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"Muddy" Pickups? No problem! (...this is NOT the Treble Bleed mod...) 50's Wiring is KILLER!

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  • WORKING MUSICIAN'S TIP - "50's" / "VINTAGE" WIRING METHOD
    Do your pickups (especially the neck PUP) loose all the HIGH FREQUENCIES when rolling down the volume? Found this great solution a few years ago.
    "Step-by-Step" Vintage 50's wiring Video from BREJA TONEWORKS:
    • DIY Les Paul Wiring - ...
    Treble Bleed Installation from BREJA TONEWORKS::
    • Treble Bleed Options f...
    "Step-by-Step" Vintage 50's wiring for STRATOCASTERS (NO NEED FOR A TREBLE BLEED!)
    • 50's or Vintage Style ...
    ADDITIONAL mod for 50's strat (to add the BRIDGE tone control)
    • Bridge Tone Control fo...
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    TIMECODES:
    0:00 - Intro: Muddy / Wooly pickup example
    1:15 - Modern Wiring method overview
    8:01 - Modern wiring for finger comping
    9:37 - What is a Treble Bleed?
    10:36 - 50's Wiring Diagram SOURCE: • DIY Les Paul Wiring - ...
    11:18 - Treble Bleed method overview
    17:06 - 50's Wiring "Operation Table" observation B500K and A500K potentiometer tapers
    20:46 - A500K Taper - 50's wiring "Post-Surgery"Overview
    32:01 - B500K Taper - 50's wiring Overview
    35:44 - Sound Samples : Comparing the Wiring Methods
    38:44 - Final thoughts and Extra Tip (...at the end)

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  • @SubhadeepDas
    @SubhadeepDas หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This has got to be the best video showing this method. Hats off to you man! Thank you for making such a helpful video!

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the kind words, glad to hear that it actually helped someone

  • @RulgertGhostalker
    @RulgertGhostalker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    an "isolation transformer" ( 1: 1 transformer in an enclosure with IEC in and standard receptacle out ), is a good studio tool to get rid of ground loops.
    it doesn't have to be a giant one; just enough to handle your highest draw device is usually good, because it's mostly used for trouble shooting. ( but often stays connected in line )
    alternately, and less expensive, are cables with the shield lifted on one end. ( and labeled as lifted )

  • @Cryanoutloud
    @Cryanoutloud ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This has been the most helpful video on TH-cam about 50s/modern/treble bleed. I can really hear the difference ! Thx !

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Ryan! Thanks for your comment and sorry for the late reply. Whenever I get comments like yours, it always gives me joy to know that it could help someone. Thanks mate!

  • @andrewbecker3700
    @andrewbecker3700 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Solid feeling switches, jacks and pots that don't crackle and pop are a must. Soo many people struggle using warn out parts that only work or sound good in certain positions. The people who claim upgrading these parts is a waste of time are just being ignorant. Once you appreciate the difference, there's no turning back.

  • @greatvanzini
    @greatvanzini 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Tibor, thanks! I know more now than I knew,,,, for the last 5 or 6 decades.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha, I'm glad this was helpful! To me this was a HUGE revelation when I found this out, especially when rolling down the volume. This info took me ages to find, my good friend Aldo Spadaro showed me this. (Check his channel btw, he really know his stuff and is an awesome player).

  • @TiborRisko
    @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is probably a lesser-known "cure" for your "Muddy Pickup Blues", I prefer this over the Treble Bleed solution.

  • @jamalabdul2009
    @jamalabdul2009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for the deep dive into this method of wiring. I’ve heard about this wiring by accident going through TH-cam videos and I never really understood what the purpose of it was until this explanation. I really appreciate the explanation of the different types of pots and how differently they change the level of volume change. Great video Tibor!!! You are an invaluable source of guitar knowledge!! Take care and keep up the great videos!!🎸🎸🎸👍🏾

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey Jamal!!! Thanks for the kind words my friend, it was great hanging out with you guys the other day too! Yes, the 50's wiring was the original way Gibson used to wire their guitars up and this method is also there for strats and teles, the main idea behind it is to send the signal to the VOLUMe 1st and then to the tone. For me this was a game-changer

  • @andrewbecker3700
    @andrewbecker3700 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The taper of the pots is a mechanical constant that can react differently with various wiring and capacitors. When I hot rod my guitars, I try'n upgrade ALL the electronics at once to suite the purpose I'm after. I'd never buy pre-wired kits. They never have everything I want in them. Being able to customize my guitars is half the fun!

