My Question to You is, Both Michael and Vito had the chance even though extremely difficult, could have turned things around and got back onto the straight path. Do you think it would have been possible, therefore they are to blame for the consequences they faced? Or do you think both really had no choice? 🤔
Grammatically, it’s difficult to understand the question(s) being asked. But I think you’re asking if we think they are to blame for their own consequences. Did they have a choice? Yes, of course they did. Though, Michael could easily have become the “pezzonovante” (“big shot”) he seemed to later despise. Vito “never wanted this for” Michael. He wanted Michael to be “Senator Corleone” as he told him. And being that he was a war hero, Michael could have been just that. But, in essence, Michael chose his family, his “Family” and La Cosa Nostra over his country and any other such ambitions.
Vito really had no choice.You see how he was working for Genco’s father for a time and then Fanucci basically took that job away from him.Barely literate poor immigrant from Italy in the 1920s,what else was he going to do.Come to think of it Michael had no choice in becoming Don either.With sonny dead and Fredo incompetent,Michael had to take charge.
A man who doesn’t spend time with his family can never be a real man… that’s the one lesson Michael never seemed to have learned from Vito and eventually that mistake lead to betrayal from his family; Kay and Fredo.I wish you had included them impact Kay’s betrayal had on his person.
Michael escape to sciliy was like pilgrimage. He got to understand his fathers roots and the course of life his father took. Long before in Sicily, the word mafia meant a place of refuge, for those who were mistreated by authority kings, barons, lords. It was where they could get their justice and retribution. As time goes by power corrupts, the mafia started to eat Its own people, every man for himself, it became a tool of authority. He wanted to do was make the corleon family legitimate. He shared his fathers dreams that the children and grandchildren would one day become doctors, proffessors, senators, presidents like etc. He wanted the Children to live a normal life. True to that, he accomplished his dreams coz none Of them entered the family business
In the book Michael first realises the mafia ruined Sicily and will ruin America too if Vito's business continues but the murders of Appollonia and Sonny break him.
I always liked how the transformation was subtle you see how Michael was in the beginning he didn't want anything to do with the family business but it's established that he loves his father and his family so you knew when Vito was shot as Sonny was murdered you knew he was gonna step into the role as the don
I think his transformation happened when he realized he needed to kill Sollozzo. There's no turning back if he does that and he knew that. He married in Sicily because he knew the old Michael was dead, that's why Kay no longer factored into his plans. He always planned on coming back, he specifically asked Sonny how long it would take. Sonny also told him that Sonny would explain to their mom that Michael couldn't say goodbye before he left. Not that he couldn't say goodbye for good, just goodbye until he can come back. Certainly Sonny and Apollonia being killed made him want revenge but he revenge isn't why he came back.
I love that part of the film, when he starts talking to Tom about killing a crooked cop, a cop that got caught up in the rackets. You can see him coming out. 💪
I think when the cop punched him and broke his face he is when he turned! When those guys were showing up to kill his father. He see s that a cop is in on killing his dad. So he sees govt isnt what he thought. Here s a cop thats taking money to kill his dad. Why is cop any better than his dad. When he sees his dad in hospital he tells him “im with you now”! I thought that was where he turned
@@Jim-Tuner i think it was equal! They both want to kill his dad! He said at some point when someone said it just business. He said its always personal. He def wanted them both. Mcclusky showed him how money corrupts at highest level! If cop is so crooked he d kill his own dad. Than screw it! Ill fight against it.
@@richardaguirre3914To narrow it down to a specific moment, I think his turning point was when he saw at the hospital that his father was unguarded. He knew right then his dad was being setup to be killed, that Sollozzo was behind it, and that this means his dad won't be safe until Sollozzo is dead. That's why outside when he first spoke to McCluskey he deliberately provoked him by asking him how much the Turk was paying him to set up his father. He had worked out the whole situation before the car with the killers even arrived. That's also why when the baker's assistant showed up Michael knew exactly how to use his presence there to maximum effect. When he was explaining his plan to kill them, that's him making his move, a move he had already decided on at the hospital before anyone else had showed up.
Had Don Vito not die too soon,Michael's way of running the Family might have had a different outcome.What I mean is that he could have been more loved than feared.
I think one of the reasons this series is so timeless is because it has so many Shakespearean elements to it. Certainly, this is not set in a medieval setting, but it doesn't matter, the writing quality is the same.
I agree with you. I truly believe that Apollonia was Michael's true love, not Kay. Her death was when his heart died. But there are parts of him where he's not truly evil, in my mind.
@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 I agree she was his true love. But Michael became the villain the moment he thought of the plan to kill The Turk and the police captain. Which was somewhere between him getting his jaw broken and telling his brothers of his plan. I'm not saying he turned evil for thinking of the plan. He is evil because it came to fruition, and HE wanted to kill them. Michael wasn't the only civilian that could've went . Hagen could've done it. He would have . Apolloniag's assassination only cemented thoughts and feelings he'd already been having. He is his fathers son. And his father became a killer the day the woman he loved the most in the world at that time, his mother was killed saving his life. Much like Michael's was. His was more luck than his father's, but both lived because of a woman's decision. Those 2 womens death can be seen as the main reason for Vito and Michael's fall to the dark side.
