Both this video and the previous one are incredibly informative and well made, and illicit a similar tone to ron's VO in the show. Love the in-depth research and editing man, keep it up.
The problem was it was cancelled in its prime, so it never could recapture the "spark" that the original seasons had. The expectations were too high, and they messed around with the formula too much. Any time there's such a long gap in between seasons (we're talking 5+ years), things are going to change. The biggest problem for me was actually the filming style. They went from the "documentary" feel to a fixed camera, and it just takes the spontaneity out of it.
I would agree. Outside of the time constraints that made 1-3 so good, I think director Troy Miller is the main reason the new seasons fail. He's style doesn't fit and he clearly doesn't know what good comedy is.
If Jason Bateman was the spine of the series, Jessica Walters was the absolute heart. In the first four seasons, she had such an amazing, complex performance that could only be rivaled by Will Arnett and David Cross' characters.
I'm glad Jessica Walters wasn't like Lucille and Mallory. Those characters are wickedly funny when they're fictional, but insufferable in real life. Jessica Walters was a treasure, may she rest in peace.
@@James-do4oh Hurwitz himself admitted S4 was full of mistakes and I'll say the re-edit made it an even bigger mess. Without the network constraints the pacing was thrown off entirely and there was far, far, far too much reliance on callbacks to much funnier material in the original 3 seasons. I say this as someone who was very excited for the Netflix revival when it first aired and was going in with more than an open mind. It is easy to go back and see how the "look" and "feel" are all off but there was still potential. Combination of production nightmares with scheduling conflict and - quite frankly - Hurwitz's arrogance that he felt compelled to "Reinvent" television again sunk it. Those green screen scenes alone are just ridiculous
It really is a shame that the reunion seasons lacked the punch of the original, but god damn, did it allow us to remember what a shockingly talented cast this was. It's amazing it came together a single time, much less twice, truly lightning in a bottle.
I was super excited for part 2 so this was awesome. And you touched on it a little but I think the biggest issue with the reboot was losing Michael as the sympathetic straight man. Almost all great comedies get you to care for the characters on some level and that was lost in season 4.
I'm kind of divided about that. I understand your reasoning but at the same time I find Michael's arc fascinating and even logical the way it's presented. It's like he wore himself out and his family finally "infected" him.
For me the main problem with S4 was the lack of the characters being together. Just that group dynamic with the silly situations, the banter, the obscure little things you don't pick up until a second or third watch. Having the characters mostly alone or with one member of their family in S4 really lost that element and for me that was probably the best thing about the whole show.
from the moment Jessica Walter as Lucille Bluth uttered the famous line, "look what the homosexuals have done to me", I was hooked! 🤗 What a terrific production it was; too bad they couldn't pick up where they had left off.
As a guy I just have to say how PROUD I was to here the wonderful Jessica Walters speak her mind in that NYT clip. I don’t care what anyone thought at the time or otherwise. Especially when she was surrounded (apparently) with apologists forJT’s “creative process!” I feel a certain rage picturing her taking that kind of treatment. I miss her, she was beautiful.
She was pretty clear about saying "it wasn't okay, but I forgive you." It sounds like Tambor was fairly contrite as well. It wasn't her "standing up to him", it was her standing her ground, wanting to be heard, but also willing to forgive him. Gen Z isn't awesome at forgiveness, so it might not look like that to younger people, but that's what that was 😂
It was so fantastic how she refuted Jason’s statement that behavior such as Tambor’s happens regularly. She simultaneously reminded them all she had been in show business for 60 years and had never been treated so badly. RIP Queen.
I get so tickled by all the callbacks and references in this video (it's perfection, you are clearly an AD fan) that I've had to rewind several times to make sure I don't miss the overall narrative. Thanks for all the research you did, there was a ton of stuff in here I wasn't aware of. Keep it up!
The biggest issue I had with 4 was the mean-spirited nature of the humor. Arrested development was a show about horrible people, but the humor in the cruelty made it worth it. I felt 4 had more cruelty than humor. The most egregious moment of it for me: The MST3K cameo. Joel and the boys making one rather unfunny riff. A shame. Speaking of which, I wonder if MST3K could be a topic for this channel.
Mine as well - it's an interesting idea to have George Michael go dark due to the abuse and neglect he received, but Jason Bateman's genuine delivery is both his strength and weakness. He can portray genuine kindheartedness, but equally convincing cruelty without the comic element of George Senior or JOB.
This was incredible. The cuts to the show were perfect and some of the details in this episode and the last were some I never heard or picked up on when watching the show over and over. Really well done!
I don't think there will ever be another show quite like this one. So ambitious, well written, hilarious, and full of incredibly talented actors, writers, directors, and producers. I honestly don't know how they pulled it off to such perfection throughout those first 3 seasons.
That interview near the end where David Cross is talking about the show coming back, the pause he has after being asked "Do you think it should?" is incredibly telling. What happened with AD honestly helped me come to terms that it's alright we never got a season two of Firefly.
