The Spirit Of Audacity Lives On
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2021
- Several months ago, the very popular free and open source audio editor Audacity was purchased by a company and begin making some very questionable decisions, such as adding telemetry and adding age restrictions to the software. This caused the FOSS community to essentially abandon Audacity, but several forks sprang up, including Tenacity...
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Audacium has an AppImage and Tenacity has a Flatpak, for those that don't wanna compile it from source.
flatpak is so great
AppImage > Flatpak (auto update malware/paywall distributer)
@@Nurse_Xochitl yes, they have nonfree software but I still think that flatpaks are much better than snaps, no?
@@Nurse_Xochitl I prefer Flatpak
@@lettuce7378 .dmg is better than snaps lol
Finally, no more Audacity's opt-in telemetry, I'm free now...
*boots up Deepin*
yep
After using Audacity for (wow, holy crap) about 20 years, this is so bittersweet. But thanks for finding the top forks and doing a thorough test-run! Next time I went to install Audacity, guaranteed I was gonna be like "oh yeah, damn it. what now?"
From what I've seen and read, Audacity added automatic update check and updated their terms to 2021 requirements. IMO, not a big deal, still the same program and people who made it. On top of that the new 3.1 update add alot of Quality of life updates that might be work a look.
I've been wanting to leave Audacity but I never really found an alternative FOSS. Will give these a try.
They're forks so it's same not really an alternative
@@Zephyrus0 true, but at least there's no telemetry.
@@StrikerEureka85 indeed, but I don't consider them as alternative, they're more akin to a replacement.
Audacity is FOSS, what exactly do you mean?
@@TiagoJoaoSilva read it again pal. He said he was looking another FOSS software to replace the FOSS Audacity
I like how this doubled as a little audio editing tutorial lol
I still wish they would include the list of Effects in the UI. I always find it annoying having to go back and forth in the top drop-down menu
I've never understood how such a project can be sold. Sold by whom? It was my impression back when this was in the news that the telemetry was removed along with the age restriction which was apparently a mistake of some sort by a lawyer adding boilerplate. The Muse guy in some videos back then expressed excitement about joining Audacity to improve the UI but made no mention of a takeover, at which point I figured that an article would soon appear somewhere and clarify what's going on but I haven't seen one. I can't make any sense of this situation even all these months later.
I suggest looking up Michael Turnel (Tux Digital)‘a coverage on this topic. The Audacity project is pretty much alive and operating in the spirit of the Free Software and Open Source community. This is why forks like the ones shown here can continue to incorporate new features developed by the Audacity project.
iirc Tantacrul did mention about Audacity getting bought by Musegroup, but on his video about this subject, he decided to put more emphasis on the program's origins and stuff like that, rather than how the ownership transaction would work. He had already started working for Musegroup since he became the lead designer of Musescore.
@@Cuperino basically you're saying the exact opposite of what DT is saying. Then why are people forking it?
@@rawmaterials3909 DT is using his own definition for open source and free software that isn't that of the Open Source Initiative nor the Free Software Foundation's.
People forked Audacity not because it's no longer in the spirit of open source but because Muse Group were making unilateral decisions that the community didn't agree to. Among those decisions was the addition of invasive telemetry using libraries from Google. That has since been removed and replaced with their own custom made telemetry solution that is more focused on project needs and nowhere nearly as invasive.
Other people forked because of a proposed license change from GPL 2 to GPL 3. This change would enable using GPL 3 libraries in to develop more functionality. Others contributors just didn't agree with the new Contributor's License Agreement, which gives right to publish versions of the software under other licenses. Thus enabling the possibility to distribute Audacity in software stores that forbid GPL software, such as Apple's AppStore.
This last thing could be argued not to be in the spirit of open source, but using telemetry is not against the spirit.
@@Cuperino Free and open source is not only and strictly related to source code availability.
Sure, as you say telemetry is not directly related to open/closed source debate, but I think DT uses a broader perspective that involves something IT people still lack a lot: ethics.
And yes, it's true that he doesn't align with the FSF conduct... but I don't see this as a flaw or a demerit. Actually, just the opposite.