The final shot in Godfather II of Michael’s deep contemplation as he sits outside is a jarring, yet powerful image. The franchise simply could’ve ended here without III.
The situation with Fredo's treason towards Michael reminds me of the dilemma Queen Elizabeth I faced with her cousin, Mary Queen of Scotts' alliance with Spain to have Elizabeth assassinated in order to assume the throne and restore England to Catholisism. Elizabeth struggled with the decision to execute Mary, and put it off for many years in spite of the overwhelming evidence of her betrayal, but finally realized the her throne would never be safe as long as Mary lived. Cousins aren't quite the same as brothers, but the crisis of conscience is similar. Both Michael's character and the real-life Queen struggled with the moral questions, and their choices haunted them for the rest of their lives.
@@poindexterflex3528 I m not angry with Michael, i can understand him. For me he is a hero who just wanted to protect his family. I fully agree with him that killing Barzini, Tattaglia, Sollozzo, McCluskey, Tessio and Carlo was right. I m really don t Sure that i could kill Fredo if i was in his Position.
@@poindexterflex3528 he chose to get involved and never stopped, he lost his way. Being a victim of hard circumstances doesn't erase his responsibility
@@akasakikawasaki1890 He 'chose' to do what he had to do to save his father's life. He didn't chose for his wife and brother to be murdered. He chose to continue to protect his family when it became clear there was no other successor that could keep his family safe and his family business secure.
The punch in the face injury was kept very visible for a long time in the film, I think this was the physical manifestation of the mental changes the director was trying to show the audience, one side as was "good" and one side "ugly" from that point.
I would put the exact moment of the transformation at when police captain mccluskey broke his jaw. He went from wanting to protect people to wanting personal revenge.
I always felt that what inspired the Mafia was the government and politics. In Godfather 3 Micheal says that line in Italy. "Politics and the Mafia is the samething." They copied 1 president which is the Dons, the Vice-President which was the Under Boss, they had the Military which was the Shooters, the Generals of the Military which were the Capos, the Soldiers which are the Soldiers that push the buttons, the Secretary Of Treasury which were their earners of money $$$, their Lawyers which could be their Lawyers or Consigliere. Tom Hagen when he talked to Frank Pantengeli in jail in Godfather 2 said that they got the ideas of how to form the Mafia after him. He had a love for politics and incorporated it in the families. They also got ideas from the bible. When they do meetings and such. Also when they make people they do like a Catholic ceremony to make a man.
Well, as was said in the Dark Knight--you die a hero, or you live long enough to become a villain. Or in Spider-Man--absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Fredo almost got Michael, Kay and their children murdered because he wanted to feel important. He looked his brother in the eyes after that without speaking a word to him about what took place of who orchestrated the hit. Why exactly did he need another chance?
What also didn't help Michael was Vito's death. If Vito lived longer, he would've had more time to teach Michael the more moral aspects of being a Don, then Michael would've had better understanding when to use a firm hand and when to use a soft one.
Exactly, i don't think Tony was an anti hero too. I never wanted to take his side during the movie. Whereas Michael in the godfather was the definition of anti-hero
Tbf, Tony Montana sacrificed himself to save two kids in a car. He came good once he realised his purpose had to be more than his own personal greed, his rise to power was not for anyone else while he had a beautiful, fake wife. Michael started out doing it for his family in which his pride for the family business took over his love for anyone else.
he didn’t have to kill Tessio and Fredo, he chose to do that because he was incapable of forgiveness. Which is hypocritical because he always wanted redemption and for everyone else to forgive him. Fredos betrayal was one of stupidity and not likely to be repeated. Tessio’s betrayal made zero sense. He was an old man that helped build the Corleone organization and he threw away all those years of loyalty and history away to go with someone he “barely” knew? Just to sell drugs? Granted we can assume he knew Barzini for decades but the movie didn’t show he had much interaction with Barzini and he knew Barzini wasn’t loyal at all. Of course you can argue the what if scenario all day and night. But neither plot worked and most likely both parties wouldn't betray again.
I always thought Michael was a tragic hero. He wanted to do good, to become legitimate but the next level up was more corrupt than the last. Where it ultimately became a tragedy was when his lifestyle got his daughter killed. Supposedly, it was all for his children and Mary was killed while someone was trying to assassinate Michael.
Yea Sonny and Apollonia’s death happened back to back. That’s enough to drive any man mad especially a man in the position he was in. All he had to do was make a decision to join his father and that would give him the power he needed to protect his family. He became obsessed with protecting his family by any means necessary and began to understand going into the Underworld was a necessary evil unknowingly losing his family in the process.