Well to be fair firefly is..well it certainly has lost some luster. On top of it strangely have pro-confederate sentiments, Joss Whedon had in the plans of season 2 to have a …sigh* rape. I wish I was kidding. And now that the public is more aware of how of a bigot/sexist and even potentially threatening he was (seriously Michelle’s confession that joss was banned from going to her trailer, and when joss reportedly threatened gal gadot), it’s best firefly didn’t come back. Arrested development, I mean look in a perfect world, the show would have gone on. But as the title of arrested development foreshadowed, Michael, the actors Netflix (to some extent), and the various writers who came on aboard to write the last seasons, were truly in arrested development. Horwitz seemed so blissfully unaware that the production was going well and he may have lied about Jeffrey’s behavior. I blame him more than the actors because they could conceivably lose their job had they acted especially the younger crew, and horwitz said “I never saw it.” What do you mean you never saw it? How is it possible that the entire crew saw the outburst and you didn’t? Did no one tell you? He had ambitions but the guys working alongside him the original seasons were gone, and he made the idiotic decision to have his unfunny friend take charge. Nepotism at its best and he didn’t seem understand that things were different. Michael cared more about the potential rather seeing “can we do this right?” Heck, the time constraints on the original network probably helped the show because it forced the cast to focus on the story and jokes more. Plus the production on the newer seasons looks so..clean? Like the original series is suppose to feel we are watching an animal planet documentary/reality tv show yet ..the newer seasons seem so ..bland and sets look faker
I appreciate your edit of the NYT interview. I watched a good deal of it with no prior knowledge of Tambor's issues on any set. I appreciate your edit here, it was plenty. But in that interview I could hear Jessica crying as Bateman, Cross, and all the well-intentioned family members tried to hop in for damage control. And that was it for me and is still it for me. Still my favorite 3 season show, this is why we shouldn't actually get more of a perfect thing.
@@ItWasAShtShowI just meant the part of the interview that you played, "edit" was a poor word choice on my part. I'm agreeing with you about how hard that interview was to watch.
These were thoroughly entertaining! Thank you so much for these, I was enthralled all of the way through. Fantastic editing. This show and always sunny never cease to bring me to tears!
You can tell this was made from the perspective of a fan - I loved the show as much as you did. It was hard to be disappointed by seasons 4 and 5 but we'll always have 1-3. Thanks for the great synopsis very style of the show that broke the mold, was a real treat to watch. It's hard not to WONDER what would have happened if they could have just had a more clear headed director on Season 4...
I mean he wanted to change the landscape of TV the way he did with the first 3 seasons, it just didn’t work out this time around. I could slog through Season 4 after like 3 tries but Season 5 is rough, like it’s not very good (outside of the character performances)
This video finally made me understand how S4 and 5 were just plain horrible. I do respect Mr. Hurwitz’s intentions; the lightening sadly did not strike twice.
Really helpful videos, especially this second part, in understanding AD’s demise. As a long time fan it’s good to know all the background as to how it was stopped in the first place, and the messiness that doomed the reboot. I think Netflix giving Hurwitz free reign on format and length was detrimental, because as he said, constraints increase creativity. Part of me also feels like it was too late to revive it, especially with the child actors all grown up. The first 3 seasons are still so watchable tho.
The first 3 seasons are peak comedy to me. The writting was perfect. What came later was a letdown, but eh, what can you do? It's how they say: better to love and break up than never love.
What a great episode in two part episode. I love seeing your channel grow. Although it did send me on my biannual binge of the first three seasons of Arrested Development. And I'm going with a season 2 is the best.
I love channels that breakdown and examine the making of music, tv shows and movies. This channel is one of, if not the best I’ve seen in presenting the information. I would suggest opening up the idea to adding albums to the Sht Show. Like The Making of St Anger was a Sht Show
I do eventually want to break out of just film and tv. Video games are hard because they are so secretive and the true story may never come out. Music is hard because of B-roll coverage. But we are thinking about it. Glad you’re enjoy the channel.
Man, that was a masterpiece. Beautiful piece of art in its own right. Some real craftsmanship mixed with sheer genius your cuts and overall edits. Impressive. Most impressive
I had no idea Season 5 existed until a little while ago. I remember the metoo stuff surrounding at Tambor and that NYT audio leak, but I never connected it with a new AD season.
This was done incredibly well. You matched their style. I never knew about season 4 remix, or that S5 even existed, because I gave up after barely tolerating S4
Thanks for putting this together. What’s neat is that I came across this show while in college…I checked it out from the local library. Became an immediate hit and my friend, now husband, watch it to this day. Of course we own the box set. To me this show is a hidden gem that I never watched while on air because the name was the same as a music group I listened to.
Thank you for this, I never really felt like watching Season 5 due to the original release of Season 4 letting me down personally. I still love and watch the original 3 seasons, still hopelessly in love with everything about them. I've always asked myself what was the biggest thing that Season 4 omitted that killed it for me, and then one day it hit me. What helped the first three seasons along was the tie-in to the Bluth company. It helped on so many levels, especially with Michael doing his best to save it as well as the great comedic moments that happened at the business. Season 4 just quickly skipped over it and then focused solely on the characters and their branching storylines.
Dude, ive been binging your videos all weekend. Just want to say major well done. Theyre so well researched, written and put together. Appreciate the work gone in
Well, that was excellent. Thanks for a brilliant couple of videos. Really interesting, level headed and informative. Makes me want to go back and re-watch 1-3.
I actually really like these seasons. They aren’t as strong as the initial seasons. But I still find them really fun. The green screen is so so bad though.
I agree that seasons 4 and 5 weren't as bad as everyone says. Definitely lost some of the magic, but the characters are so strong that even convoluted writing can't stifle the personalities and the cast makes it work. I finally finished the series last year after many attempts and my opinion totally changed.