  • @alphanumeric1529
    @alphanumeric1529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And, this is crazy, the 50's wiring sounded darker than the modern wiring. Like the opposite of what you were trying to achieve.

  • @ILLGREEN1
    @ILLGREEN1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for this video. I use the modern wiring method mainly because it's perceived more louder to me. When I tried the '50s, it was low sounding. Maybe I should try it again. Also, when wiring more than one pickup, the middle Lug on the volume pots should be the input.😉

    • @shader26
      @shader26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I retired my Les Paul a few months back to 50’s wiring. I lived with it for a while to give it a chance, but in the end it didn’t work well for MY pickups. Could well work great on another guitar, I may try that but I didn’t like the sound (best I can describe, it sounded “flabby”) and I really didn’t like the interplay between vol and tone and that it was not predictable for me even after a long time playing how to set it. I’m going back to modern with treble bleed. Can’t find the original caps I had on there for treble bleed, but hoping to get back where it was. I find i have much more fine control.
      Did some research, and found on a few forums people experiencing the same as I did, that the 50’s wiring on their particular guitars didn’t work as advertised. They, and I, experienced loss of treble when turning down vol. Not drastic, but definitely there. I may also need to try to revoice my pickups with a vary small cap. May be my particular humbuckers need some help.

  • @marshallohio5512
    @marshallohio5512 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes to 50s ! I've 50s , Treble Bleeds, reverse volume connections on my inherited 68 Gibson 335 through EQ pedal decades ago ! Love it ! I'm old school jazz/ blues player ! Kept guitar's original wire harness intact in preference of making a new harness ! Nice explanation of components wiring functionality ! Linear pots ? Hmmm! Interesting ! That Roland Cube interesting! Nice guitar and pedal display !

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey sorry about the late reply, thanks for your comment. Good call on keeping the original wire harness intact, this way you can always put it back to the original wiring. Yes, I love the Roland Cube, especially these older ones from the 80's. I actually have 2 of them, sometimes I actually use them both together with a splitter. Thanks for your kind words hope you have a great 2023!

  • @darwinsaye
    @darwinsaye 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I used to always have to play my guitars with the volume and tone permanently set to 10 because of this. Now I do the 50s wiring to all my guitars and it's completely changed the way I play. I prefer leaving in my audio taper pots though. I like being able to clean up the signal with a little turn rather than having to wind it down to 2 or 3 to get fully clean.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey mk win! Thanks for the comment, sorry for the late reply. Yes, I agree with you 100%, it also completely changed the way I play too, I remember always looking for a way to improve the clean-up of the tone when turning the volume down as well as improving the high-end retention without the need for a treble bleed. I hear you on the audio taper, I guess it all boils down to personal preference. Keep well and keep playing music! All the best

  • @davebarone506
    @davebarone506 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    BTW, Tibor, I too like adjusting volume frequently while playing, however, most times I use a volume pedal rather than the volume pot, then you always get the full guitar sound.
    I've come to prefer wiring in the Volume pedal after the Distortion pedals and before the timed pedals ie. Chorus, Delay, Reverb.
    Try it.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the tip Dave, I actually do this sometimes when I use my GT8 live and then I set the expression pedal as a volume pedal.

  • @davebarone506
    @davebarone506 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes , I assembled a 92 LP Studio, with taper CTS taper pots, using a a vintage wiring scheme, was blown away by the openeness amd clarity.
    Seems like it would be a fairly simple, and less invasive mod for anyone wanting to change their existing setup. However I don't think it's possible if your guitar has a modern circuit board setup.

  • @helderfilho4724
    @helderfilho4724 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for your time doing all these comparisons!

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's an absolute pleasure my friend, thank you for your kind comment, I'm happy that it helps. Once you go 50's wiring, there is no turning back ;)

  • @RulgertGhostalker
    @RulgertGhostalker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    and yeah, the power conditioners sold for music gear have MOVs , and EMI / RFI filtering.
    also, there is no substitute for a good Isolated pedal power supply.