Found interesting differences from the AUR -git packages:
1. Audacium:
- in conflict with package audacity and gives executable audacity
- a gtk2 application
2. Tenacity:
- does not conflict with audacity package and gives executable tenacity
- a gtk3 application
The functionality of both apps should be the same, but these technical differences may play a role in deciding which one to keep too.
"BALD BY CHOICE"
I purposely went a couple of days without shaving before wearing this shirt. So that it's clear...DT IS NOT BALD! ;)
@@DistroTube 👀 definitely not drawn in with a sharpie.
@@DistroTube Yes for sure 😊
You came to save my day! I was searching for a good audio editor and here you come. Thanks DT
Ditto
Huh, didn't know about what happened to Audacity and was confused on why Audacity was old on the repos. Now I know why and I am building Audacium.
I figured I would watch this as I'm cloning my lightweight Windows 11 to a new SSD :)
Ah, good ole lightweight Windows. It's the anti-bloat operating system. ;)
@@DistroTube *smiles in Debian XFCE
To celebrate the release of Windows 11 I've switched my work horse to Ubuntu
@@DistroTubeI wouldn't say anti bloat but between this and Gnome 😁
I've used both these two forks.
Audacium's themes are amazing. It even has a nice Pro Tools like theme.
They should include the Audacity Audio theme that looks amazing
Muse Group really fucked up Audacity's reputation, but most of the things that pissed off the user base are now either reverted (like the 13+ years old age restriction) or is actually useful (the telemetry about usage and mostly crashes iirc).
I was about to jump ship and abandon Audacity when I spend a whole afternoon reading about what actually was added. It's sad to see such a terrible P.R. behavior, but aside from that the program is far from ruined.
The good part of it being open source is that the Audacity code will tell exactly what info it sends so that whole telemetry part was not actually harmful.
And even then, the telemetry was entirely opt-in, which is widely regarded as the most ethical and user-respecting way to implement telemetry.
@@InventorZahran WAS opt in.
Thanks Derek for making this video!
Nice content as usual 😊
I hope there will be a Ardour tutorial as well. Also i am curious about your sound system. Which soundcard do you use? Also what equips do you have else?
Not sure if he needs a full blown DAW like Ardour. It's kind of overkill for what he does, unless he's going to do his show with him and a band playing a song in the middle somewhere! (
I don't care that much about the age issue as long as Audacity continues to be developed under an Open Source license. If Windows or macOS were such that would a game changer.
The age seemed to be a mistake and they do are and will continue to be open source. Check out the 3.1 update, it makes huge quality of life improvements.
Hey DT :)
What's wrong with Ardour? Can it serve as a viable replacement?
Great video!
But who needs updated Audacity???
Great job, ty!
Off-topic but I love that wallpaper photo! Is that a waterfall in Iceland?
Looks ok. I'm not a very experienced Linux user so it would have been nice to see how you install those programs.
Thanks for the trick with Noise Reduction! That's very helpful for me. I have a Primus album that was poorly mastered and has a lot of noise floor hiss in it. I'm using this to fix all the songs now.
Primus sucks!!!! :)
5:06 Oh, I think I know now why TH-camrs wear headphones lol.
It was no problem installing Audacium. Thanks.
I'm just glad I held on to an old version, witch I still use.
This situation has alot of option and emotion in it. TLDR, audacity has only added a disable-able auto update checker. They are still open source and you can see they care in update 3.1 with huge quality of life improvements.
Hey DT, thanks again. I am used to use other audion editing, in particular cubase, WINE recently dropped support for JACK. Do you have any idea what to do? afaik only alsa und PA are supported :(
Give Ardour a chance :) or check if Cubase/WINE could work with pipewire and, if so, how to get it done. I once heard that Ardour was somewhat inspired by Cubase, actually, but I'm not sure about how accurate is this info
@@adeniranbalthazar5700 nope pipewire does not work with wine :/
@@marcello4258 oh no :/ hoping it's just a matter of time, though
@@adeniranbalthazar5700 we will see at this time with a current wine version it is not possible to use any DAW :/ so back to the VM
Hey DT! I've been using Audacium and Tenacity ever since you made this video. However, it appears these projects have died. Is there another audio editing program you recommend?
Tenacity’s development has just restarted, and the Audacium project is merging into Tenacity!
