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- An assortment of tropes and cliches so common and characters lacking more depth than a cardboard stencil, it feels like they might as well belong in a circus. Here's Part 2 of my Second Son opinion piece. Next time...... I'm still thinking about it.
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Delsin Rowe is expertly acted, sloppily written
Amen to that. I still really enjoy Second Son, though.
As sloppily written as Delsin was, he was still enjoyable
Enjoyable is not a word I would use to describe Delsin.
That's fair, it's more to do with the performance to me personally
12:21 I think they did a pretty good job justifying Sam's presense/existence
I agree with you on Eugene. I'm a gamer too, I'm shy, introverted and a little socially awkward as well but I behave like any other person, I have a job and I interact with people.
That trope annoys the hell out of me as well and if I had those powers, I would do a far better job that all 4 of them combined, when I first played the game I thought of a thousand better things to imagine to life using that power and I definitely wouldn't be inside the house all day.
How to fix Second Son: Have a cutscene saying
"A conduit killed Delsin and Reggie's Parents"
and
"I use spray painting as an outlet"
as well as
"The cops always hated the akomish. That's why reggie joined." or something. Boom. Fix the game right there.
Should of also made Augustine the evil route and not have her kill delsin's brother. The evil ending sounds good until the military nukes Seattle but with Augustine offering Delsin a position as her apprentice(while allowing him the option of a power buffet) the evil ending takes on a whole new meaning when Delsin compromises his beliefs. "After all I wanted power and who has more power than the authority everyone follows." Augustine uses him as a medium to show the DUP is needed while Delsin uses his powers to cause chaos, suffering and fear. Everyone wins.
@@camil2003 I like the sound of that evil ending already. Also, he and Augustine actually become friends.
you should've been the writer
Or make their parents dormant conduits who died with the RFI and Reggie hates all conduits because Cole (The poster-boy conduit) killed them. Then it's an actual divided loyalty on whether he loves Delsin or hates him because his hatred of conduits conflicts with his love for his family.
Power of imagination, always fix everything...
"You okay?"
"Yeah, fit as a fiddle."
"...That's a big ass fiddle."
Saw it coming and it still made me laugh.
You’re correct about the Delsin’s brother saying he’s proud. Trish is disappointed about cole being evil and is proud if cole is good
the savage camper gamplay
I think Reggie was proud of Delsin because Delsin was doing whatever it takes to save the tribe where Reggie was willing to give up regardless of Delsin's karma state. It can remind me of Zeke as he never had "malice" towards Cole in Infamous 1 & 2 regardless of Cole karma state but he felt "disgusted" if Cole sided with John.
It's bad writing
@@Eric_Cartman1 So you're telling me that this man, who swore to protect and serve, has nothing negative to say to his brother that has mercilessly cut down other human beings (DUP or otherwise). Rather, in his last words, he expresses nothing but pride in his serial sibling because he's committing all these vicious acts of violence and mass murder to save "their people"? IT'S BAD WRITING
@Tentant lasket it's super lazy
But u are forgetting Betty. Betty is disappointed if u are evil and disowns u but if u are a hero she respects him. But u right about Reggie
Damn eugene with the hentai haven shirt
Thank you! Was just about to comment on that!
Damn that was funny
The fact that you can equip it on delsin makes it better.
Bro I knew I couldn't have been the only one who saw it 😂😂😂
The characters' lack of depth is what bothered me the most about this game. inFamous 2 had some of the best characters in any game at the time. Hell, Nyx is arguably the best character of the second game. She's the game's "evil" influence, and yet, when push came to shove, she was more than willing to put her life on the line in order to cure the plague and stop The Beast from wiping out humanity. Character moments like that were what I was missing when I played Second Son.
GuitarrAssassin Kuo became a little bitch but she’s the “good” influence
@@deviyonyoung3124 You try laying your life on the line, knowing your going to die. It isn't a graceful switch, but it's believable based on the threat of continued survival shaking even the most stoic of people. More believable by the end of the game where Kuo laments that she fucked up and that even Nix made the right choice while she was too scared to. That made me appreciated Kuo "the ice queen" a bit more because she was still human and feared death, even in the face of what was actually right, outside of all the moments she appeared as a moral martyr. That switch provided weight to the theme of InFamous: "the good choice isn't always the easy choice"
Nix didn't really go against the beast for any noble motivation, like she said: she didn't care if the RFI cured the plague or not, she only cared about was that the beast dies
Regardless of her reasoning, Nix still did the right thing in the end.
Even if it didn't cure the plague, it would still the "right thing"?
Eugene was to good for this game and he was a literal reality warpers that could have beat the beast without the rfi if he was in the second game but he has to be the punching bag like all nerdy characters. Thought we left that shit in the 80s.