  • @EltonGoslettGuitar
    @EltonGoslettGuitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was surprised, in the comparison, by the difference between 50's and the Treble bleed wiring. More noticeable than I expected

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup, I was also pretty surprised by it. The treble bleed is a great mod, but I'd put my money on the 50"s method any day, it can increase noise coming from dirty power/neon lights though as more highs pass through.

  • @normrivers2857
    @normrivers2857 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    50's wiring also works with Fender guitars also. It makes quite a difference.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Norm Rivers! Thanks for your comment! Yes, I agree 100%, I have all my strat style guitars wired up with the 50's wiring. The only thing I find with it on a strat is that you cannot controll the tone if only the bridge pup is selected, but there is actually a great mod for this, just need to make an extra solder connection.

  • @dreamscuba
    @dreamscuba 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. I always thought that 50’s wiring was the same as treble bleed. Now I understand the difference. I have a Tele with a treble bleed and it thins out the sound when reducing the volume. I may try the 50’s wiring to reduce the thinning out. Thanks.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey dreamscuba, thanks for the comment, yes, I think the 50's wiring is the real deal, I have all of my axes wired up this way, even my strat, so I'm sure that the tele one will also work like a charm, I recommend checking out the breja toneworks channel, great source of info for schematics. You into scuba? I'm an amateur freediver myself :) Take care man and thanks again for commenting!

  • @sparkyguitar0058
    @sparkyguitar0058 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I redid my 97 L P studio I did 50's wiring w Garrett cloth wire. Got CTS 500K pots and. 011 caps to go with 496/500 pups. To get the most out of it IMHO.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the tip on the 011 caps, will try it on the next guitar I buy...even though I really should not buy any more guitars but hey.... ;)

    • @sparkyguitar0058
      @sparkyguitar0058 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TiborRisko I used. 011 cause I'm a Strat guy 1st. My current Strat I've had since 96. It's a 3 color L Sensor equipped deluxe plus and of course any Strat is going to be a little more trebley than a bucker. So my system on a whole is more trebley. Figured less adjustments when switching guitars. On a different note I way of electric/acoustic gets a really nice sound and guitar volume has a lot to do with it. I use the AKG bug wireless system on all my guitars and for the A/E set up receiver goes into a BBE Sonic Stomp mini and then into my own little Behringer 10 channel mixer then that signal gets sent to FOH. Or to my little 250 watt house P A. This way very little guitar volume and I feel it's like a miked acoustic sound but you can move around and sing or whatever. Got my AKG bug systems for about $75 average. Got my Behringer mixer $50. Got my BBE SS mini $60. And my E A guitars( 6 and 12 string) ain't worth $200. Yet my sound is awesome.

  • @philippgrunert8776
    @philippgrunert8776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, thank you. I will go for a 50's wiring in my first DIY guitar build for sure. Though I definitely prefer three logarithmic taper volume pot.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the comment Philipp! Hope it will work out well! Cheers!

  • @monstrord
    @monstrord 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey man, grettings from Brazil. I have the same problem with my les paul. My neck pick is very mud, even with 50wiring. There's a huge difference between neck and bridge. I took another solution that was changing the neck tone pot to a bass cut. Work's well but for high gain it kills a lot of sustain as the treeble bleed do too. Congratulations for your video man.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fala monstrord! Thanks for your comment my friend, greetings back from Hungary :) (I've been to Campinas, SP, Bertioga back in the day, amazing places!) Sorry to hear that about the pickup, maybe it's something to do with the pickup itself perhaps? I think at the end of the day, the most important thing is that you find a solucao that works the best for you. Sometimes the pickups are also quite mismatched. Also remember that if you raise the neck pup high, it will also increase the bass and vice versa if you lower it. Abraco!

    • @ILLGREEN1
      @ILLGREEN1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rewire all your volume pots. Use the middle Lug as the input and use Lug 3 as your output. Leave the ground wire alone. This will maintain the pickup's volume when both pickups are switched on.

