I play rhythm in a country band, spending alot of time strumming a cleanish tone at lower volume. The treble bleed on my Tele Professional helps keep a chimy tone reminiscent of an acoustic. I simply roll up the volume for edge of breakup lead tones. I love it.
Came for the treble bleed... then listened in loop mode for the Eb6 in the bridge right before the chorus. The song stays simple, but man I love what you did with the harmony to spice it up!
I'm still torn between keeping my treble bleed in or getting it out again with my Strat... I'm observing that - the treble bleed (Kingman version) being in - the treble does indeed stay crisp when rolling off the volume (as it basically should), but the tone seems to lose its "fullness" in a signifcant way - i.e. it sounds like the treble then is almost overly present wereas there seems to be less mids and bass. Accordingly the sound on the whole becomes sort of thin and trebly as the volume is dialled back. This is not quite the way I was expecting it to be, but on the other hand it seems - in a general way - to emphasize the „wiryness“ you might associate with a Strat sound. I don't know if this is a known effect that should actually be expected but as I said in the beginning it makes me wonder if I should really keep the trebele bleed in...
Treble bleed is great for changing volume on stage without going muddy. BUT You may want to understand that it changes the signal to the amp SO you CAN back off and not go muddy but it won't clean up so well because it's still getting loads of top end gain. Backing off a T control kind-of defeats the object. That's why some fit them and then take them out again. It works really well if you like using a clean, clean sound. In other situations, you have to re-learn your settings and the very common setting of a "bit of gain that rolls off easily" doesn't work so well. Instead of mud you have filth. With Gibson style controls (2V, 2T), a number of wiring options can change things around and you can find one that suits. Fender-style (SCs) generally depend more on stomp boxes anyway so you can easily keep a clean rhythm setting without modding your guitar at all.
@@BuddaGuedes Yes, you've cracked it - "You and your rig". Finding the right values is always going to be trial and error. On some guitars that's easy and on others - not so much. Not many makers fit treble bleeds as standard and there are reasons for this. They are almost always found on re-issues of fifties vos models. The usual goal is to preserve the same sound as you back off the volume as you have at max volume by preserving the treble. It's a matter of finding the right value capacitor - trial and error. There isn't really any way to calculate this or ask someone else how they do it because it's reactive to your entire signal chain and how you usually dial it. That's why makers don't usually do it and haven't done since the fifties - when things changed. Prior to the 60s, all of it was clean sounds but then tube distortion got big, stomp boxes to emulate this at any volume entered the picture and solid-state amplification happened too. Treble bleeds became a mess and the priorities for the player changed too. Now we wanted gain for some bits of repertoire and clean for others. P/up switch, stomp box, two-channel amps - all these became solutions but backing off the volume always went muddy and a listen to 60s live recordings makes it pretty clear that live music to a largish audience always meant lots of distortion. The manned mixer desk at the back of the venue happened into the 70s because of this, along with stage monitoring becoming more sophisticated. The treble bleed vanished because it couldn't be calculated or judged as a "one size fits all" scenario outside of a clean, clean sound and everyone went dirty. Which is a load of trouble to say to anyone that a treble bleed will preserve the treble but it will preserve the same sound as max volume only if it's selected for your rig. If you change amp, settings or pedals, it will "act up" and no longer preserve that sound and you'll need to re-fit it. The usual way it acts up is by adding filth as you back off the volume but it can go the other way. Huge pain in the keister in a twin-channel amp set up because you won't get it right for both channels and the twin-channel amplifier already solves the very problem that the treble bleed addressed in its time. It's a matter of expectations. You need a sorted and stable rig and repertoire to make it work. Effectively, the treble bleed vanished at the end of the 50s because it's a huge pain in the botty for the mass market. As the man says, it's a tailored choice of capacitor values and it's a direct contradiction to the dosing of gain via the volume control which is the way things are configured today. It's very hard to have both gain and treble on a single control outside of super-clean - which nobody wants.
Difficult one to answer, i can see how a treble bleed would be useful, if you use volume as a boost like Angus Young, but its also nice to roll down and hear the natural change. I need 17 guitars to cover my options 🤔 ur intro was boss 👍
The value of the volume control is important for finding the value of treble bleed components. I use a1meg volume control and a .001mf cap and a220k resister in a Kinman circuit on my Telecaster with Fender Custom Shop Texas Specials Pickups. I use a 1meg volume control to retain the most of the tone of the 10.5k and 9.5k pickups with a 4 way switch for series wiring in the 4th position. That is what I like but experiment and find what works for you.