No
@@locococo8961 eugene was holding back against delsin as he said in the game. Eugene clearly has more potential and could just create water and kill Cole. “The most powerful conduit of all time” lmao
Nerd Rage 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓
@@luisarms7004 what exactly is stopping Cole from literally absorbing his constructs? they're digital, ones and zeroes, which are made of electrical pulses.
@@parry3439 Its stated in first light that the constructs are made of light. Hard light holograms. Play the game dumbass
I think my main gripe with the game was one of the aspects that originally caught my interest in the first place; Delsin's four unique powers.
While their traversal uses were decently implemented, their combat uses were pretty much exactly the same. You have a light attack, a heavy attack, a crowd-control attack, and maybe one unique thing that the other powers don't have.
Contrast to Cole (if you exclude transferring with Kuo/Nix) and Fetch, they only had one power, but they were both fleshed out so much more. Hell, Cole could use his lightning as a grappling hook to pull himself towards objects, or enemies toward him. How does that work? I don't know, but it definitely was drastically more different than his other powers.
It's the classic quality > quantity case.
Ironically, Cole has more powers than Delsin, but as you said, they are far more varied and with different approaches to strategy and situations than Delsin's.
I felt exactly the same while playing through the game twice for both good and evil playthroughs, the powers were too similar with certain qualities that made them more useful in certain situation rather than varied based on the element being used.
Cole couldn't drive or get in a car because he would fry it, and he couldn't use a gun because he gun powder would explode on contact, and he couldn't swim because his electricity would discharge and he was weakened by being drained (not sure if that last one is accurate).
Delson on the other hand doesn't have these weaknesses, so they become questionable while playing the game. Why doesn't Delson take one of the DUP guns, why doesn't he drive one of the vehicles to get around the city, why can't he swim? Are conduits like the devil fruit users in one piece where it's a common trait? Rhetorical.
Infamous was clever about its gameplay, and why it wasn't just Grand Theft Auto with powers. We were given less access to the world because of the narrative, and it worked towards explaining the gameplay, keeping our suspension of disbelief.
I agree.
I think the main downfall of Delsin's powers is how defined they are. Nevermind them being completely unrealistic and silly, they did one thing (and also copied from Cole because reasons). Meanwhile Cole had electricity. He basically had power itself as his power. That's why he had so many ways of using it and why Kesler had such a different way of using them.
Most likely the reason why Delsin''s powers are less refined has more to do with the limited development time Second Son had than the multiple powers idea. Sucker Punch
got started on Second Son after FoB came out so that left them a little over 2 years to develop everything from scratch. Compare and contrast InFAMOUS 1's 4 year development
cycle. It just makes the game feel more like an elaborate tech demo than a full-fledged title.
This is why Second Son wasn't as good as the other 2. Launch Title. Just wanted to make it look pretty.
I believe this is not a good game almost objectively, but the lack of giving a shit about the continuity of the series is one of (if not) the worst things about the game
It wasn't a launch title.
Released 4 months after the console launched and was one of the first popular IP's from a renowned publisher to be brought over to the new generation, which was planned to encourage consumers to buy the new console.
It's a launch title.
@@Zivalene if it's not available from launch, it's not a launch title.
(Edit: and it was five months, well 4 months and a couple days)
@@pano3410 Arguing on the basis of logistics, instead of the basis of context, which everyone else is stating; fuck parties, you're just fun all year 'round, aren't you?
The way Delsin develops and acts is what leads me to believe that the evil side is what was originally intended to be canon. If you try to sync up the timeline with Kessler’s where the raysphere incident did not happen it seems to sync up with when Delsin appears.
I can get really specific but in short I believe that Delsin was really the beast, not John. A psycho trying to amass more power makes more sense than a villain causing destruction to save people from the fallout of an incident that never happened. The evil ending just makes way more sense to me in comparison.
In my own head canon, anyone can be the Beast, Delsin included. Also sounds pretty cool.
Zivalene Yeah. I was about to say that. The Evil Ending of Second Son will probably end up being canon.
Maybe in the original timeline Delsin stole John's powers
All this time I was only with it being Cole as the Beast in other timelines, but Delsin is just as interesting.
What would've thrown me for a loop was if second son was a prequel telling the backstory for the beast and what eventually lead to him squaring off against cole
I'm a fan of Second Son. And you're a terrible person for having logical points of contention. Well articulated points that are clearly thought out. Subbed btw in case my very dry humor didn't shine through.
The karma in Second Son didn't even make any sense and felt tacked-on compared to the other games.
Evil karma with Cole always felt like it made sense because Cole had a shity life and he was societies bottom boy and even then he didn't go full-on baby killer evil from the beginning as he started out small such as scaring people and intimidating them to do what he wanted them to do. He still would have never sold Zeke or Trish out from the beginning no matter if he was evil.