If Apollonia had not been killed, and had came back to America with Michael, i think his marriage would've been so much better. She seen 1st hand how terrible the mafia can be. And would've understood why Michael had to do the things he did so much better than Kay. Apollonia was used to the men having to deal with vendettas and bad blood, amongst other things in that life. She would've probably been a lot more supportive to her husband than Kay because she had been raised in that environment. Whereas Kay was born and raised in America and naively assumed that only outlaws do things that are illegal.
Michael wanted everyone to go along. The problem is not everyone wants go along. And as long as he associates with illegitimate businessmen, he can’t use the legal systems. This is why beating Hyman Roth was so hard. The man was very legitimate in things that mattered
First he wanted stable, non risky and normal life,and he thought he would marry Kay and Act like simp prince harry. But attack on Father vito corleone changed how he looked at the world, After killing sollozzo,he was no simp, his desire to spend romantic life with Kay became unfulfilled,So he wanted a Submissive,feminine,not nagging, girl to sharpen his masculinity.But death of Apolonia made him that desire unfulfilled.After Sonny death,he thought he will be alone and he has to deal the world alone.His desire to dinner with sonny every night became unfulfilled.His sister was also idiot type,so he believed on Fredo and Kay.But giving many chance,Fredo cheated and fredo had so much envy thoughts against him,his heart broked.He thought he was doing only the family, and family members are having hatred after Sister brother, he went to Kay to Heal his soul but she was nagging type, she wanted to act like Meghan Merkle. He was never happy He never enjoyed his life He should have not killed Fredo,should placed him in kidnap mode where only he can meet He should have found another girl in Sicily or other village Sonny should have taken his advice Kay would have understand the needs of him, Bcz she was his last hope Sonny should not have interrupted while Vito corleone was talking with Sollozzo which led to attack on vito, then Michael have no options but to kill sollozzo. He should have left Sicily early or would have kept Appoolinia in secret place Michael sister would have made his family strong Sonny and fredo had known his weakness and improved them, then Michael would have been happy
During the post WWII era (golden age of America), many Americans saw the US government as good and just -- especially the women and children. They were naive. What eventually changed our perspective by and large were the following: endless war of the Vietnam war; the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X, and the corruption of Nixon. "Women and children can be careless but not men."
Michael Corleone was not remotely evil. - He never wanted in the business. His father's life was in danger and he stepped up. - He would have been fine staying in Sicily. He found Apollonia and attained real happiness; far greater than what Kay could have provided. He was hit by the thunderbolt. His brother was murdered, then the love of his life. He then did what he had to try and protect as many people as possible. The heads of the Five Families (movie wise) had to be neutralized. Moe Greene had to be taken out so that he could complete the move to Vegas. We don't know what else he did during the years that passed but we can assume that he kept working towards his goal of legitimacy. - His own brother betrays him. His own brother who couldn't see what Michael did for him but only saw what he wasn't allowed (capable of) to do. Michael made the hard decisions that tore his soul apart but, by and large, kept his family whole. And he lost nearly everything for himself along the way. That's not evil.
jeez....so much displacement for Michael's behaviors... ●Michael never needed to go to Sicily...it was a place of refuge, but not one to shape a person. Vito grew mostly in America, with a traditional culture but not fully bound to it...its what made Vito a well respected don, but a good person. Something Michael obviously couldnt bring back after his stay in sicily, because it's not a trait taught over there. ●several of Michael's sinister actions are against other families in self defense... ●but as the case with Fredo, betrayal or not...he was family. Michael and his negligence to spend time with Fredo, Kay, and his children is what causes their feelings of isolation and animosity. I get he is distraught over losing apollonia, but he has no excuse to ignore the family he DOES have. Killing Fredo destroyed the distinction between family and business...something evil onit's own, and something Vito worked to maintain to keep his innocent loved ones safe. ● your final point could not be further firm the truth...the tragedy after the first two films is how, by and large... *split* his family had become, with everyone in the flashback dead or isolated...and the final shots of Michael being alone.
The sick thing is that mafiosi, like all gangsters, do not consider themselves villains. They consider themselves involved in a literally cutthroat requiring occasional extreme actions. They think the legitimate world is hypocritical and no less vicious as theirs. Just not as open and honest about it. They are not stupid. They are evil, lack self- control, and put no brakes on their appetites.
yes he is....a lot of evil actions were done in self defense.... but ordering the death of his brother, that's his entrance to being truly evil...because at that point, there is no longer a distinction between family and business.
Apollonia didn't deserve what happened to her. And Michael knew it. That's why it had such a profound affect on him. I think he death is what pushed him to do the things he did. Personally, i don't blame him. I'd go to the ends of the earth to avenge the death of an innocent loved one, especially my new bride that had nothing to do with any crimes i had committed in my life.