Great video Budda! I'm just beginning to experiment with bleed circuits. Prior to your videos and others like it, I just used whatever was pre-made, like the Kinman bleed circuit on the harness I bought through him years ago on my Strat. What about this for a possible answer: A set value treble bleed is never the perfect solution. To me it seems like retaining a degree of treble should be subtle. As I have read, using Kinman series circuit with a 1200pf cap / 130k resistor for 250k pot (220k for 500k pot) seems to be a decent circuit. But that is probably good for Vol pot at 9 or 8. At 7, instead of 130k for 250k pot, resistor should be more like 150k. At 6, 180k. At 5, 200k. If Vol pot was a dual gang pot, the lower Vol goes, the higher the resistance on the lower pot. (The lower pot, it seems, would need to be linear.) Let me know if that would work ...
Whoa Budda! I didn't know you could play the microphone so well too! Great subject. I was just wondering about this the other day for me 52 style tele because I often have the volume backed off a little...
Good video I just got a Kramer Barrette Special 2021 and changed out the volume pot cause it was a B500k and it should have been an audio pot. So I got the EVH 500k pot an and put the 0.048uf treble bleed that it came with on original pot an sounds awesome with it on. Glad to have seen this video was going to just leave it off but will keep the treble bleed on .
@@BuddaGuedes I added the 10A500k EVH pot and added a 0.22uf capacitor and raised the poles on the Humbucker and it now sounds like EVH and do u need treble bleed is more yeah an no depending on how u want the sound .
Awesome video topic Budda! I think I first heard about treble bleed from Dan Patlansky a couple of years ago and was kind of astounded that I had never heard of it before then. It can be a drastic difference and I can see why you'd want to have both options available at times.
Hey Budda!! You nailed it!!! Amazing explanation, I knew the treble bleed, I have it in all my guitars, but watching you is addictive with that intro songs specific for the topic!! And please, can you tell me which snare are you using? That snare sound is killer!!! Futone too!! 🎸💪💥
Wow I just got a guitar with treble bleed and it sound very bad with fuzz. Sounds great in every other application. Man o man I’m glad I saw this video. I was like how does this pickup sound so bad??? Hahha.
To my ears treble bleeds just don't sound natural. I also agree with others they can have issues with fuzz pedals but really it's just the unnatural sound to my ears that means they're not for me. But each to their own of course.
OMG the intro songs! Love it.
I can imagine the public in a concert singing this one's chorus.
This show is great and you made it even better. Thanks!
Thanks a lot. I’m good you like the new songs
same
I know this is an older video but Budda, gotta say, your vocals are amazing for real blues! Rock on friend! Love this channel.
Thanks a lot. If you like it listen to @buddapowerblues.
The intro songs have been unreal lately, all of them amazing, this one being no exception!
Thanks a lot
I think the Duncan is parallel and Kinman is series though.
PS great video. The intro alone is worth the thumbs up!
Thanks a lot!!
Yep
I was going to mention this. Heh
I play rhythm in a country band, spending alot of time strumming a cleanish tone at lower volume. The treble bleed on my Tele Professional helps keep a chimy tone reminiscent of an acoustic. I simply roll up the volume for edge of breakup lead tones. I love it.
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Just randomly write a hit song for a treble bleed.I seen it all now
😂😂😂
I can see Tedeschi Trucks Band rocking this song!!! I wasn’t expecting this. What a song!
Came for the treble bleed... then listened in loop mode for the Eb6 in the bridge right before the chorus. The song stays simple, but man I love what you did with the harmony to spice it up!
I'm still torn between keeping my treble bleed in or getting it out again with my Strat... I'm observing that - the treble bleed (Kingman version) being in - the treble does indeed stay crisp when rolling off the volume (as it basically should), but the tone seems to lose its "fullness" in a signifcant way - i.e. it sounds like the treble then is almost overly present wereas there seems to be less mids and bass. Accordingly the sound on the whole becomes sort of thin and trebly as the volume is dialled back. This is not quite the way I was expecting it to be, but on the other hand it seems - in a general way - to emphasize the „wiryness“ you might associate with a Strat sound.
I don't know if this is a known effect that should actually be expected but as I said in the beginning it makes me wonder if I should really keep the trebele bleed in...
I’m also not sure. That’s why I have the o pronoun on my signature guitar to use two treble bleed options or none at all
What a way to make a point , freaking awesome ! 👏👏👏
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Another high quality video, as always. Thanks again for sharing the knowledge, it helps a lot !
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Very useful. I started to use a fuzz and I will keep my strat without treble bleed. Thanks!😉
Great
Treble bleed is great for changing volume on stage without going muddy.