Delsins first Karma choice is to sell out his tribe to the d u p to protect himself. If Delsin was that evil than the whole game would have never happened as he would have never put himself in danger to save his tribe if he was willing to sell them out.
Delsin never had a reason to go evil but this is an Infamous game and it needed an evil route.
Jason so true
He only went evil to get that photon light coochy
Despite the flaws with Infamous Second Son, I still enjoyed the game.
“Its a hicksickle!” Made me laugh out loud uncontrollably for at least 10 minutes when I first played that mission. I love inFamous 2 with my whole heart
I was looking for "essay" style video for this game like 2 weeks ago and never found anything, what a great coincidence! I appreciate the effort you put into this, please make more.
How ironic that I started doing this 2 weeks ago. Thank you. :)
Woahh, it's those pseudo science manifestations people are prattling about.
Yeah, it's almost like your searching made me subconsciously start making videos. Thanks, psychic friend!
Cole had 2 games to develop, but honestly it felt like they almost reset his character between Infamous 1 and 2. Still, the point from where he started and the point where he ended in both games were noticeably different.
Delsin on the other hand...is just the same dick either way. I even remember calling bullshit when Reggie acts the same towards you regardless of your choices. Trish pretty much calls you a monster if you have evil karma when she dies.
The more I am reminded about Second Son, the more I regret playing it in comparison to the other 2.
Reset as how cole was writen between the two games or how he has to pick wether to be good or bad or both?
Second Son suffered from a giant unfixable flaw, bad writing. its like SuckerPunch only had a week to right a compelling narrative so they rushed every characters storyline, leaving all the characters redemptions empty and undeserved.
Half-Past-Ham
I honestly feel like they rushed this game out so they could release it as a launch title for the PS4.
I think the game up to the 3rd act was at least decent despite the lack of quality in the writing
For a game made by the same team behind the previous games, this feels like a game made by a team that fundamentally doesn't understand inFAMOUS
Honestly I like Reggie's viewpoint on Delsin him wanting to shield his brother from the world because of what he now is. I relate heavily because I have sister and she is my favorite person in the world even though we have are ups and downs. For instance, if conduits were real, the blast happened, Cole using the RFI happened, and now the events of Second Son were happening, and then my sister suddenly became a conduit, I would try to keep her safe, devote my life to protecting her from the authority who wants to take her away forever. Keeping her probably locked up in a place where she would be safe from them. And if she went down the path Delsin went down, to basically go disrupt D.U.P operations, I would keep a tight leash on what she does. It may seem cruel by I would care about her safety and trying to forget her powers are there then embracing it, it's a safer life for her.
having a brother and being raised by cops I can see what Reggie is going through, he loves delsin and wants him to be what he knows he can be but doesn't know how to communicate that to him. at least I see it that way cause he says a lot of the same stuff my parents said to me growing up while I was trying to find how to Express myself. As for the conduit part, Its been awhile since I've played it but didn't he play it off as a disease for delsin versus him being one, similar to someone getting cancer. I do wish there was a scene where they dive into these things but was hoping that more would be shown if a sequel was made.
Yeah, I was so confused. I ignored Second Son for so long due to my opposition to the idea of a continuation to the good ending to 2 but eventually tried it to see the gameplay and characters and ended up confused. It's weird coming off characters like Nyx and everyone to have stereotypes like Eugene. A part of me wants to believe it was due to this game being rushed to fit in the launch window of the ps4 but you can never know. Honestly, I wonder how much they could have did better if they just gave it a bit more time to work on
superkdude8D It could’ve been worse. It could’ve been the most unplayable game in existence. Like Superman 64
It probably went down like this:
Nate Fox: okay, lets start making inFAMOUS 3- wait, what? The trophy data says more people have played goid karma first, okay I don't want to piss anyone off so let's make the safest decisions possible and make a game set after that ending and let's be lazy about it
Or maybe this
Sony: okay, so according to the trophy data, more people played good karma fist, so Mr. Fox, you HAVE to make a game set after the good ending
Nate Fox: but that doesn't make any sense, I have a 3rd game planned and having a game set after the good ending makes no sense
Sony: YOU HAVE TO!! OR YOUR FIRED!!
Nate Fox: Fine! You want it, I'll fuckin' give it to you! (Angry and gritting his teeth)
Sony: good, now I want you to say you wanted to honor their choice and yada yada
Nate Fox: (mumbling to himself) I'm gonna make this game intentionally badly
8:40 Infamous 1 also developed Cole much better than Delsin in that game alone.
I personally love infamous second son, but I also agree with all of your points, can’t wait for the next part ^-^
Conspiracy maybe fetch was the main character and delsin was just a empty shell we use to spectate fetch journey.