People confused Vigilantes & Champions with hero villain has negative morality while Vigilante has positive reality while a hero Can I have either or neither but extraordinary people will accomplish store and extraordinary while champions ordinary people who have accomplish extraordinary things so Michael was always the hero while Fredo was trying 2 be the Champion
The video comparing Michael's control/relationship with his siblings with that if his father is a bit of bullshit to me. Vito was their father. It's hard for a sibling to have that same sort of influence over the others.
Micheal was a villain very early. He had no problem murdering two men in cold blood. Even Don Corleone said that is not Justice, your daughter is still alive.
I am a person who can never sympathise with mafia. But what Michael did back then was justified. No level of peace talks would make Sollozo not kill Vito. Also, there are no law to punish them. So Michael had to do it. His first kill was even more justified than that of Vito's first murder( of Fanucci)
Michael had no choice...he had to protect his father's life from the wily Turk...and later-wipe out all of the other families to settle a war that could have destroyed everything Vito had worked for. His love for his family was too great for his own good?
He had an inside view of the corruption in NY, for example buying cops, judges, politicians so had ne reason to believe in the world. Based on his educations in the Marines, college and when his father was shot. As he went along as the Don, he made the family legit. By the time GF III takes place he turned the family into multi-millionaires with good investments, real estate and legal gambling.
This is where coppolla made mistake! I think the godfather fans enjoyed seeing michael be bad guy! Its fun to root for a bad guy! Fans didnt want to see him turn good and repent in godfather 3. They wanted to see him get in a conflict with another family and be a bad ass trying to get out of it! The sopranos showed theres so many different stories can come up with. They made godfather under the old hollywood rules.
Coppolla didn't make a mistake. The reason Michael turned to the dark side was very blurred and genuine from his standpoint. His redemption was much more realistic than that of the likes of Loki and Shawn, in my opinion
Why do you think Michael was a villain? Everybody who he ever killed had it coming, even his own brother. Even his decision to kill his own brother was debatable.
@@Kingwithoutathrone but Fredo was still family. ●Michael understood Fredo meant no harm, he didn't know it would be a hit. He ultimately orders his death as a reaction to betrayal, rather than a liability. This is something even he acknowledges in Part 3 with a heavy heart. If that kind of move was accepted in that life, they didnt need to wait for their mother's death. ●That decision meant family and business had no distinction anymore. ●Michael's negligence to spend time with his family is what drives their feelings and behavior towards him...Fredo being left out, Kay and their children being isolated and generally ignored.
My Question to You is, Both Michael and Vito had the chance even though extremely difficult, could have turned things around and got back onto the straight path. Do you think it would have been possible, therefore they are to blame for the consequences they faced? Or do you think both really had no choice? 🤔
Not according to the 'Cosa Nostra' code - until death.
Grammatically, it’s difficult to understand the question(s) being asked. But I think you’re asking if we think they are to blame for their own consequences. Did they have a choice? Yes, of course they did. Though, Michael could easily have become the “pezzonovante” (“big shot”) he seemed to later despise. Vito “never wanted this for” Michael. He wanted Michael to be “Senator Corleone” as he told him. And being that he was a war hero, Michael could have been just that. But, in essence, Michael chose his family, his “Family” and La Cosa Nostra over his country and any other such ambitions.
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Michael had no choice. The whole family would've been killed.
Vito really had no choice.You see how he was working for Genco’s father for a time and then Fanucci basically took that job away from him.Barely literate poor immigrant from Italy in the 1920s,what else was he going to do.Come to think of it Michael had no choice in becoming Don either.With sonny dead and Fredo incompetent,Michael had to take charge.
Michael is the perfect example of the quote “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
Michael epitomized the quote, “either you die the hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
Totally agree! He's a tragic figure to me.
A man who doesn’t spend time with his family can never be a real man… that’s the one lesson Michael never seemed to have learned from Vito and eventually that mistake lead to betrayal from his family; Kay and Fredo.I wish you had included them impact Kay’s betrayal had on his person.
Michael escape to sciliy was like pilgrimage. He got to understand his fathers roots and the course of life his father took. Long before in Sicily, the word mafia meant a place of refuge, for those who were mistreated by authority kings, barons, lords. It was where they could get their justice and retribution. As time goes by power corrupts, the mafia started to eat Its own people, every man for himself, it became a tool of authority.
He wanted to do was make the corleon family legitimate. He shared his fathers dreams that the children and grandchildren would one day become doctors, proffessors, senators, presidents like etc. He wanted the Children to live a normal life. True to that, he accomplished his dreams coz none Of them entered the family business
In the book Michael first realises the mafia ruined Sicily and will ruin America too if Vito's business continues but the murders of Appollonia and Sonny break him.
But like any other revolutionary the mafia became more dangerous and corrupt than the regime it replaced. And far more ruthless.