BUT
You may want to understand that it changes the signal to the amp SO you CAN back off and not go muddy but it won't clean up so well because it's still getting loads of top end gain. Backing off a T control kind-of defeats the object.
That's why some fit them and then take them out again. It works really well if you like using a clean, clean sound. In other situations, you have to re-learn your settings and the very common setting of a "bit of gain that rolls off easily" doesn't work so well. Instead of mud you have filth.
With Gibson style controls (2V, 2T), a number of wiring options can change things around and you can find one that suits. Fender-style (SCs) generally depend more on stomp boxes anyway so you can easily keep a clean rhythm setting without modding your guitar at all.
It’s not just a matter of whether you want a treble bleed it’s also what treble bleed values work for you and your rig
@@BuddaGuedes Yes, you've cracked it - "You and your rig". Finding the right values is always going to be trial and error. On some guitars that's easy and on others - not so much. Not many makers fit treble bleeds as standard and there are reasons for this. They are almost always found on re-issues of fifties vos models.
The usual goal is to preserve the same sound as you back off the volume as you have at max volume by preserving the treble. It's a matter of finding the right value capacitor - trial and error. There isn't really any way to calculate this or ask someone else how they do it because it's reactive to your entire signal chain and how you usually dial it. That's why makers don't usually do it and haven't done since the fifties - when things changed.
Prior to the 60s, all of it was clean sounds but then tube distortion got big, stomp boxes to emulate this at any volume entered the picture and solid-state amplification happened too.
Treble bleeds became a mess and the priorities for the player changed too. Now we wanted gain for some bits of repertoire and clean for others. P/up switch, stomp box, two-channel amps - all these became solutions but backing off the volume always went muddy and a listen to 60s live recordings makes it pretty clear that live music to a largish audience always meant lots of distortion. The manned mixer desk at the back of the venue happened into the 70s because of this, along with stage monitoring becoming more sophisticated.
The treble bleed vanished because it couldn't be calculated or judged as a "one size fits all" scenario outside of a clean, clean sound and everyone went dirty.
Which is a load of trouble to say to anyone that a treble bleed will preserve the treble but it will preserve the same sound as max volume only if it's selected for your rig. If you change amp, settings or pedals, it will "act up" and no longer preserve that sound and you'll need to re-fit it. The usual way it acts up is by adding filth as you back off the volume but it can go the other way. Huge pain in the keister in a twin-channel amp set up because you won't get it right for both channels and the twin-channel amplifier already solves the very problem that the treble bleed addressed in its time.
It's a matter of expectations. You need a sorted and stable rig and repertoire to make it work. Effectively, the treble bleed vanished at the end of the 50s because it's a huge pain in the botty for the mass market. As the man says, it's a tailored choice of capacitor values and it's a direct contradiction to the dosing of gain via the volume control which is the way things are configured today. It's very hard to have both gain and treble on a single control outside of super-clean - which nobody wants.
Difficult one to answer, i can see how a treble bleed would be useful, if you use volume as a boost like Angus Young, but its also nice to roll down and hear the natural change. I need 17 guitars to cover my options 🤔 ur intro was boss 👍
🙏🙏🙏🙏
The value of the volume control is important for finding the value of treble bleed components. I use a1meg volume control and a .001mf cap and a220k resister in a Kinman circuit on my Telecaster with Fender Custom Shop Texas Specials Pickups. I use a 1meg volume control to retain the most of the tone of the 10.5k and 9.5k pickups with a 4 way switch for series wiring in the 4th position. That is what I like but experiment and find what works for you.
And isn't that too trebly??
Loved the tune. Great videos, and goddamn, you are so likeable :)
Can clearly see the use of a switch between bleed and without.
Thanks a lot
Great video Budda! I'm just beginning to experiment with bleed circuits. Prior to your videos and others like it, I just used whatever was pre-made, like the Kinman bleed circuit on the harness I bought through him years ago on my Strat. What about this for a possible answer: A set value treble bleed is never the perfect solution. To me it seems like retaining a degree of treble should be subtle. As I have read, using Kinman series circuit with a 1200pf cap / 130k resistor for 250k pot (220k for 500k pot) seems to be a decent circuit. But that is probably good for Vol pot at 9 or 8.
At 7, instead of 130k for 250k pot, resistor should be more like 150k. At 6, 180k. At 5, 200k. If Vol pot was a dual gang pot, the lower Vol goes, the higher the resistance on the lower pot. (The lower pot, it seems, would need to be linear.) Let me know if that would work ...