For me personally, i like infamous second son. Mostly from the gameplay alone, but i also really like the story. I view it more as a sidestory compared to infamous 1 and 2, and just try not to think of it as a sequel to infamous 2 because of narrative plot holes you've described in the previous video. And i enjoy the story like a popcorn flick. Enjoyable, but it's just that. The main characters were likeable enough for me to support and they are entertaining. So yeah, not much else. I guess what i'm trying to say is i do understand what you're pointing out regarding the game's flaws in its story but even so, i still enjoy the story for what it is. And the gameplay is awesome enough for me to like the game. But yeah infamous 1 and 2 are better overall (especially Infamous 2)
The intro made me laugh. XD Just started, I bet this will be a good one.
Edit: Now that I've finished the video, I can honestly state that every point you made was spot on, true facts. Second Son was really underdeveloped compared to 1 and 2. It felt... rushed.
I actually forgot they even mention their parents that one and only time.
That feel when Delsin’s brother is a better main protagonist than Delsin himself. Makes me wonder how it would’ve gone if Reggie had the Conduit gene instead.
Or even both of them, with Delsin deciding to go crazy with his powers while Reggie has to rein him in, evade Augustine, AND find a way to help the tribe.
When you realize that Delsin is the "What if Zeke had powers" character
You've really made me rethink how I view this game. Great video. It's too bad Sucker Punch slipped up on this game when it comes to character depth.
I want infamous 1 and 2 remastered
Tj Sidhu fax
Tj Sidhu Me too. Why isn’t that a thing yet?
Super Lombax cause they're making ghost of thish somthing
Ghost of Tsushima. Google isn't hard to use.
@@tjs1212 the way you wrote that I thought it said ghost of Trish
As in Coles 'dead' gf in infamous 1
in my head canon Delsin is the Beast from Kessler's time-line, however when Kessler accelerates the development of the Ray sphere, he made Jonh the beast
And this all could be avoided if they went with the evil ending
it's kind of creepy to imagine all of this stuff i loved from second son may have been just the product of other characters who had been fleshed out supporting another character who was more or less just a 'meh'bag during the reign of his story--even the antagonist had more interest to work off of than who i was * actually playing as *
The creators rushed infamous second son I feel like they should give delsin more DLC about what happened after the DUPS END
green beedrill rather get a better game.
green beedrill yeah this game could have been amazing with more development time
Tj Sidhu yeah and I think make a game about delsins parents
green beedrill well they did but ( is the origami killer ) or something like that but they dont continue it
Joaquin Diaz I mean like we should no more about what happend beside you can't get paper
This video was extremely interesting and insightful. I never knew why I hated second son so much despite the fun gameplay it had. Until watching this video, you've spelt it our for me clearly there was no personality there it was all dry cut and bone tropes. Thank you
I honestly found the game boring as shit
Huh. I just finished Part 1 of this earlier today, interesting twist of fate that. Was eagerly waiting for the next one and here it is. Neat.
Delsin and Reggie's characters were squandered and they had so much potential to be something greater. A factor I would've loved to see is delsin and self loathing. In the beginning when he tells Reggie he's 'one of them' that could've been something great. Have us explore how delsin See's himself as a freak and as the game progresses he starts changing. If you choose good karma maybe he starts to accept who he truly is especially after seeing how his positive influence affected Fetch and Eugene ultimately changing him into a hero. Or if you choose bad karma he starts to change that self loathing into a hatred and he unleashes his rage onto the populace and DUP becoming angry, easily irritated and generally confirming the public's fear of conduits, after all "when a normal person has a bad day he punches a hole in his way...when a conduit has a bad day the body count is in the double digits"
And small side note...I fucking hate how no matter what Reggie says he's proud of delsin...even if you slaughtered dozens of his fellow officers
Hell it WAS done better. In First Light specifically, showing us how Fetch's brother was a calming influence on her, and a major guiding force in her life.
Infamous 1 and 2 evil route: made sense, it wasn’t just black and white, I agreed with Cole sometimes.
Infamous second son: Haha neon beam go brrr
This just popped up in my recommendations and im so gladed it did. SUBBED
Yeah, I got whiplash when Delsin started talking about how awesome his powers are 5 minutes after he thinks he's a freak because of his powers.
I just now have discovered this Channel. And so far. I agree with all the points you have stated about the Infamous games. They are some of my favorite games. But Second Son is my least favorite. But one of my favorite powers. I’m honestly hoping so much for a new Infamous with a much better plot with more in-depth characters.
Why am I just now finding this channel this is perfect
to be honest I completely forgot about all of these characters.
See, in Eugene's defense, I was like him in high school, although I grew out of it as I went out into the world However I give the game leeway because Eugene was taken by the DUP when he was in high school and never got a chance to develop into and adult. Seriously, it's scary how close to my behavior in high school Eugene exhibits. As you said, introverted, nerdy, completely absorbed in games as an escape... I agree with the rest of the video, I just feel the "nasally, shut-in nerd" trope isn't as inaccurate as some think.