Good news! Audacium is being merged into Tenacity! Common goals and efforts in a single fork!
Are these for Windows as well? just answered my own question
Hey Dt , are you gonna play 0AD soon ?
Excellent video.
What is a good open source cross platform alternative to Adobe Audition? Also which is better: Tenacity or Audacium? i downloaded audacium and tenacity but I'll probably use audacium more because it has more theme color choices. You can't run Audacium and Tenacity at the same time, You'll get an error saying that the programs are already running. Is there a difference between the two besides the themes?
Audacity
You're not bald Derek.. you're slackin' ;)
is there any trustworthy COPR of Tenacity for fedora users?
Hey DT! Can you make a video on customising IceWM
Well, if we saw any development, we could embrace any of these projects. I think the name is the problem here, people don't know what to search for. The Audacity was pretty stable at the moment of taking over so there's not much to work in forks. But new features would be great. I look forward to seeing some development, if the teams need some ideas, we all content creators would gladly help! I can't code, but I know what I wish in audio editing.
If you want to help you should make issues on there
Unfortunately, the whole point of the video falls short because Audacity has neither telemetry nor age restriction. You can look that up. They abandoned telemetry plans back in May, they revised privacy policy in July. All you get is an update checker which is a standard feature these days and can be easily disabled, and a crash reporter which you don't even have to use.
You are also looking at collective number of contributors for both Audacity and Audacium/Tenacity, because, you know, that's how git forks work: people who did the work before the fork also get the credit. Like, as a former Audacity contributor, I'm right there in the list of Tenacity contributors although I never contributed to Tenacity directly :)
Does this short mean that DT is finally accepting that he is bald?
Compilation is all about the CPU tho, really hoping one of these projects will drop a bin soon, took me an hour to compile tenacity and I dread the day I'll need to update.
new camera? doesn't look quite at clear as usual, fyi. thanks for your great content btw
What about the sneedacity fork?
i will wait for full tenacium release
Is that the shirt zaney made for you? If so, Nice!
Not exactly. But it certainly was inspired by his design.
thank you but in the future it be great to have free audio samples daw so we can have fun to mix tracks
Have been looking for alternative too
Hi I 'm new on Linux after viewing yo video I try to download Tenacity with out lock I can't find it how I can download and installed I'm using Linux Mint.
I thought I would start using audor after I heard about this, but after trying audor I missed the easiness. It would be cool if audor was more intuitive to get started with; it needs a simple mode upfront where you can evolve into its more advanced feature upon needing them.
You should add some reverb for all your videos becauz it will make your office seem bigger by adding space.
Great 😃
Thank you. In yay, it's audacium-git.
In pacman too, because the package manager you use doesn't name the packages, and has no say about it. It's adacium-git on all of them.
@@Bob-of-Zoid But this package isn't in the main Arch repository. It is, however, in the AUR.
Pacman installs packages from the main repository and locally stored packages in your own computer. A good example of the latter would be the driver for my printer, downloaded from Canon as a deb package in a tarball and converted to an arch package with debtap.
The easiest way to install from the AUR is with Yay.
many of those old apps we used to use suffer from old UI, visually and functionally.
i'm probably not going to continue using audacity or any of the forks, unless there is actual development going on, not just some dusting.
Love the t-shirt DeeeTeee
Is this available on Ubuntu?
On non-rolling distros, it will probably be a year or two before you see either Tenacity or Audacium in their repos. But the good news is that their version of Audacity in the repos will also be a year or two old (so prior to the telemetry). If you want to try them out though, you'd have to compile them.
@@DistroTube thank you
@Nathan Sample Yeah, I've been having problems with my comments not going through. IDK what's up with YT. I see only one comment of yours.
@Nathan Sample Compiled and signed by them?
Hey, DT, did you use to be an auctioneer?
No, but it's always been a dream of mine.
Of all the things that they could've restricted, age is just weird
My problem with Audacity is that it freezes up randomly when I use the keyboard for exporting, saving, etc. The problem has simply become untenable. And, yes I have uninstalled/reinstalled several times.