Whoa Budda! I didn't know you could play the microphone so well too! Great subject. I was just wondering about this the other day for me 52 style tele because I often have the volume backed off a little...
Actually on my Tele I don’t need the Treble bleed
Excellent video. Very helpful. Thanx brother.
Great video! What tremolo system is on that guitar?
I heard this and subscribed without knowing anything about you. That was killer
Thanks a lot and welcome to the family
I love the songs at the beginnings mate. Awesome 😎 and of course the video. Great Budda.
Thanks a lot!!!
Great demo, you got me thinking I need a treble bleed now.
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Treble bleed switch. What a great Idea
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@@BuddaGuedes thanks man, I should make that switch being a part of my guitar
Great
Good video I just got a Kramer Barrette Special 2021 and changed out the volume pot cause it was a B500k and it should have been an audio pot. So I got the EVH 500k pot an and put the 0.048uf treble bleed that it came with on original pot an sounds awesome with it on. Glad to have seen this video was going to just leave it off but will keep the treble bleed on .
👌👌👌
@@BuddaGuedes I added the 10A500k EVH pot and added a 0.22uf capacitor and raised the poles on the Humbucker and it now sounds like EVH and do u need treble bleed is more yeah an no depending on how u want the sound .
Totally agree
Awesome video topic Budda! I think I first heard about treble bleed from Dan Patlansky a couple of years ago and was kind of astounded that I had never heard of it before then. It can be a drastic difference and I can see why you'd want to have both options available at times.
It’s so useful that I don’t know why it’s not that well known!!
@@BuddaGuedes Exactly! You'd think it would be common knowledge but it's definitely not.
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Just 20 seconds in and I hit that thumbs up! (I only wanted help in wiring my bootleg Les Paul!!)🤣
Eh! Eh! Thanks a lot
Are you still using 50's wiring on your LP?
Yes for sure
does a treble bled works to cut some extra low end in a guitar?
No it doesn’t. That’s a low cut . Watch my episode on a Jazzmaster ultra, where I did that mod
Awesome video and tone! What is the amp you used for the treble bleed section??
I don’t remember but it should be the Mesa Boogie lonestar
@@BuddaGuedes Thanks ! Would it have been through the 4x10 cab? 🤓
Yes definitely
You’re one talented guy!
Thanks a lot
Duncan mode is in Parallel, not series though.
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Great opening song Budda! :-)))
Thanks 🙏
sounds very beatles. very cool.
Thanks 🙏
Nice song. Have fun man !
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That guitar looks great!!
It’s really lovely
def noticed 🙏 thanks
What do you mean?
@@BuddaGuedes Noticed the difference between when the treble bleed was off and when it was on.
Now I get it!! 🙏
Hey Budda!! You nailed it!!! Amazing explanation, I knew the treble bleed, I have it in all my guitars, but watching you is addictive with that intro songs specific for the topic!! And please, can you tell me which snare are you using? That snare sound is killer!!! Futone too!! 🎸💪💥
Thanks a lot. As for the snare I’m using superior drummer 2 the leedy snare in the roots package.
Ok, thanks for the answer. I have SD3, I'll check it out!!
Great intro song!
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I dont use treble bleed because i use a lot of fuzzes. But its a cool mod, for shure.
You can control the excessive highs from using a treble bleed and a fuzz with the tone knob. It’s a thing I’ve recently discovered
Thanks for the vid! What guitar is that? It's looks awesome
It’s my signature guitar made by Futone
Hit the like at 2:44 🔥intro
Thanks
Fast forward 4: mins if you want the start of the treble bleed.
What an intro
Thanks a lot
Wow I just got a guitar with treble bleed and it sound very bad with fuzz. Sounds great in every other application. Man o man I’m glad I saw this video. I was like how does this pickup sound so bad??? Hahha.
Eh! Eh!
Reminds me of Audience "House on the Hill" great stuff
Thanks a lot
Duncan is parallel, kinman is series !!
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Series and parrellel mixed up in intro
Thanks
Treble bleed is all I need :D
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Its criminal how few views this vid has. Although the kinman and Duncan description are the wrong way round.
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The series parallel diagrams are the opposite of what was said.
The diagram is the correct. Maybe I mistaken it
To my ears treble bleeds just don't sound natural. I also agree with others they can have issues with fuzz pedals but really it's just the unnatural sound to my ears that means they're not for me. But each to their own of course.
I also feel they are not the perfect solution that’s why I have a non treble bleed option on my guitar too
You mixed up series and parallel 🙄
Ehh Eh!