    • @monstrord
      @monstrord 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ILLGREEN1 Its like the modern wiring I think. The problen isnt the volumes but the neck pickup lot of bass. I'm using the 50's wiring due the versatility when using the volume pot. But its a good tip to disconect the ground pot lug. I'll try

    • @ILLGREEN1
      @ILLGREEN1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@monstrord Cool! Not the ground, that can remain as is. I mean, only swap the wire from the input and the output.
      On a guitar with one pickup, you would usually solder a volume pot as follows: LUG 1-ground, LUG 2-output and LUG 3-input.
      But since you have 2 pickups, the above orientation will cause one pickup to short out the other. Though it will still work and some like it. But if you want both pickups on without any reduction in volume when switching them both on, then your volume pot should be soldered as follows: LUG 1-ground, LUG 2-input and LUG 3-output.
      In that orientation, the input is at the volume pot's wiper, so when it goes out into the output jack, your amp doesn't see it and both pickups don't short out the other.
      This orientation works with whatever wiring you prefer, it's just preventing one pickup from drowning out the other when both neck and bridge are switched and keeping the volumes constant.

    • @monstrord
      @monstrord 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ILLGREEN1 yeap, it's the independent and dependent volumes connection. I'm rewiring my second les paul with a new pickup set and I will take this one for independent volumes and modern wiring with adjustable treeble bleed. My first LP will maintain 50s wiring and dependent volume.

  • @MrArnoldarnold
    @MrArnoldarnold 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It has a vintage blues bite that wasn’t there before. I’m doing this to my custom thanks to your video. Great content. Sounds great. I hope you still have that guitar. Sounds phenomenal. Very Warren Haynesish.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Macon Music! Thanks for the comment. Glad that it helped you, yes I still have the guitar, it became my main instrument these past few months. Another interesting thing you can try with the 50's wiring is to just dial the volume back 1 notch, sounds even better IMO and then when you open the volume knob fully, it adds a slightly extra boost in the high frequencies.

    • @MrArnoldarnold
      @MrArnoldarnold 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TiborRisko Thank you for the tip! I’ll give it a try!

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrArnoldarnold Cool! R'nR!

  • @jeffbeck6501
    @jeffbeck6501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. The 50's style sounds better for sure.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind words Jeff! Glad you liked the video. Yes, I agree, I love the 50's wiring, I even have my strats wired up this way.

  • @freddiefreeman4119
    @freddiefreeman4119 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quite a dramatic improvement

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi freddie, thanks for your comment. It is isn't it? I remember the 1st time I tried it and I was blown away, but especially with the way overdriven tones clean up when rolling the volume back down.

  • @Tonetwisters
    @Tonetwisters ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bill Callaham used to make a real ABR-1 bridge made out of cold rolled steel; but those are unavailable anymore. Those bridges made a big difference in the dynamics of the sound coming off the guitar, thus making the pickups clearer. A real shame they have gone away ...

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I know what you mean, I also like the older "Harmonica" bridges and the older style Epiphone ones (the Korean ones from the Samick factory) I think my Washburn Hb35 was also made in the same factory in 1993 as it has the same bridge as my Epi Sheraton from 1996. They are cousins ;)

  • @AldoSpadaroOfficial
    @AldoSpadaroOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good stuff. What I also feel with 50's wiring is that it has a slightly more airy sound with the controls open. The only downside would be more prone to noise but who cares? It's about the character in the tone that 50's (correct) wiring provides to a player.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Aldo! I agree 100%. I also find that the other part of the secret are the B500K (linear) pots and not the A500k Audio/Logarithmic pots.

    • @philippgrunert8776
      @philippgrunert8776 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Theoretically I it should actually lower the noise floor. I read about it somewhere.

    • @timswanson9893
      @timswanson9893 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@philippgrunert8776 better grounding

  • @mikegamby
    @mikegamby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doing this mod on my PRS 594. So sick of the treble taking a nose dive when I turn the volume down. Thanks for the detailed comparison.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Mike! Sorry for the late reply! Glad to hear that you found the video useful, let me know how it goes in the ned, hope it really helps! There is also a "master volume - master tone" version of this mod. I'm also surprised that PRS have this same issue when turning down the volume...

    • @mikegamby
      @mikegamby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TiborRisko it's the S2 594. I don't remember the core models doing that. Anyway, I did the mod a few days ago and Im loving it.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikegamby Man, I'm so glad to hear that! I'm very happy that you found it useful, what I love about it the most is how much better overdrive cleans up when turning down, I also have this mod done on my 2 strats, I especially love it with my germanium based fuzz face. Rock on!