I always liked how the transformation was subtle you see how Michael was in the beginning he didn't want anything to do with the family business but it's established that he loves his father and his family so you knew when Vito was shot as Sonny was murdered you knew he was gonna step into the role as the don
I think his transformation happened when he realized he needed to kill Sollozzo. There's no turning back if he does that and he knew that. He married in Sicily because he knew the old Michael was dead, that's why Kay no longer factored into his plans. He always planned on coming back, he specifically asked Sonny how long it would take. Sonny also told him that Sonny would explain to their mom that Michael couldn't say goodbye before he left. Not that he couldn't say goodbye for good, just goodbye until he can come back. Certainly Sonny and Apollonia being killed made him want revenge but he revenge isn't why he came back.
I love that part of the film, when he starts talking to Tom about killing a crooked cop, a cop that got caught up in the rackets. You can see him coming out. 💪
I think when the cop punched him and broke his face he is when he turned! When those guys were showing up to kill his father. He see s that a cop is in on killing his dad. So he sees govt isnt what he thought. Here s a cop thats taking money to kill his dad. Why is cop any better than his dad. When he sees his dad in hospital he tells him “im with you now”! I thought that was where he turned
I think he was actually more interested in killing mccluskey than he was in killing Soliozzo. And interested in it out of revenge.
@@Jim-Tuner i think it was equal! They both want to kill his dad! He said at some point when someone said it just business. He said its always personal. He def wanted them both. Mcclusky showed him how money corrupts at highest level! If cop is so crooked he d kill his own dad. Than screw it! Ill fight against it.
@@richardaguirre3914To narrow it down to a specific moment, I think his turning point was when he saw at the hospital that his father was unguarded. He knew right then his dad was being setup to be killed, that Sollozzo was behind it, and that this means his dad won't be safe until Sollozzo is dead. That's why outside when he first spoke to McCluskey he deliberately provoked him by asking him how much the Turk was paying him to set up his father. He had worked out the whole situation before the car with the killers even arrived. That's also why when the baker's assistant showed up Michael knew exactly how to use his presence there to maximum effect. When he was explaining his plan to kill them, that's him making his move, a move he had already decided on at the hospital before anyone else had showed up.
Had Don Vito not die too soon,Michael's way of running the Family might have had a different outcome.What I mean is that he could have been more loved than feared.
Well said.
I can't stop loving Michael Corleone
I think one of the reasons this series is so timeless is because it has so many Shakespearean elements to it. Certainly, this is not set in a medieval setting, but it doesn't matter, the writing quality is the same.
Well said.
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I think Apollonia getting killed is what really snapped Michael.
When they shot his dad and he was trying to keep him alive. And the killing of Sonny
I agree with you. I truly believe that Apollonia was Michael's true love, not Kay. Her death was when his heart died. But there are parts of him where he's not truly evil, in my mind.
Hero? Only in G.3.
Sonny too but you’re right mainly Apollonia
@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 I agree she was his true love. But Michael became the villain the moment he thought of the plan to kill The Turk and the police captain. Which was somewhere between him getting his jaw broken and telling his brothers of his plan. I'm not saying he turned evil for thinking of the plan. He is evil because it came to fruition, and HE wanted to kill them. Michael wasn't the only civilian that could've went . Hagen could've done it. He would have . Apolloniag's assassination only cemented thoughts and feelings he'd already been having. He is his fathers son. And his father became a killer the day the woman he loved the most in the world at that time, his mother was killed saving his life. Much like Michael's was. His was more luck than his father's, but both lived because of a woman's decision. Those 2 womens death can be seen as the main reason for Vito and Michael's fall to the dark side.
The final shot in Godfather II of Michael’s deep contemplation as he sits outside is a jarring, yet powerful image. The franchise simply could’ve ended here without III.
I fully agree.
That look by Neri said it all even he couldn't believe Michael just gave him the ok to kill Fredo
Well said.
He deserved it
Neri looked at him like really this ur brother but I will do it because of u Michael
I can't believe that the actor who played Neri was killed by a tour bus driver in real life and no charges were brought
Life made Michael an offer he couldn't refuse.
I love the contrast between Vito and Michael which was summed up in the final scene in Pt.2. Vito with his family and Michael all alone.
I always look forward to your videos! You never disappoint. 👍
The situation with Fredo's treason towards Michael reminds me of the dilemma Queen Elizabeth I faced with her cousin, Mary Queen of Scotts' alliance with Spain to have Elizabeth assassinated in order to assume the throne and restore England to Catholisism. Elizabeth struggled with the decision to execute Mary, and put it off for many years in spite of the overwhelming evidence of her betrayal, but finally realized the her throne would never be safe as long as Mary lived. Cousins aren't quite the same as brothers, but the crisis of conscience is similar. Both Michael's character and the real-life Queen struggled with the moral questions, and their choices haunted them for the rest of their lives.
Michael wasn’t a villain he’s more like a anti hero
Give me a break
More than that, he was the victim. He never wanted any of this.
@@poindexterflex3528 I m not angry with Michael, i can understand him. For me he is a hero who just wanted to protect his family. I fully agree with him that killing Barzini, Tattaglia, Sollozzo, McCluskey, Tessio and Carlo was right. I m really don t Sure that i could kill Fredo if i was in his Position.