Season 4 is bittersweet for me, because although when I remember 4 and 5 by the actual content and feel a bit deflated, when season 4 launched I was in my first year at uni, and a lot of people who were interested in comedy (and got me into arrested development the same year) had a big binge-watch party in AD costume on the evening of s4 release. Experiencing season 4 that way (given the hollow way it turned out) kind of helped it out, and I'm reminded of that event when I watch it now.
I was a late arrival to AD when it was on Fox. Saw a Season 3 episode and spent a NFL playoff weekend shuttling back and forth to Blockbuster to catch up 6 episodes at a time (on a 1 DVD at a time plan). And I was neck and neck in my Fantasy Football League (which in our case, included playoffs). But this SHOW! It was relatively terrible in the Netflix era. But nonetheless, was glad they at least tried to revive it - the axing had been so abrupt and the reboot still had some humor. But like Ali vs. Larry Holmes, a shell of what it once was. Four of the saddest words I ever heard were Ron Howard’s Fox-era-ending narration, “It was Arrested Development”. Appreciate your work in this recap of the reprise and why it didn’t capture the original magic…
So happy for this pt2, and hats off to you [and I presume your team- the edits are so slick]. Thanks for the hard work you put into entertaining us! 🤘🤓🏴☠️
So glad I found this channel. I’ve already watched every episode and am starting on the podcast now. I learned a ton about these movies and shows I had never known before!
Why is this comment the first one that comes up? Since when is yelling an unforgivable offense? Have you never been on a job site, people yell all the time when tensions are up. Non-cunty people get over it. Just more evidence of the feminization of culture. And TH-cam is promoting it considering how this comment was moved up. Hmm if TH-cam is promoting it, I wonder if there's a nefarious agenda?
I've been watching Dropout shows recently, and I'm constantly struck by how the cast are effectively coworkers absolutely *roasting* each other - often with sexual overtones - for our amusement. Now, they may be totally aware of each other's boundaries, and I did notice that the cast will always say things like "do I have your consent" before touching each other...but surely sometimes it goes too far and someone is hurt in some way. In that situation, you have to be ready to assume the best about your coworkers and be prepared to forgive mistakes, as well as apologize for your own. In an industry where people are supposed to punch, kiss, grope, insult, demean, or fuck their coworkers on camera, you can't be delicate about mistakes. Did Tambor make a mistake or was he just genuinely a terrible person?
For the record, season 4 is my favourite of the series and one of my favourite seasons of TV ever. While it certainly is different from seasons 1-3 and not for everyone I think the humour and the construction of the story is so unbelievably brilliant that every time I watch it I'm stunned and impressed. That Hurwitz and co. were able to pull off season 4 at all under these conditions is a triumph, but it also includes many of what I think are the funniest jokes, best character arcs and most memorable scenes of the entire series. Interestingly enough, after watching season 4 for the first time (the original edit) I didn't think it was as good as what I had come to expect, but when I revisited it later upon the release of Fateful Consequences I realised how much of the season I actually remembered fondly or was looking forward to seeing again. Perhaps it took the re-edit to bring out the best in the season, but I think it's genius in any case and I can forgive the intense amount of exposition when it's matched with an even greater quantity of hilarious jokes. I also personally really like the darker tone they gave Michael in his arc; despite Michael's competence and high moral character in relation to the other Bluths, the first 3 seasons hinted at serious flaws in his character as well and it's interesting to see them kind of bubble to the surface and have a serious, long lasting impact over his story. I think it makes his character more interesting as a result. Unfortunately, Season 5 still leaves me cold; I'm not surprised to discover the making of it was so unpleasant because unfortunately I think that miserable atmosphere translates into the show. Especially due to the smaller number of jokes, season 5 ends up feeling depressing and uncomfortable in a way that the show had avoided up until that point purely by being so ridiculously funny. Perhaps some people like it more for its more dramatic tone but I think overall it's pretty underwhelming and not nearly as memorable as the show up until that point. The best episodes of the season are the ones in the middle (especially the last four of part 1) which pick up the pace somewhat, but I think the lukewarm reception season 4 got may have caused the showrunners to back away from that more maximalist, convoluted style and thusly create a story that doesn't live up to its full potential. (In my opinion)
to be fair anyone who actually lives on the US Mexico border wishes they would have finished that wall. People entering the country being told to make it across where customs will pick them up and take them to tax payer funded housing while they churn through the system.
The original edit of season 4 is my favorite of the series. At first, I was somewhat lukewarm on it; but my appreciation has grown with each rewatch. I've seen it three or four times now. I actually like the fact that Michael is no longer a sympathetic character in that season; that change allowed for new comedic opportunities.
same here! i would still say i like season 2 a bit more, but s4's original cut is definitely a close second. it still gets a lot of laughs out of me and i actually really enjoy the format of each episode focusing on a different character while still tying into each other. it's definitely not perfect, but i think it worked really well as a 'where are they now' type season.
I loved season 4. I Absolutely loved it, and was genuinely shocked when other people started saying it wasn't good. I still have not watched season 5. I also loved season 6 of Community, and still enjoyed the Office after Michael Scott moved away ....maybe I'm just simple, and easily amused?
@@listrahtes I don't put any thought into comedy. I'm far more critical of literally every other genre. With comedy, whether it's a movie, a series, or a stand-up special, it only has to make me laugh. I watch it ...I laugh ...it's good.