  • @jacobbishop620
    @jacobbishop620 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative & nice #Pantera & #Down riffs!!!

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the kind words Jacob! I hope this vid helped you.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I only saw your comment about the Pantera and Down riffs ;) Thanks for reminding me, I'm actually going to put on the Nola album while I cook dinner ;)

  • @paulj0557tonehead
    @paulj0557tonehead 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This awesome for any price Washburn HB35S has the *Buzz Feiten Tuning System*

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually this guitar is from 1993 and it does not have this system, I think they started using that a bit later on, but I agree, that system is great.

  • @DRMADist
    @DRMADist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sick video mate- spread the gospel of 50s wiring

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haha, thanks for the kind words, I do all the time, I often walk up to people in the subway and start with the line "....Hi....do you have a moment to talk about 50's wiring?....." ;)

    • @DRMADist
      @DRMADist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TiborRisko LMAO

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DRMADist ;)

  • @ing.eduardomunizrodriguez3554
    @ing.eduardomunizrodriguez3554 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great Video!!!

  • @thomaspodmore7424
    @thomaspodmore7424 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tasty playing as well as a great explanation

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the kind words Thomas, I hope the video helped and I'm glad you liked it. Busy filming another guitar lesson, I just wish the day had 28 hours :D So many things to do on the side, but luckily it's mostly music related. Take care.
      Cheers

  • @savionramsundar1935
    @savionramsundar1935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a VERY well put together video thanks

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad I could help, hope you find it useful. The 50's wiring opens up the guitar's "soul" and "voice" IMO...

  • @jackjr39
    @jackjr39 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice playing.great video.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind words Jack!

  • @justinpaquette224
    @justinpaquette224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I you no load tone pots on all my guitar. Would 50s wiring will tone at 9 save more treble than my no load pots at 10?

  • @daniellaudman8580
    @daniellaudman8580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Check out dimarzio custom taper pots as well

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Daniel, I always wondered if someone makes these, thanks for the tip.

  • @juanrodriguezluis4811
    @juanrodriguezluis4811 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing content, thanks so much!.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for your kind words Juan, I hope the information helped. Rock on!

  • @scottlaurenceguitarist
    @scottlaurenceguitarist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great review! Any prewired kits you recommend?

  • @capitanvonchickenpants8492
    @capitanvonchickenpants8492 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My les paul has a pcb with plugs on the pickup cable ends

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, that is a good question weather or not those are wired in the modern or 50's style schematic. I'm pretty sure Gibson do both, the question is: Which one is in your guitar.

  • @aaron9142
    @aaron9142 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about mud when you already have 50s wiring? The Slash APH-2 set in my 2019 Gibson Les Paul Standard 50s are incredibly dark and muddy. They sound pretty bad in most situations.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow, good question, are you sure that it is wired up in the 50's schematic? I've never tried a Slash set so I'm not sure if it is that muddy to begin with. Maybe test the set in another guitar that you wire up in the 50"s way?

  • @nasticanasta
    @nasticanasta ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been building repairing for 40 years... I never did it any other way.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wish I knew this trick before, it took me about 2 years to find a cure for the "muddy tone". I always thought that the treble bleed was the best solution, until I found this 50's wiring. ALL my guitars are wired like this now.

  • @macshock632
    @macshock632 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tks for the video. Great advice. One question. Did the tone knobs change behavior after switching to 50s wiring?

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry for the late reply! In a way yes, they become way more interactive. You can also play around with the Alpha vs Beta pots, say you but betas for the volume and alphas for the tone, or both beta etc... I have mine both Beta pots and they provide a more straight / linear curve and what also sounds amazing is if you turn the volume knob down just a bit.

  • @clemmcguinness1087
    @clemmcguinness1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like a different guitar almost. Nice

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Clem, thanks for the comment, yes, the 50's wiring method makes a huuuuge difference IMO. It definitely changed the way I wire my guitars, basically, all my axes are wired up this way. I highly recommend it.

    • @clemmcguinness1087
      @clemmcguinness1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where's my solder kit ....