Why did Eugene even attack Delsin when he tried to enter his literal mother's basement? I always felt like I missed a story beat, but I don't think I did. He coulda just explained to him the situation, given his powers, and off Delsin goes. As for Eugene's story resolution, in the first mission he was in, he mentions how he understands and loves Delsin's graffiti, why wasn't that ever expanded on? They could've easily had him resolve to do things his way by the end of his arc, standing up to Delsin in the process for constantly berating him, with some video graffiti of his own to signify him following in Delsin's footsteps in his own way. I think that would've been a whole lot more satisfying, and it would've rid him of having only one defining trait, that of a sweaty MMO nerd.
I also think that that's what should've unlocked the stencil art minigame. Let's not have it be just Delsin tagging things up for no reason, let's have him competing with Eugene, friendly competition and all that. Ya know, have it be connected to the story. Like side content in every other Infamous game.
This is the first analysis on IF:SS that I have seen and everything that bugged me is here! So glad someone finally did this.
I was hyped so much for iF:SS when it was first announced, and disappointed when its over. A lot of thing felt watered down and the paper trail dlc felt like "we're sorry that we forgot all this character arc we should have told in the first place" but still, I say the story did went into right direction, First Light is a proof of that. Waiting and see if GoT is going to be good, otherwise I have no hope for next iF.
Also iF:SS endings is dumb on both side.Good ending has GOOD IS COOL, PEACE & HARMONY, and a bit of a call back to iF2 in a cheap attempt to make me cry, while bad? WE'RE EVIL NOW, LOL.
While listening to what you were saying about Hank, and I started noticing some similarities between him and Spider-Man 3's Sand Man. Both of them have daughters (That are only seen once I might add), rob banks, got into trouble with law enforcement, gained their powers before running into the protagonists of their respective stories and worked with the major antagonists for the sake of their daughters.
You know, it would be hilarious if Sucker Punch admitted that they were trying to make their own version of Sand Man, but with smoke powers instead.
The infamous wiki also mentions this similarity.
@@Zivalene Oh? So I'm not the only one who made that comparison. That's nice to know.
Glad youtube recommended me to you. You're pretty funny
So I'm enjoying this look back at a game from one off my favorite series that just failed to live up to its potential, but there is something that no one ever seems to mention about this game that I hope you will, the powers. In inFAMOUS 1 & 2 Cole constantly bemoans his powers, he picked up a gun and it exploded in his face, he can never get in a car again, in inFAMOUS 2 there is a bath with a sponge and a grounding wire in it that implies that is the only way Cole can clean himself without dying. But Delsin says 'The only downside being... nope this is pretty awesome.' It's a small thing but I feel it helps explain why Cole isn't as happy about getting powers as Delsin and why Delsin doesn't seem to worry about the downside of new powers. Kuo freezes Cole's face when she first gets her powers, god knows what Burtrand and Nix did when they were starting out.
That's an argument for why Delsin's powers should have a downside, not why it's okay for them not to have a downside, way I see it. It only would've made him more human.
Absolutely, if Delsin had something bad happen like since he absorbs the powers of conduits why not drain life force like Rogue from the X-MEN. In an early demo they showed Delsin finding Fetch and the moral choice was to only leech a small bit of power, or drain her dry and kill her. would have been interesting.
Oh don't worry, I will.
Adam Greenway It’s “I’m the avatar! You’ve gotta deal with it!” all over again.
I would like to think that delson's need was to show people that humans and conduits can live together I think those were his needs like he needed to show them a better path
I feel like this game just needed more time to flesh everything out. The story felt rushed and it was essentially "Quick get powers and then kill big bad!" when it should have been much slower giving people time to do things. Alongside that Karma should have had a bigger impact as throughout the story like you said Delsin doesn't change too much as the only big changes in the grand scheme of things are at the end with the public eye and the ending (which imo both endings were pretty good with the Hero one being sombre and the Infamous one actually being somewhat realistic to the situation). Here is hoping the next Infamous games if we get some more I hope it improves upon this stuff.
Themes/lessons from infamous:
Infamous 1:Confront your problems or they get worse.
Infamous 2:The good choice isn't always the easy one.
Infamous second son:???
I'm guessing "Enjoy your powers."
Get it cause it's the tagline for the game
Well, I read the comics that bridge them together, so yes.
Plus, trying to explain how he isn't the same person is way harder. Evil clone? Separate dimension?
When they eventually announce the next infamous game in 2020-2021 I really do hope they don’t rush it, I’m honestly kinda disappointed we’re getting Ghost Of Tsushima from Sucker Punch as I’m desperately itching for my InFamous fix but good games need the proper amount of time to be cooked, I just hope I doesn’t end up being a PS5 launch title and therefore another lacklustre half-cooked game.