Never saw the show when it originally came out and just spend the last couple of weeks binge watching all 5 seasons. I’m really glad I watched this video because it explains all of the questions I had when watching seasons 4-5. I know there’s been a decline in quality of a show when I start feeling like I’m forcing myself to watch it and I’m not enjoying it.
This show was ahead of its time, and I think too smart for most people at the time. I think it's possibly the best sitcom ever made. Can't count how many times I've watched the entire series.
Though I really enjoy this show, they shouldve never done their later episodes so many years later. I get they wanted to strike when the cult status was hot, but every show or movie that does that, never lives up to their previous work. Dumb and Dumber 2 and the Breaking Bad movie are great examples of this issue. Its so hard to take everything seriously when characters look drastically different. Its very distracting.
I discovered arrested watching your first video, watched all the first three seasons and ran to see the final two seasons just to watch this with a full understanding of it. (And not to get some spoilers). Anyway, it's a shame what ended up happening to the show. thank you so much for this video i enjoy so much this channel.
I actually really enjoyed Season 4. Could've done with a better director, but the way they managed to make it happen despite scheduling and how the episodes fit into the larger puzzle was pretty awesome. It's still a very strong season in my mind imo.
I really hated the Netflix reboot because it was too damn confusing. Major headache. I'm not there to piece together all of the jigsaw puzzles and enjoy the voila moments. The original is simple, direct and one can watch it episode after episode. Straightforward.
Both this video and the previous one are incredibly informative and well made, and illicit a similar tone to ron's VO in the show. Love the in-depth research and editing man, keep it up.
Thank you so much! I tried to put as much of the AD Narrator-isms in the script as possible. Glad you noticed!
@@ItWasAShtShow The shot of the baseball player diving was not wasted either. You could tell you are a fan of the show for sure. Great work.
I second OP. Excellent work.
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*elicit, not illicit. but otherwise 100% agreed!
Poor Jessica :( what a mess. I've never heard that audio before.
But also well done to her for standing her ground. RIP
lol
A 50+ year old cry baby.
@@BloominOnion-e3xeat glass you loner
good for her
knowing that jessica walter actually had a heart, unlike her characters, is the heart of the video
Because of the characters he usually plays, including AD, it's really hard to imagine her crying.
The problem was it was cancelled in its prime, so it never could recapture the "spark" that the original seasons had. The expectations were too high, and they messed around with the formula too much. Any time there's such a long gap in between seasons (we're talking 5+ years), things are going to change. The biggest problem for me was actually the filming style. They went from the "documentary" feel to a fixed camera, and it just takes the spontaneity out of it.
I would agree. Outside of the time constraints that made 1-3 so good, I think director Troy Miller is the main reason the new seasons fail. He's style doesn't fit and he clearly doesn't know what good comedy is.
Jessica Walter, what a woman. Talented and professional. I miss her.
If Jason Bateman was the spine of the series, Jessica Walters was the absolute heart. In the first four seasons, she had such an amazing, complex performance that could only be rivaled by Will Arnett and David Cross' characters.
I'm glad Jessica Walters wasn't like Lucille and Mallory. Those characters are wickedly funny when they're fictional, but insufferable in real life. Jessica Walters was a treasure, may she rest in peace.
Jessica Walter is a genius of comedy. I loved her in Arrested Development but my favorite role of her's is as Archer's mom.
She was a villain on an old episode of Wonder Woman!!!
She had an understated role in the Steve McQueen movie Le Mans.
Rest in Peace
she was great in PCU
@@poindextertunes oh my god yesss!!!!
Man, all three seasons of Arrested Development were amazing.
Right??? They ought to have made more.
Agreed, there are three seasons. They are amazing. The other seasons I look at more like a spin off.
I feel the same way about all two Godfathers.
You might not be smart enough for the last two. Four is especially brilliant in its original layout.
@@James-do4oh Hurwitz himself admitted S4 was full of mistakes and I'll say the re-edit made it an even bigger mess. Without the network constraints the pacing was thrown off entirely and there was far, far, far too much reliance on callbacks to much funnier material in the original 3 seasons. I say this as someone who was very excited for the Netflix revival when it first aired and was going in with more than an open mind. It is easy to go back and see how the "look" and "feel" are all off but there was still potential. Combination of production nightmares with scheduling conflict and - quite frankly - Hurwitz's arrogance that he felt compelled to "Reinvent" television again sunk it. Those green screen scenes alone are just ridiculous
It really is a shame that the reunion seasons lacked the punch of the original, but god damn, did it allow us to remember what a shockingly talented cast this was. It's amazing it came together a single time, much less twice, truly lightning in a bottle.
I was super excited for part 2 so this was awesome. And you touched on it a little but I think the biggest issue with the reboot was losing Michael as the sympathetic straight man. Almost all great comedies get you to care for the characters on some level and that was lost in season 4.
I agree. He’s almost outright antagonistic in it and George Michael isn’t in it enough to make up for the lack of heart.
1000% agree. Having him stoop to the rest of his family's level and compete with George Michael wasn't fun or funny.
Truly. And one of the few things that’s redeemable in S5 is retconning that he went over there to break with her.
I'm kind of divided about that. I understand your reasoning but at the same time I find Michael's arc fascinating and even logical the way it's presented. It's like he wore himself out and his family finally "infected" him.
