldn’t affect the outcome. Clearly a car on a cooler day puts down more power. This comparison was bias. At least line them both up.
I’m not comparing two cars. This was a same day flex tune vs e85 tune comparison
What Zander13 said. This was to show the difference in flex and dedicated e85. There is a significant bump in low end power with the dedicated tune.
Zander13 you literally said at the end of the video “That’s it, Palm Beach still wins” essentially saying that you compared your past 496 RWHP pull that occurred 3 months earlier to his pulls that happened the day this video was posted. Don’t act like you were just comparing the 2 pulls that he did on the dyno with the 2 different tunes. You clearly snuck in at the end that your Palm Beach tuned car put down more numbers on a different day which is completely disingenuous.
@@xxdrxschnitzelxx131 just some fun humor. a joke is all
Thought you said same dyno, same day?????
This video was not about my car. Only the two Lund tunes
it's not going to make 500. Alex just did a video not to long ago. you need a cobra jet intake to get it closer to 500.
Jake burch the 18 and over manifold intakes are the same thing
Relearn Life ohhhh bet
what do you mean they are the same manifold?
what?
i surprise that not tubro on it bet make lot more if he put tubro on it , that just me thow
Why is the “13” crooked in your intro? 🤷🏻♂️
Just a font
Some one likes five finger death punch great band
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Dyno both cars on the same day then race🤷🏿♂️
Eventually we can with better weather.
I’m in a mustang group with Jeremy.. small world
Nice. Small world yes 💪
It’s a very local group so that makes it even cooler imo
Stalker!!!
502hp
Lund has more records than palm trees. I wish you two could of raced. 30 degree temps always makes way more power on a Dyno every gear head should know that unless they are trying to make a sponsored company look better. Shame on the click bait.
Keep trying! When you hit 700 +hp we’ll race
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A dyno is just a tool for tuning, take em to the track and get et and trap speed ,
Dyno numbers don’t mean shit.....throw them on a track....
Cheating with 2 fans? Try cheating with the hood up and a open filter element. Now if the car runs 10's that is what is impressive. Like the color as I'm partial to Ruby Red since that is what I have.
Who cares about peak #s? Why didnt you have him overlap your dyno and his dyno to see the difference in power curves?
We were comparing the flex fuel vs e85R tunes from Lund. Both curves are shown for that.
Please wear earplugs, I have left ear damage from a 3 hour dyno tune session. My left ear has been ringing ever since, that was 12 years ago. ENT says I have left ear drum damage. It's not worth it, don't care how cool you think you are not wearing protection.
yes, ppl really should wear ear protection
Somebody likes to go shootin ;)
485 whp on a mustang dyno, which is 445whp on a dynojet 😂😂😂
Lots of people don’t know the flea and the dedicated E85 tune will make the same peak power. At WOT both tunes have the same timing. The dedicated E85R tune will have more timing In the lower rpm.
Yes. At WOT they should peak the same.
That what one goal of the video, to see where the power differed.
Yea the straight E85 tune the way that graph looked should get a better 60ft at track if he hooks it
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Call me if you would like to get over 500 WHP I know some tricks 😀👍 this is Rick Trent the 1300 WHP plus Coyote with the 4.5L Whipple
Did it not reach 500 hp because the engine typewriter tick?
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No tick
@@jeremywinslow7345 wtf....how many miles ? Could you even hear it your car is pretty loud...nasty sounding love it
@@bluecollardaily2676 I just passed 10k on the way home from his place. In quiet mode it still makes no more sound than my EcoBoost at idle.
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It wont prove anything about anyone's tune, all cars run differently.