  • @NicoBellisarioMusic
    @NicoBellisarioMusic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    guard off, :)

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hehe, I agree :) Thanks for the feedback Nico.

  • @scottbee501
    @scottbee501 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about the "Brown Box"? A voltage attenuator.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To the best of my knowledge that is mainly to create more "sag" or more gain "á la Van Halen", not sure if that helps clean up the tone when rolling the volume back, but I could be wrong as I've never tried one out. I do have an overdrive pedal that I use that emulates that tone (Brown Fox) I did a video on it using my strat, but I have another video in the pipeline using humbuckers.

    • @scottbee501
      @scottbee501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TiborRisko ok. I talked, briefly, to a guy that used one. He said voltage is inconsistent and the different voltages can affect the tube amp tone and a higher voltage can damage tubes over time.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@scottbee501 Thanks for the info my friend. To be honest, I hardly ever use tube amps, 99% of the time I use my trusty ol' 1982 Roland Cube 60 transistor amp with pedals and a Teal striped Peavey Bandit, but this is just a personal choice, not saying transistor is better than tubes or vice-versa, it's just what I've gotten used to over the years. But thanks for the info on the voltage attenuator, I've seen Johan Segeborn do a really video on it: th-cam.com/video/hinQPWiiwaI/w-d-xo.html

  • @ssplintergirl
    @ssplintergirl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In my opinion an equally good mod is just putting a higher value potentiometer in there. I put a 1M on a guitar with an unusably dark and quiet neck pick up and it immediately made it on par and almost better sounding than the bridge.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the tip, to be honest I've never tried any pots other than 250k and 500k. So this is a 1M pot using modern wiring method? Does it clean up well on an overdriven amp?

    • @ssplintergirl
      @ssplintergirl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@TiborRisko Yeah, my wiring scheme has the tone pot before the volume pot modern style. I followed the wiring diagram on Rickenbacker's website under the wiring diagrams section.
      The catch is when you roll the volume back you are not getting the "high pass" or "treble bump" effect that 50's wiring provides, you still have the modern "darkening" problem. However, if you are so inclined, you can wire a 1M 50's style and (I am pretty sure you would) obtain the same results, just with more treble at wide open, then dial back the tone pot if/as needed. Basically this set up gives you more flexibility.
      To summarize, a 1M pot gives you more treble (and a bit more output/volume) at 100%, but retains the modern functionality.
      It's worth mentioning that I only did this on my neck pick up, the hotter bridge still has a 500K and in my opinion is the perfect amount in terms of volume and treble balance for the two.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ssplintergirl Interesting, thanks for the info, I'll look for some 1M pots the next time I'll go to a guitar shop here in Budapest.

    • @ssplintergirl
      @ssplintergirl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TiborRisko I was never more surprised to see the prices on most "guitar electronics" compared with buying the same components from an electronics distributor. I recommend buying from an electronics supplier if you are able to, the price will be much better so you are more inclined to experiment with different ideas/circuits, but just make sure details like shaft type/diameter etc match up to hardware you have.
      If you make a video on it I am looking forward to seeing your thoughts and results!

  • @timswanson9893
    @timswanson9893 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not all "audio taper" ratios are the same. Some ratios are more likable to the ears than others. I like using the Bourns pro audio pots.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup, agreed 100%, I've experienced the same. Thanks for the tip on the Bourns pots, will have to look into them.

  • @waynewhittenberg3756
    @waynewhittenberg3756 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great info! Have you considered a noise gate pedal to filter out the electrical noise?

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Wayne, thanks for the tip, the thought did cross my mind, but I've actually played around with the power supply on my board (after watching a video from the ThatPedalShow channel called "That Pedal Show - How To Power Your Pedals Properly & The Legend Of VCPI" especially the part at 11:00) and it helped a lot as I do have a digital delay pedal on my board. But thanks for the tip man!

    • @alexl.8318
      @alexl.8318 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TiborRiskoпопробуй сменить положение конденсаторов.просто коснись их.если они припаяны правильно (orientation) они не должны шуметь.и ещё лучше чтобы корпус конденсатора был из металла.извини за то что пишу на моём родном языке)

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexl.8318 Спасибо за совет, попробую в следующий раз, когда буду менять струны на гитаре. Пишите на родном языке, могу перевести :) Мне всегда нравилось, как выглядят кириллические буквы, надо научиться их читать.