@@poindexterflex3528 he chose to get involved and never stopped, he lost his way. Being a victim of hard circumstances doesn't erase his responsibility
@@akasakikawasaki1890 He 'chose' to do what he had to do to save his father's life. He didn't chose for his wife and brother to be murdered. He chose to continue to protect his family when it became clear there was no other successor that could keep his family safe and his family business secure.
Michael saw corruption when it came to government and law enforcement and he decided to protect his family at all cost. I can't fault him for that.
The punch in the face injury was kept very visible for a long time in the film, I think this was the physical manifestation of the mental changes the director was trying to show the audience, one side as was "good" and one side "ugly" from that point.
It’s time for some Godfather 3 videos. As much as people want it to not exist, it does. It’s also the one I understand the least.
Because the story makes the least sense.
I would put the exact moment of the transformation at when police captain mccluskey broke his jaw. He went from wanting to protect people to wanting personal revenge.
I always felt that what inspired the Mafia was the government and politics. In Godfather 3 Micheal says that line in Italy. "Politics and the Mafia is the samething." They copied 1 president which is the Dons, the Vice-President which was the Under Boss, they had the Military which was the Shooters, the Generals of the Military which were the Capos, the Soldiers which are the Soldiers that push the buttons, the Secretary Of Treasury which were their earners of money $$$, their Lawyers which could be their Lawyers or Consigliere. Tom Hagen when he talked to Frank Pantengeli in jail in Godfather 2 said that they got the ideas of how to form the Mafia after him. He had a love for politics and incorporated it in the families.
They also got ideas from the bible. When they do meetings and such. Also when they make people they do like a Catholic ceremony to make a man.
"We're both a part of the same hypocrisy." Best line in any movie, ever.
Never think it applies to my family
Love these videos.
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Brilliant analysis, thank you
11:32……I’ve always wondered what Al was thinking when he was given the order to kill Fredo.
"God help me, what happened to this guy?"
Well, as was said in the Dark Knight--you die a hero, or you live long enough to become a villain. Or in Spider-Man--absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I would say he became a criminal bc he didn't want to be the victim. Tommy Angelo's quote from Mafia really suits Michael in a way
I like your spot on analysis of this iconic character this is why I subscribed to your channel.
Fredo almost got Michael, Kay and their children murdered because he wanted to feel important. He looked his brother in the eyes after that without speaking a word to him about what took place of who orchestrated the hit. Why exactly did he need another chance?
What also didn't help Michael was Vito's death. If Vito lived longer, he would've had more time to teach Michael the more moral aspects of being a Don, then Michael would've had better understanding when to use a firm hand and when to use a soft one.
The mafia fruit does not fall too far from the tree
"The ends justify the means" is not unknown and is attributed to the same man mentioned in the video. Machiavelli. Really enjoy these videos.
"villain"? Not in my book. Now Tony Montana? THAT's a VILLAIN
Exactly, i don't think Tony was an anti hero too. I never wanted to take his side during the movie. Whereas Michael in the godfather was the definition of anti-hero
Tbf, Tony Montana sacrificed himself to save two kids in a car. He came good once he realised his purpose had to be more than his own personal greed, his rise to power was not for anyone else while he had a beautiful, fake wife. Michael started out doing it for his family in which his pride for the family business took over his love for anyone else.
You should Do a analysis video on joey zaza next and Vincent mancini
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Michael was not a villain...He was Chief of his tribe....
I like that.
where is the video that explains machiavelli's principle in the godfather? can someone give me the link?
Please what is the backround song?
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What If they made a mafia part 4. Michaels experience in war
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Micheal is the new Don after his father
he didn’t have to kill Tessio and Fredo, he chose to do that because he was incapable of forgiveness. Which is hypocritical because he always wanted redemption and for everyone else to forgive him.
Fredos betrayal was one of stupidity and not likely to be repeated.
Tessio’s betrayal made zero sense. He was an old man that helped build the Corleone organization and he threw away all those years of loyalty and history away to go with someone he “barely” knew? Just to sell drugs? Granted we can assume he knew Barzini for decades but the movie didn’t show he had much interaction with Barzini and he knew Barzini wasn’t loyal at all.
Of course you can argue the what if scenario all day and night. But neither plot worked and most likely both parties wouldn't betray again.
Actually for Fredo he is so stupid he WOULD try it again. Fredo over and over showed he doesnt learn and makes the same mistake again.
Make vídeos about the Cosa Nostra Please.
I always thought Michael was a tragic hero. He wanted to do good, to become legitimate but the next level up was more corrupt than the last. Where it ultimately became a tragedy was when his lifestyle got his daughter killed. Supposedly, it was all for his children and Mary was killed while someone was trying to assassinate Michael.
Thanks for the film bro!
link to part 1 anyone i cant find it
You don't get it, Michael never thought that his father's ways were outdated, he was just lying to Kate
It's Kay dumbass. And no, he wasn't lying to her.