@@diecarro79 True. Hurwitz said that he wanted Michael to become a full Bluth. But in doing so, there was nothing else to latch onto.
Season four was such a strange fever dream. It was so similar and yet so off.
Oh, I get it! It was all a meta-parody of the fourth season of *Community!*
For me the main problem with S4 was the lack of the characters being together. Just that group dynamic with the silly situations, the banter, the obscure little things you don't pick up until a second or third watch. Having the characters mostly alone or with one member of their family in S4 really lost that element and for me that was probably the best thing about the whole show.
"this scene is about buster feeling inadequate and we never cut back to busters" is such a funny unintended joke my god
from the moment Jessica Walter as Lucille Bluth uttered the famous line, "look what the homosexuals have done to me", I was hooked! 🤗 What a terrific production it was; too bad they couldn't pick up where they had left off.
I don’t know how you churn out this much quality with a fulltime job. Frickin’ sensationally good. Brilliant work.
This show was over everyone's heads from the start and that makes it an absolute genius winner for ever
As a guy I just have to say how PROUD I was to here the wonderful Jessica Walters speak her mind in that NYT clip. I don’t care what anyone thought at the time or otherwise. Especially when she was surrounded (apparently) with apologists forJT’s “creative process!” I feel a certain rage picturing her taking that kind of treatment. I miss her, she was beautiful.
She was pretty clear about saying "it wasn't okay, but I forgive you." It sounds like Tambor was fairly contrite as well. It wasn't her "standing up to him", it was her standing her ground, wanting to be heard, but also willing to forgive him.
Gen Z isn't awesome at forgiveness, so it might not look like that to younger people, but that's what that was 😂
It was so fantastic how she refuted Jason’s statement that behavior such as Tambor’s happens regularly. She simultaneously reminded them all she had been in show business for 60 years and had never been treated so badly. RIP Queen.
He is very funny, so it's sad to hear that he behaved like that. It's sad that such behavior scenes common in that industry
Hearing Jessica Walter cry made my stomach drop. Her memory for a blessing.
Haha I literally started watching AD because some guy in college was lending out his box sets 👀
See!
I get so tickled by all the callbacks and references in this video (it's perfection, you are clearly an AD fan) that I've had to rewind several times to make sure I don't miss the overall narrative. Thanks for all the research you did, there was a ton of stuff in here I wasn't aware of. Keep it up!
Glad you appreciated all the hard work!
The biggest issue I had with 4 was the mean-spirited nature of the humor. Arrested development was a show about horrible people, but the humor in the cruelty made it worth it. I felt 4 had more cruelty than humor. The most egregious moment of it for me: The MST3K cameo. Joel and the boys making one rather unfunny riff. A shame. Speaking of which, I wonder if MST3K could be a topic for this channel.
Mine as well - it's an interesting idea to have George Michael go dark due to the abuse and neglect he received, but Jason Bateman's genuine delivery is both his strength and weakness. He can portray genuine kindheartedness, but equally convincing cruelty without the comic element of George Senior or JOB.
What is MST3K? Genuinely asking
@@danmthemannotavailable mystery science theatre 3000
Pt.1 got me to rewatch seasons 1-3, thanks for that!
You’re welcome!
This was incredible. The cuts to the show were perfect and some of the details in this episode and the last were some I never heard or picked up on when watching the show over and over. Really well done!
I don't think there will ever be another show quite like this one. So ambitious, well written, hilarious, and full of incredibly talented actors, writers, directors, and producers. I honestly don't know how they pulled it off to such perfection throughout those first 3 seasons.
That interview near the end where David Cross is talking about the show coming back, the pause he has after being asked "Do you think it should?" is incredibly telling. What happened with AD honestly helped me come to terms that it's alright we never got a season two of Firefly.
Well to be fair firefly is..well it certainly has lost some luster. On top of it strangely have pro-confederate sentiments, Joss Whedon had in the plans of season 2 to have a …sigh* rape. I wish I was kidding. And now that the public is more aware of how of a bigot/sexist and even potentially threatening he was (seriously Michelle’s confession that joss was banned from going to her trailer, and when joss reportedly threatened gal gadot), it’s best firefly didn’t come back.
Arrested development, I mean look in a perfect world, the show would have gone on. But as the title of arrested development foreshadowed, Michael, the actors Netflix (to some extent), and the various writers who came on aboard to write the last seasons, were truly in arrested development. Horwitz seemed so blissfully unaware that the production was going well and he may have lied about Jeffrey’s behavior. I blame him more than the actors because they could conceivably lose their job had they acted especially the younger crew, and horwitz said “I never saw it.” What do you mean you never saw it? How is it possible that the entire crew saw the outburst and you didn’t? Did no one tell you?
He had ambitions but the guys working alongside him the original seasons were gone, and he made the idiotic decision to have his unfunny friend take charge. Nepotism at its best and he didn’t seem understand that things were different. Michael cared more about the potential rather seeing “can we do this right?” Heck, the time constraints on the original network probably helped the show because it forced the cast to focus on the story and jokes more. Plus the production on the newer seasons looks so..clean? Like the original series is suppose to feel we are watching an animal planet documentary/reality tv show yet ..the newer seasons seem so ..bland and sets look faker
I appreciate your edit of the NYT interview. I watched a good deal of it with no prior knowledge of Tambor's issues on any set. I appreciate your edit here, it was plenty.