I've been on a PS3 binge and yeah I have a feeling that they have been working on Ghost of tsushima for a while 🤞 it's good and they go on a short holiday to celebrate and revitalize their creative juices
I posted my veiw on how the story could go on the comments.....I live in Alaska so sorry for doing this so late
When regy died delson should have learnt to grow up and take his situation more seriously
Idk how I was subes to your channel saw your vid in my sub box and I actually really like it keep up the good work
You should do more franchises you like but I am pretty glad to see infamous vids. I'm glad I watched this since I'm trying to be a but more critical about what I play and I think this helped a bit :)
*THANK YOU RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RECOMMENDING THIS CHANNEL*
The beginning doe
glad this part two is finally out, I love it (even if I am two days late lol)
Eugene: has conduit powers that are based around video games...
*Only uses demons and angels*
Technically he has pixel powers that he could do absolutely anything with like Green Lantern.
Chooses to form his powers around his favorite video game and for some reason Delsin isn't imaginative enough to make up his own manifestation for the same powers.
Fuck it, I guess I’ll play devil’s advocate lol. Now don’t get me wrong they’re a lot of things that I agree with you on. Although, I’m gonna see if I can make a better argument for Delsin.
“Cole‘a story is about not running away from your responsibilities and accepting your purpose while Delsin’s story is more about expectations and finding your purpose.
I can elaborate more if you want, just let me know…
That did not make any sense for a human being such as yourself
"Delsin wants to get more power to save his tribe, but what does he need?"
Concrete, next question
Need being a spiritual change he must make that he had no means of doing from where he started to obtain concrete. Didn't follow the examples at all in the video, huh?
@@Zivalene No, I followed them, like how Nathan Drake always wants to find this lost city filled with treasure, but always needs to learn that somethings are more important than gold (I think that's along the same lines)
However, the way the question was phrased, I literally said that out loud
Thats a far more accurate answer than what you answered for Delsin. So what is the appropriate answer for Delsin?
@@Zivalene Physically, Concrete
Spiritually....idk, appreciate his brother? Best I got
Probs because "Wants vs. Needs" wasn't applied to Delsin.
I think i just found another channel with thought out opinions thanks. Side note: the only funny moments i even found in the game was the billboard chick(feels rude to say but no idea on name) Delsin calls.
In my sort of unique perspective I loved Infamous 1 and its easily considered the best ending plot twist ive ever seen in a game! Of course thats opinion. Sadly when it came to Infamous 2 i kindve sort of havent played it=( always wanted to but It was never in stores when i had the money.
As for second son the same thing happened as with infamous 2 till playstation store dropped a sale with it at like 3 dollars and i jumped on board. Playing through the first time of course i went the pure good route and i think i honestly got too swept up in the return to sandbox Gameplay and the newness of the different powers, so much so that i didnt pay much attention to the story.
Recently i finished a Bad playthrough and a little over the rush of the gameplay the story became glaringly terrible. I think maybe its a bit more terrible when your playing the evil path since nothing seems to change around you based on your choices and personally the powers are super sub par in that route. That kindve pushes you to lean to the story a bit more and every interaction along that route seems forced and out of place. Even the characters as you mentioned feel very cookie cutter and in the bad route just kindve run along on a track when Delsin decides to "corrupt" them, there isnt a conversation or argument just yep im evil your evil now ok *looks over to see a thumbs up* got it!!
Sorry its long and not very thought out but keep up the good work im looking forward to the next video
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Actually, part of the reason Delsin was willing to trust Hank was because, in his words, they’ve “got no love for Augustine”.
That's a horrible reason. Of course a Conduit criminal would have no love for the warden of the Conduit jail. Lol
Zivalene Yeah. Which is why Delsin would’ve never imagined that Hank would’ve worked with Augustine for any reason.
19:13 oh shit I didn't know Mr Clean was in InFamous Second Son
I think what would have been a great way to characterize Delsin is to have his backstory go as this.
At the beginning of the game bother Delsin and his brother are against Conduits. This is a result of their parents being killed by one... Cole.
Both of their parents died in the Empire City blast that gave Cole his powers. Perhaps they were on a business trip or vacation, why doesn't matter on that they died. This way it gives a personal reason as to why Delsin became a rebel. He's using his love of graffiti to cope with his parents loss even after all these years, maybe their father or mother was an artist and Delsin got his love of art from them. Delsin grows up resenting Cole for what happened, and by extensions Conduits.
Then Delsin finds out he is a conduit and as the story progresses he learns more about the hardships of being one and the truth behind Cole. He finds out that Cole didn't purposefully destroy Empire City and it wasn't his fault and that Cole was a hero. He finally lets go of his rebellious attitude and starts taking responsibility for his actions and decides to become the hero that he needs to be.
To honor his parents, Cole's sacrifice, and the conduits that are suffering.