His intentions to legitimize the business were real and honest
Yea Sonny and Apollonia’s death happened back to back. That’s enough to drive any man mad especially a man in the position he was in. All he had to do was make a decision to join his father and that would give him the power he needed to protect his family. He became obsessed with protecting his family by any means necessary and began to understand going into the Underworld was a necessary evil unknowingly losing his family in the process.
Why didn't the movie explain why Michael had been able to legally return to USA from Sicily?
The twist in the book was pretty clever.
If Apollonia had not been killed, and had came back to America with Michael, i think his marriage would've been so much better.
She seen 1st hand how terrible the mafia can be. And would've understood why Michael had to do the things he did so much better than Kay.
Apollonia was used to the men having to deal with vendettas and bad blood, amongst other things in that life.
She would've probably been a lot more supportive to her husband than Kay because she had been raised in that environment. Whereas Kay was born and raised in America and naively assumed that only outlaws do things that are illegal.
Michael wanted everyone to go along. The problem is not everyone wants go along.
And as long as he associates with illegitimate businessmen, he can’t use the legal systems.
This is why beating Hyman Roth was so hard.
The man was very legitimate in things that mattered
First he wanted stable, non risky and normal life,and he thought he would marry Kay and Act like simp prince harry. But attack on Father vito corleone changed how he looked at the world, After killing sollozzo,he was no simp, his desire to spend romantic life with Kay became unfulfilled,So he wanted a Submissive,feminine,not nagging, girl to sharpen his masculinity.But death of Apolonia made him that desire unfulfilled.After Sonny death,he thought he will be alone and he has to deal the world alone.His desire to dinner with sonny every night became unfulfilled.His sister was also idiot type,so he believed on Fredo and Kay.But giving many chance,Fredo cheated and fredo had so much envy thoughts against him,his heart broked.He thought he was doing only the family, and family members are having hatred after Sister brother, he went to Kay to Heal his soul but she was nagging type, she wanted to act like Meghan Merkle.
He was never happy
He never enjoyed his life
He should have not killed Fredo,should placed him in kidnap mode where only he can meet
He should have found another girl in Sicily or other village
Sonny should have taken his advice
Kay would have understand the needs of him, Bcz she was his last hope
Sonny should not have interrupted while Vito corleone was talking with Sollozzo which led to attack on vito, then Michael have no options but to kill sollozzo.
He should have left Sicily early or would have kept Appoolinia in secret place
Michael sister would have made his family strong
Sonny and fredo had known his weakness and improved them, then Michael would have been happy
When "the end justifies the means" Wrong or unfair methods may be used if the overall goal is good!
"senators and presidents dont have someone else killed" excuse me lady how the hell are you a teacher and actually believe that.
During the post WWII era (golden age of America), many Americans saw the US government as good and just -- especially the women and children. They were naive. What eventually changed our perspective by and large were the following: endless war of the Vietnam war; the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X, and the corruption of Nixon.
"Women and children can be careless but not men."
Michael Corleone was not remotely evil.
- He never wanted in the business. His father's life was in danger and he stepped up.
- He would have been fine staying in Sicily. He found Apollonia and attained real happiness; far greater than what Kay could have provided. He was hit by the thunderbolt. His brother was murdered, then the love of his life.
He then did what he had to try and protect as many people as possible. The heads of the Five Families (movie wise) had to be neutralized. Moe Greene had to be taken out so that he could complete the move to Vegas. We don't know what else he did during the years that passed but we can assume that he kept working towards his goal of legitimacy.
- His own brother betrays him. His own brother who couldn't see what Michael did for him but only saw what he wasn't allowed (capable of) to do.
Michael made the hard decisions that tore his soul apart but, by and large, kept his family whole. And he lost nearly everything for himself along the way. That's not evil.
jeez....so much displacement for Michael's behaviors...
●Michael never needed to go to Sicily...it was a place of refuge, but not one to shape a person. Vito grew mostly in America, with a traditional culture but not fully bound to it...its what made Vito a well respected don, but a good person. Something Michael obviously couldnt bring back after his stay in sicily, because it's not a trait taught over there.
●several of Michael's sinister actions are against other families in self defense...
●but as the case with Fredo, betrayal or not...he was family. Michael and his negligence to spend time with Fredo, Kay, and his children is what causes their feelings of isolation and animosity. I get he is distraught over losing apollonia, but he has no excuse to ignore the family he DOES have. Killing Fredo destroyed the distinction between family and business...something evil onit's own, and something Vito worked to maintain to keep his innocent loved ones safe.
● your final point could not be further firm the truth...the tragedy after the first two films is how, by and large... *split* his family had become, with everyone in the flashback dead or isolated...and the final shots of Michael being alone.