SNEEEEEEEEEEED
SNEEDACITY
Nice t-shirt
Dammit, another one bites the dust
How do you find an install file for windows? What has happened to the world. Seriously, I am an engineer and first I cannot believe that all these open source programs are selling out and second, how in hell can anyone find anything from github? They spend all that time writing software and yet put no effort in making it easy to find what they created. Thanks
>not sneedacity
i can't sneed
"Bald by choice" 😂
Why was Audacity sold to Muse?
Can we expect a BBC, bald by choice rap to drop @DT? lol
What about sneedacity?
Nice shirt BTW
Buy outs always mess up great software
ICQ bought by AOL
Skype bought by Microshaft
And prob many others
It sucks, as Audacity was a replacement for Adobe audition which was overpriced and became cloud based.
You are commenting on the once great TH-cam, but that was before Google bough it and F'd it up royally!
@@Bob-of-Zoid True 👍
ocenaudio... fits me
great, more forks
Update: Audacity is merged with Tenacity.
DWM?
Would use these but unfortunately the High Quality stretching for tempo and pitch changes aren’t in both. Won’t use till they are a feature.
How is it even possible to "buy" and "take over" a free & open-source project, without asking all the code contributors and users for permission first?
And how can we make sure that such things won't happen in the future with other free & open source projects?
trademark reasons
@@_DT_ potatos
Non-commercial licenses. GPL is not a non-commercial license.
WHOA WAIT WHAT
wow
nice to see they stuck a fork in that nonsense
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Thanks, I didn't know audacity had turned to evil!
They made some updates that were not communicated well and have since clarified and updated. They are still open source and have a new 3.1 update that add huge quality of life updates.
lol that t-shirt
I tried to install Audacium on my Windows machine and could find the installation file after the install
I haven’t had any issues with audacity tbh
2030 be like, vlc is nasty, let's use Fiber Video and Dark VLC instead.
sneedacity =)
no sneedacity??? all forks will die out eventually, its best to find a new program
You forgot Sneedacity
Abandoned project
You mean the "meme" fork of Audacity? No one took that thing seriously. It was abandoned practically as soon as it started. "Meme" software never lasts long....except Gentoo...that meme will never die.
The world forgot Sneedacity and you should too.
sudo pacman -S dts-shirt
Whyyy 😭
Audacity is still open source, free, and being updated. The telemetry is just and automatic update checker. Check you update 3.1, they are making huge quality of life improvements.
So Ubuntu have 3.0.5 version as snap and Free as licence (GPL2+) and older 2.3.3-1build1 as Proprietary... weird. 🤔
These folk should unify their efforts. Problem will be naming the project lol. Prolly Tenacium? Lol
what about sneedacity
abandon project
Can we have a salute for Audacity's passing? O7
Without a clear roadmap for future development, I don't think any Audacity fork is really going to take off. Just ripping out the telemetry and making minor changes to the UI isn't enough. Lots of people will be just fine with using Audacity despite the telemetry or they'll stick with the old version. Unfortunately, it's hard to bring something new to the table with such a mature product that already does 99% of what people want.
Well, now that Muse (the company that owns Audacity) basically told their lead developers that they will no longer have rights to their own code anymore, some just may jump ship and join a fork. On the other hand though I think Muse is a actual company that pays their employees, so they may just stay to feed their families, it all depends on the details I guess. Also, they haven't been at this but a few months, and may need some time to get their shit together. Let's hope they elect a few leaders, just so they can have some direction and it isn't total anarchy.
@@Bob-of-Zoid "Well, now that Muse basically told their lead developers that they will no longer have rights to their own code anymore" - you might want reading the CLA again. As per agreement, developers and conributors grant Muse Group _non-exclusive_ rights to the source code. Audacity is still GPLv2 software.
I think there was a miscommunication of what Muse group was doing and the community was surprised. It seems like they have reversed all of the initial disagreements and are starting the huge refresh. Check out version 3.1 which added big quality of life improvements.
They should merge and rename themselves Audacity
sneedacity mogs both of them
Sneedacity also
So just use an older version, problem solved.
I'm just gonna stick with Audacity. trying to download these programs is effing rarted
What a beautiful boomer t-shirt
Don't forget Sneedacity
Tenacity is dead.
Telemetry does not go against free and open source ideology. Audacity is still an open source project. As much as I hate telemetry, you're just spreading false information.