Matthew Hilliker Y’know, that could be interesting. Hopefully, Ziv will see this.
I agree with all of your points and your explanation actually opened up my eyes a bit more about the characters. I'm glad you made these videos about the characters since you don't often see videos around deep analysis of characters in the series. I find it glaring how Augustine looked similar to my former art teacher from Elementary/Middle School, who I later grew to hate, which intensified my initial dislike towards Augustine. Uncanny Valley.
I think the reason they didn’t do these things with second son is cause they were to focused on the graphics of the game and when it was close to releasing they didn’t have time to do all these things and didn’t want to delay it which I think they should’ve done for the better of this game and fully explain everything like how are conduits alive and stuff like that
You know after watching your videos and replaying second son it seems like it could look like the evil ending was canon before changing think about this
The game is set in a fictional version of Seattle called seaport and the opening is about the same but where it diverges is delsin has an angel and a demon at his shoulders Reggie and cole macgrath whos in seaport cresting conduits
The karma system could be represented by two people, good for Reggie and bad for cole, Reggie implores delsin to do things that are considered heroic while cole implores delsin does things more infamous
The dup occupation is done as a way to locate and eliminate cole macgrath and by working with the dup you show that not all conduits are evil while doing dismantling them shows that your as destructive as cole
You can choose to arrest suspected conduits working for cole and even recruit conduits who are likeminded in your karma rank to either help the dup or join cole
The dup itself is a response to coles actions in new Marais and are a nationwide task force set up to find and detain conduits while also being ordered to kill macgrath with conduits even in their ranks who share the same goals as the dup
It’s a rough sketch but even this can show the potential of what second son could have improved upon
I'm surprised you didn't mention the "penal code" line from Cole. That always gave me chortles.
I wanna see the aftermath of delsin getting all the powers of curden cay so damn badly
Don't we all. I just want them to resume inFamous overall.
I think Eugene and Hank should have had their own game like Fetch so they would get more fleshed out.
I agree
Funnily enough, I know this inFamous/Kill la Kill/Venom crossover fanfic called inHuman that is actually working to address a lot of your issues with Second Son in said story. Though admittedly, this seems to be a slow process as I've only seen hints and inklings of that in said story. But I can still see where an effort is being made.
Even giving a chance for Delsin to get any sort of backstory would change the whole game and the character by far but would still need some character development along the journey after all in most video games the journey is more important than the destination
Still hoping that somehow SuckerPunch will make another Infamous game, especially with the scrapped ideas of glass and wire. I'd like to play as the paper conduit.
As a fanfiction writer, Hell yeah! I'd love to have Eugene's video powers!
Brandon, I saw your previous comment on another video. If you need a beta reader for your drafts, let me know. I love to help out fellow fiction writers.
SOOO true! I felt far more for Reggie!
And yes! When Delsin goes bad, he is still proud! That annoys the shit out of me! Reggie shouldn't be proud of that!!!! And also there is a version where at the end Delsin KILLS everyone at his home....
Better story/ characters = infamous 1+2
Better Gameplay = Second Son
Delson felt like he needed a good sequel. I also felt alternate endings should've been higher. I also think reggie makes sense to me because I had brothers like him.
Damn I love that video opening
You're absolutely right about Eugene. I'm a mechanical engineer, gamer, and robotics nut that went to college. I passed some ridiculous classes, including English 102, Calculus III, Differential Equations, Programming, AutoCAD III, etc. I even have all the world record high scores on the PS3 version of the video game Shatter, yet I can still maintain a normal conversation like any other person. Neither me or anyone I went to college with act like Eugene at all. We're all just regular, normal people. We don't even use big vocabulary words. I hate how society treats us like this.
Cole: You alright?
Zeke: Yeah, it's as a fiddle!
....
Cole: That's a big ass fiddle.
Me: *immediately starts dying.*
i subscribed 30 minutes ago and im already seeing the part 2 to this, hell yeah.
Good timing. :)
Ya second sons story and characters were very lacking but imo the gameplay totally makes up for it, I spent hours running and messing around. It was smooth and crisp and the powers and ability trees were good fun.
RichytheKing13 I agree, and after playing as Hero and Infamous I found the Hero side to be more fun and rewarding.
I agree with the humor part save for Delsins saying the protestors were dangerous because they had signs.
Another solid video! 👍 Also, that intro lmao
As a writer myself, I agree with your points on the character development. I first played the some three(?) years ago and just finished my second playthrough two days ago--and I did it in the lens of the writer.
The missing elements for Delsin is on point. He has a goal (want) but the need isn't anywhere to be proud. And the "ghost" or the backstory to tell why he and Reggie are the way they are is also missing (giving a hint to the audience leading to the big WHY would have been appreciated.)