But in that interview I could hear Jessica crying as Bateman, Cross, and all the well-intentioned family members tried to hop in for damage control. And that was it for me and is still it for me.
Still my favorite 3 season show, this is why we shouldn't actually get more of a perfect thing.
I’m not sure I get your meaning of “my edit.”
@@ItWasAShtShowI just meant the part of the interview that you played, "edit" was a poor word choice on my part. I'm agreeing with you about how hard that interview was to watch.
These were thoroughly entertaining! Thank you so much for these, I was enthralled all of the way through. Fantastic editing. This show and always sunny never cease to bring me to tears!
Glad you liked them!
Glad this channel's still going, really great stuff. Definitely should have more subscribers.
Thank you so much, Mr. Lynch.
You can tell this was made from the perspective of a fan - I loved the show as much as you did. It was hard to be disappointed by seasons 4 and 5 but we'll always have 1-3. Thanks for the great synopsis very style of the show that broke the mold, was a real treat to watch.
It's hard not to WONDER what would have happened if they could have just had a more clear headed director on Season 4...
It's wild how much Horowitz leaned against the strengths of the original series
Wild, and disappointingly shocking...
I mean he wanted to change the landscape of TV the way he did with the first 3 seasons, it just didn’t work out this time around. I could slog through Season 4 after like 3 tries but Season 5 is rough, like it’s not very good (outside of the character performances)
This video finally made me understand how S4 and 5 were just plain horrible. I do respect Mr. Hurwitz’s intentions; the lightening sadly did not strike twice.
@@lifesabeachnyc8568guys, it’s Hurwitz
@@Tw0tson Thanks for that. Fixed it. After seeing every episode so many times, I have no excuse either.
Really helpful videos, especially this second part, in understanding AD’s demise. As a long time fan it’s good to know all the background as to how it was stopped in the first place, and the messiness that doomed the reboot. I think Netflix giving Hurwitz free reign on format and length was detrimental, because as he said, constraints increase creativity. Part of me also feels like it was too late to revive it, especially with the child actors all grown up. The first 3 seasons are still so watchable tho.
The first 3 seasons are peak comedy to me. The writting was perfect. What came later was a letdown, but eh, what can you do? It's how they say: better to love and break up than never love.
Lots of great work in these videos. Pointing out all the meta jokes the show was making about the making of the show is an excellent touch
What a great episode in two part episode. I love seeing your channel grow. Although it did send me on my biannual binge of the first three seasons of Arrested Development. And I'm going with a season 2 is the best.
I think I would agree. But those 3 are all so great.
@@ItWasAShtShow Agreed.
During this video all I could think about was how much I wanted to rewatch the first 3 seasons
I just edited these two videos and I still restarted a rewatch.
@@MrAlmost3 The first episode already scratched that rewatch itch.
I'm 4 minutes in and I can tell you put an insane amount of work into this. Thank you!
Well that settles it, I’m rewatching it all again!
Great video so much info’ ❤
I love channels that breakdown and examine the making of music, tv shows and movies. This channel is one of, if not the best I’ve seen in presenting the information. I would suggest opening up the idea to adding albums to the Sht Show. Like The Making of St Anger was a Sht Show
I do eventually want to break out of just film and tv. Video games are hard because they are so secretive and the true story may never come out. Music is hard because of B-roll coverage. But we are thinking about it.
Glad you’re enjoy the channel.
Man, that was a masterpiece. Beautiful piece of art in its own right. Some real craftsmanship mixed with sheer genius your cuts and overall edits. Impressive. Most impressive
Thank you so much! Glad the hard work is noticed.
I had no idea Season 5 existed until a little while ago. I remember the metoo stuff surrounding at Tambor and that NYT audio leak, but I never connected it with a new AD season.
This was done incredibly well. You matched their style. I never knew about season 4 remix, or that S5 even existed, because I gave up after barely tolerating S4
Thanks for putting this together.
What’s neat is that I came across this show while in college…I checked it out from the local library. Became an immediate hit and my friend, now husband, watch it to this day. Of course we own the box set.
To me this show is a hidden gem that I never watched while on air because the name was the same as a music group I listened to.
As a person who constantly rewatches S01-S03, this was dope editing.
Thank you for this, I never really felt like watching Season 5 due to the original release of Season 4 letting me down personally. I still love and watch the original 3 seasons, still hopelessly in love with everything about them. I've always asked myself what was the biggest thing that Season 4 omitted that killed it for me, and then one day it hit me. What helped the first three seasons along was the tie-in to the Bluth company. It helped on so many levels, especially with Michael doing his best to save it as well as the great comedic moments that happened at the business. Season 4 just quickly skipped over it and then focused solely on the characters and their branching storylines.
Dude, ive been binging your videos all weekend. Just want to say major well done. Theyre so well researched, written and put together. Appreciate the work gone in
Thank you! Glad you’ve enjoyed them!
Never actually heard the Walters audio before. Heartbreaking. Great job with these videos!
Beautifuly made and the references are great
Underrated absolute gem of a video, both of these.
I unapologetically dug season four. But it was tough as hell to watch S5. Tambor killed it for me, personally.
24:34 you lip syncing editing genius
Well, that was excellent. Thanks for a brilliant couple of videos. Really interesting, level headed and informative. Makes me want to go back and re-watch 1-3.