The sick thing is that mafiosi, like all gangsters, do not consider themselves villains. They consider themselves involved in a literally cutthroat requiring occasional extreme actions. They think the legitimate world is hypocritical and no less vicious as theirs. Just not as open and honest about it. They are not stupid. They are evil, lack self- control, and put no brakes on their appetites.
Michael had to take out Fredo…. in his world. But Michael wasn’t evil.
He was Simply a Man in a Powerful Position That Had to do what must be Done(💯).
yes he is....a lot of evil actions were done in self defense....
but ordering the death of his brother, that's his entrance to being truly evil...because at that point, there is no longer a distinction between family and business.
Apollonia didn't deserve what happened to her. And Michael knew it. That's why it had such a profound affect on him. I think he death is what pushed him to do the things he did.
Personally, i don't blame him. I'd go to the ends of the earth to avenge the death of an innocent loved one, especially my new bride that had nothing to do with any crimes i had committed in my life.
He did it for the family name and when he got too into it he did it for the power.
I'm baffled. Is the commentator deeming Michael as a hero when he was a civilian? And, a villain as a commission member?
Is there a movie of vito's rise to power?
Yeah…it’s called The Godfather Part 2
Power corrupts
People confused Vigilantes & Champions with hero villain has negative morality while Vigilante has positive reality while a hero Can I have either or neither but extraordinary people will accomplish store and extraordinary while champions ordinary people who have accomplish extraordinary things so Michael was always the hero while Fredo was trying 2 be the Champion
Put the music back and I will subscribe
The video comparing Michael's control/relationship with his siblings with that if his father is a bit of bullshit to me. Vito was their father. It's hard for a sibling to have that same sort of influence over the others.
You confuse the right thing to do what’s the moral thing to do
Micheal was a villain very early. He had no problem murdering two men in cold blood. Even Don Corleone said that is not Justice, your daughter is still alive.
I am a person who can never sympathise with mafia. But what Michael did back then was justified. No level of peace talks would make Sollozo not kill Vito. Also, there are no law to punish them. So Michael had to do it. His first kill was even more justified than that of Vito's first murder( of Fanucci)
It was strictly business.
Interesting how michael "loved" kay, yet he married and impregnated apolonia.had apolonia lived ? I wonder what wouldve became of kay
She would've been a side piece
Did you watch the movie? It's all laid out in the film. 😆😆😆
Yup,he was evil
Michael had no choice...he had to protect his father's life from the wily Turk...and later-wipe out all of the other families to settle a war that could have destroyed everything Vito had worked for. His love for his family was too great for his own good?
He didn't!!
VILLAIN not quite started out just trying to protwct his father
He wasn't a villain.*
He had an inside view of the corruption in NY, for example buying cops, judges, politicians so had ne reason to believe in the world. Based on his educations in the Marines, college and when his father was shot.
As he went along as the Don, he made the family legit. By the time GF III takes place he turned the family into multi-millionaires with good investments, real estate and legal gambling.
He was never the villain just a man doing what best for his family and business.
Fredo had to go
I don't care if he was villain or hero. From my point of view, Michael was a better Godfather than Vito Corleone.
He wasn't a Villain more of an anti hero
He was forced, i don’t belive he was a villain
This is where coppolla made mistake! I think the godfather fans enjoyed seeing michael be bad guy! Its fun to root for a bad guy! Fans didnt want to see him turn good and repent in godfather 3. They wanted to see him get in a conflict with another family and be a bad ass trying to get out of it! The sopranos showed theres so many different stories can come up with. They made godfather under the old hollywood rules.
Coppolla didn't make a mistake. The reason Michael turned to the dark side was very blurred and genuine from his standpoint. His redemption was much more realistic than that of the likes of Loki and Shawn, in my opinion
He wasn’t a villain….
Jesus said of himself I am no good. Non are, only my FATHER in Heaven. There is no Good or Evil of men... There is only Rightenous.
Had No Choice.Or he be Killed.Sure he could have been a great Lawyer.A Bussiness man.A Legit Casino Owner.And so on.
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He wasn't a villain, he's just a man who did what was necessary to protect his family and himself.
Why do you think Michael was a villain? Everybody who he ever killed had it coming, even his own brother. Even his decision to kill his own brother was debatable.
Michael had no choice but to kill Fredo. Fredo almost got him killed, doesn’t matter if it was unintentional of not. Michael still almost got killed
@@captainprice2671 yeah I agree, Fredo was simply a liability
@@Kingwithoutathrone but Fredo was still family. ●Michael understood Fredo meant no harm, he didn't know it would be a hit. He ultimately orders his death as a reaction to betrayal, rather than a liability. This is something even he acknowledges in Part 3 with a heavy heart. If that kind of move was accepted in that life, they didnt need to wait for their mother's death.
●That decision meant family and business had no distinction anymore.
●Michael's negligence to spend time with his family is what drives their feelings and behavior towards him...Fredo being left out, Kay and their children being isolated and generally ignored.
@@javieremoya He wouldn’t have been killed if Fredo had come clean to Michael instead of doing nothing