Also, the choices based on Good or Bad Karma would have benefited the storyline so much if they've been based on the misbelief/lie/inner goal/need that Delsin has--which he doesn't, unfortunately. It would've been nice to see his choices impact the world and the characters around him. Would've been nice to see the world actually change post-game based on his choices. But regardless of what kind of Karma is chosen, the world and his character remains the same at the very base.
I Assume They Tried To Make Delsin Have A Flat Character Arc
Where He Affects The World Around Him And Doesn't Necessarily Go Through A Character Arc..
However, They Could've Definitely Gone About It Better..
The Karma System Clashes With The Flat Character Arc Yet Also Doesn't Cause Of How He's Written For Them
He Ends Up Taking A Negative Character Arc For The Infamous Ending
And The Hero Ending...He's Just Going With The Story, It Doesn't Feel Like The Story Is Going With Him
In Eugine's defense, the only thing I can say is that even tought Eugine has the power to make his imagination come to life he is to scared to used because of the Psycological abuse he has suffered.
Not just being bullied in school because he was a gamer, bullying in almost all aspects of his live and psicological torture and trauma caused by Agustine.
I am not a psicollgist but a person can have all tge oower on the world but if you are conviced that you can't do shit then that is what is going to happend.
They could have written Eugine arc as a person that rather than being a stereotipical introvert nerd that gets saved by the extrovert, learns that he has the power to be anything that he wasnt, that he just need to give himself the chamce to try, or a victim of psicological abuse that has able to come go terms with what happend to him and move on not letting his trauma and fear drag him down.
I know this sounds strange, but I would have preferred to have played a game with Augustine as the protagonist. Think of it, instead of “good and evil” options, there’d been “Army and Conduit” options choosing between lawful and chaotic options. The powers would have been a riot to see on screen, concrete fortified punches and jumps, temporarily creating cover, restraining downed enemies by having them sink into the concrete, and of course, lobbing wads of concrete at enemies.
Playing as Delsin gives more fun but Cole. Cole has amazing storyline
I always had more fun playing as Cole. I always felt like an actual superhero, I always felt like I was better equipped for encounters and be stylish doing it. Delsin feels like I'm floundering and trying to be more flashy than actually effectively fighting with 1/4 of my powers at my disposal.
Delsin's journey to Becoming a hero Literally: so Awesome
"Four or five moments - that's all it takes to become a hero. Everyone thinks it's a full-time job. Wake up a hero. Brush your teeth a hero. Go to work a hero. Not true. Over a lifetime there are only four or five moments that really matter. Moments when you're offered a choice to make a sacrifice, conquer a flaw, save a friend - spare an enemy..."
I wonder what your take on that boy aqua video is.
Cole was better character in Delson
X Death true imho
I've been wracking my brain through the first two infamous games the past few days.
Do you think there would be a possibility of a split in the time line since the SECOND SON is a subtitled game with infamous brand
Like this
Infamous 1-------------------2---------
Second son \======
Any response would be welcome
Since ghost of tsushima is coming out soon do you think they will come back to The Infamous brand
I have no doubt that Second Son could be a separate timeline.
And no, Sucker Punch has never returned to an old IP.
Zivalene alright thank you
Easy. Sucker Punch takes 3 years to make a game with an established IP, and 6 or more years with a new IP. It's now been 4 years since Second Son came out and their next game is a new IP. Sucker Punch has never gone back to an old IP and even said they would rather make new games each generation than maintain a franchise until it turned stale. They saw what was happening to inFAMOUS in this generation and did the smart thing and moved onto Ghost of Tsushima.
Of course you would, because logic doesn't matter when you want something. Honestly if they aren't going to make inFAMOUS 3 (which they already said Cole deserves to stay dead), then I don't care what they make as long as it's better than this game.
It doesn't even feel like part of the same universe as the first two
I really like how your videos start and ends. No intro and outro to skip
I skip intros on anyone else's videos, so I don't do one.
Euguene was the most OP character in the game. It made me wonder why Delsin didn't just ask him to use his powers to storm Augustine's base after their mission. Also Fetch should've been the Main Character. I kinda like her.
Nocktuk Daze she's the main character in the standalone dlc/prequel game Infamous: First Light
Nocktuk Daze Because apparently Augustine >>>>>>>>>> imagination.
I also like how Delsin can't think of anything on his own with video, and just does what Eugene does.
That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works.
Peasham
Fuck, you're right!
I think a lot of the problem comes from the time Sucker Punch had to develop the game, cause like at the start there is more going on for everyone. We hear more about Delsin and Reggies pasts, we see more of Delsins motivations, and we more smoke powers to do cool stuff with (car jumping, that shotgun blast etc.). It feels like Sucker Punch were told to develop for a shorter time frame after you meet Fetch, which I think is the case cause Second Son was supposed to be a launch title for the PS4.
This game feels like they had the framework down, and had the character concepts started but then had to rush to the end