Congrats on that MCU Part 3 video coming out! I started a rewatch today and didn't remember that bit at the end
OMG! I forgot I did that in this video…
I actually really like these seasons. They aren’t as strong as the initial seasons. But I still find them really fun.
The green screen is so so bad though.
The way Jessica Walters was treated in that tape leak? JFC. She was the best part of the damn show and my god. Awful. Just awful.
I agree that seasons 4 and 5 weren't as bad as everyone says. Definitely lost some of the magic, but the characters are so strong that even convoluted writing can't stifle the personalities and the cast makes it work. I finally finished the series last year after many attempts and my opinion totally changed.
I liked em too
The ADR was annoying at times though
And damn Tambor is horrible
Season 4 is bittersweet for me, because although when I remember 4 and 5 by the actual content and feel a bit deflated, when season 4 launched I was in my first year at uni, and a lot of people who were interested in comedy (and got me into arrested development the same year) had a big binge-watch party in AD costume on the evening of s4 release. Experiencing season 4 that way (given the hollow way it turned out) kind of helped it out, and I'm reminded of that event when I watch it now.
Jesus, Netflix has me so well trained I actually reached for my laptop when the "skip intro" button came up 17:12
I was a late arrival to AD when it was on Fox. Saw a Season 3 episode and spent a NFL playoff weekend shuttling back and forth to Blockbuster to catch up 6 episodes at a time (on a 1 DVD at a time plan). And I was neck and neck in my Fantasy Football League (which in our case, included playoffs). But this SHOW!
It was relatively terrible in the Netflix era. But nonetheless, was glad they at least tried to revive it - the axing had been so abrupt and the reboot still had some humor. But like Ali vs. Larry Holmes, a shell of what it once was.
Four of the saddest words I ever heard were Ron Howard’s Fox-era-ending narration, “It was Arrested Development”.
Appreciate your work in this recap of the reprise and why it didn’t capture the original magic…
This was so well done on so many levels. Excellent video!
Thank you!
I didn't discover the original series until 2010- I was instantly in love. What a shame it didn't have the support it deserved.
So happy for this pt2, and hats off to you [and I presume your team- the edits are so slick]. Thanks for the hard work you put into entertaining us! 🤘🤓🏴☠️
Well it’s more like 1.25 person operation.
Hey, we noticed and appreciated the infinite work in video editing regarding puns and aligned lines.
Just wanted to let you know. Good work.
I was so excited for part 2 that I didn't even know it came out. Thank you so much for this!
So glad I found this channel. I’ve already watched every episode and am starting on the podcast now. I learned a ton about these movies and shows I had never known before!
Watched the first video a good 4 or 5 times. So glad you were able to continue telling the story... kinda like Arrested Development. But only kinda
The timing and selection of clips are just… perfection
God bless Alia Shawkat for immediately taking a stand against Jason Bateman's attempts at defending Tambor's behavior.
Sounds like he must have done something really horrible
A just god wouldn't have allowed any of those things to happen in the first place.
Why is this comment the first one that comes up? Since when is yelling an unforgivable offense? Have you never been on a job site, people yell all the time when tensions are up. Non-cunty people get over it. Just more evidence of the feminization of culture. And TH-cam is promoting it considering how this comment was moved up. Hmm if TH-cam is promoting it, I wonder if there's a nefarious agenda?
I've been watching Dropout shows recently, and I'm constantly struck by how the cast are effectively coworkers absolutely *roasting* each other - often with sexual overtones - for our amusement. Now, they may be totally aware of each other's boundaries, and I did notice that the cast will always say things like "do I have your consent" before touching each other...but surely sometimes it goes too far and someone is hurt in some way.
In that situation, you have to be ready to assume the best about your coworkers and be prepared to forgive mistakes, as well as apologize for your own.
In an industry where people are supposed to punch, kiss, grope, insult, demean, or fuck their coworkers on camera, you can't be delicate about mistakes.
Did Tambor make a mistake or was he just genuinely a terrible person?
@@twistysnacksI’m sorry but what are you talking about?
For the record, season 4 is my favourite of the series and one of my favourite seasons of TV ever. While it certainly is different from seasons 1-3 and not for everyone I think the humour and the construction of the story is so unbelievably brilliant that every time I watch it I'm stunned and impressed. That Hurwitz and co. were able to pull off season 4 at all under these conditions is a triumph, but it also includes many of what I think are the funniest jokes, best character arcs and most memorable scenes of the entire series. Interestingly enough, after watching season 4 for the first time (the original edit) I didn't think it was as good as what I had come to expect, but when I revisited it later upon the release of Fateful Consequences I realised how much of the season I actually remembered fondly or was looking forward to seeing again. Perhaps it took the re-edit to bring out the best in the season, but I think it's genius in any case and I can forgive the intense amount of exposition when it's matched with an even greater quantity of hilarious jokes. I also personally really like the darker tone they gave Michael in his arc; despite Michael's competence and high moral character in relation to the other Bluths, the first 3 seasons hinted at serious flaws in his character as well and it's interesting to see them kind of bubble to the surface and have a serious, long lasting impact over his story. I think it makes his character more interesting as a result.