  • @F-MK96
    @F-MK96 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just did 50s wiring on my sg ( coming from gibson pcb board) so it was super muddy and had no character before at all with the board... I idd orange drop caps and cts 500k pots... Its a different guitar.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awesome! Glad to hear that! I really don't understand why they don't use this method in all their guitars to begin with :D Oh another great trick with the 50's wiring is to slightly roll the volume back (like 1 notch) and it gives the guitar even more character, this is esepcially great for jazz. Glad you are liking the 50's wiring, I wish you many hours of joyful playing! Thanks for your comment!

    • @F-MK96
      @F-MK96 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TiborRisko Yes believe it or not I didnt play it at all because the tone sucked and was totally not inspiring me haha but now i play it all the time together with my strat!
      And I think they place pcb boards because it is simply cheap! no manual labour just works straight away (good idea in theory to change your pickups as well but sound wise its not there)
      And do you by any chance know why they went from 50s to modern wiring it makes no sense and I dont know anybody who prefers to have a muddy tone?
      Great video and thank you :)

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@F-MK96 Thanks for the kind words. That's a really good question why they started with the modern wiring method :D It really is so much better to use the 50's one and it really does not require any more money to do it this way :D So I'm loss for words :D Maybe someone was hung-over when designing the wiring method? Who knows why? :D

  • @davidbeauvais1364
    @davidbeauvais1364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The noise you hate is largely running high gain through a hollow body haha.

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      :) That can actually be quite cool ;) But yes, in a live setting that can be quite annoying BUT there is a very cheap solution to that too = Just tape the f-holes with some see-through scotch tape. Works like a charm and cuts the feedback down by about 70%. Was actually thinking of making a video about that.

  • @martynrandall7652
    @martynrandall7652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really helpful video, I have a guitar with a p90 on the neck. Would the 50s wiring work on a p90?
    Cheers

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Martyn, thanks for the kind words, I'm happy it could help. Yes! The 50's wiring also works with P90's and other singe coils (all my strats are wired up this way) Hope it helps you, you'll never need a treble bleed again ;)

    • @louaguado995
      @louaguado995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Of course, p90's were made in the 50's. Most Juniors are wired 50's style

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@louaguado995 Yup.... I have a friend who has a Junior from 1959 and it has this wiring method.

  • @nefariouspreludev2.046
    @nefariouspreludev2.046 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nonchalantly insertes a Dimebag riff 😐...
    mhmm I see you.👋🤚🖖🤟🤘😎🤘

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hehe :D Damn it....I got caught ;) I just cannot hide my affection for Pantera and ol' Dime.

  • @lurklingX
    @lurklingX ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why, yes, it does indeed sound like this. 😂

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  ปีที่แล้ว

      :) Hope this info helps you solve this problem. If you want a quicker solution, the treble bleed is also a pretty handy solution as it is a lot quicker and simpler to install, but I personally prefer the 50's wiring. Hope this helps.

  • @avivpinto4013
    @avivpinto4013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ypu probably have lliniar pots and not the audio. That's why you don't experience graduate increase of tone and volume

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup, I've been using the ones with the "B" in front of the 500K and not the "A" and I really like it. I also like to roll the volume back a hair and it gives it a really nice tone too.

  • @alphanumeric1529
    @alphanumeric1529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't understand this idea of audio (logarithmic) versus linear taper. I understand it in practical effect, but I mean, in terms of mathematics and physics. I thought the volume of sound, in air, and in volts, is logarithmic. So, if the amplitude of sound, the volume, is logarithmic, using a log pot would give you a linear volume response... and using a linear pot would give you a logarithmic taper, as again, a linear resistance to a logarithmic phenomenon will yield a logarithmic curve...

    • @TiborRisko
      @TiborRisko  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, to be honest, I never really dove into the matematics / science behind it all, basically one has a big jump when turning it up and down and the other has a more gradual taper. Hope this helps you. R 'n R!

  • @trgrevolucije9
    @trgrevolucije9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    turn off the lights hahahahahahaha

  • @davidsigglekow1349
    @davidsigglekow1349 ปีที่แล้ว

    Off