Unfortunately, Season 5 still leaves me cold; I'm not surprised to discover the making of it was so unpleasant because unfortunately I think that miserable atmosphere translates into the show. Especially due to the smaller number of jokes, season 5 ends up feeling depressing and uncomfortable in a way that the show had avoided up until that point purely by being so ridiculously funny. Perhaps some people like it more for its more dramatic tone but I think overall it's pretty underwhelming and not nearly as memorable as the show up until that point. The best episodes of the season are the ones in the middle (especially the last four of part 1) which pick up the pace somewhat, but I think the lukewarm reception season 4 got may have caused the showrunners to back away from that more maximalist, convoluted style and thusly create a story that doesn't live up to its full potential. (In my opinion)
I am so happy this is only 2 weeks old. Found on a random search for Arrested Development bloopers. Thank you Shyte Show
Now I want to rewatch the whole series
Such a good video. Really informative. I love this show and finished recently... Rest in peace, Jessica.
to be fair anyone who actually lives on the US Mexico border wishes they would have finished that wall. People entering the country being told to make it across where customs will pick them up and take them to tax payer funded housing while they churn through the system.
I thought Mexico was going to pay for it?
“Have you ever even been on a plane, you fuck?” IMO a crazy underrated quote of the newer episodes
The original edit of season 4 is my favorite of the series. At first, I was somewhat lukewarm on it; but my appreciation has grown with each rewatch. I've seen it three or four times now. I actually like the fact that Michael is no longer a sympathetic character in that season; that change allowed for new comedic opportunities.
It’s not my favorite overall but I really liked S4 after repeat viewings. I always love when lots of different plot threads intertwine
same here! i would still say i like season 2 a bit more, but s4's original cut is definitely a close second. it still gets a lot of laughs out of me and i actually really enjoy the format of each episode focusing on a different character while still tying into each other. it's definitely not perfect, but i think it worked really well as a 'where are they now' type season.
to quote the uncensored pilot - "fuck off traitor"...
George Michael punching Michael in the face really was a satisfying conclusion
I also enjoyed the reboot I found it just as funny as the original.
I loved season 4. I Absolutely loved it, and was genuinely shocked when other people started saying it wasn't good. I still have not watched season 5.
I also loved season 6 of Community, and still enjoyed the Office after Michael Scott moved away ....maybe I'm just simple, and easily amused?
You got it
I really like Community Season 6 too so you're not alone. Can't defend the other two though.
Or you're just more receptive to change than others.
@@listrahtes I don't put any thought into comedy. I'm far more critical of literally every other genre. With comedy, whether it's a movie, a series, or a stand-up special, it only has to make me laugh. I watch it ...I laugh ...it's good.
I'm rewatching Arrested Development right now!
Never saw the show when it originally came out and just spend the last couple of weeks binge watching all 5 seasons. I’m really glad I watched this video because it explains all of the questions I had when watching seasons 4-5. I know there’s been a decline in quality of a show when I start feeling like I’m forcing myself to watch it and I’m not enjoying it.
This show was ahead of its time, and I think too smart for most people at the time. I think it's possibly the best sitcom ever made. Can't count how many times I've watched the entire series.
Season 4 is an absolute masterpiece.
Though I really enjoy this show, they shouldve never done their later episodes so many years later. I get they wanted to strike when the cult status was hot, but every show or movie that does that, never lives up to their previous work. Dumb and Dumber 2 and the Breaking Bad movie are great examples of this issue. Its so hard to take everything seriously when characters look drastically different. Its very distracting.
Thought I had binged watched the entire series in 2019. Don't think I will ever try to watch part 2 of season 5
Great videos.
This show is so funny, just seeing the random clips is hilarious.
I discovered arrested watching your first video, watched all the first three seasons and ran to see the final two seasons just to watch this with a full understanding of it. (And not to get some spoilers).
Anyway, it's a shame what ended up happening to the show. thank you so much for this video i enjoy so much this channel.
I actually really enjoyed Season 4. Could've done with a better director, but the way they managed to make it happen despite scheduling and how the episodes fit into the larger puzzle was pretty awesome. It's still a very strong season in my mind imo.
Great pair of videos. I loved this show while it was airing but I don't think I even knew there was a second Netflix season.
Great video.
I didn't even know there was a 5th season.
As seasons 1-3 this video was really well written man good job
It's so true!! We couldn't get enough of it! So excellent!
Amazing documentary! For the most amazing show ever 🖤🖤
this is an amazing tribute to the show, great work!
I loved that season, and hated how they re-edited and re-released in "sequential order."
I really hated the Netflix reboot because it was too damn confusing. Major headache.
I'm not there to piece together all of the jigsaw puzzles and enjoy the voila moments.
The original is simple, direct and one can watch it episode after episode. Straightforward.
This upload made my day!
1:36 I’m pretty sure that’s why they brought Futurama back from the dead like 3 times.
I found ArrDev Season 4 very successful...definitely hard to digest at first but the way it came together was so brilliant and rewarding.
12:07 - Well Obviously this blue part is land🤣🤣🤣
Wow, youtube listed part 1 in my explore page and i got sucked in. These two videos were really great!
Glad you found us!
Amazing video. I learned so much. Would love to see your take on Community.
Man I feel really stupid for believing the rumors about Michael Cera. Glad it was a joke!
Never heard anything about all this controversy surrounding Tambor ever. Surprising.
When I watched the first episode of the new Arrested Development my exact thought was they've made a huge mistake
love your content! these videos are a real treat for fans of the show
Awesome! Glad you like them!
yo these videos are good. thanks for making them.
Thank you very much for this.
I have no words to express my appreciation for this production.
crazy this is only 400k views. great channel.